[Congressional Record Volume 159, Number 24 (Thursday, February 14, 2013)]
[Senate]
[Pages S737-S747]
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Sequester Impact
Ms. MIKULSKI (Ms. Heitkamp). Madam President, while we are waiting to
take up some other important legislation, I wanted to come to the floor
to speak on another very important matter.
What I wish to talk about is sequester. ``Sequester'' is a nine-
letter word that would be a big hit in a Scrabble game, but it is a
lousy word for the game of life and the functioning of our economy.
Sequester is a technique we are going to use as Washington-speak for
saying we will have, starting March 1, across-the-board cuts that will
be devastating to our economy and to the functioning of government. I
just held a hearing this morning in my full Appropriations Committee
about the consequences of these cuts. It is really scary. We are going
to cut defense. It is going to have a negative impact on our readiness.
At the same time, people building some of the smart weapons for the
future, such as shipyard workers, over several thousand of them, could
be laid off.
Not only must we protect our military from these devastating cuts,
but there are others who wear the uniform of the United States of
America who protect us. For example, we have 57,000 Border Patrol
guards who could be laid off. We also have people who run our weather
satellites who help provide the important information to warn for
tornadoes, to warn for hurricanes, to warn for these terrible blizzards
so that local governments can efficiently prepare. Then there are
terrible cuts in the area particularly of education.
We need to be able to come up with $86 billion to cancel this year's
sequester. That is $86 billion--``b'' as in Barbara, not ``m'' as in
Mikulski. We have less than 2 weeks to do that.
Now, as the full chair of the Appropriations Committee, working with
our Democratic leadership and our very able chair of the Budget
Committee, Senator Murray, as well as Senator Baucus, the chair of the
Finance Committee, as well as other people in the Senate, we have been
able to come up with an alternative. It offers a balanced approach to
revenues as well as to cuts.
Our proposal will include reforms to the Tax Code and save $55
billion. At the same time, what we will be able to do is come up with
cuts in spending. One will be $28 billion of cuts in the farm bill and
then another $27 billion in defense.
Now, before people worry and before Iran gets any funny ideas--or
anybody who is a foe of the United States--that we are going wimpy or
soft, the answer is no. These cuts will not go into effect until 2015,
after we have brought our troops back home from Afghanistan. Then they
will be spread out over 8 years until 2021. So we won't impact
readiness. If there is a foreign predator, don't think we are weakening
ourselves. What we are doing is looking at ways the Defense Department
can get rid of some of these programs that are now dated, some of the
weapons systems that are no longer as relevant as they once were, as we
modernize.
So between the mandatory spending cuts in the farm bill and in
defense, we will cut spending by $55 billion. So we take $55 billion in
cuts and $55 billion in revenue, and this will give us the $110 billion
to be able to deal with this problem.
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I am really jazzed about sequester. I represent some of the great
iconic Federal agencies in the State of Maryland. I have 1,000 Federal
employees. People say: Oh, we know them. Aren't those the pointy-headed
bureaucrats who only do heavy lifting by getting a latte in the
morning? The answer is absolutely not. Let me tell my colleagues who
those people are, and I am really proud of them.
They run the Social Security Administration. They make sure the
checks go out on time. They are doing all the actuarial work. They are
making sure Social Security is relevant, financially solvent, and far
more efficiently run, with lower overhead than an insurance company.
I represent the National Institutes of Health, whose sole job is to
find cures for the diseases affecting the American people. Right this
very minute we are working on the cure for Alzheimer's, with a
cognitive stretch-out of Alzheimer's. My dear dad died of that. I know
the consequences. It is a terrible heartbreak for the family, and I
will tell my colleagues that it is a budget-buster when one has to turn
to long-term care. If we can keep the funding going and if we can have
that breakthrough, if we can even find a cognitive stretch-out for 3 to
5 years for people going into nursing homes, we could cut our Medicaid
budget in half because 80 percent of the money in our Medicaid budget
goes to paying for long-term care for people with Alzheimer's,
Parkinson's, Lou Gehrig's disease, or other diseases with neurological
impairments. We are being pound foolish to save nickels and dimes. We
need a long-term solution.
By the way, the sequester is supposed to happen every year for 9
years. It was to get us to the table so we could deal not only with our
debt and deficit--yes, we got that message, but the other message is
that we have to get America ready for the future. We have to create
jobs today and innovate for jobs tomorrow. That is at NIH. Those are
the people working there.
I represent three Nobel Prize winners who are civil servants, several
Nobel Prize winners over at Johns Hopkins. They are not only proud of
winning the prizes, but they want to help America win the markets--new
ideas for new products that will lead to new jobs.
We also have in my State the Federal Drug Administration. I wish the
Presiding Officer could come over there. There are 4,000 people working
there.
They say: Well, all those people. Yes, all those people. Again, there
are Ph.D.s and M.D.s, people with master's degrees, and what are they
working for? They are looking for new medical devices to help people,
the new breakthroughs in perhaps the next generation of the pacemaker.
They are taking ideas invented by the private sector, including a
new insulin pump that will help a diabetic person have a more active
life or even breakthroughs for neurological impairment for perhaps the
child with cerebral palsy--they are looking for safety and efficacy so
those products can move to clinical practice, to the marketplace, and
products we can sell to the world. There are many countries that could
never afford an FDA, but because they are FDA-certified in our country,
they will buy our products.
I am proud of that, that we are going to be the country that is
inventing cures for cancer. We only look at the ``a'' words: AIDS,
Alzheimer's, autism, arthritis. Just look at that. At the very time we
are looking to lay off people or furlough people at NIH, they have just
lowered the cancer rates in the United States by 12 percent--12
percent.
During the terrible fiscal cliff negotiations around New Year's, I
spoke to Dr. Francis Collins, who heads that agency. We were making
these announcements on how America leads the way to lower cancer rates
among its own people. Isn't that a great victory? At the same time, I
was telling him he could be heading into sequester or going over a
fiscal cliff.
Every day these 130,000 people are working to help America, whether
they are working with weather satellites, whether they are doing the
next generation of drug approval, whether they are running the Social
Security Administration, whether they are over at the National
Institute of Standards making sure American products have American
standards and not the Chinese standards--again, so we can manufacture
here and sell over there.
