[Congressional Record Volume 170, Number 180 (Thursday, December 5, 2024)]
[House]
[Pages H6379-H6392]
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                          PROVE IT ACT OF 2024

  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 1602, I call 
up the bill (H.R. 7198) to amend title 5, United States Code, to 
require greater transparency for Federal regulatory decisions that 
impact small businesses, and for other purposes, and ask for its 
immediate consideration in the House.
  The Clerk read the title of the bill.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Norman). Pursuant to House Resolution 
1602, the amendment in the nature of a substitute recommended by the 
Committee on the Judiciary, printed in the bill is adopted and the 
bill, as amended, is considered read.
  The text of the bill, as amended, is as follows:

                               H.R. 7198

       Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of 
     the United States of America in Congress assembled,

     SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

       This Act may be cited as the ``Prove It Act of 2024''.

     SEC. 2. INITIAL REGULATORY FLEXIBILITY ANALYSIS.

       (a) In General.--Chapter 6 of title 5, United States Code, 
     is amended--
       (1) in section 603(b)--
       (A) in paragraph (5), by striking the period at the end and 
     inserting ``; and''; and
       (B) by adding at the end the following:
       ``(6) where feasible, any reasonably foreseeable potential 
     indirect costs the proposed rule may impose on small 
     entities, including small entities that--
       ``(A) purchase products or services from, sell products or 
     services to, or otherwise conduct business with entities 
     directly regulated by the rule;
       ``(B) are directly regulated by other governmental entities 
     as a result of the rule; or
       ``(C) are not directly regulated by the agency as a result 
     of the rule but are otherwise subject to other agency rules 
     as a result of the rule.'';
       (2) in section 605(b), by striking ``The agency'' and 
     inserting ``Not later than 10 days after completing the 
     certification described in this subsection, the agency''; and
       (3) by inserting after section 605 the following:

     ``Sec. 605A. Review procedures relating to initial regulatory 
       flexibility analysis certifications

       ``(a) Filing a Petition to Review Agency Certification of a 
     Proposed Rule.--
       ``(1) In general.--Any small entity, group of small 
     entities, or organization representing the interests of small 
     entities may petition the Chief Counsel for Advocacy of the 
     Small Business Administration (in this section referred to as 
     the `Chief Counsel') to review a certification published 
     under section 605(b) that a proposed rule will not, if 
     promulgated, have a significant economic impact on a 
     substantial number of small entities.
       ``(2) Form.--The Chief Counsel shall--
       ``(A) determine the method, timing, and form of 
     disseminating a petition described in paragraph (1); and
       ``(B) display the information described in subparagraph (A) 
     on the website of the Office of Advocacy of the Small 
     Business Administration in a conspicuous manner.
       ``(3) Contents.--Each petition described in paragraph (1) 
     with respect to a certification published under section 
     605(b) for a proposed rule shall clearly and concisely--
       ``(A) specify the name of the petitioner and a telephone 
     number, a mailing address, and an email address that the 
     Chief Counsel may use to communicate with the petitioner;
       ``(B) if the petitioner is an organization, provide 
     additional identifying information, as applicable, including 
     the organizational or corporate status of the petitioner, the 
     State of incorporation of the petitioner, the registered 
     agent of the petitioner, the interest of the petitioner in 
     representing small entities affected by the proposed rule and 
     the certification at issue, and the name and authority of the 
     individual who signed the petition on behalf of the 
     organizational or corporate petitioner;
       ``(C) present the specific problems or issues that the 
     petitioner believes should be addressed or considered through 
     a review of the certification, such as--
       ``(i) any specific circumstances in which the determination 
     of the certification that the proposed rule will not, if 
     promulgated, have a significant economic impact on a 
     substantial number of small entities is incorrect, 
     incomplete, or inadequate; or
       ``(ii) why the proposed rule would, if promulgated, have a 
     significant economic impact on a substantial number of small 
     entities;
       ``(D) cite, enclose, or reference any relevant and non-
     protected or confidential technical, scientific, or other 
     data or information supporting any assertion of the problems 
     or issues with the certification;
       ``(E) present a proposed solution to the problems or issues 
     raised in the petition, including potential regulatory or 
     compliance alternatives to the proposed rule;
       ``(F) provide an analysis, discussion, or argument that 
     explains how the proposed solution

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     described in subparagraph (E) solves the problems or issues 
     raised in the petition; and
       ``(G) cite, enclose, or reference any other publicly 
     available data or information supporting the proposed 
     solution described in subparagraph (E).
       ``(b) Consultation.--
       ``(1) In general.--Any entity or organization desiring to 
     file a petition under subsection (a) may request a 
     consultation with the Chief Counsel before or after filing 
     the petition.
       ``(2) Form.--The Chief Counsel shall--
       ``(A) determine the method, timing, and form of requesting 
     a consultation with the Chief Counsel under paragraph (1); 
     and
       ``(B) display the information described in subparagraph (A) 
     on the website of the Office of Advocacy of the Small 
     Business Administration in a conspicuous manner.
       ``(3) Limitations on assistance.--In any consultation 
     regarding a petition under paragraph (1), the Chief Counsel--
       ``(A) may only--
       ``(i) describe the process for filing, docketing, tracking, 
     closing, amending, withdrawing, and resolving the petition; 
     and
       ``(ii) assist the petitioner to clarify the petition so 
     that the Chief Counsel is able to understand the issues of 
     concern to the petitioner; and
       ``(B) may not advise a petitioner on whether the petition 
     should be amended or withdrawn.
       ``(c) Prima Facie Review.--
       ``(1) In general.--Upon receipt of a petition filed under 
     this section with respect to the certification of a proposed 
     rule, the Chief Counsel shall make an initial prima facie 
     determination on the merit of the issues raised in petition 
     as to the properness of the certification and whether the 
     proposed rule in question would, if promulgated, have a 
     significant economic impact on a substantial number of small 
     entities.
       ``(2) No further review.--If, following the prima facie 
     review of a petition under paragraph (1), the Chief Counsel 
     determines that the issues raised in the petition do not 
     merit further review by the Chief Counsel, the Chief Counsel 
     shall, not later than 10 days after receipt of the petition, 
     inform the petitioner of that determination and the matter 
     shall be closed.
       ``(3) Further review.--If, following the prima facie review 
     of a petition under paragraph (1), the Chief Counsel 
     determines that the issues raised in the petition do merit 
     further review by the Chief Counsel, the Chief Counsel shall, 
     not later than 10 days after receipt of the petition, inform 
     the petitioner and the agency that promulgated the proposed 
     rule that the Chief Counsel shall conduct a full review of 
     the certification and proposed rule to which the petition 
     relates under subsection (d).
       ``(d) Full Review.--
       ``(1) Considerations; meeting.--In conducting a full review 
     under this subsection with respect to the certification made 
     under section 605(b), the Chief Counsel shall--
       ``(A) consider--
       ``(i) whether the agency that promulgated the proposed rule 
     correctly determined which small entities will be affected by 
     the proposed rule;
       ``(ii) whether the agency considered adequate economic data 
     to assess whether the proposed rule will have a significant 
     impact on a substantial number of small entities; and
       ``(iii) the economic implications of the proposed rule; and
       ``(B) convene a virtual or in-person meeting between the 
     Chief Counsel, the petitioner, representatives of the agency 
     that promulgated the proposed rule who are determined 
     appropriate by the Chief Counsel, and the Administrator of 
     the Office of Information and Regulatory affairs to--
       ``(i) provide positions and support for those positions 
     regarding the certification of the proposed rule; and
       ``(ii) allow the Chief Counsel to ask questions as the 
     Chief Counsel determines necessary to make a final 
     determination as to the validity of the certification.
       ``(2) Publication.--Not later than 30 days after the date 
     on which the Chief Counsel begins a full review of a 
     certification made with respect to a proposed rule under 
     paragraph (1), the Chief Counsel shall submit to the 
     petitioner and the agency that promulgated the proposed rule, 
     and publish in the Federal Register and on the website of the 
     Office of Advocacy of the Small Business Administration, the 
     results of the review conducted under paragraph (1).
       ``(3) Requirement to perform analyses.--If, after a full 
     review of a certification made with respect to a proposed 
     rule under paragraph (1), the Chief Counsel determines that 
     the proposed rule will, if promulgated, have a significant 
     economic impact on a substantial number of small entities, 
     the agency that promulgated the proposed rule shall perform 
     an initial regulatory flexibility analysis and a final 
     regulatory flexibility analysis for the proposed rule under 
     sections 603 and 604, respectively.
       ``(4) Penalty.--If an agency fails to attend the required 
     meeting under paragraph (1)(B) or in any other way fails to 
     assist the Chief Counsel in a full review under paragraph (1) 
     with respect to a proposed rule of the agency, as determined 
     by the Chief Counsel, the final rule shall not apply to small 
     entities.
       ``(5) Judicial review.--For purposes of judicial review 
     under chapter 7 of this title, a certification made by an 
     agency under section 605(b) for which a petition is filed 
     under subsection (a) shall be considered final agency action 
     as of the date on which the Chief Counsel--
       ``(A) makes a determination under subsection (c)(2) that 
     the issues raised in the petition do not merit further 
     review; or
       ``(B) publishes the results of a full review of the 
     certification under paragraph (1).''.
       (b) Technical and Conforming Amendment.--The table of 
     sections for chapter 6 of title 5, United States Code, is 
     amended by inserting after the item relating to section 605 
     the following:

``605A. Review procedures relating to initial regulatory flexibility 
              analysis certifications.''.

     SEC. 3. PUBLICATION OF GUIDANCE.

       Section 609 of title 5, United States Code, is amended by 
     adding at the end the following:
       ``(f) With respect to any rule that an agency determines is 
     likely to have a significant economic impact on a substantial 
     number of small entities, the head of the agency shall, on 
     regulations.gov or any similar internet website--
       ``(1) publish all guidance documents and other relevant 
     documents, as determined by the agency, including any updated 
     guidance documents that set forth interpretations of the 
     rule; and
       ``(2) allow for comments on the documents described in 
     paragraph (1) to ensure that small entities may access and 
     provide feedback on those documents.''.

     SEC. 4. REVIEW PROCEDURES FOR SECTION 610 PERIODIC REVIEW OF 
                   RULES.

       (a) In General.--Section 610 of title 5, United States 
     Code, is amended--
       (1) in subsection (b)--
       (A) in the matter preceding paragraph (1), by striking 
     ``the following factors'';
       (B) in paragraph (4), by striking ``and'' at the end;
       (C) in paragraph (5), by striking the period at the end and 
     inserting ``; and''; and
       (D) by adding at the end the following:
       ``(6) any indirect costs described in the initial 
     regulatory flexibility analysis under section 603(b)(6), and 
     any other indirect costs that may have arisen during the 10-
     year period described in subsection (a).''; and
       (2) by adding at the end the following:
       ``(d) If an agency fails to conduct a review of a rule as 
     required under this section within the 10-year period 
     described in subsection (a)--
       ``(1) the Chief Counsel for Advocacy of the Small Business 
     Administration shall notify the agency that the rule has 
     ceased to be effective;
       ``(2) the agency shall publish in the Federal Register a 
     notification that the rule has ceased to be effective, and 
     solicit comments for why the rule should be reinstated; and
       ``(3) if, based on the comments received under paragraph 
     (2), the agency determines that the rule should be 
     reinstated--
       ``(A) the agency shall have 180 days beginning on the date 
     of that determination to complete the review of the rule 
     under this section; and
       ``(B) upon completion of the review under subparagraph (A), 
     the rule shall be reinstated, notwithstanding the notice and 
     comment rulemaking procedures under section 553 of this 
     title.''.
       (b) Application.--The amendment made by subsection (a)(2) 
     shall apply with respect to any final rule issued by an 
     agency--
       (1) during the 5-year period preceding the date of 
     enactment of this Act; or
       (2) on or after the date of enactment of this Act.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The bill, as amended, shall be debatable for 
1 hour equally divided and controlled by the Chair and ranking minority 
member of the Committee on the Judiciary or their respective designees.
  After 1 hour of debate on the bill, as amended, it shall be in order 
to consider the further amendment printed in part B of House Report 
118-791, if offered by the Member designated in the report, which shall 
be considered read, shall be separately debatable for the time 
specified in the report equally divided and controlled by the proponent 
and an opponent, and shall not be subject to a demand for a division of 
the question.
  The gentlewoman from Wyoming (Ms. Hageman) and the gentleman from New 
York (Mr. Nadler) each will control 30 minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentlewoman from Wyoming.


                             General Leave

  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members 
may have 5 legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks 
and to insert extraneous material on H.R. 7198.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentlewoman from Wyoming?
  There was no objection.
  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act of 
2024.
  This is an important bipartisan piece of legislation that will help 
small businesses around the country comply with the overwhelming weight 
of Federal regulation.
  It is no secret that small businesses around the United States face 
an uphill battle when complying with Federal regulations. Many 
regulations cause significant economic impacts on these small 
businesses.

