[Congressional Record Volume 170, Number 144 (Tuesday, September 17, 2024)]
[House]
[Pages H5312-H5313]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




                          RISING NATIONAL DEBT

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 9, 2023, the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Schweikert) is 
recognized for 13 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
  Mr. SCHWEIKERT. Mr. Speaker, I think I heard applause and happiness 
that I am only allowed to go for 13 minutes.
  For anyone that is paying attention, it is because of the lateness of 
the hour. My brothers and sisters on the Democrat side, we have to 
split the remaining time.
  That is what is about to happen, so I am going to talk faster than 
normal. I apologize to those trying to take our words down.
  Let's see if I can make the point. I actually edited my boards down 
because I wanted to go through, once again, the actual mathematical 
facts and my intense frustration that our brothers and sisters around 
the country running for office are promising things that there is no 
mathematical way to make them work and a complete void of an honest 
conversation of demographics and debt and the reality of what is going 
on. Let's actually race through this because I think I now have 12 
minutes.
  Please understand this. For every dollar of tax collection this year 
that your Federal Government takes in, we spend $1.39.
  Now, work with me. I used to come behind this microphone just a 
little while ago and say: We borrow 30 cents out of everything--no, we 
borrow 39 cents. If you remove interest, for every dollar we take in, 
we spend $1.21. I need you to process this.
  Please process this. For every dollar of tax collection the United 
States takes in, and that is this year, in a time when the economy has 
actually been pretty good. GDP growth has been pretty good. Tax 
collections have actually been pretty good, and we spend, meaning we 
are functionally borrowing, 39 cents for every dollar we take in.
  Here is the point. How many of you, as Members of Congress--and if 
someone's watching, if you don't see people in the room, that is the 
way it is supposed to be. People are supposed to be back in their 
offices or other places actually doing their work.
  One of the reasons you do these presentations is you are probably on 
a thousand televisions around this campus, and hopefully there are 
still some minds that are open to math.
  Do you see this chart? Do you see the blue? We call that defense and 
nondefense. That is all I, as a Member of Congress, get to vote on. It 
is 26, 25 percent of spending.
  Back to this board. For every dollar of tax collection, we have to 
borrow an additional 39 cents on top of it. Does someone see a math 
problem?
  If what I get to vote on is 26 percent of the budget, it means every 
dime a Member of Congress votes on is borrowed as well as a big chunk 
of what we call mandatory spending.
  How many people are willing to tell that story, whether it be on the 
left or the right? The hallways in this place are full of people 
begging us for more spending. It is an investment, David. We need the 
money.
  I have done chart after chart after chart over the last few years, 
coming in here and showing when we have had very high marginal tax 
rates, we get about 17, 18 percent of the economy in taxes. When we 
have had very low marginal tax rates, we get about 17, 18 percent of 
the economy.
  Will this place start to take it seriously? You have to adopt tax 
policies, regulatory policies, and code policies that dramatically do 
growth. Understand, what is the biggest change that has happened the 
last couple of years? What is the thing that has moved these numbers so 
dramatically?

                              {time}  2140

  I am going to play with this just a little bit.
  Interest. The fact of the matter is, Social Security, $1.460--480 
billion. Total interest, because remember you have to pay the interest 
back to Social Security, the pension plans, all those things, and then 
interest to those who bought our bonds. Remember, the vast majority of 
our bonds are actually bought by Americans.
  Interest now is the second biggest expenditure in the Federal 
Government. It is going to come in total gross interest maybe $1.140--
160 billion.
  Then the next biggest, the third biggest expenditure is now Medicare, 
and number four is actually defense. The thing that is in the 
Constitution now is number four.
  One of the points I want to make here is I was just showing you a 
chart that about 25 percent of what we get to vote on is defense and 
nondefense, and we are over 14 percent is just interest now. 
Understand, in about 10 years that a little less than $1.2 trillion is 
going to be approaching $2 trillion a year.
  Tell me how many things we got to buy with that interest when for 
every dollar of tax collection we take in, $1.39, so 39 cents on top of 
it is borrowed. That is the mathematical reality. This is the thing 
that I get booed at, I get people online saying: Oh, that hurts my 
feelings.
  One hundred percent of the debt for this country from today through 
the next 30 years--go look at CBO's reports, Medicare--sorry, I don't 
mean to get so agitated, Medicare and the interest. In 9 or so years 
when the Social Security trust fund has been depleted, do we reach in 
the general fund and backfill it?
  The insanity is, you hear the debates here: We will just tax rich 
people.
  Even documents from the left say, well, if you do every tax that has 
been proposed on those over $400,000, and

