[Congressional Record Volume 166, Number 165 (Wednesday, September 23, 2020)]
[House]
[Pages H4725-H4732]
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     PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 4447, EXPANDING ACCESS TO 
  SUSTAINABLE ENERGY ACT OF 2019; PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 
  6270, UYGHUR FORCED LABOR DISCLOSURE ACT OF 2020; AND PROVIDING FOR 
  CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 8319, CONTINUING APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2021 AND 
                          OTHER EXTENSIONS ACT

  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I 
call up House Resolution 1129 and ask for its immediate consideration.
  The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:

                              H. Res. 1129

       Resolved, That upon adoption of this resolution it shall be 
     in order to consider in the House the bill (H.R. 4447) to 
     establish an energy storage and microgrid grant and technical 
     assistance program. All points of order against consideration 
     of the bill are waived. In lieu of the amendment in the 
     nature of a substitute recommended by the Committee on Energy 
     and Commerce now printed in the bill, an amendment in the 
     nature of a substitute consisting of the text of Rules 
     Committee Print 116-63, modified by the amendment printed in 
     part A of the report of the Committee on Rules accompanying 
     this resolution, shall be considered as adopted. The bill, as 
     amended, shall be considered as read. All points of order 
     against provisions in the bill, as amended, are waived. The 
     previous question shall be considered as ordered on the bill, 
     as amended, and on any further amendment thereto, to final 
     passage without intervening motion except: (1) 90 minutes of 
     debate equally divided among and controlled by the chair and 
     ranking minority member of the Committee on Energy and 
     Commerce and the chair and ranking minority member of the 
     Committee on Science, Space, and Technology; (2) the further 
     amendments described in section 2 of this resolution; (3) the 
     amendments en bloc described in section 3 of this resolution; 
     and (4) one motion to recommit with or without instructions.
       Sec. 2.  After debate pursuant to the first section of this 
     resolution, each further amendment printed in part B of the 
     report of the Committee on Rules not earlier considered as 
     part of amendments en bloc pursuant to section 3 of this 
     resolution shall be considered only in the order printed in 
     the report, may be offered only by a Member designated in the 
     report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for 
     the time specified in the report equally divided and 
     controlled by the proponent and an opponent, may be withdrawn 
     by the proponent at any time before the question is put 
     thereon, shall not be subject to amendment, and shall not be 
     subject to a demand for division of the question.
       Sec. 3.  It shall be in order at any time after debate 
     pursuant to the first section of this resolution for the 
     chair of the Committee on Energy and Commerce or his designee 
     to offer amendments en bloc consisting of further amendments 
     printed in part B of the report of the Committee on Rules 
     accompanying this resolution not earlier disposed of. 
     Amendments en bloc offered pursuant to this section shall be 
     considered as read, shall be debatable for 20 minutes equally 
     divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority 
     member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce or their 
     respective designees, shall not be subject to amendment, and 
     shall not be subject to a demand for division of the 
     question.
       Sec. 4.  All points of order against the further amendments 
     printed in part B of the report of the Committee on Rules or 
     amendments en bloc described in section 3 of this resolution 
     are waived.
       Sec. 5.  Upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in 
     order to consider in the House the bill (H.R. 6270) to amend 
     the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 to require issuers to 
     make certain disclosures relating to the Xinjiang Uyghur 
     Autonomous Region, and for other purposes. All points of 
     order against consideration of the bill are waived. An 
     amendment in the nature of a substitute consisting of the 
     text of Rules Committee Print 116-64 shall be considered as 
     adopted. The bill, as amended, shall be considered as read. 
     All points of order against provisions in the bill, as 
     amended, are waived. The previous question shall be 
     considered as ordered on the bill, as amended, and on any 
     further amendment thereto, to final passage without 
     intervening motion except: (1) one hour of debate equally 
     divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority 
     member of the Committee on Financial Services; and (2) one 
     motion to recommit with or without instructions.
       Sec. 6.  Upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in 
     order to consider in the House without intervention of any 
     question of consideration the bill (H.R. 8319) making 
     continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2021, and for other 
     purposes. All points of order against consideration of the 
     bill are waived. The bill shall be considered as read. All 
     points of order against provisions in the bill are waived. 
     Clause 2(e) of rule XXI shall not apply during consideration 
     of the bill. The previous question shall be considered as 
     ordered on the bill and on any amendment thereto to final 
     passage without intervening motion except: (1) one hour of 
     debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and 
     ranking minority member of the Committee on Appropriations; 
     and (2) one motion to recommit.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Massachusetts is 
recognized for 1 hour.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield 
the customary 30 minutes to the gentlewoman from Arizona (Mrs. Lesko), 
pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During 
consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purpose 
of debate only.

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                             General Leave

