[Congressional Record Volume 159, Number 142 (Friday, October 11, 2013)]
[House]
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RELATING TO CONSIDERATION OF HOUSE AMENDMENT TO SENATE AMENDMENT TO
H.R. 2642, FEDERAL AGRICULTURE REFORM AND RISK MANAGEMENT ACT OF 2013;
PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H. RES. 378, EXPRESSING SENSE OF HOUSE
RELATING TO TARIFF-RATE QUOTAS FOR RAW AND REFINED SUGAR; AND PROVIDING
FOR CONSIDERATION OF H. RES. 379, EXPRESSING SENSE OF HOUSE RELATING TO
CROP INSURANCE
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call
up House Resolution 380 and ask for its immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:
H. Res. 380
Resolved, That it shall be in order without intervention of
any point of order for the chair of the Committee on
Agriculture or his designee to move that the House insist on
its amendment to the Senate amendment to H.R. 2642 and agree
to a conference with the Senate thereon.
Sec. 2. Upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in
order without intervention of any point of order to consider
in the House the resolution (H. Res. 378) expressing the
sense of the House of Representatives regarding certain
provisions of the Senate amendment to H.R. 2642 relating to
the Secretary of Agriculture's administration of tariff-rate
quotas for raw and refined sugar. The resolution shall be
considered as read. The previous question shall be considered
as ordered on the resolution to its adoption without
intervening motion or demand for division of the question
except one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by
Representative Pitts of Pennsylvania or his designee and an
opponent.
Sec. 3. Upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in
order without intervention of any point of order to consider
in the House the resolution (H. Res. 379) expressing the
sense of the House of Representatives regarding certain
provisions of the Senate amendment to H.R. 2642 relating to
crop insurance. The resolution shall be considered as read.
The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the
resolution to its adoption without intervening motion or
demand for division of the question except one hour of debate
equally divided and controlled by Representative Ryan of
Wisconsin or his designee and an opponent.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentlewoman from North Carolina is
recognized for 1 hour.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the
customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr.
McGovern), pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume.
During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the
purpose of debate only.
General Leave
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members have
5 legislative days to revise and extend their remarks.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentlewoman from North Carolina?
There was no objection.
Ms. FOXX. House Resolution 380 provides for a motion to go to
conference with the Senate on H.R. 2642, the Federal Agriculture Reform
and Risk Management Act, also known as the farm bill.
Mr. Speaker, this rule authorizes House Agriculture Committee
Chairman Frank Lucas to make a motion to go to conference with the
Senate on the farm bill and provides for consideration of two
resolutions expressing the sense of the House regarding specific
provisions in the farm bill.
Conference committees are a crucial step in resolving policy
differences between the House and Senate, and I am encouraged that the
House is taking this step to provide certainty for farmers across this
country by reauthorizing Federal agriculture policy.
The House proposal is not perfect, but it moves Federal agriculture
policy in the right direction; and my hope is that during a conference
committee with the Senate, we can find common ground.
Additionally, the rule makes in order the consideration of two
resolutions that express the sense of the House on crop insurance and
the U.S. sugar program. The first resolution expresses the sense of the
House that conferees should agree to limit crop insurance based on
average adjusted gross income in excess of $750,000. This commonsense
proposal ensures that crop insurance is appropriately targeted to those
who need it most.
The second resolution instructs conferees to advance provisions to
repeal the administration of tariff rate quotas and, thus, restore the
Secretary of Agriculture's authority to manage supplies of sugar
throughout the year to meet domestic demand at reasonable prices. I
strongly support this resolution, as it restores free-market principles
to the U.S. sugar program.
This rule provides for the business of legislating and resolving
differences between our two Chambers to find common ground and move
forward in reauthorizing Federal agriculture policy. I urge my
colleagues to support this rule, the motion to go to conference, and
the motions to instruct provided by this rule.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentlelady from North
Carolina for yielding me the customary 30 minutes, and I yield myself
such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased that we are finally going to conference on
the farm bill. I believe strongly that we need to reauthorize a 5-year
bill to provide some clarity and provide some certainty not just for
our farmers, but also for the millions of Americans who rely on
nutrition assistance to feed themselves and their families.
I need to just say a few words about the process. I do not think I
have ever seen a motion to go to conference with two motions to
instruct conferees to the majority party in the House as all part of
one rule. This is kind of an odd precedent, Mr. Speaker; but there are
a lot of odd things going on around here during these last few days. We
see major pieces of legislation, appropriation bills, coming to the
Rules Committee that have never even been considered on the floor; and
all of a sudden, they are brought before the House under a closed
process. But anyway, I think it is pretty clear that regular order has
been discarded in this House.
But putting that aside, let me say that I would like to take most of
my time here to talk about the issue of hunger in America because this
bill is very relevant to that subject.
After a $20 billion cut to the SNAP program was voted down by the
House in June, the Republican leadership sadly decided to double-down
on the cruelty with a nearly $40 billion cut. That bill also narrowly
passed, and I want to thank the brave Republicans who stood with us,
who listened to their own constituents, and who listened to their
consciences and joined with us in voting ``no'' on that $40 billion
cut.
Supporters of those cuts say it is all about ``reform.'' Well, this
is not about reform, Mr. Speaker. It is about trying to destroy a very
important part of the social safety net.
I am happy to talk to anyone and everyone about how we can improve
SNAP. Where there is waste or there is fraud or there is abuse, we
should crack down on it; but the House bill takes a sledgehammer to a
program that provides food--food, Mr. Speaker--to some of our most
vulnerable neighbors.
The CBO says that the nearly $40 billion cut would throw 3.8 million
low-income people off SNAP in 2014 and millions more in the following
years. These are some of America's poorest adults as well as many low-
income children, seniors, and families that work for low wages. Let me
say that again, Mr. Speaker, so there is no confusion. People who work
or who don't make enough to feed their families would be cut from this
program.
Well, if that weren't bad enough, 210,000 children in these families
will also lose their free school meals; and 170,000 unemployed veterans
will lose their SNAP benefits. Now, we all stand up here and tell our
constituents how much we care about our veterans and how much we honor
them; but to throw 170,000 of these veterans off this food program
because they can't find work, that is unbelievable. That is
unbelievable, and it is unacceptable.
Mr. Speaker, it is not easy to be poor in America. It is not a
glamorous life. It is a struggle just to make it through the day. The
average SNAP benefit is $1.50 per meal. Housing costs, transportation
costs, child care costs--they all add up.
Fighting hunger used to be a bipartisan issue. Think of people like
Bob Dole and Bill Emerson working with George McGovern and Tony Hall.
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I am hopeful that once we get to conference, we can resurrect that
bipartisan spirit and work together to strengthen our Nation's food
assistance programs.
I would also note that we are approaching November 1, a day of
reckoning for my Republican colleagues. Automatic cuts to SNAP are
already scheduled to take place. If they do not end the Republican
shutdown, we are going to see even more terrible, terrible consequences
for the hungry in this country. We have already seen some assistance
delayed or denied. If this shutdown isn't ended, SNAP, WIC, Meals on
Wheels, and the Emergency Food Assistance Program will all be
devastated.
I would say to my colleagues, you can't approach the budget in a
piecemeal way, and you can't approach the social safety net in this
country in a piecemeal way. If you miss a part of that net that makes
up the social safety net in this country, then people fall through the
cracks; and people are falling through the cracks because of this
ridiculous shutdown that my Republican friends have thrust upon this
country.
