[Congressional Record Volume 164, Number 120 (Tuesday, July 17, 2018)]
[Senate]
[Pages S4994-S4998]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
Nomination of Brett Kavanaugh
Mr. President, having said that as a predicate, I want to turn to the
nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to serve on the Supreme Court. Brett
Kavanaugh used to clerk for a Federal judge named Walter Stapleton.
Most people who are outside of the Delaware Valley--and maybe Maryland,
Pennsylvania, New Jersey--haven't heard of Walter Stapleton. But if you
have been involved in legal issues or judicial issues there, you may
recall that he was nominated to serve as a district court judge, a
Federal district judge, in Delaware and served there for a number of
years with distinction.
He went on to serve on the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in our
region--again, serving with distinction. I think he assumed senior
status in that court in 1999, after many years of service on the
Federal bench.
In the second half of the last century, he was seen as a giant in the
judicial system--the Federal judicial system--certainly in our part of
the world, but I think beyond our borders.
When George W. Bush, my former colleague as Governor, as President,
nominated Brett Kavanaugh to serve on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals,
among the people I consulted with was former Judge Walter Stapleton and
others who had clerked for him and worked with him. They knew Brett
Kavanaugh and were very complimentary, as our colleague Rob Portman has
been today, talking about the human side of him and the qualities I
think we would admire in almost anybody.
When I was a kid growing up, there used to be a guy on the radio--ABC
radio--many years ago. His name was Paul Harvey. I don't know if our
Presiding Officer is old enough to remember Paul Harvey. He would give
the news, and he would do things like give the top of the news, and he
would say ``Page 2''--and sort of like turn the page and report the
rest of the news.
I am going to go to page 2 here today with respect to Brett
Kavanaugh. I voted for him. There are about a dozen Democrats in 2006
who voted for cloture; four of us--Robert Byrd, Mary Landrieu, I think,
Ben Nelson, and I--voted for confirmation. We voted our hopes rather
than our views. We voted, in part, because of what we had learned from
others who knew him, who had worked with him, and who admired him. I
have said flatout that if I had known then what I know now about the
kinds of decisions he would write and support over the following 12
years, I would not have voted for him in 2006. I think it is highly
unlikely I would vote for him today.
I think it is time to hit the pause button on such consequential
nominees, like Mr. Kavanaugh, whose writings have repeatedly made clear
that he believes the President is above the law. This is a man, Mr.
Kavanaugh, who worked with Kenneth Starr to go after Bill Clinton as
President, hammer and tong, for alleged misdeeds and misconduct that he
apparently had done.
Now, some 20 years later, that same Brett Kavanaugh seems to have--
rather than feeling that Presidents definitely are not above the law,
that Presidents have to be held accountable like anybody else, he seems
to have done a 180. Instead, he basically seems to feel that Presidents
are almost above the law and cannot be held accountable.
I don't get it; I don't know how someone can change on something--it
wasn't just during the Starr years. To have gone from that position of
being such a fervent attack dog in going after Bill Clinton to
basically saying that the Presidents can pretty much do, without
oversight, what they see fit--that is one of the issues I want to
discuss with Judge Kavanaugh, when I meet with him, hopefully later
this month.
For that reason alone--Judge Kavanaugh's views of the President, with
the President being above the law, especially at this point in time in
our Nation's history--I think that one issue, that one reason, should
be enough to say let's hit the pause button. Let's hit the pause button
on this nomination. There are a number of other reasons why Judge
Kavanaugh is, in my view, the wrong pick for the Nation's highest
Court. I want to stress just a few of those today.
In May 2006, as a nominee to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, Brett
Kavanaugh made a pledge under oath. Brett Kavanaugh pledged to Members
of this body that if confirmed, he would ``interpret the law as written
and not impose personal policy preferences.'' Those are his words, not
my words. Mr. Kavanaugh went on to pledge that he would ``exercise
judicial power prudently and with restraint.'' Brett Kavanaugh pledged
that he would ``follow precedent in all cases fully and fairly.'' Those
are not my words; they are his words. Brett Kavanaugh pledged that he
would, above all, ``maintain the absolute independence of the
judiciary,'' which is, in his words, ``the crown jewel of our
constitutional democracy.''
