[Congressional Record Volume 161, Number 143 (Thursday, October 1, 2015)]
[House]
[Pages H6768-H6778]
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CONFERENCE REPORT ON H.R. 1735, NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR
FISCAL YEAR 2016
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 449, I call
up the conference report on the bill (H.R. 1735) to authorize
appropriations for fiscal year 2016 for military activities of the
Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense
activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel
strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes, and ask for its
immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to House Resolution 449, the
conference report is considered read.
(For conference report and statement, see proceedings of the House of
September 29, 2015, at page H6337.)
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Texas (Mr. Thornberry)
and the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Smith) each will control 30
minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Texas.
General Leave
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members
may have 5 legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks
and insert extraneous material on the conference report to accompany
H.R. 1735.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Texas?
There was no objection.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 5 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, the first and most important thing I can say today is
that this conference report is good for the troops and it is good for
the country, and nothing that I or anybody else is going to say in this
next hour is going to be more important than that one basic
proposition.
Now, we may hear a variety of excuses, ifs, ands and buts about this,
that or the other thing, and I certainly don't agree with every
provision in this conference report.
But in pulling this bill together, I had to put aside personal
preferences and party considerations and other things because getting a
bill passed and enacted that is good for the troops and good for the
country is more important than anything else.
The second point I want to make is that this bill is the product of
work from Members from both sides of the aisle and both sides of the
Capitol. About half of the amendments that were adopted in committee
and on the floor were from Democratic Members.
Democratic conferees played a substantial role in shaping this final
conference report. And if you look at the
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substance of what is in the bill, you can see major contributions from
both sides.
As a matter of fact, we hear a lot these days about regular order.
Well, this bill went through regular order through the committee, with
211 amendments that were adopted on the floor, when 131 amendments were
adopted through a regular conference, with a Senate-passed bill for the
first time in years, and now it is back here for approval.
So after going through regular order and all that that entails, if
there is still partisan opposition, it leads some to ask why. Why
bother?
The third point I want to make, Mr. Speaker, is just a reminder to
Members that this is a dangerous world, and it is getting more
dangerous by the minute. Just look at the headlines that are in today's
papers.
Russia has conducted airstrikes in Syria not against ISIS, but
against the moderate opposition forces, and Russia is telling us, the
United States, when and where we can fly our airplanes in Syria.
Meanwhile, the Palestinians have decided they are going to back away
from all the agreements that they have with Israel.
Meanwhile, the Taliban is on the move in Afghanistan, and U.S.
American troops are sent in to help turn the tide. That doesn't even
count the things that are happening in Ukraine, North Korea, Iran,
China building islands out in the Pacific.
So the point of that is that this is no time for political games.
This is the time to come together and pass a bill that helps provide
for the country's security. I think that is exactly what this bill
does.
Mr. Speaker, this bill authorizes the exact amount of money that the
President requested for national defense. Now, we did not agree with
every single program request.
We made some different judgments, like preserving the A-10, and it is
being used today in the Middle East. We thought we needed not to retire
some of the ships that the President wanted to retire. So there were
some adjustments. But at the end of the day, the total is exactly the
amount the President asked for.
Now, some of those programs are under different labels. But, frankly,
whether you call it base funding, OCO funding, or pumpernickel--it
doesn't matter--it is money that goes to the troops.
If you are a U.S. soldier today on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan
or if you are a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine who are supporting
them from the United States or anywhere else, do you really care what
the label on the money is? What you care about is that the money to
help for provide your operation and maintenance is provided.
Of course, there are many other parts of this bill, Mr. Speaker:
acquisition reform, which is a significant first step to make sure the
taxpayers get more value for the money they spend; personnel reform,
including a new retirement system.
Today 83 percent of the people who serve in the military walk away
with no retirement at all. That changes under this bill.
So Members who are going to vote against this bill are going to tell
83 percent of the people who serve in the military: You are going to
continue to walk away with nothing.
This bill requires the DOD and VA to have a joint formulary for sleep
disorders, pain management, and mental health issues. We have been told
those are some of the most important steps we can take.
It takes additional steps to combat sexual assault. It authorizes
defensive weapons for Ukraine. It gives the President more tools to
battle ISIS in Iraq, to provide weapons directly to the Kurds and Sunni
forces.
We take steps to help defend this country against missiles.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself an additional 30 seconds.
We take steps in this bill to help defend our country against missile
attacks, which is particularly important now that Iran is going to have
a bunch more money to put into their missiles. But what we also do is
support the Israeli missile defense program with more money than was
asked for by the President.
So, Mr. Speaker, my point is this bill is good for the troops and it
is good for the country, and that ought to override everything else. It
should be passed today.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 5 minutes.
First of all, let me agree on two points with the chairman. There is
a lot that is good in this bill. There is no question about that. And I
want to thank the chairman for his leadership in making that happen.
I think the conference committee process was a model for how the
conference committee is supposed to go. The minority was included.
There was robust debate about a large number of issues. There were
points when we thought we couldn't resolve them and we did. And I think
there is a lot that is good in this bill.
I also think, without question, without debate, that this is a very,
very dangerous time for our country. No doubt about it. The chairman
laid out some of the challenges--there are many, many more--with what
is going on in the Middle East, certainly with Russia, with how we deal
with China. It is a very challenging time for national security, and we
need to be as strong as we possibly can.
But the one area where I disagree--and I think the chairman also
correctly states the fundamental question: Is this good for our
country? Is it good for our troops?
I don't believe that it is. It is not good for our country, and it is
not good for our troops. It does, in fact, matter where the money comes
from for a couple of reasons.
First of all, by the budget gimmick that the Budget Committee in the
House and the Senate put together, by using overseas contingency
operations funds for things that are not overseas contingency
operations funds--and this was all done as a dodge to get around doing
what we need to do, which is to lift the budget caps. Because, you see,
the OCO funding, for some reason is not counted as real money. It is
money. It is $38 billion.
But it enables the conservatives in the Republican Party to say that
they have maintained the budget caps while still spending $38 billion
more dollars, which is incredibly hypocritical and a terrible way to
budget.
But here are two reasons why that is bad for our country and bad for
our troops. Number one, it does not lift the budget caps. These budget
caps are in place, I believe, for another 9 or 8 years. Unless we lift
those budget caps, we are harming our troops and we are harming our
country.
This bill dodging that issue is precisely a national security issue
because, until we lift those caps, the Department of Defense has no
idea how much money they are going to have. All right?
OCO is one-time money. That is why it is not as good as lifting the
budget caps and giving the ability to do the 5- and 10-year planning
that they do, to do multi-year projects so that they can actually have
a plan going forward. That hurts national security.
The inability to raise the budget caps in this bill and
appropriations process is a critical blow to our troops and to our
national security.
The second reason this is important is because the OCO funding that
is in this bill is not going to happen; all right?
Part of it is because the President is going to veto it. But the
larger part of it is the Senate, as they have been unable to do for a
number of years, has not passed any appropriations bills because they
have rejected their own budget resolution.
So this $38 billion in OCO funding that we are going to hear about,
all this great money, is not going to happen because the appropriators
have said it is not going to happen.
So to have a national defense authorizing bill with $38 billion in
imaginary money is not good for our troops and it is not good for our
country. We need to lift the budget caps. We need to spend the money
that we need to spend on national security.
I will also say that there are other pieces of national security,
because the budget caps remain in place for the Department of Homeland
Security. They remain in place for the Department of Justice. They
remain in place for the Department of the Treasury, three
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agencies that play a critical role in national security for this
country, in tracking the money of terrorists, in protecting the
homeland, in making sure that we can try and convict terrorists when we
catch them.
So it is not good for the country to maintain those budget caps, and
that is what this bill does. It also relies on money that simply isn't
going to be there by having this imaginary OCO funding.
The second way I think this bill is not good for the troops and not
good for the country is something that the chairman alluded to, and
that is there are restrictions on what the Pentagon can do by way of
saving money.
The chairman mentioned the A-10, but there are a whole host of other
things the Pentagon has proposed as a way to save money and spend it
more efficiently, which, over the course of the last 2 or 3 years, we
have blocked almost every attempt, not every attempt.