We shouldn't be here talking about a shutdown or about whether we are
going to default on our debt come October 17. We should be talking
about how we create jobs for people or how we strengthen programs to
end hunger in America and how we make life for people in this country
better, not worse. And yet here we are, as we are about to go to
conference on the farm bill, dealing with this shutdown that is making
hunger worse in America.
I would urge my colleagues to, once again, come to the floor with a
clean continuing resolution. Bring up the Senate bill, the Senate bill
that is at Republican numbers, the budget numbers that my Republican
friends said they wanted, the sequester numbers that I think are awful;
but let's bring it up and have a clean vote.
I am willing to compromise and cooperate with my Republican
colleagues to pass a short-term continuing resolution at their numbers
to keep the government going. I think that is the least we could do.
And I would urge my colleagues, before the day is out, to bring that
kind of resolution to the House floor.
So I urge my colleagues to pass a clean continuing resolution and
remove the sword hanging over the heads of the hungry in this country.
I would also urge all of my colleagues, as we go to conference, to
insist that in that conference we fix this terrible, terrible mistake
that this House of Representatives made when they passed a $40 billion
cut in the SNAP program.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I now yield 2 minutes to my distinguished
colleague from the State of Pennsylvania (Mr. Pitts).
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Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, I rise to speak in favor of the rule to
consider my resolution to reform the sugar program. At the time we
passed the farm bill this summer, opponents of sugar reform were
telling us that the program didn't cost taxpayers a dime. Now, just a
few months later, the program is costing taxpayers $250 million.
Sugar is the only commodity program in the farm bill that had no
reform. Even as other commodities were modified to put more risk on
farmers, sugar continues to get its sweet deal. Cotton, peanuts, dairy
farmers will all see changes in the coming year, but not sugar farmers.
It is a sweet deal that is sour for consumers, for taxpayers, and for
businesses across the country. For consumers, those who use sugar, high
prices mean they are paying an additional $3.5 billion a year. For
taxpayers, low sugar prices mean bailouts rising to hundreds of
millions of dollars. For businesses, for those who use and consume
sugar in the food industry, high sugar prices place them at a distinct
disadvantage to foreign competition.
The Department of Commerce estimates that 127,000 jobs were lost in
food industries between 1997 and 2011. There are 600,000 jobs across
the country at risk.
My resolution does not repeal the sugar program. It is very modest
reform, modest reform that would allow the Secretary of Agriculture to
stabilize the price of sugar. Stabilizing the price isn't just good for
consumers, it is good for farmers who can rely on a more constant price
and not be subject to wild swings in the market.
With the truth about the sugar program even more clear now, it is
time we had an honest debate about fairness in our agriculture
programs. This does not require the import of a single additional pound
of sugar. It gives the Secretary flexibility to meet domestic demand.
So I urge Members to support the resolution and support the rule.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, at this time I am very proud to yield 2
minutes to the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Peterson), the ranking
member of the Agriculture Committee.
Mr. PETERSON. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, I reluctantly rise to oppose this motion because we have
been trying to get this farm bill resolved since May of 2010, back when
I was still chairman of the committee, so we have been working on it
this long and we need to get this resolved. But what is being done here
today is unprecedented as far as I can tell in the history of the
House, where we are giving these two sense of the Congress resolutions
to the majority.
From what I can tell, this has never been done before, and we are re-
litigating issues that were settled on the floor of the House when we
debated the farm bill. These motions take a contrary position to the
position that the House took, so we are going to be voting to go
against the position that we took here just a couple of months ago. So
that is my problem with this.
Historically, the minority gets a motion to instruct, and that has
been the way it has been. In all the years that I have been here, that
is the way it has been. But there's never been a situation like this. I
think it is a bad precedent. It is going to be confusing to people, and
we need to get to conference to get this resolved.
Given the way this conference appears it is going to be put together,
I am not so optimistic that it is going to work because you are
bringing people from outside of the committee into this process, which
is what blew this thing up in the first place in June. And it's not
going to make anything easier.
We are going to work together and try to get this resolved, but the
way all this is coming down is making our job a lot harder, rather than
a lot easier, which is the wrong direction, as far as I am concerned.
So I encourage Members to oppose this rule. This is unprecedented. It
is apparently being done because that is the only way they can get the
votes. And we are doing a lot of things around here because of that,
and that is not the way we should do things.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, H.R. 2642 makes commonsense, market-oriented reforms to
agricultural policy, which is why it is time to begin conversations
with our Senate colleagues on a path forward that ultimately gets these
important reforms enacted into law.
This bill isn't perfect, but it puts us on a path to provide
certainty to America's farmers and ranchers by adopting a 5-year farm
bill that will actually become law.
This measure is the result of more than 3 years of debate and
discussion, including 46 hearings and a 2-year audit of every farm
program. The bill repeals or consolidates more than 100 programs
administered by the United States Department of Agriculture, including
direct payments.
It eliminates and streamlines duplicative and overlapping
conservation programs and trims traditional farm policy by almost $23
billion. The bill eliminates direct payments and ensures no payments
are made to those who do not actually farm.
The bill also provides regulatory relief for farmers and ranchers. It
eliminates a duplicative permitting requirement for pesticides and
prohibits the EPA from implementing the unjustified and unscientific
biological opinions of the National Marine Fisheries Service until
there is an unbiased, scientific peer review of those opinions.
The bill requires regulatory agencies across the government to use
scientifically sound information in moving forward with their
regulatory initiatives. It requires the Secretary of Agriculture to
advocate on behalf of the
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farmers and ranchers as other agencies move forward with regulations
affecting food and fiber.
The bill also eliminates duplicative reporting requirements for seed
importers.
Finally, H.R. 2642 repeals the underlying 1949 permanent law and
replaces it with the 2013 farm bill. This is important, Mr. Speaker,
because without reauthorization farm policy will revert to permanent
statutes established in the 1938 and 1949 laws which are drastically
different from current programs.
The permanent statutes exclude many commodities such as rice,
soybeans, and peanuts; set support prices much higher than current
levels; and prevent new enrollment in various conservation programs.
Permanent agriculture law established by the Agriculture Adjustments
Act of 1938 and the Agriculture Act of 1949 does not reflect current
farming and marketing practices, trade agreements or market
circumstances.
Farmers, as well as taxpayers, will benefit from a modernized bill.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to associate myself with the remarks of the
ranking member on the Ag Committee, Mr. Peterson, when he talks about
kind of how unusual this process is with the sense of Congress
resolutions that are put into this rule, basically, to instruct
conferees on what to do.
It is highly unusual that the majority gives itself two of these
sense of Congress resolutions. But this whole process has been really
strange.
I would just say to my colleagues, I come to this floor every week
and I talk about the issue of hunger and food insecurity in America.
There are 50 million people who are hungry; 17 million are kids. I
think it is something we all should be ashamed of.
I am on the Agriculture Committee, as well as being on the Rules
Committee. I am on the Subcommittee on Nutrition. I was anxious to get
on that committee so I could talk about the importance of a social
safety net, about the importance of making sure that people in this
country have enough to eat. Much to my surprise, Mr. Speaker, the
Subcommittee on Nutrition held a total of zero hearings on SNAP. The
full committee held no hearings.
Then, even more surprising, Mr. Speaker, was that the nutrition title
wasn't even written in the Agriculture Committee. It was written in the
majority leader's back room somewhere by God knows who wrote this
thing. But it never came to the Agriculture Committee.
It was never brought up for a hearing. There was no markup. There
were no amendments that were to be offered. And then it showed up at
the Rules Committee magically and was brought to this floor, a $40
billion cut that would throw 3.8 million people off the program, that
would throw 170,000 veterans off the program.
