[Congressional Record Volume 167, Number 223 (Monday, January 3, 2022)]
[Extensions of Remarks]
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                JOE ROGAN EXPERIENCE NO. 1757 TRANSCRIPT

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                           HON. TROY E. NEHLS

                                of texas

                    in the house of representatives

                        Monday, January 3, 2022

  Mr. NEHLS. Madam Speaker, on December 31, 2021 Joe Rogan hosted Dr. 
Robert Malone M.D. on his podcast to discuss the COVID-19 pandemic and 
the Federal government's response. That podcast has been met with 
unbridled censorship by big tech. In. accordance with House rules, I 
add the first five pages of the transcript to the Record, the remainder 
can be viewed at https://nehls.house.gov/posts/joe-rogan-experience-
1757-dr-robert-malone-md-full-transcript.

                     Experience No. 1757 Transcript

                  (By Joe Rogan and Dr. Robert Malone)

       Joe Rogan: So, first of all, thanks for coming and uh very 
     nice tie.
       Dr. Robert Malone: Thanks christmas present um actually 
     ryan cole is the one that first got these and uh my wife has 
     been jealous ever since so this is what I got for  . . .
       JR: Where does one get a Covid tie?
       RM: I don't know she looked it up on on Amazon or some 
     place and and found it
       JR: you gotta love how industrious some of these folks are 
     they're just you know they find a niche like I know what I 
     wanna sell: Covid ties and there you go.
       RM: I gotta I gotta have a tux for an event that's coming 
     up in texas in a couple of months and so my wife is writing 
     to the guy that does the ties and to see if he can make a bow 
     tie that's got the virus on it
       JR: are you uh I niean are you tired of this . . .
       RM: tired
       JR: . . . dealing with this do you feel a duty to talk 
     about this like we should just say uh because uh historically 
     we should just state what's happening here so today is the 20 
     no the 30th of december and yesterday you were kicked off 
     twitter correct
       RM: true
       JR: Um, we scheduled this in advance. It's just 
     coincidentally that you were kicked off twitter. What what 
     were you kicked out first of all before we even do this 
     please tell everybody what your history is and what your what 
     your degrees are and what you do?
       RM: okay so I'm going to do the short version okay um some 
     you know this can last for an hour um if we go into the whole 
     history of mrna vaccines and all that kind of stuff uh my 
     history I I am uh I was originally a carpenter and a farmhand 
     uh in the central coast of california and decided that I 
     wanted to go back to school and uh did two years of computer 
     science and then decided that I didn't want to spend the rest 
     of my life looking at a computer monitor in abasement bad 
     decision and decided that I wanted to try to become an MD 
     which was a hard thing to try to do in the in the late 70s so 
     that was a real stretch objective. Went to uc davis after two 
     years of undergrad at san barbara city college and uh and 
     wanted to work on this new tech space called molecular 
     biology in particular on cancer my mother was deathly afraid 
     of breast cancer and so I looked around and found laboratory 
     at uc davis with a guy named bob cardiff and another guy 
     named murray gardner that were working with retroviruses and 
     their links to breast cancer and it just happened that while 
     I was in there this is circa 83 84. um this whole thing cut 
     loose in san francisco with the immunodeficiency syndrome in 
     men and uh the lab ended up right at the forefront of that 
     you know davis is just down the street basically from san 
     francisco and at the davis primate center they had discovered 
     that there were monkeys that had immune deficiency and so I 
     was there in the lab as an undergraduate as a total bench rat 
     m when preston marks and murray gardner and others made the 
     first discovery of a retrovirus basis for emitter deficiency 
     in primates and uh then murray went to the pastor brought 
     back the virus literally in his pocket um he