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  When small businesses are forced to shoulder the burden of these 
regulations, it results in higher prices at the cash register. It also 
can keep some small businesses out of the market altogether. Rather 
than facing a mountain of regulation and compliance

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costs, some would-be small business owners may never achieve their 
dream of opening a small business.
  Under the Regulatory Flexibility Act, the agencies that make these 
damaging regulations are supposed to take small businesses into account 
when writing the rules. All too often, however, the agencies are out of 
compliance with the RFA's mandates.
  One report actually found that, in 75 percent of the rulemakings, the 
agencies either ignored costs on small businesses, or underestimated 
the regulations costs. H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act of 2024, would 
strengthen the RFA's already-existing provisions and make it so that 
agencies have a much harder time skirting their statutory obligations 
to our country's small businesses.
  The Prove It Act of 2024 allows small businesses to petition the 
Small Business Administration to investigate a rulemaking process when 
a small business owner believes the agency inadequately performed its 
regulatory analysis as required by the RFA. It also authorizes the 
SBA's chief advocacy counsel to independently investigate a rulemaking 
agency's compliance with the RFA. Finally, it creates a penalty for 
rulemaking agencies that failed to comply with the RFA's requirements.
  My colleagues on the other side of the aisle may claim that this bill 
is only an attempt to slow down the agency rulemaking, making it more 
difficult for the Federal Government to oversee the economy. This is 
incorrect.
  There are no provisions in this bill that are designed to slow down 
rulemaking. In fact, the only thing that may slow down an agency's 
rulemaking endeavor is having to fully comply with the law as it is 
already written. The RFA was passed in 1980. Yet, there are still 
agencies which do not take the specific needs of small businesses into 
account when crafting regulations.
  If Federal regulators followed the law as Congress intended, the 
legislation before us would not be necessary. Unfortunately, Federal 
regulators have been delinquent in their obligations to American small 
business owners.
  H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act of 2024, is a bipartisan effort to force 
regulators to comply with existing statutes and consider small business 
owners when crafting legislation.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to support this legislation, and I 
reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act, represents the latest 
effort by Republicans to dismantle the regulatory process, giving well-
resourced special interests a powerful new cudgel to wield against 
regulations, while causing harm to the very small entities the bill 
purports to help.
  This legislation would vest enormous and unreviewable authority over 
agency rules to the chief counsel of the Office of Advocacy within the 
Small Business Administration, a chronically underfunded office that 
has not even had a Senate-confirmed leader since 2017.
  It authorizes the chief counsel, unilaterally and without review, to 
exempt large parts of the business community from proposed rules if he 
or she determines that an agency did not properly consider how a 
proposed rule would affect small entities.
  Not only would this broad and vaguely defined authority apply to 
proposed regulations, but the bill would also charge the chief counsel 
with tracking agencies' completion of mandatory reviews of existing 
rules every 10 years. If they find that an agency failed to conduct the 
required review of the rule, they can simply suspend operation of the 
rule.
  I note that, while this legislation would impose significant new 
burdens on the SBA, it would provide no additional funding to carry out 
these duties, putting a further strain on the agency's ability to 
assist small businesses.
  Our public agencies are responsible for writing rules that protect 
our community from harm. They make sure that the toys our children play 
with are safe. They make sure that the vehicles we drive and the 
buildings we live in are up to code. They make sure that the 
legislation we pass in Congress for tackling issues like climate change 
and public health are implemented as we intend.
  The Prove It Act would grind all of this to a halt. Rules that would 
ban toxic chemicals or take contaminated food out of the market would 
hang in limbo while petitions mount before this single official to 
complete his or her reviews, if he or she can ever complete them at 
all.

  This bill is not about lessening the burden on small businesses. By 
law, agencies already must take small businesses into account. These 
small entities already have power through the Office of Advocacy to 
champion their concerns, so the bill is entirely unnecessary if that 
was truly the purpose of the bill.
  In reality, this bill is about giving big businesses the ability to 
shut down the regulatory process. Any group that merely purports to 
represent small businesses, no matter how large or well-resourced they 
may be, could petition this one official to block a pending rule they 
do not like. There would be no limit to how many times they do this. 
This is a recipe for chaos and dysfunction. That, of course, is the 
point.
  Republicans do not want to empower the agencies that ensure the drugs 
we take are safe, that ensure child car seats protect the most 
vulnerable among us, and that enforce our competition laws to ensure 
that small businesses have a chance to thrive. They want to throw sand 
in the gears of these agencies to ensure that they never issue the 
regulations we depend on to keep us safe.
  This bill would do little to help small businesses, but it could 
prove to be a windfall for powerful companies and special interests. It 
is no surprise, therefore, that this legislation is right out of the 
Project 2025 playbook, which calls for ``supercharging'' the Office of 
Advocacy at the SBA so the entity can ``dismantle extreme regulatory 
policies and advance limited-government reforms.''
  Republicans are so determined to carry out this dismantling of the 
regulatory process that they are even willing to violate their own 
House rules against legislation that will increase mandatory spending, 
ignoring a CBO estimate that the bill would add millions of dollars to 
the deficit.
  We all want to ensure that small businesses can thrive, but this bill 
would not help them. Instead, it would create uncertainty and chaos 
while giving big businesses a new tool to dismantle the regulatory 
process that protects public health and safety and that protects 
consumers from rising costs.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge all Members to oppose this legislation, and I 
reserve the balance of my time.
  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I include in the Record the CBO score for 
this bill.

  H.R. 7198, PROVE IT ACT OF 2024 AS REPORTED BY THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON
                   THE JUDICIARY ON NOVEMBER 22, 2024
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                          By fiscal year, millions of
                                                   dollars--
                                     -----------------------------------
                                         2025      2025-2029   2025-2034
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Direct Spending (Outlays)...........          1           5          10
Revenues............................          *           *          -7
Increase or Decrease (-) in the               1           5          17
 Deficit............................
Spending Subject to Appropriation             6          40         not
 (Outlays)..........................                          estimated
------------------------------------------------------------------------
* = between -$500,000 and zero.

       Increases net direct spending in any of the four 
     consecutive 10-year periods beginning in 2035? < $2.5 
     billion.
       Increases on-budget deficits in any of the four consecutive 
     10-year periods beginning in 2035? < $5 billion.
       Statutory pay-as-you-go procedures apply? Yes.
       Mandate Effects:
       Contains intergovernmental mandate? No.
       Contains private-sector mandate? Yes, under threshold.
       The bill would:
       Allow small businesses, nonprofit organizations, and small 
     local governments to request that the Small Business 
     Administration (SBA) review a certification that a proposed 
     rule would not have a significant economic effect on a 
     substantial number of such small entities
       Require the SBA to declare a rule no longer in effect if 
     the issuing agency fails to review that rule periodically
       Impose mandates on private-sector entities
       Estimated budgetary effects would mainly stem from:
       Requiring some federal agencies to devote staff to meet new 
     analysis and reporting requirements
       Increasing costs for agencies that are funded through 
     annual appropriations to carry out the bill's provisions
       Increasing direct spending and decreasing revenues for 
     several fee-funded, independent

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     agencies and the Federal Reserve System to carry out 
     provisions of the bill
       Bill summary: H.R. 7198 would allow small businesses, 
     nonprofit organizations, and small local governments to 
     request that the Small Business Administration (SBA) review 
     federal agencies' certifications that proposed rules would 
     not significantly affect a substantial number of small 
     entities. The bill would require the SBA to establish a 
     process for reviewing those requests and determining whether 
     certifications merit further review. (Federal agencies 
     currently evaluate proposed rules' economic effects on small 
     entities and either certify that a rule would not 
     significantly affect them or they prepare a detailed 
     regulatory flexibility analysis for the rule. A regulatory 
     flexibility analysis is an assessment of a proposed 
     regulation on small entities.)
       If further review is required, the SBA would consult the 
     rulemaking agency, representatives of the small entities, and 
     the Office of Management and Budget to determine whether, in 
     place of a certification, the rulemaking agency must prepare 
     a regulatory flexibility analysis. If the agency does not 
     complete that process, the final rule would not apply to 
     small entities.
       Additionally, under the bill, if an agency fails to update 
     its analysis of a rule's effect on small entities within 10 
     years of the rule taking effect, as they are required to do 
     under current law, the rule would no longer be in effect. 
     That provision would apply to rules for which agencies should 
     have provided updated analysis within the 5-year period prior 
     to the bill's enactment. Under the bill, a rulemaking agency 
     could seek to reinstate a rule by carrying out a new 
     rulemaking process.
       Estimated Federal cost: The costs of the legislation, 
     detailed in Table 1, fall within multiple budget functions.
       Basis of estimate: For this estimate, CBO assumes that H.R. 
     7198 will be enacted near the end of calendar year 2024, that 
     the estimated amounts will be appropriated in each year, and 
     that outlays will follow historical spending patterns.
       If an agency fails to comply with the bill's requirements, 
     the SBA would determine that the existing or proposed rule is 
     no longer in effect or would not apply to small entities. 
     Because CBO expects that federal agencies would generally 
     comply with the bill's requirements, we estimate that any 
     budgetary effects stemming from that change would be 
     insignificant.
       In addition, CBO estimates that implementing the bill would 
     increase administrative costs for most agencies because they 
     would need additional staff to carry out the bill's 
     provisions.

                                                   TABLE 1.--ESTIMATED BUDGETARY EFFECTS OF H.R. 7198
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                                                                                 By fiscal year, millions of dollars--
                                             -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                                                                         2025-    2025-
                                                2025     2026     2027     2028     2029     2030     2031     2032     2033     2034     2029     2034
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                                                              INCREASES IN DIRECT SPENDING
 
Estimated Budget Authority..................        1        1        1        1        1        1        1        1        1        1        5       10
Estimated Outlays...........................        1        1        1        1        1        1        1        1        1        1        5       10
 
                                                                  DECREASES IN REVENUES
 
Estimated Revenues..........................        *        *        *        *        *       -3       -1       -1       -1       -1        *       -7
 
                                        NET INCREASE IN THE DEFICIT FROM CHANGES IN DIRECT SPENDING AND REVENUES
 
Effect on the Deficit.......................        1        1        1        1        1        4        2        2        2        2        5       17
 
                                                     INCREASES IN SPENDING SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATION
 
Estimated Authorization.....................        8        8        8        9        9     n.e.     n.e.     n.e.     n.e.     n.e.       42     n.e.
Estimated Outlays...........................        6        8        8        9        9     n.e.     n.e.     n.e.     n.e.     n.e.       40     n.e.
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n.e. = not estimated.
* = between -$500,000 and zero.

       Direct spending: The administrative costs of the Consumer 
     Financial Protection Bureau, Federal Deposit Insurance 
     Corporation, National Credit Union Administration (NCUA), and 
     Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), are 
     classified in the budget as direct spending. Two of those 
     agencies, the NCUA and the OCC, collect fees from financial 
     institutions to offset their costs; those fees are treated as 
     reductions in direct spending.
       Using information about the rulemaking activities of those 
     agencies, CBO estimates that the increased administrative 
     workload under H.R. 7198 would increase net direct spending 
     for those independent agencies by $10 million over the 2025-
     2034 period.
       Revenues: H.R. 7198 also would affect revenues by 
     increasing operating costs for the Federal Reserve System, 
     which remits its net earnings to the Treasury; those 
     remittances are classified as revenues in the federal budget. 
     Based on the costs of similar activities, CBO estimates that 
     the increased costs under the bill would reduce revenues by 
     $7 million over the 2025-2034 period.
       Spending subject to appropriation: CBO estimates that 
     implementing H.R. 7198 also would increase spending for 
     agencies that are funded by annual appropriations. CBO 
     estimates that agencies that produce large numbers of rules 
     affecting small entities would need more staff to meet the 
     bill's requirements.
       CBO expects that the agencies most affected by the bill 
     include the Departments of Agriculture, Education, Health and 
     Human Services, Homeland Security, Labor, and Transportation, 
     and the Environmental Protection Agency and Securities and 
     Exchange Commission (SEC). Using information about similar 
     activities, CBO estimates that the administrative costs for 
     federal agencies to implement H.R. 7198 would total $35 
     million over the 2025-2029 period; any related spending would 
     be subject to the availability of appropriated funds.
       Under current law, the SEC is authorized to collect fees 
     sufficient to offset its annual appropriations. Therefore, 
     CBO estimates that the net budgetary effect of that 
     commission's activities to implement H.R. 7198 would be less 
     than $500,000 over the 2025-2029 period, assuming 
     appropriation actions consistent with the commission's 
     authorities.
       Finally, the requirement for the SBA to establish and carry 
     out a process for small entities to request certification 
     review would pose additional costs to that agency. Using 
     information from the SBA, CBO estimates that those 
     administrative costs would total $5 million over the 2025-
     2029 period; any related spending would be subject to the 
     availability of appropriated funds.
       Pay-As-You-Go considerations: The Statutory Pay-As-You-Go 
     Act of 2010 establishes budget-reporting and enforcement 
     procedures for legislation affecting direct spending or 
     revenues. The net changes in outlays and revenues that are 
     subject to those pay-as-you-go procedures are shown in Table 
     1.
       Increase in long-term net direct spending and deficits: CBO 
     estimates that enacting H.R. 7198 would not increase net 
     direct spending by more than $2.5 billion in any of the four 
     consecutive 10-year periods beginning in 2035.
       CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 7198 would not increase 
     on-budget deficits by more than $5 billion in any of the four 
     consecutive 10-year periods beginning in 2035.
       Mandates: If federal financial regulators increase annual 
     fees to offset the costs of implementing the bill, H.R. 7198 
     would increase the costs of an existing private-sector 
     mandate on entities required to pay those fees. CBO estimates 
     that the incremental cost of the mandate would be small and 
     would fall well below the annual threshold established in the 
     Unfunded Mandates Reform Act (UMRA) for private-sector 
     mandates ($200 million in 2024, adjusted annually for 
     inflation).
       The bill contains no intergovernmental mandates as defined 
     in UMRA.
       Previous CBO estimate: On December x, 2024, CBO transmitted 
     a cost estimate for H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act of 2024, as 
     ordered reported by the House Committee on Small Business on 
     September 10, 2024. The two pieces of legislation are 
     similar, and CBO's estimates of their budgetary effects are 
     the same.
       Estimate prepared by: Federal Costs: Julia Aman (for the 
     Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the National Credit 
     Union Administration, and the Office of the Comptroller of 
     the Currency), David Hughes (for the Consumer Financial 
     Protection Bureau), Aurora Swanson (for the Small Business 
     Administration and for federal agencies funded by annual 
     appropriations); Revenues: Nathaniel Frentz; Mandates: Rachel 
     Austin.
       Estimate reviewed by: Justin Humphrey, Chief, Finance, 
     Housing, and Education Cost Estimates Unit; Kathleen 
     FitzGerald, Chief, Public and Private Mandates Unit; 
     Christina Hawley Anthony, Deputy Director of Budget Analysis.
       Estimate approved by: Phillip L. Swagel, Director, 
     Congressional Budget Office.

