[Congressional Record Volume 164, Number 117 (Thursday, July 12, 2018)]
[House]
[Pages H6166-H6168]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
PETER STRZOK'S TESTIMONY ON CAPITOL HILL
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of
January 3, 2017, the Chair recognizes the gentleman from Texas (Mr.
Gohmert) for 30 minutes.
Mr. GOHMERT. Madam Speaker, it has been an interesting day here on
Capitol Hill. Madam Speaker, the hearing was still going on when I was
just in the Cloakroom, where we had an FBI agent, one of the top
supervisors, he had been in charge of foreign counterintelligence as
well, and then after his outrageous bias and comments through text
messages came to light, Robert Mueller relieved him from the Trump
investigation and left the others who were just as biased. But it was
an incredible day.
For somebody who has not just shown bias, but outrageous animus,
disgust, disdain, and deploring people who voted for Trump by their
smell, he
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tried to clean it up a little bit in his testimony today.
Madam Speaker, I thought it might be helpful to some of our Members
who know there is some rule here of the House that somehow you are not
supposed to besmirch other Members. I am not sure how far it goes, but
if they will check the rule, it is for those who are elected, be it
House Member, Senate, Vice President, President, we are required to
show decency and not call into question the intentions of such an
elected person.
When a witness comes before a hearing who is testifying 180 degrees
opposite of what he put in writing thousands of times, for most of us,
for a majority here in the House, it has no credibility. It makes the
witness even look worse.
To come in after we have seen so many of the texts he sent, we have
got a good sense of where this man's heart, soul, and mind have been.
It appeared abundantly clear that he had gotten very, very good at
lying. It doesn't violate any House rule to say that.
Now, when we were in our hearing, and one of my Democratic friends
across the aisle yelled that I was off my meds, see, now, that was a
violation of the rule. I thought about calling it out, having her words
taken down, but we didn't need any further delays. But I thought it
might be informative to my friends across the aisle who don't
understand the rules of the House, but when somebody is lying through
their teeth, sitting there smugly and smirking, and, frankly, when it
hit me, that is probably the same smug little smirk you had on your
face when you told your wife, no telling how many times, there is
nothing going on between me and Lisa Page. He got really good at lying
and showing no emotion whatsoever.
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So, unfortunately, what I brought out in that hearing and he denied
recalling should not be lost in the exchange about his lying. It is far
more important.
But for the record, as a prosecutor, a defense attorney, a felony
judge, a chief justice, and as a Member of Congress, I have asked
thousands of witnesses questions. When you have somebody who has just
gotten so good at lying that there is no indication in their eyes
whatsoever that it bothers them to lie, somebody has got to call them
out on it. It is just not good for the state of this Union.
It is also denying credibility to actually have the witness say he
doesn't recall getting information about a foreign entity that is not
Russia getting every--actually, it was over 30,000 emails, emails that
were sent through to Hillary Clinton through the unauthorized server
and unsecured server and every email she sent out. There were highly
classified--beyond classified--top secret-type stuff that had gone
through that server.
Out of the over 30,000 emails that went through that server, all but
4 of them--no explanation why those 4 didn't get the same instruction,
but we have some very good intelligence people--when they were asked to
look at Hillary Clinton's emails, they picked up an anomaly. As they
did forensic research on the emails, they found that anomaly was
actually an instruction embedded, compartmentalized data embedded in
the email server telling the server to send a copy of every email that
came to Hillary Clinton through that unauthorized server and every
email that she sent out through that server, to send it to this foreign
entity that is not Russia.
We know that efforts were made to get Inspector General Horowitz to
receive that information. He would not return a call. Apparently, he
didn't want that information because that would go against his saying
that the bias did not affect the investigation.
Of course it affected the investigation. It couldn't help but affect
the investigation. It denies logic and common sense to say somebody
with that much animus, that much bias and prejudice would not have it
affect their investigation.
Madam Speaker, I can tell you I know there are people in this House
who don't care for me, but I can also tell you there is no one in this
House on either side of this aisle who I would put up with being
investigated and prosecuted by somebody with the hatred, the absolute
nasty prejudice that Peter Strzok had for Donald Trump. I wouldn't put
up with it. I would go to bat for any Democrat in this House, any
Republican in this House, the ones who don't like me on either side. It
wouldn't matter.