On personnel savings, we have made changes in the retirement system.
We have made changes in the healthcare system. We saved no money for 10
years. For 10 years we saved no money in personnel costs while the
Pentagon tells us that, to be able to properly train our troops to get
them ready to go to battle, they need personnel cost savings.
If we don't give them that savings, last year, next year, this year,
in the future, they will not have the money for readiness that they
need to train and equip our troops. So that is not good for the
country.
There are a number of other provision areas--well, BRAC would be a
big one. We have seen our Army and Marine Corps shrink substantially.
We have seen our entire military shrink substantially. We haven't
closed any bases. That is not good for the country, to not find savings
there so that we can spend it on training our troops.
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The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. I yield myself an additional 30 seconds.
Over the course of the last 2 or 3 years, we have wound up
authorizing and appropriating here in Congress substantially less money
for readiness than the President, now, not this year, assuming you
imagine that this OCO money is actually going to appear.
The bulk of the OCO money makes up for the readiness gap. But, again,
that OCO money isn't going to be there. So I don't think this bill is
good for our country or good for our troops.
I do agree with the chairman that that is the criteria on which it
should be judged. But I urge a ``no'' vote.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from
Virginia (Mr. Forbes), the chair of the Subcommittee on Seapower and
Projection Forces.
Mr. FORBES. I thank the chairman for his hard work on this bill and
bringing it to the floor.
Mr. Speaker, as we listen today, one of the things that you really
won't hear outside of this room is anybody challenging the substance of
this bill. In fact, the opponents of this bill time and time again say
what a really good bill it is.
You won't hear anyone challenging the partisanship of this bill
because they will praise Chairman Thornberry for the bipartisan product
he has brought to the floor.
You won't hear them saying it is not the right amount of money in
here, that it is too much or too little, because it is almost exactly
the dollar amount that the President requested.
And you won't hear them say that they took this money from another
priority because they agree this is the amount of money that should be
spent on national defense.
The sole reason this bill is being opposed today and the sole reason
the President is going to veto it is because he wants to use national
defense as a bartering chip to get everything he wants for the IRS, the
EPA, and all of the other political agendas that he has.
Can you imagine, as Chairman Thornberry mentioned, how strong he
looks around the globe when he says America is going to be strong, yet
he vetoes the bill that authorizes the national defense of this country
and gives him almost everything he wants.
The President and the opponents of this bill also need to realize
that, if they defeat this bill, they will also defeat the construction
of three destroyers, two attack subs, three small surface combatants,
an amphibious ship, and they will delay the Air Force bomber and tanker
programs.
Mr. Speaker, it is time we stop using national defense as some kind
of political poker chip that can be gambled away. It is time we pass
this bill.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
First of all, I very specifically challenge the substance of this
bill. The OCO funding and the way it is funding is not good for
national security and not good for our troops. The substance of the
bill is precisely the issue and what it does for defense or does not do
for defense. That is why using the OCO funding is the exact wrong way
to go.
The other thing I will say is I am quite confident that we will get a
bill. Because that is the interesting thing about this argument.
As I have pointed out, the appropriators in the Senate have already
rejected the OCO funding. So this $38 billion that we have in here is
gone, done, poof, not going to happen. All right?
We are going to have to have a further debate about that in the
Appropriations Committee to actually fund any of the stuff that we are
talking about in this bill. I am confident that we will have that
debate. I wish I could be more confident that it will come out in a
positive way.
We need to lift the budget caps. We actually need to pass
appropriations bills and not shut the government down. We will see what
happens on December 11.
But when that happens, we can pass this bill. We are not going to not
pass the NDAA. We just need to pass it the right way so it actually
helps our country and actually funds the programs that we are talking
about.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, I think the gentleman from Washington really makes the
case when he talks about appropriations, OCO will not happen that way.
This is not an appropriations bill. He is exactly right. There is
more to do to figure all of that out. But that is not a reason to vote
against this bill. This bill can't fix what he is complaining about.
But it does do something. My point is why not do what it can.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from South Carolina
(Mr. Wilson), the distinguished chairman of the Subcommittee on
Emerging Threats and Capabilities.
Mr. WILSON of South Carolina. I thank the chairman.
Mr. Speaker, I am grateful to support the National Defense
Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2016 and also thank Chairman Mac
Thornberry for his leadership and hard work in bringing this important
bill and conference report to the floor with bipartisan support.
I appreciate serving as the chairman of the Emerging Threats and
Capabilities Subcommittee to oversee some of the most important aspects
of the Department of Defense. The subcommittee's portion of the bill
represents a comprehensive and bipartisan product. For this reason, it
is sad that some of our Democratic colleagues may vote against this
bill and, worse, that the President is threatening a veto.
Mr. Speaker, a veto or a vote against this bipartisan bill is a vote
against security for American families and a vote against every member
of the armed services and its military families.
It would be a vote against authorizations that would strengthen our
cyber defense capabilities. It would be a vote against counterterrorism
programs and resources for our special operations forces currently
fighting overseas. It would be a vote against reform efforts and
programs that would ensure America maintains superiority in all areas
of science and technology.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues across the aisle to support this
bipartisan National Defense Authorization Act and for the President to
sign this important piece of legislation that will soon cross his desk.
A vote or veto against this measure is, simply put, a vote
endangering American families and a vote against the American-dedicated
servicemembers who mean so much to our country.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. I yield myself 1 minute just to make two
quick points.
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Mr. Speaker, first of all, we will have a motion to recommit that
takes the money out of OCO and puts it into the base budget. So this is
a problem that our bill could fix.
We didn't have to buy into the OCO dodge and put money in there that
we knew wasn't going to exist. Our motion to recommit will make that
obvious. We will simply take it out of OCO. We will put it in the
base budget so that you can do long-term planning with it and so that
we actually get out from under the budget caps.
The second point that I will make is that the previous speaker said
that voting against the Defense bill was all of those bad things. Well,
people have voted against the Defense bill.
In 2009 and 2010, all but seven or eight Members of the Republican
Party voted against the Defense bill. They voted against the defense
bill because they didn't like Don't Ask, Don't Tell in one instance and
because they didn't like adding LGBT people to hate crimes in the other
instance.
So they all were perfectly willing to vote against the troops and do
all of the awful things that the previous speaker said for social
policy reasons that had nothing to do with defense.
So voting against the defense bill does not mean that you don't
support the troops, and that is proof because most of the people who
are now saying that it does have voted against the bill in the past.
I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer).
Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, this is my 35th year in the Congress of the United
States. I don't know that I voted against, prior to this year, either a
Defense Appropriation bill or a Defense Authorization bill.
I will vote against this bill. I regret that I will vote against this
bill because I regret that we have not gotten ourselves on a fiscally
sound path in a bipartisan way that makes this country more secure not
only on the national defense side, but secure on the domestic side as
well.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this conference report, which I
believe does a disservice to our men and women in uniform and
undermines our national security.
I do not believe this is the chairman's fault. I want to make that
very clear. The chairman has been dealt a hand, and he is trying to
play the best hand he can. I understand that.
I agree fully, however, with the ranking member, with his concerns
and opposition to this bill not because of most of its substance, but
because of the adverse impact it has on so much else.
This continues the Republican sequester sneak-around strategy. What
do I mean by that? My Republican colleagues historically--since I have
been here--talk about spending money. What they don't like to do is pay
for things. That is, of course, what we do with taxes.
It is not for free: national security, education, health care, law
enforcement. You have to pay for it. And if you want to put a level of
doing something, you need to pay for that or you pass it along to the
next generation.
This bill continues the sequester sneak-around strategy of blowing
through their own defense spending cap by misusing emergency overseas
contingency operations funding for nonemergency base defense spending.
That is why the Pentagon is opposed to this. That is why the Joint
Chiefs believe this is bad policy fiscal policy for the military.
As our military planners and Secretary Carter have made clear, such
an approach to funding undermines the Pentagon's long-term planning
process, which is based on multi-year budgets and predictable funding
streams.