  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members 
be given 5 legislative days to revise and extend their remarks.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from Massachusetts?
  There was no objection.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, on Monday, the Rules Committee met and 
reported a rule, House Resolution 1129, providing for consideration of 
three measures.
  First, the rule provides for consideration of H.R. 4447, the Clean 
Economy Jobs and Innovation Act, under a structured rule. The rule 
provides 90 minutes of debate equally divided among and controlled by 
the chairs and ranking minority members of the Committee on Energy and 
Commerce and the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. The rule 
self-executes a manager's amendment, makes in order 98 amendments, and 
provides en bloc authority and one motion to recommit.
  The rule also provides for consideration of H.R. 6270, the Uyghur 
Forced Labor Disclosure Act of 2020, under a closed rule. The rule 
provides 1 hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the chair 
and ranking minority member of the Committee on Financial Services, and 
it provides one motion to recommit.
  Finally, the rule provides for the consideration of H.R. 8319, the 
Continuing Appropriations Act, 2021 and Other Extensions Act, under a 
closed rule. The rule provides for 1 hour of debate equally divided and 
controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on 
Appropriations and provides one motion to recommit.
  Mr. Speaker, the bills contained in this rule are about meeting our 
responsibility here at home and living up to our values abroad.
  First is H.R. 8319, a continuing resolution to keep our government 
funded through December 11. Fortunately, we won't need to call this 
bill up because a compromise passed this House last night by a vote of 
359-57. That is quite an accomplishment because sometimes we can't even 
agree on what to have for lunch here, yet we were able to come together 
to keep this government open. That is good news for the American 
people.
  Second is H.R. 4447, a sweeping energy package that will help our 
Nation lead the world once more in clean energy. Investing in renewable 
energy like wind and solar won't just help us combat the threat of 
climate change; they will help us create jobs here at home that can 
never be outsourced.
  It is especially important that we are considering this package right 
now. There are wildfires raging in places like California, Oregon, and 
Washington that are leaving a heartbreaking path of destruction. 
Scientists are unequivocal: These fires are just the latest indication 
that climate change is real and is happening right now. This is not 
some long-off threat that we can leave for our kids or grandkids. This 
is happening today.
  By addressing it, we won't just protect our environment. We will 
create jobs at a time when our country badly needs them. Because of the 
coronavirus, our country is facing the worst economy since the Great 
Depression. The Labor Department said last week that 12.6 million 
Americans are collecting unemployment benefits. One year ago, that 
number stood at just 1.7 million.
  Renewable energy can and should be part of the equation in rebuilding 
this economy because, make no mistake, Mr. Speaker, jobs in things like 
solar energy will be created. The only question is whether they are 
created here or in other countries like China. I want them made in 
America.
  Lastly, the Rules Committee considered two bills on Monday to help 
defend the human rights of Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities who have 
suffered horrific human rights abuses at the hands of the Chinese 
Government: H.R. 6210, the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act, and H.R. 
6270, the Uyghur Forced Labor Disclosure Act.
  I am proud to have authored H.R. 6210, which passed the House with an 
overwhelming 406-3 vote yesterday. I also strongly support H.R. 6270, 
the Uyghur Forced Labor Disclosure Act, authored by my colleague, 
Representative Jennifer Wexton.
  It is disappointing that some Republican Members may oppose the 
Uyghur Forced Labor Disclosure Act that requires disclosures about 
products made with forced labor from a region where crimes against 
humanity and perhaps genocide are being committed by the Chinese 
Government.
  As many as 1.8 million Uyghurs and other predominantly Muslim 
minorities have been arbitrarily detained in mass internment camps and 
subjected to forced labor, torture, political indoctrination, and other 
severe human rights abuses.
  We know forced labor is widespread and systematic, and audits are 
simply not possible because workers cannot speak freely and honestly 
about working conditions given the heavy surveillance and intimidation 
by the Chinese Government.
  This legislation is essential to protect American investors and 
consumers through stronger disclosure requirements alerting them to the 
presence of Chinese and international companies whose operations enable 
the mass internment and population surveillance of Uyghurs and other 
Muslim minorities.
  Such involvements represent clear and material risks to shared values 
and the corporate reputations of these companies and U.S. investors and 
consumers.
  It seems the only argument against this bill is that it is similar to 
the Democratic Republic of the Congo conflict minerals provision from 
years ago, but the comparison simply just doesn't hold water.
  Free enterprise, as we know it, doesn't exist in the Xinjiang Uyghur 
Autonomous Region. It should not be compared to Africa in terms of the 
business climate or access.
  The Xinjiang economy is tightly controlled and directed by the 
Chinese Government and Communist Party. It is built on a foundation of 
forced labor and repression. International observers, the press, and 
government officials are restricted from even traveling there.
  Just this week, a number of respected supply chain auditing firms say 
they will no longer conduct inspections in Xinjiang because of the 
hostile environment ruled by fear.
  The argument against this legislation is that the DRC conflict 
minerals provision was bad because businesses left that region because 
they didn't want to or could not disclose their supply chains. Well, it 
is long past time for U.S. and international companies to reassess 
their supply chains and find alternatives to production in Xinjiang 
where forced labor is widespread and embedded in the regional economy.
  We don't think Chinese, U.S., and international companies should be 
exploiting the Uyghur and other Muslim people in allowing global supply 
chains to be contaminated with forced labor.
  So I hope on both sides of the aisle, but I say this to my Republican 
colleagues, to those who might be considering a ``no'' vote, think long 
and hard before voting against the bill that would help reveal the 
extent of how the Chinese Government's system of forced labor has 
contaminated global supply chains.
  I am proud to stand in solidarity with the Uyghur people and, indeed, 
all the people living under the rule of the Chinese Government in their 
struggle to live freely, practice their religious beliefs freely, and 
speak their own language freely.
  I urge all of my colleagues to join with us and give this rule and 
underlying bills a broad bipartisan vote so we can fulfill our 
obligations here at home and around the world.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, I thank Chairman McGovern for yielding me 
the customary 30 minutes, and I yield myself such time as I may 
consume.
  Mr. Speaker, this rule consists of two bills, including H.R. 4447, 
the Democrat's energy package. It consists of 38 bills with a total 
cost of $135 billion. The bill includes burdensome mandates and an 
incredibly high price tag.
  Mr. Speaker, let's be clear, Republicans support reducing carbon 
dioxide emissions in the United States by scaling up clean energy 
innovation with less regulation. Unfortunately, this bill adds new 
regulatory hurdles that make the clean energy technology deployment 
much more difficult to build. Regulations hurt innovations, especially 
at such a high price tag.

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  The bill fails to put forward policies that will reform the 
permitting and licensing process required to finance, build, expand, 
and modernize energy infrastructure. Instead, the bill spends billions 
of dollars on unfocused research without spending money on investments 
and infrastructure.
  Republicans have introduced numerous bills this Congress that will 
build, expand, and modernize our energy infrastructure.