So I think sequester is a terrible thing. As the chair of the full
Appropriations Committee, I am working with our leadership to try to
deal with this issue, but I also say to the other side of the aisle,
let's come together. Let's work with our President. Let's have that
grand bargain through looking at tax reform, reviewing some of our
mandatory spending and how we can get savings out of that, as well as
targeted, strategic cuts. Let's get us on the right fiscal path, but
also let's get us on the path for innovation, for jobs today and jobs
tomorrow. We want to continue to lead the world, and we want to defend
ourselves not only against foreign predators who might wish to do us
harm but those other horsemen of the apocalypse who ride, such as
pestilence and disease, and we can do it. So let's saddle up and get
the job done.
Madam President, I yield the floor, and I note the absence of a
quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
The assistant bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order
for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Ms. Warren). Without objection, it is so
ordered.
Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent to join in a
colloquy with my colleague from South Carolina.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, there seems to be a lot of back and
forth and misinformation about where various Senators stand on the
issue of the Hagel nomination. I have a statement I will give in a few
minutes about why I am opposed to Senator Chuck Hagel to be Secretary
of Defense, but I think it is important to make a couple points. One is
that the distinguished chairman and I were here back in 1988.
In 1988, on December 16, John Tower was nominated to be Secretary of
Defense.
On January 25, 1989, his confirmation hearings began. On February 2,
1989, the committee postponed the confirmation vote after allegations
were raised. On February 8, the committee vote was delayed again until
February. February 23, he was voted out of the committee. March 10 was
the time where the Senate rejected the nomination by 53 to 47.
I was there. I saw. One of the worst things I have ever seen in the
history of the Senate, the way they dragged out Senator John Tower--a
good and decent man's reputation with allegation after allegation, all
of which turned out to be false. So I would like to inform my
colleagues, this is not the first time we have had a delay in the
confirmation of a Secretary of Defense.
I will be glad to go over what I saw, including allegations that were
thrown over the transom day after day, week after week. They destroyed
a good and decent man in Senator John Tower. So the allegation that
somehow we are dragging this out or delaying it, it is not the first
time in history, I will say to my dear friend, the chairman of the
Armed Services Committee.
Having said that, there are still questions outstanding. I believe
Senators have the right to have those questions answered. The Senator
from South Carolina and I, the Senator from New Hampshire had a
response from the President today on the question we had, but there are
other questions. But I think during the break is sufficient time to get
any additional questions answered. I will vote in favor of cloture on
the day we get back. I believe my colleagues would also--a number of my
colleagues would do the same.
I think that is a sufficient period of time to get answers to
outstanding questions. I think Senator Hagel, after that period of
time, deserves a cloture vote and an up-or-down vote on his nomination.
I ask if my colleague wants to comment.
Mr. GRAHAM. We reported Senator Hagel's nomination out at 5 o'clock.
I would argue that the hearing was interesting, I think at times
unnerving. Here it is Thursday. So there are some questions being asked
by our colleagues that I think are legitimate. Some are kind of
creating a new standard. I am confident, in the next week,
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unless there is some explosive bombshell that I cannot quite get my
hands around, I intend to vote for cloture and against the nomination.
I am one, along with Senator McCain, who believes filibustering should
be a rare thing.
But what we are doing is saying the debate time for Senator Hagel is
not yet over, since he just got reported out Tuesday at 5 o'clock. Put
yourself in the shoes of the colleagues who are not on this committee.
This has been a very controversial nominee. I will say the reason we
voted for Senator Kerry on the same day he got reported out of
committee and he got 97 votes, that all of us felt comfortable with the
nomination. There are very uncomfortable things about this nomination.
But having said that, I do believe that unless there is something new
that comes out, we should proceed to a vote, up or down. I am willing
to invoke cloture because I think, as Senator McCain said, the week
time period would give us a chance to answer these questions.
Let me inform my colleagues that just about an hour ago, there was a
press report that a speech was given by Senator Hagel--I can't remember
the group. But one of his aides posted--based on his notes what he had
said the next day on a Web site.
During that speech, according to this aide, Senator Hagel said the
U.S. State Department was an extension of the Israeli Government.
Things such as that are unnerving. There is at least one speech he gave
that he did not report that we think there is a copy of. We should get
it in the next few days. That is why I would oppose cloture today, vote
for it after the recess.
Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senator
from Tennessee, who also, in my view, is one of the great protectors of
the Senate, preserving its tradition and customs--I would ask if he has
a view on this issue. I wish to repeat: I would vote for cloture. The
Senator from South Carolina would vote for cloture. I would be
interested in the view of the Senator from Tennessee on this whole
issue.
Mr. ALEXANDER. I thank the Senator from Arizona. Probably the best
known function of the Senate--constitutional responsibility--is the
right of advise and consent. We take it very seriously. Here that means
we have to consider what happens. The Armed Services Committee, upon
which I do not have a chance to serve, completed its consideration of
Senator Hagel's nomination 2 days ago. Now it is before the whole body.
He is the President's appointee. The President has a right to appoint
people in whom he has confidence. But we have a constitutional
responsibility to consider the nominee.
A number of Republican Senators have questions, including the Senator
from Arizona, the Senator from South Carolina, that they would like to
have answered. I think they are entitled to that. I think if the shoe
were on the other foot and it were a Republican President making a
nomination, Democratic Senators would say the same thing: Give us a
reasonable amount of time to consider this nomination on the floor of
the Senate.
I have a little experience in that myself. The first President Bush
nominated me to be U.S. Education Secretary about 20 years ago. I
thought I was a fairly noncontroversial nominee, much less important
than the Secretary of Defense. But I remember very well, it was 87 days
between the time the President announced my nomination and the day on
which the Senate unanimously confirmed me.
There was, at the time, a Senator from Ohio named Metzenbaum, who for
whatever reason decided the Senate needed more delay to consider my
record and my background.
There is nothing new about this. I would respectfully suggest that
the majority leader's motion to cut off debate on Senator Hagel, made 2
days after his nomination comes to the floor of the Senate, is
premature.
