[Congressional Record Volume 170, Number 43 (Monday, March 11, 2024)]
[House]
[Pages H1082-H1086]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




                          RISING NATIONAL DEBT

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Ms. Lee of Florida). Under the Speaker's 
announced policy of January 9, 2023, the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. 
Schweikert) is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the 
majority leader.
  Mr. SCHWEIKERT. Madam Speaker, we are going to do something really 
daring tonight, and we will see if it actually works. We are going to 
use some boards, some math, that I haven't even seen the final numbers 
on. We were

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working on them over the weekend in regard to President Biden's State 
of the Union and then with them dropping their budget. We are trying to 
make the math work, which seems to be the routine here.
  I have a lot of boards. The theme is really simple on a couple of 
conceptual levels.
  The President basically said: Hey, the Medicare trust fund, we are 
going to do something about it. Great. Seven years or so from now, the 
Medicare trust fund is empty. We often refer to it as part A. There are 
actually a couple of slivers of it. It is about a third. It is just the 
hospital portion. The rest comes out of the general fund.
  Did you notice how the President stood right there and basically said 
you are not allowed to talk about Social Security, not allowed to talk 
     about reforming it, and not allowed to talk about the fact 
     that in 8 or 9 years, it is gone?
  The amount of that dwarfs dramatically the scale of the shortfall of 
Medicare. Understand, you have the transportation trust fund that is 
going empty, and you have Medicare part A. Then, the big kahuna is 
Social Security. Those all happen within the next 9 years.
  The intense frustration of the President's speech is that it was a 
campaign speech. In talking to the voters out there, I would ask: Are 
you for sale? You were promised lots of things with your own money. 
Here is the reality. We are going to borrow the money, or we are going 
to raise the taxes. I am going to show you the tax calculations are a 
complete fraud. We are going to buy your votes with your own money, and 
then we are going to borrow a boatload of spending that is going to 
crush your retirement and crush your kids and grandkids.
  Go America.
  Once again, we are back to sort of setting records. If you subscribe 
to my Daily Debt Monitor, we send out a text message every single day 
with what is going on. It is not our opinion. It is right off the 
Treasury's website. We just grab it, and we give you two numbers so you 
actually understand it.
  Remember, we play some games at the end of the fiscal year and the 
timing effect where, like they did last year, they rolled back the 
money from the Supreme Court ruling in regard to student loans, but 
they rolled it back in to push down the total number because they had 
done it up the previous fiscal year. There are all sorts of games.
  We also give you one which is just a running clock. It is the 365-
day--this year, 366-day--clock, and it just runs. You get to see both 
of them.
  Right now, if you tell the truth and use the gross number--we pay 
interest to the trust funds. We are the only industrialized country in 
the world that lies on this, where we borrow our own money, pay 
interest, and then pretend that is off the books.
  If you look at OECD, they actually have the United States closer to 
144 percent of debt to GDP because they don't allow accounting games 
like we do internally.
  We are borrowing over $95,000 per second. If you actually look at the 
run rate right now, the last 365 days, or 366 if you throw in the leap 
year, we have borrowed over $3 trillion--I am trying to find a nice way 
to emphasize that word, $3 trillion--in the running last year.