Unfortunately, the fiscal policies of the leadership of this House
over the last 6 years have been anything but predictable.
We avoided a shutdown of government yesterday, notwithstanding the
fact that 151 of my Republican colleagues voted not to fund government
today. Only Democrats ensured the fact that we kept the government
open. Ninety-one Republicans voted with us, but that was far less than
half of their caucus.
This proposal undermines the chances for a bipartisan budget
agreement to replace the sequester before the CR we passed yesterday
expires on December 11. Mr. Speaker, 151 Republicans voted even against
keeping government open for a short period of time, approximately 2
months.
This approach included in this bill also harms fundamental national
security priorities by characterizing core defense items as part of
contingency operations. That is not true. It is not fiscally helpful.
This includes the Iron Dome missile defense program and all other
U.S.-Israel joint missile defense programs that help Israel protect
civilians from Hamas and Hezbollah rockets.
Additionally, this report continues to prevent the administration
from closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, which remains a
recruiting tool for terrorists and undermines America's role as a
beacon of constitutional rights and freedoms around the world.
Meanwhile, we are spending $2.4 million per detainee every year for
those we hold in Guantanamo.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. I yield the gentleman an additional 1
minute.
Mr. HOYER. The ranking member of the Armed Services Committee opposes
this bill strongly, as do members of that committee. The President has
made it clear he is going to veto this bill not because he is against
national security.
Ironically, Republicans have come to the number that the President
proposed. There is a difference. The President paid for his number. He
didn't pass it along to our children.
We must recognize this conference report for what it is: a vehicle
for partisan messaging and an instrument for breaking with the Murray-
Ryan principle of parity in defense and nondefense sequester relief. It
is not a bill that makes America safer and a stronger force for justice
around the world. Therefore, I will oppose it.
I thank my friend, the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Smith) once
again for his work in trying to improve this bill in committee, on this
floor and in conference, and for his untiring work in support of the
men and women of our Nation's armed services.
I thank the chairman of the committee for the same thing. He was
dealt a bad hand. I understand the hand he has to play. It is not good
for our country.
I urge my colleagues to vote ``no.''
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, I would just make three brief points.
Number one, as this debate goes on, it is increasingly clear that the
real debate is about budget and appropriations, not about this bill.
Secondly, I am one of those who voted to continue to fund the
government because I think it is essential that we pay our troops and
that there be no lapse in that. Unfortunately, we have today the White
House playing politics with national security, and I think that is what
makes an ultimate agreement harder.
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Finally, Mr. Speaker, the President was short in funding Israeli
missile defense. We fully fund Israeli missile defense in this bill,
and it should be supported.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr.
Turner), the distinguished chairman of the Tactical Air and Land Forces
Subcommittee.
Mr. TURNER. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of H.R. 1735, what would
be the 54th consecutive National Defense Authorization Act.
What we have here today is, unfortunately, partisan politics at its
worst. You have people who are coming down to the House floor
condemning a bill that they voted for, and now they are going to vote
against it because the President has decided that he is going to veto
it. He is not going to veto it because of what is in this bill. He is
going to veto it because there is not enough spending on the
bureaucracies of the IRS and the EPA. We know this because not only has
the President said it, even Defense Secretary Ash Carter has said it in
front of the Armed Services Committee.
Now, if this were such a bad bill, you would think that it would not
have come out of our committee with full, almost unanimous, support by
both sides of the aisle, bipartisan, unbelievable support for this bill
in virtually
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its same structure that is coming to this floor. Only when President
Obama stepped forward and said, I am going to veto it because you are
not funding the IRS and the EPA, did it suddenly lose its bipartisan
support.
This is not an issue about Republicans and Democrats. This is an
issue about this administration. This administration, the author of
sequestration, President Obama, set forth a plan that has been
dismantling our military and needs to be set aside. Now, what we have
in this bill is a bill that fully funds national defense, even as
Minority Leader Steny Hoyer said, that fully funds it at the level that
is requested by the President.
Now, you can say there are gimmicks, you can say there are tricks,
but you can also say what is important; and as you go to the experts to
determine whether or not this bill works, Chairman Dempsey of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff stood in front of our committee, and when asked the
question of does the structure of this bill fully fund national
defense, he said, absolutely, that he could spend it and that it would
be the number that is necessary. He also said it was the lower jagged
edge of what is necessary for national security.
Mr. Speaker, if Chairman Dempsey says in front of our committee--and
he certainly is the expert--that this works, it works. I urge everyone
to support this bill. Set aside sequestration, set aside partisan
politics, and support our men and women in uniform.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my
time.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the
gentleman from Alabama (Mr. Rogers), the distinguished chair of the
Strategic Forces Subcommittee, for the purpose of a colloquy.
Mr. ROGERS of Alabama. Mr. Chairman, I want to thank you for your
leadership in getting us here today. I would like to ask the chairman a
question if I might.
Does the legislation provide the President the exact amount of money
he requested in his budget request?
Mr. THORNBERRY. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. ROGERS of Alabama. I yield to the gentleman from Texas.
Mr. THORNBERRY. The gentleman is correct. The total is exactly the
amount that the President asked for.
Mr. ROGERS of Alabama. Thank you. That is what I thought.
Does the chairman recall who it was that testified that the amount
requested for fiscal year 2016 for the national defense is ``at the
ragged edge of manageable risk?''
Mr. THORNBERRY. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. ROGERS of Alabama. I yield to the gentleman from Texas.
Mr. THORNBERRY. As the gentleman from Ohio just said, it was the
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs that said that this is the lower ragged
edge of what it takes to defend the country.
Mr. ROGERS of Alabama. And that individual is the President's senior
military adviser, isn't he?
Mr. THORNBERRY. Yes, sir.
Mr. ROGERS of Alabama. That is what I thought.
Thank you, Chairman.
So, Mr. Speaker, we have an easy choice here today: we can vote for a
conference report that sends a bill to the President that provides him
authorized funding at exactly the level he requested, or we can send
the Nation below the ``ragged edge of manageable risk'' in its
security.
It is a bill that provides over a $320 million increase for our
Israeli allies on top of the $155 million in the President's request
for missile defense cooperation.
I would ask Members, especially those who supported the President's
Iran deal, to recall it is exactly this funding that the administration
said was vital to Israel's security because of that deal and its
termination of multilateral sanctions on ballistic missile
proliferation.
This is a bill that provides $184 million to fund an American rocket
to end our reliance on Russian-made rocket engines. This is a bill that
provides the President's request of $358 million for Cooperative Threat
Reduction activities.
What does that mean? That is how we fight Ebola.
Mr. Speaker, my fellow Members, there are some tough votes that we
have to take around here from time to time. This is not one of them.
Vladimir Putin is bombing U.S.-backed anti-Assad forces in Syria. If
you want to make Putin happy, vote against this bill.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 2 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, first of all, the reason that we are at the ragged edge
of what defense needs is because of the budget caps. That is the issue.
That is the substantive issue and why this is important.
Tied into that is a regrettable fact. The chairman says repeatedly,
look, this is the authorizing bill. Don't talk to me about the budget.
Don't talk to me about appropriations. The defense budget is over half
of the discretionary budget. So, unfortunately, the defense bill is
about the budget and about the appropriations process.
As long as we have those budget caps locked in place, we will be at
the ragged edge of what we can do to protect our national security. We
shouldn't be there. We should lift the budget caps. This NDAA locks in
those budget caps and uses the OCO dodge, which, as I have pointed out,
the Senate isn't agreeing to, so the $38 billion isn't going to be
there.
Even worse, what Secretary Carter has also said is that the OCO
funding simply perpetuates the 5 years of budget cuts and uncertainty,
of CRs, of government shutdowns, of threatened government shutdowns,
and of not being able to plan. Secretary Carter has been very clear. He
opposes this bill because the OCO funding is not an adequate way to
fund defense because it is 1-year money. It is a budget gimmick. It
doesn't give them the ability to plan and do what they need to protect
our country and take care of our troops.