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  They remove regulatory barriers to building nuclear, natural gas, and 
hydropower infrastructure. These are all clean and reliable sources of 
generation that will power America, protect the environment, and keep 
our country secure.
  The mandates contained in the bill will drive up energy and 
transportation costs for American consumers. For example, one of the 
mandates in the bill will mandate energy efficiency building codes, 
which the home building industry says will drive up the cost of housing 
to consumers without proportional savings in energy costs.
  H.R. 4447 will lead our country down the wrong path. We don't want to 
California the Nation with blackouts and high utility costs. Even 
minority groups are suing California utilities over their high energy 
costs. And believe it or not, California utilities actually pay Arizona 
for their renewable energy to take it off of their hands during certain 
times of the year. That is totally insane.
  I regularly meet with constituents and companies in Arizona who say 
they moved from California to Arizona because California's incredibly 
burdensome regulations stifle growth. California's current energy 
crisis was predictable and avoidable, but they ignored the scientists 
and engineers who maintain the electric grid and, instead, mandated 
their own version of the Green New Deal. In doing so, California forced 
the retirement of stable baseload power generation without a reliable 
option in place.
  The Democrats may claim that H.R. 4447 is a bipartisan bill. While it 
includes some bipartisan provisions, it is not a bipartisan bill. It 
was crafted solely by Democrats with no input from Republicans. Many of 
the provisions amount to billions of dollars of new and overlapping 
programs that had little to no process or regular order.
  I sit on the Rules Committee, where my colleagues reminisce regularly 
about how we used to operate through a committee system with regular 
order: a legislative hearing, a subcommittee markup, a full complete 
markup. Apparently, those days are gone. Now the Democrats legislate by 
posting a one-sided bill one week and putting it on the floor the 
following week.
  Public laws do not come out of this process well, only partisan 
politics and messaging bills. We all know that.
  Mr. Speaker, this rule also contains H.R. 6270, the Uyghur Forced 
Labor Disclosure Act.
  The United States is an honorable and noble country that must not 
tolerate the gross human rights abuses perpetrated by Chinese leaders. 
While the bill takes strong action to ensure American businesses are 
not complicit in China's forced labor programs, there are outstanding 
concerns in the bill that may harm U.S. businesses.
  For instance, the bill requires public companies to file disclosures 
with the SEC if they imported manufactured goods or other materials 
that originated in or are sourced in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous 
Region and disclose whether those goods originated in forced labor 
camps. These entities would also have to disclose the nature and extent 
of the commercial activity related to each good or material, the gross 
revenue and net profits attributable, and whether they intend to 
continue importing the good.
  China's atrocities against Uyghurs and other Muslim minority groups 
must come to an end, and we voted on that bill yesterday in a 
bipartisan fashion. We must ensure that items made with forced labor 
are not allowed to enter our markets.
  To do our jobs properly in Congress, we must allow bills to run their 
course through committees for proper debate, discovery, and amending.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge opposition to the rule, and I reserve the balance 
of my time.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I want to diverge from what we are considering today and 
recognize some of the people here who help us all navigate how 
legislation is considered.
  There are staff here that work day in and day out to make this 
Chamber function smoothly so that we can get things done on behalf of 
the American people. They aren't Democratic or Republican staff. They 
serve both sides without fear or favor. That team includes the staff in 
the Office of the Parliamentarian.
  Tom Wickham has served in that office for the last 25 years. As House 
Parliamentarian, he became a master of House procedure. And make no 
mistake, having an encyclopedic knowledge of how this place operates is 
no small thing, Mr. Speaker.
  Tom is now retiring after serving with distinction for many years. I 
want to recognize him, and I want to thank him for that service here 
today.
  Now, I could say a lot about Tom. On a physical level, Tom is usually 
the tallest person in the room, and a lot of people fit in this room. 
On a human level, Tom always makes time for everyone, from the most 
senior Members to the most junior staff. Unless he is in a meeting, the 
door to his office right across the hall is literally left open all the 
time.
  He has perfected the art of dry parliamentary humor. It is incredibly 
impressive when someone can make germaneness, promptly motions, and 
Deschler's Precedents funny.
  Tom is always willing to listen to argument and never too proud to 
change his mind or say he was wrong about something in the face of new 
information.
  To me and my staff, Tom Wickham appears to know everything about the 
rules and history of this House. But he is quick to say that he knows 
nothing about the Senate whenever we ask a Senate question; although, 
we suspect he knows everything about the Senate as well and just 
doesn't want to offend his friend, Elizabeth, the Senate 
Parliamentarian.
  Tom has guided us through some turbulent times. He has advised the 
presiding officer during times of heated debate, even yelling at times. 
He has been on that rostrum through impeachment proceedings and opening 
day sessions, during late nights often followed by all-too-early 
mornings.

  He has seen it all, and we are lucky to have had him at our side 
through it all. He will be missed, but we congratulate him on a well-
deserved retirement.
  Mr. Speaker, I also want to congratulate Jason Smith for being named 
the new House Parliamentarian. Many of us already know Jason pretty 
well, having worked with him in his prior role as Deputy 
Parliamentarian. His know-how made an impression, since he was named to 
this new role after a bipartisan recommendation, and I think that also 
is a tribute to his skills.
  Mr. Speaker, I want to thank Ranking Member Cole for working with me 
on this. I valued his advice and counsel, as I do so often as we serve 
together on the Rules Committee. His wisdom made this process largely 
an apolitical one.
  I could not ask for a better partner at the Rules Committee than the 
gentleman from Oklahoma, Tom Cole. He and I try to put this institution 
first, and I know that Jason will, too.
  It is clear Jason has the confidence of both sides of the aisle, and 
that is no small thing. I look forward to working with him in his new 
role.
  The truth is we are lucky to have such dedicated staff in the 
Parliamentarian's Office, and that includes Anne Gooch, who works with 
us day in and day out, whether it is at 7 a.m. or 11 p.m. My staff and 
I have her on speed dial. Her work also makes our work possible, and we 
are grateful.
  So we have a lot of debates on this floor, Mr. Speaker, all to make 
progress on behalf of the American people, but it is important during 
moments like this that we also recognize people whose work behind the 
scenes makes this progress possible.
  So, Mr. Speaker, I just want to pay this tribute to these incredible 
people, and I want to say thank you, thank you, thank you.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.