Republican Senators have questions they would like to have answered.
I think they are entitled to do that. When we come back from recess, 10
days from now, I think that is sufficient time to consider those
questions. I will vote for cloture so we can have an up-or-down vote on
the President's nominee for the Secretary of Defense. I think the
President is entitled to that but not prematurely.
I thank the Senator from Arizona for yielding time.
Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, I note that the present occupant of the
chair is familiar with the rigors of this process as well. So I think
it is important to note. Again, I wish to say that it is one thing to
support or oppose a nominee, but I do not believe a nominee deserves a
dragged-out process. I think the Senator from Tennessee and the Senator
from Massachusetts would agree with me; that it might be a disincentive
in the future for well-qualified men and women who want to serve, who
see a process that is dragged out and allegations made and requirements
for disclosure that frankly are not required.
I note the presence of the majority leader on the floor, so I would
like to filibuster for an hour or so.
I yield to the majority leader.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The majority leader.
Mr. REID. Madam President, at the request of the Republicans, I ask
unanimous consent that at 4:15 today, the Senate proceed to vote on the
motion to invoke cloture on the Hagel nomination; that the time until
4:15 be equally divided between the two leaders or their designees. My
designee is Senator Levin.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
Mr. LEVIN. Reserving the right to object, I will not object because
of the assurances of my three friends from the other side of the aisle
stating that they plan on voting for cloture. They obviously said they
will not vote for cloture today, which is, I think, too bad because
there has been more than enough time in the last 2 days to read the
additional speeches that have been coming in.
The only argument that was raised beyond that, that I know of, has to
do with a payment from an equity fund. That was received. It has been
fully explained. It is a highly reputable fund that Senator Hagel was
an adviser to, similar to many other very reputable people. So I think
the continuation of what amounts to a filibuster, since 60-vote votes
are required to end debate, is too bad when there is a Secretary of
Defense who is leaving to go back to California, and we very much need
to have our new Secretary of Defense in place, given the circumstances
in this world.
We have a budget crisis in this country. Our sequester is confronting
us. That sequester will have a damaging effect on the Defense
Department, on the men and women in uniform, and on programs, the
equipment, the training they need to be ready for any kind of a
contingency.
So the delay in having a vote on cloture, to me, is a mistake, and we
ought to approve the ending of the debate today so we can get on with
the confirmation vote, which will be a majority vote. After there is a
cloture vote, debate is finally ended in this body, the final passage
of a bill or the vote on the nominee is a majority vote, not 60 votes.
So I am hoping there will be 60 votes today so we can get on with
approval of this nominee, hopefully shortly thereafter, and fill this
spot which is sitting there waiting to be filled.
We have North Korea exploding a nuclear device. We have a war going
on in Afghanistan. We need to have a Secretary of Defense in place. So
I hope there is not a delay. Following the vote today, I hope we do
invoke cloture, because I think there has been more than adequate time.
Surely, there has been time on the floor when we have had hour after
hour go by with no one who seeks to be recognized to speak.
I do hope that if the unanimous consent proposal is agreed to, there
will be 60 votes today. But if not, then there will be no alternative
but to have the vote when we come back. At that point, we would, of
course, look forward to the support, at least on cloture, of the three
Senators who have just spoken, our friends on the other side of the
aisle.
That is the best we can hope for. But that is my hope. I will not
object because of that.
Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, reserving the right to object. I will
not object, I will just respond to my friend. He is my dear friend. I
did not note that sense of urgency for 3 months when John Tower's
nomination was held in limbo by the then-majority
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Democrats. The Secretary of Defense post was vacant at that time as
well. So this is not the first time in history a Secretary of Defense
position has been vacant.
Again, I hope we can get this resolved, move forward. I think the
Senator from Michigan, my friend, understands we can get this issue
resolved on the day we return from the recess. Certainly, there are, I
believe, sufficient votes to invoke cloture at that time.
Mr. LEVIN. If the Senator from Arizona would yield for 1 minute, I do
not believe Senator Tower was filibustered. There was a delay in
getting to that vote. But I do not believe there was a requirement--I
may be wrong on this. I do not believe there was a filibuster for the
Secretary of Defense nominee at that time, and many Secretary of
Defense nominees have been approved in a matter of days, just the way
Senator Kerry was approved in a matter of days.
So circumstances differ nominee to nominee. I again will not object,
based on the statements which we have heard from my friends on the
other side of the aisle.
Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, I always enjoy some exchanges with my
friend, the chairman. But the fact is, as the chairman knows, that was
delayed and delayed and delayed. A new allegation came in, it was
delayed. A new allegation came in, it was delayed. All those
allegations turned out to be false. I will not rewrite history anymore,
except to say it was one of the more shameful chapters, in my view, in
the history of the Senate.
Again, I thank him. I am confident that within 1 week or so we will
probably have this vote completed. I do not object to the unanimous
consent request.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, how much time remains on either side?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. There will be 30 minutes on either side.
Mr. McCAIN. I yield myself 10 minutes.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. McCAIN. For all the years that I have known Senator Hagel, I have
known him to be an honorable man and a patriot in this Chamber and
elsewhere--overseas, in the field of battle. Senator Hagel has served
this country faithfully and with distinction.
We have our differences. Senator Hagel was and remains my friend.
There was a time when Senator Hagel and I saw the world and America's
role in it in much the same way.
When the Balkans were torn apart with mass atrocities and genocide,
Senator Hagel and I stood together with Senators Bob Dole and Joe
Lieberman to lend bipartisan support to President Clinton in taking
more forceful action to end the slaughter.
In May 1999, Senator Hagel said on this very floor why the United
States should intervene militarily in Kosovo:
But we also understand there are things worth going to war
for, there are things worth dying for. . . . When people are
being slaughtered at a rather considerable rate, and genocide
is occurring, and ethnic cleansing is occurring, and people
are being driven from their homes.
On and on.
What do we do now? The geopolitical consequences, the
humanitarian consequences involved in this are great.
He went on to say:
History has surely taught us that when you defer the tough
decisions, when you let the butchers continue and the tyrants
and dictators continue, it gets worse. And it has gotten
worse with Milosevic. For 10 years we've dealt with him. Four
wars he's started.
