[Congressional Record Volume 171, Number 123 (Thursday, July 17, 2025)]
[House]
[Pages H3451-H3461]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
RELATING TO CONSIDERATION OF THE SENATE AMENDMENT TO H.R. 4,
RESCISSIONS ACT OF 2025
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call
up House Resolution 590 and ask for its immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:
H. Res. 590
Resolved, That upon adoption of this resolution, the House
shall be considered to have taken from the Speaker's table
the bill (H.R. 4) to rescind certain budget authority
proposed to be rescinded in special messages transmitted to
the Congress by the President on June 3, 2025, in accordance
with section 1012(a) of the Congressional Budget and
Impoundment Control Act of 1974, with the Senate amendment
thereto, and to have concurred in the Senate amendment.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentlewoman from North Carolina is
recognized for 1 hour.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the
customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr.
McGovern), pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume.
During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the
purpose of debate only.
General Leave
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may
have 5 legislative days to revise and extend their remarks.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentlewoman from North Carolina?
There was no objection.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the rule and of the
underlying legislation. This evening, the Rules Committee met and
produced a rule, House Resolution 590, providing for the House's
consideration of the Senate amendment to H.R. 4, the Rescissions Act of
2025. Passage of this Rule will send H.R. 4 directly to the President's
desk.
Mr. Speaker, if you told the American people that wasteful spending
overtook Washington during the Biden-Harris administration, they would
not be surprised. Their jaws would not drop, and their pupils would not
dilate in utter shock.
The American people saw the fiscal ruin that was created by the
previous administration. That is why they overwhelmingly chose
Republicans to lead the Nation and restore fiscal sanity. That
restoration is here, Mr. Speaker. H.R. 4 is part of our efforts to get
Washington's fiscal house in order.
H.R. 4 rescinds $9 billion in spending that the President has
identified as wasteful and unnecessary. As I said in the Rules
Committee, it is unfortunate that the Senate was not able to execute
all of President Trump's recommended rescissions. That said, there are
many pertinent rescissions that remain, and they are very impactful.
Now, our Democrat colleagues will scoff and say that this $9 billion
we are clawing back is a drop in the bucket; that it is merely peanuts.
That is where they are wrong, Mr. Speaker. The thing is that in their
arguments against H.R. 4, Democrats can only grasp at straws. Their
positions are weak, and their claims are even weaker. They will talk in
circles and just bloviate. In the end, they simply don't make any
points that are worth remembering. They will rail against H.R. 4 so
much that they say absolutely nothing.
Here is the truth. If this rescissions package was not put forth and
passed by Congress, taxpayer dollars would still be funneled to
ideologues at PBS and NPR and taxpayer dollars would continue to be
funneled to all manner of foreign aid repositories that do not align
with the fiscal sensibilities and values of the American people. That
money, the people's money, would continue to be squandered. That is the
truth of the matter.
Republicans understand that $1 of taxpayer money wasted is $1 too
many. We must pass this rescissions package and send it to the
President so that we can continue our work and continue to secure wins
for the American people.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman from North
Carolina for yielding me the customary 30 minutes, and I yield myself
such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, this process sucks. None of what we are doing here today
is about governing. We aren't here to improve healthcare access or to
put money back in hardworking people's pockets or to make life better
for Americans or, for that matter, anybody in any way.
We are here because Republicans want to protect powerful people. They
want to protect billionaires and protect those at the top. It is about
doing Donald Trump's bidding. Shame on them.
Earlier this week, I offered a simple amendment to release the
Epstein files that Donald Trump, his AG, his FBI director, and his
supporters tell us contain a list of clients of Jeffrey Epstein. Let
the American people make up their own mind. But Republicans voted it
down, every single one of them. Why? Because Donald Trump, for whatever
reason, doesn't want these records to get out anymore.
After years of promising America that his administration would
release the Epstein files and tapes, Trump is now calling it a hoax. He
is calling his own supporters stupid for believing the things he told
them, and you are deeming adoption of a bullshit resolution on Epstein
that does nothing.
Let me be clear. This resolution does not have the force of law. This
does not have the force of law. It is political theater. It is a
smokescreen for Republicans to hide from doing something that would
demand Trump's DOJ release of these files.
This is a glorified press release, a talking point to save face,
something they can wave around and say: See, we care, so they can walk
free of shame while doing absolutely nothing.
{time} 2210
This nonbinding resolution does nothing to get these files released.
Mr. Speaker, when we asked them when this nonbinding, useless
resolution is coming to the House floor, the answer was, well, it is up
to the majority leader.
Mr. Speaker, either Republicans want to actually release the files,
or they don't. There is no middle ground here.
Republicans don't get credit for pretending to care. They don't get
points for playing PR games while the people who enabled Epstein's
abuse go unnamed and unpunished.
This is why people hate Congress. This is why they don't trust
government.
Republicans talk about supporting the victims. They talk about
holding
[[Page H3452]]
powerful people accountable, but it is lipservice. When the time comes
to do something, they come up with a phony, fake vote to give
themselves political cover, which brings me to this rescissions
package, Mr. Speaker, another disaster, fiscal irresponsibility
masquerading as cuts.
The other side just added $4 trillion to the debt with their big,
ugly, billionaire-tax-break bill. The big, ugly bill costs 450 times
what these rescissions will save. It doesn't even come close.
Mr. Speaker, I should mention that these rescissions are also deeply
harmful. It cuts funding for international aid that provides lifesaving
healthcare. People are going to die because of these cuts. It
undermines Ukraine and our allies. It slashes public broadcasting that
delivers essential news to communities nationwide.
Republicans call it tightening the belt, but it is the same old
story. Republicans blow up the budget for billionaires, and then they
nickel and dime everyone else to pretend that they care about the debt
and the deficit. It is nuts.
If we were all being honest here, nobody even truly knows exactly
what the hell is in this bill. As Senator Tillis, a Republican, said:
``I suspect we're going to find out there are some things that we're
going to regret.''
Susan Collins, another Republican, said: ``The rescissions package
has a big problem--nobody really knows what program reductions are in
it.''
You can't make this stuff up.
Finally, let's not forget that the Trump administration, as we speak,
is illegally withholding over $425 billion in congressionally approved
funding while Republicans in Congress rush to get these rescissions
done, covering for the President once again, afraid to raise an eyebrow
to question what he is doing.
This is not how this place should work. None of what we have
experienced with this majority is normal. This is government by chaos,
run by a party that can't count its own votes, can't pass its own
rules, and can't stand up to the White House after all of their broken
promises.
This week has been shameful. People are watching. They see what is
happening, and they are tired of being sold out, spun, and left behind.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Members are reminded to avoid using
profanity while speaking on the House floor.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from
Florida (Mr. Bean).
Mr. BEAN of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I thank Chair Foxx for yielding to
me.
Mr. Speaker, we all know what Neil Armstrong said when he first
walked on the Moon. As founder of the DOGE Caucus, I am proud to say
that, with this rescissions package, the first of its kind in 25 years,
we are taking one small step to cut wasteful spending but one giant
leap toward fiscal sanity. Yet, Houston, we have a problem. We are
still $37 trillion in debt. This year alone, we will run a $1.7
trillion deficit. With this small step today, let's commit to the giant
leap.
Here is my challenge to the White House: Let's do a rescissions
package every month because America has had enough--enough to wasteful
spending, enough to out-of-control deficits.
We do have a long journey ahead, but, thankfully, not as far as the
Moon. All systems are go. Let the countdown begin, and let's launch to
fiscal sanity by voting ``yes'' to clawing back $9 billion.
I am ready. The House is ready. America is ready. Let's go get `em.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman is concerned about unchecked
deficits and debt. He just voted for a bill to add $4 trillion to the
debt. Come on. Give me a break.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from New York (Mr.
Jeffries), the Democratic leader.
Mr. JEFFRIES. Mr. Speaker, I thank the distinguished gentleman, the
top Democrat on the Committee on Rules, Mr. McGovern, for his
leadership and for yielding.
I thank all the distinguished members of the Committee on Rules for
their steadfast, courageous, and insightful participation in opposition
to this rule and the substantive legislation that underlies this
particular rule.
I also thank Rosa DeLauro for her principled and strong opposition to
this reckless Republican rescissions package, this effort by the Trump
administration to, once again, hurt everyday Americans.
Mr. Speaker, it was just said on the House floor that the American
people are fed up with out-of-control, wasteful government spending. As
Democrats, we are committed to making sure that taxpayer dollars are
spent in an effective, efficient, and equitable manner.
