[Congressional Record Volume 163, Number 46 (Thursday, March 16, 2017)]
[House]
[Pages H2094-H2100]
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PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 1259, VA ACCOUNTABILITY FIRST ACT
OF 2017; PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 1367, IMPROVING AUTHORITY
OF SECRETARY OF VETERANS AFFAIRS TO HIRE AND RETAIN PHYSICIANS AND
OTHER EMPLOYEES; AND PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 1181, VETERANS
2ND AMENDMENT PROTECTION ACT
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call
up House Resolution 198 and ask for its immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:
H. Res. 198
Resolved, That at any time after adoption of this
resolution the Speaker may, pursuant to clause 2(b) of rule
XVIII, declare the House resolved into the Committee of the
Whole House on the state of the Union for consideration of
the bill (H.R. 1259) to amend title 38, United States Code,
to provide for the removal or demotion of employees of the
Department of Veterans Affairs based on performance or
misconduct, and for other purposes. The first reading of the
bill shall be dispensed with. All points of order against
consideration of the bill are waived. General debate shall be
confined to the bill and shall not exceed one hour equally
divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority
member of the Committee on Veterans' Affairs. After general
debate the bill shall be considered for amendment under the
five-minute rule. It shall be in order to consider as an
original bill for the purpose of amendment under the five-
minute rule an amendment in the nature of a substitute
consisting of the text of Rules Committee Print 115-7. That
amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be considered
as read. All points of order against that amendment in the
nature of a substitute are waived. No amendment to that
amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be in order
except those printed in part A of the report of the Committee
on Rules accompanying this resolution. Each such amendment
may be offered only in the order printed in the report, may
be offered only by a Member designated in the report, shall
be considered as read, shall be debatable for the time
specified in the report equally divided and controlled by the
proponent and an opponent, shall not be subject to amendment,
and shall not be subject to a demand for division of the
question in the House or in the Committee of the Whole. All
points of order against such amendments are waived. At the
conclusion of consideration of the bill for amendment the
Committee shall rise and report the bill to the House with
such amendments as may have been adopted. Any Member may
demand a separate vote in the House on any amendment adopted
in the Committee of the Whole to the bill or to the amendment
in the nature of a substitute made in order as original text.
The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the
bill and amendments thereto to final passage without
intervening motion except one motion to recommit with or
without instructions.
Sec. 2. At any time after adoption of this resolution the
Speaker may, pursuant to clause 2(b) of rule XVIII, declare
the House resolved into the Committee of the Whole House on
the state of the Union for consideration of the bill (H.R.
1367) to improve the authority of the Secretary of Veterans
Affairs to hire and retain physicians and other employees of
the Department of Veterans Affairs, and for other purposes.
The first reading of the bill shall be dispensed with. All
points of order against consideration of the bill are waived.
General debate shall be confined to the bill and shall not
exceed one hour equally divided and controlled by the chair
and ranking minority member of the Committee on Veterans'
Affairs. After general debate the bill shall be considered
for amendment under the five-minute rule. It shall be in
order to consider as an original bill for the purpose of
amendment under the five-minute rule an amendment in the
nature of a substitute consisting of the text of Rules
Committee Print 115-6. That amendment in the nature of a
substitute shall be considered as read. All points of order
against that amendment in the nature of a substitute are
waived. No amendment to that amendment in the nature of a
substitute shall be in order except those printed in part B
of the report of the Committee on Rules accompanying this
resolution. Each such amendment may be offered only in the
order printed in the report, may be offered only by a Member
designated in the report, shall be considered as read, shall
be debatable for the time specified in the report equally
divided and controlled by the proponent and an opponent,
shall not be subject to amendment, and shall not be subject
to a demand for division of the question in the House or in
the Committee of the Whole. All points of order against such
amendments are waived. At the conclusion of consideration of
the bill for amendment the Committee shall rise and report
the bill to the House with such amendments as may have been
adopted. Any Member may demand a separate vote in the House
on any amendment adopted in the Committee of the Whole to the
bill or to the amendment in the nature of a substitute made
in order as original text. The previous question shall be
considered as ordered on the bill and amendments thereto to
final passage without intervening motion except one motion to
recommit with or without instructions.
Sec. 3. Upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in
order to consider in the House the bill (H.R. 1181) to amend
title 38, United States Code, to clarify the conditions under
which certain persons may be treated as adjudicated mentally
incompetent for certain purposes. All points of order against
consideration of the bill are waived. The bill shall be
considered as read. All points of order against provisions in
the bill are waived. The previous question shall be
considered as ordered on the bill and on any amendment
thereto to final passage without intervening motion except:
(1) one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the
chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on
Veterans' Affairs; and (2) one motion to recommit.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Colorado is recognized
for 1 hour.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the
customary 30 minutes to the gentleman
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from Florida (Mr. Hastings), my friend, pending which I yield myself
such time as I may consume. During consideration of this resolution,
all time yielded is for the purpose of debate only.
General Leave
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members have
5 legislative days to revise and extend their remarks.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Colorado?
