[Congressional Record Volume 171, Number 180 (Wednesday, October 29, 2025)]
[Senate]
[Pages S7805-S7811]
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PROVIDING FOR CONGRESSIONAL DISAPPROVAL UNDER CHAPTER 8 OF TITLE 5,
UNITED STATES CODE, OF THE RULE SUBMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES FISH AND
WILDLIFE SERVICE RELATING TO ``RECORD OF DECISION FOR THE BARRED OWL
MANAGEMENT STRATEGY; WASHINGTON, OREGON, AND CALIFORNIA''--Motion to
Proceed
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, in a few minutes, we are going to vote on
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my resolution, pursuant to the Congressional Review Act, to overturn a
rule promulgated by the Federal Government, specifically, the
Department of the Interior. I can't think of a rule that better
demonstrates the arrogance, the hubris of the Federal administrative
State. It has to do with God's creatures. I talked about this
yesterday.
This is a barred owl, spelled B-A-R-R-E-D. This is a spotted owl.
They are both magnificent animals. If you ever studied them, they both
have very soulful eyes. They have incredibly--you probably never had an
opportunity to pet one, but they have incredibly soft feathers. They
are not enemies; they are cousins.
There are 19 species of owls in the United States. These two have
been around about 11,000 years. They are not enemies. They both hunt
mice and lizards and snakes and insects and mosquitoes. The barred owl
is slightly bigger than the spotted owl. The barred owl is a better
hunter. That is just the way God made them.
Now, the Department of the Interior--this started under President
Biden, but I don't want to mislead anyone. Secretary Burgum, our
current Secretary of the Interior, very much opposes my CRA and
supports this regulation I am trying to overturn.
What would the regulation do? Here is what it would do. The Federal
Government, as I said yesterday--it was true then and is true now--
which can't even deliver the mail when the stuff has an address right
on the front of it and, in particular, the Department of the Interior,
under President Biden and now under President Trump--as an aside, it is
very hard to piss off both the Biden administration and the Trump
administration, but I have managed to do that. That is OK. I think I am
right. The Department of the Interior is proposing to kill 453,000
barred owls. Kill them--mamas, daddies, babies. Why? To protect, they
say, the spotted owl.
You go: Whoa, why does a spotted owl need protecting from the barred
owl? They are cousins. They share the same habitat. Sometimes they have
sex. It is not unknown that a barred owl will marry a spotted owl. A
barred owl marries another barred owl for life, in fact, and sometimes
a barred owl will marry a spotted owl.
The barred owl doesn't eat the spotted owl. The barred owl doesn't
kill the spotted owl. But the barred owl is a better hunter. And the
Department of the Interior says because of that, they have to kill
453,000 barred owls to help the spotted owls. That is what the Federal
Government has come down to.
We now have DEI for owls. According to the Department of the
Interior: Bad owl; good owl. But we are not talking about an admission
to college. If you are on the wrong end of this DEI proposal, you don't
just not get--the owl doesn't not get admitted to college; the owl gets
killed.
I have been around a little while. I have seen a few vampire movies.
This isn't the first one of these, but this is one of the worst
examples I have ever seen of the arrogance and the hubris of the
Federal Government.
This is bone-deep, down-to-the-marrow stupid. Let me tell you why.
First of all, it is not going to work. The Federal Government is going
to send out a bunch of hunters. Here is one of their hunters. That is
what they will probably look like. They are going to send out a bunch
of hunters at night with flashlights and shotguns. Because the owls are
nocturnal, they live at night; they come out at night. They hide during
the day.
Both barred owls and spotted owls live about 40 feet up in the trees.
So they are going to send these cowboys out there with their little
lights and they are going to point up and they are supposed to shoot
the barred owl and not shoot the spotted owl.
Dream weaver. Dream weaver.
So to kill the barred owls, it is inevitable they are going to kill
some spotted owls.
No. 2, I have been all through the regulation. I see no indication
where using lead shot is prohibited. We changed the rules about using
lead versus steel shot because we realize how dangerous lead is. So
they are going to kill--if they use a lead shot, which is a lot cheaper
than steel shot--yes, they will kill some barred owls, and they will
also kill some spotted owls. They will also kill some eagles. They are
also going to kill a bunch of hawks, and they are going to kill a bunch
of other wildlife because they eat the lead and the lead kills them.
It is not going to work.
The third reason it is not going to work and what the Department of
the Interior won't tell you is that the barred owl, which is native to
the Eastern United States, started moving west into the jurisdiction of
the spotted owl about 100 years ago. It has been steadily moving west
because the old-growth forests, where the barred owl lived in the
Eastern United States, in northeastern Canada, was cut to make room for
people. So the barred owl started moving west, and now the barred owl
is in Washington and Oregon and Northern California and British
Columbia.
Once again, they don't eat each other. They don't kill each other.
But the spotted owl that the Department of the Interior says it has to
save was losing population well before the barred owl moved in. Do you
know why that is? Because what is happening in the West is the same
thing that was happening in the East. Because we gained population and
people moved to the suburbs, we reduced old-growth forests, which
reduces the habitat for both owls. I am not saying that we shouldn't
harvest trees appropriately. I am not saying that. We have also had
wildfires. That is what is damaging the spotted owl. It is not the
barred owl.