I took Brett Kavanaugh at his word in 2006. I trusted him when he
made those pledgees. I afforded Mr. Kavanaugh, as a young lawyer, the
opportunity to fulfill his promise to faithfully uphold and interpret
our laws as written. I expected him not to inject his personal policy
preferences or the ideology of special interests and groups like the
Heritage Foundation into his decision making on the bench.
I know now, a little more than 12 years after he made those pledges,
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my trust in Brett Kavanaugh was misplaced. As a judge on the DC Circuit
Court of Appeals, Brett Kavanaugh has broken his pledges repeatedly.
There is an old saying in my State: Fool me once, shame on you; fool
me twice, shame on me. Judge Kavanaugh, shame on you, but you won't
fool me twice.
Brett Kavanaugh's broken pledges impact the lives of just about every
American. They may well affect millions of Americans with preexisting
conditions in years to come, who risk losing access to affordable
healthcare, as well as a woman's freedom to make her own healthcare
decisions. They affect hard-won workers' rights, consumer protections,
and civil rights enacted into law over decades for the protection of
future generations. They affect the independence of our judiciary and
the system of three separate, coequal branches of government
established by our Founding Fathers, a system designed to ensure that
no citizen, not even the President of the United States, is above the
law.
Judge Kavanaugh's broken pledges affect the water we drink, the air
we breathe, and the world we will leave to our children and our
children's children. Today, we seek to shine light on Brett Kavanaugh's
environmental record--one which, sadly, all too often puts the
interests of polluters ahead of those of the public.
One such example is when Mr. Kavanaugh rejected EPA's good neighbor
rule, which regulates air pollution that travels across State lines to
downwind States, such as Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York,
Connecticut, and others. In the case of EME Homer City v. EPA, he sided
with polluters and ignored petitions from Delaware and eight other
States, as well as the District of Columbia, when he said EPA lacked
the authority to require upwind States to be better neighbors. Judge
Kavanaugh's views were deemed too extreme even for some of the Supreme
Court's conservative Justices, who reversed his decision, saying that
he had followed his own policy views rather than the law written by
Congress.
Just yesterday, I was with First State officials and concerned
citizens in the State of Delaware, all speaking out against the current
EPA's misguided decision to reject Delaware's ability and that of our
neighboring States to address dangerous pollutants blowing into our
State from dirty powerplants to the west of us. Delaware families--
especially children and those with asthma--still suffer from harmful
pollution that lands in our communities through no fault of our own.
That is just not right.
When I was Governor of Delaware for 8 years, from 1993 to 2001, I
could have shut down my State's economy, taken every vehicle off the
road, and shut down every business. We would have still been out of
compliance for clean air with respect to ozone because of the air
coming into our State from States to the west, our upwind States. Think
about that.
There is a reason why we have a golden rule. There is a reason why we
talk about the Good Samaritan. There is a reason why we have the
saying: We ought to treat other people the way we want to be treated.
We want to be treated like a good neighbor. If the shoe were on the
other foot, we wouldn't send our pollution to those States. EPA should
stand up for our States and say enough is enough, but apparently Judge
Kavanaugh disagrees.
Brett Kavanaugh also dissented from an opinion on toxic air pollution
written by Chief Judge Merrick Garland. In White Stallion Energy v.
EPA, Mr. Kavanaugh said that EPA had to consider the costs to industry
when determining whether powerplants should have to reduce toxic air
pollution that causes cancer and lowers the IQ of children. Justice
Scalia quoted Brett Kavanaugh directly when the Supreme Court later
adopted Mr. Kavanaugh's position in another 5-to-4 decision, even
though the Clean Air Act doesn't say a thing about having to consider
costs.
In Coalition for Responsible Regulation v. EPA, Mr. Kavanaugh
rejected the longstanding interpretation that Congress gave EPA the
authority to control any air pollutant, including greenhouse gases that
contribute to climate change. Mr. Kavanaugh argued that taking the
Clean Air Act at its word and interpreting ``any air pollutant'' to
include greenhouse gases would lead to what he considered--again, as
his own personal position and not as a matter of law--absurd results.
