[Congressional Record Volume 164, Number 119 (Monday, July 16, 2018)]
[House]
[Pages H6255-H6258]
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                           ISSUES OF THE DAY

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 3, 2017, the Chair recognizes the

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gentleman from Texas (Mr. Gohmert) for 30 minutes.
  Mr. GOHMERT. Mr. Speaker, it is always an honor to be here. It is an 
honor to speak in this historic room where Franklin D. Roosevelt stood 
right there, though back then it was a white marble podium at which he 
stood, and asked for a declaration of war after Pearl Harbor. He went 
on to join forces with a despicable man named Stalin, who killed 
millions upon millions of people, and he didn't hide it very well.

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  For those who knew how destructive Stalin had been, how truly evil he 
was, it was quite a blow for people to see Franklin Roosevelt as 
President of the United States, where we believe in freedom, sit and 
smile and pal around with one of the worst mass murderers in the 
history of the world named Stalin, starving millions upon millions in 
Ukraine.
  I mean, for heaven's sake, in World War II, they didn't relieve 
Poland of oppression from Nazi Germany. They took over the oppression 
of Poland from Nazi Germany.
  There were some, one remarkable General named Patton, who understood 
how dangerous the communist dictator was. But so many have been 
miseducated over the years, the last 40 years. I saw the beginnings of 
it in the 1970s when I was in school, how wonderful socialism was, how 
wonderful communism was. But that was just a very small minority, 
because most Americans understood--they had been properly educated 
growing up--how great our freedom is, how unusual it is, and that it 
doesn't last forever, that it takes constant defense.
  Again, the comment by Benjamin Franklin, when asked: What you have 
given us? He said: ``A republic, madam, if you can keep it,'' because 
it doesn't endure forever.
  As I have met with people around the world, from Togo, Nigeria, all 
across the Middle East and Asia, even the little Maldives islands, 
remote islands in the Philippines, all the way across to America, 
around the world, it is amazing how many people see America as their 
only hope for having peace in this life.
  Franklin Roosevelt felt like the threat of Nazi Germany justified his 
actions in joining forces with an evil, terrorist dictator, a mass 
murderer like Stalin. But he also joined forces with Winston Churchill, 
who also could see the rising threat of communism through Russia. But 
now, not so many see the threat anymore.
  Yes, the President is over there in Helsinki today, talking to 
Vladimir Putin. In my conversation with him about over a year and a 
half ago, he certainly understood the threat that Russia is to us.
  But so is misinformation about what is real, what is true. And I was 
listening to some of my colleagues before me. I have been listening to 
people on the news talking about Judge Kavanaugh. Frankly, he was not 
my first choice out of those who the President could have chosen.
  To say slavery would be coming back if he goes on the Supreme Court, 
I heard that. Actually, if he were to go to the Supreme Court, it 
appears pretty clear he would try to help the Court be slaves to the 
Constitution instead of their own shadows of penumbras that things need 
to be in the Constitution. Until it is amended, we have to go by what 
is there.
  I have heard ongoing, constant claims that voters and votes will be 
denied, and I would have to agree that they will for all of those who 
attempt to vote illegally. That is what voter ID is about. My 
understanding was, after voter ID went into place, Alabama, Georgia, 
where I understood that statistics were kept, well, the numbers of 
voters went up dramatically for minorities. It didn't hurt minority 
voting. But what it certainly did do is ensure better integrity in the 
outcome of votes.
  I recall hearing one night David Brinkley talking, I believe, to Tom 
Brokaw, and he was encouraged to tell about a story he heard Lyndon 
Johnson tell. He said, you know, back then, before Watergate, reporters 
were close, big buddies with the President, and he would come down 
sometimes and sit in the press room, plop his boots up on a desk, 
scratching his belly, and having a beer, and told a story, in essence, 
of when he ran for Congress.
  He was out in the cemetery with his campaign manager before the 
election, late at night. They were writing down the names on the 
tombstones of people who would be voting in his election. They came to 
one that was just such a mess, moss and all kinds of crud on the 
tombstone. The campaign manager said, come on, Lyndon, let's just move 
to the next one. He grabbed his campaign manager and said, no, sir. 
This man has every bit as much a right to vote as anybody else in this 
cemetery.
  Well, everybody laughed. Except if you read about what happened in 
Duval County during his election, you would begin to think that perhaps 
was a firsthand, true story.
  Whether humorous or not, there are so many examples of fraudulent 
voting. I know people keep saying, oh, gee, there is no such thing. But 
that is garbage. There is plenty of fraud in votes in America.
  Of course, as long as you can prevent people from having IDs like you 
have to have to get into the Department of Justice when Eric Holder was 
the Attorney General, when Loretta Lynch was Attorney General--
currently, you couldn't get into the Democratic National Convention 
without a proper government ID.
  Anyway, photo IDs are pretty routine. You have to have them to get 
cigarettes, alcohol. You have to have them to do much of anything, to 
cash a check.
  Because of rulings by the Supreme Court, you have to make an 
accommodation for those who couldn't afford to pay for a photo ID. Then 
they can get them for free. So it just seems like a lot of scare 
tactics being used.
  Donald Trump was not my first choice in the election, but one of the 
things I have noticed, if he loses on something, he is going to come 
back and try to make the people who caused the unnecessary and 
inappropriate loss wish they hadn't forced that loss, like in this 
situation, perhaps.
  If the scare tactics about slavery coming back--and I know we will be 
hearing a lot of the Bork lines. We are already hearing some of the 
Bork lines that were lies about Judge Bork. Some of those, since they 
worked to lie about Judge Bork, they may work to lie about Kavanaugh, 
so we will probably be hearing some of those resurrected.
  But I can't help but wonder if all these lies said about Kavanaugh 
were successful as they were about Bork, wow, I just wonder about the 
next person that President Trump might appoint. I can hear people 
walking out of this Chamber someday, saying maybe it seemed pretty 
clear we should have let Kavanaugh go through, because he really wasn't 
as bad as we said he was. But that will be an interesting time down the 
road.