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you adjust for the economics, you get about a point and a half of GDP. 
A point and a half of the size of the economy. For those of us who want 
to cut spending, add up everything we have talked about cutting, it is 
about one point of GDP. You have got a big 2\1/2\ percent there, 2\1/2\ 
percent for every policy on the other side, every policy on our side.
  We are borrowing just a little less than 7 percent of the entire 
economy this year, and the economy is healthy. Dear Heaven, what 
happens if there is a war? What happens if there is another pandemic? 
What happens if parts of the economic clouds come and we have a 
recession? This is the time when things are good. We should be paying 
things back.
  You look at the math. I know some of these charts are impossible to 
read from a distance. I am trying just to make the point that interest 
is our fragility. I have said it here multiple times. Do you want to 
know who really is about to run your country? It is not the Democrats; 
it is not the Republicans. It is not rich people; it is not the unions. 
It is the bond market. If you are borrowing seventy, eighty thousand 
dollars per second every day and you have got to go to the market, 
remember, this year, this fiscal year we will bring $10 trillion to 
market. About eight of that is refinancing of the bonds that roll over. 
It is actually a little more than that.
  If you look at the short end of the curve, they have to roll over a 
lot. Then there are a couple trillion of new issuances. If the world, 
if the bond vigilantes say, well, we don't want those things, we want a 
premium, you look at the charts, and this is actually assuming 
everything is wonderful.
  When you see the CBO projection, and they talk about debt coming into 
the future, this is no pandemic, no war, no recession, yet if you 
listen to these microphones, it is person after person after person 
coming up with new brilliant ideas to spend money. Many of them you 
love. They are moral, they are helpful, and we have no damn way to 
finance them.
  This delusion that we will just tax rich people, I have already shown 
chart after chart after chart, you confiscate all the wealth of those 
designated rich, you run the country for a few months. You crash every 
market, there is no retirement accounts, but you wipe out everything. 
It is just sort of a mathematical delusion.
  There are ways to make this work, but are we going to legalize 
technology?
  Last week, I actually did a presentation, and I was trying to show 
that all these projections of: We are going to take in this much money 
in additional enforcement at the IRS, and we have only hit like a 
fraction, a fraction of what was promised.
  Remember, we are 2 years in. Remember, we originally appropriated 80, 
then it went down to 57. According to CBO, we were supposed to be up 
around 10, 11 billion of additional tax collections coming in from the 
rich. We have hit 1, so we have hit basically 10 percent of the 
promises. That is story after story after story, we are not coming 
anything close to our fantasies.
  Remember, the Inflation Reduction Act was going to pay for itself, 
and then we realized, hey, the subsidies, the planned economy, the new 
managed industrial policy that is America now, it is turning out to 
cost dramatically more. The tax collections didn't come anywhere close.
  We are really bad at math here. We are really good at making public 
policy by feelings, but just try to say, let's have thought 
experiments. What would happen if the IRS used Chat and other things to 
answer the phone, customer service, so the vast majority of people who 
call the IRS could actually have their phone answered? I remember one 
person online said: Well, that would lose jobs.
  I tried to show all that money we set aside for the IRS; it went 
down. Their auditors went down by 8 percent. We gave them billions of 
dollars, and it turns out we have a demographic issue.
  Remember, starting in 1990, birth rates in the United States started 
to roll over. It turns out a lot of people don't want to work for the 
IRS.
  There are ways to use technology to crash the price of healthcare, to 
make the environment healthier, cleaner, to move transportation, to 
actually do tax collections in an honest, fair, moral fashion.

  This place is a protection racket. It is a protection of incumbent 
bureaucracies, incumbent business models. The hallways are full of 
lobbyists right now trying to stop us from disrupting and making our 
brothers and sisters healthier.
  Diabetes is 33 percent of all U.S. healthcare. It is immoral what we 
allow to happen. We can make our brothers and sisters healthier. We can 
do amazing things for the debt and deficit. We just have to be willing 
to do things differently.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.

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