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     went with there with bob gallo met with a guy named Luc 
     Montagnier that you may know and uh that kind of kicked off 
     the whole vaccine effort for aids so I that's kind of what I 
     cut my teeth on uh and so I came out of that I you know I was 
     uh it was it was really bold to think that I could get into 
     medical school um and I kind of overshot the mark I qot an MD 
     PhD scholarship at northwestern university in chicago and uh 
     so I went from having grown up in santa barbara with my wife, 
     we were high school sweethearts, to chicago and that was kind 
     of an abrupt uh transition so um we decided I would do my 
     graduate work at san diego and i'd been accepted into a 
     program at uc san diego that had two of the top gene therapy 
     specialists I really wanted to do gene therapy with 
     retroviruses that was what I thought was going to be my life 
     and so we moved down to san diego and I started working in 
     the laboratory of indoor verma which is in the molecular 
     biology and virology labs at the salk institute and this is a 
     place where graduate students normally aren't allowed to go 
     it was there was seven nobel laureates at the time plus Jonas 
     a really intense competitive environment carved out a little 
     niche that I was going to work on for my graduate work which 
     was asking questions about how retrovirus RNA is packaged and 
     from that I had to develop a series of technologies to 
     manufacture RNA and structure it and eventually put it into 
     cells and that through a cascade of events being at the right 
     place the right time asking the right questions surrounded by 
     geniuses led to the series of discoveries that now performs 
     the basis of the RNA technology platform that gives rise to 
     these vaccines and 10 issued patents from they were all filed 
     in '89. So, that's kind of my origin story that it relates to 
     this virus and vaccine and this but since then went on 
     finished my md did two fellowships at uc davis top pathology 
     for years set up a gene therapy lab had many other 
     discoveries came out to the east coast created the technoloqy 
     platform that is now the basis of the company called inovio 
     we actually originally founded inovio in the United States 
     this is uh pulsed electrical fields they have one of the DNA 
     vaccines for Covid then the planes hit the towers the 
     investors pulled back and I went to work for a company called 
     dynport vaccine company that had the prime systems contract 
     as government speak for all the biodefense products for the 
     department of defense for advanced development which is to 
     say clinical trials through licensure and that's my kind of 
     transition from being an academic to focusing on actually 
     making things that work in people and the big epiphany there 
     was that the world is full of these academic thought leaders 
     that publish in big journals and stuff but that doesn't 
     really lead to products and I really wanted to make products 
     that would help people and so since then for the last I guess 
     about 20 years I've been focused on actually doing stuff 
     regulatory affairs, clinical development, getting necessary 
     training, etc. completed a fellowship at harvard university 
     medical school in uh global as a qlobal clinical scholar to 
     round out my cv and I've uh run you know over 100 clinical 
     trials mostly in the vaccine space but also in drug 
     repurposing I've been involved in every major outbreak since 
     aids this is kind of what I do um I've won literally billions 
     of dollars in federal grants and contracts I'm often brought 
     in by nih to serve as a study section chair for awarding you 
     know 80 to 120 million dollar contracts in vaccines and 
     biodefense I've spent countless hours at the CDC at the AC 
     ACIP meetings um I have multiple friends at the CDC I work 
     closely with defense threat reduction agency which is a and 
     it's one of my favorite uh clients partners teaming partners 
     and I work with the chem biodefense group there's other 
     branches um including the other this is not the branch that 
     funded the wuhan labs that's another branch of DTRA um I've 
     got many friends in the intelligence community so I'm I'm 
     kind of a pretty deep insider in terms of the government I 
     know Tony Fauci personally I've dealt with him my whole 
     career and then and then we had this particular outbreak and 
     um I was uh tip of the spear on bringing the ebola vaccine 
     forward that we now call the merc ebola vaccine I'm the one 
     that got Merk involved.
       JR: now when the pandemic broke out previous to that I mean 
     you're you're kind of thought of as a heretic now in some 
     strange way . . .
       RM: Pariah.
       JR: yeah it's probably a better word and the fact that 
     you've been banned from twitter is it's it's very confusing 
     because I've been following your tweets and I've been reading 
     all the things you've written and I don't understand how it 
     justifies a ban and I don't know what was the partic 
     particular tweet did they tell you what the particular tweet 
     was or what the offense was that
       RM: they never tell you
       JR: they never told you
       RM: well they never tell anybody
       JR: they removed you for not going along with whatever the 
     tech narrative is because tech clearly has a censorship 
     agenda when it comes to COVID in terms of treatment in terms 
     of the whether or not you're promoting what they would call 
     vaccine hesitancy they can ban you for that they can ban you 
     for in their eyes what they think is a justifiable offense 