The final point is that this isn't going to work in that, unlike some
of the employees in the Department of the Interior, the barred owl
isn't stupid. Once you start shooting the barred owl, the barred owl is
just going to move on up to Canada. Then, as soon as the coast is
clear, the barred owl is going to come back, OK? So you are not going
to do anything to help the spotted owl.
The second reason that this regulation is bone-deep, down-to-the-
marrow stupid is that it is going to be expensive. In, I think, 2024,
the Department of the Interior issued a contract to kill, I think it
was, 1,500 barred owls. I don't know how they could do it. I don't know
how they had the authority, but they did it. That is the way the
bureaucracy works. They hired hunters. They paid them $3,000 a bird--
$3,000 a bird. So, if they went out at night with their little
flashlights, looking 40 feet up in the trees, and they killed a daddy
barred owl, they got $3,000. If they killed a mama barred owl, they got
$3,000. And if they killed a baby barred owl, they got another $3,000.
Do you know how they really hit the jackpot? It was when they would
catch a mama barred owl in her nest, protecting her baby chicks. With
one shotgun shell, you hit all three baby chicks. That is $9,000. That
is what we are going to use taxpayer money for.
Now, the Department of the Interior wants to send out these folks to
kill 453,000 barred owls at $3,000 a pop. That is $1.3 billion--not
million but billion dollars--to try to protect the spotted owl, not
because the spotted owl is hurting anybody, not because the barred owl
is hurting anybody. The barred owl is just a better hunter, and the
Department of the Interior will tell you that. The barred owl is
better. They both eat the same thing. They are better at catching prey,
and they think that is putting pressure on the spotted owl.
The spotted owl isn't on the endangered species list. If the spotted
owl is in such bad shape, why hasn't the Department of the Interior
moved to put the spotted owl on the endangered species list?
Do you know why? Because they can't, because they are not in danger.
The Department of the Interior likes to use the word ``threatened''--
``threatened,'' ``threatened.'' Well, hell, the zebras are threatened
by lions, but the Interior Department--at least not yet--isn't
suggesting we go kill all the lions because they eat zebras.
I don't want to mislead anyone. This regulation was promulgated under
President Biden, but Secretary Burgum, with whom I have spoken--I have
great respect for him--is adamant that this is a good rule and a good
regulation. In fact, he told me, as I mentioned yesterday, that by
opposing his idea, I was slandering the Trump administration. I am
slandering the Trump administration. No, sir, I am trying to help the
Trump administration. I am trying to save the Department of the
Interior and the Secretary from himself.
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In a rare moment of candor, let me tell you what one employee from
the Department of the Interior said to a reporter. He probably got
fired for it, but this is what he said, and he was--and is--a Fish and
Wildlife employee and expert.
He said:
I think all we can really do is try our best to provide a
habitat for spotted owls, and in the long run, we are just
going to have to let the two species work it out.
The final point I will make, and what aggravates me the most about
this, is I know the employees at the Department of the Interior are
smart and virtuous. I know they are smarter and more virtuous than me.
But who appointed them God? Who appointed them Pope?
Animals migrate all the time. It happens all the time, not just
mammals but all animals. They move location.
So we are going to be in the business of telling animals: Well, you
can live here, but you can't live there.
We are also going to be in the business of choosing which owls can
live and which owls can die.
I am going to end like I ended yesterday. This is my advice to my
friends at the Department of the Interior, and I don't mean any
disrespect in saying it: Life is hard. Life is very, very hard, but it
is a lot harder when you are stupid. This regulation is stupid, and we
will live to regret it, just like China, back when Mao, during the
Great Leap Forward, issued a decree--in his arrogance and in his
hubris--to kill all the sparrows in China. And they did, just like we
are going to kill all the owls. Two million of the Chinese people died.
That is what happens when you mess with God and Mother Nature. As a
result, they had to import sparrows. We will end up, someday, if they
do this, having to import barred owls. We will regret it.
I don't know, Mr. President, what I am supposed to say next to start
the vote, but I am ready.
Here it is.
Motion to Proceed
Mr. President, I move to proceed to Calendar No. 190, S.J. Res. 69.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Banks). The clerk will report the joint
resolution by title.
The bill clerk read as follows:
Motion to proceed to Calendar No. 190, S.J. Res. 69,
providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of
title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the
United States Fish and Wildlife Service relating to ``Record
of Decision for the Barred Owl Management Strategy;
Washington, Oregon, and California''.
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the rollcall
vote begin immediately.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Vote on Motion
The question is on agreeing to the motion.
Mr. KENNEDY. I ask for the yeas and nays.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second?
There appears to be a sufficient second.
The clerk will call the roll.
The bill clerk called the roll.
Mr. BARRASSO. The following Senators are necessarily absent: the
Senator from Mississippi (Mrs. Hyde-Smith) and the Senator from
Mississippi (Mr. Wicker).