Mr. Kavanaugh not only has proven to be untrustworthy in this regard,
but he has already called into question EPA's authority to regulate
greenhouse gases and combat climate change.
These cases and the ideas advanced by Judge Kavanaugh in his opinions
have striking similarities to those advanced by recently departed Trump
administration official Scott Pruitt, and that should worry every
Member of this body. Scott Pruitt may be out as Administrator at the
EPA, but if Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed to serve on the Supreme Court,
Mr. Pruitt's dangerous anti-environment agenda will continue to wreak
havoc, this time with the weight of our Nation's highest Court behind
it for a long time. Put simply, Brett Kavanaugh will attempt to finish,
in many respects, what Scott Pruitt started.
I take seriously the Senate's constitutional role of providing advice
and consent on a President's nominee to the Supreme Court. As Governor
of Delaware, I nominated scores of men and women to serve on our
courts--supreme court, court of chancery, superior court--major courts
not just for Delaware, actually, but for the country. I always felt
that the Delaware Legislature should carefully consider my nominees,
give them a hearing, meet with them, and in the end, vote them up or
down.
I felt we should have done that with Merrick Garland. We should have
done that with Merrick Garland almost 2 years ago. We treated him
shamefully--we didn't, but some in this body did. As such, I will
afford Brett Kavanaugh the opportunity my Republican colleagues--at
least most of them--refused Merrick Garland, chief judge of the DC
Circuit Court of Appeals, highly regarded by Democrats and Republicans
alike, when they abdicated their constitutional responsibilities in
2016. Now they want to rush through, literally in only a couple of
months, the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh.
As I said earlier, I look forward to interviewing Brett Kavanaugh in
the coming weeks and providing him the opportunity to explain why he
broke his pledges time and again. How could a person who seems that
nice and that decent make so many wrongheaded and I think wronghearted
decisions and support those decisions from the bench time and again?
We are in a battle on many fronts in this country. One of those
battlefronts is with respect to our environment--the air we breathe,
the water we drink, and the health of our people, young and old. We are
fighting dangerous environmental rollbacks put forth by this
administration--maybe not every day but just about every week. What we
don't need in this country, where we have lived by and been sustained
by an incredible system of checks and balances for years, for decades,
for centuries, we don't need a Supreme Court that will similarly side
with polluters over public health.
I yield back my time.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
The assistant bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. WHITEHOUSE. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order
for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. WHITEHOUSE. Mr. President, to follow up on the remarks of our
distinguished Democratic ranking member on the Environment and Public
Works Committee, Senator Carper, who spoke about the environmental
prospects of Trump's nominee, Brett Kavanaugh, should he reach the
Supreme Court, I come at this from a very particular angle. Let me
start by kind of laying the predicate, if you will, for my comments.
A long, long time ago, when the Founding Fathers were setting up our
country, they brought over from England the tradition of an independent
judiciary and of the common jury. It was extremely important to the
founding generation. The Declaration of Independence made reference to
efforts to interfere with the right to trial by jury.
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The efforts by British agents of influence to interfere with American
juries was a constant thorn. The feeling was that the independence of
courts and, particularly, the independence of jurors was a very
significant check and balance in the constitutional system that the
Founders were setting up.
These were experienced politicians. These were thoughtful people who
had read and debated a lot about governance. They understood that there
were times when very powerful interests were able to dominate a
legislative body, there were times when very powerful interests were
able to dominate a Governor or other chief executive and, indeed, there
were times when that same very powerful interest could not only
dominate the legislative branch but also the executive branch at the
same time. Therefore, you needed to have a third branch of government--
an independent branch of government--to which you could go to be sure
that you were being treated with justice. They designed it all fairly
carefully.
The jury has a lot of advantages to it. You don't get repeat jurors.
Every jury veneer, every jury pool, is a new group. The reason for that
is to make it hard for big interests to be able to go to people who
might be jurors and try to fix the jurors in their favor in the same
way they go to legislatures and try to fix legislators in their favor.
You do not know who your jury is going to be until it is called up. So
you can't apply influence to a jury. If you try, it is actually a
crime. It is called tampering with a jury.
We very carefully set up independent judges and pools of regular
citizens who were to come in, virtually at random, to do one jury
service and then to go back to their lives, and we did it for a reason.