No hearings, nothing. Nothing.
And my colleagues like to talk about regular order. That is not
regular order. That is blowing up the whole process.
If my friends have concerns about the SNAP program, which, by the
way, is the most efficiently and effectively-run Federal program we
have, with one of the lowest error rates--I wish the Department of
Defense had those kind of low error rates--then you hold a hearing.
You talk to the people who are on the program. You talk to the people
who administer the program. You do this thoughtfully. You do it so that
people who don't deserve to get the benefit don't get it, and people
who deserve to get it get it.
But my friends come to the floor with this sledgehammer approach,
this mindless approach of just gutting the program, close to $40
billion.
We are slowly but surely getting out of this terrible economy, and as
we do, fewer and fewer people will be on the program.
That is the way it works. When the economy is good, fewer people need
the benefit. When the economy is bad, more people need the benefit.
But to pull the rug right from underneath people who are still
struggling--my friends say all we want to do is make sure that able-
bodied people who can work, work. Well, most of the people who are able
to work, work, who are on SNAP, but they earn so little that they
qualify for this benefit.
If my friends want to help lift people off the program, raise the
minimum wage. But there is something wrong in this country when you
have got people working full time and earning so little that they are
still in poverty. That is what we should be addressing.
But rather than going through regular order, rather than having the
Agriculture Committee, the committee of jurisdiction, come up with a
proposal, the majority leader takes this in his own hands and does it
on his own and brings it to the floor, and we are all supposed to just
take it.
I want to, again, thank the handful of Republicans that had the guts
to stand up and do the right thing and vote against it. We came very
close to defeating it.
But I will tell my friends right now that people like me are not
going to support a farm bill that makes more people hungry in America.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I respect my colleague from Massachusetts, and it is
obvious that every time we have anything on this floor or in the Rules
Committee where we are dealing with the subject of hunger that he is
extraordinarily passionate about the issue.
Mr. Speaker, Republicans care about Americans who are hungry. We care
about hunger issues. He makes it sound as though we are heartless
people. We are not.
What we are doing here is our best to preserve the program for the
truly needy and those who are hungry in this country.
My colleague says it is the most efficiently and effectively-run
program in the country, with low error rates. That is not what the
research shows. It isn't even what TV programs find out on their own
with very little research.
They go out and they find the terrible abuse with the program, the
SNAP program, which used to be called the food stamp program, but it
was given this Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program name some time
ago to get away from the term ``food stamps.'' But that is what it is.
It is a food stamp program.
Almost everybody in this country knows of people who have abused the
program. Now, we don't want to deny help to truly needy people. If we
can make these reforms in this program, Mr. Speaker, we have a chance
to preserve the entire program for those who truly need it.
Mr. Speaker, H.R. 3102, the Nutrition Reform and Work Opportunity Act
of 2013, as I said, is designed to preserve the integrity of the SNAP
program, or food stamps for families, and especially for children who
rely on food stamps. Its cost-saving reforms are a step in the right
direction and are long overdue out of respect for needy Americans and
taxpayers.
This bill makes the first reforms to the program since the Welfare
Reform Act of 1996, and these reforms were strengthened during a
rigorous amendment process on the House floor.
Despite media reports to the contrary, House Republicans are not
cutting SNAP for individuals who currently meet the program's
eligibility requirements. Instead, our reforms focus on eliminating
fraud and abuse that exist within the program and remove from the
programs individuals who do not qualify for the benefits.
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Mr. Speaker, I think that bears repeating. What we are doing is
eliminating fraud and abuse and removing from the program individuals
who do not qualify for benefits. That is what the American people
expect us to do in our oversight processes here.
Because of several well-documented and legally questionable efforts
by President Obama's Department of Agriculture and by the individual
States that administer the program, SNAP benefits have been extended to
a number of recipients who would not otherwise qualify. The growth in
SNAP spending caused by such expansion efforts will strain the safety
net until it breaks, necessitating much higher taxes and indiscriminate
cuts that would hit the poorest Americans the
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hardest. From a moral perspective, such an outcome would harm the very
people programs like SNAP are intended to help, and that is
unacceptable. That is why I voted for H.R. 3102 when it passed the
House on September 19.
The bill ensures benefits are reserved for legal recipients and
aren't directed to illegal immigrants.
The bill closes the ``heat-and-eat'' loophole related to electricity
bill assistance, gives States the authority to require drug testing for
recipients, and prohibits felons from receiving SNAP benefits.
H.R. 3102 reinstates work requirements for all able-bodied adults,
without dependents, receiving SNAP benefits.
An overextended, unchecked SNAP program won't be capable of serving
the citizens it is purposed to help. It is the job of this Congress to
ensure the program is held accountable as a steward of taxpayer dollars
and to provide a safety net for the needy.
For the first time, the House separated farm policy from the food
stamp program, which is only appropriate, as 80 percent of the so-
called ``farm bill'' in the past was spent on providing nutrition
assistance to needy families. The farm-only portion of the farm bill
authorizes farm programs through fiscal year 2018; however, H.R. 3102
authorizes appropriations for SNAP only through fiscal year 2016.
If enacted and if the two bills were addressed on 5-and 3-year
intervals, respectively, this would decouple SNAP from the
authorization of farm programs until 2031. Considering agriculture and
nutrition programs independently, going forward, will help take
politics out of the equation and allow for reforms that will sustain
both categories of programs in years to come.
With that, Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
I strongly disagree with the gentlelady's statement--strongly
disagree. My friend talks about oversight. There were no hearings--
none.
She talks about research somehow shows that there is lots of fraud,
waste, and abuse. What research? The Government Accountability Office
and the USDA have all documented fraud, waste, and abuse in the SNAP
program, and it is minimal--a little over a 2 percent error rate--and
much of that is underpayment. People are not getting what they are
entitled to.
Enough of this demonizing poor people; enough of diminishing their
struggle. We ought to do the right thing and make sure that people in
this country have enough to eat. That shouldn't be a radical idea.
At this time, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Oregon (Mr.
Blumenauer).
Mr. BLUMENAUER. I could not agree more with my friend from
Massachusetts, who has actually spent the time getting inside this
program. In fact, if the Republicans really care about hungry people in
this country, these legislative efforts are a strange way to show it.
They are restricting the ability of Governors to grant waivers in
places where people have no access to jobs. Governors, Republicans and
Democrats alike, have requested these waivers because people need help,
and the system couldn't meet their needs.
If they are concerned about fraud, waste, and abuse, look at the Crop
Insurance Program, which has a higher rate of abuse than the miniscule
amount with the food stamp program. And yet they are in the process not
of reforming crop insurance, but enriching it and putting in another
provision, the so-called ``shallow loss'' provision.
They are cutting benefits for poor people, increasing payments for
wealthy farmers, and not dealing with simple, commonsense reforms that
would give more value to the taxpayer--and not at the expense of the
neediest Americans.
This is kind of a through-the-looking-glass situation. There are two
proposals on the floor--``sense of Congress''--that I will probably
support.
I have worked on a bipartisan basis to try and reform the egregious
sugar program and to try and move in a modest sense to reform crop
insurance, but we can do far more. And I note that these have
bipartisan support.
It is outrageous that we are giving more money to farmers who need it
least, shortchanging farmers and ranchers in States like mine in
Oregon, cutting into the benefits for poor people who have no
alternative, and taking away the right of the Governor to provide
waivers for them.
It is an Alice-in-Wonderland situation that exemplifies the weird
space that we are in today.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. McGOVERN. I yield the gentleman an additional 30 seconds.