Mr. DURBIN. I announce that the Senator from Arizona (Mr. Gallego) is
necessarily absent.
The result was announced--yeas 25, nays 72, as follows:
[Rollcall Vote No. 597 Leg.]
YEAS--25
Blackburn
Booker
Britt
Cassidy
Collins
Cramer
Cruz
Ernst
Gillibrand
Grassley
Hagerty
Hoeven
Johnson
Kennedy
Lankford
Marshall
McCormick
Moody
Moran
Murkowski
Paul
Sanders
Scott (FL)
Scott (SC)
Tuberville
NAYS--72
Alsobrooks
Baldwin
Banks
Barrasso
Bennet
Blumenthal
Blunt Rochester
Boozman
Budd
Cantwell
Capito
Coons
Cornyn
Cortez Masto
Cotton
Crapo
Curtis
Daines
Duckworth
Durbin
Fetterman
Fischer
Graham
Hassan
Hawley
Heinrich
Hickenlooper
Hirono
Husted
Justice
Kaine
Kelly
Kim
King
Klobuchar
Lee
Lujan
Lummis
Markey
McConnell
Merkley
Moreno
Mullin
Murphy
Murray
Ossoff
Padilla
Peters
Reed
Ricketts
Risch
Rosen
Rounds
Schatz
Schiff
Schmitt
Schumer
Shaheen
Sheehy
Slotkin
Smith
Sullivan
Thune
Tillis
Van Hollen
Warner
Warnock
Warren
Welch
Whitehouse
Wyden
Young
NOT VOTING--3
Gallego
Hyde-Smith
Wicker
The motion was rejected.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Democratic leader.
Unanimous Consent Request--S. 3071
Mr. SCHUMER. Mr. President, in a few minutes, my good colleague from
New Mexico Senator Lujan will be offering a unanimous consent request,
and I want to thank him for his extraordinary leadership on the issue
of SNAP, leading the way on an urgent issue for millions of Americans.
Now, right now, we are facing down two crises at once: a healthcare
crisis and a hunger crisis, and both are caused by and intensified by
one man and one man only: Donald Trump.
We are now 3 days away from open enrollment, and now, for the first
time in history, a President is refusing to fund SNAP during a
shutdown; 42 million Americans--young children who need food, veterans
who might have PTSD and need help, senior citizens who rely on SNAP to
help feed themselves, and so many others--people who are out of work
because they lost their jobs through no fault of their own--need SNAP.
Why are we not doing it? Not because the money is gone; it is there.
Not because it is not permitted; it is legal. But because Donald Trump
ordered it stopped. It falls on his shoulders.
Let's be clear: This does not need to happen. Never before under any
President, Republican or Democrat, has SNAP been cut off during a
shutdown. We are not talking about--we are talking, with the shutdown,
we all know our position. We need a negotiation, but this SNAP doesn't
have to happen in any case and only because Donald Trump is doing it,
and the Republican leadership goes along with Donald Trump to let SNAP
expire.
Trump did this once before. In 2019, he funded SNAP during his last
shutdown. Back then, Trump kept SNAP funded. This time, he is
deliberately pulling the plug, even though in September he said he
would fund it and could fund it, independent of any shutdown.
Trump is weaponizing hunger. He is using kids and parents as pawns.
Donald Trump is a vindictive politician and a heartless man.
Just a few weeks ago, Trump's own USDA confirmed it had $6 billion in
emergency funds to keep food and aid following. When asked about SNAP,
Trump assured everyone it will be fine; he said it.
Then suddenly, last Friday, Trump ordered USDA to delete the plan,
take it off their website, and refuse to use the money. No reason. No
explanation. Just cruelty. Two-thirds of SNAP recipients are kids,
seniors, or people with disabilities. That is whom Trump is cutting
off: kids who rely on school meals, seniors on fixed incomes, veterans
trying to get by, families trying to get groceries. That is the real-
world consequence of Trump's decision.
And while he is manufacturing two crises here at home, where is his
focus? Overseas, on a ballroom, on sending $40 billion to Argentina.
There is money for Argentina but not for SNAP? And the Argentina
money far exceeds the money needed for SNAP by at least a whole month.
Every President before, Democrat and Republican, has used the same
funds to keep families fed. Trump could fix this today with one stroke
of his pen. We don't have to wait; we don't have to discuss; we don't
have to deliberate.
Let's be clear: Republicans have been on a crusade against SNAP all
year. They have slashed it by a historic $200 billion this summer in
their so-called Big Beautiful Bill to pay for tax cuts for
billionaires. And now they are doubling down, using the shutdown to
devastate families and leave kids hungry.
It is heartless; it is cynical; and it is wrong. Well, Senate
Democrats are not waiting, and that is why I am so grateful for Senator
Lujan.
In a few minutes, we will force a vote to avert this avoidable
crisis. I thank Senator Lujan. I thank him for championing the Keep
SNAP and WIC Funded Act, which will make sure that 42 million Americans
don't lose their benefits. It will make sure 7 million moms
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and babies on WIC aren't left behind. It is simple. It is moral. It is
urgent.