     and they're doing this and I don't know who these people are 
     that are doing this but they're doing these this one of the 
     most important things about you reading out your history like 
     that is to one of the most qualified people in the world to 
     talk about vaccines
       RM: well thank you for that I I think that that's so one 
     way that some people put it is and of course since this has 
     happened I've been contacted by multiple lawyers that are 
     looking at filing a suit just like alex berenson has one 
     against twitter um and and the point is made just with what 
     you just made uh um if so the point that I I think is kind of 
     succinct on this is um if my voice if if there's no merit to 
     my voice being in the conversation whether I it's true or not 
     whether I'm factually correct or hot let's park that just for 
     a minute whether or not I'm right in everything I say and I 
     freely admit no one's perfect I'm not perfect it's one of my 
     core points is people should think for themselves and I try 
     really hard to give people the information and help them to 
     think not to tell them what to think okay um but the point is 
     if if I'm not if if it's not okay for me to be part of the 
     conversation even though I'm pointing out scientific facts 
     that may be inconvenient then who is who can be and whether 
     you're in the camp that says I'm a liar and I didn't invent 
     this technology despite the patents when there's a whole 
     cohort of that no one can debate that dispute that I played a 
     major role in the creation of this tech and virtually all 
     other voices that have that background have conflicts of 
     interest financial conflicts of interest I think I'm the only 
     one that doesn't I'm not getting any money out of this so i 
     think that it starts to touch on some fundamental 
     constitutional principles about rights of free speech I 
     suspect that's kind of where you're going on that
       JR: well most certainly but also how disturbing it is for 
     someone who's not an academic like myself to watch people 
     like you get silenced and silenced in this platform of social 
     media where people are exchanging information they're posting 
     up studies and you're discussing different parts of this 
     pandemic that are in the news and what the issues may lie in 
     and where your background and your expertise allows you to 
     explain this in a way that maybe it's not being explained 
     because of the narrative that's being discussed in the 
     mainstream news and to watch you get silenced first of all to 
     watch you get ostracized I've seen that I've seen people 
     distance themselves from you I've seen people call you a 
     crazy person and criticize you but with no specific thing to 
     point to it became like a tag they put on you like oh that 
     guy like I brought you up to someone and he goes oh that 
     guy's crazy I go how so there was no answer
       RM: yes so
       JR: okay so this is a thing you're gonna just say someone's 
     crazy when they say something that's inconvenient or say 
     something that makes you uncomfortable because you've decided 
     to accept a certain narrative. Did twitter warn you?
       RM: no.
       JR: Was there any tweets where they said that this is 
     misleading or anything?
       RM: no no they never do.
       JR: do you have any idea what the final tweet was or what 
     the context was?
       RM: I think I do and there's no way to confirm it until the 
     lawyers you know do their lawyering um now I did have in the 
     case of when I was banned from LinkedIn remember this 
     happened um
       RM: I wasn't aware of that
       JR: yeah I was de-platformed from linkedin many months ago 
     and uh it was uh there was actually two events of of de-
     platforming in linkedin and in both cases I was able to get 
     an explanation for what the specific crimes were the thought 
     crimes and in in the first I one it was a tweet a linkedin 
     posting in which I pointed out that the chairman of the board 
     of Thomson Reuters also sits on the board of pfizer and and I 
     simply wrote um is does this look like a conflict of interest 
     to you okay and this gets to your core question about tech 
     it's not tech it's it's the horizontal integration across all 
     major industries now under the control of common funds all of 
     these industries the harmonization of the tech censorship the 
     interests of pharma um big media etc and governments all 
     being harmonized in their messaging globally I mean I travel 
     a lot okay I see the same and I have physicians coming to me 
     all the time about what they're experiencing the same 
     playbook is going on every continent okay but getting back to 
     linkedin so this is this is the first event and steve kirsch 
     intervened called up a vice president of linkedin and steve 
     kirsh is a tech guy right yeah yes he's a silicon valley 
     entrepreneur um who you may or may not recall that I was on 
     the brett weinstein dark horse podcast with steve that kind 
     of lit this whole fire up months and months that's right okay 
     that's where I first saw him yeah so so he he has great 
     network connections in silicon valley he invented the optical 
     mouse um and so he he called this vice president linkedin the 
     guy looked into it meanwhile um people started dropping off 
     of linkedin in protest and there was major press articles all 
     over the world and then they reinstated me and I actually got 
     a very kind letter this is unprecedented personal letter from 
     this vice president apologizing and saying and saying 
     specifically that they didn't have the talent to fact check 
