[Congressional Record Volume 162, Number 62 (Thursday, April 21, 2016)]
[House]
[Pages H1912-H1914]
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LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM
(Mr. HOYER asked and was given permission to address the House for 1
minute.)
Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from California (Mr.
McCarthy) for the purposes of inquiring of the majority leader the
schedule for the week to come.
(Mr. McCARTHY asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. McCARTHY. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, on Monday, no votes are expected in the House. On
Tuesday, the House will meet at noon for morning-hour and 2 p.m. for
legislative business. Votes will be postponed until 6:30 p.m. On
Wednesday and Thursday, the House will meet at 10 a.m. for morning-hour
and noon for legislative business. On Friday, the House will meet at
9:00 a.m. for legislative business.
Mr. Speaker, the House will consider a number of suspensions next
week, a complete list of which will be announced by close of business
tomorrow.
Mr. Speaker, the House will also consider H.R. 4498, the Helping
Angels Lead Our Startups Act, sponsored by Representative Steve Chabot.
This bill extends the role of angel investing in assisting start-up
businesses to acquire the financing needed to grow, innovate, and
create jobs.
The House will also consider H.R. 4901, the Scholarship for
Opportunity and Results Reauthorization Act, sponsored by
Representative Jason Chaffetz. This bill is essential to improving
education outcomes for low-income students in the District of Columbia.
Mr. Speaker, the House will consider H.J. Res. 88, sponsored by
Representative Phil Roe, which disapproves of the rules submitted by
the Department of Labor relating to the definition of the term
``fiduciary.'' This ill-advised rule will result in thousands of
individuals being dropped by their financial advisers and unable to
receive sound financial advice.
Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for that information as
to the schedule. As I am sure he knows, I will want to ask him some
questions about things that are not yet scheduled and, of course, the
next week we will take a recess.
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As the gentleman knows, the budget was passed out of the Budget
Committee last month. We understand, of course, obviously, the
Appropriations Committee is proceeding to mark up bills notwithstanding
the fact that the budget has not been passed.
We are not sure exactly what the allocations for each subcommittee
are going to be because, apparently, there has been no 302(b)
allocation, which is the allocation to the 12 subcommittees.
It is going to be hard for us to tell exactly how much money is left
if, in fact, appropriations bills are brought to the floor without
knowing fully the distribution of funds for both defense and domestic
priorities.
First, let me ask the gentleman: Does the gentleman expect the budget
to be brought to the floor prior to the bringing of appropriations
bills to the floor?
I yield to my friend.
Mr. McCARTHY. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
We will continue to work through the budget process, and I will
update the Members once there is more information.
Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for the depth of that information.
We do have a serious problem. And I want to tell my friend, the
majority leader, as someone who had served on the Appropriations
Committee for 23 years, obviously, one of the important facts to know
is how much will be allocated for each one of the 12 subcommittees so
you can make judgments, as bills come to the floor or as they come to
full committee, about whether the funding levels for those are
appropriate or whether there ought to be other priorities that ought to
be brought to the floor.
I appreciate the gentleman's response. I know that the Speaker has
indicated that doing a budget is absolutely the responsible thing to
do, that that is the regular order to do, and I know the budget has
passed out of the committee. So I am wondering: What is holding the
budget up, Mr. Leader? Why aren't we considering it?
I yield to my friend.
Mr. McCARTHY. I thank the gentleman for yielding and asking again.
As for the schedule, we are not scheduled for next week. We continue
to work through. We think the budget is very important. When we have it
scheduled, I will notify.
Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman, I suppose, for that additional
information.
Of course, it goes without saying that it is not scheduled next week,
and we still don't have the knowledge that I think is necessary for us
to have before you bring the appropriations bills to the floor. In
having said that, I understand the gentleman's answer.
There are three items that I have brought up before, Mr. Leader, that
we think are critical items to be brought sooner rather than later that
we need to deal with.
First, I want to reiterate what I said last week. I appreciate the
majority leader's and I appreciate the Speaker's action and the
chairman of the committee, Mr. Bishop, in working with Treasury and
with our side of the aisle to try to get a bill that we can agree on--
that can enjoy bipartisan support--that will address the crisis that
confronts the American citizens who live in Puerto Rico.
I also want to thank the gentleman--we had a meeting in his office--
in that he and I shared the view that we ought to have a bill that is
simple and straightforward so that we can forge a bipartisan agreement
and get this bill done.
The Speaker has set May 1 as the deadline. It would appear that we
are not going to meet that deadline. And we did not meet the March 31
deadline. But I know we had a meeting yesterday with our staffs. It was
a positive meeting, and I hope it will lead to a productive meeting as
well.