If the other side wouldn't block it, I bet you it would pass
overwhelmingly.
There is another bill by Senator Hawley a Republican, conservative. I
believe it has 11 Republican cosponsors already. It is another bill
that could pass. It doesn't have WIC, but it does have SNAP.
Democrats are ready to do what every President in American history
has done except for Trump; avert this problem. We are willing to work
with anyone to get this bill on the floor and stop this cruelty.
But right now, unfortunately, Senate Republicans are frozen,
paralyzed by fear or cynicism, while enabling Trump to use millions of
hungry Americans as political hostages. Senate Republicans should let
this bill pass.
Mr. President, I yield to Senator Lujan for the unanimous consent
request.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Mexico.
Mr. LUJAN. Mr. President, I rise today to ask my colleagues to pass
my Keep SNAP and WIC Funded Act of 2025, which has the backing of the
entire Democratic caucus--the Democratic Members of this Senate.
Now, we all know access to food is a human right. It is that simple.
And we are all fortunate enough to live in the United States of
America, a nation that is rich; it is abundant. A nation that is rich
in agricultural tradition can be abundant in harvest.
Now, in a nation blessed with such abundance, allowing our fellow
Americans to go hungry is, sadly, right now, a policy decision--I would
argue a political decision, not a financial necessity.
Now, the Trump administration has yet again made the decision--made
the choice--to allow our fellow Americans to go hungry. Now, let's be
clear: The only way to ensure the SNAP benefits are issued by November
1 is for the Trump administration to release the billions of dollars it
has sitting in an account in USDA that Congress appropriated, Democrats
and Republicans working together to appropriate, to use for this
purpose.
As a matter of fact, never in the history of the United States has
SNAP been allowed to lapse like this. As a matter a fact, during
President Trump's first term, Secretary Purdue, President Trump, they
tapped the same fund to allow SNAP benefits to continue to roll.
Now, President Trump says that the use of SNAP contingency funds is
illegal. Well, here is the document that was taken down from the USDA
website that was up just days ago. He decided to take this down and now
even the Speaker of the House is lying to the American people saying
that it is not allowed.
President Trump found $40 billion in U.S. taxpayer dollars to send to
his political allies in Argentina just last week. But when it comes to
feeding our own--our own people here in the United States of America--
he refuses to act.
Back home in New Mexico, one in five people rely on SNAP. They aren't
strangers. They are neighbors, coworkers, friends, children, people I
go to church with. They are the folks we say hello to at the grocery
store or at a Little League game.
President Trump's refusal to release SNAP funding doesn't just impact
New Mexico. States like Louisiana, where Speaker Johnson is from, are
facing the same crisis. Louisiana is third on the list of constituents
that will be negatively impacted.
Now, I have been fortunate enough to visit several food banks across
New Mexico and meet with community members who are working around the
clock to make sure neighbors have something to eat.
To every one of our community members who have stepped up, I want to
say thank you--not just across New Mexico but across America. I am
proud to represent a community that takes care of each other when times
are tough.
It shouldn't have to be this way.
Since the creation of SNAP, there has never been a lapse--there has
never been a lapse in SNAP funding during a government shutdown. The
Trump administration has the authority and the funds to keep SNAP
running during this shutdown. Don't take my word for it. Look at the
USDA's own guidance that they removed from their website that justifies
this.
Any failure to do so right now falls squarely on the Trump
administration and Republicans. We could vote on this today, on this
bill or one that Senator Hawley has authored as well that has many
Republican colleagues that are cosponsors, to prevent a hunger crisis.
This pain does not need to happen. President Trump is choosing to
inflict pain on American families by holding meals hostage. That is why
I am leading this legislation to ensure that no child, parent, or
veteran misses a meal because of the Republican shutdown.
It also says that if States or Tribal governments are in a position
right now to fund SNAP programs, that they do get reimbursed, unlike
what President Trump has been threatening them--that they will not. We
cannot stand by and let our neighbors go hungry.
So I urge my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, and I appreciate
everyone that has reached out to my office to have a conversation about
this piece of legislation. I hope we can work together and find a path
forward.
I urge my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to come together to
pass this bill now and fund SNAP and fund WIC before this hunger crisis
hits our communities.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to
immediate consideration of S. 3071, introduced earlier today; that the
bill be considered read three times and passed; and that the motion to
reconsider be considered made and laid upon the table.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there an objection?
The majority leader.
Mr. THUNE. Mr. President, reserving the right to object, let me just
point out, if I might, that we are 29 days into a Democrat shutdown.
And the Senator from New Mexico is absolutely right--SNAP recipients
shouldn't go without food. People should be getting paid in this
country. We have tried to do that 13 times, and you voted no 13 times.
This isn't a political game. These are real people's lives that we
are talking about. And you all just figured out 29 days in that, oh,
there might be some consequences. There are people running out of
money. Yeah, we are 29 days in, and they have done their best to make
sure that a lot of these programs are funded, but at some point, the
government runs out of money.
Thirteen times people over here voted to fund SNAP. Thirteen times
they voted to fund WIC. My aching back. Finally realized this thing has
consequences.