  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from 
Minnesota (Mr. Finstad).
  Mr. FINSTAD. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of my bipartisan legislation, 
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It Act, which gives small businesses a seat at the table during the 
regulatory process and shields them from the most heavyhanded, one-
size-fits-all regulations.
  Government red tape has made it harder and more costly for Americans 
to start a business. For many, this hinders their opportunity to 
achieve the American Dream. For too long, D.C. bureaucrats have abused 
their power, trampling over the small businesses, which are the 
backbone of our communities.
  Simply put, the Prove It Act gives teeth to the already-existing law, 
the Regulatory Flexibility Act, which is often ignored by Federal 
agencies in pursuit of their own political agenda.
  Under RFA, agencies are required to complete an initial and final 
analysis of their regulations and certify that they will not have a 
significant impact on a substantial number of small entities. 
Unfortunately, in many cases, agencies have failed to meet the 
standards set out by the RFA and, in turn, have left our small business 
owners with the short end of the stick.
  Throughout the last 4 years, the Biden-Harris administration has 
improperly certified dozens of regulations as not having a significant 
impact on a substantial number of small businesses.
  Moreover, according to the American Action Forum, since 2009, Federal 
regulations have cost American taxpayers and businessowners $2.3 
trillion to comply with them and have added 985 million hours of 
paperwork for our small businesses to shoulder. The Biden 
administration alone has accounted for $1.8 trillion of these costs and 
over 340 million paperwork hours.
  With these compliance costs and paperwork hours skyrocketing, the 
Prove It Act is more important now than ever. Specifically, the Prove 
It Act will require Federal agencies to analyze both the direct and 
indirect costs their regulations would have on our small entities, 
create a way for small businesses to petition their chief advocate in 
government to review agencies' work and to make them prove that they 
are fully compliant with already-existing laws. If agencies fail to 
comply with the review process, small businesses would be exempt from 
the regulations in question.
  Moreover, the bill ensures that small businesses can easily access 
preexisting guidance documents via regulations.gov. If agencies failed 
to perform an already-required 10-year retrospective review, the 
regulations would be nullified, giving teeth to this requirement that 
currently is in statute.
  Mr. Speaker, I include in the Record letters of support from the 
National Federation of Independent Business; Job Creators Network; 
National Stone, Sand & Gravel Association; National Association of 
Insurance and Financial Advisors; a coalition letter on Regulatory 
Flexibility Act reform signed by over 45 national associations; and a 
May 21, 2024, letter from numerous Chambers of Commerce.


                                                         NFIB,

                                 Washington, DC, February 1, 2024.
     Hon. Brad Finstad,
     U.S. House of Representatives,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Representative Finstad: On behalf of NFIB, the 
     nation's leading small business advocacy organization, I 
     write in support of the Prove It Act. This legislation would 
     strengthen the requirements for agencies to analyze the 
     impact of regulations on small businesses and increase small 
     business engagement in the regulatory process.
       NFIB members annually rate ``unreasonable government 
     regulation'' as one of the top concerns facing small 
     businesses. Unfortunately, the red tape and compliance 
     burdens of small businesses continue to grow exponentially. 
     According to a recent analysis, the total cost of federal 
     regulations in 2022 was $3.079 trillion. The study found that 
     the average U.S. company pays roughly $13,000 per employee to 
     comply with federal regulations.
       The pace of regulation has significantly increased over the 
     last three years. As of January 26, 2024, President Biden had 
     imposed more than $454 billion of final rule costs and 279 
     million paperwork hours. These regulatory costs are massive. 
     However, they pale in comparison to the proposed $616 billion 
     of regulatory costs and 191 million paperwork hours that are 
     under development by the administration.
       Small businesses often do not have compliance officers or 
     lawyers to help navigate these massive new regulatory 
     burdens. And existing laws like the Regulatory Flexibility 
     Act (RFA) were enacted to minimize the disproportionate 
     impact that federal regulations have on small businesses. 
     However, as NFIB's 2023 found, agencies use loopholes in the 
     RFA to underreport, minimize, or ignore the impact of 
     regulations on small businesses.
       This circumvention of the RFA is unacceptable and small 
     businesses ultimately pay the regulatory price in forgone 
     growth and opportunity. That is why legislation like the 
     Prove It Act is so important. The Prove It Act seeks to 
     address the loopholes in the RFA by increasing small business 
     input in the regulatory process and strengthening the 
     requirements for agencies to examine the impacts of 
     regulations on small businesses.
       NFIB supports the Prove It Act and urges Congress to 
     promptly enact this legislation. Small businesses appreciate 
     your continued leadership to reduce onerous regulatory 
     burdens and red tape.
           Sincerely,
                                                      Josh McLeod,
     Director, Federal Government Relations NFIB.
                                  ____



                                                          JCN,

                                      Addison, TX, March 20, 2024.
     Hon. Jim Jordan,
     Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary,
     House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
     Hon. Jerrold Nadler,
     Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary,
     House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
       Dear Chairman Jordan, Ranking Member Nadler, and Members of 
     the Committee: In advance of the Judiciary Committee's markup 
     tomorrow, the Job Creators Network expresses its strong 
     support for the ``Prove it Act of 2024.'' JCN urges the 
     Committee to pass this bipartisan legislation that would 
     ensure federal agencies conduct meaningful reviews of the 
     burden proposed rules would have on small business and hold 
     them accountable if they do not.
       JCN is a nonpartisan organization founded by entrepreneurs 
     who believe that many government policies are getting in the 
     way of the economic freedom that helped make this country 
     prosperous.
       JCN provides business leaders and entrepreneurs with the 
     tools to become the voice of free enterprise in the media, in 
     Congress, in state capitals, in their communities, and their 
     workplaces--allowing them to hold politicians accountable to 
     job creators and their employees.
       The ``Prove it Act of 2024'' would help shield small 
     businesses from executive overreach and provide Main Street 
     with important tools to help contend with government 
     overregulation.
       According to the U.S. Small Business Administration's 
     Office of Advocacy small businesses employ almost half--46.4 
     percent--of America's employees. Truly America's job 
     creators, small businesses accounted for 62.7 percent of net 
     new jobs from 1995 to 2021.
       Despite their significant contributions to our nation's 
     economy, small business owners get the short end of the stick 
     when it comes to regulation--one size does not fit all.
       It is well-documented that small business owners are 
     disproportionately negatively impacted by regulation as 
     compared to big businesses.
       When it comes to regulation, it is important to remember 
     that seventy-nine percent of small businesses have fewer than 
     ten employees. Firms with fewer than ten employees do not 
     employ attorneys, accountants, or human resource 
     professionals. If they are lucky, they have someone to manage 
     sales. As a practical matter that means that it is the small 
     business owner who is tasked with those duties, many of which 
     involve regulatory compliance.
       Moreover, it is well-documented that small business owners 
     spend more on regulation than larger businesses. Businesses 
     with fewer than fifty employees pay $14,700 per employee, as 
     compared to $13,890 per employee for medium-sized businesses, 
     and $12,200 per employee for large businesses.
       Despite these realities, increasingly we see federal 
     regulators view their legal obligation to assess small 
     business impact of new regulations as nothing more than a 
     ``check the box'' exercise. According to an investigation 
     conducted by the House Committee on Small Business, many 
     government agencies in Washington are ``failing to properly 
     implement'' statutes intended to shield small businesses from 
     overburdensome regulations.
       For example, the Army Corps of Engineers has twice 
     certified as not significantly impacting small businesses its 
     proposal to redefine ``waters of the United States'' in a way 
     that would require millions of landowners to get a federal 
     permit before doing things as simple as moving mulch. 
     Similarly, the Department of Labor had the audacity to 
     certify its recent regulation that effectively converts most 
     independent contractors into employees as a mandate with 
     little impact on small business. These are just two of many 
     examples where federal bureaucrats are not following the 
     letter and spirit of the Regulatory Flexibility Act when it 
     comes to protecting small businesses from one-size-fits-all 
     regulation.
       The ``Prove it Act of 2024'' fulfills a key pillar of the 
     Job Creators Network's American Small Business Prosperity 
     Plan--an eight-point policy blueprint--by reducing the 
     regulatory burden on small businesses.
       The ``Prove it Act of 2024'' would bolster existing law 
     that federal agencies have been side-stepping at the expense 
     of small businesses. It would hold agencies accountable by 
     providing a meaningful opportunity for small businesses to 
     challenge an agency certification that a proposed regulation 
     would not impact a substantial number of small entities. And 
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     from any rule in which an agency fails to follow the law.
       Small business regulatory protections are in dire need of 
     restoration. Passage of the ``Prove it Act of 2024'' would be 
     a step in the right direction. We commend the Committee for 
     marking up this important legislation and urge its passage. 
     It is time for our elected leaders in Washington to 
     prioritize Main Street.
                                                    Alfredo Ortiz,
     CEO, Job Creators Network.
                                  ____



                                                        NSSGA,

                                Alexandria, VA, February 29, 2024.
     Hon. Brian Finstad,
     U.S. Congressman,
     Washington, DC.
     Hon. Yadira Caraveo,
     U.S. Congresswoman,
     Washington, DC.
     Hon. Nathaniel Moran,
     U.S. Congressman,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Congressman Finstad, Congresswoman Caraveo, and 
     Congressman Moran: I am writing on behalf of the over 400 
     members of the National Stone, Sand & Gravel Association 
     (NSSGA), to express our strong support for the bipartisan 
     Prove It Act that you recently introduced. The aggregates 
     industry, like many others, has faced considerable challenges 
     due to the increasing complexity and scope of federal 
     regulations. These regulations often impose substantial 
     direct and indirect costs on small businesses, which unlike 
     larger entities, lack the resources to navigate these 
     regulatory burdens effectively.
       NSSGA represents the aggregates industry, including 
     thousands of quarries, sand and gravel operations, and other 
     related businesses nationwide. NSSGA members conduct over 
     9,000 operations and employ over 100,000 citizens to create 
     2.5 billion tons of aggregates each year. These raw materials 
     are essential to rebuild and repair our country's aging 
     infrastructure and assist our nation's goals in lowering the 
     overall energy cost for families.
       The Prove It Act represents a significant step forward in 
     ensuring that small businesses, including those within the 
     aggregates sector, are not unduly burdened by regulations 
     that can stifle innovation, reduce job creation, and hamper 
     economic growth. By requiring federal agencies to analyze the 
     impact of their regulations on small entities and limit these 
     impacts, the legislation aligns with our longstanding 
     commitment to sensible, balanced regulatory frameworks that 
     protect the environment and public safety without imposing 
     unnecessary costs on businesses.
       Moreover, the Act's provisions for creating mechanisms for 
     small businesses to raise concerns and request reviews are 
     especially important. These measures provide a vital avenue 
     for our members to ensure that regulations are fair, 
     transparent, and consider the unique challenges faced by 
     small businesses. Ensuring easy access to guidance documents 
     and direct communication channels with regulators will also 
     greatly benefit small businesses by reducing compliance 
     uncertainty and fostering a more cooperative regulatory 
     environment.
       We thank you for your leadership and commitment to 
     protecting small businesses from overbearing regulations. The 
     Prove It Act will help ensure that federal agencies fully 
     consider the impact of their actions on small entities, 
     promoting a healthier business environment and supporting the 
     vital contributions of small businesses to our national 
     economy.
       We look forward to the passage of this important 
     legislation and stand ready to support its implementation to 
     ensure that it delivers meaningful benefits to the aggregates 
     industry and all small businesses across the country.
           Sincerely,