I would like to yield to my friend to see if the gentleman has any
comments about where we stand on our moving forward on a bill to
address the fiscal crisis in Puerto Rico.
I yield to my friend.
Mr. McCARTHY. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Yes, the gentleman is correct in that we have been working together,
especially with the Natural Resources Committee, on the proposal.
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I appreciate the gentleman's commitment as well in making sure that
we produce a bill that has solid financial footing and no financial
bailout, which the work we are doing right now does not.
As the gentleman knows, the discussions are ongoing, and part of the
challenge of finishing it is the Treasury Department. The Treasury
Department still had some concerns.
I know there were some meetings this week, and I know there were
Members on your side of the aisle who did not feel comfortable in
moving forward until the Treasury Department had finished some of those
negotiations.
But we look forward to getting the bill finished and moving it
forward on a bipartisan basis, a bill that has no bailout, but that
meets the needs with what is going on in Puerto Rico.
Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman.
I would reiterate what he and I both stated last week, which is that,
clearly, this is not a bailout. There is no money contemplated that is
going to Puerto Rico, and there is no extension of U.S. credit backing
from the United States to Puerto Rico.
What it is, as the gentleman knows, is just setting up a process for
a restructuring of debt that everyone knows cannot be paid, and there
needs to be some sort of rational way that Puerto Rico can work itself
to both repay that which it can repay while, at the same time, maintain
the absolutely essential services of education, health care, and public
safety for the American citizens who live in Puerto Rico. So I would
hope that we would continue to work on that.
Again, the majority leader's staff and my staff, Treasury, and Mr.
Bishop's staff, the leader's staff and Mr. Ryan's staff all have been
working towards that end, and I appreciate that.
But I think we all feel a sense of urgency. Even if we could work it
out over the weekend or before we end next week, if we could bring it
to the floor next week, if we had an agreement, I think that would be a
good thing for us to do. I don't know whether it is possible--I hope it
is possible--but I look forward to working with the majority leader
towards that end.
There are two other items, as you know, that I have mentioned in the
past.
Zika. There was a very compelling editorial in The Washington Post
today about Zika. The administration has asked for $1.9 billion to
address that crisis, which, clearly, almost every week, the CDC says is
a growing one, with more exposure, with more of the United States'
mainland being implicated as being at risk.
In addition to that, of course, Ebola continues to be a continuing
health challenge both in Africa and in this country, but mainly in
Africa. As you know, we appropriated money.
Mr. Rogers and the Appropriations Committee and the gentleman said:
Look, we can take some of that money and move it over to the Zika
effort.
The problem with that, Mr. Leader, as I think you have heard me say
before, is that Ebola continues to be a crisis.
Is there any expectation that we could bring a supplemental
appropriations bill for this emergency that confronts the health of our
people here, in Puerto Rico, in the Caribbean, and, frankly, in other
parts of the world? Is there any chance of bringing a supplemental to
the floor to address both of those?
In addition, Flint continues to be on bottled water because they have
not yet been provided with a water system that works for their people.
So those three items, in addition to Puerto Rico, I think are
compelling, timely issues for us to address.
Will the gentleman give me any additional information as to when that
might occur?
I yield to my friend.
Mr. McCARTHY. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
I want to take the opportunity to thank the gentleman for working
with us on Zika.
As he knows, I approached him early on to make sure we dealt with
this in a bipartisan manner. As to any threat, we want to make sure it
is not a partisan issue.
As the gentleman knows, there was somewhere around $2 billion in
unobligated Ebola money. One of the ideas, especially when the
administration had requested money, was to have time to go through and
ask the question, and many of those questions have not been answered
yet.
We wanted to make sure no funding problems would happen. We are proud
of the administration for its being able to take our idea and move
almost $600 million into Zika as we go forward. That will take us quite
a ways into this fiscal year.
We are continuing to look at and to ask questions. I have a whole
list here of questions that have been asked from a standpoint of an
updated spending plan from HHS, which still hasn't been planned, of
where they go, of what activities will the funds carry out, of how much
funding do the agencies anticipate needing in 2016.
I mean, as the gentleman knows, never should we write a blank check,
but never should we turn a blind eye to a problem. I am proud of the
fact that we have not and that we have responsibly made sure that close
to $600 million is used right now.
We have asked the questions of what we need to go forward. I know the
Appropriations Committee is continuing to work on that. We have the
appropriations process going through, and that will probably be the
ideal time to deal with it and anything going any further because we
would have the questions answered and the ability to fund it.
Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for his comments.
Let me make a couple of observations.
I hear there is some discussion about the appropriations process. As
the gentleman well knows, the appropriations process hasn't done too
well lately.