Well, you know what, what Democrats are doing here--they are making
plans to keep the shutdown going, and they realize all of a sudden, 29
days in, that this is a real consequence, real-life pain for American
families--something that results from their shutdown.
So are they making plans to end the shutdown and reopen the
government? Nope. They are going to propose a bill to fund food stamps
during their shutdown. This request is a transparent admission that
Democrats want to keep the shutdown--for what? Another month? Longer?
This bill is a cynical attempt to buy political cover for Democrats to
allow them to carry on their government shutdown for the long term.
Now, I will point out that we did 13 short-term, clean CRs when they
had the majority, and President Biden was in the White House--13. They
have now voted 13 times against a clean CR.
I have no idea where you are coming from.
The Democrat leader said that President Trump could end this with a
stroke of his pen, and he is right. We pass that bill, and with a
stroke of his pen, he will sign it into law, and the government opens
up, and SNAP beneficiaries, SNAP recipients get food assistance. But do
you know what else? TSA workers get paid, air traffic controllers get
paid, Border Patrol agents get paid, and troops get paid. These people
here get paid who are working without pay. Do you want to extend that
and keep that going? Give me a break.
So the people who aren't going to get the benefit of what they are
trying to do today are all the other programs that are affected: Head
Start; grants to law enforcement to fight fentanyl and hire more cops
to protect communities;
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rural development programs that are important in my State and the
Senator from New Mexico's State, I assume; as well to support housing,
utilities, and infrastructure projects in rural communities; small
business loans; certain direct loan and emergency programs that farmers
rely on; National Guard training critical to our Nation's military
readiness; veterans' transition assistance as they come out of service;
veterans cemetery services. Right now, there are no headstones,
memorial certificates, or cemetery maintenance.
Programs that are at risk: rental and housing assistance; delays in
processing FHA-insured loans; delays in aircraft inspections and
maintenance for air traffic control equipment.
People that are currently not getting paid: I mentioned some of them
but air traffic controllers; TSA officers; Capitol Police; the people
who protect us in this building; NOAA employees who are tracking
hurricanes and other potential weather disruptions and disasters; food
inspectors; other food and drug safety officials; mine safety
inspectors.
People who don't have pay certainty right now: troops; Coast Guard;
ICE; Border Patrol; Federal law enforcement; Federal wildland
firefighters.
Extenders that have lapsed: telehealth and at-home care; community
health centers; teaching health centers; special diabetes programs;
payments for ambulances, hospital at-home services.
Other lapsed authorizations: CISA to prevent against cyber attacks;
National Flood Insurance Program to prevent closure on homes in flood
zones.
That is what you are leaving on the table. The bill at the desk takes
care of all of it--funds SNAP, funds WIC. And, yes, with the stroke of
the President's pen, he can sign it into law, and everybody starts
getting paid again.
This has got to stop. Hostage taking. Now you want some political
cover. How long is this going to go on? How much longer do you want to
see it go on, just out of curiosity? So you think this buys some time.
You want the shutdown to go on for another month, and then we are going
to have other people come down here: Well, let's carve this out or
carve this out. Why don't we just open the government?
I have never seen anything like this. I have been here a good amount
of time. I have seen continuing resolutions and appropriations problems
and funding fights and government shutdowns. I have been through a few,
but I have never seen anything like this. This just isn't done.
You want to have a discussion about healthcare? Absolutely. Let's do
it. Open the government. Let's do it. The President will sit down with
Democrats next week if you want to talk about healthcare.
That is not what this is about.
So we are not going to pick winners and losers. It is time to fund
everybody who is experiencing the pain from this shutdown. If the
Democrats really want to fund SNAP and WIC, I have a bill for them
sitting right there at the desk--a clean, nonpartisan CR to fund SNAP,
WIC, and the entire government, and all the many programs and people
that the Democrat SNAP bill completely ignores.
Democrats have spent a month--a month now--playing with people's
livelihoods because the far-left wing of their party won't let them
accept a clean, nonpartisan CR. If they want to prevent damage from
their shutdown, they can end the shutdown. The bill is right here at
the desk.
Mr. President, I ask that the Senator from New Mexico modify his
request so that the Senate can proceed to the immediate consideration
of Calendar No. 168, H.R. 5371; that the bill be considered read a
third time and passed; and that the motion to reconsider be considered
made and laid upon the table.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator so modify his request?
The Senator from New Mexico.
Mr. LUJAN. Mr. President, reserving the right to object, I respect
the majority leader, the Republican leader. I see some of his staff in
the room as well, people that I have worked with. They know when I work
with them and when others don't. But I understand the words that were
being used today to spin an argument as to why there should be
justification for 40 million people to go hungry.
You know, I get in trouble sometimes because I use language from the
little farm that I still call home, but I have learned the rules of
decorum on the Senate floor, so I won't use them today. But some of the
lessons my father taught me early in my life, even after I was elected
to the U.S. House of Representatives, when he would leave a shovel by
the front door when I would go home on the weekends, and he would leave
my rubber boots there to make sure I put them on because we were going
to go clean the barn.