     me and uh then therefore they were gonna let me go now then 
     subsequently I got dropped again and a phone call was made 
     and they got put on. In that case, the sin was that some one 
     of their fact checkers because remember this is microsoft one 
     of their fact checkers had identified the atlantic monthly 
     article attack article was written about me and concluded 
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     anti-vaxxer and therefore I should not be allowed on linkedin 
     now the context for that that's fascinating is that atlantic 
     monthly attack article that is often cited by my detractors 
     and it's a fascinating read um we could go down that rabbit 
     hole but no reason um it was written a few days after peter 
     navarro and I came out with an op-ed in the washington times 
     in which we criticized biden policy on vaccines and said that 
     they should be reserved for those that need the most and not 
     used universally and we said some other things about the need 
     of of testing and um tools so that people can assess their 
     true risk it was a political retaliation intended to take me 
     off the map as I was starting to interact more of a public 
     policy sphere now with this this twitter event my wife and I 
     have racked our brains about what was the what is likely to 
     have been the tweet that triggered this and you know you 
     never know the last two that I can think of that went out was 
     one that was on our sub stack in which we um referred to a 
     fantastic video that has been put out by the canadian COVID 
     care alliance group that summarizes all the malfeasance and 
     data manipulation misinterpretation associated with the 
     pfizer vaccines and their clinical trials it's a super video 
     and um of course that's I guess that is uh interpreted as 
     something that would cause people to become vaccine hesitant 
     that's the sin in general is saying things that cause people 
     to become vaccine hesitant the other thing that I put out 
     immediately before that was a post a link to a website for 
     the world economic forum that lays out their entire strategy 
     for how they manage media how they're managing COVID-19 and 
     all of their core messaging it's a fascinating website with 
     links those are the only two things I can think of that would 
     meet the criteria. So, you know my position all the way 
     through this comes off of the platform of bioethics and the 
     importance of informed consent so my position is that people 
     should have the freedom of choice particularly for their 
     children um and that in order to con to appropriately choose 
     to participate in a medical experiment they have to be fully 
     informed of the risks as well as the benefits and so I've 
     tried really hard to make sure that people have access to the 
     information about those risks and potential benefits the true 
     unfiltered academic papers and raw data etc. and the policy 
     that's being implemented is one in which no discussion of the 
     risks are allowed because by definition they will elicit 
     vaccine hesitance so it can't be discussed but that's the 
     fundamental background that's the backbone of informed 
     consent so informed consent is not only not happening it's 
     being actively blocked that makes sense.
       JR: it does make sense and it's unprecedented I mean I 
     can't recall a time ever where people weren't able to discuss 
     the side effects of medication whether or not the studies are 
     accurate whether or not people should universally take these 
     things or whether it should be done on a person-by-person 
     basis this is a it's a very strange time and so when someone 
     who's an expert like yourself has a dissenting opinion and 
     you see that dissenting opinion immediately silenced or si- 
     or at least immediately criticized and then these attempts at 
     silencing it it just signifies how confusing and how troubled 
     the times were in are when Covid first hit when the lockdown 
     started happening in march of 2020 what was your position on 
     all this.
       RM: so you're kind of asking my origin story with Covid
       JR: yes I mean were you initially um have you taken the 
     COVID vaccine
       RM: so the answer is yes I've also been infected twice
       JR: after you took it um
       RM: once before I was infected at the end of February 
     because I was attending a MIT conference on drug discovery 
     and artificial intelligence so this is pre-lockdown February 
     20. you but it goes back further than that um there's a CIA 
     agent that I've co-published with in the past named Michael 
     Callahan he was in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019 he 
     called me from Wuhan on January 4th I was currently managing 
     a team that was focusing on drug discovery for 
     organophosphate poisoning ergo nerve agents for DTRA, defense 
     threat reduction agency, involving high-performing computing 
     and biorobot screening um high-end stuff and he told me 
     Robert you got to get your team spun up because we got a 
     problem with this new virus I worked with him through prior 
     outbreaks and so it was then that I turned my attention to 
     this started modeling um a key protein a protease inhibitor 
     of this virus when the sequence was released on January 11th 
     as the Wuhan seafood market virus and I've been pretty much 
     going non-stop ever since to that point with with drug 
     repurposing so I'm the one that originally discovered 
     famotidine as an agent um because I was self-treating myself 
     after I got infected with agents that we'd identified through 
     the computer modeling.

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