Forgetting about who is to blame or who is not to blame, the
appropriations process, essentially, has not worked, as the gentleman
knows. Of course, last year, as we had done the year before, we passed
an omnibus and didn't pass the appropriations bills.
My view is we have an emergency. It is doubtful that appropriations
bills are going to get done in time. My own supposition is we are going
to have a CR in September.
We have, really, 40 days left between now, I think, and the August
break of legislative days. It is going to be problematic, at best, to
get appropriations bills done by October 1, much less to respond to an
emergency, which is why we believe that a supplemental, really, is
called for.
We have two emergencies that are ongoing and a third in Flint,
Michigan, and we believe that we ought to respond to those long before
the possibility, much less the probability, of the appropriations bills
passing this House, the Senate, and being signed by the President.
Does the gentleman have any thoughts on that? Because, if you are
contemplating an appropriations process, Mr. Leader, with all due
respect, past history would tell us, over the last few years--again,
forgetting about who is to blame for it--the appropriations process
does not get done in a timely fashion.
I yield to my friend.
Mr. McCARTHY. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
As the gentleman knows, the Appropriations Committee has already
marked up three bills. The gentleman having served on Appropriations,
he also understands that that is where you get a lot of questions
answered, that that is where you get a lot of the good information from
both sides of the aisle.
There is close to $600 million for Zika right now. I have the same
concern that you have. That is why I am telling the administration and
the agencies that it would be very helpful if they would answer the
questions needed.
Where would this money go? There are so many from the perspective of:
Is Ebola no longer a public health risk? You have $2 billion,
unobligated, sitting in there that we could use.
If we want to solve the Zika problem, I think we should all work
together. I am looking for the administration to answer some questions.
I think that is the most responsible way to go about solving this
problem.
I haven't given up on the appropriations process. I think it is a
perfect opportunity, and I would think, for Members on both sides of
the aisle, maybe it would give them a little incentive, in knowing the
challenges that are out there for the American public, that this is the
process that was created. And we could all have input.
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One thing that we know, since this majority has taken over, is that
we have an open process in appropriations as well; so, anybody can
offer an amendment. I think that would be the best place to deal with
this.
I do have a very personal compassion in talking about water. I know
the situation that happened in Flint. I have lived with water problems
in California for quite some time. For the last three Congresses, I
have fought very hard to solve that for California.
Unfortunately, the other Chamber has done nothing. I have kids in the
Central Valley who do not have water, people who are on bottled water
they bring in, people who have portable water, where they have to come
in and bring the tanks.
We have lived this for quite some time; so, you will find, on this
side of the aisle, someone who is very compassionate about it and who
wants to deal with that water issue at the same time as well. I think
it would be appropriate.
Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for his comments and for his
concern, which I think is sincere, about California.
Let me say to him that I would certainly be open on this side of the
aisle, as, I am sure, my Members would be, to working with him to
address those issues.
It is not a question of Flint, per se, but it is a question of some
6,000 to 9,000 children who have been exposed immediately, and it is an
emergency now as they are not able to drink the water; they are
drinking bottled water.
My point is not that we ought not to address problems in California
or, very frankly, in Maryland or in Ohio or in Florida or wherever else
they may occur in league with the States and municipalities. Obviously,
this is a partnership, not just our responsibility.
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I would again reiterate, Zika and Ebola are both emergencies that
need to be dealt with now. I think the gentleman is absolutely correct
that we ought to know how much is needed, how it is going to be spent,
and what effect it will have.
I will tell you that one of my members in the whip meeting this
morning, Mr. Leader, said that her understanding from her local health
department was that their efforts with respect to Ebola and other
infectious diseases are being adversely affected by the fact that that
$589 million, which didn't just come out of the air, was transferred,
as you pointed out and as I pointed out, to the Zika response. It was
money that was--not obligated--planned to be spent in communities and
in other areas to effect a solution to the challenge that confronts us.
So it is not just as if that $589 million didn't have a purpose when
we originally appropriated it. The gentleman supported it and I support
it, so we allocated that money. I know the Appropriations Committee
supported it. And I presume, as the gentleman points out, they had
hearings to know exactly the answers to the questions. But we will work
with you on getting answers to those questions from the administration.
We would urge that, within the next few weeks, we have a supplemental
on the floor, having those questions answered and being confident that
the money is going to be spent, but knowing full well that people's
health is at risk in this country. We have an empathy and a concern
about that and want to respond to it. So I would hope that we could
move it before the appropriations process because I think,
unfortunately, the experience is, under all the parties that have been
in control of this House over the years, that sometimes it happens
slower than this emergency requires.
I yield back the balance of my time.
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