There was no objection.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of the rule and the
underlying legislation.
Our veterans have paid a high price. Dispatched to foreign lands to
fight for our freedom, many returned injured, grief-stricken over lost
friends, and torn apart by the violence of war.
We owe them our time, our energy, our gratitude, and our protection.
That is why we are here on the floor today: to protect the
constitutional rights of our heroes and to make sure we are taking care
of them like we promised we would.
H.R. 1181, the Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act, ensures that
government cannot strip our heroes of their constitutional rights
without due process. Under current law, if the VA determines that a
veteran needs a guardian or fiduciary to help manage their benefits,
then that veteran's name must be sent to the NICS database, prohibiting
them from purchasing a firearm.
The decision to strip any constitutional right from anyone, most
importantly our veterans who have put their lives on the line to defend
our Constitution, needs to be made with due process. The VA was never
designed to adjudicate the removal of constitutional rights. This
decision should be made by a judge or judicial authority.
Instead of stripping veterans of constitutional rights, our VA should
be focused on protecting veterans. That is exactly what the other two
bills under consideration do.
H.R. 1259 gives the Department of Veterans Affairs greater ability to
discipline employees for misconduct or poor performance.
We entrust our VA employees with the health and well-being of our
veterans. Most of these employees do a great job, working hard to make
sure our heroes are cared for; but, occasionally, a VA employee engages
in misconduct, behavior that can endanger the very lives of our
veterans.
These men and women sacrificed to serve our Nation. The least we can
do is enable them to receive the best care possible at the VA. That is
why we need H.R. 1259, to allow the VA, under an expedited process, to
fire or suspend or demote employees who are putting our veterans at
risk.
The legislation also allows the VA to recoup the money paid in
bonuses or relocation grants to employees convicted of a felony.
Mr. Speaker, our veterans deserve the best. They deserve the best
employees. They deserve the best medical staff. That is what the third
bill under consideration, H.R. 1367, will achieve. This legislation
improves the VA's ability to recruit the best medical staff, offering
the agency direct hiring authority to fill key positions with critical
staffing needs.
It also creates a fellowship program to train up VA management for
the best performance. It is time to improve the personnel practices at
the Veterans Administration.
Mr. Speaker, the resolution on the floor today is vital for our
Nation's veterans. Their constitutional rights and their well-being
stand in the balance.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. HASTINGS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I thank the gentleman, my friend from Colorado, for yielding me the
customary 30 minutes for debate, and I rise to debate the rule
providing for consideration of the three bills related to the
Department of Veterans Affairs--interestingly, all under one rule. We
have been doing two bills under one rule. We are now headed to three. I
recommend we just put all of our bills under a rule and save us a lot
of time.
The first bill under today's rule, to improve the authority of the
Secretary of Veterans Affairs to hire and retain physicians and other
employees of the Department of Veterans Affairs, the bipartisanship
reflected in this bill is certainly a rarity in this body and, frankly,
could have easily come before us under the suspension of the rules.
There are nearly 47,000 job vacancies for doctors, nurses, and other
medical professionals throughout the Veterans Administration's
healthcare system. The VA is consistently rated as one of the worst
Federal agencies in terms of pay and leadership, and since 2009, the
number of VA employees resigning or retiring has risen every year.
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As of the new year, 547,000 patients were waiting more than 30 days
for care at a VA hospital. It is clear that we must act to improve the
VA on a holistic level, and this bill is a good start.
This legislation establishes staffing, recruitment, and retention
programs to enable the VA to build a stronger workforce.
However, I am disappointed that the Rules Committee majority did not
make in order an amendment that I offered to this measure, which would
have allowed the Secretary of the VA to fill any existing vacant
positions within the Veterans Administration, regardless of whether the
position was vacated before or after the reckless hiring freeze imposed
by Donald John Trump.
I would also note that Representatives Schrader and Moulton offered
an amendment that would fully lift the hiring freeze, but the Rules
Committee blocked this amendment as well from receiving a vote on the
House floor. I remain disheartened at the way the majority continues to
operate the business of the House of Representatives.
The bipartisanship this bill enjoys dissipates when we move to
another bill wrapped in today's three-rule measure, and that is H.R.
1181, the Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act. Before I launch into
all of my remarks regarding this, I want to make it very clear that I
and most Members of the House of Representatives will do everything we
can to protect the Second Amendment rights of U.S. citizens and
veterans especially.
This legislation, however, if enacted, would immediately enable
approximately 174,000 veterans currently deemed mentally unfit by the
VA to purchase firearms. At its core, this bill assumes that all
veterans with mental illness should have unfettered access to guns,
regardless of whether they will turn the weapon on themselves or their
loved ones, and that any determination otherwise is simply wrong. The
broadly reaching bill arbitrarily removes every veteran flagged by the
National Instant Criminal Background Check System from its rolls,
literally putting tens of thousands of lives at risk.
Let's look at the facts. Under procedures currently in place by the
VA and the Department of Justice, an individual who lacks the mental
capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs can be
prevented from purchasing a gun. This term applies to veterans with
severe mental illnesses who require a fiduciary to help manage their VA
benefits. If the veteran thinks there was an error or that he or she
was unfairly disqualified, the veteran can utilize the same due process
and appeals procedures that are available for other VA decisions.
