[Congressional Record Volume 163, Number 149 (Thursday, September 14, 2017)]
[Senate]
[Pages S5711-S5712]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
TAX REFORM
Mr. SCHUMER. Finally, Mr. President--a lot to say this morning--a
word on taxes. Last night at the White House, President Trump said he
didn't want his tax plan to benefit the very wealthy. That is a good
thing. We Democrats agree. Forty-five of the forty-eight of us signed a
letter that no tax breaks should go to the top 1 percent. They are
doing great. God bless them. I am glad they are doing well. They don't
need a tax break. Middle-class people do.
But the devil, when the President says that, is always in the
details, and we haven't seen any details. We haven't seen anything
resembling a
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plan yet. We hear it is being written in a back room by the so-called
Big 6--all Republican--but I haven't seen it, Ranking Member Wyden
hasn't seen it, and no Democrat in the Senate has seen it.
I can tell you one thing: If the President's tax plan repeals or
rolls back the estate tax, it will be clear that a lot of this plan
benefits the very rich, contrary to all of his words.
I would remind everyone that only 5,200 of the over 2.7 million
estates in this country will pay any taxes this year. The estate tax
only kicks in when couples with estates of nearly $11 million transfer
their wealth. Go to North Dakota--and I know the Acting President pro
tempore has nice family farms out there--and ask how many have an
estate worth $11 million, and if they do, I am willing to exempt from
the estate tax a family farm that is over that. But almost no one does.
A study by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities showed that of
the 5,200 estates--here we have 2.7 million estates. Only 5,200 qualify
for the estate tax because they are worth $11 million, and of those, 50
are small farms or businesses--50. Let's exempt those 50. Let's make
all of these other guys pay. We need the money. They are rich. God
bless them.
So when President Trump says the estate tax is a burden on the family
farmer, I honestly don't know what he is talking about. There may be a
few. They may make a lot of noise. God bless them. That is their right
as Americans. There are very, very few. That is not what the facts say.
Let me show my colleagues the next chart. Of 2.7 million taxable
estates, just 50 are farms and small businesses that would benefit from
the repeal of the estate tax--2.7 million; 50.
There was an amazing moment last night at the meeting we held at the
White House when the estate tax came up, and a few of the President's
advisers said: Oh, no one pays the estate tax. There have even been
news reports that Gary Cohn has told Members of Congress that ``only
morons pay the estate tax.'' What they mean, of course, is that rich
people--people rich enough to be levied estate taxes--can find ways
around paying them; they can afford all of those lawyers and estate
planners.
Well, first, they are wrong. Repealing the estate tax would add $269
billion to the deficit over 10 years--$269 billion. So there are a lot
of people paying the estate tax. Maybe they are morons, as Gary Cohn
once called them, maybe they are not, but there is a lot of money out
there that comes in from these very wealthy with the estate tax.
Second, Mr. Cohn and the others who say this bring up an important
point. The right thing to do is not repeal the estate tax but close the
loopholes. If you have an estate worth that much, you should be paying
the estate tax, not finding clever ways to avoid your tax obligation.
Again, if you are rich, if you have a big estate, God bless you. That
is the American way. But pay your fair share. Pay your fair share.
Democrats want to participate in reforming our Tax Code. There are
lots of good things we can agree on--closing loopholes like this one,
cutting taxes for the middle class, helping small businesses, bringing
offshore deferred income back into the United States.
We have laid out three principles: no reconciliation--that means do
it together, not how they did healthcare, which didn't end up with a
great result; second, no tax cuts for the top 1 percent, who are doing
just fine, God bless them; third, fiscal responsibility--we should not
increase the deficit as we cut taxes, particularly now that we are
going to have to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to help the
beleaguered States of Texas and Florida.
Some Republicans have characterized those three principles as lines
in the sand that show that Democrats aren't serious about tax reform.
So I would ask my Republican colleagues, which of the three do you not
agree with? Do you think we should cut taxes on the top 1 percent? Do
you think we should create deficits by cutting taxes on the wealthy? Do
you think you should just go at this alone? If you agree with those,
fine. Say so. Don't say that these are lines in the sand. We are
offering some policy guidance that has virtually unanimous support in
our caucus.
By the way, these three principles guided the 1986 tax reform, which
was the most successful tax reform we have had in decades.
It seems to me it is not Democrats who would move the goalpost on tax
reform but some Republicans who no longer want to play by the same
rules
Mr. President, I yield the floor to my dear friend, the chairman of
the Armed Services Committee, who is doing a great job getting this
bill through.
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