This bill that is on the floor right now has nothing to do with
waste, fraud, and abuse. It represents an attack on the public health
of the American people, the national security of the American people,
the public safety of the American people, and the ability of the
American people to actually get information, particularly in rural
America, that they may need through public radio or public television
in the face of an emergency.
Mr. Speaker, no one is buying the notion that Republicans are
actually trying to improve wasteful spending.
In the aftermath of this one big, ugly bill that just passed this
Chamber and has been signed into law that explodes the debt by more
than $3 trillion, and then asks everyday Americans to pay for part of
the expenses in the bill by ripping away healthcare for more than 17
million Americans, hospitals will close, nursing homes will shut down,
and community-based health clinics will be unable to provide services
to everyday Americans. As a result of the one big, ugly bill, people
will die.
It is an all-out assault on healthcare and the largest cut to
Medicaid in American history. It also rips food out of the mouths of
hungry children, seniors, and veterans. All of this is being done to
provide massive tax breaks to billionaires.
Then, Mr. Speaker, in this one big, ugly bill that has now been
signed into law, the debt and the deficit will explode by trillions of
dollars.
How dare anyone from the other side of the aisle claim to be the
party of fiscal responsibility. That is fake, and that is phony.
When you look at this particular piece of legislation that is in
front of us right now, this reckless Republican rescissions package, it
undermines American national security and American leadership in the
world.
This is not an America First bill. It is a China first bill because
of the void that is being created all across the world. It is in
America's interests, our national security interests and our leadership
interests, to make sure that we are investing in development,
diplomacy, and democracy all across the world.
Great leaders have recognized that throughout the American journey.
It was Abraham Lincoln who came to the House Chamber in the middle of
the Civil War, in the early 1860s, and spoke to the Congress and talked
about America being ``the last best hope on Earth.''
President Lincoln said that in the 1860s, a visionary declaration of
the role that America might one day play as the leader of the free
world.
This legislation, this reckless Republican rescissions package,
undermines our ability to keep our people safe here and to project
America's soft power all over the globe.
{time} 2220
Mr. Speaker, why would we undermine our ability to use diplomacy,
democracy, and development to protect our own national security?
The President promised that on day one he was going to end the war in
Ukraine that is now going on. In this particular piece of legislation,
we are undermining the ability of Ukraine to continue to valiantly
fight against Russian aggression.
Russia is not our friend. They are our enemy. Vladimir Putin is a
sworn enemy of the United States of America.
Mr. Speaker, why is it Republicans in this bill are once again
undermining Ukraine?
Ukraine stands on the side of democracy. Ukraine stands on the side
of freedom. Ukraine stands on the side of truth. Russia stands on the
side of autocracy, tyranny, and propaganda.
Why would we stand on the side of Russia? That is inconsistent with
American leadership. This reckless Republican rescissions package does
the exact opposite.
[[Page H3453]]
Mr. Speaker, we just saw tragedy unfold in the Texas Hill Country.
More than two dozen children have died. Parents should never have to
bury their children. More than 100 Texans died in the deadly floods.
There are a lot of questions that need to be asked about government
failure and State government failure in Texas. The Governor of Texas
has a lot of questions that need to be answered. Instead, he is trying
to rig the Texas congressional map in the middle of a search and rescue
operation. He has got to answer some questions.
The Trump administration needs to answer some questions about the
National Weather Service and the devastating cuts that have been
inflicted on them. Mr. Speaker, the Trump administration needs to
answer some questions about the stated goal to defund FEMA.
In the midst of this tragedy that we all need to collectively respond
to in Texas, just as we needed to respond to the tragedy that unfolded
in California and the wildfires earlier this year, this reckless
Republican rescissions package is going to undermine the ability of
people in rural America and in small-town American to receive advance
warning or necessary information when disaster strikes, when extreme
weather strikes, when flooding strikes, and when hurricanes strike.
That is what happens when public radio is shut down and public
television is shut down, which is what this reckless rescissions
package will do. It is all extraordinary.
Mr. Speaker, I don't understand why Republicans continue to advance
legislation on the floor of the House of Representatives that hurt
everyday Americans. Is it simply because the goal is, as always, to
reward billionaires, as was done with the one big, ugly bill, providing
them with massive and unnecessary tax breaks?
Mr. Speaker, at the beginning of this Congress, as House Democrats,
we made it clear that we would work with anyone in this town in order
to make life better for the American people. We would work to lower the
high cost of living of the American people and to address the
affordability crisis afflicting the American people.
We thought perhaps we would have some partners in this necessary
endeavor. Why? Mr. Speaker, Donald Trump and House Republicans promised
that they were going to lower costs. In fact, costs were going to go
down on day one. Those are not my words. Those are President Trump's
words.
Costs haven't gone down in the United States of America. Costs are
going up. Inflation is on the way up. Life is getting more expensive
for the American people.
Nothing in this reckless rescissions package is going to make life
more affordable for everyday Americans. It is going to complicate their
life even further just like what happened with the one big, ugly bill.
Mr. Speaker, we are strongly opposed to this legislation. This is
legislation that apparently Republicans don't even want to actually
debate on the House floor. Once again, they want to address an issue to
be debated in this Chamber under the cover of darkness.
Finally, Mr. Speaker, the challenge that we have with this
legislation is that the appropriations process has historically and
traditionally been bipartisan. It means Democrats and Republicans will
work and try to come together to reach a spending agreement that meets
the needs of the American people in terms of their health, their
safety, and their economic well-being. House Democrats and Senate
Democrats, along with House Republicans and Senate Republicans, will do
it in a bipartisan appropriations process to try to reach an
enlightened agreement.
Mr. Speaker, what this rescissions package signals to us and the
people that we represent and, more importantly, what it signals to
America, as the OMB Director just said, Republicans aren't interested
in bipartisanship. They aren't interested in commonsense solutions to
finding common ground anchored in Democrats and Republicans coming
together.
We know that is the case because we have made clear our willingness
to solve the challenges that the American people face and work with
anyone in this town, particularly when it comes to lowering the high
cost of living in the United States of America. Republicans continue to
do nothing about that. They are not doing a damn thing to make life
more affordable for the American people.
That is one of many reasons why we continue to be opposed to this
reckless legislation that Republicans bring to the House floor. It will
hurt everyday Americans. It will hurt children. It will hurt families.
It will hurt older Americans. It will hurt people that Republicans
represent in rural America and all while undermining American
leadership in the world.
Mr. Speaker, once again, this is unfortunate. Once again, we see a
Congress not functioning as a separate and coequal branch of
government. We see a Congress, given this Republican majority, not
willing to serve as a check and balance on an out-of-control executive
branch but always willing to do the bidding of the executive branch, as
if we work for the Article II branch of government.
Mr. Speaker, we don't work for Donald Trump. We don't work for JD
Vance. We don't work for the OMB Director. We work for the American
people, and that is why we are a hard ``no'' against this reckless
rescissions package.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, two words from me: Low energy.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr.
Austin Scott).
Mr. AUSTIN SCOTT of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, we all know from watching
the last 4 years the Democrats have been working for an autopen the
last 4 years and not the American citizens.
As a guy from a small town, I want my friends on the other side of
the aisle to know this. My town is so small that we literally don't
have a red light unless the train comes through. We don't need big-city
people telling us how to live. We get along just fine.
In fact, right down the road from my house, a person can open up a
cooler and pull fresh vegetables out of there based on the honor
system. The bag says how much someone is supposed to pay for them.
There is a box with cash in it.
Mr. Speaker, try that in one of your metropolitan areas. While I hear
my colleague talk about how much help we in the small town need for
more government, as a small-town guy, the deficit and the debt scares
us. It does.
Let's talk about the facts about this package. If there is anything
that is wrong with the package, it is that it doesn't cut enough.
{time} 2230
The net increase in spending so far this fiscal year, the last 9
months, is $318 billion.
Let me say that again for the American citizens.
The net increase in spending has gone up $318 billion in the last 9
months.
This piece of legislation cuts less than one-half of 1 percent of
discretionary spending. It is a rounding error on the increase. I wish
that DOGE were working as effectively today as it was the first several
months of the year. I hope that we, as Republicans, get back to
exposing where the American tax dollars have been wasted over the last
several years.
Mr. Speaker, I encourage people to vote for this minor cut, but a
minor cut is better than no cut.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Members are reminded to direct their remarks
to the Chair.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, you have to love the gentleman from
Georgia when he says that he worries about the deficit and the debt. My
question is, why the hell did you vote for the big, ugly bill that adds
$4 trillion to the debt? It makes no sense.
Mr. Speaker, I urge that we defeat the previous question, and I will
offer an amendment to the rule to immediately bring up to the House
floor H.R. 4405, the bipartisan Epstein Files Transparency Act,
introduced by Representatives Khanna and Massie under a closed rule
with 1 hour of debate.