                              {time}  1930

  I think I have it in one of my charts here, but if I don't, I will 
just say it right now: When the President published their budget, did 
anyone pay attention to how the game is working?
  We are starting to understand the game.
  So several months ago when the preliminary budget numbers were put 
out by the White House, we were going to borrow $1.5 trillion, 1.6, 
wink, wink, nod, nod. The number came out what was it yesterday or--no, 
excuse me--earlier today. It says: It looks like we are closer to 2.1, 
2.2. However, if you then look at the rest of their math, it is going 
up higher than that. It looks like actually, if you actually do the 
gross, it really is going over the $2 trillion 800 billion.
  Do we do this to lie to the bond markets or each other?
  Or is it just so the idiot class in Washington basically quotes the 
old number?
  Be that as it may, does anyone understand, Madam Speaker, that when 
you see movements of numbers that are functionally 1 trillion, the burn 
rate right now is we are borrowing $1 trillion about every 125 days.
  Does that get anyone's attention?
  So we are going to walk through a number of these slides, and then 
when we get down to the end here, we are going to actually do some 
slides trying to take a look at the President's budget they dropped 
just a few hours ago and our base math.
  So I am going to run through many of these really quickly because 
there were a number of things said during the President's State of the 
Union Address that were bizarre. They are urban folk legends. 
Nonetheless, as we have seen in this town, if you say a lie enough 
times it starts to become baseline political discussion.
  What happened after the TCJA?
  That is the tax reform that happened in December 2017.
  There are two reasons for doing this. I want to show that the vast 
majority of where the tax cuts were for the working middle class and 
that the U.S. tax code got more progressive. The wealthy, the top-
tiers--actually the top couple of tiers--in the United States of income 
today pay a higher percentage of the Federal income tax than they did 
before 2017.
  I probably should say this now, so I don't forget it: I believe there 
is a scam.
  So often when we go home, we have people who meet you at your grocery 
store. You are at Walmart, Costco, whatever, when someone comes up to 
you, Madam Speaker, and they have the latest conspiracy theory or the 
number of times our cell phones are just filled with them.
  Madam Speaker, I will give you one that is not a conspiracy theory. 
It is math. If you take the President's speech and say: We are going to 
tax rich people-- Remember, Madam Speaker, I have come to this floor 
multiple times and shown you what happens when you do tax maximization 
of those over $400,000 and you can't even get anything close. You get 
about 1.5 percent of GDP. This year, we are basically borrowing, what, 
9.6 percent of the GDP.
  Does anyone do some basic math and see the difference?
  We have a problem. Be that as it may, it is great political rhetoric 
both on the right and the left because we are a populist country now: 
tax the rich people.
  Great. It doesn't get you anywhere near where you need to be.
  So when we get near the end of this decade, the Social Security trust 
fund is empty and the transportation trust fund is empty, the President 
got his way, and we have tax maximized just to cover the shortfall in 
the Medicare trust fund. Madam Speaker, where do you get the money?
  I will lay a marker down today, by the end of this decade this 
country will have a VAT tax, a value added tax, just like the rest of 
the industrialized world, just like Europe and just like everyone else. 
At that moment, the working middle class--that hardworking middle 
class--will be poorer. That is the scam that is going on because that 
is where the money is.
  So, Madam Speaker, you have this dancing here.
  It works politically. Think about this: as the wealthier and better 
educated have moved more to the Democratic Party and working people 
have moved to the Republican Party, depending on who is in power at the 
end of this decade, be prepared.
  If we don't make some of these policy changes that change the cost of 
healthcare, then there is no mathematical way we make it out of this 
decade without kicking the working class in the head. That is what is 
going on.
  So let's walk through some of this.
  So over here, Madam Speaker, you have got to understand one of the 
key things that happened when we did tax reform is we functionally took 
one-half of the society, one-half of the working people in this 
country, the poor working people, understand, but half of them pay 
almost no income taxes. Okay?
  Now, you get over here to that top 1 percent, and, yes, they had a 
huge tax cut. They went from 26.8 to 25.6. However, we also removed a 
whole bunch of other deductions. We are going to talk about that. So it 
is always amusing

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here when you have our brothers and sisters from high tax States 
saying: we want SALT because it goes mostly to really rich people, and 
they write us checks.
  So we are going to blaze through these because we have a lot to do 
tonight.
  I did this last week. I want to make the point that this number is 
now wrong. Now our estimate is we are going to have interest this 
year--interest this fiscal year--of $1.1 trillion. Madam Speaker, $1.1 
trillion dollars of interest in the 2024 fiscal year means Social 
Security is the number one spend at $1 trillion 450 billion, interest 
will be number two, Medicare will be number three, and defense is now 
number four.
  We all heard that in the President's speech, right?
  I keep trying to make the point over and over and over that it is not 
just those of us who think it is more ethical to do gross interest, if 
you even do net interest--net interest--now that means you pretend you 
didn't pay any interest to the Social Security trust fund, Medicare 
trust fund, transportation trust fund, railroad retirement trust fund, 
and all the others. You just say you borrowed the money, and you didn't 
pay anything--we are just going to keep that off the books--just the 
interest we pay out to those people who bought U.S. debt, bonds, T-
bills, notes, that is still the second highest spend.