Et cetera.
I agreed with his statement at the time, and I still do. I think it
applies with greater or equal force to Syria today. I am not sure that
Senator Hagel believes that anymore.
When America was attacked on September 11, 2001, Senator Hagel and I
urged a strong American response to vanquish the enemies who attacked
us, beginning in Afghanistan. Two years later, President Bush decided
the United States may have to use force against Saddam Hussein in Iraq,
and then Senator Hagel and I voted to authorize the use of force in
Iraq.
Senator Hagel and I were often together in our criticism of the Bush
administration's conduct of the war in Iraq. We both were disturbed by
the apparent arrogance of then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and
his abject failure to respond to the clear fact that we were losing the
war in Iraq on the ground.
In August 2003 I urged President Bush to send more troops. The
Senator from South Carolina and I called for the resignation of the
Secretary of Defense, and we wanted to change our strategy, to replace
military and civilian leaders who were failing in their
responsibilities. Senator Hagel, on the other hand, believed we should
cut our losses and withdraw from Iraq.
Since that time, Senator Hagel has taken policy positions that I
believe call into question the quality of his professional judgment on
issues critical to national defense. I am also concerned that Senator
Hagel is ill-suited to lead the 2.5 million uniformed members of the
Armed Services and to ensure the sound management of an agency that has
an annual budget equal to the 17th largest economy in the world.
Of all the responsibilities of government, none is more fundamental
than providing for the Nation's defense. We must have the most
qualified and able person for the position, and having carefully
reviewed Senator Hagel's long public record, I find his nomination
wanting.
Senator Hagel's appearance before the Senate Armed Services Committee
failed to allay my concerns about his nomination. During the hearing he
repeatedly refused to give an assessment of his previous statements on
issues such as the troop surge in Iraq, the identification and
engagement of terrorist organizations, and his past rhetoric about our
allies. In response to these questions, he either assigned history the
task of judging the merit of his past statements and positions or
simply said:
If I had an opportunity to edit that, like many things I've
said, I would--I would like to go back and change the words
and the meaning.
History isn't likely to affirm Senator Hagel's declaration that the
decision to increase forces in order to wage a counterinsurgency in
Iraq, a decision that helped prevent our losing that war, he said was
the most dangerous foreign policy blunder since Vietnam.
It is quite obvious now that statement was histrionic, woefully
uninformed, and absurd. But I didn't raise it at Senator Hagel's
hearing for the satisfaction of an ``I told you so'' moment, but to
determine if Senator Hagel recognizes he was in error and, more
importantly, if that recognition informs his judgment today.
I wanted to know if he had learned from his mistakes. Unfortunately,
I am not confident that he has. After 2 weeks of reviewing his record,
my concerns about whether Senator Hagel is ready to serve as Secretary
of Defense have not diminished.
Nothing in Senator Hagel's background indicates he would effectively
manage the Department of Defense. In today's unprecedented environment
of fiscal uncertainty, ensuring that defense investment decisions
affecting an agency as massive and unwieldy as the Department of
Defense do not adversely impact our military readiness is enormously
challenging. It requires that the Secretary have, as Secretary Gates
and Secretary Panetta had, a proven track record of successfully
managing large and complex organizations. Senator Hagel has no
experience.
There are those of us who seek to cut waste, fraud, and abuse from
the Department of Defense. Senator Hagel seeks something else
entirely--to cut military capabilities that serve as tools to ensure
our continued engagement throughout the world in support of America's
interests and those of our allies.
In the eyes of the President, at least, Senator Hagel, however,
apparently is the right man to oversee the continuing drawdown of the
Armed Services. Over the past 4 years, the administration has pursued a
program of defense reductions that exceed those expected of a normal
post-war drawdown, cuts that have begun to directly undermine U.S.
global military power. Last week, Secretary Panetta said people would
stand by and deliberately hurt this country in terms of our national
defense by letting sequestration take place.
My doubts about Senator Hagel's suitability extend beyond his
prospective management of defense budgetary resources. The North
Koreans recently tested another nuclear weapon. Iraq is
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unraveling. The Iranians just rejected Vice President Biden's proposal
at the Munich Security Conference for one-on-one talks concerning
nuclear weapons. Libya, Mali, Tunisia, and Egypt are in various states
of unrest, for which we have no strategy. We are in the most unsettled
period since the end of the Cold War, and I have serious concerns as to
the quality of Senator Hagel's professional judgment and the acuity of
his views on critical areas of national security, including security in
East Asia and the Middle East.
His record on Iraq was particularly troubling. As I alluded to a
moment ago, in 2002 Senator Hagel voted to authorize the use of force
against Iraq. By 2006, his support for the war had diminished.
After Republican losses in the 2006 midterm elections, the Senator
wrote an opinion piece for the Washington Post under the title
``Leaving Iraq, Honorably,'' foreshadowing his opposition to the surge
and advocating ``a phased troop withdrawal from Iraq.'' When President
Bush announced his decision to surge troops in 2007, Senator Hagel
actively campaigned against it.
He voted in February 2007 in favor of a bill expressing opposition to
the surge and later in favor of measures to set a date certain for
withdrawal of troops from Iraq, an equally bad policy. Senator Hagel
wrote in his 2008 memoir, ``America: Our Next Chapter'' that ``history
. . . will show'' that his legislative efforts to oppose the surge
correctly framed the political matters at issue at the time.
Carl Levin, on the other hand, said in 2009:
In considering whether or not to surge troops in Iraq . . .
I think that history will show that President Bush reached
the right decision.
Senator Hagel advocated the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces from
Iraq by 2007 rather than negotiating an agreement for an enduring
presence of U.S. forces. The President ultimately did exactly what
Senator Hagel recommended, reportedly against the advice of military
leaders. In response to written questions on this matter, Senator Hagel
again stated that the complete withdrawal of U.S. troops in Iraq was
the right call and asserted that Iraq is in a better place today
because of it. That is another Orwellian statement.
In fact, since the withdrawal of our forces in 2011, the fragile
political accommodation made possible by the surge of 2007 has
unraveled over the past year. Al-Qaida in Iraq is remobilizing.