Mr. Speaker, tonight in the Rules Committee, Democrats offered a
motion, several motions, to allow a vote on the floor to actually
release the Epstein files, and Republicans on the committee just voted
to block it, time and time again.
The only reason it won't be considered on the floor immediately after
this rule passes is because of nine Republicans on the Rules Committee
who voted no.
[[Page H3454]]
Now with the previous question, I will give the entire Republican
Conference another chance to vote to release the Epstein files, the
only other chance to vote on it this week. As I just said, the
resolution Republicans just voted on in the Rules Committee is a
glorified press release. It is nonbinding.
The Republicans are pretending to do something because they are
feeling the heat at home, but it won't even come to the House floor
this week, Mr. Speaker. We can't even get a commitment for when it is
coming to the floor.
The bipartisan bill we are offering, if we defeat the previous
question, would actually release the files. It would have the power of
law. It would not be a glorified press release.
Ask yourself, Mr. Speaker, why would anybody want to stop this bill
from getting a vote? What are Republicans so afraid of?
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of my
amendment into the Record, along with extraneous material, immediately
prior to the vote on the previous question.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Massachusetts?
There was no objection.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from
California (Mr. Khanna), the sponsor of the bill, to discuss our
proposal.
Mr. KHANNA. Mr. Speaker, the American people, Republicans,
Independents, and Democrats want the Epstein files released with the
victims' identity protected.
Now most people don't understand how this town works, so I am going
to try to explain this really simply.
Congressman Massie and I introduced a bipartisan bill to release all
the Epstein files and to make sure victims were protected. There are 10
Republican cosponsors of that bill, including MAGA stalwarts like
Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Tim
Burchett. We have the votes tonight to pass it, but what happened in
the Rules Committee is they don't want to have this vote tonight
because they know they are going to lose because they know their own
Members want to vote for it.
What is even sillier is they had this nonbinding resolution, so I
thought surely we would vote on a nonbinding resolution. They don't
even want to vote on the nonbinding resolution in case Donald Trump
gets slightly offended. They don't even want the vote on the nonbinding
resolution tonight.
Now, the President is paying attention--not just because his favorite
Congressman Thomas Massie is involved--and he directs the Attorney
General Pam Bondi to ask the courts to release the grand jury
testimony.
Here is the problem: The grand jury testimony is largely about
Epstein and Maxwell, not about all the rich and powerful men who
abused, assaulted, and abandoned young women. Those people are still
being protected.
By the way, the courts usually don't release grand jury testimony.
The President is hearing the American people, and the President knows
that if there is a vote tonight, this body overwhelmingly would vote
for the release of the files.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield an additional 30 seconds to the
gentleman from California.
Mr. KHANNA. I don't need more than 30 seconds. I need 10 seconds.
This question is: Whose side are you on?
Today, the Democrats are on the side of the people. The Democrats are
on the side of the children. There are 10 Republicans who are on the
side of the people and the children, but the entire Democratic Party is
on that side and the Republicans have chosen to protect the rich and
powerful men who have abused our children. It is wrong, and that is the
clear difference tonight.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
Louisiana (Mr. Scalise), the majority leader.
Mr. SCALISE. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Chair for yielding and for
helping get this process to the floor, despite so many attempts by the
Democrats to block this effort to cut waste, fraud, and abuse in
government spending. We have seen it over and over and over again.
Every time we have tried to get our economy back on track to put more
money in the pockets, by the way, of hardworking families, as we just
succeeded in doing with the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, every step of
the way, the only people trying to block that effort have been
Democrats in Washington.
They are getting nervous. They are feeling the heat from people back
home, Mr. Speaker, that are angry, saying why did you vote--those
waiters and waitresses, who make $32,000 a year, when they keep hearing
them talk about billionaires. They are not voting against billionaires.
They are voting against waiters and waitresses earning $32,000 a year
and cops working the beat who don't want to have to pay overtime taxes.
We protected them from that.
Every Democrat voted no, Mr. Speaker. I can understand why they come
up here and want to talk about anything other than what we are actually
doing to deliver for those families.
It is interesting how they talk about Jeffrey Epstein because for 4
years, Mr. Speaker, President Joe Biden had those files and not a
single Democrat that you are hearing tonight tried to get those files
released.
The House Republicans are working to do that and, of course, they are
in a tizzy, Mr. Speaker, because they are finally being exposed for
covering it up for 4 years.
Let them continue to come up and talk about all the deficit spending
that they created while they cite and talk about the One Big Beautiful
Bill Act. If you look at our scorekeeper here in the House, Mr.
Speaker, they said it is going to add $4 trillion to the deficit by
giving people their money back, along with cutting waste, fraud, and
abuse that we did in this bill.
They are citing the same organization that the last time we gave
families more of their hard-earned money back, that same group, CBO,
said, oh, it is going to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit.
Mr. Speaker, we actually have the numbers now, and CBO was just a
little bit off. The same people they cite as Gospel on $4 trillion said
that we were going to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit back then. Do
you know how much they were off by, Mr. Speaker? The numbers are in.
They were off by $1.5 trillion.
They have lost their credibility. The Office of Management and Budget
actually came out and said that the One Big Beautiful Bill Act would
reduce the deficit by $1.4 trillion. They don't want to talk about that
because every Democrat voted no. Every Democrat voted against, by the
way, reforming and revamping America's air traffic control system,
which was in that bill. Every Democrat voted no.
Every American family wants that air traffic control system reformed.
They sure want that tax relief. Those small businesses want to be able
to get back up on their feet, and they will be able to because House
Republicans said we are going to just focus on doing the work of the
American people. Anybody that just wants to go root for failure and
continue to try to keep inflation high, interest rates high, and vote
``no'' on every bill that puts power back in the pockets of families,
let them have to answer for that back home, Mr. Speaker.
We are going to keep working. This bill tonight is part of continuing
that trend of getting spending under control. Does it answer all the
problems? No. I would say $9 billion is a good start. Hopefully, we do
more things like this, but they are going to come up here and talk
about everything other than this bill because they are all going to
vote ``no.''
I think it is important to know, Mr. Speaker, what they are going to
vote ``no'' against. Let's talk about what is in the bill.
{time} 2240
They are going to be voting against $6 million that was spent for net
zero cities in Mexico, and $8 million for the anti-Israel U.N. Human
Rights Council, a group that is anti-Israel. Why should $8 million of
American tax dollars that are being borrowed from other countries be
going to that organization? How about we actually get spending under
control?
$300,000 was to hold a Pride parade in Lesotho. If Lesotho wants to
hold a Pride parade, let them do it with their tax dollars, not with
American tax dollars.
[[Page H3455]]
$1 million was for voter ID in Haiti. This is rich. They are angry
that we are cutting that money off, but those same Democrats who are
going to vote ``no'' on that will oppose voter ID in America. They are
okay with voter ID in Haiti, but they are against it in America.
I will continue.
They keep talking about Sesame Street. $3 million was going to Iraqi
Sesame Street. Again, if the people in Iraq want to have Sesame Street
on TV, let them go do it. How about if they do it with their own tax
dollars, not with American tax dollars? Better yet, they probably can
get it put on one of the many options that the private sector would
have, just like here in America. We have thousands of private-sector
options to watch any kind of show you would want. Anybody in America
can watch all of that.
$33,000 was for ``Being LBGTQI in the Caribbean.'' That is what we
are cutting, and every Democrat will vote against that cut.
$643,000 was for LGBTQI programs in the Western Balkans. Mr. Speaker,
every Democrat is going to vote against that cut and start talking
about, oh, my God, the world is going to end, and that we won't even be
able to do diplomacy because we are not going to be spending taxpayer
dollars to have an LGBTQI program in the Western Balkans. I think our
relations with the Western Balkans will be just fine if we save that
taxpayer money and try to get spending under control in Washington.
They don't want to do it. At least we do.
$5.1 million was to strengthen the resilience of lesbian, gay,
bisexual, transgender, intersex, and queer global movements. I don't
know what those global movements are. I think they can do that without
taxpayer money. Then, of course, there was funding drag shows in
Ecuador.
The list goes on and on, Mr. Speaker.
Let's finally get control over waste, fraud, and abuse. We started it
in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. We are continuing it here, and we
are going to continue it through the appropriations process.
If Democrats want to vote ``no,'' that is their prerogative. They
have become the party of socialists. Let them vote that way.
We are going to fight for those hardworking families who want to get
our great country back on track.
Let's pass this bill, keep moving, and keep working toward a better,
stronger America.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, let me go back to something the gentleman
said in his long and rambling speech.