  Nonetheless, that would be inconvenient to go out and tell the truth, 
wouldn't it?
  So I am laying myself on the line. I believe if you look at the 
trendline--even from the Budget Office at the White House, they have 
kept revising the number, revising the number, and revising the 
number--there is a very good chance total gross debt, borrowing, 
borrowing, this year, $2.8 trillion, it could actually kiss up to 3.
  Now, why is this such a big deal?
  Think about it, Madam Speaker.
  Why is this such a big deal?
  Didn't we just have a gentleman standing behind that microphone 
telling us how great the economy was, how great all the spending was, 
and how much it had moved the economy?
  Okay. GDP is actually reasonable. It is actually pretty good right 
now.
  How is it possible we are running a $2.8, $3 trillion deficit in a 
time when the economy is supposedly doing well?
  Madam Speaker, do you understand that these are deficits that would 
have been in the middle of the pandemic?
  The wheels have come off, and this place isn't willing to actually 
deal with the reality.
  When we can't even do a deficit commission, when we sit here and 
fight for months over things that would be rounding errors, then we are 
borrowing like $9 billion a day, and we are going to shut the place 
down for months over $16 billion?
  Does anyone see a math problem?
  We basically burnt this place down for a couple of days of interest, 
borrowing.
  So let's actually walk through what is about to happen to each of 
you. We will use 2026 because that is the year you are going to pay 
your taxes.
  Next year, a number of the provisions of the tax reform from December 
2017, expire.
  So let's walk through. Let's say you are a middle American. You are 
basically working. Right now, you have a 24 percent tax rate. 
Congratulations. You go up to 28. If you are one of those top earners, 
then you now have functionally a 37 percent tax rate, you are going to 
39.6. All the marginal tax rates go up, and that happens next year.
  So the moment this election is over, and the negotiations begin on 
this it will matter who is in the Senate Finance Committee and who is 
in the House Ways and Means Committee because the math takes off.
  So let's actually go a little bit further. The expiring 2025 tax 
provisions, standard deduction, if you are single, Madam Speaker, you 
get a $14,600 deduction, that goes away next year, and that standard 
deduction goes to $8,300.
  Does anyone see a problem?
  Married, you get a $29,200 deduction today. A year from now, that is 
gone. You go to $16,600.
  I am sure glad the President spent a bunch of time talking about how 
we were going to protect the middle class and make the economy continue 
to grow.
  So here is just a baseline. The baseline number, and this is already 
the law, you are a single individual, you make $60,000, you will pay 
$1,794 more, $1,794 at the end of next year. That is the law. It is 
already baseline.
  So, Madam Speaker, understand the crazy amount of spending that was 
talked about behind that microphone last week. They are already relying 
on your taxes going up.
  So let's walk through a couple of other things so people understand. 
In 2025 tax provisions for pass-throughs expire.
  Do any of you have an LLC? A family business? A side hustle?
  Do you have a little LLC, you make some income, you do some 
consulting. Maybe you are a fancy Sub-Chapter S Corporation. Maybe you 
are a partnership. Maybe you are one of those employee-owned type 
businesses. You understand, Madam Speaker, current status, you can 
deduct equal to 20 percent. I was trying to find a way to make it 
equal, so you have the same fairness for Sub-Chapter C Corporations. 
That is gone. Your taxes are going up a whole bunch if you are an LLC 
or a pass-through.
  Employer credit for paid leave goes away next year. It just goes 
away. Right now, credit up to 25 percent for up to 12 weeks, you get a 
25 percent credit. That was one of the incentives that was built into 
the 2017 tax reform. It expires. It goes away.
  I am sure glad this place is stepping up and understanding the 
expiring provisions and the kick in the head that it will be to the 
working class because we are making the numbers work, right?
  All right. Another expiring 2025 provision is the State and local tax 
deduction. Now those of you from high tax States, you are giddy. The 
deduction right now is capped at $10,000, and it goes back. It goes 
back to as high as you want.
  The great irony here is when you have the Bernie Sanderses of the 
world who basically say: This is a tax cut, a tax deduction for the 
ultrawealthy. Years ago, I came back and did the charts on this, and it 
was somewhere in the 80 percent, almost 90-plus percent went to really 
the top 1 or 2 percent income earners.
  Watch how many of our friends on the left, our Democratic colleagues, 
fight like crazy for this even though it is a complete violation of 
every principle they claim, except it happens to be their constituents 
and their contributors.
  Let's have a little more darkness here. There is the expiring 2025 
tax provision, the child tax credit and credit for other dependents. 
Right now you get a couple thousand dollars, and it phases out when you 
get to around that $400,000. Next year, it is no longer $2,000. It goes 
to one, and it starts to phase out at $110,000, not $400,000.
  This is already the law. This is what is coming.
  I was delusional. I thought the President would actually talk about: 
hey, these are the things I am willing to support in the tax reform and 
its extensions.
  Current status: You get $500 per dependent. That is gone.
  Expiring in 2025 tax provisions, some more stuff that is expiring. 
The current status, 100 percent of first-year bonus deduction through 
2022. This is what we did a couple weeks--well, 2 months ago now. It is 
still sitting in the Senate where we were just trying to fix some of 
the bonus depreciation because it turns out--all right, I am going to 
backtrack on myself, but this is important.
  When you hear some of us come behind the microphone and talk about 
being able to deduct research and development, Madam Speaker, you 
realize that is not a deduction, that is a depreciation. It is a timing 
effect. You get to take it over 5 or 7 years that you spent all this 
money developing a new technology or you can take it today. However, 
you still take it as a deduction.
  The difference is if you do it over 5 years, then you have to finance 
your cost, and in today's environment, that financing has gotten much 
more expensive.
  It is just like expensing when you buy a new piece of equipment so 
you are more productive and so you can pay your workers more, so you 
can actually grow the economy and grow your business.
  When depreciating that piece of equipment, do you do it in one day or 
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                              {time}  1945