Nobody in the United States of America should have the full power of
the Federal Government coming after them in the hands of somebody
prejudiced, full of hate for that individual. But such is what we are
dealing with here. That is why I laid the groundwork, gave the names of
the people--some of them--that were there when Peter Strzok was
informed about Hillary Clinton's emails for sure going to a foreign
entity. This is serious stuff.
What came of our intelligence community providing that information to
the FBI agent in charge, Peter Strzok? Nothing. Peter Strzok received
the information that it wasn't speculation, that maybe Hillary
Clinton's emails were capable of being hacked, but we have no evidence
that they were hacked.
All this garbage that we have heard about from reports? No. When the
FBI was told her emails were hacked and every email she received, every
email she sent out--over 30,000, except for 4--over 30,000 were
compromised and going to a foreign entity not Russia, and Mr. Strzok
did nothing about it.
When I started laying the groundwork pointing out the people, I am
told an attorney behind Mr. Strzok mouthed, ``Oh, my gosh,'' something
like that, as I was laying the groundwork. I don't know if she knew
what I was talking about or not, but I thought I picked up just a
fleeting note of detection in Peter Strzok's eyes that he knew what I
was talking about.
But, again, for my friends who are not familiar with the true rules
of the House, let me explain. In trial courts, for example, the felony
court over which I was a judge, the rules of evidence are very strict,
and we protect the jury from hearing things that don't have any basis
for believability. That is why most hearsay cannot come in, but there
are exceptions.
But one rule that you always find in any court, no matter how strict
the rules are, the credibility of the witness is always in evidence,
always relevant, always material. The witness' credibility is always
material and relevant.
When it has been as open and everyone in our hearing room knew what
has been going on for such a prolonged period and I saw that look, that
is all I could think is: I wonder if that is the same look you gave
your wife over and over when you lied to her about Lisa Page.
The credibility of a witness is always material and relevant. Mark it
down.
Now, in our House hearings, the rules are not that strict. It is more
in the nature of anything that we feel may be relevant to the subject
at hand. But in a hearing like today, even things that have nothing to
do--they are not germane, they are not relevant, they are not material
to what we are doing, we still have people bring in posters about
something that is not germane, not relevant, not material; and they can
get away with doing it, in some cases, as they did today, even though
the rules probably could have restricted keeping some of that out. We
have very relaxed rules, so these kind of things happen.
Like I say, to yell out I am off my meds, yes, that violates the
rule, but I am sure my Democratic friend didn't realize what a rule-
breaker she was as she tried to claim I was breaking the rules, which I
was not.
But what really came home, too, is, again, Inspector General Horowitz
did a good job gathering the evidence, except he refused to get the
evidence that was offered to him about Hillary Clinton's emails
absolutely, unequivocally being hacked and everything over
30,000, except for 4, going to a foreign entity not Russia.
You get the picture. The bias made a lot of difference in the outcome
of the case.
Horowitz is just wrong about that. He was obviously--as I said at the
hearing: So you give us over 500 pages showing bias by the
investigators on the Republican side, and since you don't want your
Democratic friends mad at you, you conclude there is no indication all
of this evidence showed any affect on the outcome.
Well, hello. When you show such hatred and animus in the mind of the
lead
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investigator and you show that everything that concluded from that
investigation was 100 percent consistent with the bias and hatred, you
don't have to have the witness agree: You are right; you caught me. All
my bias affected the outcome of my investigation.
Just like a prosecutor who puts on evidence that a guy gets in a car,
drives to a bank, pulls out a gun, holds it to the head of the teller,
makes the teller give him money, and leaves in that car, you have to
prove intent, that he intended to rob the bank, but you don't have to
have evidence that the bank robber said, ``Hey, I intend to rob this
bank.'' No.
When the results--and there are a lot of results--all of them are
consistent with the bias and the hatred, the disdain, the animus, then
you have got at least a de facto case, certainly one that can get past
a motion for summary judgment and get to the jury and put in the hands
of the fact finder.
Again, when you have somebody who is as good at lying to folks over
and over and over again with a straight face, gets a lot of practice,
and he comes before Congress--the guy is good. He is really good.
As I told him--I think, obviously, he and his lawyer had a different
opinion, but it seemed to me it would have been more credible to come
in and do what Inspector General Horowitz did, and say: Yeah, there is
a lot of bias here, no question, but I don't think it affected the
outcome.
Of course, he wasn't 100 percent sure, it didn't sound like, that it
didn't affect when Strzok decided to end the Hillary Clinton
investigation and when he immediately decided to pick up the
investigation against Trump.