So opposing this bill because of the OCO funding is enormously
important to our troops and is a substantive part of this. We cannot
simply dodge the budget issues.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to respond briefly to the comment about the
committee vote. We in committee said we didn't like the OCO funding and
that we needed that to be fixed. But we are coming out of committee. We
are going to give it a chance to work its way through the process. No
changes were made, so we opposed it on the floor.
We didn't just wake up yesterday and oppose this. Democrats voted
against this bill when it came through the House in the first place.
The critically important issue that we absolutely made a point of in
committee was not fixed, so that is why we are opposing this bill.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the
gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Wittman), the distinguished chair of the
Subcommittee on Readiness.
Mr. WITTMAN. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to ask Congress to vote in
favor of the National Defense Authorization Act for FY16. I am proud
that this conference report takes significant steps towards rebuilding
our military and readiness.
We prioritize training for our troops and maintenance and
modernization of our equipment and technology. This NDAA is critical to
carry out the military missions of this Nation effectively and
successfully in an increasingly dangerous world.
Recently, former Secretary of State Dr. Henry Kissinger proclaimed:
``The United States has not faced a more diverse and complex array of
crises since the end of the Second World War.'' This statement holds
true today as we combat ISIS in the Middle East, as Russia again tests
our commitment to global leadership, and as China continues to increase
its defense spending to record levels.
Mr. Speaker, Congress has a constitutional duty of providing for the
common defense of our Nation. If Congress and the President fail to act
on the NDAA, we forgo our constitutional duty, and we weaken the
security of our Nation and ability to confront crises that occur around
the globe.
It is also important to point out that this is not the time to play
political games with our national security or to hold hostage funding
and authorization for the military for political gain. Our
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Nation and our men and women in the military deserve better, and they
deserve the proper support that Congress is under obligation to
provide.
As we have heard through testimony from our military leaders before
the committee, our military is approaching the ragged edge of being
able to execute our Nation's defense strategy. By not passing this
NDAA, or by allowing sequestration to continue to devastate our
Nation's military readiness, we place ourselves in a position where we
will be unable to defend against the threats we face today and in the
future.
I urge my colleagues to support this bill and vote in favor of the
National Defense Authorization Act of FY16.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I
may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I agree with a lot of what the gentleman just said about
how critical national security is, yet the Republican majority insists
on maintaining those budget caps that are devastating to our national
security. They will not lift the caps that are causing precisely the
problems that were just described, and 151 of them voted yesterday to
defund the entire military by shutting down the government. So if we
really believe in all of those national security priorities, let's
start funding them. Lift the budget caps and actually pay for it.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from California
(Mrs. Davis).
Mrs. DAVIS of California. Mr. Speaker, I want to associate myself
with the ranking member because I think that we all work very, very
hard on this committee, and I appreciate the work that our chairman has
done as well. I have to say I am speaking largely as someone who has
never not supported an NDAA. I actually did support it in committee,
and I support it on the floor. But I think we are in a box, and
sometimes when you get in a box, you have got to do something about it.
You can't just stay in there and sit. It means making some hard
decisions.
Mr. Speaker, I have listened in the committee when Secretary Carter
was there. I have to say I think he was a bit badgered in that
discussion, but at the same time, he is a big boy and he can handle
that. Basically what he said is of course we support all those issues,
of course we want a better budget for the men and women who serve our
country because it is in the best interests of the United States of
America, but we also have to be concerned about the future, not just
about tomorrow. We have got to be able to do this for the men and women
and for our country as we move forward.
That is what this doesn't do. We have got to give this a chance.
There has got to be a better chance. That is why I feel that I have
been there. I have compromised; and there are a lot of members on that
committee, honestly, who are not willing to compromise. We have tried
to find that balance.
Mr. Speaker, I am really proud of the work that we have done on the
Military Personnel Subcommittee. I am proud because we made some gains.
We have sort of shuffled some issues a little bit to be able to say to
our leaders that we understand their concerns, we understand what
readiness means in this country, and we have got to deal with that.
Maybe we can't deal with all these issues that we have tried to make
sure we funded to the very, very highest limit that we could possibly
do.
We know there are some changes perhaps that are coming, and so we do
it in an incremental way, in a slow way, and something that we think is
in the best interests of the men and women and the country all at the
same time. We have got to do that. We have multiple global crises going
on in this country. So we can't just make a decision for today; it has
got to be down the line.
What is it that we need to do?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I yield the gentlewoman an
additional 30 seconds.
Mrs. DAVIS of California. What is important? What was Secretary
Carter talking about? Predictability. Not just for our folks at the
Pentagon to be able to make sure the men and women of this country are
provided with everything that they need, but we also need to be sure
that those who work with our country--we have a very strong contractual
relationship with the public-private sector in this country, and we
need to provide prediction for them as well. That is why I stand today.
I believe it is in the best interests to go back and work this out.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has again
expired.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I yield the gentlewoman an
additional 1 minute.
Mrs. DAVIS of California. I work in a community of large numbers of
military families. And guess what, the military is no different from
the rest of our country. It is made safer and stronger by Homeland
Security, by law enforcement, by environmental protection, and by
strong education programs. They care about all those things, so they
want us to stand up for their children and for their future.
Mr. Speaker, we can do this together. Let's take that chance. It is
worth it.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the
gentlewoman from Missouri (Mrs. Hartzler), the distinguished chair of
the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.
Mrs. HARTZLER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Speaker, I agree with the lady that we need to make hard choices,
but we don't need to do this in this bill. We can't solve the problems
that have been reiterated in this bill. This is a budget issue.
I serve on the Budget Committee as well, and I believe we need to
undo sequestration for our national defense. We need to come up with a
comprehensive plan to address the cost drivers of our country that are
causing us to go into debt.
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We need to get our priorities back as a country and make sure we
provide for the common defense. We need to do that in the budget in a
comprehensive way.
But we don't need to hold our military hostage today by not approving
the expenditure of funds for the vital things that they need. That is
what my colleagues are doing. I appreciate their intent. I look forward
to working with them--many of us do--to solve this overall problem, but
today our military need to know that we are standing behind them and
that we are going to authorize them with the things that they need.
This bill is full of the things that our country and our men and
women in uniform need. As the chairman of the Oversight and
Investigations Subcommittee, we are doing an investigation dealing with
the transfer of detainees out of GTMO and what happened with Sergeant
Bergdahl and the Taliban Five. So I was especially proud of the part in
here that makes sure that the detainees are not removed from Guantanamo
Bay and brought into our local communities. In addition, we set up an
additional protocol so that the Secretary of Defense has to certify
that any detainees that go to a foreign country, that that country is
able to detain them, keep them safe, and make sure that they don't go
back into the fight and continue their terrorist activities.
This bill takes care of our troops. It addresses the threats facing
us. We have so many. Whether it is what is going on in Ukraine and with
Russia, whether it is dealing with ISIL, or whether it is a cyber
threat that we have, every day there are threats coming around us, and
we address them in this bill. That is why we need to pass it. It also
provides for the platforms that we need.
I urge my colleagues to do the right thing, to stand with our troops,
to provide them with what they need, and to support this bill.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my
time.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the
gentleman from Nevada (Mr. Heck), the distinguished chair of the
Subcommittee on Military Personnel.
Mr. HECK of Nevada. Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairman for yielding.
As chairman of the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Military
Personnel, I appreciate Chairman Thornberry's efforts to bring this
conference report to the floor. His dedication to our Armed Forces,
their families, and our veterans is commendable.
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Supporting the men and women who volunteer to pick up a weapon, stand
a post, and guard the freedoms and liberties that make our Nation great
is a primary function of the Federal Government. Article I, section 8
of the Constitution, ``to raise and support Armies,'' ``to provide and
maintain a Navy,'' today with adoption of this conference report, we
achieve that goal.
Included in the report are personnel provisions that will allow us to
recruit and retain the best and brightest, maintain an agile military
force, and ensure our brave men and women in uniform are given the
benefits they have earned and deserve.