  It is still the same depreciation. The difference is if you do it 
over 7 years, you have to finance the piece of equipment. If you do it 
in the first year, you can take it now, and the reinvestment cycle gets 
dramatically faster. That is why you are seeing productivity shoot up.
  Is that an expense to the Government; I mean, for our tax 
collections? It is a timing effect. If you do it in the 10-year window 
it hits, but if you use a perpetual horizon, it is the same thing. The 
economics say you actually get more growth.
  Please understand, one of the great advocates for doing the expensing 
was I think this ultraconservative President--what was his name--oh, 
yes, Barack Obama. Part of this was his idea.
  Just understand, the expensing is gone.
  Now we need to talk about--I am so glad the President basically said 
we are not going to touch Social Security; we are not going to talk 
about it. In the budget they just dropped, they did actually put out 
money for the Medicare Trust Fund, but there is nothing there for 
Social Security.
  Why am I the only idiot that keeps coming behind these microphones 
saying in 8 or 9 years we double senior poverty? It is immoral, but is 
it just immoral for me? I don't understand why our brothers and sisters 
don't walk around here and understand we already have lots of data 
about the number of baby boomers who are ending up homeless right now 
because they weren't prepared--because they were renters--for what was 
happening to their rent costs. There is a spike in homeless baby 
boomers.
  In 8, 9 years, the Social Security trust fund, you get a 25 percent 
cut. If you are an average working couple in America, that is a $17,400 
cut. You double senior poverty.
  I did multiple presentations here, but I did a big one 3 weeks ago--I 
had almost at least 200-plus thousand views on YouTube, so someone 
cared enough to watch it, and many of the comments were insane--that 
basically showed the Democrats' proposal to just raise the cap doesn't 
get you anywhere close to covering the shortfall.
  Here, I will do this backwards. The first year, the very first year--
so my math, this is in 2033, but they want me to use 2034 because that 
is the vetted number. The first year, the shortfall is $616 billion. We 
know this is coming. It is really crappy to talk about this when you 
are out there campaigning because, God knows, we don't want to tell our 
voters the actual truth of how hard and how difficult what is coming at 
us is, but it is math. It is real. If you raise the cap on $400,000 and 
up, you only cover about a quarter of this. You have still doubled 
senior poverty.
  That is the morality of this place.
  Look, it is not Republican or Democrat. It is demographics. We got 
old. We only have a fraction of the workers. We have got an update--
what was it--a week ago Friday. U.S. fertility rates have collapsed 
again, so we are down to like 1.63. Basically that math means in 15 
years the United States has more deaths than births.
  All these things are fixable.
  I am just exhausted. I keep coming behind these microphones to see if 
anyone cares. Is it too hard to tell the truth? I even have some of 
the--what is a nice way to say the Republican industrial establishment 
fighting like crazy to stop the debt and deficit commission because 
they are terrified that one of the special interests that finances 
their group might actually have to step it up.
  Does anyone actually care about the country?
  This is the type of crap that takes down a republic. It is not my 
feelings. It is not Republican math. It is not Democrat math. It is 
demographics. It is what we are.
  Here is the chart I get the most complaints about, and it happens to 
be maybe the one--and it is already out of date because we no longer 
think this number is $116 trillion deficit in 30 years; we now think it 
is closer to 130. So it gives you an idea. This chart is now 3 years 
out of date.
  Madam Speaker, 100 percent of the borrowing from today through the 
next 30 years--100 percent of the borrowing from today through the next 
30 years is interest, healthcare costs, and Medicare. Then if the 
decision is to backfill Social Security, that is what you get.
  It always goes silent. You always get, David, no one wants to see 
that board. I have actually had a Member come up to me angrily in the 
elevator once telling me that I have got to stop doing that. I had to 
actually face a question at one of my townhalls about that chart.
  These are the facts.
  Once again, a couple weeks ago because I am an idiot I came here and 
showed the chart that says Social Security, you and your spouse, you 
and your partner, you get back every dime plus about a $70,000 spiff. 
Now, that is a crap rate of return. You would have done so much better 
if you had been allowed to take a little sliver and put it in the 
markets, but that ship sailed 20 years ago.
  Medicare, for every dime you put in, you are functionally now close 
to getting $5 back. That is the primary driver. We are not supposed to 
talk about that, but that is the primary driver. Think about what 
happened--and this is my point I have made for years here. We talk 
about healthcare as a financing issue; not as a reducing the cost of 
delivering healthcare.
  ObamaCare, ACA, it was a financing bill. It was who had to pay, who 
got subsidized. The Republican alternative was a financing bill. It was 
who got subsidized, who had to pay. Medicare for All is a financing 
bill.
  None of these are about what we pay. I will argue there is an 
incredible morality out there that could be bipartisan taking on 
obesity, taking on diabetes being 33 percent of all healthcare spending 
in this country. What would happen if we could actually make a huge 
dent in that? It would be the most powerful thing you could do for U.S. 
sovereign debt, income inequality, family formation, and just the 
morality of society. But instead, we don't talk about fixing health, we 
talk about how we are going to raise taxes to finance more of it.