  I didn't plan to talk about Judge Kavanaugh, but he seems like a very 
decent man. Wow, the attacks on a decent family man, Catholic, caring 
man, it is just amazing how far things have come in America.
  But I think it is important, with all the screams about Russia, to 
understand Russia and the former Soviet Union were, indeed, a grave 
threat to the United States.
  McCarthy was partially right. He went much too far, and he got very 
abusive, but there was a threat. He just went too far, became too 
abusive, and we don't need that.
  Let me parenthetically insert that there is nothing abusive about 
questioning a serial liar about how he became so good at serial lying. 
Infidelity is not particularly an issue, not relevant, really. It is 
relevant to security clearances, certainly, because that can make 
somebody vulnerable to being turned by foreign intelligence.
  But for purposes of our hearings, like before the Judiciary 
Committee, credibility is always relevant. When a person has been a 
serial liar, that is relevant in whatever context he became a serial 
liar.
  There is an article by Steven Allen dated June 23, 2018.
  ``Political leaders and journalists are deeply concerned about 
Russian meddling in U.S. elections. Took `em long enough. The Russians 
have been meddling in U.S. elections for at least 70 years.
  ``In 1948, the Progressive Party''--there are some I know who are 
thinking the Democratic Party should change their name to Progressive

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Party, and there are those advocating such things. They like to 
informally call themselves the progressives.
  But, ``In 1948, the Progressive Party, front for the Soviet-
controlled Communist Party, ran former Vice President Henry Wallace as 
its Presidential candidate. Wallace arguably threw the election to 
President Truman by attacking him, undercutting Republicans' claims 
that Truman was `soft' on the Russians.''
  This is a quote from October 21, 1956: ``President Eisenhower today 
accused Soviet Premier Nikolai A. Bulganin of meddling in the American 
election campaign,'' the United Press reported. Again, that is October 
21, 1956.
  ``Bulganin had suggested that Democratic nominee Adlai Stevenson was 
more likely to get an agreement halting H-bomb tests. That, Eisenhower 
said, constituted `interference by a foreign nation in our internal 
affairs . . . in the midst of a national election campaign.'
  ``Historian Bruce Dearstyne reported that the Russian Ambassador in 
1960 invited Stevenson''--that is Adlai Stevenson ``to the Embassy, 
`plied' him with `drinks, caviar, and fruit,' and offered to back him 
if he would run for President again. Stevenson rejected the offer.''
  That was the Russian Ambassador in 1960, clearly attempting to 
interfere.
  ``Nikita Khrushchev, the Soviet Premier in 1960, bragged in his 
memoirs that, `By waiting to release the U-2 pilot Gary Powers until 
after the American election, we kept Nixon from being able to claim 
that he could deal with the Russians; our ploy made a difference of at 
least half a million votes, which gave Kennedy the edge he needed.'''
  So you got Nikita Khrushchev bragging that he got John F. Kennedy 
elected. I am not saying that. I am just reading what is historically 
available.
  ``In 1968, under orders from Moscow, the Soviet U.S. Ambassador 
Anatoly Dobrynin offered to secretly fund Hubert Humphrey's 
Presidential campaign. The offer was made during a breakfast at 
Humphrey's home. Dobrynin wrote in his memoirs that Humphrey declined 
the offer, saying, `It was more than enough for him to have Moscow's 
good wishes, which he highly appreciated.'''
  That was the 1960s Democratic Party hero Hubert Humphrey.
  ``In 1976, Senator Henry `Scoop' Jackson, a strong anti-Communist, 
ran for President. The Russians sent forged FBI letters to journalists 
claiming that Jackson was a closeted homosexual.''
  Of course, today, that would probably get him elected, but in 1976, 
not so helpful.