Blackstone described that reason as to provide a safeguard for regular
citizens against other more wealthy and powerful citizens, more wealthy
and powerful interests.
It is an interesting piece of our constitutional analysis because, in
most places, what has been set up is a structure that has been designed
to protect the common citizen against the excesses of government. The
checks and balances have been generally set up to protect the ordinary
man and woman against excessive use of government power against them.
With the juries, Blackstone said, it is a little bit different. It is
not just abuse of power by government; it is abuse of power by the more
wealthy and powerful interests, because the Founders knew that it would
be the more powerful and wealthy interests who would come in and try to
fix the legislature, who would try to fix the Governor or, at the
Federal level, the President, and that, therefore, the jury would stand
as the guardian and the bulwark of regular Americans against influence
from the more powerful and wealthy interests.
Look around at who the more powerful and wealthy interests are in our
country right now. Collectively, the biggest is probably the fossil
fuel industry. If you add up the whole Koch brothers' Koch Industries'
apparatus, if you add up ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell, and the whole
American Petroleum Institute population, if you look at the extent to
which they have seized control of the National Association of
Manufacturers and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and if you put that
whole array together, it is very likely not only the most powerful
political influence effort now, but it may very well be the most
powerful political effort in American history. Those wealthy and
powerful interests are hard at work at making sure that their interests
come first and that the interests of ordinary Americans come at a very
distant second.
The way in which Mr. Kavanaugh comes to this nomination smells of all
of that influence already. For starters, he was selected through a very
private process--from all of the information we have about it--that is
moderated by a group called the Federalist Society but which checks in
with all of the big Republican funding special interests to make sure
that they are all OK with the nominee. There is a preclearance by
special interests that takes place for these judicial nominees.
Obviously, the most powerful and wealthy special interest--the biggest
political force, perhaps ever--is going to be a part of that checklist.
There can be no doubt that if the fossil fuel industry were not
checked off on Brett Kavanaugh, he would not be the nominee. There is
no doubt in my mind that they and other special interests--the gun
lobby, the anti-choice crowd, the Wall Street folks--all had the chance
to say: No, not that guy. Find me somebody who will be good to us.
So Kavanaugh has already cleared that process. Now you see the
confirmation process underway, and you see big special interests' dark
money already out, campaigning for him.
The last time we had one of these contests, it was this: Is it going
to be Merrick Garland? No, we are going to stop him dead and not even
give him a hearing. We are going to bring on this character, Gorsuch,
and he is going to come in.
Somebody spent nearly $18 million in political ads to support that
switch. Somebody felt it was worth $18 million to have Gorsuch and not
Garland on the Supreme Court. We don't know who that person was because
of the dark money protections that are such a scourge in our democracy
right now. That individual donor's hand is hidden behind all of this
dark money machinery, but we do know that there is a person--an
entity--who spent $18 million to have it be Gorsuch, not Garland.
So that is the track record for this.
Here comes Kavanaugh, and the same machinery is now up for him. He
was precleared by the special interests, and big dark money interests
are already spending money for him. Who in his right mind would believe
that this guy is not predisposed in the direction of those big special
interests? It is almost impossible to imagine under these political
circumstances.
When you look at his record on the DC Circuit, this is a guy who has
been on the warpath against environmental protection. This is a guy who
is Scott Pruitt in robes. This guy is really something.
Now, he was not on the original Trump list, as I understand it. So
maybe he has been spending his time auditioning on the DC Circuit for
this incredibly dominant special interest--the fossil fuel industry--
and exhibiting his ability and his willingness to make anti-environment
decisions, to make pro-corporate decisions, and to make pro-polluter
decisions so that he can inch his way, maybe, onto the Trump list for
the Supreme Court.
Sure enough, not only is he on the list, but he is now the nominee.
His record is absolutely abysmal. You would have to call him an
environmental extremist. It is truly, truly exceptional to think of all
of the different cases in which he has been involved. My colleague from
Hawaii is here. So I am not going to go through them all, but as this
goes forward, I will have plenty of time to explore these issues with
him.