The President has threatened to veto this conference report, even
though the report authorizes the amount he requested in his own budget,
because he is not happy with the manner in which it is provided. He is
using our military men and women as political pawns to get increases in
nondefense spending. I understand that he has urged some of my
colleagues to vote ``no'' today, and I want to make sure my colleagues
know some of the things they would be voting against:
A new retirement plan that provides options and portable retirement
benefits for individuals who serve less than 20 years, roughly 83
percent of the force;
A pay raise for our military men and women, along with many special
pays and bonuses, that are critical to maintaining the all-volunteer
force;
A joint uniform drug formulary between the Department of Defense and
the Department of Veterans Affairs so that transitioning servicemembers
get to stay on the drugs that are working for them as they leave active
service; and
Enhanced protections for sexual assault victims to include expanding
access to Special Victims' Counsel, protecting victims from
retaliation, and improving the military rules of evidence.
If the President follows through with his veto threat, servicemembers
and their families will be deprived of these significant improvements
to their compensation and quality of life.
I urge my colleagues to stand with our military men and women and
their families and support this report.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, may I inquire as to how much
time is remaining on each side.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Washington has 10 minutes
remaining. The gentleman from Texas has 10\1/2\ minutes remaining.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 3 minutes.
There was a comment earlier about the military being held hostage by
these other needs, and I think it is really important to understand
that, over the course of the last 5 years, what the military has really
been held hostage to is the budget caps, one government shutdown,
multiple CRs, and multiple threatened government shutdowns. That is
what is holding the military hostage.
If you talk to them about how they have tried to figure out what they
can spend money on and what they can't spend money on throughout that
madness--because we can't pass along a long-term budget, because we
can't lift the budget caps, because we can't pass appropriations--that
is what is holding them hostage.
A 1- or 2-month delay in passing the NDAA--which, by the way, we have
passed in December for the last 3 or 4 years--isn't going to hold them
hostage at all. What is holding them hostage is that ridiculous budget
process that I just mentioned.
And why do we have that ridiculous budget process? Because the
Republican majority insists on maintaining those budget caps. It is
those budget caps that are holding our military hostage. Unless we lift
them, we will not be able to adequately fund defense.
I heard a number of times over here that the only reason we oppose
this is because we want more spending on other programs. That is not
even close to true, and it is obvious that no one has been listening to
the arguments that I have been making.
The reason we propose this is because it perpetuates our military
being held hostage to budget caps, budget gimmicks, CRs, and threatened
government shutdowns. This bill has OCO funding in it. It does not have
base budget funding. It does not provide the same amount of money for
the President that the President's budget provides because it is not
the same money, and the type of money does matter. If you have actual
budget authority, if you have actual appropriations, you can spend them
over multiple years because you know that they are going to be there.
It is absurd the way we have budgeted for the last 5 years, and what
we are doing in opposing this bill is standing up to that absurdity for
many reasons, I will grant you. Number one is to protect our national
security and the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces who have
had to live with that government shutdown, those CRs, those threatened
government shutdowns, and, most importantly, those budget caps that the
majority refuses to lift. Unless we lift those, the military is going
to be in this situation in perpetuity, and that is unacceptable for our
national security.
It is all about national security. It is all about defense for why we
are opposing this bill. We can't go on like this and have an adequate
national security. We have to lift the budget caps.
I will say one other thing. We have to raise taxes somewhere. In the
last 14 years, we have cut taxes by somewhere in the neighborhood of $7
trillion. Now, granted, there are unquestionably places in the budget
we can cut, and we cut.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. I yield myself an additional 2 minutes.
We have cut Medicare. I know we have cut Medicare because the
Republican Party ran all kinds of ads bashing us for cutting Medicare
back in 2010. We found about $700 billion in savings that has extended
the life of the program and saved money, so we have saved money.
But the flat refusal to raise any revenue is what has got our
military with a hand around its throat, because, believe it or not, you
have to actually raise the money if you are going to spend it.
So as you stand up here complaining about all the things that we are
not funding in national security and then insist on maintaining the
budget caps and insist on not raising a penny in taxes, that is the
grossest hypocrisy I can imagine. If you are unhappy with how much
money is being spent on the military, then have the guts to raise the
caps and raise the taxes to actually pay for it, or just stop talking
about it and accept it at that level.
We are opposing this bill because the budget process that we have
been under is what is throttling our military. Until we break that
grip, until we get an actual appropriations process, until we get the
budget caps lifted, and until, I believe, we actually raise some
revenues to pay for it, we are not going to be doing adequate service
to the men and women of our military.
I also want to say that I oppose this bill because it also continues
to keep Guantanamo Bay open at the cost of nearly $3 million per
inmate. In addition to being an international problem, it is
unbelievably expensive and not necessary. We should shut Guantanamo.
This bill locks in place for another year that it will stay open and
does not give the President any option or any flexibility in that
regard.
So, again, don't tell me or anyone over here that we are voting
``no'' for reasons that have nothing to do with national security. How
can you possibly look at the last 5 years of budgeting and the impact
that it has had on the Department of Defense and say that getting rid
of the budget caps isn't absolutely critical to national security? I
believe that it is, and that is why we oppose this bill.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to make a couple of points. Number one is I
share a lot of the concerns about the effect of sequestration on the
military, but as this conversation continues, it is clearer and clearer
that the real problem here is budgets, and now we hear taxes.
This bill cannot solve either of those problems. We cannot rewrite
the Tax Code or raise taxes. We can't repeal ObamaCare. There are lots
of things we can't do. But we can do some things, and we should do
that.
Secondly, a dollar of OCO is a dollar spent just as much as a dollar
of base
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is spent, and that is why I say I don't really think if you are on the
ground in Afghanistan you care about what the label put on the money
is. And, by the way, the increase in the OCO account is operations and
maintenance money, which is only good for 1 year anyway.
Next point. In fiscal year 2013, Israel missile defense was funded in
OCO, and yet we had Members on that side of the aisle, including some
who are complaining about that, vote for it. That is what we do
sometimes.
Finally, this President signed into law the exact provisions on
restricting GTMO transfers.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. THORNBERRY. I yield myself an additional 30 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, this President signed
into law the exact restrictions on Guantanamo transfers that we have in
this bill. Now, is it all of a sudden such a big deal that he has
decided that he is going to veto the bill over it? I think that is a
hard case to make.
Mr. Speaker, at this point, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Chabot), the distinguished chair of the House
Small Business Committee.
Mr. CHABOT. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, the passage of an annual National Defense Authorization
Act to lay out our Nation's defense and national security priorities is
one of our most important duties as Members of Congress.
This year is no different, especially given the very serious
conflicts happening around the globe--in Eastern Europe, in the Middle
East, in the South China Sea--which have serious implications for our
own security and for our allies.
This year's NDAA makes a number of positive changes to DOD small
business contracting policies to help ensure that small businesses
throughout the country can continue to perform the critical support
functions that help make America's military still the best in the
world.
Mr. Speaker, having a small business industrial base means taxpayers
benefit from increased competition, innovation, and job creation. Since
2013, we have lost over 25 percent of the small firms registered to do
business with the government--25 percent. That is over 100,000 small
businesses. The reforms in this year's NDAA, the bill that we are
considering now, takes steps to reverse that trend.
The White House has threatened to veto this bill. That is a shame
because this bipartisan, bicameral bill defends small businesses and
ensures that the spirit of entrepreneurship is alive and well in our
industrial base. This isn't about political gamesmanship--at least it
shouldn't be. This is about two of the most bipartisan issues in the
political arena: the men and women in uniform and the small businesses
that employ half of our American workforce.
I sincerely hope that the President reconsiders and enacts this
bipartisan, bicameral bill.
I want to thank a number of members of my committee who have
contributed to this year's bill, including Mr. Hardy of Nevada, Mr.
Knight of California, Mr. Bost of Illinois, Mr. Curbelo of Florida,
Mrs. Radewagen of American Samoa, and Mr. Hanna of New York. I would
also like to thank a number of other Members and thank Mr. Thornberry.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my
time.
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Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Wenstrup).
Mr. WENSTRUP. Mr. Speaker, our military must always be available and
able to ready, aim, fire at a moment's notice. The threats we face
around the world today demand it; and as soldier and a veteran, I can
tell you that ``ready'' in the military needs to be spoken as a
command, not proposed as a question.