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  Also in 1976, the Russians had a spy among top Democratic Party 
activists, who participated in a 3-hour strategy session with Governor 
Jerry Brown of California and presidential candidate Jimmy Carter.
  In 1984, The Heritage Foundation issued a report: ``How Moscow 
Meddles in the West's Elections.''
  ``'Last year the Soviets tried to influence elections in West Germany 
and Britain,' Heritage reported. `And this year, it is America's turn. 
For months, Moscow's statements and actions have been aimed at 
defeating Ronald Reagan.' Methods included manipulation of the peace 
movement, threatening statements, and `direct appeals' to voters 
including `mass demonstrations.' Russian meddling was so frequent that 
the West German chancellor commented, `One was used to this sort of 
thing.'
  ``As far as I can tell, the report exposing Russian meddling received 
no news coverage.
  ``Political scientists Lawrence Caldwell and Robert Levgold pointed 
out that the Russians had begun to focus on such tactics as looking for 
`exploitable differences in the opposing camp' and appealing to the 
people `over the heads of their government.'
  ``U.S. media during this time gave lots of exposure to Americans who 
bypassed the government to communicate directly with the Russians. For 
example, a 10-year-old girl from Maine, who wrote a pro-peace letter to 
Russian leader Yuri Andropov, was given her own Disney Channel program 
about politics, `Samantha Smith Goes to Washington.'
  ``Among those seeking to work with the Russians was U.S. Senator 
Edward Kennedy, Democrat from Massachusetts, brother of martyred 
President John F. Kennedy and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy. 
According to a KGB memo,''--of course, this has been news years ago--
``Kennedy passed along a plan for countering President Reagan by 
creating pro-Russia news coverage and bringing Soviet officials to the 
United States to `appeal directly to the American people.' ''
  KGB Chief Viktor Chebrikov wrote, ``'The Senator underlined the 
importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the 
American side.'
  ``In a 2015 article, Politifact'' which I can't give a lot of 
credence to, ``quoted Ken Adelman, Reagan's deputy U.N. ambassador, 
explaining that the Reagan Administration ignored the Kennedy overture 
because `We knew Senators were doing this sort of thing all the time.'
  ``Russian meddling declined after the Cold War, then resumed.
  `` `Occupy Wall Street' protests,''--and this is important news--`` 
`Occupy Wall Street' protests, beginning in 2011, were heavily 
supported by the Russians, as noted in a report by U.S. intelligence 
agencies: `RT's, Russia Today, Editor in Chief . . . characterized RT's 
coverage of the Occupy Wall Street movement as `information warfare' 
that is aimed at promoting popular dissatisfaction with the U.S. 
government. RT created a Facebook app to connect Occupy Wall Street 
protesters via social media,' and `RT featured its own hosts in Occupy 
rallies.' ''
  Obviously in 2011 and 2012--this isn't in the article--but obviously 
the Russians were playing heavily in that election, and we had a 
President named Obama that could have done something to stop the 
Russians from trying to throw the election to the Obama campaign by 
harming the Republicans and helping the Occupy Wall Street movement, 
but the Obama administration did nothing of the sort.
  Back to the article, it says, ``At least since 2011, the Russians 
have funneled money to groups in the United States and Europe opposed 
to fracking, which threatens Russia's dominance in oil and gas.''
  And in fairness with regard to the Russian funding efforts to stop 
the fracking that has made the United States the biggest oil producer, 
those efforts weren't entirely Russian. Yes, our ability to produce 
more oil has directly harmed Russia, but it has also hurt the Middle 
East. And you can find that there were programs and videos funded by 
people in the Middle East to scare Americans to put them against 
fracking so that Russia and the Middle East could go back to being 
where most of the oil was coming from.
  Anyway, this article says, ``To do this,'' talking about opposing 
fracking, the Russians ``use a network of front organizations that 
include corporations, law firms, and nonprofit groups, with some of the 
money getting into the United States through Bermuda.
  ``Facing criticism from Republicans over his soft-on-Putin policies, 
President Obama sought during his 2012 reelection campaign, to avoid 
confrontation with the Russians.''
  Of course, inserted parenthetically here, when he knew the Russians 
were helping his campaign and hurting Mitt Romney's campaign, then, of 
course, maybe that played into his decision not to try to stop the 
Russians meddling in the U.S. election.
  ``The Russians cooperated. In March 2012, Obama was heard on an open 
microphone telling Putin sidekick Dmitry Medvedev that he would `have 
more flexibility' after the election but `it's important for him to 
give me space.' Medvedev replied: `I will transmit this information to 
Vladimir, and I stand with you.'''
  So maybe that had something to do with the Obama administration not 
wanting to confront Russia about their meddling, because they were 
meddling on behalf of Obama.
  In any event, the article says, ``Time and time again, Russia 
meddled. It was, `the experts' said, something we were used to, 
something that happened all the time, no big deal. Then, one day, 
Democrats need an excuse for losing an election. And everything 
changed.''
  So an interesting article there by Steven J. Allen, June 23.
  Mr. Speaker, it is rather tragic that we had a hearing on Friday: I 
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violate the rules of the House; many of my Democratic colleagues did. 
You are not supposed to interrupt, rudely interrupt another Member's 
time, constantly yelling, He needs to take his meds. That is a 
violation of the rule. I didn't call anybody on the rule violations.