Under the current process, which was codified in the 21st Century
Cures Act just a few months ago, the veteran is allowed a hearing
before the Board of Veterans Appeals and given several opportunities
for judicial review and appeal in Federal court.
Mr. Speaker, this bill turns this sensible and humane approach on its
head. It is time that we acknowledge where we are as a country. It is
time that we deal with the fact that we are in the midst of a veterans'
suicide epidemic. Twenty veterans kill themselves every day. That is
7,300 of our finest and bravest persons in our society. Two-thirds of
these suicides are carried out using firearms.
A Department of Veterans Affairs report, provided to Congress in
2015, revealed that nearly 20,000 veterans diagnosed with
schizophrenia, 15,000 diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder,
and thousands more diagnosed with dementia, Alzheimer's, and serious
depression were on the NICS rolls. Under this bill, these individuals
and many more would be given immediate
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access to guns, putting themselves and others in danger.
Even as our Nation suffers shooting after shooting, Congress has not
acted. Democrats held a sit-in in this very room in that well in this
last Congress to protest the callousness of the House Republican
leadership in preventing us from even considering legislation to
protect our citizens with reference to guns. Rather than act to address
gun violence, we instead considered legislation like this, which will
actually lead to more gun violence, Mr. Speaker. The logic and lack of
compassion in such an approach absolutely escapes me.
Our country has witnessed horrific shootings in the past few years.
Dozens of children were murdered at Sandy Hook. Nearly 50 people were
killed at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando. One of our very own from this
Congress was nearly assassinated while holding a townhall event in
2011. We continue to ignore the ramifications of shootings at Oak
Creek, Aurora, Virginia Tech--I could go on and on--Charleston. The
list just continues. 32,000 Americans lose their lives every year from
gun violence.
We have grieved together. And I, along with several of my colleagues,
have stopped standing down here in the well for a moment of silence and
then going back to our regular business after hundreds of our people
are killed throughout this society. We have demanded change together,
and we have been shocked by the paralysis that has gripped this
institution when it comes to taking commonsense steps to end our
country's gun violence epidemic.
Today, we see in this bill another measure coming out of Republican
leadership that sprints toward the goal set by this country's powerful
gun lobby. Listen up, NRA, there are people like me that aspire to have
a zero rating by you every year. And it is not just the gun lobbyists,
it is gun manufacturers as well. It may be great for the gun
manufacturers' bottom line and the NRA's bottom line, but it is
terrible for those brave men and women who have served this country so
fully, those brave men and women who suffer wounds that may not be
visible to the naked eye, but are no less real and worthy of our
attention.
With each new tragedy that occurs, whether it be a mass shooting or
the 20 servicemembers we lose every day to suicide, those who stand in
the way of legislation to address our country's gun violence epidemic
are increasingly culpable for its continuation. I am disgusted with
this morally bankrupt obfuscation, and I think the American people are,
too.
Let me lay down a marker. Of the 435, plus six Members of the House
of Representatives and the 100 U.S. Senators, I want to see the first
person when this measure goes into effect, if it does, and 174,000
veterans are taken off of the NICS rolls and can access guns, the first
one that dies--and I hope we track it--I want everybody to stand up and
remember that we had a chance to stop it here. Don't tell me, if 20
veterans are killing themselves every day and if 7,000-plus of them are
killing themselves every year--and we won't even mention domestic
violence and the horror that comes from those guns--if we continue this
effort, we will allow more deaths along those lines.
Before concluding, Mr. Speaker, I want to say a few words about the
final bill encompassed in this rule, H.R. 1259, the VA Accountability
First Act of 2017, and the Republicans' continued assault on the
working people of this country.
At its core, this bill is an attack on workers' rights, plain and
simple, and will do more harm than good in our efforts to improve care
at the Veterans Administration. This legislation would strip the
collective bargaining rights of VA workers. It weakens an employee's
right to appeal. It weakens protections for VA workers who speak up
against mismanagement and patient harm.
Republicans claim they want to help fix our VA system, yet, with this
bill, they do that by insulting, undermining, and attacking the very
employees who serve and care for our veterans, including the over
120,000 veterans who work for the VA. Yesterday, one of our colleagues
presented at the Rules Committee a statistic that I didn't know. Of the
2 million Federal employees in this great Nation of ours, 640,000 of
them are veterans. So when we get ready to pare back this government
that somehow or another people have targeted for all sorts of cuts, if
you read today's budget proposal by Donald John Trump, you will see
that lots of these veterans will be losing their jobs, in addition to
all of the things that we have already discussed.
We need to make improvements at the VA. Everybody knows that. That is
clear. But singling out VA employees and their protections is
counterproductive, to say the least, and only compounds manpower
shortages plaguing the agency.
This legislation will exacerbate recruitment problems and impair
retention at the agency. It threatens the agency's ability to build a
robust clinical workforce by threatening the quality of care that the
VA will be able to provide.