Mr. BLUMENAUER. If we would return to regular order, if we would have
honest debate on this floor about getting more value for taxpayers, we
could come forth with a farm bill at a fraction of what it costs now.
It would be better for farmers and ranchers. It would be better for
hunters and fishermen. It would be better for the environment and
better for the taxpayer.
I strongly hope that we will stop this Alice-in-Wonderland
experience, reopen the Federal Government, and get back to doing our
job right.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I am proud to yield 2 minutes to the
gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Speaker, I am opposed to this rule and the $40
billion in disastrous cuts to the food stamp program that the House
Republican majority is trying to make law.
This is a cut of $40 billion from the food stamp program. It goes
against decades of bipartisan support for the fight against hunger in
the United States. It is a reflection of how extreme today's Republican
Party has become. Even former Republican Senator Bob Dole has called
these egregious cuts ``an about-face on our progress fighting hunger.''
If these cuts become law, over 4 million of the Nation's poorest
citizens--children, seniors, veterans, and the disabled--would go
hungry in the United States of America, the most bountiful Nation in
the world. This is even as Republicans continue to give $90 billion in
crop insurance subsidies to some of America's wealthiest families and
agribusiness.
For food stamp recipients that include a family of four, if their
income is $23,000 or less, that would give them eligibility for food
stamps.
Let's talk about the Crop Insurance Program. You have got 26
beneficiaries of that program today who get at least a million dollars
in a subsidy from U.S. taxpayers. They do not have any income
threshold. They can get the money under any set of circumstances. And
the top 1 percent of most farm operators in the Nation each get
$220,000.
You want to talk about the most needy? These are not the most needy.
Cut out the $90 billion in the subsidies to the richest people in the
Nation.
The cuts are awful enough, but the majority's plan also includes
cruel, mean-spirited restrictions. For instance, it encourages
Governors to slash families from the food stamp rolls who cannot find
work or a job training program for 20 hours a week. It rewards these
Governors with half of the savings and allows them to use the money for
tax cuts for the wealthy or whatever else they want.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. McGOVERN. I yield the gentlewoman an additional 30 seconds.
Ms. DeLAURO. Even if the food stamp recipient, including parents with
young children and those with disabilities, is actively searching for a
job, the House majority would end their benefits.
This is immoral. It goes against the values that we hold dear in the
United States of America. Cutting 4 million Americans who live on the
edge while providing subsidies for the wealthiest is wrong, and I urge
my colleagues to oppose this rule and to oppose the cruelty that this
rule embodies.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, the rule and this legislation underlying it is not
designed to abuse or demonize poor people. What we are trying to do is
to save these programs for the truly needy.
Mr. Speaker, we are not simply doing oversight on the farm bill and
on agriculture issues. The House has been doing its job of oversight
throughout the Federal Government. We have been
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doing that throughout this entire session. We are looking to find
fraud, abuse, and waste in every program. It just happens that today we
are talking about this program.
But as you know, Mr. Speaker, almost every day we bring forth
legislation that will help us identify waste, fraud, and abuse and do
everything we can to protect hardworking taxpayers in this country who
are providing the funds to take care of the truly needy in this country
and to allow us to help those people, and that is what this legislation
does.
Mr. Speaker, the work of making these improvements and reforms to
longstanding Federal policy is not easy. I commend Chairman Lucas and
the members of the Agriculture Committee for their thoughtful work. I
was pleased to work with them and to have three commonsense amendments
included in H.R. 2642 when it passed the House.
The spending safeguard amendment will cap spending on the Farm Risk
Management Election program at 110 percent of CBO-predicted levels for
the first 5 years in which payments are disbursed.
And, Mr. Speaker, let me point out to my colleagues on the other side
of the aisle that this amendment passed with bipartisan support, as did
most of the amendments to that legislation.
In the event government's cost projections prove completely wrong,
the amendment will ensure taxpayers are not forced to automatically pay
the difference between Washington's mistake and reality.
My second amendment, the Sunset Discretionary Programs amendment,
will automatically end discretionary programs in the 2013 farm bill
upon expiration of the bill's 5-year authorization period. Many
programs authorized by the farm bill are authorized indefinitely. This
amendment will require Congress to justify a program's continued
existence and funding through regular reauthorization efforts.
As our national debt approaches $17 trillion, Mr. Speaker, Congress
simply cannot afford to add to the number of costly Federal programs
that are on autopilot. This was really an excellent amendment, Mr.
Speaker.
Finally, Congressman Keith Ellison, my Democrat colleague, and I
offered the crop insurance transparency amendment, which will require
the government to disclose the names of key persons or entities
receiving Federal crop insurance subsidies. Specifically, disclosure
would be required for Members of Congress and their immediate families,
Cabinet Secretaries and their immediate families, and entities in which
any of the preceding parties are majority stockholders. This
information is already recorded, but members of the public have to
petition the government under the Freedom of Information Act to acquire
the data.
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It shouldn't take a 4-year request for the American people to figure
out whether their leaders are receiving government farm subsidies. This
bipartisan amendment makes this information available to the public
without a FOIA request.
Mr. Speaker, we want transparency, and my amendment takes us much
closer to that. I appreciate Chairman Lucas' willingness to work with
me on these amendments, and I look forward to seeing them maintained
during the conference committee.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, let me just say to my colleague from North
Carolina that I look forward to the day when she and her Republican
colleagues bring to the floor a bill to go after fraud, waste, and
abuse in defense contracting; but, instead, they have chosen to go
after poor people and are not even giving them the benefit of a
hearing. There has been no hearing, no markup on this at all. This came
out of thin air in the majority leader's office. This wasn't even
brought to the committee of jurisdiction. This is astounding. My
friends are talking about reform. This isn't reform. This is a joke.
At this point, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms.
Jackson Lee).
Ms. JACKSON LEE. Let me thank the gentleman from Massachusetts and
the gentlelady who is managing this legislation and indicate that I
wish we did have, Mr. McGovern, a bipartisan mission like Mickey Leland
and Bill Emerson. If anybody remembers those late Members, they founded
the Select Committee on Hunger in order to stamp out hunger.
Mr. Speaker, I wish we had the kind of passion that drew Robert
Kennedy to Appalachia to show America that the hunger that existed in
this Nation was not a respecter of race or region--or maybe even the
sensitivity of Martin Luther King in the same year. Tragically, they
both lost their lives in 1968. He was galvanizing poor people to come
to Washington because they wanted jobs, because they wanted to eat.
Here we are on the floor of the House, Mr. McGovern, and I read from
the statement made from the gentleman of Iowa last night on the floor
that we need to start the long march to start to reform the expansion
of the dependency class. Who is in the dependency class? There are
charges that President Obama has put 48 million people on food stamps.
How has President Obama put 48 million people on food stamps?
People are hungry, and 16 percent of the poor people in America are
children. What our friends want to do with regard to reform is if you
get a school lunch and a school breakfast, that is not evident that
your family needs food stamps. So maybe this family is dysfunctional.
Maybe these mothers and fathers are desperate, so now you are going to
put them through another maze. You haven't documented that they are
fraudulently taking food stamps, but you are going to drop them off
food stamps and say, Guys, if you want to get out of your hospice bed
or if you want to get out of your sick bed or if you want to get out of
your disabled bed and if you have these children who are getting lunch
and breakfast, you have got to come and reapply, because there is
something ingrained about those who are getting a hand up or who are in
the dependency class.
I didn't say that. Robert Kennedy didn't say that.