  Is this place completely void of the ability to think?
  Let's get into a couple of these charts that I have only had a little 
glimpse at because we were building these off the President's budget 
that was delivered today. Look, you have all seen the press coverage; 
oh, the President proposes, the Congress disposes. But that is not the 
point. What is in there is they give you the latest baselines. They are 
supposed to be honest about the baselines. I started with showing the 
chart and then actually showing that 7 months ago, we are actually now 
six, $700 billion more in borrowing, and every time they update it, it 
keeps going up.
  Comparing debt held by the public projections in CBO's baseline 
estimate to 2025 budget resolution, you know, from the budget 
resolution and the 2025 President's budget, we have got a math problem. 
We are basically missing each other's numbers. If you do it over a 
decade, understand the baseline looks like at the end of the decade we 
are going to be well over $48 trillion.
  That makes sense. If we are clicking off a trillion dollars about 
every 125 days, you really think the credit markets are going to keep 
loaning us money at favorable interest rates when we are staring down 
$50 trillion at the end of this decade? Remember, we are supposed to be 
working on the 2025 budget.
  Comparing revenue projections in the CBO baseline estimates for the 
2025 resolution and the 2025 President's budget. And then you take 
that, and you stretch it out over 10 years, so take it out to 2034. The 
President's FY budget projects $70 trillion in deficit spending through 
2034.
  Look, that is just stunning because, believe it or not, that is like 
$7 trillion higher than the Congressional Budget Office. We are just 
now starting to break in. All I can tell you is they have a number on 
there that is just stunning. We are trying to figure out: Where did it 
come from? How is that possible?
  That is $7 trillion higher. That is what it is.
  Look, we keep going over and over and over, and we are going to do 
another presentation in a couple weeks where we will actually try to 
make this much more understandable. But the point I am going at--and 
when I get through these, I will try to close on this, Madam Speaker--
the President promised us lots and lots of new taxes.