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  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from 
Oklahoma (Mr. Cole), my good friend, the ranking member of the Rules 
Committee.
  Mr. COLE. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman, my good friend, for 
yielding.
  I want to begin by responding to some of my friend's kind remarks, 
the chairman.
  We belong to different parties. We sometimes have our different 
points of view in the committee itself, which means on occasion we are 
going to be taking contrasting positions with one another, but I think 
one of the common traits that we have is that we both revere the 
institution of the House of Representatives and all of its procedures.
  I think we also really respect the staff, the personal staff, the 
committee staff, and, most especially, the professional staff of the 
House itself. What an extraordinary role they play in allowing us to do 
our job.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise to join Chairman McGovern in paying tribute to a 
dedicated public servant.
  Tom Wickham, the House Parliamentarian, has served this House with 
honor and distinction for the past 25 years and will be taking a well-
deserved retirement at the end of this month.
  Tom has expertly advised five Speakers and countless Members and 
staff throughout his distinguished tenure. His exceptional knowledge 
and understanding of the rules, procedures, and parliamentary precedent 
has been invaluable to this institution, and he will be sorely missed.
  Mr. Speaker, I am also proud to congratulate Jason Smith, the current 
Deputy Parliamentarian, on his appointment as the sixth Parliamentarian 
of the House.
  The Rules Committee has the benefit of working with the 
Parliamentarian's Office, frankly, more than any other committee, and I 
have every confidence that Jason will lead the office with the same 
standard of excellence his predecessors, particularly Mr. Wickham, have 
set.
  Finally, Mr. Speaker, I just want to take a moment to thank Chairman 
McGovern for seeking my opinion during the process to select our next 
Parliamentarian. That is not something he was required to do, but it 
speaks volumes about his respect for this institution and the role that 
the Parliamentarian plays for the minority, particularly on the Rules 
Committee, that he was interested in our perspective on this important 
decision.
  Let me close with this. My friend, the chairman, said that Mr. 
Wickham had seen everything.
  Well, we are hopeful that you don't write about everything that you 
have seen, and that you remember us as fondly as we remember you. But 
the sad thing is not very many people get to see your work and what you 
and your colleagues in the Parliamentarian's Office have done for each 
and every Member of this institution. Even our own Members quite often 
don't understand how indispensable your decisions and recommendations 
are to each side, to facilitate a full and open debate, to make sure 
that every person has an opportunity to express their opinion in the 
appropriate way under the procedures and rules of the House.
  So I just want to personally thank you for the extraordinary job you 
have done for all of those who have the privilege of being Members and, 
frankly, for our staffs as well, who work so closely with you and whom 
you advise so frequently and so professionally. We will really, really, 
really miss you, but we thank you for making sure that we had an 
adequate successor in place in Mr. Smith and a superb supporting staff 
that reflects your leadership.
  So we thank you for your hard work in a very bipartisan way, your 
professionalism, your decency, and, frankly, the honorable way in which 
you have discharged your duties for 25 years.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I think the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. 
Cole) would agree with me that we both learned more from the 
Parliamentarian's Office than we ever knew was possible as we engaged 
in trying to get a replacement for Mr. Wickham. Our admiration for the 
staff there has only increased.
  I just want to say one final thing here.
  Normally, under normal circumstances, this Chamber would be filled 
with Members, which I think we would all have preferred in order to 
give you a proper sendoff. Obviously, outside events have made that 
impossible, but we want you to know that everybody in this Chamber 
appreciates your incredible work. So I ask everybody who is here to 
give you a round of applause and say thank you.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.

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  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  If we defeat the previous question, I will offer an amendment to the 
rule to immediately consider Small Business Committee Ranking Member   
Steve Chabot's H.R. 8265 to reopen the Paycheck Protection Program to 
America's 30 million small businesses.
  Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of my 
amendment in the Record, along with extraneous material, immediately 
prior to the vote on the previous question.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentlewoman from Arizona?
  There was no objection.
  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, this amendment would ensure our Nation's 
smallest and most vulnerable firms get the support they need by 
allowing an opportunity for a second PPP loan with specific funds set 
aside for small businesses with 10 or fewer employees, expand the list 
of eligible covered expenses, simplify the loan forgiveness process, 
and extend PPP through the end of 2020.
  I think all of us can agree that this is very vital for our small 
businesses and their workers in America.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New 
York (Mr. Katko), my good friend.
  Mr. KATKO. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, there are seven legislative days remaining on the House 
calendar before this Chamber is scheduled to recess for more than a 
month. As every Member of this body knows, Americans are counting on us 
to use this time to respond to the sustained impact of the pandemic on 
our communities.
  Unfortunately, our constituents are left waiting as partisanship 
continues to block compromise and political interests continue to stand 
in the way of efforts to deliver relief to our constituents.
  For this reason, I support efforts to defeat the previous question 
and bring up commonsense legislation to support America's small 
businesses during this unprecedented crisis.
  The Paycheck Protection Program has been a critical, bipartisan 
success and an important example of what we can achieve when we work 
together for the good of the American people. In my district alone, PPP 
loans have delivered critical assistance to thousands of local 
businesses and helped save nearly 200,000 jobs.
  Although these loans played a pivotal role in helping small 
businesses navigate the immediate impact of the pandemic, many still 
face a dire economic outlook and uncertain road to recovery.
  Absent congressional action, entrepreneurs and business owners across 
this great country will have no choice but to close their doors.
  If the previous question is defeated, my colleagues will bring up 
legislation to authorize a second round of PPP loans for America's most 
vulnerable businesses and extend the program through the end of 2020.
  Critically, this bill will also set aside funds for our smallest 
businesses and make necessary simplifications to the loan forgiveness 
process. These provisions are not only critical to protecting our 
country's 30 million small businesses and the jobs they create; they 
represent a commitment to relief measures both parties can agree on.
  Considering these changes would represent a critical first step in 
bringing bipartisan relief measures to the floor and delivering 
comprehensive relief for every American.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote to defeat the previous 
question.