Iranian-backed Shiite militias are gaining strength. Meanwhile the
country is on the brink of civil war as protests against the Maliki
government draw thousands, Iranian aircraft are flying over Iraq with
weapons for Syria, and there are many other examples. Nevertheless,
Senator Hagel is equally quick to advocate full withdrawal from
Afghanistan despite conditions on the ground or the advice of military
commanders.
Senator Hagel's views on Iran are also profoundly troubling.
Consider, for instance, his recent set of incorrect and confused
responses to basic questions about President Obama's Iran policy during
his confirmation hearing last month, which one senior White House
official rightfully described as ``somewhere between baffling and
incomprehensible.''
I am more deeply concerned by Senator Hagel's overall record on this
issue.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator's time has expired.
Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, I ask for 2 additional minutes.
Mr. INHOFE. Reserving the right to object, may I ask how much time
remains on our side?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. There is 19 minutes remaining.
Mr. INHOFE. I ask unanimous consent that the last two speakers on our
side--the last would be me, the next to last would be Senator Graham--
be given 5 minutes for Senator Graham and 7 minutes for me.
Mr. LEVIN. Reserving the right to object.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection--reserving the right to
object.
Mr. LEVIN. How much time remains on our side?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. There is 30 minutes remaining on each side.
Mr. LEVIN. I assume the 12 minutes the Senator referred to would be
counted against their time?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator is correct.
Is there objection?
Mr. LEVIN. No objection.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
The Senator from Arizona.
Mr. McCAIN. Finally, Senator Hagel's opposition to the use of
sanctions, his apparent confusion about administration policies and its
implications, and his apparent incomprehension of the threat a nuclear-
armed Iran poses to international stability is alarming and would cause
other nations to doubt the credibility of the President's commitments.
Senator Hagel is an honorable man who has sacrificed much and bravely
for our Nation. About his character and love of country, there can be
no doubt or debate. However, his positions on the principal national
security issues facing our country--the Iranian nuclear program, the
resurgent Islamist terrorist threat in North Africa and the Middle
East, and, more broadly, whether we should maintain our ability to
project strength in defense of our interests and allies'--indicate to
me a disqualifying lack of professional judgment. Also, Senator Hagel's
complete lack of experience in running an enterprise of such size and
complexity casts further doubt.
Therefore, despite my esteem for Senator Hagel, on the basis of his
record, I will not support his confirmation. I say this with regret,
but he is the wrong person at the worst time for the job this day. We
can and must do better.
I thank my colleagues.
I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Michigan.
Mr. LEVIN. Madam President, I yield 5 minutes to the Senator from
Florida.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Florida.
Mr. NELSON. Madam President, I wish to ask my colleagues to support
the Hagel nomination. Let me just hit a couple of highlights.
He volunteered to go into the Army during Vietnam. He was assigned to
Germany. He volunteered to go to Vietnam.
His brother was assigned in one part of Vietnam, he in another. His
brother Tom and he asked to be in the same unit. While on patrol in the
jungles at night, his brother saved his life. On another patrol at
night, he saved his brother's life. He was wounded twice. He was
medevaced. He asked to go back into the fight.
He has served as Deputy Administrator of the Department of Veterans'
Affairs with a quarter of a million employees under his management. He
represented the State of Nebraska in the Senate for 12 years. He
coauthored the post-9/11 GI bill with Senator Webb. Out of uniform and
away from Capitol Hill, he has lead the USO.
This is exceptionally capable man, who is a patriot, has given
extensive testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee. He has
cleared up the issues that have been asked over and over, including one
that was raised about his role in authoring the Global Zero
report. First, the report didn't propose anything. It was, in the words
specifically used in the front end of the report, ``illustrative,''
proposing nothing but laying out different scenarios and possibilities.
There was nothing that was proposed in a recommendation that we
unilaterally disarm, reduce the arsenal, or eliminate the triad. And
that would especially be so since another of the coauthors was General
Cartwright, the former commander of U.S. Strategic Command and the
eighth Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
This is a critical time for national defense. It is a critical time
for our country. We need to get on and approve the nomination so he can
get on with his duties as Secretary of Defense.
Madam President, I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from South Carolina.
Mr. GRAHAM. Madam President, I have 5 minutes. Would the Presiding
Officer let me know when 4 minutes has elapsed.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Yes.
Mr. GRAHAM. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed
in the Record an opinion piece by the editorial board for the
Washington Post dated December 18, 2012.
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There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in
the Record, as follows:
[From the Washington Post, Dec. 18, 2012]
Chuck Hagel is Not the Right Choice for Defense Secretary
Former Senator Chuck Hagel, whom President Obama is
reportedly considering for defense secretary, is a Republican
who would offer a veneer of bipartisanship to the national
security team. He would not, however, move it toward the
center, which is the usual role of such opposite-party
nominees. On the contrary: Mr. Hagel's stated positions on
critical issues, ranging from defense spending to Iran, fall
well to the left of those pursued by Mr. Obama during his
first term--and place him near the fringe of the Senate that
would be asked to confirm him.
The current secretary, Leon Panetta, has said the defense
``sequester'' cuts that Congress mandated to take effect Jan.
1 would have dire consequences for U.S. security. Mr. Hagel
took a very different position when asked about Mr. Panetta's
comment during a September 2011 interview with the Financial
Times. ``The Defense Department, I think in many ways, has
been bloated,'' he responded. ``So I think the Pentagon needs
to be pared down.''
While both Republicans and Democrats accept that further
cuts in defense may be inevitable, few have suggested that a
reduction on the scale of the sequester is responsible. In
congressional testimony delivered around the same time as Mr.
Hagel's interview, members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said
the sequester would lead to ``a severe and irreversible
impact on the Navy's future,'' ``a Marine Corps that's below
the end strength to support even one major contingency'' and
``an unacceptable level of strategic and operational risk''
for the Army.