Let's put a clean CR on the floor, by the way, to open the
government, and let's stop talking about the idea. I just can't
understand. We need a clean CR, and let's get it to the floor.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I am proud to yield 2 minutes to the
gentlewoman from Ohio (Ms. Fudge), who is the ranking member on the
Nutrition Subcommittee on the Agriculture Committee. It is the
subcommittee that should have held a hearing on this SNAP bill, but it
never did.
Ms. FUDGE. I thank my colleague, Mr. McGovern, for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, I just had the opportunity with 10 of my colleagues to
go to a community shelter today to serve lunch to some of the poorest
people in our community. The community shelter is So Others Might Eat,
and I listen to my colleagues talk about waste, fraud, and abuse.
I am disappointed and embarrassed to serve in a House in which we
would not want to take care of the poorest people in this Nation. Some
of the poorest people in our Nation, many of them children, seniors,
and veterans, depend on SNAP. SNAP puts food on the tables of
struggling parents who need to send their children to school properly
nourished. It also gives low-income working families--by the way, who
represent nearly half of all SNAP recipients--and seniors the necessary
support they need.
Last month, this House passed a bill that cut nearly $40 billion in
food stamps. It is both inappropriate and inexcusable to cut food
assistance when more than 7 percent of the Nation remains unemployed
and when we will not pass a jobs bill. Our economy is struggling to
produce enough jobs so that families can eat without needing this
assistance; and we all know that, beginning on November 1, SNAP
recipients will see a reduction in their benefits when the 2009
Recovery Act's temporary benefits end. According to the CBO, benefits
will be reduced by as much as $300 per year. This cut will result in
less food for more than 47 million Americans.
Mr. Speaker, at some point we have to be honest with ourselves. We
either have to believe that we are doing our jobs by taking care of the
people of this country or that we are only taking care of a few.
So I say to those of you who believe that all of this is about fraud,
waste,
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and abuse: go to the same shelter that I went to today. Go into your
neighborhoods and your communities, because we all have them. There are
poor people and hungry children everywhere. I want you to go and tell
them that it is okay for you to cut $40 billion in food stamps.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I am proud to yield 2 minutes to the
gentlewoman from California (Ms. Lee), a leader on this issue of food
security and on so many other issues to combat poverty.
Ms. LEE of California. Let me thank the gentleman for yielding and
for his determination to eliminate hunger, not only in our own country,
but throughout the world.
Mr. Speaker, there are 46 million Americans living in poverty, 16
million of whom are children. Instead of focusing on serious ways to
lift people out of poverty and into the middle class, Republicans have
insisted on placing a larger burden on the backs of the poor and the
most vulnerable, effectively kicking them while they are down. That is
what the Republicans' farm bill nutrition title did when it was passed
on September 19. It would have decimated the anti-poverty SNAP program
and would have left hundreds of millions of veterans, children,
seniors, and millions of working poor hungry and with nowhere to turn
for a meal. SNAP has one of the lowest fraud rates amongst government
programs.
House Republicans were unsuccessful in their attempts to pass a farm
bill this summer, so the Republican leadership doubled down on this
immoral stance, surrendered the governing of the House down to the
extreme Tea Party fringe of their party, and passed $40 billion in
cuts, which means cutting 24 meals a month for a family of four. This
would be in addition, I might add, to SNAP cuts already scheduled to go
into effect on November 1. This means about $29 less per month for food
for a family of three. These cuts to the SNAP program are really
heartless. Let me tell you that I know from personal experience that
the majority of people on food stamps wants a job that pays a living
wage, and SNAP provides this bridge over troubled waters during very
difficult times.
In my own congressional district, for example, over 22,000 households
would have been impacted in more than 1.6 million homes throughout
California. In 2011, SNAP lifted 4.7 million Americans out of poverty,
including 2.1 million children. In addition to feeding the Nation's
hungry, SNAP is vital to our economy. For every $1 increase in SNAP
benefits, we have received back in economic activity $1.70.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. McGOVERN. I yield the gentlelady an additional 30 seconds.
Ms. LEE of California. Without SNAP, millions of families would fall
into poverty while millions more Americans would suffer extreme hunger
and our economy would create even fewer jobs.
Let me remind you that millions of people on food stamps are working.
Their wages are stagnant and low. Many make less than $8 an hour; yet
they are working every day to feed their families. Paying billions in
farm subsidies and cutting SNAP benefits for the most vulnerable is not
a value that a majority of Americans embrace. Cutting SNAP benefits is
not the American way.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I am prepared to close whenever the gentleman
from Massachusetts is prepared, so I continue to reserve the balance of
my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Let me inquire of the gentlelady if she would be
willing to yield us a few minutes on this side because we have a lot of
speakers.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, we are prepared to close whenever the
gentleman from Massachusetts is prepared.
Mr. McGOVERN. I remember one time when I lent the gentlewoman a
couple of minutes.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr.
Crowley).
Mr. CROWLEY. I thank the gentleman from Massachusetts for yielding
this time.
Mr. Speaker, the Republicans continue to demonstrate just how far out
of whack their priorities are.
Here we are in the 11th day of the Republican government shutdown--a
shutdown for the sole purpose of denying health care to millions of
Americans. I guess America shouldn't be surprised. After all, last
month, the majority pushed through severe, painful cuts to the
nutrition programs for hungry families. We are now moving toward going
to a conference with the Senate on these damaging cuts. By insisting on
these nearly $40 billion in cuts, the Republicans have made clear where
they stand, even clearer where they don't stand.
Now, understand. I know that the gentlelady talks about the truly
needy, but what she is really saying is that the somewhat needy, the
sorta needy, the kinda needy, the ``needy'' needy need not apply
because they are not in need of food stamps. When you look at the
number of $20 billion, it was the original number, which is a block
number, and it was without consequences to who they would hurt.
When that failed, they said, What would work? Let's use $40 billion.
Yes, $40 billion will do it--a nice, neat number without any
consequences to who might get hurt. Someone had a bright idea on the
other side and said that this number will work, and it was without a
rationale for the number and without any understanding of what the
impact would be.
So we know where they stand. They don't stand with 900,000 veterans
who receive food assistance each month. They don't stand with 2.1
million children who have been kept out of poverty by the food stamp
program. They don't stand with the seniors who have to choose between
food and medicine--or with the families of disabled children or with
our military families who turn to food stamps to stretch their budgets.
Heaven forbid we suggest taking away subsidies from Big Oil or tax
breaks from owners of corporate jets.
What does that say about Republican priorities and their vision? The
fact is that their vision leads to a world in which millions more go
hungry.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. McGOVERN. I yield the gentleman an additional 15 seconds.
Mr. CROWLEY. In New York City alone, the Republicans' cut would
result in 130 million fewer meals. That is unacceptable to me, and it
ought to be unacceptable to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle.
The fact that it is not unacceptable tells us something we need to know
about our Republican colleagues' view of struggling families in this
country: they don't care about their struggles. They wouldn't recognize
a needy person if they tripped over him on the street outside the
Capitol.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I have to say that I would challenge my
colleagues on the other side of the aisle in terms of whether we
recognize poor people or not. Some of us probably grew up poorer than
anybody on the other side of the aisle. I am one of those people. I
have great empathy for people who are poor, but I am so pleased that we
live in the greatest country in the world in which we have the
opportunities to overcome poverty because of the great opportunities
that are given to us in the country.
With that, Mr. Speaker, in the spirit of comity and goodness, I yield
the 3 minutes that is requested of me to the gentleman from
Massachusetts (Mr. McGovern).