As I heard my friend say over and over about how Comey, of course,
just really harmed the Clinton campaign, they are ignoring something
that appeared pretty clear, even without resorting to people who have
provided information about what went on.
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We know Hillary Clinton's emails that she claimed were missing were
found on Anthony Weiner's laptop. Maybe it was Huma Abedin, Anthony
Weiner, one of their laptops. They found those emails there.
Of course, Peter Strzok, helping the woman whom he thought ought to
win 100 million to 0 for President, wow, that was not good news for
people like him who wanted to help Hillary.
They couldn't help the fact that FBI agents, when investigating
something else, find all these missing 30,000 or so emails on this
laptop. And they have got the information at least for some weeks,
maybe 2, maybe 3, maybe 4. We are not sure, but they had found this
information.
So Comey was in a difficult situation. He wanted Hillary to win, no
question. He did not want Donald Trump to win. He never did like Trump,
never has, apparently, things he has said and done.
So what could he do that would cause the least amount of problems for
Hillary Clinton?
There was a threat, apparently, that FBI agents were going to go
public that they had found these missing emails and that Comey was
blocking reopening the investigation now that we have all these emails.
And if FBI agents, who are righteous, unlike Peter Strzok, really
righteous people--and I know a lot of them around the country. They are
good, decent, upstanding, honorable, give-their-life-for-their-country
kind of people, not give their affair for themselves but give their
lives for their country. Those people have gotten a big blemish on them
because of Peter Strzok and others at the top of the Department of
Justice in the last administration, as they held over. They would never
do what Peter Strzok did. They would never do that.
So it gets a little like they erect a straw dog: You are condemning
the thousands of great FBI agents around the country.
No, I am blaming you. We know they are good, but you are not.
And that is where we have been here. This country is in a lot of
trouble. But it was very clear: Peter Strzok, intentionally and
knowingly, with demonstrated prejudice, refused to pursue the disclosed
fact to him, in his presence, that a foreign entity not Russia was
getting every email that Hillary Clinton sent and received. There was
classified material in there, and there was higher than just plain
classified. There was extremely sensitive information in there.
What else did we know? Actually, if you dig what has been uncovered
during the last 2 years, Hillary Clinton had the President's Daily
Briefing going to her home. And there are times that the young man--I
believe his name was Oscar Flores--who worked there, they may have
tried to get him a clearance at one time, but, apparently, from what I
could read, he didn't have any kind of clearance, yet he would print
stuff off.
The President's Daily Briefing is some of the most sensitive
information in the entire United States Government, extreme
sensitivity, and she violated the law by making it accessible to people
without the proper clearance and, certainly, her young man, or man, who
was working there for her.
She violated the law. It wasn't necessary that she have intent; it
was just necessary that she broke the law in that case.
I really would like to have intent be an element of most every crime
that is in the Federal law. I think it would be a good idea. But right
now it is not part of the laws she broke.
Yet people like Peter Strzok covered for her. They refused to pursue
the things that would have made her guilty. They went after things to
try to hurt Donald Trump.
When you look at that October press conference that Comey had, you
realize, gee, what if he had not called that press conference and you
had one or more FBI agents come out and say: ``Hey, we found these
emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop weeks ago, and Comey refused to
reopen the investigation''; that would have doomed her election far
worse than what happened.
So what, under the circumstances, was the best thing that Comey could
do for his friend Hillary Clinton? It was to get out ahead of anybody
disclosing that they had been sitting on the thought-to-be-lost emails
and say: We have got them.
Then, as I had said back at the time, well, we will find out how
serious Comey is. If he comes back within 2 or 3 days and says they
have examined all 30,000 or so, whatever, of the emails, then we will
know that this was just a charade to cover for Hillary Clinton, because
they are not going to be able to adequately research all of those
emails in just a matter of 2 or 3 days.
He came back very quickly, so that it would not affect the election
coming up, and announced: No. Clean bill of health. We looked at all
the new evidence. Nothing was there.
Except they still didn't bother to use the information provided by
the intelligence community that was available. They didn't pick it up,
didn't do anything with what was disclosed.
I am telling you, I am very grateful we have people working in this
government who want to protect the United States and want to protect
the United States' people. They don't get a lot of credit, usually
don't get any credit, but they do a good job for this country; and my
head and my heart and my salute go out to them as we deal with the mess
that has been created by those with far more selfish motives.
Madam Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
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