He talked about a coverup. Let me just say to him, who is doing the
coverup? You guys are in charge. You control the White House. You
control the House. You control the Senate. Get a grip on reality, for
God's sake.
Either you don't want to know the truth because you have been conned
by Trump that there is nothing in the files, or you are afraid that
there might be something in the files. You are in charge.
By the way, I was hoping the majority leader would tell us when he is
going to schedule the vote on his meaningless bill on the Epstein
files, but I think we will have to wait until he gets back on the
floor.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Connecticut
(Ms. DeLauro), the distinguished ranking member of the Committee on
Appropriations.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Members are reminded to direct their remarks
to the Chair.
Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Speaker, I remain strongly opposed to this
rescissions bill, which is a rubberstamp on stealing from the American
people.
Since taking office, the Trump administration has stolen funds
appropriated by the Congress, passed by Republicans and Democrats in
the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President of the
United States, upending the separation of powers and our constitutional
order.
This rescissions bill is another effort to subvert the Congress'
power of the purse. That is precisely what they are trying to do. For
what ends? To hand billionaires and the biggest corporations that
already pay little or no taxes a massive tax break and, ultimately, to
embrace privatization; to give the biggest companies unchecked power to
rig the economy against the middle class, the working class, and
vulnerable people; and to ensure the American people have no faith in
their government.
This bill will shut down rural television and radio stations, cutting
off coverage of local news, eliminating emergency information like
severe weather alerts, jeopardizing access to PBS KIDS, children's
programs like Sesame Street--yes, Sesame Street.
This bill rips lifesaving support away from hungry, displaced, and
sick people in developing countries and conflict zones and will end
programs that prevent conflict and pandemics.
This bill abandons the people of Ukraine while they resist Putin's
tyranny.
This bill puts America last.
When we retreat from the world diplomatically and through our
assistance to vulnerable people, America will be alone without allies
in a less stable world without the support of the international
community.
Do you know who will come out ahead? China, Russia, Iran.
All of this is being done in the name of combating waste. I will tell
you what waste is: 500 tons of food grown by American farmers destroyed
at a cost of $130,000 to American taxpayers because of the chaos caused
by dismantling USAID. It was left there to expire.
This is the bill to help Republicans claim that they are practicing
fiscal responsibility while concealing that what they are doing is
ripping health insurance away from at least 17 million Americans in
order to make billionaires even more rich, and they increase the debt
by $4 trillion.
How dare they talk about the deficit when they have just increased
it? They are not addressing the cost of living in this country, the
single biggest issue. They are making it worse.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield an additional 30 seconds to the
gentlewoman from Connecticut.
Ms. DeLAURO. This bill codifies the right of the Trump administration
to steal from vulnerable American communities, children, and the global
poor for the sake of handing even more money to billionaires.
Congress needs to reassert its role. Fight for the middle class, the
working class, the vulnerable, not to protect the interests of
billionaires and big corporations.
I strongly oppose this bill. It forfeits our global leadership,
undermines our national security, and steals from the American people.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote ``no.''
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from North
Carolina (Mr. Harris).
Mr. HARRIS of North Carolina. Mr. Speaker, if this $9 billion House
rescissions package doesn't reach President Trump's desk, Congress will
have blown the political opportunity of a lifetime.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today with a simple message to my colleagues:
This is a baby step, but if we don't take it, we are not living up to
our promises. We all ran on fiscal responsibility, so let's be
responsible now and for future rescission packages.
This is low-hanging fruit in the eyes of America, but it breaks the
cycle of spending without accountability. It is proof that Congress can
and will act responsibly when it wants to.
When the American people put President Trump in office, they demanded
lasting changes to a bloated Federal Government. We must not let them
down.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman voted for the big, ugly bill
and added $4 trillion to the debt.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from New Mexico (Ms.
Leger Fernandez), a distinguished member of the Rules Committee.
Ms. LEGER FERNANDEZ. Mr. Speaker, Republicans are destroying that
which is good and kind in America. Abraham Lincoln said that America is
``the last best hope of Earth.''
Our public radio and TV and our work across the globe for public
health and peace are what is the best of America. They are taking Elmo
off the air because they gave billionaires a tax break. They are
defunding Tribal radio and rural broadcasting while Trump
[[Page H3456]]
burns through $56 million of taxpayer money on golf and throws himself
a $45 million birthday parade.
Republicans are engaged in waste, fraud, and abuse. That is the
definition of it. That is the definition of destruction, deception, and
corruption.
The bill doesn't protect Tribal broadcasting, doesn't protect
emergency alerts, and doesn't protect the working families who rely on
public media for news, safety, and education.
Republicans are eating your public programs to serve caviar to their
donors. The public will remember who stood with Big Bird and who
strangled him.
{time} 2250
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, give me a break. Republicans are finally offering
taxpayers relief from years of spending from Democrats. Again, with
President Biden they expanded the Federal Government with an
unprecedented $11 trillion in spending, $6 trillion of which has been
added to the national debt. It needs to end. We voted to end it in H.R.
1. We are ending it in this package here today, and we won't stop
fighting for taxpayers.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania
(Mr. Meuser).
Mr. MEUSER. Mr. Speaker, I thank Chairwoman Foxx very much for her
leadership.
Mr. Speaker, let's set something straight about tax cuts, so-called,
for billionaires. There are fewer than 800 billionaires in the United
States of America. We kept taxes low for over 160 million Americans,
and the Democrats all voted to increase taxes on 160 million Americans.
As a matter of fact, Mr. Speaker, most of those billionaires--over 70
percent--are huge Democratic donors.
During President Trump's first term, we had progrowth policies, a
booming economy, and revenues increased. Then the Biden administration
accelerated the deficit by those in the administration, by the way, who
referred to themselves as the Politburo who were actually running the
administration.
Service on the debt alone increased during that time from $400
billion in 2020 to nearly $1 trillion last year. That is why we must
rein in irresponsible agencies. They have been taken over by
ideologues, Mr. Speaker, doing things that are simply not in the
interest of the people of the United States.
USAID has done some good things, but they have also done things that
were an enormous waste, totally inappropriate, and, in fact, they lost
the trust of the American people. Agencies like this need to be
reformed. The American people aren't going to put up with it anymore.
Why is the government still funding public television when most
people have hundreds of channels, as has been mentioned, to watch their
news or whatever they want to watch? Is it just because it has been
around for 50 years? That is not reason enough.
Unless we want to pass along $37 trillion, and climbing, of debt to
our children, we have to start spending money on the must-haves, not on
the nice-to-haves. These stations are not only nice-to-have to some,
they are not-nice-to-have to most, and they are certainly not must-
haves.
Mr. Speaker, let's pass this rescissions package. Let's get on our
way to having some accountability for the American people and codify
President Trump's spending reductions into law.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, according to CBO, the top 1 percent get 22
percent of the tax cuts. The top 20 percent get 66 percent of the tax
cuts. Only in a Republican mind would that be considered fair.
I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Colorado (Mr. Neguse), a
distinguished member of the Rules Committee.
Mr. NEGUSE. Mr. Speaker, only in Washington, D.C., could politicians
come to the floor and brag about cutting $9 billion from rural radio
stations while 2 weeks ago they voted to increase the deficit by $4
trillion. Spare us these lectures.
For years, Republicans have lectured us and the country about so-
called fiscal responsibility, the deficit, the debt, and then they have
the audacity to increase the deficit by $4 trillion to pay for tax cuts
for the 800 billionaires that my Republican colleague from Pennsylvania
is so carefully tracking. It is shameful.
This bill, make no mistake, Mr. Speaker, is a war on rural America.
They are closing rural hospitals by virtue of the bill they passed 15
days ago. Now they will close rural radio stations in the chairwoman's
district in North Carolina and in my State, Colorado, the western part
of my State that I have the privilege of representing. There are rural
radio stations across the country that help constituents during
wildfires and during floods. It is shameful. It should be rejected, Mr.
Speaker.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished
gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Walberg), chairman of the Education and
Workforce Committee.
Mr. WALBERG. Mr. Speaker, the Biden administration's reckless
spending caused rampant inflation, burdening workers, families,
farmers, and small businesses, unless you believe the spin that
continues tonight. I don't think America is believing it.
After passing the largest savings in America's history through the
One Big Beautiful Bill Act earlier this month, the Rescissions Act
builds on House Republicans' unprecedented success in reining in
wasteful spending and the President's willingness to not spend
everything that we give him. That is unusual.
The list of egregious foreign aid projects is endless. Here are just
a few: $3 million for Iraqi Sesame Street, $18 million to improve
gender diversity in the Mexican street lighting industry, $2.5 million
to teach children how to make environmentally friendly reproductive
health decisions, whatever that means.