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  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  I just want to say for the record that if my Republican friends want 
to know why there is no agreement on another coronavirus relief package 
including PPP, they should call their friend Mitch McConnell because 
this House did its job.
  We passed the HEROES Act more than 125 days ago to help cash-strapped 
State and local governments, to help businesses on the brink, and to 
help Americans struggling in the middle of this pandemic.
  A lot of people are suffering. Hunger has increased in this country. 
Senate Republicans can't even come to an agreement amongst themselves. 
They couldn't even get their entire caucus on board, let alone 
Democrats.
  The HEROES Act is bipartisan, but even that hasn't been enough to get 
Mitch McConnell to take it up. Apparently, he couldn't find the time, 
Mr. Speaker, but he is moving with lightning speed to confirm a new 
Supreme Court Justice.
  Are you kidding me? In the middle of a pandemic he can't find the 
time to provide a vote on a package to help the American people and 
small businesses? Our restaurants are in deep trouble. Those of us who 
come from States--like I do in Massachusetts--outdoor dining is going 
to cease pretty soon because it is getting cold, and they don't know 
how they are going to get through the winter. And we can't even get the 
Senate to debate this stuff?
  More than 200,000 Americans are dead. The President says, Oh, 
everything is going great. 200,000 people are dead. Compare that to 
Canada or other countries that actually had a plan to manage this 
pandemic. Countless millions have been infected.
  The Senate needs to act. And shame on them for not acting.
  It should be more than just an assembly line that rubber-stamps 
conservative judges. There is legislating to do, and none more 
important than dealing with the impacts of this pandemic.
  I don't know whether the Senate majority leader has a heart of stone 
or what, but it is inexcusable. It is unconscionable. It is 
unbelievable that he hasn't acted, and so I urge my Republican 
colleagues to pick up the phone and call him and tell him to do 
something.
  I reserve the balance of my time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Members are reminded not to engage in 
personalities toward the Senate or its Members.
  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, wow, that was an impassioned speech by the chairman, but 
I have to remind the chairman that there were a lot of Democrat liberal 
wish lists in the relief package that were passed, including releasing 
prisoners that were 50 years old and older--didn't matter what they 
were charged with--from prison and giving $1,200 relief payments to 
illegal immigrants using taxpayer dollars.
  So maybe if Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats would have actually 
talked to Republicans before they pushed through a bill, there would 
have been more bipartisan support to help small businesses and the 
American people.
  With this previous question and the amendment, we are trying to do 
just that.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Nebraska (Mr. 
Bacon), my friend.
  Mr. BACON. Mr. Speaker, I rise today and ask that we defeat the 
previous question and move to pass Congressman Chabot's bill.
  We are now in our sixth month of this pandemic. In our efforts to 
combat this virus, the backbone of our economy, our small businesses, 
have suffered greatly. Only now, after months of government-imposed 
restrictions, is our economy starting to reopen and we are seeing the 
unemployment drop, in part, but not throughout our economy.
  Even in my home State of Nebraska, with the lowest unemployment rate 
in the Nation, some of our small businesses are still struggling. While 
restaurants and bars are getting back to work, others are still shut 
down. Our live music venues, our playhouses, our travel and tour 
companies are still facing some very dark times and may not open for 3 
months. Some may never reopen without Congressman Chabot's bill.
  Congress needs to put our partisan differences aside. Stop playing 
election-year political games and come together to help the American 
people. While we may be divided on if we should bail out cities that 
were struggling financially prior to COVID, we can all agree that 
certain segments of our economy are struggling in every city.
  This bill will help our Nation's smallest, most vulnerable businesses 
in every city. It will expand eligibility and expand the PPP throughout 
the end of the calendar year to help these businesses in every city.
  We can agree that this is needed from the East Coast to the West 
Coast and everywhere in-between. Congress should act now.
  I urge my colleagues to defeat the previous question and move to pass 
the low-hanging fruit of the Chabot bill.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, the good news and what is comforting to me is that the 
American people get this. They understand where the problem is.
  And I would just say to my friends who don't like everything in the 
HEROES Act, the way this process is supposed to work is we pass a bill 
in the House, the Senate passes a bill, and then we have a conference 
committee and we work out the details.
  Well, the only negotiating that has been going on is Democrats have 
been negotiating with themselves. We have actually lowered the request 
in the original HEROES Act--which I personally think is not the right 
thing to do, but I get it--to get something done.
  There is nothing in here that helps communities who are trying to 
deal with the school situation. In some places schools are opening, in 
some places they are not but there are all of these new expenses on how 
to make the classroom safer.
  When my friends say, Oh, we don't want to give any more money to 
cities and towns to deal with that, I don't know whether you talk to 
your superintendents, or your teachers, or your principals, or parents, 
but this is real and they are looking for some help.
  I mean, we are in the middle of a pandemic. We haven't seen anything 
like this since 1918. It has impacted our entire economy and you would 
never know it. You would never know it based on the inaction and the 
indifference over in the Senate.
  I mean, it just takes my breath away when we have leaders there, 
Republican leaders, who won't even come to the negotiating table. And I 
just find that appalling.
  I will just say one other thing. I urge everybody to vote for the 
previous question because let me just tell you something that some 
people don't appreciate; if you defeat the previous question, they get 
to bring up whatever they want to bring up.
  They can bring up this, they can bring up whatever. They basically 
take control of the House. And they may say they are going to bring up 
this, but who knows what they will bring up. And so this is a bad 
procedural maneuver, but it is designed to give them power.
  And, again, what I am learning here is that we don't share the same 
values on a lot of these things. I find that particularly disconcerting 
during a pandemic.
  In the past, after 9/11, I was here. George W. Bush was President. I 
didn't agree with him on a lot of stuff, but he helped bring this 
country together and get us all reading off the same sheet of music in 
terms of our response. It is very different now.
  So I would urge my colleagues again to vote ``yes'' on the previous 
question, and I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, I can guarantee Chairman McGovern, if we 
defeat the previous question, my amendment is what will be brought up 
to help small businesses and their workers.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. 
Reed).
  Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend for yielding me the time.
  Mr. Speaker, I had a speech prepared to give, but I am not going to 
read that speech because I think the chairman from Massachusetts 
highlighted the crux of the problem we face in this Chamber today.