I don't know what the pique is by my Republican colleagues with
reference to workers in this country. They talk a very good game about
protecting workers and we are going to bring back jobs and we are going
to do all of these things that are going to protect the middle class.
I will get a chance to talk about this a little bit more, but I am
very proud of the unions in this Nation. They are the unions that
people like my father and countless of us who served in the House of
Representatives worked in and helped build this Nation. They are the
people that our veterans from the Second World War, the Korean
conflict, and Vietnam who became union members and went on to do things
for collective bargaining that made workers' rights be better for
people in America. And I don't see tearing them down--let alone in the
VA administration--is something that we need to do.
Mr. Speaker, my friends on the other side of the aisle know exactly
where their priorities lie with this bill, and it is certainly not with
improving the quality of care of our veterans, but rather in exploiting
yet another opportunity to attack the rights of working men and women
across our country.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
My friend from Florida and I were in committee yesterday and heard
testimony from one of our colleagues that this bill, as it pertains to
veterans' gun rights, is not reactive. It does not go back to those
individuals who have been denied their due process rights, who have
been denied their Second Amendment rights.
This bill is prospective only. It will only affect those who in the
future have been denied those rights. And I think it is absolutely
important that we understand the Republican Party in the House of
Representatives is committed to make sure that those individuals who
have been denied their due process rights, their Second Amendment
rights in the past, we will find a solution. We will help those
individuals.
Right now, we are focused on making sure that others have the ability
to a fair, open hearing where they can present their side of the story
before they are denied their constitutional rights.
My friend and colleague from Florida (Mr. Hastings) also talks about
the fact that H.R. 1259 will do more harm than good; that somehow
disciplining those who are delivering poor services to our veterans is
unfair to unions. The truth is that 35 percent of the VA's workforce is
made up of veterans.
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But the fact is that veteran employees believe employees that are not
meeting acceptable standards for their fellow veterans should be
removed, period, regardless of their service while on Active Duty.
Are opponents of removing poor-performing employees and those whose
misconduct warrant removal saying that a veteran employee who cannot do
the job or is guilty of misconduct be kept on the job?
On the contrary, veterans know that the strictest accountability
standards apply to them during their military service, and millions of
hardworking Americans in the private sector do not enjoy anything close
to the protections enjoyed by Federal employees.
The only employees who need to be concerned with reasonable reform
that would be made by this legislation are those who aren't doing their
jobs on behalf of the veterans who they serve.
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Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr.
Mast).
Mr. MAST. Mr. Speaker, I want to start by saying this. I was prompted
to say this by the remarks from my colleague from Florida just now.
I believe that there is absolutely nothing that is common sense about
preventing those who defend America from having the opportunity to
defend themselves. There is no common sense in that whatsoever.
I listened to your emotional remarks here, and I listened as you gave
zero specifics on the mental illness that my colleague specifically
talked about being worried about.
Specifically, what mental illnesses is it that had you concerned?
I would encourage you to have the courage to be specific and say
exactly what it is that you mean so that there is no confusion.
Now, the true intent of my remarks today are to talk about my
favorite part of going to the VA, and that is sitting next to my fellow
veterans when I sit down at one of the clinics at my local VA hospital.
Whether it is a marine from Iraq, whether it is a sailor from World War
II, a soldier from Vietnam, an airman from Korea, whenever we sit down
next to each other, there is a camaraderie that exists immediately.
One of the first things that is said is usually some sort of off-
topic joke about the branch that the other person comes from. It is
that camaraderie of shared service that unites us in a way that half a
century of age can't divide. I can tell you, we have common
experiences, and we have common healthcare challenges as well.
It is important for veterans to come together and for the VA to
establish and maintain expertise in providing for our unique healthcare
needs. Unfortunately, too many VA facilities have lost their hunger to
provide care. They have lost the passion to meet the individual needs
of veterans, and it has become way too much of a rarity that a
veteran's needs are truly met when they enter the VA facility.
You cobble that together with enough bad experiences from
underperforming employees, and it forces veterans to ask: Where else
can I go for my care?
That is why I am excited to see the House bring forward two bills
this week that get at the crux of the matter: authority to hire the
best employees and the ability to remove underperforming employees.
Today we will debate the VA Accountability First Act. We will provide
the VA Secretary the flexibility to either remove, demote, or suspend
an employee for misconduct. It can be very little that is more
important to go on at the VA.
Tomorrow we will debate H.R. 1367 that will bolster the Secretary's
situational awareness to recruit and retain the very best employees.
You know, when a veteran like myself or my peers goes to the VA, we
are not given a choice in our provider. We go there, and they look at a
person like me and they say: Your last name is Mast. We are going to
assign you to Alpha clinic. This is your provider, and there is no
choice.
The veterans deserve nothing less than the kind of care and
accountability that these bills endeavor to provide.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, I yield the gentleman an additional 2 minutes.
Mr. MAST. Mr. Speaker, I encourage my colleagues to vote for this
rule and to bring each of these bills to the floor.