This abuse of taxpayer dollars must end. The Rescissions Act would
prioritize the needs of Americans over everyone else.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield an additional 30 seconds to the
gentleman from Michigan.
Mr. WALBERG. The Rescissions Act would prioritize the needs of
American people instead of funding far-left foreign initiatives.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to pass this bill, which represents
a vital step in reining in wasteful spending and Big Government abuse
of the taxpayer.
Mr. McGOVERN. That was riveting.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from California
(Ms. Pelosi), the Speaker Emerita.
Ms. PELOSI. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding and for
his leadership. We are so proud of him.
Now, tonight is a dangerous night for our country. I am not even
talking about the defense bill and whether we agree or disagree on
that. I am talking about what is happening in this Rescissions Act.
Don't take it from me. Just take it from Navy Admiral William
McRaven, who was a Navy SEAL and a 4-star admiral. He warned that
cutting State Department USAID will put every American at risk.
This is the quote: ``This is no time to weaken any element of
America's power. The dismissal of highly trained diplomats at the State
Department and the dismantling of USAID will jeopardize national
security and make the military's job much more difficult. Our national
security has never depended on military strength alone; rather, it
relies on collaboration with a strong Foreign Service and diplomatic
corps,'' and I am adding with our USAID.
In this bill, over $8 billion is taken away from what we do to
alleviate poverty in the world, to lessen things like HIV and AIDS and
other diseases, which have an impact on global health, by stopping the
funding for the World Health Organization.
I gave praise to President Bush when he put forth PEPFAR. We worked
closely with him to fund it as appropriators. There were 25 million
people's lives saved, but we are saying the alleviation of poverty and
the eradication of disease is no longer the point. They did this in the
1990s, too, when they took control of the House. Do you know what they
did? They opened the door for China and Russia to go into these
countries, have geopolitical victories funded by our money that they
made in trade against us, speaking of China, and then, and then us
walking
[[Page H3457]]
out the door. This is absolutely a shame, an absolute shame.
Mr. Speaker, I urge everyone to vote ``no'' on this and understand
what this is.
{time} 2300
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from
California (Mr. McClintock), who is one of our most eloquent speakers.
Mr. McCLINTOCK. Mr. Speaker, we have had a great debate between
deficits and taxes, but deficits and taxes are two sides of the same
coin. To spend a dollar, Mr. Speaker, you must either tax it now or
borrow it now and tax it later. Taxes and deficits are both driven by
spending.
This bill rescinds some of the most stupid spending in the entire
Federal Government. These are the kindest cuts of all: subsidies for
state media and grants to corrupt NGOs for outrageous foreign
propaganda.
Mr. Speaker, $9 billion comes to about $70 for an average American
family.
Mr. Speaker, do you think they prefer to spend that $70 on a new pair
of shoes for their child or for ``girl-centric climate change
programs'' in Brazil?
That is the choice.
Congress squanders hundreds of billions of dollars annually on
destructive subsidies and useless grants like these. Let us finally
take this first, small step toward the solvency of our Nation, relief
for our people, and redemption for our Congress.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from
Maryland (Mr. Raskin), who is the distinguished ranking member of the
Committee on the Judiciary.
Mr. RASKIN. Mr. Speaker, I thank Mr. McGovern for yielding.
The American people across the political spectrum are now demanding
the release of the complete Epstein file. This is what President Trump
and Vice President Vance and the whole Trump team was demanding up
until the last couple of weeks when President Trump suddenly decided he
wanted to sweep the whole thing under the rug. There are now two
approaches in Congress.
We have got a bipartisan, binding law which has teeth to compel
disclosure of all the relevant material that America wants to see, but
on the other hand, the Republicans in the Rules Committee just unveiled
a meaningless, hortatory, fig leaf, Swiss cheese resolution that has no
teeth at all. It doesn't even have dentures. It is all cavities what
they have offered.
We have got a choice now. We can go with a bill that would actually
have teeth for enforcement or a meaningless, hortatory resolution that
has all the legal force of National Chrysanthemum Month.
Now, the original Khanna-Massie bill asks for comprehensive release
from the Attorney General, and it is binding, which means if they don't
turn it over, then we can go to court. It is comprehensive. It includes
everything from flight logs and travel records to individuals,
including government officials named or referenced, in connection with
all of Epstein's criminal activities, all of the entities involved. We
want to know about all the immunity deals.
It even tried to deter and account for destruction, deletion,
alteration, misplacement, or concealment of documents and records. All
of that falls out of this fraudulent resolution they have thrown up at
the last minute here.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield an additional 30 seconds to the
gentleman from Maryland.
Mr. RASKIN. There is nothing in there except for a series of
qualifying weasel words which are added to give complete, unilateral,
and subjective discretion to the Attorney General to decide what should
be in and what should be out. It starts off by saying whereas--our
resolution says: ``All documents, records, and communications.'' Theirs
says: ``All credible documents, records, and communications.''
Well, who is going to decide that?
It will be Attorney General Bondi in conjunction with Donald Trump
who today said that a letter that he wrote to Jeffrey Epstein on his
birthday which was published and which has all the indicia of
credibility is not credible. That would not be included.
Let's release the real Epstein file.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas
(Mr. Roy), who is a Rules Committee member.
Mr. ROY. Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairwoman for yielding.
So here we are. Democrats couldn't seem to find a single thing to say
about Epstein when President Biden was in office, but now they want to
make this the centerpiece of their entire conversation.
The fact of the matter is right now they know it is true, and right
now what they don't want to do is have the American people focusing on
the Republicans in Congress who are doing the thing they sent us here
to do, which is end wasteful spending, to stop the ridiculous spending
of a bureaucratic government that has been weaponized against the
people. These are dollars that are being used and wasted and sent
around the world for $32,000 for transgender comic books in Peru. That
is how they want to use taxpayer money.
We are over here trying to make sure we are saving that money instead
of having $6 million to fund tourism in Egypt or $2 million for sex
changes and LGBT activism in Guatemala.
Why should the people of Texas be paying for that instead of paying
to clean up the flood in Texas?
The fact of the matter is the people of Texas want their money to be
used for the things they care about.
We have listened to the minority leader come to the floor and lecture
us about the virtues of public radio and public broadcasting.
Yet, nevertheless, the truth is it took NPR through Texas public
radio 19 hours to post anything about the flooding on its social media
pages after the floods hit in Texas.
What was NPR and Texas public radio doing that morning?
They weren't breaking to talk about what was happening in Texas. They
were running ads saying people should call Congress to fund them, but
the private stations in Texas were breaking to release reports and tell
people what to do because that is what private stations can do. They
can respond to the people because they are locally owned, they are
locally run, and they are not run by bureaucrats from this town.
The fact is, we are going to save money for the American people and
end the absurdity of this leftist propaganda being put under public
radio.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, my head is about to explode. That guy just
voted to increase the debt ceiling by $5 trillion, and he is trying to
blame Democrats for Jeffrey Epstein.
Who was President when Jeffrey Epstein died in his cell?
It was Donald Trump.
Who is in charge now and blocking the release of the files?
It is Donald Trump, so please.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentlewoman from Florida
(Ms. Lois Frankel).
Ms. LOIS FRANKEL of Florida. Mr. Speaker, we are witnessing a
reckless, cruel, and shortsighted assault on American values, global
leadership, and our constitutional responsibilities.
Let's be clear. This is not a budget fix. It is a dangerous retreat
from our role in the world. Foreign aid is just a sliver of our budget,
but it saves lives. It prevents wars, and it opens markets for American
businesses. It is a smart investment in our national security.
As we speak, Mr. Speaker, there are millions of dollars of food that
has been left rotting over in ports, leaving massive numbers of people
in conflict zones starving. This is all due to the chaos and
mismanagement of the White House.
This is not fiscal responsibility. It is moral failure. This bad bill
pulls millions of children out of school, leaves small farmers without
tools, wipes out access to clean water, and cuts off contraception for
women and girls.
Meanwhile, our adversaries are stepping in. China and Russia are
seizing influence as we retreat. This bill cedes Congress' power of the
purse giving one man the authority to cancel funds we have already
approved.
I call us the disappearing Congress, and that is not how democracy
works. It is how autocracy begins. Vote ``no'' on this very bad bill.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas
(Mr. Gill).
[[Page H3458]]
Mr. GILL of Texas. Mr. Speaker, tonight is the culmination of months
of work from House Republicans to defund leftwing state-sponsored media
outlets like NPR.
During that process, we got to bring in leadership from these outlets
like the CEO of NPR, Katherine Maher, to testify before the House
Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
I got to ask her about a lot of her past public statements. It turns
out she has a prolific Twitter history. She has written extensively
about every single major woke buzzword that you can think of, Mr.