We raised cattle. We raised sheep. We raised all kinds of animals.
After those animals eat, they make something. Some of us use it to
fertilize our land; some people call it manure. I won't refer to it as
the language that I usually call it when I am not on the Senate floor.
I also thought it was important to tell people the truth and be
honest with the American people. What the good leader left out when he
was talking about the number of votes that Republicans voted on under a
Democratic President, under a Democratic majority in the Senate and in
the House, was that there was not a shutdown. We negotiated.
People came to me--as a matter of fact, a lot of my Democratic
constituents told me: Democrats gave way too much to those Republicans
when you were in the majority.
Well, when you have to negotiate, when you hold power, when you are
in the majority, you meet people. You pull them in. You don't tell
folks: You know where my office is.
You all have heard me talk about the late Governor Bruce King, cattle
farmer out of New Mexico. He used to tell us: When people can't figure
out what is going on, you lock them up in a barn, and you don't let
them out until they figure out how to get along.
Well, we don't have a barn. Maybe they have an office around here to
send some people. There is a White House. It is easy to get in--there
is a big hole in it. Invite some people over there to sit down.
President Trump said not long ago that if there is a shutdown, it is
up to the President to bring people together to prevent it, and if
there is a shutdown, it does not bode well for the President of the
United States of America. He is absolutely right.
It is not just a Democratic bill to fund SNAP that is on the floor
today; there is a pending bill that has been introduced into the U.S.
Senate that has 11 Republicans that are cosigners, including the
Republican who authored it, a colleague out of Missouri. He doesn't
want his folks to go hungry, and he said: Enough of this nonsense.
Let's have a bill on the floor.
Give him a UC. If you don't want to give the Democratic bill a
unanimous consent, give the Republican-authored bill a unanimous
consent. I am a cosponsor of that one, too, because I am willing to
work with folks. You all know that. You all know that.
Look, days before Americans start receiving notices that healthcare
premiums are about to skyrocket, as the Trump administration moves to
cut off SNAP benefits, this dysfunction is what the American people
have come to expect from Republican majorities in the Congress and the
White House.
I appreciate my colleague saying the blame is on our side of the
aisle, but we are in the majority--oh, not yet. Maybe soon. We are in
the minority.
With power comes responsibility. Republicans are in the majority in
the Senate--fact. Republicans are in the majority in the House of
Representatives--fact. Donald Trump, the President of the United
States, is a Republican--fact. It cannot be refuted. They are in
charge. The American people know that.
So just as a reminder, SNAP has never not been funded when there have
been shutdowns in the past, including in President Donald Trump's first
term. And even under President Trump's second term, he tapped a billion
of the $6 billion to pay for staff to administer SNAP. They did it.
Now they want to take down policy from a website that says that they
can justify doing this, showing the law. That is the nonsense. That is
the garbage the American people are tired of--the political this, the
political jostling, all of that.
We have got people that are going to go hungry. This has never
happened before, you all. There is a better way to do that.
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So, Mr. President, in response to the request from the majority
leader--the Republican leader--on behalf of constituents from South
Dakota, constituents from New Mexico that don't--do not, so that I am
clear; sometimes people confuse my New Mexico accent--that do not want
to see their health premiums double and triple and bankrupt them--and
some people that can't afford to get insurance won't be as lucky as me,
where I survived a stroke 3 years ago.
By the way, this is what a stroke survivor looks like, if you get
access to a doctor. You don't have to worry about going bankrupt if you
can't pay the bills. This is what you can look like. You can get
better. And in America, we should strive for that.
So, again, on behalf of constituents from South Dakota that don't--do
not--want to see health premiums double and triple, on behalf of my New
Mexico constituents that do not want to see health premiums double or
triple, I will not modify my request.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The objection to the modification is heard.
Is there an objection to the original request?
The majority leader.
Mr. THUNE. Mr. President, I regret the fact that the Senator from New
Mexico and his Democrat colleagues are unwilling to modify his request
to include keeping the government open.
And I would say--a rhetorical question to my colleague from New
Mexico: If the government reopens, do SNAP beneficiaries get paid?
Yeah. Right? So do WIC beneficiaries, veterans, low-income elderly
people, people who need this assistance.
It is not like you are doing anything here that isn't accomplished by
reopening the government and paying everybody else, and you guys know
that.
There are a lot of people, today, who aren't getting paid. Last
Friday, Federal employees didn't get paid for the first time. I should
say air traffic controllers didn't get paid for the first time. And it
only worsens over time.
And so I would be more than willing--and have said this multiple
times, as you all know--to sit down, get a group together, and talk
about healthcare.
We think that ObamaCare and, particularly, the enhanced subsidies,
are in desperate need of reform. There is no income cap. There is no
asset test. People are making 500, 600 grand a year and getting
subsidies from the Federal Government for their healthcare.
There are zero-dollar premiums. There are millions of Americans who
don't even know they have coverage because the way that program is
structured, the payments go directly to the insurance companies.
Insurance companies are out there auto-enrolling people and making
bank. A lot of people don't even know they have insurance coverage.