  We don't trust each other any longer in this institution. As he just 
alluded

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to, don't give over the floor, don't give over control of this body to 
the other side because we don't know what the Republicans will bring 
up.
  I give my word that what we would bring up is a bill that will 
provide immediate relief under the Paycheck Protection Program of $138 
billion to our small businesses, our families, and individuals who are 
suffering in America today.
  We need to start trusting each other again. We don't trust each other 
in this institution and that is what is causing the American people to 
suffer.
  I ask my colleagues: When you vote ``yes'' on this previous question, 
be on notice. You are turning your back on the American people that 
need the Paycheck Protection Program assistance today. And when you 
make that vote, you do it with your eyes wide open. You do it on notice 
that you will be turning your back on those individuals who cry out for 
help as we speak here on this floor today.
  What we are talking about here is that we need to do our job as 
Congress. Now, I have done everything in my power personally over the 
last 3 months to work with our Senate colleagues, to work with the 
White House, to work in a bipartisan fashion to do a bigger package 
than the Paycheck Protection Program. But I will take what I can get.
  There should be bipartisan support for this Paycheck Protection 
Program relief that we are talking about here today.
  I urge my colleagues to defeat the previous question, vote ``no,'' 
and join us and trust us in standing with the American people.

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  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I have great respect for the gentleman from New York, 
and I appreciate his efforts at trying to find common ground and trying 
to make this place work better. But I do take exception to a statement 
he made, that if you vote against this, then you are turning your backs 
on small businesses.
  Well, I can make that same argument to all of my Republican friends 
who voted against the HEROES Act. Not only did they turn their backs on 
small businesses, they turned their backs on schools and on people who 
right now are going hungry in this country. I can go right down the 
list of all the things. They are turning their backs on cities and 
towns that are not just blue cities and towns.
  Mr. Speaker, this notion that we have to define everything in terms 
of red and blue, in terms of whether they get assistance, I find very 
disconcerting. I never question a vote in favor of disaster relief if a 
red State was hit by a hurricane or an earthquake or a fire. You try to 
do the right thing.
  So spare us the indignation, because the deal is, we passed something 
here 4 months ago, and there has been no action. We all know that we 
weren't going to get everything. The Speaker brought it down by $1 
trillion, hoping that that would spur a negotiation, and there is 
nothing yet. By the way, the Senate can't even get its act together 
amongst its own Republicans, never mind with Democrats.
  So we need to do something. Hopefully, before we leave here, the 
Senate majority leader will pick up the phone and work with the Speaker 
and with the White House, and we can get something here.
  Quite frankly, all of us, if it is not done, are willing to come back 
here on a moment's notice. We have all been told by our majority leader 
to be prepared to come back here in a nanosecond if we can get a deal.
  But to leave schools behind, to leave hungry people behind, and to 
leave countless others who have been impacted by this virus behind, 
this is a big deal. It is a big deal. We need to help our small 
businesses, and we have to help others as well.
  Let's hope rationality will prevail, common sense will prevail, and 
we can come together similar to the way we did on the continuing 
resolution yesterday.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mrs. LESKO. Boy, I have read some media reports where actually there 
were members of the Democratic Party in the U.S. House of 
Representatives in swing districts who pleaded with Speaker Pelosi to 
have a relief package, and she is the one who said: Oh, no.
  So I have to respectfully disagree with the gentleman's analogy.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. 
Chabot).
  Mr. CHABOT. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, it has now been over 46 days since the Paycheck 
Protection Program, also known as PPP, was shut down. This means that 
small businesses have been prevented from applying for CARES Act 
funding through the PPP for over a month and a half now. This also 
means that real people's jobs continue to be in jeopardy through no 
fault of their own.
  This is just unacceptable, Mr. Speaker. This is unacceptable because 
small businesses play an outsized role in our economy. They employ half 
of all workers in this country. Think about that. Nearly one out of 
every two workers in this country are employed by small businesses. Not 
only do small businesses employ millions of people, but they are also 
this Nation's job creators. They create approximately two out of every 
three new jobs in this country.
  Beyond statistics, they are the heartbeat of Main Streets all across 
America. They are the corner store, the neighborhood coffee shop, and 
the restaurant in the town or village. They are the fabric of commerce 
in my home State of Ohio, as they are in Florida, in Texas, in 
California, and all across this country. Their workers clock in early 
and often retire after the sun sets. Simply put, they are America's 
businesses.
  Unfortunately, COVID-19 continues to challenge their very existence. 
Now is the time to act. We really should have acted 46 days ago. We 
have an option before us today, this very day. If we defeat today's 
previous question, then we can move directly to my legislation to 
reopen the Paycheck Protection Program to all those small businesses 
all over the country that are clamoring to get them and that really 
need them.
  H.R. 8265 would provide targeted assistance to small businesses that 
truly need the Federal Government's help. The legislation gives small 
businesses the opportunity to receive a second PPP if they can 
demonstrate a significant revenue reduction of 25 percent. 
Additionally, it adds more flexibility in how PPP dollars can be spent 
and still be eligible to have those loans forgiven.
  Many of our Nation's small businesses are still struggling 
significantly. We need to work quickly to provide a path forward for as 
many of them as possible. Just as small businesses meet and exceed the 
expectation of their customers, let's meet the needs of small 
businesses across the country. Let's defeat the previous question and 
restart the PPP, the Paycheck Protection Program.
  Our economy is depending upon America's small businesses, and 
America's small businesses are depending upon us here today. This vote 
really does matter. Usually, these things are procedural, but this is 
an opportunity not just to help those small businesses but, most 
importantly, those people who work for them and the families they 
support.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, let me remind all of my colleagues this is a procedural 
vote, and this is a very common practice of my Republican colleagues on 
a regular basis to urge a defeat of the previous question so they can 
bring up whatever they want to bring up.

