[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 147 (2001), Part 3]
[Senate]
[Pages 4495-4497]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]



                           LEGISLATIVE ISSUES

  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. President, we have been consumed over the last week, 
and will be for the remainder of this week, with campaign finance 
reform, an issue that has been about for some time and has been 
stressed by a number of Members of the Senate. I have indicated before 
that, certainly, it is an important issue. However, it is time we 
complete that issue, as there are many others that probably are of more 
importance to most people than that of campaign finance reform. 
Nevertheless, that is the commitment.
  It has been an interesting debate. It will continue to be an 
interesting debate. I am hopeful we will come up with some kind of a 
proposition when it is over and not have wasted the entire 2 weeks 
discussing the various aspects of it.
  This evening we will hear the introduction of the Hagel proposal, of 
which I am an original cosponsor. It is an important issue to be 
debated, one that deals with campaign finance reform more clearly than 
does the floor bill, which is the McCain-Feingold approach. One has to 
make a decision as to whether or not they want the Federal Government 
to be managing elections or whether, under the Constitution, elections 
should be comprised primarily of freedom of speech and an opportunity 
for people to participate. In terms of elections, it would be wrong if 
we found ourselves in a position of seeking to limit the opportunities 
for people to express themselves.
  The Hagel bill, which he will discuss in great detail, deals with the 
most important aspect of campaign finance reform; that is, disclosure. 
Whenever dollars are given to a candidate for the purpose of election, 
they are disclosed, disclosed immediately so voters can then determine 
for themselves whether they think that is a legitimate expenditure or 
not.
  The bill also provides for an increase in the level of hard money 
that goes to candidates. That was set in law in the 1970s. It has not 
been changed since that time. Obviously, the amount of money 
represented in the 1970s through inflation is not nearly as expansive 
as it is today. It changes that. It also puts a limit on soft money.
  I am hopeful that when the bill comes forward we will be able to 
discuss an alternative which I believe is a more reasonable alternative 
than the one that has been discussed. Then we can move on to some items 
of dire importance: Obviously, taxes--giving people an opportunity to 
keep more of their own money. When we find American taxpayers paying 
more today than they have ever paid in history as a percentage of gross 
national product, paying more now than they did in World War II, that 
doesn't seem appropriate. Where should the money go? It should go back 
to the people who have paid it in.
  We will also be discussing the economy, an issue that needs to be 
talked about immediately. We will be talking about the opportunity of 
tax relief to assist in strengthening the economy. I am sure we will be 
talking more clearly about the idea of putting some money back into the 
economy more immediately, some $60 billion that is in surplus of this 
year's needs for the budget and could be placed back into the economy 
in some method or other.
  Those are topics that need to be debated.
  We say education is an issue that means more to people than any other 
individual subject. We ought to be talking about that. We ought to be 
talking about the Elementary and Secondary Education Act. We ought to 
be debating whether or not Federal dollars for education ought to be 
designated in terms of where they go by the Federal Government, or 
should they be sent to local and State governments to decide for 
themselves where their needs are.
  I am from Wyoming. Certainly, the needs in Chugwater, WY, are 
different from those in Pittsburgh, PA. We ought to have the 
opportunity and the flexibility to send those dollars there.
  Certainly, we need to be discussing preserving Social Security as we 
have in the past, making sure those dollars are there. We need to be 
talking about paying down the debt, which we have an opportunity to do 
now. We ought to be discussing doing something with health care to 
provide more availability for people all over the country.
  There are many topics we ought to be debating, and hopefully we will 
be able to move to those. One of them, of course, is energy and the 
environment. We now find ourselves in a position of facing great 
difficulty with energy, made more visible and accentuated by the 
problems existing in California.

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  The California problems are not necessarily typical of energy 
concerns throughout the country. Indeed, many of them have been brought 
on by some unusual efforts in terms of electric reregulation in which 
California chose to put limits on the cost of retail electricity but 
not wholesale. We can imagine that that is not a workable situation, 
and it has caused many problems, not only in California but throughout 
the West as well.
  We will be talking about energy, and we should be. Often when we 
discuss energy, we also have to talk about the environment, although 
the environment is an issue that we need to be concerned with all of 
the time, in my judgment. One of the reasons energy and the environment 
are of particular importance to me and to others in the West is the 
fact that the Federal Government is a principal owner of lands in the 
western United States.
  I brought this visual display to show what Federal land ownership is 
in each State. Most people are surprised by the percentage. In my State 
of Wyoming, nearly half of the land belongs to the Federal Government. 
Some States, of course, are even higher than that. In Alaska, almost 68 
percent of the land is owned by the Federal Government. In Nevada, 
almost 85 percent is owned by the Federal Government.
  So the kinds of regulations that are put into place, the kinds of 
issues that arise in terms of the environment and the usage of public 
lands, become very important to us. That, of course, is not the only 
aspect of the environment, but it is one that is very important and, 
frankly, quite difficult.