Speaker, including ``the ravages of late-stage capitalism,''
``structural privilege,'' and her own ``cis White mobility privilege.''
Mr. Speaker, most Americans, including myself, didn't know what that
meant until reading this.
She wrote about the ``politics of representation,'' and, of course,
``toxic masculinity.''
She also wrote about herself, about one of her major pet peeves,
which is whenever she goes on an airplane and finds out that the
demographics are ``usually > 80% male, usually white.''
{time} 2310
Mr. Speaker, that is flagrantly racist. She has written about how:
``I do wish Hillary''--meaning Hillary Clinton--``wouldn't use the
language of `boy and girl'--it's erasing language for non-binary
people.''
Mr. Speaker, this is the person running the outlet the other side of
the aisle wants our tax dollars to subsidize.
Of course, she has written extensively about race, about how America
is ``addicted to white supremacy,'' how she grew up ``feeling
superior'' because she is White, how ``America begins in black plunder
and white democracy.'' Mr. Speaker, this is directly from her own
Twitter account.
Mr. Speaker, nonpartisan news outlets are not run by lunatics like
this. Republicans are done using the power that voters give us to fund
Democrat media machines. We are playing to win now.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, that guy voted to add $4 trillion to the
debt, too.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr.
Meeks), the distinguished ranking member of the Committee on Foreign
Affairs.
Mr. MEEKS. Mr. Speaker, this rescissions package is disastrous. It
cuts $8 billion in lifesaving and critical U.S. foreign assistance,
including food assistance, access to clean water, and lifesaving
medicine.
Let's stop pretending that this is about fiscal responsibility. This
package is not about saving money. It is about selling a con yet again
to the American people.
The President claimed the United States was wastefully sending
condoms to Gaza. The fact is that they were sending them to Mozambique
to stop the spread of HIV and AIDS.
The President claimed that there was a wasteful $21 million grant to
India. The fact is the grant never existed.
It goes on from there.
The President claimed that there was a national emergency in Brazil
to justify slapping a 50 percent tariff on a country where the U.S. has
run a trade surplus for over a decade. There is no emergency.
He shouted about the Epstein files, and now his administration is
saying there are no such files.
This all, once again, is to serve as a con to the American people.
Let's be clear about what the Republicans are voting to defund today:
programs that help educate women and girls, programs that fight deadly
diseases.
Food, clean water, humanitarian relief for the world's most
vulnerable--are we really going to take these things away from the most
vulnerable with it? America's credibility and global leadership must
not yield to this con.
Let's get to the real waste. The real waste is incinerating 500
metric tons of expired aid sitting in warehouses meant to feed
suffering children in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The real fraud is telling the American people that these cuts will
help them, and they won't.
The real fraud is letting Elon Musk and his DOGE minions wreak havoc
at State and USAID after the President fired the independent watchdogs
at those agencies.
This is not how you run and lead a country. This is how you run a
scam on the American people. Let's call this for what it is. It is a
con.
Republicans claim that they are doing this to save taxpayer money,
but as Mr. McGovern says continually, you cut $8 billion in Foreign
Service and then you add over $3 trillion or $4 trillion to the
American debt. It is a con.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Here we go again, not talking about the subject at hand but trying to
distract people. It is the same old, tired song and dance. Our friends
revert to demonizing and misrepresenting the big, beautiful bill. They
say you can't make this stuff up, but that is what they do.
We are having one success after another, and it is driving our
friends across the aisle to distraction.
When they had full control of the levers of power just a few years
ago, they expanded the Federal Government with an unprecedented $11
trillion in spending, $6 trillion of which has been added to the
national debt.
What is most revealing is their refusal to articulate a single
program, a single outlay, or a single area of Federal spending they
want to reduce on behalf of taxpayers. They want every single dime of
taxpayer money, and they don't like the historic cutting of $1.6
trillion in waste, fraud, and abuse in H.R. 1. They can't stomach the
$9 billion here in this discretionary cuts to wasteful spending. There
is no upper limit to the amount of taxpayer dollars they will throw at
their government-centered schemes.
How about a million? Can democrats articulate a cut to Federal
spending in the amount of a million? How about in the thousands, like
the $500,000 for electric buses in Rwanda or the $8,000 for promoting
vegan food in Zambia that we are cutting now? They can't do it, and
that is very unfortunate because it has dire consequences for our
Nation.
The fact is, we can't work in a bipartisan fashion to cut Federal
spending anymore, and that wasn't always the case. Our colleagues are
addicted to a tax-and-spend formula that has been bankrupting our
government.
But we won't stand idly by. We won't wait on Democrats to take their
heads out of the sand or wake up from this woke-induced coma. We are
taking bold action at every level and in every facet of the Federal
Government to get our Federal spending under control. We will do it
$8,000 at a time when we have to or $1.6 trillion at a time when we
can. We have been given this mandate, and the American people are
counting on us.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from New
York (Mr. Goldman).
Mr. GOLDMAN of New York. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in strong
opposition to President Trump's reckless and destructive rescissions
bill.
The proposed $8 billion cut to global aid programs is not only a
shortsighted betrayal of American leadership, but it is going to result
in millions of people getting sick and losing their lives.
If we continue to retreat from helping countries around the world as
this administration is doing, our adversaries like China will fill the
vacuum. That makes us less powerful and less safe.
It is not just lives at risk abroad. Lives here will be lost, too. By
defunding the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, millions of
Americans will no longer have access to our national emergency weather
alert system. Simply put: Americans will die because of these cuts.
In addition to gutting one of the last vestiges of independent
journalism, which is only biased if you think the truth is biased, the
Republicans are also defunding free children's educational programs
enjoyed by millions around the country.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote ``no.''
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from
North Carolina (Ms. Adams).
Ms. ADAMS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
I rise today in opposition to the rule to consider the rescissions
package of
[[Page H3459]]
2025 and its reckless cuts to public broadcasting.
It is not hyperbole to say that public broadcasting saves lives
during emergency situations and natural disasters. My State knows that
firsthand.
When Hurricane Helene devastated western North Carolina last year,
public broadcasting was there when traditional communication failed.
Widespread power, cellular, and internet outages meant that, for
thousands of North Carolinians, public radio was how they received
their news.
Our local public broadcasting stations provided lifesaving updates
for our residents, broadcasted emergency resource information like food
and water and distribution, and gave a direct line for North
Carolinians to speak to their communities.
Slashing public broadcasting funding will limit their ability to
operate during crises and delay critical information to the people who
need it most.
Make no mistake: Without public broadcasting, we would have seen more
lives lost in Helene. We need to protect these stations so we can
protect our communities.
{time} 2320
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, let's talk about the Public Broadcasting Act of 1967,
which mandates that all public broadcasting programs must demonstrate
strict adherence to objectivity and balance in all programs. There are
a myriad of statistical studies that prove that they are not.
Perhaps most damning for NPR is the fact that it had to utilize a
$1.9 million Federal grant to ``improve objectivity and diverse
viewpoints'' last year. This is despite the fact that NPR's CEO
recently testified, as our colleague said, that she didn't witness any
bias at the organization. Then why the need for the Federal grant?
The problem with the Public Broadcasting Act is that it lacks an
enforcement mechanism, so we will go with our constitutional
prerogatives here to enforce the law. It starts with the rescission of
funding.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from
New Mexico (Ms. Stansbury).
Ms. STANSBURY. Mr. Speaker, you guys are so weak that you won't even
vote to release the files. It is 11:20 p.m. in the middle of the night,
and once again, you are trying to jam your dark agenda through Congress
in the dark of night.
It makes me wonder: Have you even read this bill? I mean, really,
because this bill rescinds $9 billion for international aid, public
health, and public media. It will make America less safe. It will
undermine our national security. It will threaten lives across the
world and kill children.
On top of that, it undermines our Constitution, the power of the
people, the power of the purse, and the separation of powers in our
Constitution, as Russell Vought, OMB, and the architects of Project
2025 are trying to use this rescission bill to undermine the power of
Congress.
That is why we will vote ``no,'' a ``hell no'' to the blatant power
grab that it represents in the face of the chaotic and corrupt
administration and Congress that is stealing from our people.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Members are reminded to direct their remarks
to the Chair.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, we are far from weak. We are doing what the
American people want us to do, and that is to let them keep more of
their money and not take it and let unnamed bureaucrats spend it on
their behalf.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, may I ask how many more speakers the
gentlewoman has.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I am not quite ready to close, but will be
shortly.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas
(Mr. Arrington), the distinguished chairman of the Budget Committee.