  The gentleman just said that we need to move quickly. My question is: 
Where have you been? Where have you been?
  Four months ago--4 months ago--we passed a bill that would provide 
relief to our small businesses and to our cash-strapped communities, 
many of them forced to lay off first responders.
  Where have you been? Have you picked up the phone and called Mitch 
McConnell? Have you lobbied any of your Republican colleagues on the 
Senate side? Nothing.
  We are about to recess. I think everybody knows that people back home 
are not happy with the obstructionism and the Senate doing nothing. So 
let's toss out a procedural vote, and we can use that as cover. Talk 
about being cynical.

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  We had an opportunity. We still have an opportunity to come together 
and do something that will help all Americans. Instead, this is the 
best we can do, no promises to talk to the Senate, no nothing.
  It is just frustrating because people are hurting, and it is not 
enough at the last minute to come up with a procedural vote that 
doesn't mean anything and all along having been opposed to the HEROES 
Act.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, I can guarantee that if we were in the 
majority, we would be able to do a relief package that didn't include 
liberal wish lists that could actually pass the Senate and get signed 
into law.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. 
Kevin Hern).
  Mr. KEVIN HERN of Oklahoma. Mr. Speaker, I urge defeat of the 
previous question so that we can immediately move to debate and pass 
H.R. 8265 and stop playing politics with American businesses and jobs.
  We all can name at least one favorite establishment that is now an 
economic casualty of coronavirus. Many small businesses are hurting, 
and they need our help.
  We came together in an incredible bipartisan way this spring to 
create the Paycheck Protection Program, but the fallout of these 
shutdowns is lasting longer than any of us dared believe, and our 
communities are now in need of swift action.
  That is exactly why we need a vote on H.R. 8265, which Democratic 
leadership is currently preventing. There are over $135 billion still 
sitting in the funds that are authorized and appropriated. This bill 
gives small businesses with 25 percent revenue losses and under 300 
employees the opportunity for a second cut at the PPP loan. It sets 
aside $25 billion specifically for mom-and-pop businesses with less 
than 10 employees, and it simplifies the forgiveness process for loans 
under $150,000.
  Do it today. Do it today. We have plenty of time. To make it simple: 
Passing this bill saves jobs, but doing nothing sends those same people 
to the unemployment lines. The bills we are voting on today will never 
become law. Messaging bills can wait; extending this program cannot.
  I know that many of my colleagues across the aisle are frustrated 
with the lack of action on this issue. They like this bill and know it 
would help our communities. I know this because many have told me 
personally. If half of the Democrats who have privately told me they 
supported this legislation would vote for it, it would pass 
overwhelmingly and would be law quickly. So I call on them today to 
stand up and do what is right. Their communities need them in this 
moment. America needs us all in this moment.
  Mr. Speaker, I ask the Democrat leaders to stop playing politics with 
American businesses and jobs. I urge defeat of the previous question 
and immediate consideration of H.R. 8265.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, it is unclear to me what this President would or would 
not sign. I am looking at a headline from CBS News: ``Trump said 
coronavirus `affects virtually nobody,' as U.S. surpasses 200,000 
deaths.''
  Talk about clueless here. We passed the HEROES Act to help our 
schools and our healthcare workers. I would like to think that there is 
no objection to helping our schools and our healthcare workers. We want 
to help our first responders. They are the heroes here.
  Why is that such a controversial thing to do?
  We wanted to pass the HEROES Act to provide more testing and tracing 
so we can contain this virus. We are doing that while the President of 
the United States is hosting superspreader events where people without 
masks are all bunched together.
  We passed the HEROES Act to support families who are struggling to 
pay their rent, and we passed the HEROES Act to help small businesses.
  It is time for my Republican friends to pick up the phone, call 
Senator McConnell, and ask him to sit down and negotiate a deal that 
helps the entirety of this country. I don't see why that is so 
controversial, yet they won't do it. They won't do it. This is cynical 
politics, pure and simple.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, again, if the so-called HEROES Act would not 
have been chock-full of a bunch of liberal wish lists but only 
concentrated on things that Republicans and Democrats could have 
actually agreed to and would have passed the Senate and then signed 
into law, we would have had relief to the American people by now. But I 
would assume that Chairman McGovern knows that there were certain 
things in that bill that they knew in advance that the Republicans 
weren't going to go for, like releasing prisoners into the communities.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Washington 
(Ms. Herrera Beutler).
  Ms. HERRERA BEUTLER. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to urge Republicans 
and Democrats to join us on this vote to extend the vital jobs-saving 
program, the Paycheck Protection Program, which will provide relief to 
small businesses that desperately need it during this public health 
crisis. It is not just the small businesses that will benefit. It is 
actually for the workers who work in those businesses to keep their 
jobs.
  With talk that the House Democrat leadership is looking to finish our 
legislative business and send us home early, we should be doing 
everything that we can in our power to provide that relief to small 
businesses that desperately need it.
  In my district in southwest Washington, almost 9,500 small businesses 
have accessed critical paycheck protection loans. Surgical Training 
Institute in Camas was able to keep its 22 employees employed. The 
little Neptune Theatre in Pacific County also took advantage of this 
program. Altogether, they have saved 92,000 jobs.
  That is 92,000 people--individuals, moms, dads, brothers, and 
sisters--who are able to continue providing for their families by 
putting food on the table and keeping a roof over their kids' heads.
  This should not be a political football. Across the Nation, the PPP 
has helped save millions of jobs, and small businesses have been able 
to keep their doors open and pay their employees.
  This is not a partisan issue. Let's stop talking about what was done 
in the past. Let's look forward and fix the problem. Join with us now 
and support extending this program.
  To me, it is a shame that small business relief and relief for 
workers is a partisan issue. It should not be treated like a political 
football here in Congress. This is not a hostage we should hold on to 
to get anybody's wish list passed. We should pass this.
  The fact of the matter is that the PPP expired on August 8, and we 
have been in session many days between now and then. With nearly $135 
billion still in the program, Congress must act now to free up these 
funds and get relief to those who need it most.
  Thousands of businesses across the country are on the brink of 
collapse and mass layoffs, and they are crying out for help. If we do 
not act now to extend the PPP, they could all go under. We are talking 
about our neighborhood mom-and-pop shops that are the backbone of our 
communities. We don't have any more time to waste.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge defeat of the previous question so the House can 
advance bipartisan relief to small businesses.