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No one has begun to do the estimations of what it does to the economy, 
yet there was almost no discussion of what we are going to do to make 
healthcare actually more affordable. We are going to play the con job 
of we are just going to raise taxes from one group, put it over in the 
other group, and we are going to pretend that you can shore it up by 
taxing rich people.
  Okay. Fine. I am not bleeding for rich people. What I am bleeding for 
is the fact that once you use their wealth to shore up the Medicare 
trust fund, how do you plan to take care of Social Security, which is 
three-quarters of the problem, so three times bigger? You were willing 
to talk about the one quarter. I guess that is called good politics. I 
am sure they polled it all before they got there.
  You start looking about the total cumulative receipts--and, remember, 
we don't actually have tax collections, we call them receipts. That is 
actually the proper term in the tax world. You know, we actually have a 
mismatching problem where the President's budget basically keeps saying 
somehow they are going to have $7 trillion more in tax receipts than 
the CBO baseline.
  We are going to dig into this and try to understand where it comes 
from because it is not only CBO, it is also the fiscal budget, and 
somehow there is this magic money that appears over the rest of this 
decade.
  All right. Two more of these, and it always helps if you put it 
right-side up.
  Total difference in receipts. We start to understand they expect 
substantially higher income taxes. Okay. Everybody needs to get ready. 
Corporate taxes are also higher. Payroll taxes, now that is the one 
that has stayed fairly flat in the way of these new projections, and 
that is what actually finances our Social Security. That is actually 
what finances--up until recently--our Medicare Part A. The numbers just 
don't line up.
  I am not even going to make you suffer through this.
  Madam Speaker, back to the point at hand. In 9 years, maybe 8 years, 
we double senior poverty. The President said he wants to raise taxes 
rather dramatically on people with $100 million, because apparently if 
you have $100 million, you are a billionaire.
  Okay. That may be enough money to shore up part of the Medicare trust 
fund, but once again, the vast majority of Medicare spending is general 
fund spending. That is actually the single biggest driver--that and now 
interest--of our debt and deficits.

                              {time}  2000

  Did you all see the stunts last year and now again this year of, 
``Well, you are not allowed to talk about Social Security''? So, they 
are willing to double senior poverty.
  My simple projection is that this Congress has decided to put the 
bond market in charge of this government because the first moment the 
bond market doesn't want our borrowing--remember, $95,000 a second is 
what we are borrowing. That is about $9 billion a day that we are 
borrowing. Understand, we have actually had a couple of months so far 
this year when we had to borrow money to pay the interest.
  Madam Speaker, I am going to yield back because I am bewildered. I am 
not sure anyone cares anymore, but these numbers are going to wipe us 
out, and making up crap to win the next election is immoral.
  Madam Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.

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