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without objection, the gentleman from
Massachusetts has an additional 3 minutes to control.
There was no objection.
Mr. McGOVERN. I want to thank the gentlelady from North Carolina for
her graciousness in allowing my side a few more minutes. I appreciate
it very much.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds.
If we defeat the previous question, I will offer an amendment to the
rule that will allow the House to vote on the Senate's clean continuing
resolution so that we can send it to the President for his signature
today and end this government shutdown.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of the
amendment into the Record, along with extraneous materials, immediately
prior to the vote on the previous question, and I urge my colleagues to
vote ``no'' and defeat the previous question.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Massachusetts?
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There was no objection.
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Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, at this time, I yield for a unanimous
consent request to the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Courtney).
Mr. COURTNEY. Mr. Speaker, in the spirit of goodness, I ask unanimous
consent that the House bring up the Senate amendment to House Joint
Resolution 59, the clean CR, and go to conference on a budget so that
we would end this idiotic government shutdown and not go on recess
later today. The American people expect us to act today.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under guidelines consistently issued by
successive Speakers, as recorded in section 956 of the House Rules and
Manual, the Chair is constrained not to entertain the request unless it
has been cleared by the bipartisan floor and committee leaderships.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure now to yield for a
unanimous consent request to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Tonko).
Mr. TONKO. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the House bring
up the Senate amendment to H.J. Res. 59, the clean CR, and go to
conference on a budget so that we end this Republican government
shutdown.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, it is now my pleasure to yield for a
unanimous consent request to the gentlewoman from Illinois (Ms. Kelly).
Ms. KELLY of Illinois. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the
House bring up the Senate amendment to House Joint Resolution 59, the
clean CR, and go to conference on a budget so that we may end this
irresponsible Republican government shutdown.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, at this time, I would like to yield for a
unanimous consent request to the gentlewoman from Ohio (Mrs. Beatty).
Mrs. BEATTY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the House
bring up the Senate amendment to H.J. Res. 59, the clean CR, and go to
conference on a budget so that we end this unnecessary Republican
shutdown.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield for the purpose of a unanimous
consent request to the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Kildee).
Mr. KILDEE. Mr. Speaker, I again ask unanimous consent that the House
bring up the Senate amendment to H.J. Res. 59, the clean CR, and go to
conference on a budget so that we can finally end this Republican
shutdown.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, a request
cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield for the purpose of a unanimous
consent request to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Danny K. Davis).
Mr. DANNY K. DAVIS of Illinois. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent
that the House bring up the Senate amendment to H.J. Res. 59, the clean
CR, and go to conference on a budget so that we end this Republican
government shutdown.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield for the purpose of a unanimous
consent request to the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson Lee).
Ms. JACKSON LEE. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the House
bring up the Senate amendment to H.J. Res. 59, the clean CR, and go to
conference on a budget so that we can end the Republican government
shutdown.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Texas (Mr.
Al Green) for the purpose of a unanimous consent request.
Mr. AL GREEN of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the
House bring up the Senate amendment to H.J. Res. 59, the clean CR, and
go to conference on a budget so that we can end this Republican
government shutdown.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield for the purpose of a unanimous
consent request to the gentlewoman from Illinois (Ms. Schakowsky).
Ms. SCHAKOWSKY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the House
bring up the Senate amendment to H.J. Res. 59, the clean CR, and go to
conference on a budget so that we can end this Republican government
shutdown.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Nevada (Mr.
Horsford) for the purpose of a unanimous consent request.
Mr. HORSFORD. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the House
bring up the Senate amendment to H.J. Res. 59, the clean CR, and go to
conference on a budget so that we can end this Republican government
shutdown now.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, at this time, I yield to the gentleman
from Minnesota (Mr. Nolan) for a unanimous consent request.
Mr. NOLAN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the House bring
up the Senate amendment to House Joint Resolution 59, the clean CR, so
that we can go to conference on a budget so we can end this Republican
government shutdown.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
North Carolina (Mr. Butterfield).
Mr. BUTTERFIELD. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, I support the idea of the House and Senate reconciling
their differences on the farm bill and going to conference. It is
certainly long overdue.
I caution, however, that I will not vote for deep cuts in the SNAP
program or the food stamp program, nor do I believe that Democrats will
vote to take food away from those Americans who suffer from food
insecurity. They have shut down the government, and now they want to
shut down food assistance to the most vulnerable, many of whom live in
my congressional district.
Open up the government, open up food banks, open up Meals on Wheels
for seniors, and give a hand to those who are hurting. It is good for
families, and it is good for farmers.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure now to yield 2 minutes
to the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Clyburn), the distinguished
Member of the Democratic leadership.
Mr. CLYBURN. I thank the gentleman for yielding me the time.
Mr. Speaker, I want to speak on this bill because I have worked very
hard over the years helping to put together various farm bills, and
this is one that I felt very, very good about from the outset. I even
felt okay when the bill came back from the Senate. Although I had some
issues with the Senate version, I thought that what we were doing made
some sense.
But we have reached a point with this bill--$40 billion in cuts to
the food stamp program--that will not only impact negatively those
people who would receive those stamps in fighting off poverty or
hunger, but it would do tremendous harm to various community outlets--
stores, family-owned markets--where so much of the income of small
businesses depend upon this program and what it will do to help further
the economy in various communities.
I am also very concerned that in this legislation, we treat the
recipients of food stamps as if they are responsible for what may or
may not have taken place with respect to drug addiction to children or
to siblings. I think there is something erroneous about drug testing in
order to receive food stamps. I
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think that if you are going to have drug testing to get Federal
assistance, then we ought to test all those people who get farm
subsidies and see whether or not they are deserving of such assistance
from the Federal Government.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. McGOVERN. I yield an additional minute to the gentleman from
South Carolina.
Mr. CLYBURN. Then I saw some reference as to whether or not people
who may have been convicted of a felony, what it would do to their
qualifications, as well as their family qualifications. At one
instance--I hope this is out of the bill--we talked about barring for
life a person who may be convicted of a felony. That is not the kind of
treatment our society ought to be visiting upon anybody who may or may
not have made a mistake early on in their lives.
So, Mr. Speaker, I do believe that there is much in this farm bill
that ought to be supported, but I really believe these extraneous
things ought to be taken out of this bill. We can't do it now, but I
would hope when it gets to conference that those cooler heads will
prevail, and we will have a compassionate piece of legislation that all
of us can support.
Parliamentary Inquiry
Mr. SCOTT of Virginia. Mr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary inquiry.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his parliamentary
inquiry.
Mr. SCOTT of Virginia. Mr. Speaker, several unanimous consent
requests have been offered and have been ruled out of order because
they have not been pre-cleared by bipartisan leadership. It is my
understanding that they have, in fact, been pre-cleared by the
Democratic side.
Would it be in order to ask the Republicans if they would pre-clear
the unanimous consent requests so that we can vote up or down on a
clean CR?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As indicated in section 956 of the House
Rules and Manual, it is not a proper parliamentary inquiry to ask the
Chair to indicate which side of the aisle has failed under the
Speaker's guidelines to clear a unanimous consent request.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I would like to inquire as to how much time is
remaining, and whether the gentleman from Massachusetts is prepared to
close?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Massachusetts has 1
minute remaining, and the gentlelady from North Carolina has 8\1/2\
minutes remaining.
Ms. FOXX. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, before I close, I yield to the gentleman
from Rhode Island (Mr. Langevin), for a unanimous consent request.