  The point I want to make is, as we go about a number of the problems 
that we have before us, and a number of the opportunities to solve 
them, unfortunately, we find ourselves with environmental groups and 
many Members of the Senate making the case, let's either protect the 
environment or ruin it by using it. I suggest to you that those are not 
the only two alternatives. You can access the lands; you can use the 
lands as multiple-use lands, yet continue to protect the environment.
  In Wyoming we think we have done that pretty well. We have had 
mining, oil production, hunting, fishing, and we have had access to the 
lands for more than 100 years now. We are pretty proud of the 
environment we have there. So this idea that is often out here that you 
have to choose between the opportunity to have multiple use and the 
opportunity to protect the environment is wrong.
  Certainly, protecting the resources is a high priority for most 
everyone. I happen to be chairman of the parks subcommittee. Certainly, 
regarding our national parks, the basic, No. 1 issue is to protect the 
resource and, 2, to let the owners, the American people, enjoy those 
resources. That is really the purpose of having a park.
  We find ourselves, from time to time, in conflict with that, in that 
protecting the resources, to some people, means we should not let 
anybody have access to enjoy those resources. One of the issues is to 
allow access. We have seen a great deal about that lately.
  One of the things that prompts me to visit about it this morning is, 
Members of this Senate have been, in the last few days, getting up and 
saying this administration is anti-environment because they have 
changed some of the regulations that were put in place in the last 
administration. Well, I think it was a legitimate, reasonable thing for 
a new administration to do, to look at those literally hundreds of 
regulations that were put in the day before the administration left, to 
see if indeed they are reasonable and consistent with the efforts of 
the new administration. I think that is not unusual at all.
  We also now have the issue of energy. Of course, much of the energy 
comes from land. Whether it be coal, oil, natural gas, hydro or water, 
it comes from various uses of the land. I think we find ourselves now 
with a real issue as to what is the best way to preserve the 
environment and to be able to meet the needs of domestic energy 
production. That is kind of where we are.
  The complaints about this administration are not valid. I think they 
are totally political, and we ought to really examine them in terms of 
where they are. One of the reasons we are having problems, of course, 
is that we have let ourselves, over the last year, go along without an 
energy policy, without a decision on a national level on what we want 
to do with respect to energy--what kinds of energy we want to promote. 
But more importantly, do we want to let ourselves get into the position 
of becoming totally dependent on foreign imports--in this case, OPEC? 
That is basically what we have allowed ourselves to do.
  The prediction is that we will have 60-percent dependency on foreign 
oil within the next couple of years. We are now 55- or 56-percent 
dependent. When OPEC decides, as they recently did, to reduce 
production, we find ourselves going to the gas pump with higher prices 
or, even worse, finding ourselves without the kind of energy we need to 
continue to have the economy that we have now and want to have in the 
future.
  So I think one of the things that is happening that is very helpful 
is that this administration, with the leadership of the President, has 
assigned Vice President Dick Cheney to a work group to define where we 
need to be in terms of energy and in terms of the economy in the 
future. They are due to have a report in about 6 weeks or a month from 
now which will put us in the position of having a national policy on 
energy for the first time in many years. Hopefully, that will give us 
some direction as to how we can resolve that.
  There are lots of alternatives, of course, in energy policy. We need 
to talk about the diversity of energy--not all natural gas. We also 
have coal, our largest resource. In the budget, we have some 
opportunities to research some more in coal, to make it a cleaner fuel 
so it is a fuel for stationary electric production. We can use 
something in hydro, one of the renewables that in the last 
administration there were efforts made to reduce, to tear down some of 
the dams that are there that provide those kinds of resources. So there 
are a lot of things that can be done.
  We are talking more about the opportunity for nuclear power, which is 
one of the cleanest opportunities for electric generation, of course. 
First of all, we need to find a place to store nuclear waste. We have 
been fighting over that for a number of years. We need to finally make 
a determination. Despite the fact that we have spent billions of 
dollars already at the Yucca Mountain storage site in Nevada, we 
haven't resolved that completely. There is an opportunity for 
renewables--sun and wind. We can do more with that. We need research to 
make those things more economical and more well placed.
  Also, of course, one of the things we need to do is look at ourselves 
in terms of conservation and areas where we can do a better job of 
using energy so that we can reduce demand, as demand continues to go 
up--in the case of California, very sharply--and production does not go 
up. You know you have a wreck coming when that sort of thing happens.
  So we are looking forward to that kind of an opportunity.
  Beyond that, of course, I suggest that all of us are in the position 
of wanting to protect the environment. Obviously, we want to protect 
our lands. We are very pleased with the lands. We have talked for a 
number of months now in Wyoming about what we want our State to look 
like in 15, 20 years. We called it Vision 20/20, which is an 
opportunity to get an idea where we want to go.
  One of the things we want to have, of course, is open space. That has 
been a very vital part of the West and of Wyoming. We also want to have 
fish and wildlife--again, a vital part of what we want to do. In order 
to do that, we have to protect the environment. We are prepared to do 
that, and, at the same time, we want to be able to produce many of the 
things that need to be done to provide power and energy for this 
country.