                                              Michele Stanley,

                                      Executive Vice President and
     Chief Advocacy Officer.
                                  ____



                                                        NAIFA,

                                  Arlington, VA, February 5, 2024.
     Hon. Brad Finstad,
     House of Representatives,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Representative Finstad: On behalf of the National 
     Association of Insurance and Financial Advisors (``NAIFA''), 
     I write in support of the Prove It Act. This legislation 
     would strengthen the requirements for agencies to analyze the 
     impact of regulations on insurance producers, registered 
     representatives of broker-dealers, and financial advisors.
       Founded in 1890 as The National Association of Life 
     Underwriters, NAIFA is the oldest, largest, and most 
     prestigious association representing the interests of 
     financial professionals from every Congressional district in 
     the United States. Our mission--empowering financial 
     professionals and consumers with world-class advocacy and 
     education--is the reason NAIFA has consistently and 
     resoundingly stood up for agents and called upon members to 
     grow their knowledge while following the highest ethical 
     standards in the industry.
       NAIFA members are Main Street financial professionals. 
     NAIFA members--comprised primarily of insurance agents, many 
     of whom are also registered Broker-Dealer representatives--
     serve primarily middle-market clients, including individuals 
     and small businesses. Nine out of ten NAIFA members report 
     serving middle-income individuals and families and 67 percent 
     work with small businesses. A typical client's annual 
     household income falls below $150,000 for 69 percent of NAIFA 
     members. In some cases, our members are the only financial 
     advisor across multiple counties.
       NAIFA members are also small business owners. Many of our 
     members work in small firms--sometimes firms of one--with 
     little administrative or back-office support. Often, their 
     business practices are dictated by the broker-dealer with 
     whom they work, including the format and provision of client 
     forms and disclosures. They are also subject to transaction-
     level oversight and review by the broker-dealer.
       The Prove It Act would require federal agencies to consider 
     reasonably foreseeable indirect future costs of their 
     proposed federal regulations as part of their Initial 
     Regulatory Flexibility Analysis, where feasible. The proposed 
     legislation also creates a process whereby small businesses 
     and organizations representing small business can ask the 
     Small Business Administration's Office of Advocacy to 
     formally review a federal agency's certification that a 
     proposed regulatory rule will not have a significant economic 
     impact on a substantial number of small entities under the 
     Regulatory Flexibility Act (RFA). This ensures small 
     businesses will be able to raise concerns that a rule was 
     improperly certified and have a third-party review and 
     determine whether certification was proper.
       The Prove It Act would also require that, for any guidance 
     document or other relevant documents clarifying or 
     interpreting any rule found by agencies to likely have a 
     significant economic impact on a substantial number of small 
     entities, agencies shall publish said documents, as 
     determined by the agency, to Regulations.gov or similar 
     website and allow for comments to ensure small businesses can 
     both easily access the resources and provide feedback or 
     request additional clarity where needed.
       The regulatory burden on insurance producers, registered 
     representatives of broker-dealers, and financial advisors is 
     often put in place without proper discussion or concern for 
     the negative impact on the ability to conduct business or 
     properly serve clients and consumers. Additionally, federal 
     regulators often work to circumnavigate the RFA, which leads 
     to a loss of growth and opportunity for these small 
     businesses that represent Main Street America and make up an 
     integral part of the community in which they work. That is 
     why legislation like the Prove It Act is so important. The 
     Prove It Act seeks to address the loopholes in the RFA by 
     increasing small business input in the regulatory process and 
     strengthening the requirements for agencies to examine the 
     impacts of regulations on small businesses.
       NAIFA offers its full support to the Prove It Act and urges 
     Congress to promptly enact this legislation. Insurance 
     Producers, the registered representatives of broker-dealers, 
     and financial advisors appreciate your continued leadership 
     to reduce unnecessary regulatory burdens and to allow these 
     vital insurance professionals to continue to serve the best 
     interest of their clients.
           Sincerely,
     Michael W. Hedge, Jr.
       Senior Director, Government Relations, National Association 
     of Insurance and Financial Advisors.
                                                September 5, 2024.
     Hon. Roger Williams,
     Chairman, Committee on Small Business,
     House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
     Hon. Nydia Velazquez,
     Ranking Member, Committee on Small Business,
     House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
       Dear Chairman Williams and Ranking Member Velazquez:  On 
     behalf of millions of small businesses across the country, we 
     write to thank you for prioritizing legislation to provide 
     regulatory relief and reduce red tape for small businesses. 
     We urge the Committee to advance legislation to strengthen 
     the Regulatory Flexibility Act (RFA) and ensure the intent of 
     the law is fulfilled.
       Small businesses are concerned with the unprecedented pace 
     of regulations coming from Washington. Over the last three 
     and a half years, more than $1.6 trillion in new regulatory 
     costs and almost 300 million new paperwork hours have been 
     imposed on the private sector. These new burdens fall 
     disproportionately on small businesses that do not have 
     lawyers and compliance officers to navigate complex 
     regulatory issues.
       In 1980, President Carter and Congress recognized the 
     disproportionate impact of federal regulations on small 
     businesses and unanimously approved the Regulatory 
     Flexibility Act (RFA). The RFA sought to minimize the burdens 
     on small businesses. However, in the 40-plus years since the 
     RFA became law, agencies have found ways to disregard or 
     avoid many of the requirements. In 2023, NFIB analyzed the 
     Small Business Administration (SBA) Office of Advocacy's 
     comment letters to federal agencies from January 2021 to 
     January 2023 and found significant noncompliance with the 
     RFA. Advocacy highlighted 28 instances where agencies failed 
     to adequately examine the economic costs of regulations. 
     Advocacy noted that agencies often improperly certify that 
     rules will not have a significant economic impact on a 
     substantial number of small entities. By doing so, agencies 
     disregard the intent of the RFA, leaving small businesses 
     subject to the one-size-fits-all regulatory environment the 
     RFA sought to remedy.

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       The House Committee on Small Business recently issued a 
     staff report examining agency compliance with the RFA. The 
     Committee found that most agencies are failing to properly 
     comply with the RFAs requirements and live up to the spirit 
     of the law. These findings mirror the conclusions of NFIB's 
     2023 White Paper and highlight the need to close loopholes to 
     ensure the intent of the RFA is fulfilled.
       In response to these findings, the Committee has 
     prioritized several legislative proposals to strengthen the 
     RFA. One proposal, the bipartisan Prove It Act, would 
     increase small business input in the regulatory process and 
     ensure agencies are fully accounting for the impact of 
     regulations on small businesses. Other proposals would 
     increase the transparency and accountability of the 
     regulatory process for small businesses.
       On behalf of millions of small businesses, thank you for 
     your attention to the disproportionate impact of regulations 
     on small entities. We appreciate the Committee's focus on 
     ensuring the intent of the RFA is fulfilled through 
     legislation like H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act. We urge 
     Congress to take swift action to reduce red tape for small 
     businesses.
           Sincerely,
       Alliance for Chemical Distribution, American Bakers 
     Association, American Bankers Association, American Chemistry 
     Council, American Craft Spirits Association, American 
     Exploration & Mining Association, American Hotel & Lodging 
     Association, American Farm Bureau Federation, American Road & 
     Transportation Builders Association, American Short Line and 
     Regional Railroad Association, American Waterways Operators, 
     Associated Builders and Contractors, Associated Equipment 
     Distributors, Associated General Contractors of America, Can 
     Manufacturers Institute, Energy Workforce & Technology 
     Council, Independent Community Bankers of America, 
     International Franchise Association, International Wood 
     Products Association, Job Creators Network, National Asphalt 
     Pavement Association.
       National Association of Convenience Stores, National 
     Association of Insurance and Financial Advisors, National 
     Association of Manufacturers, National Association of 
     Realtors, National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors, 
     National Cattlemen's Beef Association, National Federation of 
     Independent Business, National Fisheries Institute, National 
     Funeral Directors Association, National Grocers Association, 
     National Lumber & Building Material Dealers Association, 
     National Mining Association, National Pork Producers Council, 
     National Propane Gas Association, National Retail Federation, 
     National Roofing Contractors Association, National Rural 
     Electric Cooperative Association, National Small Business 
     Association, National Stone Sand & Gravel Association, North 
     American Association of Food Equipment Manufacturers, Owner-
     Operator Independent Drivers Association, Plumbing-Heating-
     Cooling Contractors--National Association, Precision Machined 
     Products Association, PRINTING United Alliance, The Meat 
     Institute, The Toy Association, Treated Wood Council, U.S. 
     Chamber of Commerce, USA Rice.
                                  ____

                                                     May 21, 2024.
       To the Members of the United States House of 
     Representatives: The undersigned chambers of commerce 
     strongly support H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act of 2024, and 
     urge the House to consider this important legislation.
       This bipartisan bill was introduced by Representatives Brad 
     Finstad, Nathaniel Moran, and Yadira Caraveo and is co-
     sponsored by Representatives Mike Gallagher, Harriett 
     Hageman, Maria Salazar, David Valadao, and Carol Miller. H.R. 
     7198 was reported by the Judiciary Committee in March and 
     would be a major step forward for small businesses that are 
     harmed by excessive federal regulations.
       American small business owners are job creators and 
     innovators. While their contributions to their communities 
     and to the American economy are enormous, they bear an 
     unreasonably heavy burden when it comes to regulatory costs. 
     The annual cost of complying with federal regulations has 
     risen by $465 billion since 2012 and now totals over $3 
     trillion (12 percent of U.S. GDP). The per employee cost of 
     $12,800 for small businesses is 20 percent greater than the 
     cost per employee at their larger competitors.
       The Regulatory Flexibility Act--passed 44-years ago--was 
     intended to correct the lopsided burden on small business and 
     require that regulators tailor rules to meet government 
     objectives while minimizing the burden on small businesses. 
     Unfortunately, federal agencies too often exploit loopholes 
     in the law to hide costs imposed on Main Street businesses 
     and to ignore their feedback.
       The Prove it Act of 2024 would close those loopholes and 
     bring more transparency to the true costs of red tape on 
     America's innovators, job creators, and community builders. 
     The bill would also prevent agencies from ignoring small 
     business input in their rush to finalize new federal 
     regulations.
       We urge expeditious House consideration of H.R. 7198, the 
     Prove it Act.
           Sincerely,
       Alabama:
       Chandler Chamber of Commerce, Coastal Alabama Business 
     Chamber, Enterprise Chamber of Commerce, Mobile Chamber, 
     Prattville Area Chamber of Commerce, SouthWest Mobile County 
     Chamber of Commerce.
       Alaska:
       Alaska Chamber, Greater Fairbanks Chamber of Commerce, The 
     Greater Juneau Chamber of Commerce.
       Arizona:
       Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Buckeye Valley 
     Chamber of Commerce, Carefree Cave Creek Chamber of Commerce, 
     Greater Flagstaff Chamber of Commerce, Greater Phoenix 
     Chamber, Mesa Chamber of Commerce, Nogales Santa Cruz County 
     Chamber of Commerce, Northwest Valley Chamber of Commerce, 
     Peoria Chamber of Commerce, Prescott Valley Chamber of 
     Commerce, Queen Creek Chamber of Commerce, Scottsdale Area 
     Chamber of Commerce, Southwest Valley Chamber, Springerville-
     Eagar Regional Chamber of Commerce, Tucson Metro Chamber, 
     West Valley Chamber of Commerce Alliance, Wickenburg Chamber 
     of Commerce, Yuma County Chamber of Commerce.
       Arkansas:
       AR State Chamber/AIA, Holiday Island Chamber of Commerce, 
     Little Rock Regional Chamber, Rogers-Lowell Chamber of 
     Commerce.
       California
       Anaheim Chamber of Commerce, Brea Chamber of Commerce, 
     California Chamber of Commerce, Carlsbad Chamber of Commerce, 
     Chatsworth Porter Ranch Chamber of Commerce, Chino Valley 
     Chamber of Commerce, Colusa County Chamber of Commerce, 
     Greater Bakersfield Chamber, Greater Coachella Valley Chamber 
     of Commerce, Greater Conejo Valley Chamber of Commerce, 
     Greater Grass Valley Chamber of Commerce, Greater Irvine 
     Chamber of Commerce, La Mesa Chamber of Commerce, Laguna 
     Hills Chamber of Commerce, Lodi District Chamber of Commerce, 
     Murrieta/Wildomar Chamber of Commerce, Newport Beach Chamber 
     of Commerce, North San Diego Business Chamber, Oceanside 
     Chamber of Commerce, Palm Desert Area Chamber of Commerce, 
     Palos Verdes Peninsula Chamber of Commerce, Rancho Cordova 
     Area Chamber of Commerce, San Diego Regional Chamber of 
     Commerce, San Juan Capistrano Chamber of Commerce, Santa 
     Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce, Santee Chamber of 
     Commerce, South Bay Association of Chambers of Commerce, 
     Tracy Chamber of Commerce, West Ventura County Business 
     Alliance, Yorba Linda Chamber of Commerce.
       Colorado:
       Vail Valley Partnership.
       Florida:
       Coral Gables Chamber of Commerce, Daytona Regional Chamber 
     of Commerce, Lakeland Chamber of Commerce, St. Johns County 
     Chamber of Commerce, Visitor Information Center, The Greater 
     Boca Raton Chamber of Commerce, Venice Area Chamber of 
     Commerce.
       Georgia:
        Barrow County Chamber of Commerce, Inc., Cobb County 
     Chamber of Commerce, Fayette County Chamber of Commerce, 
     Habersham County Chamber of Commerce, Jackson County Area 
     Chamber of Commerce, Murray County Chamber of Commerce, 
     Newton Chamber of Commerce.
       Hawaii:
       Chamber of Commerce Hawaii, Kapolei Chamber of Commerce, 
     Kauai Filipino Chamber of Commerce.
       Idaho:
       Twin Falls Area Chamber of Commerce.
       Illinois:
       Chamber630, Edwardsville/Glen Carbon Chamber of Commerce, 
     GLMV Chamber of Commerce, Illinois Chamber of Commerce, Oak 
     Lawn Chamber of Commerce, Quad Cities Chamber of Commerce, 
     RiverBend Growth Association, Sauk Valley Area Chamber of 
     Commerce, The Greater Springfield Chamber of Commerce, 
     Western DuPage Chamber of Commerce.
       Indiana:
       Greater Lawrence Chamber of Commerce, Indiana Chamber of 
     Commerce, South Bend Regional Chamber of Commerce, Wayne 
     County Area Chamber of Commerce.
       Iowa:
       Cedar Rapids Metro Economic Alliance, Dubuque Area Chamber 
     of Commerce, Iowa Association of Business and Industry.
       Kansas:
       Goddard Chamber of Commerce, Greater Topeka Chamber, 
     Parsons Chamber of Commerce.
       Kentucky:
       Greater Louisville, Inc., Paducah Area Chamber of Commerce.
       Louisiana:
       Central Louisiana Regional Chamber of Commerce, Greenwood 
     Chamber of Commerce, St. Tammany Chamber of Commerce, West 
     Baton Rouge Chamber of Commerce.
       Maine:
       Boothbay Harbor Region Chamber of Commerce.
       Maryland:
       Maryland Chamber of Commerce, Salisbury Area Chamber of 
     Commerce, Talbot County Chamber of Commerce, Washington 
     County Chamber of Commerce.
       Massachusetts:
       Blackstone Valley Chamber of Commerce, Metro South Chamber 
     of Commerce, Peabody Area Chamber of Commerce, United 
     Regional Chamber of Commerce.
       Michigan:
       Barry County Chamber and Economic Development Alliance, 
     Cadillac Area Chamber of Commerce, Detroit Regional Chamber, 
     Grand Rapids Chamber, Hartland Area Chamber of Commerce, 
     Lansing Regional