Mr. LANGEVIN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the House
bring up the Senate amendment to H.J. Res. 59, the clean CR, and go to
conference on a budget so that we can end this Republican government
shutdown. It is the right thing to do.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. As the Chair previously advised, that
request cannot be entertained absent appropriate clearance.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the remainder of my time.
I want to thank the gentlelady from North Carolina for yielding us
additional time. It is important, I think, that we be heard on these
issues.
One of the reasons why we are so passionate about reopening the
government is because this government shutdown is hurting people, and
it is hurting the most vulnerable people in our society the most.
One of the things that has troubled me about the direction the
Republican leadership has taken in this Congress is that it has become
unfashionable to worry about the poor and the vulnerable in this
people's House of Representatives. Time and time and time again, my
friends seek to balance the budget by cutting programs that help the
most vulnerable. The $40 billion cut in SNAP will throw 3.8 million
poor people off the program, it will throw children off the program, it
will throw working people off the program.
A lot of the people--contrary to what my friends say--who are on SNAP
work for a living, they work full time. If you are earning minimum wage
working full time, you still qualify for SNAP.
There are people in this country who are hurting, who are depending
upon us to be there, to make sure that there is a social safety net
that will make sure that people don't fall through the cracks.
One of the reasons we object to this nutrition provision in the farm
bill is because it will hurt people--it will hurt people. We were sent
here to help people. This used to be a bipartisan issue. Democrats and
Republicans need to join together on this.
I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on the previous question and vote
``no'' on the rule.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, Republicans want to see the government reopen
also. We have sent many pieces of legislation over to the Senate, but
the Senate has refused to act on them. We hope very much to get the
government open again.
We are not opposed to helping the truly needy in this country. We
want to help those people. We believe by reforming the legislation
related to food stamps that we will be able to save the program for the
truly needy.
Mr. Speaker, negotiations are an absolute necessity in a divided
government, and conference committees provide an avenue for the House
and Senate to meet and resolve policy differences.
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Therefore, I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule, to
provide a motion to go to conference on the farm bill so we can move
the reauthorization process forward.
The material previously referred to by Mr. McGovern is as follows:
An Amendment to H. Res. 380 Offered By Mr. McGovern of Massachusetts
At the end of the resolution, add the following new
sections:
Sec. 4. Immediately upon adoption of this resolution the
joint resolution (H.J. Res. 59) making continuing
appropriations for fiscal year 2014, and for other purposes,
with the House amendment to the Senate amendment thereto,
shall be taken from the Speaker's table and the pending
question shall be, without intervention of any point of
order, whether the House shall recede from its amendment and
concur in the Senate amendment. The Senate amendment shall be
considered as read. The question shall be debatable for one
hour equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking
member of the Committee on Appropriations. The previous
question shall be considered as ordered on the question of
receding from the House amendment and concurring in the
Senate amendment without intervening motion or demand for
division of the question.
Sec. 5. Clause 1(c) of rule XIX shall not apply to the
consideration of H.J. Res. 59 as specified in section 4 of
this resolution.
THE VOTE ON THE PREVIOUS QUESTION: WHAT IT REALLY MEANS
This vote, the vote on whether to order the previous
question on a special rule, is not merely a procedural vote.
A vote against ordering the previous question is a vote
against the Republican majority agenda and a vote to allow
the Democratic minority to offer an alternative plan. It is a
vote about what the House should be debating.
Mr. Clarence Cannon's Precedents of the House of
Representatives (VI, 308-311), describes the vote on the
previous question on the rule as ``a motion to direct or
control the consideration of the subject before the House
being made by the Member in charge.'' To defeat the previous
question is to give the opposition a chance to decide the
subject before the House. Cannon cites the Speaker's ruling
of January 13, 1920, to the effect that ``the refusal of the
House to sustain the demand for the previous question passes
the control of the resolution to the opposition'' in order to
offer an amendment. On March 15, 1909, a member of the
majority party offered a rule resolution. The House defeated
the previous question and a member of the opposition rose to
a parliamentary inquiry, asking who was entitled to
recognition. Speaker Joseph G. Cannon (R-Illinois) said:
``The previous question having been refused, the gentleman
from New York, Mr. Fitzgerald, who had asked the gentleman to
yield to him for an amendment, is entitled to the first
recognition.''
The Republican majority may say ``the vote on the previous
question is simply a vote on whether to proceed to an
immediate vote on adopting the resolution . . . . . [and] has
no substantive legislative or policy implications
whatsoever.'' But that is not what they have always said.
Listen to the Republican Leadership Manual on the Legislative
Process in the United States House of Representatives, (6th
edition, page 135). Here's how the Republicans describe the
previous question vote in their own manual: ``Although it is
generally not possible to amend the rule because the majority
Member controlling the time will not yield for the purpose of
offering an amendment, the same result may be achieved by
voting down the previous question on the rule . . . . . When
the motion for the previous question is defeated,
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control of the time passes to the Member who led the
opposition to ordering the previous question. That Member,
because he then controls the time, may offer an amendment to
the rule, or yield for the purpose of amendment.''
In Deschler's Procedure in the U.S. House of
Representatives, the subchapter titled ``Amending Special
Rules'' states: ``a refusal to order the previous question on
such a rule [a special rule reported from the Committee on
Rules] opens the resolution to amendment and further
debate.'' (Chapter 21, section 21.2) Section 21.3 continues:
``Upon rejection of the motion for the previous question on a
resolution reported from the Committee on Rules, control
shifts to the Member leading the opposition to the previous
question, who may offer a proper amendment or motion and who
controls the time for debate thereon.''
Clearly, the vote on the previous question on a rule does
have substantive policy implications. It is one of the only
available tools for those who oppose the Republican
majority's agenda and allows those with alternative views the
opportunity to offer an alternative plan.
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I
move the previous question on the resolution.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on ordering the previous
question.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. For what purpose does the gentleman from
Maryland seek recognition?
Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, many of my colleagues on either side of the
aisle have stated their preference for, as the gentlelady from North
Carolina said, opening the government. They want to open the government
as soon as possible and would vote for a clean bill.
Mr. Speaker, we can have that vote right now. I would like to give my
colleagues the opportunity to be heard right now in this Chamber and
show the American people whether they want to reopen the government
today or not.
Mr. Speaker, as a result, I request that this vote be conducted by a
rollcall under clause 2 of House rule XX.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Those in favor of the yeas and nays will
rise and be counted.
A sufficient number having arisen, the yeas and nays are ordered.
In response to the gentleman from Maryland, under clause 2(a) of rule
XX, a record vote is conducted by electronic device unless the Speaker
directs otherwise. This vote will be conducted by electronic device.
Parliamentary Inquiry
Mr. HOYER. Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his parliamentary
inquiry.
Mr. HOYER. Does that mean if you ruled that we would take the vote in
the manner in which I requested, that we would do so?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. It is the Speaker's discretion, and the
Chair advises that this vote will be conducted by electronic device.