There is one crucial element: our military has to be ready to engage
the threats. This bill ensures our military readiness, and it ensures
that there is a plan for 2016.
From ISIS to Russia to North Korea, the threats we face are too
serious to wait any longer. But in the same week that the President was
surprised by the Russians bombing U.S.-backed forces in Syria, he is
threatening to veto this National Defense bill.
Veto our national security, really?
I encourage the President to use his phone, and to paraphrase his own
words, to call the 1980s and ask for their foreign policy back because
we need it. That policy demands that our military must be backed by the
full confidence of this government now. This can't wait.
Pass this pay raise for our troops. Pass this to give our troops new
retirement benefits. Pass this to keep our critical weapons systems at
an operational level.
Mr. Speaker, we have been working on this legislation since the
beginning of this year. It is a good bill that adheres to the law, and
it is the certainty our troops need.
Pass this bill. Our troops need it. They don't let you down. Don't
let them down.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman
from New York (Ms. Stefanik), the distinguished vice chair of the
Subcommittee on Readiness.
Ms. STEFANIK. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of the conference
report to H.R. 1735, the fiscal year 2016 NDAA. I thank Chairman
Thornberry for his leadership, guidance, and tireless efforts on this
imperative piece of legislation.
Just this past week, the major headline coming out of Afghanistan was
the Taliban's seizure of the prominent town of Kunduz. This serves as
yet another reminder to us all that this region of the world remains
unstable and brings about challenges to our national security. The
fiscal year 2016 NDAA provides our Nation's Armed Forces with the
resources they need to defend our national security.
Since September 11, the Army's 10th Mountain Division out of Fort
Drum, which I am honored to represent, has been the most actively
forward deployed division to Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet sadly, just this
past month, Specialist Kyle Gilbert, a soldier from the 10th Mountain
Division, died in Afghanistan while serving our Nation.
In New York's North Country, our community and our military families
understand what fighting for our Nation's liberties and freedoms truly
means.
So when I express my support for the NDAA, the tools it provides and
how it enables our Armed Forces to defend our Nation from organizations
who create volatility and terrorism around the world, I am speaking for
my constituents, those servicemen and -women who are overseas right now
in highly kinetic combat zones fighting to protect you and me, our
families, and our Nation.
Colleagues, the fiscal year 2016 NDAA allows for our Armed Forces to
plan and operate according to what we as a nation have asked of them.
We must support the NDAA to maintain our readiness and provide for our
military.
As leaders here today, we know we cannot continue to task our troops
with doing more with less as defense sequestration cuts remain. The
conference report to FY 2016 NDAA provides relief from these harmful
defense sequestration cuts, but more must be done.
Let me remind my colleagues across the aisle sequestration was
proposed by this administration, signed into law by this President, and
passed by a previous Congress.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. THORNBERRY. I yield an additional 30 seconds to the gentlewoman
from New York.
Ms. STEFANIK. When the NDAA comes before the President's desk, I hope
he realizes a veto threat could threaten the safety of our Nation's
servicemembers and our country's defense.
I urge my colleagues to join me in supporting and voting for the
NDAA.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of
my time.
I will go ahead and start with that last comment because it is a
popular trope that is trotted out all the time about how sequestration
was the President's idea and, therefore, it is not our fault, which is
a fascinating argument because I was actually here when that
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happened, and I don't think it is clear exactly whose idea
sequestration was.
What is clear is that the reason that we did the Budget Control Act
and sequestration was because the Republican majority in the House was
refusing to raise the debt ceiling, refusing to allow us to borrow
money at a time when we had to borrow it. How do we think that would
have impacted national security and our troops?
I voted against the Budget Control Act, but I have often said I don't
hold anything against those who voted for it because they basically had
a gun to their head. The Budget Control Act was an awful piece of
legislation, but not raising the debt ceiling, not paying our debts,
you know, stopping the ability of the United States of America to
borrow money, was clearly worse.
So this partisan argument that, oh, you know, sequestration was the
President's idea so therefore it is not our fault is about as absurd an
argument as I have ever heard. Number one, because like I said, the
only reason that that discussion was on the table was because it was
blackmail for raising the debt ceiling, which had to be raised.
Number two, it has been a good 5 years since then. The Republicans
now control both the House and the Senate, and they had an opportunity
to pass a budget resolution this year. They passed a budget resolution
that held those caps and sequestration firmly in place, and that is not
good for our troops and it is not good for our national security.
So let's move on to that appropriations process; get those budget
caps lifted for the sake of a whole lot of different issues. That
brings me back to the National Defense Authorization Act and the fact
that, by locking in the OCO, by accepting those budget caps, by using
OCO funds, we are once again putting the Pentagon in a situation where
they don't know how much money they are going to have and they have no
predictability whatsoever.
It is the OCO in this bill that is the reason that I oppose it and
the reason that most Democrats oppose it because that OCO is harmful to
national security. We need a real budget. We need real budget authority
and real appropriations. Voting for a bill that puts in place the OCO
instead of that simply perpetuates the nightmare of the last 5 years of
uncertainty. Like I said, we are going to have a motion to recommit
here in a moment that easily fixes this problem.
I agree with 95 percent of the rest of the bill. I don't agree with
all of it. The chairman said, you know, we negotiated some things; they
were up, they were down. By and large, it is a good bill. But the 5
percent that is bad is so bad that it does justify a ``no'' vote
because it perpetuates this bad budget situation and is a very easy
fix.
Take the OCO out of it and put it in the base budget. It is very
simple. That is what we are going to propose in the motion to recommit.
You will see Democrats vote for that because we support funding this.
What we don't support is maintaining the budget caps through an obvious
budget gimmick.
I had a fascinating conversation with a member of the Rules Committee
yesterday on the other side of the aisle who said he was very, very
proud of the Budget Control Act, said it was the best vote he had taken
in Congress. Interesting that it was supposedly all the President's
fault. But he really supported the Budget Control Act. He felt those
caps were absolutely necessary. And I said: Well, then you must oppose
the NDAA because it busts those caps by $38 billion. He said a lot of
things at that point, but he never answered my question.
So this dodge of saying that we are going to create sort of money
that really isn't money in order to, for one brief period of time, fund
isolated programs within the Pentagon does not help national security.
The only thing that is going to help national security is by getting
rid of the OCO dodge and budgeting honestly. So that is why we oppose
this bill.
Yes, I believe that budget caps should be raised for the other bills
as well, in part, because I think a lot of those Departments are
important to national security, as I mentioned: the Department of
Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, the Department of the
Treasury.
More than anything, we oppose this bill because of how bad it is for
the Pentagon. That is the reason the Secretary of Defense opposed it.
That is the reason all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff oppose it. They
want an actual budget. They want actual, dependable money, the way
things used to be before 2010 when we would actually pass
appropriations bills and they could plan more than a month or two at a
time. If we pass this bill, we simply perpetuate that process.
We will pass an NDAA. We will resolve one way or the other our
appropriations difference, and we will get it done, but passing this
bill now simply perpetuates a bad situation that is bad for our troops
and bad for national security. For that reason, I oppose it.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I want to start with one of the points I made at the
beginning, and that is to thank the staff, especially on both sides of
the aisle, who spent a lot of hours, disrupted a lot of plans, put in
incredible effort back and forth to come up with this conference
report. Members on both sides of the aisle and both sides of the
Capitol contributed to the product that we are about to vote on.
Mr. Speaker, for 53 straight years Congresses of both parties have
passed and Presidents of both parties have signed into law Defense
Authorization bills.
There were a handful of times--and it is exactly four--when a
President vetoed a Defense Authorization bill, and every single time it
was because of something that was in the bill. So it came back to
Congress, there were adjustments made, it went back to the White House,
and he signed it into law.
Never before has a Defense Authorization bill been held hostage, not
because of something that is in it, but trying to force Congress to
take action on some other matter. Now, we have talked a lot today about
appropriations, about budget, even about taxes. None of those things
can happen with the Defense Authorization bill.