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     Chamber of Commerce, Michigan Chamber of Commerce, Michigan 
     West Coast Chamber of Commerce, North Oakland Regional 
     Chambers Association, Southwest Michigan Regional Chamber of 
     Commerce, Three Rivers Area Chamber of Commerce.
       Minnesota:
       Albert Lea-Freeborn County Chamber of Commerce, Austin Area 
     Chamber of Commerce, Brainerd Lakes Chamber of Commerce, 
     Cannon Falls Area Chamber of Commerce, Eden Prairie Chamber 
     of Commerce, FORWARD Worthington, Glenwood Lakes Area Chamber 
     of Commerce, Greater Mankato Growth, Greater Stillwater 
     Chamber of Commerce, 1-94 West Chamber of Commerce, Lonsdale 
     Area Chamber of Commerce. Marshall Area Chamber of Commerce, 
     Minnesota Chamber of Commerce, Princeton Area Chamber of 
     Commerce & Tourism, Rochester Area Chamber of Commerce, 
     Shakopee Area Chamber of Commerce, SouthWest Metro Chamber 
     of Commerce, St. Cloud Area Chamber of Commerce, Tracy 
     Area Chamber, Willmar Lakes Area Chamber of Commerce, 
     Windom Area Chamber of Commerce, Winona Area Chamber of 
     Commerce.
       Mississippi:
       Hancock County Chamber of Commerce.
       Montana:
       Billings Chamber of Commerce, Glasgow Area Chamber of 
     Commerce & Agriculture, Inc., Missoula Area Chamber of 
     Commerce, Montana Chamber of Commerce.
       Nebraska:
       Grand Island Area Chamber of Commerce, Kearney Area Chamber 
     of Commerce Nebraska Chamber of Commerce, North Platte Area 
     Chamber & Development Corporation, Washington County Chamber 
     of Commerce.
       Nevada:
       Carson City Chamber of Commerce, Henderson Chamber of 
     Commerce, Reno + Sparks Chamber of Commerce Vegas Chamber, 
     White Pine Chamber of Commerce.
       New Hampshire:
       Business & Industry Association New Hampshire.
       New Jersey:
       New Jersey State Chamber of Commerce, The African American 
     Chamber of Commerce of New Jersey.
       New York:
       Capital Region Chamber of Commerce, North Country Chamber 
     of Commerce, Sullivan County Chamber of Commerce, The 
     Business Council of NYS, Inc.
       North Carolina:
       Alamance Chamber of Commerce, Charlotte Regional Business 
     Alliance, Greater Mount Airy Chamber of Commerce, Mint Hill 
     Chamber of Commerce, Moore County Chamber of commerce NC 
     Chamber, The Caldwell Chamber.
       North Dakota:
       Greater North Dakota Chamber, The Chamber Grand Forks-East 
     Grand Forks, Williston Area Chamber of Commerce.
       Ohio:
       Chillicothe Ross Chamber of Commerce, Huber Heights Chamber 
     of Commerce, Ohio Chamber of Commerce, Toledo Regional 
     Chamber of Commerce, Troy Area Chamber of Commerce, 
     Zanesville-Muskingum County Chamber of Commerce.
       Oklahoma:
       State Chamber of Oklahoma, Tulsa Regional Chamber of 
     Commerce.
       Oregon:
       Albany Area Chamber of Commerce, Bend Chamber of Commerce, 
     Canby Area Chamber of Commerce, Gresham Area Chamber of 
     Commerce, Lake County Chamber of Commerce, Oregon Business & 
     Industry, Oregon State Chamber of Commerce, Roseburg Area 
     Chamber of Commerce, Salem Area Chamber of Commerce, The 
     Dalles Area Chamber of Commerce, Washington County Chamber of 
     Commerce.
       Pennsylvania:
       Alle Kiski Strong Chamber, Blair County Chamber of 
     Commerce, Chamber of Business and Industry of Centre County, 
     Columbia Montour Chamber of Commerce, Greater Latrobe-Laurel 
     Valley Regional Chamber of Commerce, Hanover Area Chamber of 
     Commerce, Harrisburg Regional Chamber & CREDC, Huntingdon 
     County Chamber of Commerce, Indian Valley Chamber of 
     Commerce, Lancaster Chamber of Commerce and Industry, 
     Pennsylvania Chamber of Business and Industry, Schuylkill 
     Chamber of Commerce, Somerset County Chamber of Commerce, 
     Southern Chester County Chamber of Commerce, TriCounty Area 
     Chamber of Commerce, Venango Area Chamber of Commerce, 
     Williamsport/Lycoming Chamber of Commerce, York County 
     Economic Alliance.
       Rhode Island:
       Greater Newport Chamber of Commerce.
       South Carolina:
       Anderson Area Chamber of Commerce, Berkeley Chamber of 
     Commerce, Charleston Metro Chamber of Commerce, Greater 
     Hartsville Chamber of Commerce, Hilton Head Island-Bluffton 
     Chamber of Commerce, South Carolina Chamber of Commerce
       South Dakota:
       South Dakota Chamber of Commerce and Industry.
       Tennessee:
       Lawrence County Chamber of Commerce, Tennessee Chamber of 
     Commerce and Industry.
       Texas:
       Cedar Park Chamber of Commerce, Cuero Chamber of Commerce, 
     Agriculture & Visitors Center, Denison Area Chamber of 
     Commerce, Gainesville Area Chamber of Commerce, Greater Waco 
     Chamber, Kaufman Chamber of Commerce, Kilgore Area Chamber of 
     Commerce, Longview TX Chamber of Commerce, Metrocrest Chamber 
     of Commerce, Nacogdoches County Chamber of Commerce, North 
     Texas Commission, Rowlett Chamber of Commerce, Texas 
     Association of Business, United Corpus Christi Chamber of 
     Commerce.
       Utah:
       Cedar City Chamber of Commerce, ChamberWest Chamber of 
     Commerce, Davis Chamber of Commerce, Salt Lake Chamber, South 
     Valley Chamber of Commerce, Utah Pacific IsLander Chamber.
        Virginia:
       Central Fairfax Chamber of Commerce, Hampton Roads Chamber, 
     Loudoun County Chamber of Commerce, Virginia Chamber of 
     Commerce.
       Washington:
       Burlington Chamber of Commerce, Covington Chamber of 
     Commerce, Economic Alliance Snohomish County, Greater Lake 
     Stevens Chamber of Commerce, Mercer Island Chamber of 
     Commerce, Thurston County Chamber of Commerce.
       Wisconsin:
       Beaver Dam Area Chamber of Commerce, Heart of Wisconsin 
     Chamber of Commerce, Rice Lake Area Chamber of Commerce, 
     Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce.
       Wyoming:
       Campbell County Chamber of Commerce, Greater Cheyenne 
     Chamber of Commerce, Jackson Hole Chamber of Commerce, Lander 
     Chamber of Commerce, Rock Springs Chamber of Commerce, 
     Wyoming State Chamber of Commerce.

  Mr. FINSTAD. Mr. Speaker, the Prove It Act gives the hardworking 
American small businesses a voice in the regulatory process. It is time 
that we strengthen and empower our small business community rather than 
force them to comply with unnecessary and burdensome regulations.
  Mr. Speaker, I thank Representative Caraveo and Representative Moran 
for partnering with me on this important legislation, and I urge all of 
my colleagues to vote in support of the Prove It Act.
  Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from 
Texas (Mrs. Lee Carter), the newest Member of the Judiciary Committee, 
proudly carrying on her mother's legacy.
  Mrs. LEE CARTER. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me 
time.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act of 
2024, a bill that would vest the chief counsel of the Office of 
Advocacy within the Small Business Administration, which has been 
chronically underfunded--and I wish we were spending time on that 
instead of this bill--with enormous and unreviewable authority over 
agency rules.
  More specifically, H.R. 7198 authorizes the chief counsel, 
unilaterally and without review, to exempt large parts of the business 
community from proposed rules if he or she determines that an agency 
did not properly consider how a proposed rule could affect small 
entities.
  In doing so, this bill would empower large companies and undermine 
the regulatory process that keeps Americans safe by imposing a series 
of requirements on regulatory agencies.
  As we all know, regulatory agencies play a critical role in our 
safety and well-being by writing rules designed to protect our food 
supply, environment, physical infrastructure, and more. These 
regulations safeguard the freedoms that all Americans enjoy.
  While efforts to ease burdens on small businesses can be useful, they 
should not prevent regulators from doing their jobs in the public 
interests.
  The Prove It Act, under the guise of helping all small businesses, 
would actually allow an unelected administrator within the SBA to 
circumvent congressional and agency intent with little oversight. It is 
simply unacceptable that we would task a single official in the SBA 
with unilateral and unreviewable authority to suspend new and existing 
protections and safeguards for large swaths of the economy, not to 
mention that it would also require agencies to jump through new, 
vaguely defined and nontransparent bureaucratic hoops, which would 
cause delays and uncertainty, all the while doing nothing to actually 
help small businesses.
  In fact, the Coalition for Sensible Safeguards, consisting of over 
200 labor, consumer, and environmental organizations, oppose this bill, 
including the AFL-CIO, Economic Policy Institute, and National Women's 
Law Center.
  It is important to convey to the American people that this bill is 
also simply unnecessary. By law, agencies already take small businesses 
into account, and these small entities already

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have power through the Office of Advocacy to champion their concerns.
  Rules and protections are critical to ensuring the safety and 
soundness of virtually every facet of our lives, including clean air, 
clean water, safe toys that my children might use, safe cars while I 
drive my children to school, and safe workplaces for all of us.
  Mr. Speaker, we should reject any efforts that would prevent agencies 
from issuing these lifesaving regulations. Therefore, I urge my 
colleagues to vote against H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act.
  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
Texas (Mr. Moran).
  Mr. MORAN. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to support H.R. 7198, the Prove 
It Act, a bipartisan piece of legislation to protect small businesses 
from the burdens of Federal regulations.
  I was proud to join Congressman Finstad and Congresswoman Caraveo in 
introducing this bill and to vote for it in the House Judiciary 
Committee.
  This legislation puts teeth into the Regulatory Flexibility Act, 
which has been discussed today. In 1980, it required Federal agencies 
to take into consideration the direct and indirect impacts of their 
regulations on small and family businesses, but it is not being 
enforced today.