  We have recently heard--I am sorry to hear this--accusations that 
this administration is turning around some of the useful things that 
have been done over the last 8 years. I am here to tell you that not 
all those things have been based on facts. Not all of them have been 
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the administration is a ``charm offensive'' turned into a ``harm 
offensive'' is a ridiculous statement to make. It doesn't have any 
basis in fact at all.
  Talking about CO2, for example, CO2 was 
included in regulations put out just as this administration went out. 
CO2 is not included and identified as a pollutant. Do we 
want to work at doing something? Of course, we do. CO2 also 
has a lot to do with the ability to generate electricity. In the 
Agriculture Committee we are looking for tradeoffs, where you can use 
timber, grasslands to absorb CO2, and some of the things we 
can do there. But to suggest that is a terrific environmental problem 
is simply not supported by facts.
  The same thing is basically true of arsenic. The new Administrator of 
the EPA delayed the recommendations that were put in on arsenic. Why? 
Because there wasn't sufficient study, there weren't sufficient 
scientific bases. Furthermore, under the original plan, there were 
another 2 years to establish that level. She has assured that there 
will be a level. But this one was not scientifically put into place in 
terms of water projects for communities throughout the country.
  This idea that it is setting back 8 years of progress is ridiculous. 
We ought to be working together to find a way for our communities to 
have a good water supply and at the same time be affordable. I think we 
can do that.
  Another one of our friends said George Bush has declared war on the 
environment. That is a ridiculous idea. No one is declaring war on the 
environment. The environment is something all of us want to protect. 
The question is how do we do that and at the same time let people enjoy 
the resources.
  We have had an interesting debate about the roadless areas in the 
Federal lands of the West. The Forest Service put out a regulation on 
roadless areas. I happened to attend some of the meetings. They called 
for local meetings. Not even the local Forest Service people knew what 
they were talking about.
  We have national forest plans. New plans are developed every 10 
years. The Forest Service goes through a very complex system of setting 
up a forest plan designed to deal with forests differently because they 
are, indeed, different. This was an idea that came from the Department 
of Agriculture deciding that all forests should be dealt with in the 
same way.
  It does not work. It does not work that way. Do we want roads 
everywhere? Of course not, and there is no need to have them 
everywhere. But we do have to have some if people are going to have 
access. The environmentalists claim it is just the timber people. I 
heard from a lot of folks, including disabled veterans, who said: How 
are we going to enjoy these public lands if we don't have access to 
them?
  I agree with them. Limit the roads? Of course. Roadless does not seem 
to work.
  In Yellowstone Park, the people have an opportunity to see 
Yellowstone Park in the wintertime and they can see it with snow 
machines. The park did not manage them at all. They sat and watched it 
for years, and all of a sudden, they decided the parks cannot have this 
happen and wanted to discontinue allowing snow machines. We have 
suggested, rather than that, to take a look at those snow machines. Get 
EPA to do their job and set some standards for emissions and noise and 
then the park can say: Look, if you want to come to the park, you have 
to have a machine that meets these standards. It can be done, and the 
manufacturers say they can do it. It is a good idea. People can have 
access.
  Instead, this past administration said: We are tired of it; we are 
going to do away with it, without even making an effort. If there are 
too many there, manage them. They are talking now about west 
Yellowstone where too many of them pile up at the gate, and the park 
ranger is getting a sore throat, or something. We should not do that. 
There is a way to manage them.
  Agencies seem to have a hard time figuring out how to manage it. When 
there is a problem, everybody else manages it and changes it. We can do 
that. Access is something that I think is important.
  All I am suggesting and hoping is that this administration will seek 
some reasonable approaches to the things that need to be done.
  The Clean Water Act--do we like clean water? Of course, everybody 
likes clean water. This EPA last year came up with the clean water 
action plan that had about 100 different proposals in it, some of which 
were not authorized under the law, and sought to put those into place. 
This administration is taking another look at them and, indeed, they 
should. We can find ways to have clean water and allow the lands to be 
used.
  Those are the kinds of changes this administration is seeking to make 
that are being called ``a war on the environment.''
  I do not think we can come to reasonable decisions in this body if 
Members take far-end positions such as if you are for the environment, 
you cannot be for using it. That is what we find ourselves faced with. 
That is not a workable answer. I am hopeful we can move toward finding 
solutions that are, indeed, useful and at the same time, of course, 
protect the environment.
  Getting back to carbon monoxide, this was largely a product of the 
Kyoto agreement sometime back, signed by the United States as a treaty 
and brought to this body. We unanimously decided not to consider it. 
Now we find complaints because CO2 changes have been made 
and it was not even considered as part of the Kyoto agreement. Do we 
want to have clean air? Of course.
  These are some issues we need to look at in a balanced way, with good 
science and not just political decisions. We can consider ways to 
preserve those resources and at the same time utilize them.
  These are the issues which we ought to be talking about. I am 
distressed, frankly, when I hear on this floor statements such as 
``going from charm to harm''; ``going to destroy the environment''; 
``declared war on the environment.'' That is not a fair presentation. 
It is not a logical presentation. I hope we can, indeed, look at some 
responsible answers rather than looking for a political issue for the 
next election.
  Mr. President, I will shortly be joined by the Senator from Alaska. 
In the meantime, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.

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