Mr. Hagel was similarly isolated in his views about Iran
during his time in the Senate. He repeatedly voted against
sanctions, opposing even those aimed at the Iranian
Revolutionary Guard Corps, which at the time was
orchestrating devastating bomb attacks against U.S. troops in
Iraq. Mr. Hagel argued that direct negotiations, rather than
sanctions, were the best means to alter Iran's behavior. The
Obama administration offered diplomacy but has turned to
tough sanctions as the only way to compel Iran to negotiate
seriously.
Mr. Obama has said that his policy is to prevent Iran from
obtaining a nuclear weapon and that containment is not an
option. Mr. Hagel has taken a different view, writing in a
2008 book that ``the genie of nuclear weapons is already out
of the bottle, no matter what Iran does.'' The former senator
from Nebraska signed on to an op-ed in The Post this
September that endorsed ``keeping all options on the table''
for stopping Iran's nuclear program. But Mr. Hagel has
elsewhere expressed strong skepticism about the use of force.
We share that skepticism--but we also understand that,
during the next year or two, Mr. Obama may be forced to
contemplate military action if Iran refuses to negotiate or
halt its uranium-enrichment program. He will need a defense
secretary ready to support and effectively implement such a
decision. Perhaps Mr. Hagel would do so; perhaps he would
also, if installed at the Pentagon, take a different view of
defense spending. (Mr. Hagel declined through a spokesman to
speak to us about his views.)
What's certain is that Mr. Obama has available other
possible nominees who are considerably closer to the
mainstream and to the president's first-term policies. Former
undersecretary of defense Michele Flournoy, for example, is a
seasoned policymaker who understands how to manage the
Pentagon bureaucracy and where responsible cuts can be made.
She would bring welcome diversity as the nation's first
female defense secretary.
Mr. Hagel is an honorable man who served the country with
distinction as a soldier in Vietnam and who was respected by
his fellow senators. But Mr. Obama could make a better choice
for defense secretary.
Mr. GRAHAM. This is an editorial about the nomination of Senator
Hagel to be Secretary of Defense. The Washington Post said:
Mr. Hagel's stated positions of critical issues ranging
from defense spending to Iran fall well to the left of those
proposed by Mr. Obama during his first term and place him
near the fringe of the Senate that would be asked to confirm
him.
The last line is:
Mr. Hagel is an honorable man who served the country with
distinction as a soldier in Vietnam and who was respected by
his fellow Senators, but Mr. Obama can make a better choice
for defense secretary.
That sort of sums up where I am: a fine man. If it were about
friendship, there wouldn't be a problem. This is about the times in
which we live. And I want to echo the statements of the Washington Post
about him being out of the mainstream.
We have had two hearings, and we will have a couple of votes in the
next week or so. I would say to my colleagues regarding the cloture
vote today, they have every right to say now is not the time to end the
debate about Senator Hagel. He was reported out of the committee at 5
o'clock Tuesday. There are some legitimate questions and information we
haven't gathered, and we should be able to have an opportunity to look
at that, and people not already committed should have a chance to
review this information. So the idea of waiting until after the break
makes eminent sense. I think we will be better informed regarding our
decision. Debate should continue for at least that period of time.
Senator Kerry was able to get out of committee and to be voted on the
same day because all of us felt comfortable with John Kerry, even
though we may have disagreed with his politics. I believe John Kerry is
a good man. We are on opposite sides of the issues sometimes when it
comes to Iraq and initially Syria, but I have always thought he was in
the mainstream of the debate. So he got 97 votes because we felt
comfortable with him. You can tell people on our side, and some others,
quite frankly, in the Democratic Party have expressed some discomfort.
I would argue that after the hearing there is more discomfort than
there was before the hearing. Senator Inhofe and Senator Levin, we had
a very good hearing, but to me it was unnerving, some of the things
that came out of that hearing. The performance created more questions
and doubts than it created confidence.
That is the question the Washington Post posed. It is one thing to be
in the left lane, the right lane, or the center lane, but I would say
Senator Hagel's statements and votes put him in a league of his own.
And that is why I will vote no.
When it comes to Israel and his statement that ``The Jewish lobby
intimidates a lot of people up here. I'm not an Israeli Senator, I'm a
United States Senator,'' Senator Hagel, to his credit, said that was
inappropriate and he apologized. But think for a minute how many of my
colleagues would have said that. I asked him to name one Senator who
has been intimidated, and he couldn't name one. I asked him to name one
policy we have enacted because of the Jewish Israeli lobby, and he
couldn't name a policy.
Now we find out today--and I don't know if this has been verified,
but it is posted--that an aide of his reported that during a speech
Senator Hagel gave several years ago he said the U.S. Department of
State was an extension of the Israeli Government. Now this is showing a
chip on one shoulder about Israel--an unhealthy statement, to say the
least, and I think patently false. But it is unnerving to a guy like
me, and I can only imagine what kind of signal a statement such as that
sends in these dangerous times.
On Iran he was one of two Senators to vote against renewing
unilateral U.S. sanctions against Iran and Libya in 2001. He was one of
twelve Senators who did not sign a letter asking the European Union to
declare Hezbollah a terrorist organization. He refused to designate the
Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization in 2007----
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has 1 minute remaining.
Mr. GRAHAM. I thank the Presiding Officer. While they were killing
our soldiers in Iraq. He refused to sign a letter to President George
W. Bush, he said, to engage in direct unconditional comprehensive talks
with the Government of Iran. He was for that, telling Bush to do it
unconditionally. He voted against comprehensive Iranian sanctions.
He was one of two Senators who failed to sign a letter to President
Clinton showing unconditional support for the State of Israel.
I would argue that this man's record, when it comes to Iran and
Israel, and statements he has made, puts him well out of the
mainstream. The Washington Post was right when they said he is on the
fringe. And now is not the time to have somebody on the fringe serving
as Secretary of Defense when it comes to Iran and Israel. For that
reason, I will vote no. I will oppose cloture because debate should
continue. When we get back, unless there is a real bombshell, I will
vote for cloture and move on to his nomination.
I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Michigan.
Mr. LEVIN. Madam President, I yield 5 minutes to the Senator from
West Virginia.
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The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from West Virginia.
Mr. MANCHIN. Madam President, I am proud to support Chuck Hagel for
Secretary of Defense. If Chuck can make it through the jungles of
Vietnam, he can surely make it through the bureaucracy of the Pentagon.