The reason it has never happened before is because it would be
irresponsible to hold defense hostage to another domestic agenda, a
political agenda, even a broader budget agenda. And it unnecessarily
threatens the national security of the United States. This is a first,
and this first is happening at a particularly dangerous time.
There is nothing in this bill that could solve the problem that we
have heard so much about. It is an authorization bill. It is not
appropriations. It is not budget. It is not a tax bill. It is a defense
policy bill.
We have heard from time to time the military opposes it. No. They
say, ``I would rather do it differently,'' and I would, too. But I have
specifically asked general after general, Would you rather have the
money or not, and they always say they would rather have the money.
Even though it is not an ideal way to do budgets, it is better to have
the money than not.
By the way, there is a provision in here so that if we can, as I hope
we do, reach a budget agreement in a different appropriations matter,
the authorizations are adjusted accordingly.
The bottom line is, if Members vote against this bill, they are
voting against everything in it. You may say you are for it, but you
are voting against it.
So what I think our troops deserve and what the world needs to hear,
especially at this point in time, is that Washington can work. We may
not solve all the problems today, but we can do something that is good
and that we are willing to stand up and take action to help defend
ourselves. That is what this bill is about.
I hope Members will support it.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. BLUMENAUER. Mr. Speaker, today I will vote against H.R. 1735, the
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2016 because it is a
budget gimmick, shamelessly hiding behind the guise of national
security. Make no mistake--America would be less safe were this bill to
move forward in its present form.
The President has already said--as he has been saying for months--
that he will veto this bill if it misuses Overseas Contingency
Operation funds to evade the congressionally mandated budget caps.
Sadly, but not surprisingly, Congressional Republicans did exactly that
and worse. They had an opportunity to avoid leaving our troops in the
lurch by pursuing a
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balanced and fair budget deal that would unwind the reckless sequester
for the national security activities at non-defense agencies like
State, Homeland Security, and the VA.
In addition, this Authorization contains a budget-busting time bomb,
the National Sea-Based Deterrence Fund, which is such a naked attempt
to rob sister accounts to pay for pet projects that, for the third year
in a row, Congressional appropriators have refused to fund.
The Sea-Based Deterrence Fund was created in the FY15 Defense
Authorization because the Navy could not afford to simultaneously build
back up to a 300-plus surface fleet and procure 12 Ohio-class
replacement nuclear submarines. The Sea-Based Deterrence Fund didn't
solve their problem of how SSBN(X) would be paid for. It simply shifted
that burden onto the larger Pentagon budget. According to a recent
Congressional Research Service report, the new ballistic missile
submarine program is expected to cost $139 billion. Sadly, the account
grew worse in conference by expanding its use to also include attack
submarines and aircraft carriers. This account is emblematic of a
larger problem, which is that this Defense Authorization marches our
country towards a complete rebuild of our nuclear arsenal and triad,
something that a Congressionally-appointed National Defense Panel
estimated will cost up to $1 trillion.
While I cannot support this bill, I want to acknowledge the
leadership taken by the House and Senate Armed Services Committee
Chairs and Ranking Members for tackling some tough issues in this
Authorization that previous efforts have ignored. This bill includes
bipartisan acquisition reform aimed at containing defense spending,
difficult but necessary military retirement and benefit changes, and
makes strides towards rightsizing the Pentagon workforce.
Critically, it includes provisions that I championed to reform and
extend the Afghan Special Immigrant Visa (SW) program for those brave
Afghan men and women who risked their lives to aid our troops, but are
now in danger as a result of their courageous service. We cannot allow
more of our Afghan allies, and their families, to fall victim to the
merciless Taliban. Should this Defense Authorization succumb to a
protracted political fight, these provisions dealing with the Afghan
SIV program should be broken off and moved through Congress as
standalone legislation. I am prepared to introduce and push such a
bill, as I've done in the past.
Though some hard decisions were made in this Defense Authorization,
that leadership is overshadowed by continued budget gimmickry on
Overseas Contingency Funds, the Sea Based Deterrence Fund, and harmful
policy riders such as the continued effort to prevent the
administration from rightfully closing Guantanamo Bay.
Both the House and Senate Ranking Members of the Armed Services
Committees could not support this bill. Nor can I. The president will
veto it. That's because our men and women in uniform should not be
taken hostage in a budgetary circus. Just yesterday, 151 Republicans
voted to shutdown the government, including our military. America
cannot be great if it's subject to one manufactured crisis after
another. We can get this right. All it would take is a little
leadership and some common sense. Sadly, both are in short supply in
this process.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. All time for debate has expired.
Pursuant to House Resolution 449, the previous question is ordered.
Motion to Recommit
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I have a motion to recommit at
the desk.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is the gentleman opposed to the bill?
Mr. SMITH of Washington. I am.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the motion to
recommit.
The Clerk read as follows:
Mr. Smith of Washington moves to recommit the conference
report on the bill H.R. 1735 to the committee of conference
with instructions to the managers on the part of the House
to--
(1) agree to section 1501 of the Senate amendment in lieu
of section 1501, as passed by the House;
(2) agree to section 1505 of the Senate amendment in lieu
of section 1504, as passed by the House;
(3) disagree to section 4303 in the conference substitute
recommended by the committee of conference; and
(4) insist that the conference substitute recommended by
the committee of conference be modified--
(A) by transferring the funding table in section 4303 to
appear after the last line of section 4301 so as to be
included in the funding table in section 4301;
(B) in section 1301(b), by striking ``section 1504'' and
inserting ``section 301'';
(C) in section 1301(b), by striking ``section 4303'' and
inserting ``section 4301''; and
(D) in section 1522(a), by striking paragraph (4).
Mr. SMITH of Washington (during the reading). I ask unanimous consent
to dispense with the reading.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Washington?
There was no objection.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The motion is not debatable.
Without objection, the previous question is ordered on the motion to
recommit.
There was no objection.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion to recommit.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the noes appeared to have it.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and
nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 and clause 9 of rule
XX, this 15-minute vote on the motion to recommit will be followed by
5-minute votes on adoption of the conference report, if ordered; and
passage of H.R. 3457.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 186,
nays 241, not voting 7, as follows:
[Roll No. 531]
YEAS--186
Adams
Aguilar
Ashford
Bass
Beatty
Becerra
Bera
Beyer
Bishop (GA)
Blumenauer
Bonamici
Boyle, Brendan F.
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Brownley (CA)
Bustos
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardenas
Carney
Carson (IN)
Cartwright
Castor (FL)
Castro (TX)
Chu, Judy
Cicilline
Clark (MA)
Clarke (NY)
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Courtney
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis, Danny
DeFazio
DeGette
Delaney
DeLauro
DelBene
DeSaulnier
Deutch
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle, Michael F.
Duckworth
Duncan (TN)
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Esty
Farr
Fattah
Foster
Frankel (FL)
Fudge
Gabbard
Gallego
Garamendi
Graham
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Hahn
Hastings
Heck (WA)
Higgins
Himes
Hinojosa
Honda
Hoyer
Huffman
Israel
Jackson Lee
Jeffries
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones
Kaptur
Keating
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilmer
Kind
Kirkpatrick
Kuster
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lawrence
Lee
Levin
Lewis
Lieu, Ted
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren
Lowenthal
Lowey
Lujan Grisham (NM)
Lujan, Ben Ray (NM)
Lynch
Maloney, Carolyn
Maloney, Sean
Matsui
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McNerney
Meeks
Meng
Moore
Moulton
Murphy (FL)
Nadler
Napolitano
Nolan
Norcross
O'Rourke
Pallone
Pascrell
Payne
Pelosi
Peters
Peterson
Pingree
Pocan
Polis
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rangel
Rice (NY)
Richmond
Roybal-Allard
Ruiz
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schrader
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell (AL)
Sherman
Sinema
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Speier
Swalwell (CA)
Takai
Takano
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Titus
Tonko
Torres
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Vargas
Veasey
Vela
Velazquez
Visclosky
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Waters, Maxine
Watson Coleman
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Yarmuth
NAYS--241
Abraham
Aderholt
Allen
Amash
Amodei
Babin
Barletta
Barr
Barton
Benishek
Bilirakis
Bishop (MI)
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Blum
Bost
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brat
Bridenstine
Brooks (AL)
Brooks (IN)
Buchanan
Buck
Bucshon
Burgess
Byrne
Calvert
Carter (GA)
Carter (TX)
Chabot
Chaffetz
Clawson (FL)
Coffman
Cole
Collins (GA)
Collins (NY)
Comstock
Conaway
Cook
Costello (PA)
Cramer
Crawford
Crenshaw
Curbelo (FL)
Davis, Rodney
Denham
Dent
DeSantis
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Dold
Donovan
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Ellmers (NC)
Emmer (MN)
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Garrett
Gibbs
Gibson
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Granger
Graves (GA)
Graves (LA)
Graves (MO)
Griffith
Grothman
Guinta
Guthrie
Hanna
Hardy
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Heck (NV)
Hensarling
Herrera Beutler
Hice, Jody B.