Pursuant to clause 9 of rule XX, the Chair will reduce to 5 minutes
the minimum time for any electronic vote on the question of adoption.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 219,
nays 193, not voting 19, as follows:
[Roll No. 543]
YEAS--219
Aderholt
Amash
Amodei
Bachus
Barletta
Barr
Barton
Benishek
Bentivolio
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Bridenstine
Brooks (AL)
Brooks (IN)
Broun (GA)
Buchanan
Bucshon
Burgess
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Cassidy
Chabot
Chaffetz
Coffman
Cole
Collins (GA)
Collins (NY)
Conaway
Cook
Cotton
Cramer
Daines
Davis, Rodney
Denham
Dent
DeSantis
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Ellmers
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gardner
Garrett
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gibson
Gingrey (GA)
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grimm
Guthrie
Hall
Hanna
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Hastings (WA)
Heck (NV)
Hensarling
Holding
Hudson
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurt
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Joyce
Kelly (PA)
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kinzinger (IL)
Kline
Labrador
LaMalfa
Lamborn
Lance
Lankford
Latham
Latta
LoBiondo
Long
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Marchant
Marino
Massie
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McHenry
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
Meadows
Meehan
Messer
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Mullin
Mulvaney
Murphy (PA)
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Nunnelee
Olson
Palazzo
Paulsen
Pearce
Perry
Petri
Pittenger
Pitts
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Radel
Reed
Reichert
Renacci
Ribble
Rice (SC)
Rigell
Roby
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross
Rothfus
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Salmon
Sanford
Schock
Schweikert
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (MO)
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Southerland
Stewart
Stivers
Stockman
Stutzman
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Turner
Upton
Valadao
Wagner
Walberg
Walden
Walorski
Weber (TX)
Webster (FL)
Wenstrup
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Williams
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Woodall
Yoder
Yoho
Young (AK)
Young (IN)
NAYS--193
Andrews
Barber
Barrow (GA)
Bass
Beatty
Becerra
Bera (CA)
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Bonamici
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown (FL)
Brownley (CA)
Bustos
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardenas
Carney
Carson (IN)
Cartwright
Castor (FL)
Castro (TX)
Chu
Cicilline
Clarke
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Courtney
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis, Danny
DeFazio
DeGette
Delaney
DeLauro
DelBene
Deutch
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duckworth
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Enyart
Eshoo
Esty
Farr
Fattah
Foster
Frankel (FL)
Fudge
Gabbard
Gallego
Garamendi
Garcia
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hahn
Hanabusa
Hastings (FL)
Heck (WA)
Himes
Hinojosa
Holt
Honda
Horsford
Hoyer
Huffman
Israel
Jackson Lee
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kaptur
Keating
Kelly (IL)
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilmer
Kind
Kirkpatrick
Kuster
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren
Lowenthal
Lowey
Lujan Grisham (NM)
Lujan, Ben Ray (NM)
Lynch
Maffei
Maloney, Carolyn
Maloney, Sean
Matheson
Matsui
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McNerney
Meeks
Meng
Michaud
Miller, George
Moore
Moran
Murphy (FL)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Negrete McLeod
Nolan
O'Rourke
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Payne
Perlmutter
Peters (CA)
Peters (MI)
Peterson
Pingree (ME)
Pocan
Polis
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rahall
Rangel
Richmond
Roybal-Allard
Ruiz
Ruppersberger
Ryan (OH)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schneider
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell (AL)
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Sinema
Sires
Smith (WA)
Speier
Swalwell (CA)
Takano
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Titus
Tonko
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Vargas
Veasey
Vela
Velazquez
Visclosky
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Yarmuth
NOT VOTING--19
Bachmann
Clay
Coble
Crawford
Crenshaw
Culberson
Gohmert
Granger
Herrera Beutler
Higgins
Jeffries
Jordan
McCarthy (NY)
Pelosi
Runyan
Rush
Scalise
Slaughter
Young (FL)
{time} 1540
Mr. GARCIA changed his vote from ``yea'' to ``nay.''
Messrs. BRADY of Texas and MEEHAN changed their vote from ``nay'' to
``yea.''
So the previous question was ordered.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the resolution.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Recorded Vote
Mr. McGOVERN. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. This is a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 223,
noes 189, not voting 19, as follows:
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[Roll No. 544]
AYES--223
Aderholt
Amash
Amodei
Bachus
Barber
Barletta
Barr
Barton
Benishek
Bentivolio
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Bridenstine
Brooks (AL)
Brooks (IN)
Broun (GA)
Buchanan
Bucshon
Burgess
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Cassidy
Chabot
Chaffetz
Coffman
Cole
Collins (GA)
Collins (NY)
Conaway
Cook
Cotton
Cramer
Daines
Davis, Rodney
Denham
Dent
DeSantis
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Ellmers
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Garamendi
Gardner
Garrett
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gibson
Gingrey (GA)
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grimm
Guthrie
Hall
Hanna
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Hastings (WA)
Heck (NV)
Hensarling
Holding
Hudson
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurt
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Joyce
Kelly (PA)
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kinzinger (IL)
Kline
Labrador
LaMalfa
Lamborn
Lance
Lankford
Latham
Latta
LoBiondo
Long
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Maffei
Marchant
Marino
Massie
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McHenry
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
Meadows
Meehan
Messer
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Mullin
Mulvaney
Murphy (PA)
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Nunnelee
Olson
Owens
Palazzo
Paulsen
Pearce
Perry
Petri
Pittenger
Pitts
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Radel
Reed
Reichert
Renacci
Ribble
Rice (SC)
Rigell
Roby
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross
Rothfus
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Salmon
Sanford
Schock
Schweikert
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (MO)
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Southerland
Stewart
Stivers
Stockman
Stutzman
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Turner
Upton
Valadao
Wagner
Walberg
Walden
Walorski
Weber (TX)
Webster (FL)
Wenstrup
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Williams
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Woodall
Yoder
Yoho
Young (AK)
Young (IN)
NOES--189
Andrews
Barrow (GA)
Bass
Beatty
Becerra
Bera (CA)
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Bonamici
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown (FL)
Brownley (CA)
Bustos
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardenas
Carney
Carson (IN)
Cartwright
Castor (FL)
Castro (TX)
Chu
Cicilline
Clarke
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Courtney
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis, Danny
DeFazio
DeGette
Delaney
DeLauro
DelBene
Deutch
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duckworth
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Enyart
Eshoo
Esty
Farr
Fattah
Foster
Frankel (FL)
Fudge
Gabbard
Gallego
Garcia
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hahn
Hanabusa
Hastings (FL)
Heck (WA)
Himes
Hinojosa
Holt
Honda
Horsford
Hoyer
Huffman
Israel
Jackson Lee
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones
Kaptur
Keating
Kelly (IL)
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilmer
Kind
Kirkpatrick
Kuster
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren
Lowenthal
Lowey
Lujan Grisham (NM)
Lujan, Ben Ray (NM)
Lynch
Maloney, Carolyn
Maloney, Sean
Matheson
Matsui
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McNerney
Meeks
Meng
Miller, George
Moore
Moran
Murphy (FL)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Negrete McLeod
Nolan
O'Rourke
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Payne
Perlmutter
Peters (CA)
Peters (MI)
Peterson
Pingree (ME)
Pocan
Polis
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rahall
Rangel
Richmond
Roybal-Allard
Ruiz
Ruppersberger
Ryan (OH)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schneider
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell (AL)
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Sinema
Sires
Smith (WA)
Speier
Swalwell (CA)
Takano
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Titus
Tonko
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Vargas
Veasey
Vela
Velazquez
Visclosky
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Yarmuth
NOT VOTING--19
Bachmann
Clay
Coble
Crawford
Crenshaw
Culberson
Gohmert
Granger
Herrera Beutler
Higgins
Jeffries
Jordan
McCarthy (NY)
Pelosi
Runyan
Rush
Scalise
Slaughter
Young (FL)
{time} 1551
So the resolution was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
Stated for:
Mrs. BACHMANN. Mr. Speaker, I was not present during roll No. 544, on
agreeing to H. Res. 380. Had I been present, I would have voted
``aye.''
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