America needs Chuck as its Secretary of Defense to bring our troops
home and to keep our military the strongest in the world. Sergeant
Hagel is an American hero. When so many Americans were dodging the
draft, he volunteered to serve in Vietnam. The draft board gave him the
option to return to college, but Chuck refused. He said:
I think the best thing for me is to go in the Army. It may
not be the best thing for the Army, but I think that's the
way to get all this straightened out. I was the oldest of
four boys. My father [had] passed away, and I just was not
coming together the way I should come together. There was a
war going on in Vietnam. I felt a sense of some
responsibility. So I said, ``No. Let's--let's go. And so I
volunteered for the draft, went in the Army and celebrated my
21st birthday down at White Sands Missile Range.''
And Chuck didn't serve in a safe billet. When assigned to Germany, he
protested and asked to deploy to Vietnam. So he volunteered for Vietnam
and saw the horrors of war as an infantry sergeant.
Chuck and his younger brother Tom are the only known American
brothers to serve side by side in Vietnam. At different times, they
risked their own lives to save each other's. At one point, Tom
frantically dressed a wound around Chuck's chest hoping, praying, that
his older brother would make it out of Vietnam alive. And Chuck
eventually returned the favor by dragging Tom out of a burning vehicle
just before it exploded, saving his brother's life. Talk about brothers
in arms, these were real brothers in arms.
These experiences made Chuck who he is, and they help you and me
understand why he is the right man to run the Pentagon and to be put in
charge of defending America. Just listen to how Chuck describes what it
was like to serve in Vietnam. He says:
I walked a lot of point, and my brother Tom and I together
walked a lot of point, which was all right. You know what
happens to a lot of point men, but I always felt a little
better if I was up front than somebody else.
Chuck is willing to walk point for America now. He has been walking
point for most of his life. This is how Chuck describes a point man:
A point man, as I think most people know, is the individual
who is out front. And these are usually squad-sized patrols,
sometimes a company-sized patrol, depending on the mission.
And you have the front--physically the front position, but
also the responsibility of essentially not walking your squad
or your company into an ambush or a trap. So you had to be
very, very focused on the peripheral vision and the antenna
and just the sense and the instincts that something doesn't
look right or grenades hanging in trees, which booby traps
were just a way of life. You dealt with that all the time.
And there were a lot of guys who just didn't pay attention to
it. They just--that's just the way they were. And I, again,
always felt better if I was up front than maybe some others.
Let me repeat that: Chuck Hagel always felt better if he was up
front, where it was most dangerous. We live in dangerous times today
and we need a man such as Chuck Hagel right now who has seen the
horrors of war and will do all he can to prevent another generation
from seeing them.
In my interactions with Chuck, I have been struck by his honesty, his
sincerity, and his commonsense approach. I know if he were still a
sitting U.S. Senator, we would probably be great friends. That is
because we come from similar backgrounds and the same generation. He is
like many Americans. He grew up in a working class, ``salt of the
earth'' family. In Chuck's words, he was raised in Little Town, NE,
where the local legion club and the VFW hall were the centers of the
universe.
I could go on and on about Chuck Hagel, but let me say this in
closing. When I think about people and I go to my little town in my
community where I grew up--in Farmington, WV--and I know Chuck grew up
in a small town--I can shake people's hands and look them in the eye
and they see me to my soul. They know if I am sincere or I am telling
the truth. And I want to say to all of you that I have shaken Chuck
Hagel's hand. I have looked him in his eyes and I saw the soul of a
good man, a man I want leading this country and taking care of our
youth, our infantry, our men and women in uniform. So I implore all of
my colleagues to consider voting for Chuck Hagel.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Rhode Island.
Mr. REED. Madam President, parliamentary inquiry: How much time
remains on each side?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Democrats have 22 minutes and the
Republicans have 12 minutes.
Mr. REED. Madam President, I yield myself 5 minutes.
As so many of my colleagues have described, Chuck Hagel is a soldier,
a statesman, a businessman, a patriot. As my colleague from West
Virginia pointed out, he could have chosen a much easier path in the
1960s, a path that many trod, but he chose the most difficult. He not
only joined the Army, but he volunteered for Vietnam, when he had the
opportunity to serve honorably and well in Europe. He joined his
brother at Fort Dix. He knows the pressures our men and women face. And
he knows the decisions we make here, and the decisions that are made in
the Pentagon, ultimately are carried out by those young men and women
in uniform. In fact, I can't think of anyone over the last several
decades who has learned that lesson so well.
The other thing that is so impressive is that this is not a one-
dimensional resume. Chuck Hagel was a businessman, and very successful.
He founded his own company, created jobs, and created opportunities. He
was the Deputy Administrator of the Veterans' Administration. He has
run a large Federal agency. Very seldom do people come into one of
these positions having run a Federal agency, or at least being the
second in command. And he has been a U.S. Senator. So he knows very
well the procedures and the personalities that are here in the U.S.
Congress.
To me, though, some of the most compelling endorsements come from
those who have actually done the job before. When Bob Gates and Bill
Cohen and Bill Perry stand up and say, this is the person for the job,
you have to believe that. These gentlemen have done the job for
Republican Presidents and Democratic Presidents, and they have done it
with great distinction.
Then when you get somebody such as Brent Scowcroft, who is, in my
view, one of the most knowledgeable and authoritative voices in
national security, and was the National Security Adviser to President
George Herbert Walker Bush--who also weighed in, along with Madeleine
Albright--you have compelling, irrefutable evidence and testimony from
those who have done the job that Chuck Hagel can do the job.
There has been a lot said and discussed as to whether he truly
appreciates the relationship between the United States and some of our
closest allies, particularly Israel. Here we have the current Deputy
Foreign Minister of Israel Danny Ayalon, who also serves as our
Ambassador from Israel to the United States, saying that he has met
him, he feels, in his view--and I will paraphrase--he has a true
understanding of the natural partnership between the United States and
Israel. Again, that is compelling evidence.