Hill
Holding
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurd (TX)
Hurt (VA)
Issa
Jenkins (KS)
Jenkins (WV)
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jolly
Jordan
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Joyce
Katko
Kelly (MS)
Kelly (PA)
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kinzinger (IL)
Kline
Knight
Labrador
LaHood
LaMalfa
Lamborn
Lance
Latta
LoBiondo
Long
Loudermilk
Love
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
MacArthur
Marchant
Marino
Massie
McCarthy
McCaul
McClintock
McHenry
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
McSally
Meadows
Meehan
Messer
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Moolenaar
Mooney (WV)
Mullin
Mulvaney
Murphy (PA)
Neugebauer
Newhouse
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Olson
Palazzo
Palmer
Paulsen
Pearce
Perry
Pittenger
Pitts
Poe (TX)
Poliquin
Pompeo
Posey
Price, Tom
Ratcliffe
Reed
Renacci
Ribble
Rice (SC)
Rigell
Roby
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Rooney (FL)
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross
Rothfus
Rouzer
Royce
Russell
Ryan (WI)
Salmon
Sanford
Scalise
Schweikert
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (MO)
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Stefanik
Stewart
Stivers
Stutzman
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Trott
Turner
Upton
Valadao
Wagner
Walberg
Walden
Walker
Walorski
Walters, Mimi
Weber (TX)
Webster (FL)
Wenstrup
Westerman
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Williams
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Womack
Woodall
Yoder
Yoho
Young (AK)
Young (IA)
Young (IN)
Zeldin
Zinke
NOT VOTING--7
Culberson
Gutierrez
Hudson
Kelly (IL)
Neal
Perlmutter
Reichert
{time} 1326
Mr. JOLLY changed his vote from ``yea'' to ``nay.''
Ms. MAXINE WATERS of California, Mr. JOHNSON of Georgia, Mrs. CAROLYN
B. MALONEY of New York, Messrs. ENGEL, SEAN PATRICK MALONEY of New
York, and RUSH changed their vote from ``nay'' to ``yea.''
So the motion to recommit was rejected.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the conference report.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and
nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 270,
nays 156, not voting 8, as follows:
[Roll No. 532]
YEAS--270
Abraham
Aderholt
Aguilar
Allen
Amodei
Ashford
Babin
Barletta
Barr
Barton
Benishek
Bera
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (MI)
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Blum
Bost
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brat
Bridenstine
Brooks (AL)
Brooks (IN)
Brownley (CA)
Buchanan
Buck
Bucshon
Burgess
Bustos
Byrne
Calvert
Carter (GA)
Carter (TX)
Cartwright
Chabot
Chaffetz
Clawson (FL)
Clay
Coffman
Cole
Collins (GA)
Collins (NY)
Comstock
Conaway
Cook
Costa
Costello (PA)
Courtney
Cramer
Crawford
Crenshaw
Cuellar
Curbelo (FL)
Davis, Rodney
Delaney
Denham
Dent
DeSantis
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Dold
Donovan
Duckworth
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Ellmers (NC)
Emmer (MN)
Esty
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foster
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gabbard
Garamendi
Garrett
Gibbs
Gibson
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Graham
Granger
Graves (GA)
Graves (LA)
Graves (MO)
Grothman
Guinta
Guthrie
Hanna
Hardy
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Heck (NV)
Heck (WA)
Hensarling
Herrera Beutler
Hice, Jody B.
Hill
Holding
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurd (TX)
Hurt (VA)
Issa
Jenkins (KS)
Jenkins (WV)
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jolly
Jordan
Joyce
Katko
Kelly (MS)
Kelly (PA)
Kilmer
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kinzinger (IL)
Kirkpatrick
Kline
Knight
Kuster
LaHood
LaMalfa
Lamborn
Lance
Langevin
Latta
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Long
Loudermilk
Love
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lujan Grisham (NM)
Lummis
MacArthur
Maloney, Sean
Marchant
Marino
McCarthy
McCaul
McClintock
McHenry
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
McSally
Meadows
Meehan
Messer
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Moolenaar
Mooney (WV)
Mullin
Murphy (FL)
Murphy (PA)
Neugebauer
Newhouse
Noem
Norcross
Nugent
Nunes
O'Rourke
Olson
Palazzo
Palmer
Paulsen
Pearce
Perry
Peters
Peterson
Pittenger
Pitts
Poe (TX)
Poliquin
Pompeo
Posey
Price, Tom
Ratcliffe
Reed
Renacci
Ribble
Rice (NY)
Rice (SC)
Rigell
Roby
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rokita
Rooney (FL)
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross
Rothfus
Rouzer
Royce
Ruiz
Ruppersberger
Russell
Ryan (WI)
Salmon
Scalise
Schweikert
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Sinema
Smith (MO)
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Stefanik
Stewart
Stivers
Stutzman
Takai
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Trott
Turner
Upton
Valadao
Wagner
Walberg
Walden
Walker
Walorski
Walters, Mimi
Walz
Weber (TX)
Webster (FL)
Wenstrup
Westerman
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Williams
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Womack
Woodall
Yoder
Yoho
Young (AK)
Young (IA)
Young (IN)
Zeldin
Zinke
NAYS--156
Adams
Amash
Bass
Beatty
Becerra
Beyer
Blumenauer
Bonamici
Boyle, Brendan F.
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardenas
Carney
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Castro (TX)
Chu, Judy
Cicilline
Clark (MA)
Clarke (NY)
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly
Conyers
Cooper
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis, Danny
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLauro
DelBene
DeSaulnier
Deutch
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle, Michael F.
Duncan (TN)
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Farr
Fattah
Frankel (FL)
Fudge
Gallego
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Griffith
Grijalva
Hahn
Hastings
Higgins
Himes
Hinojosa
Honda
Hoyer
Huelskamp
Huffman
Israel
Jackson Lee
Jeffries
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones
Kaptur
Keating
Kennedy
Kildee
Kind
Labrador
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lawrence
Lee
Levin
Lewis
Lieu, Ted
Loebsack
Lofgren
Lowenthal
Lowey
Lujan, Ben Ray (NM)
Lynch
Maloney, Carolyn
Massie
Matsui
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McNerney
Meeks
Meng
Moore
Moulton
Mulvaney
Nadler
Napolitano
Nolan
Pallone
Pascrell
Payne
Pelosi
Pingree
Pocan
Polis
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rangel
Richmond
Rohrabacher
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanford
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schrader
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell (AL)
Sherman
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Speier
Swalwell (CA)
Takano
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Titus
Tonko
Torres
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Vargas
Veasey
Vela
Velazquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters, Maxine
Watson Coleman
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Yarmuth
NOT VOTING--8
Culberson
Gutierrez
Hudson
Kelly (IL)
Neal
Perlmutter
Reichert
Sanchez, Loretta
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
The SPEAKER pro tempore (during the vote). There are 2 minutes
remaining.
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So the conference report was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
Stated for:
Mr. VEASEY. Mr. Speaker, while I voted ``no'' on rollcall vote 532, I
intended to vote ``yes'' on H.R. 1735, the National Defense
Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2016.
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