Mr. ARRINGTON. Mr. Speaker, the era of woke and wasteful spending in
the people's government is over, and it is sad to watch this last-ditch
effort by my Democratic colleagues to fight for status quo. The status
quo is a cesspool of these leftist ideological programs that they would
say is soft power for America's interests or that they would say are
lifesaving services.
Mr. Speaker, the American people rejected this radical agenda. They
rejected the failed policies of my Democratic colleagues and their
unbridled spending that is bankrupting this country.
They sent President Trump here with a mandate and unified Republican
leadership to restore competent leadership, commonsense policies, and a
commitment to America First. There is nothing common sense or America
First about transgender comic books in Peru and all the other woke and
wasteful programs that my Democratic colleagues are fighting to defend.
Mr. Speaker, I am thankful that we have a President who has heard
from the people and is hell-bent on rightsizing this bureaucracy,
reining in this waste, and restoring fiscal sanity here in Washington,
D.C., not only for the taxpayers of today but for the future, for
prosperity, for freedom, and for our children.
This is why my colleagues are going to wander in the wilderness for
years to come. While that might benefit us politically, it is sad for
my country. I am sad as an American to see the defense of these crazy,
divisive, and dangerous ideological programs that my taxpayers in west
Texas are spending their hard-earned money for.
Mr. Speaker, I encourage and urge my colleagues on both sides to
support this rescissions package.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, before I close, let's talk about what is actually in
front of us.
This rescissions package is a joke. Republicans passed a massive tax
giveaway for the rich, one of the most expensive in history. That
giveaway was 450 times the size of these rescissions, and every single
Republican who spoke tonight voted to add $4 trillion to the debt--
every single one of them.
This isn't even good policy or process. It is rushed. It is sloppy.
Even Republicans in the Senate are warning about the consequences, but
the House majority doesn't care. They are more interested in headlines
than outcomes. Once again, it is everyday people who pay the price.
Mr. Speaker, let us end where we started: the Epstein files.
Republicans can take a real vote today, a vote that will put them on
the side of truth and justice, a vote to tell victims that we hear you,
we see you, and we will not protect the powerful at your expense.
Instead, they are choosing cowardice. They are choosing obedience to
Trump, so they cooked up this nonbinding resolution, a press release,
pretending to do something.
Let's be clear: Republicans can either vote to release the files or
vote to bury them. If every Republican votes to block our attempt to
release the records, they are telling Epstein's victims that they don't
matter as much as their political convenience. That should disgust
every single one of us.
This place deserves better. This country deserves better. The
victims, most of all, deserve the truth.
Release the Epstein files. Release the Epstein files. Release the
files.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, all night, our colleagues across the aisle have been
talking about what we are not here to discuss, which is this
rescissions package. They keep trying to distract the American people
with things that we are not here to talk about.
The American people do not want to see their hard-earned tax dollars
being squandered, not one bit. At its core, H.R. 4 is about shutting
off the spigot of wasteful money, clawing back the tax dollars of
Americans, and ensuring that wasteful and unnecessary spending is
uprooted and left to wither and die.
It is just that simple. That is all there is to it. With more
rescissions packages on the horizon, the President and Speaker have
indicated that the best is yet to come.
We are doing our job to help save the American taxpayers' dollars. We
know how hard it is to earn those dollars, and we don't want to see
them squandered.
[[Page H3460]]
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote ``yes'' on the previous
question, ``yes'' on the rule, and ``yes'' on the underlying bill.
The material previously referred to by Mr. McGovern is as follows:
An Amendment to H. Res. 590 Offered by Mr. McGovern of Massachusetts
At the end of the resolution, add the following:
Sec. 2. Immediately upon adoption of this resolution, the
House shall proceed to the consideration in the House of the
bill (H.R. 4405) to require the Attorney General to release
all documents and records in possession of the Department of
Justice relating to Jeffrey Epstein, and for other purposes.
All points of order against consideration of the bill are
waived. The bill shall be considered as read. All points of
order against provisions in the bill are waived. The previous
question shall be considered as ordered on the bill and on
any amendment thereto, to final passage without intervening
motion except: (1) one hour of debate equally divided and
controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the
Committee on the Judiciary or their respective designees; and
(2) one motion to recommit.
Sec. 3. Clause 1(c) of rule XIX and clause 8 of rule XX
shall not apply to the consideration of H.R. 4405.
Sec. 4. The Clerk shall transmit to the Senate a message
that the House has passed H.R. 4405 no later than one week
after passage.
{time} 2330
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I
move the previous question on the resolution.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Bost). The question is on ordering the
previous question.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 9 of rule XX, the Chair
will reduce to 5 minutes the minimum time for any electronic vote on
the question of adoption of the resolution.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 218,
nays 211, not voting 3, as follows:
[Roll No. 202]
YEAS--218
Aderholt
Alford
Allen
Amodei (NV)
Arrington
Babin
Bacon
Baird
Balderson
Barr
Barrett
Baumgartner
Bean (FL)
Begich
Bentz
Bergman
Bice
Biggs (AZ)
Biggs (SC)
Bilirakis
Boebert
Bost
Brecheen
Bresnahan
Buchanan
Burchett
Calvert
Cammack
Carey
Carter (GA)
Carter (TX)
Ciscomani
Cline
Cloud
Clyde
Cole
Collins
Comer
Crane
Crank
Crawford
Crenshaw
Davidson
De La Cruz
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Donalds
Downing
Dunn (FL)
Edwards
Ellzey
Emmer
Estes
Evans (CO)
Ezell
Fallon
Fedorchak
Feenstra
Fine
Finstad
Fischbach
Fitzgerald
Fitzpatrick
Fleischmann
Flood
Fong
Foxx
Franklin, Scott
Fry
Fulcher
Garbarino
Gill (TX)
Gimenez
Goldman (TX)
Gonzales, Tony
Gooden
Gosar
Graves
Greene (GA)
Griffith
Grothman
Guest
Guthrie
Hageman
Hamadeh (AZ)
Haridopolos
Harrigan
Harris (MD)
Harris (NC)
Harshbarger
Hern (OK)
Higgins (LA)
Hill (AR)
Hinson
Houchin
Hudson
Huizenga
Hunt
Hurd (CO)
Issa
Jack
Jackson (TX)
James
Johnson (LA)
Johnson (SD)
Jordan
Joyce (OH)
Joyce (PA)
Kean
Kelly (MS)
Kelly (PA)
Kennedy (UT)
Kiggans (VA)
Kiley (CA)
Kim
Knott
Kustoff
LaHood
LaLota
LaMalfa
Langworthy
Latta
Lawler
Lee (FL)
Letlow
Loudermilk
Lucas
Luna
Luttrell
Mace
Mackenzie
Malliotakis
Maloy
Mann
Massie
Mast
McCaul
McClain
McClintock
McCormick
McDowell
McGuire
Messmer
Meuser
Miller (IL)
Miller (OH)
Miller (WV)
Miller-Meeks
Mills
Moolenaar
Moore (AL)
Moore (NC)
Moore (UT)
Moore (WV)
Moran
Murphy
Nehls
Newhouse
Norman
Nunn (IA)
Obernolte
Ogles
Onder
Owens
Palmer
Patronis
Perry
Pfluger
Reschenthaler
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rose
Rouzer
Roy
Rulli
Rutherford
Salazar
Scalise
Schmidt
Schweikert
Scott, Austin
Self
Sessions
Shreve
Simpson
Smith (MO)
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smucker
Spartz
Stauber
Stefanik
Steil
Steube
Strong
Stutzman
Taylor
Tenney
Thompson (PA)
Tiffany
Timmons
Turner (OH)
Valadao
Van Drew
Van Duyne
Van Orden
Wagner
Walberg
Weber (TX)
Webster (FL)
Westerman
Wied
Williams (TX)
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Womack
Yakym
Zinke
NAYS--211
Adams
Aguilar
Amo
Ansari
Auchincloss
Balint
Barragan
Beatty
Bell
Bera
Beyer
Bishop
Bonamici
Boyle (PA)
Brown
Brownley
Budzinski
Bynum
Carbajal
Carson
Carter (LA)
Casar
Case
Casten
Castor (FL)
Castro (TX)
Cherfilus-McCormick
Chu
Cisneros
Clark (MA)
Clarke (NY)
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Conaway
Correa
Costa
Courtney
Craig
Crockett
Crow
Cuellar
Davids (KS)
Davis (IL)
Davis (NC)
Dean (PA)
DeGette
DeLauro
DelBene
Deluzio
DeSaulnier
Dexter
Dingell
Doggett
Elfreth
Escobar
Espaillat
Evans (PA)
Fields
Figures
Fletcher
Foster
Foushee
Frankel, Lois
Friedman
Frost
Garamendi
Garcia (CA)
Garcia (IL)
Garcia (TX)
Gillen
Golden (ME)
Goldman (NY)
Gomez
Gonzalez, V.