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  Effectively, there is no recourse to those businesses under the 
Regulatory Flexibility Act, which is why, in more than 75 percent of 
the cases, these new regulations actually completely ignore that 
Regulatory Flexibility Act or put a de minimis amount attached to the 
impact on small businesses.
  We need teeth to that 1980 Regulatory Flexibility Act, and the Prove 
It Act will do just that. It will change what has not been done in the 
past, and it will restore power to small businesses today to push back 
against new regulations.
  Today, small businesses pay seven times more per employee than 
medium-sized businesses to stay compliant with Federal regulations. 
They don't have the resources to keep pace with the ever-growing 
burdens imposed by the heavy hand of the government.
  I am amazed that I am hearing from the opposition words like 
``delay,'' ``burden,'' and ``uncertainty'' as it relates to the Federal 
Government. I am more concerned with the delays, burden, uncertainty, 
and inadequate resources that exist for small businesses to respond to 
these new regulations.
  Federal agencies seem to ignore the reality and harm that these 
regulations cause, which only further discourages American innovation 
and small business growth.
  The Prove It Act empowers small businesses to petition the Small 
Business Administration to review proposed Federal regulations and 
gives them the tools to challenge unnecessary regulation imposed upon 
them, which they do not have today. It brings more accountability and 
transparency to the work of government agencies and reaffirms our 
commitment to stand with small business.
  If we are going to stand on the side of government or small business, 
I choose to stand on the side of small business. Small businesses are, 
in fact, the backbone of our economy, and their innovation keeps the 
spirit of the American Dream alive.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote ``yes'' on this legislation 
to support the crucial role small businesses play as drivers of 
economic growth and job creation. I urge my colleagues to support H.R. 
7198, the Prove It Act.
  Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from 
Colorado (Ms. Caraveo).
  Ms. CARAVEO. Mr. Speaker, I thank Ranking Member Nadler for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act. 
I also thank my colleagues, Congressman Finstad and Congressman Moran, 
for working with me to run this bipartisan legislation.
  Colorado has more than 600,000 small businesses owned by men and 
women who work hard day in and day out to provide for their families 
and serve our communities. Small business owners already face 
innumerable hurdles in pursuit of the American Dream, and burdensome 
regulations only add to their challenges.
  The repercussions of overregulation are long lasting, impacting our 
economy and communities from the moment they are implemented, 
particularly in the Front Range and northern Colorado.
  Unfortunately, the requirement for analyzing both the direct and 
indirect costs imposed on small businesses has often not been satisfied 
by various Federal agencies. That is where our bill comes in.
  This bill would allow small business owners to be heard when they 
feel the Federal Government is imposing expensive roadblocks on them. 
It will shield small businesses from undue regulatory burdens and 
improve communication between small entities and Federal agencies.
  Throughout my time in Congress, I have made it a point to engage with 
local small businesses directly through a series of roundtables 
throughout the Front Range and northern Colorado. These discussions 
highlighted the most pressing issues facing these small businesses, 
particularly the disproportionate impact excessive regulations have on 
their operations.
  With the already razor-thin margins under which these small 
businesses operate, they need more of our help to thrive. As their 
Representative, I believe it is my duty to give a voice in Congress to 
our small businesses and ensure that they have a seat at the table in 
the regulatory process. Their views and priorities must be taken into 
consideration if we hope to foster a dynamic and robust economy.
  Passing the Prove It Act means we can continue to support the small 
businesses that are driving our economy.
  Mr. Speaker, again, I thank Representatives Finstad and Moran for 
their work on this bipartisan legislation and for their diligent 
efforts to support our small businesses, and I urge my colleagues to 
support this effort.
  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
Texas (Mr. Williams).
  Mr. WILLIAMS of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of H.R. 
7198, the Prove It Act of 2024, introduced by Representative Finstad. 
In full disclosure, I am a small business owner.
  The Prove It Act is an important piece of legislation that will give 
small business owners the ability to petition the government when an 
agency fails to actively account for regulations impacting their 
operations.
  Over the past 4 years, the Biden administration has created an 
unbelievable amount of $1.7 trillion in new regulations. The Committee 
on Small Business, which I chair, conducted a thorough investigation 
into how it was possible to achieve this unfortunate milestone. We 
discovered that many agencies are treating the Regulatory Flexibility 
Act, a law that is supposed to protect small businesses from the most 
costly regulations, like a check-the-box exercise. They do not uphold 
the spirit of the law, which is an important check on the 
administrative state.
  The Prove It Act would close many of the loopholes being utilized by 
Federal agencies and give small businesses the ability for their choice 
and their voice to be heard when the system fails them.

  Main Street America has been dealing with many different economic 
headwinds. Inflation and labor shortages alone have made it a challenge 
for small business to survive. Out-of-control regulations are just one 
more obstacle that businessowners must work to overcome.
  My committee held over 13 hearings where we brought in real small 
business owners to discuss the impact regulations had on their 
operations. Every one of our witnesses said that taking time to 
understand and comply with the new mandates prevents them from focusing 
on their core operations: giving service and selling product.
  These small businesses are the economic engines of the country, and 
we must do all we can to support their continued success. The Prove It 
Act takes important steps in ensuring that agencies comply with the 
intent of the RFA and fully consider small businesses in the rulemaking 
process.
  Mr. Speaker, I strongly urge my colleagues to support H.R. 7198.
  Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, over 200 labor, consumer protection, and 
environmental organizations oppose H.R. 7198, the Prove It Act.
  Mr. Speaker, I include in the Record letters of opposition from the 
Coalition

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for Sensible Safeguards, Earthjustice, and Public Citizen.
                                                     Coalition for


                                          Sensible Safeguards,

                                                 December 4, 2024.
     Representative Mike Johnson,
     Speaker, House of Representatives,
     Washington, DC.
     Representative Hakeem Jeffries,
     Democratic Leader, House of Representatives,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Speaker Johnson and Democratic Leader Jeffries: The 
     Coalition for Sensible Safeguards (CSS), an alliance of over 
     200 labor, scientific, research, good government, faith, 
     community, health, environmental, and public interest groups, 
     is writing regarding the House of Representatives' 
     consideration of the Prove It Act of 2024, H.R. 7198 which 
     CSS strongly opposes.
       The Prove It Act would expand the authority of the Small 
     Business Administration's Office of Advocacy while failing to 
     address fundamental flaws of the Regulatory Flexibility Act. 
     This bill would slow down the regulatory process and empower 
     an office that has been neither appropriately focused on 
     small business concerns nor adequately transparent in how it 
     conducts its actions.
       The ostensible purpose of the Regulatory Flexibility Act is 
     to ensure that small businesses continue to play a role in 
     the U.S. economy. In practice, though, the implementation of 
     the Regulatory Flexibility Act has failed to achieve this 
     basic purpose, as it has instead been wielded as a blunt 
     weapon to weaken regulatory requirements for firms of all 
     sizes, often at the behest of large corporations and the 
     trade associations they dominate.
       The result is that protections of public health, safety, 
     and the environment have been sacrificed without 
     substantially improving the competitive position of small 
     businesses in their respective industrial sectors relative to 
     that of larger firms. These flaws are most apparent in the 
     Regulatory Flexibility Act's burdensome analytical 
     requirements, which are designed to weaken regulatory 
     safeguards rather than promote small business 
     competitiveness. H.R. 7198 does not fix this basic problem, 
     however. Instead, it would expand those analytical 
     requirements and make them more onerous.
       The Prove It Act would enhance the authority of the Small 
     Business Administration's Office of Advocacy in harmful ways. 
     H.R. 7198, in Section 2(a)(3), would allow for endless 
     petitions from ``Any small entity, group of small entities, 
     or organization representing the interests of small 
     entities'' that challenge a rulemaking agency's certification 
     that its rule would not have a significant economic impact on 
     a substantial number of small entities. In many cases, these 
     petitions would trigger burdensome hearings conducted by the 
     Chief Counsel for the Office of Advocacy, after which the 
     Chief Counsel could then force the rulemaking agency to 
     retract the certification and instead perform the full suite 
     of burdensome analyses mandated by the Regulatory Flexibility 
     Act. The bill also provides for expanded judicial review 
     opportunities against agency certifications, which would 
     further tie up rulemakings in wasteful and time-consuming 
     litigation.
       We urge members of the House of Representatives to consider 
     reforms that would instead place greater constraints on the 
     Office of Advocacy to ensure that it is actually helping, 
     rather than harming, small businesses. A scathing 2014 report 
     by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found 
     significant deficiencies in the Small Business 
     Administration's Office of Advocacy's compliance with its own 
     internal procedures when it intervenes in regulatory actions 
     or engages in commissioning research on regulatory costs to 
     small businesses. Of greatest relevance, GAO found that: (1) 
     the Office had no policies dictating when individual staff 
     should intervene in individual rulemakings, making it 
     susceptible to improper industry influence; and (2) the 
     Office repeatedly cited small business input in its 
     regulatory comments but could provide no evidence or 
     documentation supporting this input.
       Evidence has also demonstrated the extent to which the 
     Office of Advocacy has been captured by regulated industry. 
     The Office has often worked with large trade associations to 
     weaken rules in ways that benefit large businesses, at the 
     expense of small ones. These interventions have the effect of 
     harming small businesses, contrary to the Office's statutory 
     mission. Nevertheless, this bill would give the Small 
     Business Administration's Office of Advocacy even greater 
     authority to intervene in and block agency rules.
       Additionally, the Prove It Act would further delay needed 
     regulatory actions--causing real harm to public health and 
     safety and the environment--without improving the quality of 
     agency decision-making. Numerous studies have demonstrated 
     how existing regulatory analyses, and procedural requirements 
     contribute to extensive delays of agency rulemaking. These 
     studies confirm that existing Regulatory Flexibility Act 
     requirements are among the biggest contributors to these 
     delays. By creating new analytical and procedural 
     requirements, this bill would only worsen those delays. These 
     additional delays are unjustifiable because they do not 
     result in better regulatory decisions.
       Finally, the bill would empower the federal judiciary to 
     block regulations by making agency compliance with its new 
     analytical and procedural requirements judicially reviewable. 
     This would provide judges with an additional new tool for 
     blocking needed public protections.
       Providing the Small Business Administration's Office of 
     Advocacy with more authority to block, delay, or weaken new 
     regulatory safeguards, without enacting the significant 
     reforms recommended by GAO and others, will leave the public 
     even more at risk to health, safety, and economic security 
     threats. The numerous petitions, time-consuming hearings, and 
     expanded judicial review that this legislation would allow 
     will thwart needed protections while failing to help small 
     businesses with better designed regulations.
       CSS urges the House of Representatives to oppose the Prove 
     It Act and encourages the Committee to evaluate proposals 
     that offer real and meaningful reforms to strengthen the 
     regulatory process, such as H.R. 1507, the Stop Corporate 
     Capture Act.
       We hope to work with the House of Representatives to ensure 
     that our regulatory process is working effectively and 
     efficiently to protect the American public.
       We strongly urge opposition to the Prove It Act of 2024, 
     H.R. 7198.
           Sincerely,

                                             Rachel Weintraub,

                                     Executive Director, Coalition
     for Sensible Safeguards.
                                  ____