So this program is desperately in need of reform. The waste, fraud,
and abuse in this program has kind of gotten to an epic level, because
if you look at what has happened since 2013, when the exchanges went
online, insurance premiums in the individual marketplace on the
exchanges have gone up 221 percent. I mean, you tell me anyplace else
in the economy that goes up 221 percent in that amount of time. It is
going up double-digits every year.
In the employer market, it would be 6 to 7 percent.
So it is a program that is fundamentally in need of change and
reform. It is unsustainable, and it is unaffordable. And to give you an
example of that, doing the very thing you are talking about, which is
included in your bill, which was offered as an alternative to the
Republican proposal--the clean Republican proposal that simply opens
the government--the proposal included in your bill is a $400 billion
item, a cost to the taxpayers.
And so we are willing to sit down and see--and I have said, on behalf
of the President, as well, that he is willing to sit down--and talk
about how we can reform and make healthcare in this country more
affordable and less inflationary, because this program is inflationary.
It is going up every year.
Now, you all are going to blame the doing away with the Biden bonus
payments in that legislation for the increase. But the fact of the
matter is, that will be a very small part of that because of the way
the program is structured in the first place. There is no incentive to
constrain or control costs.
So let's have that conversation. I have said that. We can sit down
and do it.
But as many of you have said--and there are quotes out there from all
of you--from all of you: In previous shutdowns, or when there are
fights over a continuing resolution, you can't negotiate when you have
a gun to your head.
The Democrat leader said that.
And so let's just get beyond this silliness and fund the government
and make sure that SNAP recipients and WIC recipients and recipients of
other government programs, which I mentioned--it is a long list, which
isn't covered by your bill, by the way--that those people and those
programs also get taken care of. We have a chance to do that.
And we actually have a chance, I think, to have a normal
appropriations process, where we move bills across the floor, open them
up to the amendment process--something that hasn't been done here in a
while. We can do that.
I want to start now, but it starts when we open up the government. So
let's just do what normal people would do.
And the Senator from New Mexico is right. I represent a lot of hard-
working Americans--farmers, ranchers, small business people,
schoolteachers, educators. My dad and mom were educators. And I just
think that there are a lot of people out there who look at this and
say: This doesn't make any sense to me. If they want to talk about
healthcare, then let's do that. But why take the Federal Government
hostage and every Federal employee--including everybody in this room
that is not getting paid--that isn't covered by the bill that you are
putting forward. The bill that does cover everybody is the one right
there, which we have now voted on 13 times.
Just a few of you decide to vote differently. Let's get on
appropriations bills and start funding the government the old-fashioned
way.
I am for that. I think everybody over here is up for that. I know the
chair of our Appropriations Committee, Susan Collins, and most of the
appropriators have worked together in a constructive way, in a
bipartisan way, to get bills to the floor that we can consider. But, so
far, everything we have tried to do here, at least in the last few
weeks, has been blocked, including getting on the Defense
appropriations bill and going to conference on three bills we have
already passed.
So as much as I appreciate what the Senator from New Mexico is trying
to do here, and he is not--I don't question his intentions. I think he
is sincere. But I also think that this is missing the larger point
here, and that is, this government is closed. And what you are trying
to do and accomplish here is make it harder, not easier, to get the
government opened up again and to make sure everybody else gets paid.
So, Mr. President, I object.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The objection is heard.
The Senator from Washington.
Healthcare
Mrs. MURRAY. Mr. President, I want to thank the Senator from New
Mexico for coming out here and making it very clear who we are fighting
for. And it really is Americans across this country, who are seeing
their costs skyrocket across the board. And, as Democrats, we want to
make sure that, yes, they are paid, but they also have the ability to
get their healthcare.
I heard the majority leader just now say they are not going to
operate with a gun to their head. I would say to the majority party
that the gun to the head is to all these people who are opening up
their healthcare notices this week and are finding out that their costs
are skyrocketing. Why? Because what the Republicans have said--and just
said again--is that they want to talk about it. Talking about it is
going to do absolutely nothing for those people who are getting those
bills and those payments today.
So I wanted to come to the floor today and talk about that. And I
would say to my Republican colleagues: Yeah, we all want to have
bipartisan bills. We want to work on bipartisan appropriations.
But what we have in front of us is a CR that is partisan, that says:
Do it my way or the highway, and do not discuss the priorities of the
Democrats.
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When you are asking us for votes--when you are asking for Democratic
votes--you can't just demand whatever you want and say: If you don't do
it, then we are going to sit here--which is what the Republicans have
done.
I would ask the Republican leader, as I have done so many times: Talk
to the Democratic leader. Bring the President in the room.
I have been here many, many times when we have had to find a way out
of a challenging situation. And you know who has always been at the
table? The President, the majority leader, and the Speaker of the
House, and the minority leaders--on both sides of the aisle. And that
has not happened yet.
And that is why we are sitting where we are, where, today, my
constituents who are hurting are saying to me: Where are the
Republicans, and why are they not talking to you about how we solve
this issue?
The majority leader said: Well, there are problems with it.
They could have done this months ago. And they say: Oh, now, we can
open up the government, and we will talk about it.