  But it is certainly not a violation of the House rules--and I hope my 
colleagues will understand--when a witness is sitting there lying 
through his teeth, it is permissible to call him exactly what he is: a 
liar; in Strzok's case, a serial liar.
  I saw it during his closed-door testimony. Some of us talked about 
this guy, he looked so good, you know, he looked like he could pass any 
polygraph test. And then I find out, well, actually, he had a couple of 
deceptions indicated along the way, but apparently he had people inside 
the FBI helping keep him in his top position as one of the top leaders. 
So apparently he wasn't quite as good at lying as I thought he was.
  But we have got to get back to being seekers of truth and not deniers 
of the opportunity to find it.
  I mean, our whole civilization stands on the brink of an end when 
young people today in such big numbers think these activities of 
socialism, progressivism, communism, that those are good, healthy 
things.
  There is only one way you can have socialism or communism: you have 
got to have dictatorial powers in the hands of either a dictator or a 
committee and there has got to be very little freedom. The government 
will let you have freedom, and they will take it away, with every right 
to do that.
  This is such an anomaly we have here in the United States. People 
around the world, and I am not talking about the talking heads in the 
media and Europe, the EU, Britain, some of the other places, I am 
talking about people that live in these countries day to day all over 
the world, so many see us as their chance for some peace in this life.
  Quoting before, but a man named Ebenezer in Togo, Africa, said: You 
know, our group here, we are Christians. We know where we go when we 
die, but our only chance of having peace in this life is if America is 
strong. Tell leaders in Washington, stop allowing America to get weaker 
and weaker.
  Trump wants to see this country get strong. Some of them said how, as 
a Christian, could you support a guy like Trump, as he had been 
involved in infidelity in the past. I have people sling that my way. 
But the Bible addresses such a thing. You know, it talks about: When I 
was a child, I spoke as a child--that was the Apostle Paul--but when I 
became an adult, I put aside childish things.
  And when Donald J. Trump was a Democrat and hung around Bill Clinton, 
he talked like Bill Clinton, he acted like Bill Clinton. So I forgive 
him.
  I would like to do anything we can in this body to help make America 
stronger so those people, those souls crying out around the world for a 
strong America so they have a chance at peace will indeed have a chance 
at peace.
  We have been given a gift. That is something scripture also 
addresses: ``To whom much is given, of him much will be required.''
  We have got to do better than this, but there is nothing ever wrong 
with facing a liar and calling him a liar.
  And the only thing worse than a serial liar at a hearing in the U.S. 
Capitol is when the serial liar that has damaged the country, hopefully 
not irreparably, but damaged it badly, tries to make himself a victim.
  We have had enough of that. Let's get back to truth.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.

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