It is going to be very, very important to the big polluters to have
Kavanaugh instead of Kennedy because, when you look at the record in
the Supreme Court, there has been a considerable array of decisions on
environmental matters in which Justice Kennedy has been the swing vote.
So extract Justice Kennedy with his retirement and put in Kavanaugh
with his record from the DC Circuit, his preclearance by the polluting
interests, and the fact that big-money folks are already out there
pushing for him. They are going to want something.
I suspect what they are going to want is a reversal of Justice
Kennedy's position in favor of the environment and all of the issues on
which he was the 5-to-4 tiebreaker in favor of the environment. Now all
of those cases will go back the other way, and polluters will rule.
Polluters already rule here. We are incapable of doing anything
serious about climate change. Polluters completely dominate over in the
House. They have written this ridiculous letter and have told the House
that it shouldn't even do a carbon price. They have put all of their
polluter front-group names on this letterhead. Of course, Trump still
thinks that climate change is a hoax.
You have a situation that the Founding Fathers were concerned about.
You have an enormous special interest with extraordinary power that
dominates the Senate and the House and that has completely gotten this
administration by the choke chain. Now what it wants to do is to extend
its power to the one
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part of the government the Founding Fathers set up to be able to tell
the special interest no, to require it to follow the truth, to require
it to look at real evidence, to subject witnesses to cross-examination,
to provide discovery so that you know what is really going on, and for
there to be penalties if you try to tamper and for there to be
penalties if you lie.
This is not the environment that the big polluters like. So they want
to control it. I see the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh as an effort,
basically, at agency capture at the Supreme Court level. We have to be
very careful about this.
I yield to my distinguished colleague from Hawaii.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Rubio). The Senator from Hawaii.
Ms. HIRONO. Mr. President, I thank my colleague, the Senator from
Rhode Island.
In Hawaii, we understand the importance of caring for our planet. The
Native Hawaiian community embraced the idea of ``malama `aina,'' a
respect for and responsibility to care for the land in a way that
protects our environment for future generations. That is why Hawaii has
led the way in enacting measures to fight climate change and safeguard
our natural resources. In the last few years alone, Hawaii has set
ambitious goals to move to 100-percent renewable energy and become
carbon neutral.
We were the first State in the country to commit to meeting the
objectives of the Paris climate agreement. In contrast, the Trump
administration has spent the last year and a half disparaging the idea
of protecting our land and natural resources. Donald Trump has taken
action after action to prioritize the interests of his supporters in
the fossil fuel industry at the expense of our environment.
The President filled his administration with appointees who refuse to
accept the realities of climate change. He named two Environmental
Protection Agency Administrators--Scott Pruitt and Andrew Wheeler--who
don't even believe in the EPA's mission of protecting the air we
breathe and the water we drink.
Administration officials have weakened rules that regulate pollution
and protections for our natural resources. These actions have led to
lawsuits by groups who embrace ``malama `aina'' and seek to protect our
environment. These lawsuits will be decided by our courts. The outcomes
will depend on an independent, fair, and unbiased judiciary.
A number of these cases will come before the Supreme Court. In the
October term, the Court will be hearing a case called Weyerhaeuser
Company v. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to decide whether the Federal
Government can protect endangered species on private land. Cases making
their way through the lower courts include California v. EPA, which
challenges the Federal Government's regulations on vehicle emissions,
and West Virginia v. EPA, which challenges President Obama's Clean
Power Plan. These cases raise crucial questions that will determine
whether the government has the power to protect our environment. The
answers to those questions may very well come from the Supreme Court.
The President's nominee to the Supreme Court, Brett Kavanaugh, raises
serious concerns about whether he would be that fair arbiter on
environmental issues, the kinds of cases that will surely come before
the Supreme Court. Throughout his time on the circuit court of appeals,
Judge Kavanaugh has argued for weakening environmental regulations.
Basically, his decisions benefit industry over the environment.
In Coalition for Responsible Regulation, Inc. v. EPA, Judge Kavanaugh
argued that the EPA should not regulate greenhouse gases under the
Clean Air Act because the cost to business was more important than
protecting the environment and public health from climate change. He
said that the EPA should not include greenhouse gases in the
interpretation of the statute that says EPA can regulate any air
pollutant because, as far as Judge Kavanaugh was concerned, such a
requirement or enabling the EPA to do that would result in higher costs
for businesses. Judge Kavanaugh did not consider the cost to the
environment.