What does ``talk about it'' do to my constituents? Because, last
week, window shopping for next year's health plans actually started in
my home State, and, this week, open enrollment begins nationwide. I am
hearing from families in my State today who are panicked.
While Republicans are refusing to act on this and saying they are
going to talk about it, their premiums--their family's premiums--are
going through the roof, and their healthcare coverage is slipping out
of reach.
There are so many stories. I have talked to small business owners. I
have talked to patients, and I have talked to parents. And I have
lifted up their concerns here on the Senate floor, and I am going to
keep doing everything I can to shout out these stories from the
rooftops, because, right now, Republicans are doing everything they can
to ignore this and to say: Deal with it later.
And what is ``later''? Well, later never comes.
Why do I know that? Because we brought up this issue, time and time
again, throughout the summer, when the Republicans were giving away tax
breaks to billionaires, and saying: This is an issue that is
confronting us.
And it was ``later'' then. It is ``later'' now, and ``later'' is way
too late.
There are many stories about this, too awful to ignore, and there are
millions of families that are facing absolutely catastrophic price
increases. I have heard from seniors whose premiums are increasing
eightfold.
So in order to make the scope and scale of the problem that
Republicans want to ignore and talk about later, I thought I would
share a list--just the top lines--of what I am hearing from my
constituents about how their healthcare costs are going to skyrocket if
Republicans refuse to work with us, or even talk to us, about this
issue and help us find a solution so we can all move on by saving the
healthcare tax credits.
I am going to share some of those stores today.
There is Kathleen. She lives in Bellingham. Now, if Republicans
refuse to act, she is going to see her monthly premium triple.
Sharon, in Thurston County, in my State--if Republicans refuse to
act, her premium is going to double, increasing by over $100 a month.
And we are just getting started, because if Republicans refuse to
act, Nanette in Tumwater and Stacya in Seattle are both going to see
their premiums increase by $400 a month--not a year, a month.
If Republicans refuse to act, Leslie's husband in Brewster is going
to see his premiums increase by $780 a month. Tom will see his premiums
increase by over $800 a month. Jennifer will see her premium go up by
at least $890 a month.
And, I have to emphasize, we are talking about families, seniors,
small business owners, people who cannot afford that kind of increase.
And yet if Republicans refuse to act, Jason in Seattle is going to
see his premium increase by over $900 a month; Maya in Woodinville,
$1,000 more a month. I can't even imagine that.
But if you think that is outrageous, well, Republicans don't think it
is worth talking about--or talk about it later, when it is way too
late, or pretend that they are going to do something about it, but not
really.
Talk about a gun to their head, if we do not act, Diane in Wenatchee
is going to see her premium increase by over $1,400 a month.
Leighann told me $1,500 a month that her premium will increase;
Terry, a $1,600-a-month increase; and the Banergee family told me they
are going to see their premium go up by more than $1,600 every single
month.
The Republican plan: talk about it; do nothing. For all of us who
have been here, we have been waiting for the plan for a long time and
have never seen it--have never seen it. It is always just a plan.
Rebecca in Seattle will see her premium increase by more than $1,700
a month.
By the way, that plan is not in writing. It is a thought in
somebody's head that has never been told to anybody. What do we have
here today? Republican silence.
James and his wife are going to see their premium go up by a
completely unreasonable $1,800 a month. Damian said his is going to go
up $2,000 a month. Why? Because Republicans are refusing to act. That
is whom we are fighting for here today.
I could go on and on, but those cases I just told you about all came
from Washington State. That is a drop in the bucket. There are several
million more examples just like this in red States across the country.
Bob in Idaho told me his premium will jump by nearly $1,900 a month;
Nancy in Florida, $1,000 a month; Cheri in Tennessee will see her
monthly costs go from $10 to $1,140.
I mean, we could do this all day. Yet Republicans can't be bothered
to do it at all. These are their constituents. Nearly 4 million people
in Texas rely on these tax credits. Republicans don't want to save over
4 million in Florida.
The increases they are going to face are unthinkable. In five
States--all red States--families who rely on these tax credits are
going to see prices more than quadruple. That is on average.
It is unthinkable, it is unconscionable, and totally untethered from
reality for Republican leaders to think they can just ignore this
tsunami or this price hike.
So I say to my Republican friends: You have to get your heads out of
the sand. This is a real problem for families. Later is way too late,
and I don't think it exists.
The majority leader just said that families don't know that they get
this. There is something wrong with that? They find out that their
healthcare--that they are being helped by their neighbors and their
friends and the people in this country who say it is important for all
of us to make sure our healthcare premiums are lowered? I would say to
my Republican colleagues: Listen to your constituents. It is their
health. It is their lives. They are telling you that. They want action.
Open enrollment for this country starts Saturday. The time to act is
now. So I hope they start listening.
Please join us at a negotiating table, not out here on the floor just
throwing things around. Join us. The majority leader can call the
minority leader and the President and get them in the room, which is
what we always do when we have a challenge in front of us. That has not
happened. That is unconscionable because people in this country are
hurting.
I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Vermont.
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