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  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I understand why the gentlewoman doesn't 
want to talk about the past, because 4 months ago, she--as well as most 
Republicans--voted ``no'' on the HEROES Act. They voted to deny help to 
small businesses. They voted to deny help to our schools, to our 
healthcare workers, to our first responders.
  Mr. Speaker, I get it. She and others are going to have to explain to 
their constituents why they did that, why they voted against the 
interests of their own constituents. So I get it.
  But the bottom line is this: If my Republican friends want to help, 
pick up the phone and call their friend, Mitch McConnell, and ask him 
to get serious about negotiating a compromise here so we can help small 
businesses and also help our schools and our first responders and our 
healthcare workers.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.

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  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, in closing, at a time when many Americans are struggling 
with the economic fallout from the ongoing pandemic, it is unfortunate 
that the Democratic majority is not coming up with solutions that can 
actually be signed into law. We need to negotiate with the Republicans 
in the Senate and the President and the Democrats together. That is 
what America wants.
  Instead, in this rule, we are focusing on a Green New Deal-type of 
energy package--one that didn't work so well in California, as can be 
attested to by their rolling blackouts and other energy crises.
  Mr. Speaker, I would call on us to defeat the previous question so 
that we can add the amendment to, at least, help the small businesses 
and their workers. This is something we can do together.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge a ``no'' on the previous question, ``no'' on the 
underlying measure, and I yield back the balance of my time.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, my friend just mentioned ``the least'' we can do. Well, 
this is not the time to do the least of anything. We are faced with a 
pandemic, haven't seen the likes of this since 1918. This is a big 
deal. It impacts every part of our economy. And they are talking about 
``the least.''
  Well, you know what? We have to help our small businesses; we have to 
help our schools. We have to protect our first responders and our 
healthcare workers. This impacts everybody. And the notion that they 
can't muster the political will to pick up the phone and ask the Senate 
to negotiate with us is really, really sad, and it is a disservice to 
the people of this country.
  Mr. Speaker, I get it. Like everything in the HEROES Act--well, that 
is what a negotiation is for, you go back and forth, and you trade 
things off. I would argue everything in the HEROES Act is necessary and 
important.
  Mr. Speaker, I would urge my colleagues to support the rule. It 
includes an important energy bill that will help us deal with the 
climate crisis, which is real--no matter what the President says, we 
have a climate crisis--and some human rights legislation as well, to 
stand up for the human rights of the Uyghurs, and make sure that no 
U.S. or international businesses are utilizing forced labor by the 
Chinese Government against the Uyghurs.
  Mr. Speaker, again, we have a job to do here, and that is to provide 
relief during this pandemic. And it really is frustrating that my 
Republican friends have done nothing--done nothing--to help get us to a 
solution.
  Mr. Speaker, I would urge all my colleagues to join with us in 
support of the rule and the underlying measure. Please vote ``yes'' on 
the previous question.
  The material previously referred to by Mrs. Lesko is as follows:

                   Amendment to House Resolution 1129

       At the end of the resolution, add the following:
       Sec. 7. Immediately upon adoption of this resolution, the 
     House shall proceed to the consideration in the House of the 
     bill (H.R. 8265) to amend the Small Business Act and the 
     CARES Act to establish a program for second draw loans and 
     make other modifications to the paycheck protection program, 
     and for other purposes. All points of order against 
     consideration of the bill are waived. The bill shall be 
     considered as read. All points of order against provisions in 
     the bill are waived. The previous question shall be 
     considered as ordered on the bill and on any amendment 
     thereto to final passage without intervening motion except: 
     (1) one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the 
     chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on Small 
     Business; and (2) one motion to recommit.
       Sec. 8. Clause l(c) of rule XIX shall not apply to the 
     consideration of H.R. 8265.
  Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I 
move the previous question on the resolution.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on ordering the previous 
question.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.
  Mrs. LESKO. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to section 3 of House Resolution 
965, the yeas and nays are ordered.
  Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX, further proceedings on this question 
are postponed.

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