In Hawaii, we are already paying the price of climate change caused
by greenhouse gases. Our coastlines are disappearing, corals in our
oceans are dying, and catastrophic floods are becoming more frequent
and more severe. The science behind the need to regulate greenhouse
gases is clear. This message is lost on the President and apparently on
Brett Kavanaugh, as he argued for a very limited interpretation of the
EPA's authority to regulate.
In another environmental case, Judge Kavanaugh sided with the fossil
fuel industry in his dissent in White Stallion Energy Center v. EPA in
2014. He argued that under the Clean Air Act, the EPA should not--
should not--regulate toxic air pollutants from powerplants without
factoring in what those regulations would cost polluters. The majority
disagreed with Judge Kavanaugh, saying that the EPA's approach ``is
clearly permissible,'' consistent with prior Supreme Court instruction,
and consistent with the purpose of the legislation, which was, of
course, to protect the environment and the health and safety of people.
When the case went to the Supreme Court, then-Justice Scalia quoted
Judge Kavanaugh in his reversal.
Judge Kavanaugh's opinions even went so far as to attempt to restrict
the manufacture and sale of renewable fuel. In a 2012 case, Grocery
Manufacturers Association v. EPA, Judge Kavanaugh opposed the EPA's
grant of E15 waivers. These waivers would permit the manufacture and
sale of a type of renewable fuel that would help our Nation decrease
its dependence on foreign oil. In his dissent, Judge Kavanaugh argued
that the EPA's rule permitting this renewable fuel would in effect
force the production of renewable fuel. There is nothing in the statute
that talked about forcing anybody to do anything. Actually, the word in
the statute is ``permit.'' Permitting is not the same as forcing. Of
course, Judge Kavanaugh certainly knew the difference before taking a
position that supported the fossil fuel industry.
Judge Kavanaugh's record on these environmental issues makes it
highly likely that as a Supreme Court Justice, he would favor fossil
fuel interests over human health, renewable energy, and protecting our
planet.
Senators have a constitutional responsibility to provide advice and
consent on all judicial nominations, particularly those to the highest
Court in the land, the Supreme Court. This responsibility requires us
to take note of the fact that the Trump administration continues to
fill the courts with deeply conservative, ideologically driven judges
who will hold lifetime positions. The administration and their
conservative allies expect that some of these judges will continue on
to appellate courts and to the Supreme Court.
Mr. President, this week, we will be voting on two nominees for
Federal appellate courts: Andrew Oldham from Texas for the Fifth
Circuit and Ryan Bounds from Oregon for the Ninth Circuit. I will be
voting no on both of these nominations.
Andrew Oldham has been an ideological warrior behind some of Texas
Governor Greg Abbott's most extreme positions against a woman's right
to choose, against LGBTQ people, and against solutions for the 800,000-
plus Dreamers put at risk for deportation by Donald Trump's rescinding
of DACA.
In 2013, as deputy solicitor general of Texas, Mr. Oldham defended a
severe anti-choice Texas law, HB2, that put restrictions on doctors
delivering reproductive healthcare. The restrictive provisions were
upheld by the Fifth Circuit but struck down in a subsequent U.S.
Supreme Court case called Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt.
In 2014, Mr. Oldham served as counsel of record for Texas in its
successful challenge to the Deferred Action for Parental
Accountability, or the DAPA Program. DAPA would have provided
protections for the parents of Dreamers so families would not be
cruelly separated, as we are seeing with such terrible and sad results
today under Donald Trump's zero tolerance policy at the border.
While Mr. Oldham was advising Governor Abbott on legislation, his
boss supported or signed bills to restrict the rights of the LGBTQ
community by regulating bathroom usage in public schools and allowing
faith-based groups to deny adoptive and foster parents who conflict
with their beliefs.
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In his response to the Senate Judiciary Committee's questions about
these extreme positions, Mr. Oldham sought to discount them as merely
advocacy positions on behalf of a client, that being the Governor of
the State of Texas, while Mr. Oldham's career shows otherwise.