Mr. HASTINGS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I have great respect for my colleague whose district abuts a portion
of my district in Florida. I want to make it very clear that it is
important to listen to what a person says. My colleague just commented
that I did not offer the specifics with reference to persons who
suffered some form of mental illness; and he said that, in my
passionate remarks, I failed to provide those specifics.
Let me go back and read you my remarks again. A Department of
Veterans Affairs report provided to Congress in 2015 revealed that
nearly 20,000 veterans diagnosed with schizophrenia, 15,000 diagnosed
with post-traumatic stress disorder, and thousands more diagnosed with
dementia, Alzheimer's, and serious depression.
Is that specific enough for you, or do I need to add additional
reasons?
Evidently my colleague didn't hear that.
Mr. MAST. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. HASTINGS. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. MAST. I appreciate that. When I get to speaking about the
specifics of this matter--and you used a very broad, general term, like
the term ``post-traumatic stress disorder.'' That is something that is,
unfortunately, layered upon nearly every veteran that exits service
today. So to go out there and have this ability to put people into this
NICS, who have this sort of label placed upon them, that is exactly the
crux of this that I am getting to that is not specific enough. It does
not point to what is specifically an issue that anybody is facing.
Mr. HASTINGS. Reclaiming my time, is schizophrenia one of those
things that isn't specific enough for you?
Mr. MAST. If the gentleman would yield, that is certainly an issue
that we can point to. But when you talk about post-traumatic stress and
so many other issues that are diagnosed by the Department of Veterans
Affairs----
Mr. HASTINGS. Reclaiming my time, that is what you should have said
rather than say that I didn't offer specifics, and I just want to make
that very clear to you.
I don't think that people with diagnosis of schizophrenia, that have
been allowed--that their fiduciaries have determined that their mental
illness allows that they should not get a gun, I suggest to you and to
anybody that those persons that have a gun--and I made the distinction.
You evidently didn't hear that part either. I made the distinction
about the Second Amendment and how much I support it and I support
veterans, and I support veterans' rights to defend themselves. But I
don't support crazy people having guns, whether they are veterans or
not, and it is just that simple.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Members of both sides of the aisle are
reminded to address their remarks to the Chair.
Mr. HASTINGS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman
from California (Mr. Takano), the vice chair of the Veterans' Affairs
Committee.
Mr. TAKANO. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Florida for
yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the rule. In its current form,
H.R. 1181 would endanger veterans in crisis and serve as another
obstacle to addressing the crisis of veteran suicide.
We had hoped to introduce amendments which would protect veterans'
rights while ensuring their safety. By bringing this bill to the floor
under a closed rule, the majority has prevented us from doing so, from
considering other possibilities to come together in a bipartisan
fashion.
There are changes that could be made to this legislation to ensure
that it is good public policy. For instance, we could consider a
streamlined appeals process that would allow veterans erroneously
flagged by the background check system to have their status changed.
I do acknowledge the concern of the gentleman from Florida that
people with PTSD on this list may have been inappropriately flagged to
be on this list, and we could have discussed a streamlined process. We
could conduct a study of the VA's existing practices for submitting
records of veterans to the background check system.
But rather than subject that whole list to being dismantled and
freeing people that should not be free to have weapons--crazy people
from having weapons--at the very least, we should understand the impact
this change would have on veteran suicide, as Ms. Esty suggested when
she tried to offer an amendment to the Rules Committee last night to
require a study into the number of veterans who have committed suicide
by firearm, who should have been prevented from accessing a firearm
under current policies.
I do wish, Mr. Speaker, to dispute the gentleman from Colorado's
contention that this is only about going forward, that it affects going
forward. I maintain there is considerable concern that this will affect
those that exist on the list currently.
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These are sensible ideas that I offered, that we could have
considered instead of being forced to vote on the legislation we have
now. We could come together under unanimity to solve this issue.
But under this rule, we are forced to vote only on legislation that
would make veterans and their communities less safe. Accordingly, I
call on my colleagues to oppose this rule.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
My friend from Florida talked about the specificity that he used in
describing the conditions of these veterans, but that is not what the
rule says.
What the rule says, Mr. Speaker, is that if someone--if a veteran
needs a fiduciary, they will be denied the ability to own, possess,
purchase a firearm. It doesn't say if they are schizophrenic. It
doesn't say if they have PTSD. It doesn't say if they have depression,
and if they have PTSD or depression that is somehow linked to further
violent behavior. It doesn't say that.
What it says is, if you can't balance your bank account, you can't
have a gun to protect yourself. There is no relationship between those
two.
Now, if the gentleman from Florida would go to the Veterans
Administration and talk to them about the need to link that finding of
a fiduciary with future violent behavior, we may not be here today.
But so many people have been trapped in this overbroad rule that we
are going to make sure that those people that have a fiduciary and are
listed by the VA have a due process right to show that they are
nonviolent; that they don't have a propensity to commit a crime with a
weapon; that they are not a harm to themselves or to others.
And if the VA or an independent judicial officer finds that they are,
then yes, list them on the NICS report, but give them that due process
right. That is where the majority believes this rule created during the
Clinton administration and by the Veterans Administration falls.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr.