                                                 Earthjustice,

                                Washington, DC, November 26, 2024.
     Hon. Mike Johnson,
     Speaker, House of Representatives,
     Washington, DC.
     Hon. Hakeem Jeffries,
     Democratic Leader, House of Representatives,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Speaker Johnson and Leader Jeffries: On behalf of 
     Earthjustice, I strongly urge you to oppose H.R. 7198, the 
     Prove It Act, which would further a dangerous deregulatory 
     agenda to restrict federal agencies from protecting our 
     environment, health, safety, workforce, and civil rights.
       The Prove It Act is an unnecessary deregulatory legislative 
     proposal that seeks to address a problem already addressed by 
     existing Federal law. Proponents of the bill believe small 
     businesses are not allowed enough opportunities to engage 
     directly with agencies to impact the policies, ultimately 
     limiting and hindering their ability to conduct business, 
     create jobs, and compete with larger corporations. The 
     narrative that the rulemaking process leaves small businesses 
     little to no opportunity to address potential economic 
     impacts and engage directly is inaccurate and perpetuates 
     dangerous deregulatory propaganda.
       Despite being debilitating underfunding, Agencies are 
     charged with complying with overarching federal requirements 
     that consider impacts on all industries, including small 
     businesses. Agencies, when proposing new rules, are legally 
     bound by the constraints of the authorizing statute passed by 
     Congress, the Administrative Procedure Act, providing 
     appropriate notice and comment opportunities to the public, 
     listening to the public and regulated entities (including 
     small businesses), and carefully reviewing all submitted 
     comments. Small businesses are provided multiple avenues to 
     engage in the rulemaking process and compliance resources 
     through state and federal government offices, including the 
     US Small Business Administration. Businesses can use the 
     Office of Advocacy and the Office of the National Ombudsman 
     within the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) to 
     address compliance concerns, make regulatory reform 
     recommendations, and handle enforcement issues.
       H.R. 7198 is a tool to help polluting corporations limit 
     their compliance responsibilities and unfairly shift the cost 
     of business to the public. Like other past attempts, this 
     bill seeks to expand the scope of authority of the Regulatory 
     Flexibility Act, which would increase unnecessary and lengthy 
     regulatory delays and encourage costly litigation. The 
     Regulatory Flexibility Act (RFA) already requires agencies to 
     consider alternatives to proposed regulations to limit 
     economic burdens to small entities while still achieving the 
     desired regulatory goals. Agencies must conduct initial 
     regulatory flexibility analysis, assessing potential impacts 
     on small entities and consider the feedback provided by small 
     entities during the rulemaking process. This bill would cost 
     additional resources and time by allowing small entities to 
     require duplicative regulatory analysis to rules they would 
     rather not comply with.
       Most concerning are the provisions of H.R. 7198, which 
     allow any small entity or organization representing a small 
     entity to petition the Chief Counsel of Advocacy for the 
     Small Business Administration to direct any agency to adopt a 
     new determination of the economic impact on small businesses. 
     If the agency does not do so or ``in any other way fails to 
     assist the Chief Counsel,'' the rule will be ineffective and 
     invalidated for all small entities.
       Regulations are vital to the public and small businesses, 
     yielding many benefits that outweigh the costs. H.R. 7198 act 
     seeks to delay these public protections at the detriment of 
     the environment and the public, yielding health and 
     environmental benefits for all who live here. While 
     regulations are associated with compliance costs and 
     administrative burdens, they can also provide significant 
     benefits to small businesses, including but not limited to 
     bolstering consumer confidence in their products and 
     services,

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     leveraging the playing field by setting standards all must 
     meet, including larger competitors and preventing monopolies 
     or unsafe work environments, access to certain kinds of 
     federal contacts, and limiting legal liabilities related to 
     workplace safety or product safety issues.
       For all the reasons stated above, H.R. 7198 should be 
     opposed.
       Thank you for your consideration.

                                             Brielle L. Green,

                                       Senior Legislative Counsel,
     Earthjustice.
                                  ____



                                                Public Citizen

                                 Washington, DC; December 4, 2024.
     Hon. Mike Johnson,
     Speaker, House of Representatives,
     Washington, DC.
     Hon. Hakeem Jeffries,
     Democratic Leader, House of Representatives,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Speaker Johnson and Democratic Leader Jeffries: On 
     Thursday, December 5, the House of Representatives will be 
     considering the Prove it Act of 2024, H.R. 7198. While Public 
     Citizen opposes H.R. 7198, this letter does not focus on 
     Public Citizen's concerns regarding that bill which are 
     outlined in a separate letter submitted to the members of the 
     House from the Coalition for Sensible Safeguards which Public 
     Citizen co-chairs. Instead, this letter is intended to 
     provide information that we believe will help assess the 
     current Administration's compliance with the Regulatory 
     Flexibility Act (RFA) as compared to prior Administrations. 
     As the government data we cite below shows, the current 
     Administration has complied with the RFA to a far greater 
     degree than the previous Administration. Thus, any claims 
     that the current Administration is not complying with the RFA 
     are not supported, and in fact contradicted, by the 
     government data we are sharing with members of the House.
       One of the most telling indications whether an 
     Administration is in compliance with the RFA comes from the 
     number of so-called ``SBREFA'' panels that an Administration 
     has conducted as compared to previous Administrations. Under 
     the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act 
     (SBREFA), three agencies, the Environmental Protection Agency 
     (EPA), the Occupational Safety and Health Administration 
     (OSHA), and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) 
     are required to conduct small business review panels prior to 
     proposing regulations that will have a ``significant impact 
     on a substantial number of small entities.'' The Small 
     Business Administration's Office of Advocacy (SBA Advocacy) 
     plays a central role in identifying small businesses to serve 
     on the panel and collect their feedback. SBREFA amended the 
     RFA to require these panels in order to provide small 
     businesses an opportunity to express concerns to these three 
     agencies when one of their regulations significantly impacts 
     small businesses. To be clear, these three agencies have put 
     in place regulations that have been among the most beneficial 
     in protecting the public.
       Our analysis of the number of SBREFA panels that occurred 
     from the Obama Administration through the current 
     Administration reveals a clear pattern of robust compliance 
     with the RFA under the Obama and Biden Administrations with 
     the opposite being the case under the Trump Administration. 
     According to data from SBA Advocacy's website, there were a 
     total of 31 SBREFA panels completed under the Obama 
     Administration. By contrast, there were a total of only 3 
     SBREFA panels completed under the entire Trump 
     Administration. Under the current Administration, there have 
     already been 22 SBREFA panels completed. Thus, the three 
     agencies subject to SBREFA completed a total of 53 panels 
     during the Obama and Biden Administrations, but only 3 panels 
     during the Trump Administration.
       Such a significant disparity in the number of SBREFA panels 
     under the current and previous two Administrations should be 
     concerning to the Committee as it gives the strong appearance 
     that the SBREFA panel process is hardly neutral but rather is 
     one-sided in practice by only seeking feedback from small 
     businesses when the three agencies subject to SBREFA 
     promulgate new regulatory protections but not when those 
     regulatory protections are rolled back. The Committee should 
     ensure that when small businesses face a less stable 
     regulatory environment and more regulatory uncertainty due to 
     regulatory rollbacks, the SBREFA panel process is reflecting 
     those concerns as intended.
       Additionally, Public Citizen urges Congress to conduct 
     robust oversight of SBA Advocacy due to longstanding concerns 
     that Advocacy has ignored certain small business viewpoints, 
     namely those that support federal regulations, while favoring 
     other small business viewpoints, namely those that oppose 
     federal regulations, in an unbalanced and asymmetric fashion. 
     While claiming to be ``independent,'' there is considerable 
     evidence that Advocacy is in reality acting in a partisan and 
     ideological manner by consistently scrutinizing and 
     expressing concerns about new federal regulations that 
     protect the public while doing the opposite when those 
     regulations are rolled back. Certainly, the data regarding 
     the number of SBREFA panels across recent Administrations 
     strongly supports the need for oversight from the Committee.
       We hope members of the House of Representatives will find 
     this information helpful as it assesses claims regarding the 
     current Administration's compliance with the RFA and 
     considers H.R. 7198 predicated on the false belief that the 
     current Administration is failing to comply with the RFA. 
     Public Citizen stands ready to assist Congress in any 
     potential oversight of agency compliance with the RFA and 
     whether SBA Advocacy is properly carrying out its 
     responsibilities under the RFA in a neutral and unbiased 
     fashion.
           Sincerely,
                                                     Lisa Gilbert,
                                     Co-President, Public Citizen.

  Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished 
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Landsman).
  Mr. LANDSMAN. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to oppose the bill, not 
because I don't want to see a whole host of reforms as it relates to 
helping our small businesses but because it does not exclude the big 
corporations from exploiting this bill to seize more and more of our 
power and wealth. I think people are very frustrated with just how much 
wealth and power has been consolidated among a sliver of Americans and 
a few big corporations.
  For that reason, at the appropriate time, I will offer a motion to 
recommit this bill back to committee. If the House rules permitted, I 
would have offered this motion as an amendment to focus the same kind 
of thinking on our veterans.
  As part of the VA Committee and working with our veterans and our VA 
back home, I have become increasingly frustrated with the layers of 
bureaucracy that slow down care for our veterans or prevent care for 
our veterans. My amendment would provide an exemption to this bill for 
rules that are determined to have substantial beneficial effects on 
veterans and veteran programs.
  Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of this 
amendment into the Record immediately prior to the vote on the motion 
to recommit.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from Ohio?
  There was no objection.
  Mr. LANDSMAN. Mr. Speaker, I hope my colleagues will join me in 
voting for the motion to recommit.
  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from 
Minnesota (Mr. Stauber).
  Mr. STAUBER. Mr. Speaker, I rise to speak in favor of H.R. 7198. I 
will start by thanking my good friend and colleague from Minnesota, 
Representative Brad Finstad, for his leadership with this legislation.
  Small businesses are the lifeblood of our economy. They are the 
innovators, job creators, and backbone of our communities.
  In my home State of Minnesota, small businesses account for over 99 
percent of all businesses and employ more than half of all of our 
workforce. When small businesses succeed, America succeeds.
  Unfortunately, we have seen time and time again how the Biden-Harris 
administration has failed to prioritize these small businesses. 
Instead, it has burdened them with an avalanche of costly and 
unnecessary regulations, leaving businessowners to navigate a maze of 
red tape with little regard for their challenges.
  These regulations have a real and negative impact on entrepreneurs, 
making it harder for them to succeed and grow. It is clear: Small 
businesses need a stronger voice in the regulatory process.
  We have the tools to stop overregulation, but those tools need to be 
accessible, especially for the smallest of businesses. We must provide 
clear and accessible pathways for small businesses to hold Federal 
agencies accountable for the regulations they impose.
  That is why I am proud to cosponsor my fellow Minnesotan's bill. This 
bill gives small businesses the ability to challenge agency regulations 
and forces agencies to be transparent about how their regulations will 
affect small business owners.
  By holding agencies accountable and requiring transparency, we ensure 
that small businesses aren't left behind when new regulations are 
created. This is a critical step in ensuring that any regulation 
created in Washington is shaped with a clear understanding of the real-
world impact. By supporting this legislation, we can help small 
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  Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote ``yes'' on H.R. 7198. Let's 
ensure small businesses are heard and their concerns are addressed.
  Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentlewoman from 
New York (Ms. Velazquez), the distinguished ranking member of the 
Committee on Small Business.
  Ms. VELAZQUEZ. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to H.R. 7198, the 
Prove It Act.
  Part of the role of the Small Business Committee is to recognize the 
impact regulations have on small businesses and work to find ways to 
balance the shared goal of minimizing the burdens and achieving the 
intended effects of regulations.
  Throughout our committee hearings, we have heard that agencies have 
been better about considering the impact of their rules on small 
entities since the passage of the Regulatory Flexibility Act.
  Another tool at our disposal is the ability of advocacy to convene 
SBREFA panels to give small businesses an opportunity to provide input 
at the beginning of the rulemaking process and when it is most 
important.
  The Office of Advocacy has been working diligently to educate and 
train rule-writing staff about their responsibilities, and we have seen 
the fruits of their labor. The analysis agencies are conducting has 
improved significantly.
  Yet, this bill ignores the current process. Instead of strengthening 
it to serve the interests of small employers, the bill we are 
considering today would bring our rulemaking process to a grinding 
halt.
  It will also give big corporations a powerful new tool to delay and 
weaken rules, causing uncertainty and harm to small employers.
  By creating an unworkable quasi-judicial process within the SBA's 
Office of Advocacy for reviewing agency certifications, it allows any 
group that claims to represent small businesses to petition Advocacy to 
block rules that it doesn't like.
  The Prove It Act also requires agencies to conduct retrospective 
reviews based on the indirect costs identified in the initial analysis, 
without recognizing that agencies may have modified the rule during the 
rulemaking process.
  Most concerning is the broad and unchecked authority of the chief 
counsel to announce that a rule is no longer effective if an agency 
fails to conduct a retrospective review. This means a small employer 
that came into compliance with an existing rule could see it eliminated 
and then possibly reinstated sometime in the future. This is 
counterproductive to what my colleagues state they are trying to 
achieve.