Goodlander
Gottheimer
Gray
Green, Al (TX)
Harder (CA)
Hayes
Himes
Horsford
Houlahan
Hoyer
Hoyle (OR)
Huffman
Ivey
Jackson (IL)
Jacobs
Jayapal
Jeffries
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (TX)
Kamlager-Dove
Kaptur
Keating
Kelly (IL)
Kennedy (NY)
Khanna
Krishnamoorthi
Landsman
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Latimer
Lee (NV)
Lee (PA)
Leger Fernandez
Levin
Liccardo
Lieu
Lofgren
Lynch
Magaziner
Mannion
Matsui
McBath
McBride
McClain Delaney
McClellan
McCollum
McDonald Rivet
McGarvey
McGovern
McIver
Meeks
Menendez
Meng
Mfume
Min
Moore (WI)
Morelle
Morrison
Moskowitz
Moulton
Mrvan
Mullin
Nadler
Neal
Neguse
Norcross
Ocasio-Cortez
Olszewski
Omar
Pallone
Panetta
Pappas
Pelosi
Perez
Peters
Pettersen
Pingree
Pocan
Pou
Pressley
Quigley
Ramirez
Randall
Raskin
Riley (NY)
Rivas
Ross
Ruiz
Ryan
Salinas
Sanchez
Scanlon
Schakowsky
Schneider
Scholten
Schrier
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Sewell
Sherman
Sherrill
Simon
Smith (WA)
Sorensen
Soto
Stansbury
Stanton
Stevens
Strickland
Subramanyam
Swalwell
Sykes
Takano
Thanedar
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Titus
Tlaib
Tokuda
Tonko
Torres (CA)
Torres (NY)
Trahan
Tran
Underwood
Vargas
Vasquez
Veasey
Velazquez
Vindman
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson Coleman
Whitesides
Williams (GA)
Wilson (FL)
NOT VOTING--3
Burlison
Green (TN)
Suozzi
{time} 2356
Ms. PEREZ changed her vote from ``yea'' to ``nay.''
So the previous question was ordered.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the resolution.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Recorded Vote
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. This is a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 216,
noes 213, not voting 3, as follows:
[Roll No. 203]
AYES--216
Aderholt
Alford
Allen
Amodei (NV)
Arrington
Babin
Bacon
Baird
Balderson
Barr
Barrett
Baumgartner
Bean (FL)
Begich
Bentz
Bergman
Bice
Biggs (AZ)
Biggs (SC)
Bilirakis
Boebert
Bost
Brecheen
Bresnahan
Buchanan
Burchett
Calvert
Cammack
Carey
Carter (GA)
Carter (TX)
Ciscomani
Cline
Cloud
Clyde
Cole
Collins
Comer
Crane
Crank
Crawford
Crenshaw
Davidson
De La Cruz
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Donalds
Downing
Dunn (FL)
Edwards
Ellzey
Emmer
Estes
Evans (CO)
Ezell
Fallon
Fedorchak
Feenstra
Fine
Finstad
Fischbach
Fitzgerald
Fleischmann
Flood
Fong
Foxx
Franklin, Scott
Fry
Fulcher
Garbarino
Gill (TX)
Gimenez
Goldman (TX)
Gonzales, Tony
Gooden
Gosar
Graves
Greene (GA)
Griffith
Grothman
Guest
Guthrie
Hageman
Hamadeh (AZ)
Haridopolos
Harrigan
Harris (MD)
Harris (NC)
Harshbarger
Hern (OK)
Higgins (LA)
Hill (AR)
Hinson
Houchin
Hudson
Huizenga
Hunt
Hurd (CO)
Issa
Jack
Jackson (TX)
James
Johnson (LA)
Johnson (SD)
Jordan
Joyce (OH)
Joyce (PA)
Kean
Kelly (MS)
Kelly (PA)
Kennedy (UT)
Kiggans (VA)
Kiley (CA)
Kim
Knott
Kustoff
LaHood
LaLota
LaMalfa
Langworthy
Latta
Lawler
Lee (FL)
Letlow
Loudermilk
Lucas
Luna
Luttrell
Mace
[[Page H3461]]
Mackenzie
Malliotakis
Maloy
Mann
Massie
Mast
McCaul
McClain
McClintock
McCormick
McDowell
McGuire
Messmer
Meuser
Miller (IL)
Miller (OH)
Miller (WV)
Miller-Meeks
Mills
Moolenaar
Moore (AL)
Moore (NC)
Moore (UT)
Moore (WV)
Moran
Murphy
Nehls
Newhouse
Norman
Nunn (IA)
Obernolte
Ogles
Onder
Owens
Palmer
Patronis
Perry
Pfluger
Reschenthaler
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rose
Rouzer
Roy
Rulli
Rutherford
Salazar
Scalise
Schmidt
Schweikert
Scott, Austin
Self
Sessions
Shreve
Simpson
Smith (MO)
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smucker
Spartz
Stauber
Stefanik
Steil
Steube
Strong
Stutzman
Taylor
Tenney
Thompson (PA)
Tiffany
Timmons
Valadao
Van Drew
Van Duyne
Van Orden
Wagner
Walberg
Weber (TX)
Webster (FL)
Westerman
Wied
Williams (TX)
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Womack
Yakym
Zinke
NOES--213
Adams
Aguilar
Amo
Ansari
Auchincloss
Balint
Barragan
Beatty
Bell
Bera
Beyer
Bishop
Bonamici
Boyle (PA)
Brown
Brownley
Budzinski
Bynum
Carbajal
Carson
Carter (LA)
Casar
Case
Casten
Castor (FL)
Castro (TX)
Cherfilus-McCormick
Chu
Cisneros
Clark (MA)
Clarke (NY)
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Conaway
Correa
Costa
Courtney
Craig
Crockett
Crow
Cuellar
Davids (KS)
Davis (IL)
Davis (NC)
Dean (PA)
DeGette
DeLauro
DelBene
Deluzio
DeSaulnier
Dexter
Dingell
Doggett
Elfreth
Escobar
Espaillat
Evans (PA)
Fields
Figures
Fitzpatrick
Fletcher
Foster
Foushee
Frankel, Lois
Friedman
Frost
Garamendi
Garcia (CA)
Garcia (IL)
Garcia (TX)
Gillen
Golden (ME)
Goldman (NY)
Gomez
Gonzalez, V.
Goodlander
Gottheimer
Gray
Green, Al (TX)
Harder (CA)
Hayes
Himes
Horsford
Houlahan
Hoyer
Hoyle (OR)
Huffman
Ivey
Jackson (IL)
Jacobs
Jayapal
Jeffries
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (TX)
Kamlager-Dove
Kaptur
Keating
Kelly (IL)
Kennedy (NY)
Khanna
Krishnamoorthi
Landsman
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Latimer
Lee (NV)
Lee (PA)
Leger Fernandez
Levin
Liccardo
Lieu
Lofgren
Lynch
Magaziner
Mannion
Matsui
McBath
McBride
McClain Delaney
McClellan
McCollum
McDonald Rivet
McGarvey
McGovern
McIver
Meeks
Menendez
Meng
Mfume
Min
Moore (WI)
Morelle
Morrison
Moskowitz
Moulton
Mrvan
Mullin
Nadler
Neal
Neguse
Norcross
Ocasio-Cortez
Olszewski
Omar
Pallone
Panetta
Pappas
Pelosi
Perez
Peters
Pettersen
Pingree
Pocan
Pou
Pressley
Quigley
Ramirez
Randall
Raskin
Riley (NY)
Rivas
Ross
Ruiz
Ryan
Salinas
Sanchez
Scanlon
Schakowsky
Schneider
Scholten
Schrier
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Sewell
Sherman
Sherrill
Simon
Smith (WA)
Sorensen
Soto
Stansbury
Stanton
Stevens
Strickland
Subramanyam
Swalwell
Sykes
Takano
Thanedar
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Titus
Tlaib
Tokuda
Tonko
Torres (CA)
Torres (NY)
Trahan
Tran
Turner (OH)
Underwood
Vargas
Vasquez
Veasey
Velazquez
Vindman
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson Coleman
Whitesides
Williams (GA)
Wilson (FL)
NOT VOTING--3
Burlison
Green (TN)
Suozzi
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
The SPEAKER pro tempore (during the vote). There are 2 minutes
remaining.
{time} 0003
So the resolution was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
____________________