Mast).
Mr. MAST. Mr. Speaker, I take issue with a term that was thrown
around far too loosely twice in just the last couple of minutes by my
colleagues from the other side of the aisle here where each of them
used the term ``crazy.'' They used the term ``crazy'' twice. I take
serious issue with that.
This is the reality: our servicemembers that endeavor onto the
battlefield, they face snipers that are targeting them. They face
mortars being dropped on their head. They face improvised explosive
devices like the ones that took my legs and so many of my friends.
There are aviators that fly beyond the lines of our enemy. They face
the threat of being shot down or captured. There are marines, there are
sailors. And all of us--you know, the reality is we do come home with
demons that are associated with a life that is surrounded by death.
That is certainly the truth.
But to say for one moment that that is something that allows the term
``crazy'' to be layered upon any one of these heroes that goes out
there and serves in defense of this country, that goes out there and
has the willingness to have their uniform stained with the blood of
their friends, I find that to be a disgusting use of that word. I
resent the fact that it has been done, Mr. Speaker, and I would
respectfully ask that there be an apology made to those that put on the
uniform and go out and defend this country on behalf of every single
American.
Mr. HASTINGS. Mr. Speaker, I would urge my friend from Colorado to
know that I have no additional speakers and I am prepared to close if
he is prepared to close.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, may I inquire how much time I have remaining?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Colorado has 17\3/4\
minutes remaining.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to my friend from Georgia
(Mr. Collins).
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Mr. COLLINS of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate my colleague from
the Rules Committee yielding me time.
I can't be in any more agreement with my friend from Florida just
now. We talked about this actually in the Rules Committee yesterday. If
you look at the actual language in the rule, it gets down to the fact
that you are adjudicated a mental defective. That is language that has
to be stopped in this. I know my friend from the Rules Committee, and
we serve on Judiciary together, we are going to actually look into
this. Because if we really want to start talking about veterans and
suicide, then we need to start addressing it head-on in real terms and
in real ways with the issues that they face and not simply saying that
we are going to take a right away.
It is amazing to me that we are discussing this issue. What about the
other amendments? Well, we are just going to do the Second Amendment.
In fact, what is happening right now among many, and for those who
need to understand this, many of our VA colleagues who want to go to
the Veterans Administration, have stopped going. If we want to actually
worry about some of this stuff that they are worrying about with their
mental health, then we need to take impediments away from them getting
help, to let them know that just because they have problems that they
can't process, getting help from the VA is something that should not be
predicated on a fiduciary or somebody helping them.
If they have got real issues, then follow the law. Follow the law.
Adjudicate this. Don't give just simple carte blanche to say: We are
going to take this away, and then, oh, by the way, go fix it yourself.
I said yesterday in the Rules Committee: I am still in the Air Force.
I am an attorney and a chaplain. I served in Iraq. I have delivered
these death notifications. I have counseled those who have called
saying: I don't find a reason to live, Chaplain.
When we begin to throw around loosely these terms as we did yesterday
in committee, when we send letters that say: if you vote for this, then
you are actually making it free and easier--I think was the wording--to
get guns to veterans. This is why this problem breaks down. This is why
we use veterans as pawns. If you are against this, vote ``no,'' but
don't use the cover of saying that you are helping people on suicide.
Get to the issues.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, I yield the gentleman an additional 2 minutes.
Mr. COLLINS of Georgia. When we understand this, I understand the
discussions, and I understand the issues we have here, but not with
this. Make your vote. But don't cloak it. Don't call it crazy people.
Congressman Mast, that ain't what they are.
They are hurting. They need help. If this is an impediment to that,
then vote ``yes.'' If you want to vote ``no,'' fine, vote ``no.'' But
at least get the issue right.
The issue is that the Veterans Affairs is saying: We are going to
take your constitutional right away without adjudication and make you
do it on your own because we have an opinion about this that we think
could happen because you have got a fiduciary, you can't do it on your
own.
When we understand what is really at the heart of this, I would
encourage all to say: you know, the veterans, you just overstepped your
bounds here. We are going to put this back where it needs to be, and
then we are going to get on to the real issues of veterans who are
needing help.
I know my Florida appreciates that. We have talked about it before.
These veterans need help. Our VA needs help. Our hospitals need help.
The money and time that are spent to help these folks when they come
back--they are not crazy, they are not defective. They are just people
who have been through a tough time, and they need a little kindness,
compassion, and help.
They are not broken. I broke my leg. I stepped on a piece of glass,
and I cut my achilles. That is what happened to me. But if my mind--
everybody said: Your cast looks interesting. Nobody talks about it,
though, if I came home to say: I am depressed. I have an issue.
We start backing away. We have got to break that in our country.
Mental health has got to be a priority--this--to be against this and
claim what we are claiming here on the floor is wrong.
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Mr. HASTINGS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, my friend that sits on the Rules Committee, my colleague
from Georgia, correctly speaks to this issue and its need to go to the
Judiciary Committee or other committees to ensure that veterans have
the appropriate adjudication.