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  Finally, today's bill implements another lengthy process without 
providing additional assistance to an under-resourced Office of 
Advocacy. If enacted, Advocacy will need to double its staff and, no 
surprise, this bill provides no additional resources.
  CBO estimates that agencies and Advocacy will need an additional $40 
million over the next 5 years to implement this act, and that doesn't 
include the $17 million added to the Federal deficit.
  Small employers need certainty, and this bill fails to provide it. It 
would only serve to cause undue chaos and confusion while achieving 
very little to help and support our Nation's small employers. That is 
why I urge my colleagues to vote ``no.''
  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from 
Texas (Mr. Ellzey).
  Mr. ELLZEY. Mr. Speaker, small businesses have been hit hard in the 
last 4 years by rising costs, supply chain problems, and heavy 
regulations. These businesses, which make up a large part of America's 
economy, often bear the brunt of new Federal rules and regulations 
implemented by the Biden administration.
  The Prove It Act, H.R. 7198, is designed to help small businesses 
push back when Federal agencies don't follow the rules laid out in the 
Regulatory Flexibility Act, or the RFA.
  This bill gives small businesses the power to challenge proposed 
regulations if an agency hasn't fully or accurately considered how 
those rules would affect them. It also requires agencies to consider 
indirect costs when conducting a regulatory flexibility analysis, 
publish any follow-up guidance to the rule online, and periodically 
review the rule to ensure it still makes sense. If the agency does not 
adhere to these requirements, small entities are exempt from complying 
with the rule. It is about time.
  While agencies are already required by the RFA to do this type of 
analysis, they are not required to make it public. The Prove It Act 
changes that, adding transparency and accountability to the process. If 
they are doing this analysis correctly, then there should be very 
little additional burden and no concern in making it public.
  This legislation gives small businesses a greater say in the 
regulatory process and will help ensure that agencies do their due 
diligence when considering how harmful their regulations are to Main 
Street.
  Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time to 
close.
  Mr. Speaker, the Prove It Act is just the latest in a long line of 
Republican bills meant to undermine or block agency rulemaking. If this 
legislation is enacted, every single rule--past, present, and future--
would be funneled for review through a single official in a chronically 
underfunded office within the Small Business Administration. This one 
person would be granted unreviewable and unilateral power to block or 
suspend lifesaving regulations that ensure that we have clean air to 
breathe, clean water to drink, and safe food to eat.
  I urge Members to oppose this dangerous legislation, and I yield back 
the balance of my time.
  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time to 
close.
  There are several points that I think need to be made in relation to 
this bill, but also to the obvious misunderstanding not only of what 
the bill does but of the rulemaking process and procedure that occurs 
under the Administrative Procedure Act in this country right now.
  First of all, it applies to small businesses, not large businesses. 
By definition, it applies to small businesses. The allegation that this 
is going to somehow help these huge corporations is absolutely 
incorrect.
  In addition to which, the Prove It Act does not authorize the SBA to 
review the substantive policy of any particular regulation. Again, any 
allegation that this would allow the SBA to address the substantive 
aspect of a regulation is again incorrect. If the agency has complied 
with the RFA, then the regulation will apply to small businesses as 
normal.
  Here is something that I think is important. We often talk in the 
abstract about regulations and the regulatory impacts and regulatory 
agencies and unelected bureaucrats. Let's just talk about a real-life 
situation for once. Let's talk about what really happens when a 
regulation is adopted by an agency and the impact that it has on our 
small businesses.
  Let's use the USDA EID rule as an example. On November 5, the U.S. 
Department of Agriculture issued a rule mandating electronic 
identification ear tags on cattle and bison. It will place a 
substantial burden on small ranchers when it goes into effect.
  The USDA, however, in assessing this rule, only completed a brief, 
two-page initial regulatory flexibility analysis, finding that using 
the Small Business Administration's guidelines that the majority of 
cattle operations in the United States are considered small. In other 
words, the majority of our ranching operations are considered small 
businesses.
  In 2013, when the USDA first considered imposing a rule like this, 
they estimated that the cost would be between $1.2 and $1.9 billion 
imposed against our small ranchers, yet in this latest analysis, they 
did a two-page RFA analysis. I can't imagine that anyone on the other 
side of the aisle would actually believe that that is adequate 
considering the circumstances and the fact that so many of our ranchers 
will be financially broken by such a rule.
  After acknowledging that the proposed rule would have a substantial 
impact on small businesses, the agency then conducted an insufficient 
analysis based upon outdated and incorrect information. This entire 
analysis relies on a cost estimate created by APHIS.

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This estimate undervalues the cost to ranchers, and it has not even 
publicly disclosed how it calculated those costs.
  This example of avoiding the RFA requirements resulted in the USDA 
ignoring the true cost of the rule and how the burden is shouldered by 
our small businesses.
  The USDA and the ear-tag manufacturers are also wholly unprepared to 
alleviate the harm caused by the rule. In fact, many States have run 
out of the ear tags before even being able to provide them to the 
ranchers.

  Under the Prove It Act, the USDA would be required to account for the 
additional, reasonably foreseeable indirect costs that are borne by 
ranchers because of this rule, costs that the USDA is currently 
ignoring.
  The Prove It Act would give a voice to the ranchers and the 
organizations that represent them to point out the obvious flaws in 
APHIS's proposals, flaws which were ignored during the finalization of 
the rule.
  I think it is also incredibly important to understand that we are 
passing this bill today to help small businesses understand the true 
cost of compliance with regulations and to force regulators to be 
transparent when crafting their regulations.
  If this bill becomes law, regulators will have to come to terms with 
the enormous weight that they place on small businesses in the form of 
regulations. In fact, under the Biden-Harris administration, the 
regulatory burden in this country is approximately $2.1 trillion a 
year. It is almost $16,000 per household.
  I cannot understand, for the life of me, why anyone on the other side 
of the aisle would not want the agencies to have to disclose the real 
cost of these regulations. Maybe it is because they don't want the 
American public to understand the costs imposed by unelected 
bureaucrats. In an ideal world, regulators would think twice before 
imposing massive costs on our small businesses that are the lifeblood 
of so many of our communities.
  I also want to point out that the claim that this would slow down 
rulemaking is absolutely absurd. The Prove It Act is designed to ensure 
that agencies are complying with existing law, the Regulatory 
Flexibility Act, when they are crafting their regulations. Agencies 
must already comply with the RFA's requirements. They are just not 
doing it, and this is a law that would force them to meet that 
requirement.
  The RFA has been the law since 1980. Why are we allowing these 
agencies to get away with ignoring the law as written by Congress?
  No agency can credibly claim that compliance with the RFA, which 
Congress enacted, improperly slows down the rulemaking process.
  I also want to point out the comment that this would result in a 
bottleneck created by these large corporations filing petition after 
petition after petition. Again, that argument is absurd. The claim that 
small businesses, large businesses, or trade associations would abuse 
the Prove It Act's petition mechanism is just simply misguided.
  The Prove It Act gives a method for the chief counsel for advocacy at 
the Small Business Administration to dismiss any petition that lacks 
merit. Following an initial review, the chief counsel can close the 
petition without any further action if the case does not warrant it.
  To be clear, big businesses are not allowed to petition the SBA under 
the Prove It Act. I would like to repeat that. Big businesses are not 
covered by this act.
  Finally, the CBO score. The CBO score for this bill is clearly wrong. 
The generic language that the CBO cites does not remotely support its 
finding that this bill will increase the deficit. CBO claims that 
direct spending would increase by $10 million, and Congress would need 
to appropriate an extra $35 million to Federal agencies for them to do 
much of the same work that they were supposed to be doing for the last 
40 years.
  Every Federal agency that engages in rulemaking should already have 
the staff and resources on board to comply with the law. The Prove It 
Act simply requires the already existing staff perform some additional 
analyses to report on the reasonably foreseeable indirect costs of 
their regulations. This should be relatively straightforward for the 
personnel already tasked with the RFA analysis.
  Finally, any agency that is burdened by the Prove It Act's 
requirements probably did not comply with the RFA in the first place.
  One of the things that I find so interesting in these debates about 
our efforts to force transparency and good government provisions on our 
agencies is often this discussion that it is going to destroy the air 
and water, we are going to have sick kids, the toys are going to be 
destroyed, and everything is going to be dangerous. That is absolutely 
absurd, and it is a red herring.
  There is nothing wrong with requiring our agencies to be transparent 
and up-front about the costs that they are imposing on our businesses 
when they adopt regulations. I am actually surprised that anyone would 
oppose the Prove It Act in light of what it is intended to do.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. All time for debate on the bill has expired.


                Amendment No. 1 Offered by Ms. Velazquez

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. It is now in order to consider amendment No. 
1 printed in House Report 118-791.
  Ms. VELAZQUEZ. Mr. Speaker, I have an amendment at the desk.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
  The text of the amendment is as follows:
       Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the 
     following:

     SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

       This Act may be cited as the ``Prove It Act of 2024''.

     SEC. 2. TRAINING ON COMPLIANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF THE 
                   REGULATORY FLEXIBILITY ACT.

       Section 612 of title 5, United States Code, is amended--
       (1) in the section heading, by striking ``and intervention 
     rights'' and inserting ``, intervention rights, and 
     training''; and
       (2) by adding at the end the following new subsection:
       ``(d) Not less frequently than once every 4 years, the 
     Chief Counsel for Advocacy of the Small Business 
     Administration shall provide training on compliance with the 
     requirements of this chapter for any agency employee who 
     writes, reviews, approves, or analyzes regulations or 
     guidance documents.''.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to House Resolution 1602, the 
gentlewoman from New York (Ms. Velazquez) and a Member opposed each 
will control 5 minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentlewoman from New York.
  Ms. VELAZQUEZ. Mr. Speaker, let me begin by reiterating that as the 
ranking member of the Small Business Committee, I recognize the impact 
of regulations, and I have worked to find ways to balance the shared 
goal of minimizing the burdens while achieving the intended effects of 
regulations.
  The Prove It Act doesn't strike that appropriate balance. It allows 
big corporations to block, delay, and weaken rules. Yes, the Chamber of 
Commerce or NFIB could file a petition and doesn't have to identify the 
business that they are representing, causing uncertainty and harm to 
small employers. It also gives unchecked authority to the SBA's chief 
counsel and tasks an understaffed and under-resourced Office of 
Advocacy with a cumbersome and lengthy review process.
  That is why I am offering a commonsense solution. My amendment will 
require the Office of Advocacy to train agencies on how to comply with 
their Regulatory Flexibility Act.
  Key personnel at every rule-writing agency would be required to 
undergo RFA training once every 4 years. We have heard from Advocacy 
that when agencies have a better understanding of the RFA, it leads to 
more meaningful consideration of small businesses throughout the 
rulemaking process. Advocacy has been working diligently to train 
staff, and we have seen the fruits of their labor year after year.
  Their training programs have made a significant difference in the 
rule-writing process, and requiring ongoing training will only lead to 
more success. Agencies have shared draft documents with Advocacy early 
in the rulemaking process, and Advocacy has worked to help agencies 
obtain reliable small business data. Their training program has led to 
much better analysis, and in many instances enhanced the factual basis 
for agency certifications or led to modifications to reduce the impact 
to small firms.
  Mr. Speaker, we need to foster a constructive working relationship 
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Advocacy and Federal agencies rather than create an adversarial one. 
This amendment will ensure that Advocacy reaches all agencies on RFA 
compliance on a regular basis.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge Members to support my amendment, and I reserve 
the balance of my time.

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  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
  This amendment simply strikes the entire bill and replaces it with a 
training mandate. Claiming that training is all that is necessary to 
help agencies comply with their obligations under the RFA completely 
ignores the problems that the Prove It Act is going to solve.
  The Small Business Administration already offers training sessions 
for regulators and has done so for over 20 years. According to the SBA, 
they held nine training sessions and trained 139 Federal officials in 
2023 alone.
  Further, the SBA has already trained personnel at nearly every 
Federal agency and department since 2003. Despite this training, 
however, in 2023, SBA sent 46 letters to agencies across government 
outlining the deficiencies in their RFA analysis. In 30 cases, the SBA 
found that agencies conducted inadequate analysis of small business 
impacts.
  What this means is that during the rulemaking process for 30 rules, 
agencies did not comply with already existing law despite the SBA 
training they likely received.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment, and 
I reserve the balance of my time.
  Ms. VELAZQUEZ. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  Ms. HAGEMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, there are a few more points I would like to make.
  Despite SBA's best efforts to help agencies comply with their 
obligations under the RFA, those efforts are being ignored. Agencies 
have had 40 years to develop the experience and expertise necessary to 
comply with the Regulatory Flexibility Act and still regularly come up 
short.
  The claim that training is the answer is simply an attempt to 
distract from the importance of the Prove It Act. If we adopt this 
amendment and training is mandated instead of adopting the Prove It 
Act's provisions, nothing will change. Small businesses around the 
country will still be harmed by regulatory agencies blatantly ignoring 
their obligations under the RFA and discounting the costs of 
regulations.
  The only legitimate solution is to adopt the Prove It Act, which 
strengthens the RFA and creates mechanisms to force regulatory agencies 
to comply with the law.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to oppose this amendment, and I 
yield back the balance of my time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Rulli). Pursuant to the rule, the 
previous question is ordered on the bill and on the amendment offered 
by the gentlewoman from New York (Ms. Velazquez).
  The question is on the amendment offered by the gentlewoman from New 
York (Ms. Velazquez).
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Ms. VELAZQUEZ. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX, further 
proceedings will be postponed.

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