I don't know where he or my colleague from Florida would place
schizophrenia. I am not a mental health expert, but I have spent a good
portion of my career here in Congress dealing with issues and trying to
address issues of mental health, be it veterans or not.
Mr. Speaker, if we defeat the previous question, I am going to offer
an amendment to the rule to bring up H.R. 696, Representative
Schrader's bill to exempt the Department of Veterans Affairs from
Donald John Trump's hiring freeze. As we have already discussed, my
amendment to allow the VA Secretary to fill vacant positions,
regardless of whether they were vacated before or after the hiring
freeze, was blocked last night in the Rules Committee.
There are nearly 47,000 vacant positions within the VA, and we should
not be limiting the VA's authority to fill these positions, especially
as we continue to work towards reducing patient wait times.
On a bipartisan basis, Members of both the House and Senate have
requested that the VA be exempt from the hiring freeze. Mr. Speaker,
this is commonsense legislation to ensure that the VA can recruit and
hire qualified staff to meet the needs of our veterans.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of my
amendment in the Record, along with extraneous material, immediately
prior to the vote on the previous question.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Florida?
There was no objection.
Mr. HASTINGS. Mr. Speaker, at the end of the day, we are gathered
here, once again, to debate the same old, tired, irresponsible, and
morally bankrupt policies championed by my friends across the aisle,
policies that will, while we face a suicide epidemic among those
servicemembers who have so bravely served this country, make it easier
for them to take their own lives by increasing their access to guns.
That may be good policy for the powerful gun lobby and gun
manufacturers, but it is horrendous policy for the American people.
We have before us legislation that will gut workers' rights for VA
employees while also making it easier to reprimand those who are brave
enough to speak out against the ills they see occurring at the VA--ills
that have and will continue to undermine the quality of service our
veterans are able to receive.
All of this moral ineptitude is set against the backdrop of a
healthcare plan recently put forth by Republicans that will raise the
number of uninsured in this country to 24 million in under 10 years.
This includes 14 million folks being unceremoniously kicked off of
Medicaid and 7 million Americans kicked off of the health insurance
plans they receive through their employers.
This is a plan that will increase premiums for individual
policyholders by up to 29 percent. This is a plan that will increase,
particularly for older Americans, out-of-pocket healthcare expenses.
Mr. Speaker, in the final analysis, this is no plan at all but rather
a shameful and cynical massive giveaway to the ultrawealthy at the
expense of the middle class that will result in hardworking Americans
paying far more for far, far less.
Mr. Speaker, I have been in this institution 25 years, and I have
been on this Earth 80 years. I have seen an awful lot of trauma during
that period of time. I served as a State court judge and had the
responsibility of Baker Acting--it is called in Florida--people to
mental institutions. I have established fiduciaries for people who were
unable to take care of themselves. I worked actively when we had mental
health hospitals to keep those mental health hospitals open.
I would say to you, Mr. Speaker, so that you can say to the gentleman
who asked that I apologize, that I apologize for nothing having to do
with any remarks that I made within the confines of what is allowed in
this institution. The simple fact of the matter is I used the term
``crazy,'' and I had reference to schizophrenia. Now, it may very well
be that these are not broken people, it is that they are brave people
who came home with problems. But crazy is crazy, and I would say that
until the day I die.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I want to draw your attention and the attention of my
colleague from Florida to a letter dated January 26, 2017, from the
chairman of the Committee on Veterans' Affairs, U.S. House of
Representatives, Representative Roe, and the chairman of the Committee
on Veterans' Affairs, U.S. Senate, Chairman Isakson, to the President
in which they asked for various positions to be exempted from the
President's executive order concerning a hiring freeze.
The next day, January 27, the Acting Secretary issued a memorandum
under the authority of that Presidential memorandum, executive order,
granting the chairman's request and exempting various positions.
I would exceed my time limitations, Mr. Speaker, if I were to read
all of these. But let me assure you there are dozens and dozens of
positions at the Veterans Administration that have been exempted from
the President's hiring freeze. They include social worker, science lab
technician, practical nurse, nursing assistant, dietician,
nutritionist, occupational therapist, on and on and on. And the need
for the amendment that the gentleman presents is unnecessary.
I would also like to talk very briefly about the gentleman's argument
that somehow those at the Veterans Administration are being harmed, and
we are attacking a union in some way rather than trying to deal with
real situations and improving the quality of care at the VA.
I want to give a few examples of VA employees and just the time that
it took to remove people. A VA employee was a willing participant in an
armed robbery several years ago, and after a lengthy legal and
administrative battle where the employee was supported by the Public
Employees Union, the employee was reinstated in their previous position
without any discipline.
A VA nurse showed up to work intoxicated and participated in a
veteran's surgery while under the influence of alcohol. Although the
employee eventually resigned, to date, no other employees were
disciplined for allowing the employee to participate in the veteran's
surgery.
In 2013, a vocational rehab specialist out of the Central Alabama
Veterans Health Care System crashed a government car, and a passenger
ended up dying. He was later indicted for a DUI. The VA confirmed that
the employee was not removed from payroll until January of this year--
almost 4 years.
In 2014, a VA employee at the Central Alabama Veterans Health Care
System took a veteran who was a recovering drug addict to a crack house
where he purchased illegal drugs for the veteran, as well as purchased
a prostitute for him, though the employee was still employed at the VA
well over a year later after the incident until they were finally able
to remove him.
Mr. Speaker, I ask my colleagues to stand up now for our veterans.
They have performed their duty, and it is time for us to perform for
them.
Our duty is to take care of them. A ``yes'' vote restores their
Constitutional rights and improves their quality of care.
I ask my colleagues to vote ``yes'' on this resolution, vote ``yes''
on the underlying bill. I thank Chairman Roe and Representative
Wenstrup for bringing these bills before us.
The material previously referred to by Mr. Hastings is as follows:
An Amendment to H. Res. 198 Offered by Mr. Hastings
At the end of the resolution, add the following new
sections:
Sec. 4. Immediately upon adoption of this resolution the
Speaker shall, pursuant to clause 2(b) of rule XVIII, declare
the House resolved into the Committee of the Whole House on
the state of the Union for consideration of the bill (H.R.
696) to prohibit any hiring freeze from affecting the
Department of Veterans Affairs. All points of order against
consideration of the bill are waived.
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General debate shall be confined to the bill and shall not
exceed one hour equally divided and controlled by the chair
and ranking minority member of the Committee on Oversight and
Government Reform. After general debate the bill shall be
considered for amendment under the five-minute rule. All
points of order against provisions in the bill are waived. At
the conclusion of consideration of the bill for amendment the
Committee shall rise and report the bill to the House with
such amendments as may have been adopted. The previous
question shall be considered as ordered on the bill and
amendments thereto to final passage without intervening
motion except one motion to recommit with or without
instructions. If the Committee of the Whole rises and reports
that it has come to no resolution on the bill, then on the
next legislative day the House shall, immediately after the
third daily order of business under clause 1 of rule XIV,
resolve into the Committee of the Whole for further
consideration of the bill.
Sec. 5. Clause 1(c) of rule XIX shall not apply to the
consideration of H.R. 696.
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The Vote on the Previous Question: What It Really Means
This vote, the vote on whether to order the previous
question on a special rule, is not merely a procedural vote.
A vote against ordering the previous question is a vote
against the Republican majority agenda and a vote to allow
the Democratic minority to offer an alternative plan. It is a
vote about what the House should be debating.
Mr. Clarence Cannon's Precedents of the House of
Representatives (VI, 308-311), describes the vote on the
previous question on the rule as ``a motion to direct or
control the consideration of the subject before the House
being made by the Member in charge.'' To defeat the previous
question is to give the opposition a chance to decide the
subject before the House. Cannon cites the Speaker's ruling
of January 13, 1920, to the effect that ``the refusal of the
House to sustain the demand for the previous question passes
the control of the resolution to the opposition'' in order to
offer an amendment. On March 15, 1909, a member of the
majority party offered a rule resolution. The House defeated
the previous question and a member of the opposition rose to
a parliamentary inquiry, asking who was entitled to
recognition. Speaker Joseph G. Cannon (R-Illinois) said:
``The previous question having been refused, the gentleman
from New York, Mr. Fitzgerald, who had asked the gentleman to
yield to him for an amendment, is entitled to the first
recognition.''
The Republican majority may say ``the vote on the previous
question is simply a vote on whether to proceed to an
immediate vote on adopting the resolution . . . [and] has no
substantive legislative or policy implications whatsoever.''
But that is not what they have always said. Listen to the
Republican Leadership Manual on the Legislative Process in
the United States House of Representatives, (6th edition,
page 135). Here's how the Republicans describe the previous
question vote in their own manual: ``Although it is generally
not possible to amend the rule because the majority Member
controlling the time will not yield for the purpose of
offering an amendment, the same result may be achieved by
voting down the previous question on the rule. . . . When the
motion for the previous question is defeated, control of the
time passes to the Member who led the opposition to ordering
the previous question. That Member, because he then controls
the time, may offer an amendment to the rule, or yield for
the purpose of amendment.''
In Deschler's Procedure in the U.S. House of
Representatives, the subchapter titled ``Amending Special
Rules'' states: ``a refusal to order the previous question on
such a rule [a special rule reported from the Committee on
Rules] opens the resolution to amendment and further
debate.'' (Chapter 21, section 21.2) Section 21.3 continues:
``Upon rejection of the motion for the previous question on a
resolution reported from the Committee on Rules, control
shifts to the Member leading the opposition to the previous
question, who may offer a proper amendment or motion and who
controls the time for debate thereon.''
Clearly, the vote on the previous question on a rule does
have substantive policy implications. It is one of the only
available tools for those who oppose the Republican
majority's agenda and allows those with alternative views the
opportunity to offer an alternative plan.
Mr. BUCK. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I
move the previous question on the resolution.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on ordering the previous
question.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. HASTINGS. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX, further
proceedings on this question will be postponed.
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