If you add to that the unconditional endorsement of several former
U.S. Ambassadors to Israel, American patriots who have dedicated
themselves to maintaining a strong, vital, vibrant, and crucial
relationship for both the State of Israel and the United States, the
evidence accumulates more and more that the President has chosen well
and wisely.
This is a critical time. We are looking at conflicts in Afghanistan,
we are looking at a nuclear detonation on the Korean peninsula, we are
looking at budget problems that have never faced any previous Secretary
of Defense and that have to be addressed within days or weeks. There is
a ministerial meeting next week in Brussels for our defense ministers.
We have to maintain our alliances. All these forces come together.
So I think the evidence is overwhelming. The President has chosen
well and wisely.
But let me make one final point. This is a historic vote. By my
recollection, no nominee for the Secretary of Defense has been
defeated, delayed, or dismissed on a procedural vote.
Our history suggests, because of this office, because it is one so
closely associated with the President making life-
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and-death decisions, that deference is given to that choice--at least
that it is not caught up in a procedural battle, that there is an up-
or-down vote. My colleagues, in good faith, after careful study, can
vote yea or nay, but to defeat someone on a procedural vote would be
unprecedented and unwarranted. As a result, I would urge that this
procedural motion before us be carried, cloture be dispensed with, and
we can get on to expressing our true feelings based on the evidence and
based on our best judgment of whether Senator Hagel should serve as
Secretary of Defense.
Madam President, I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Oklahoma.
Mr. INHOFE. Mr. President, my colleague, Senator Cruz, is ill and
unable to speak on this nomination. He has, however, expressed his
concerns to me in the form of a letter. I appreciate his contributions
to this debate throughout the committee process.
I ask unanimous consent the letter be printed in the Record.
There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in
the Record as follows:
U.S. Senate,
February 14, 2013.
Senator James Inhofe,
Russell Senate Office Building,
Washington, DC.
Dear Senator Inhofe: I continue to have considerable
concerns with the unnecessary rush to force through a vote on
Chuck Hagel's nomination before he has adequately responded
to multiple requests from members of the Armed Services
Committee for additional information.
Our requests directly relate to matters he would have
significant influence over as our nation's Secretary of
Defense and are based on his alarming record on foreign
policy matters. For instance, Sen. Hagel has repeatedly
declined to support measures to crack down on state sponsors
of terrorism, belittled the notion of using any means to
prevent a nuclear Iran, advised U.S. leaders to engage in
direct negotiations with rogue nations and hostile terrorist
groups, and expressed remarkable antagonism towards the
longstanding U.S. alliance with Israel. Moreover, these are
all positions he's disavowed since his nomination.
These deeply concerning positions rightfully raise the
question of what conflicts of interest could exist as a
result of financial compensation he has received in the
recent past. Under the Senate's responsibility to advise and
consent on nominations, it is completely appropriate to make
these requests for disclosure--requests that are absolutely
relevant to the role of our nation's Secretary of Defense.
Several senators, who currently oppose such requests for
information, contradict their own past statements that affirm
the importance of disclosures related to executive branch
nominations.
In a February 6 letter, 25 senators, including every
Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and both
the Minority Leader and the Whip, agreed that neither the
Committee nor the full Senate has sufficient information to
assess Sen. Hagel's nomination.
In order to have sufficient information, we have submitted
several requests. This includes requests for disclosure on
the personal compensation that he has received in the last
five years--information which is entirely within his own
control; requests for additional disclosure on foreign funds
that he may have received indirectly, and whether any such
foreign funds raise conflicts of interest; requests for a
complete list of his prior public speeches, notably multiple
speeches on controversial topics have been made public by the
press, despite those speeches having been omitted from his
own disclosures; and a critical request from the
Administration regarding additional information about the
precise actions taken on September 11, 2012, during and
immediately following the tragic murder of four Americans in
Benghazi.
I believe that to date, responses to these requests are
insufficient. Very few positions have as great an impact on
national security as does the Secretary of Defense and it is
our responsibility to ensure that those nominated to serve in
this critical position are held to the highest standards.
I am prepared to move forward on Senator Hagel's nomination
in a timely manner, but I do not believe the Senate should
vote on that nomination unless and until he provides adequate
disclosure in response to these requests.
Sincerely,
Ted Cruz.
Mr. INHOFE. Madam President, let me start off by saying that I agree
with almost everything they have said on both sides about Chuck Hagel.
I agree that he was a hero. I think of my own Army career and I think
of his and how much greater his was. That isn't the issue.
I think both Senator Graham and Senator McCain said it very well.
Yes, his character is wonderful. We love the guy. He served his
country. All of those things are true. The problem is the stances he
has taken regarding Israel and countries like Iran. Israel has
historically been a very, very close ally of ours and, I have often
said, our only true ally in the Middle East we can count on. But we
need to take a close look at Senator Hagel and how he would act,
judging from his past performance, as the Secretary of Defense.
The vote that is coming up at 4:15 is the vote for or against Senator
Hagel. All of this talk about a procedural vote and filibustering: no.
This is the vote to determine whether Chuck Hagel should be the next
Secretary of Defense.
This statement about filibustering has been made over and over again.
They say this the first time this has ever happened. Look, we have
people nominated all the time for Cabinet positions who are subjected
to a 60-vote threshold. I will describe some of them right now,
starting on the Republican's side:
Kathleen Sebelius is now the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
In 2009 there were a lot of people who didn't think she would be good,
and so they objected to force a 60-vote threshold. That is what
happened.
John Bryson was up for Secretary of Commerce. I didn't think he would
make a very good Secretary of Commerce. I opposed him, and he was
subjected to the 60-vote margin.
Here is the interesting thing. Today we have Barack Obama, who is a
Democratic President of the United States, and then we have Harry Reid,
who is the majority leader, so the Democrats are in control. During the
last Bush administration, we had exactly the reverse. George Bush was
President of the United States and a Republican, and the Democrats were
in the minority--the same situation.
So what happened? First of all, we had John Vogel come up. It was the
same thing--subjected to a 60-vote margin. We had Senator Dirk
Kempthorne. There were a lot of people who did not approve of him. He
was nominated by President Bush, a Republican, and the Democrats didn't
like him. They subjected him to a 60-vote margin. That wasn't a
filibuster then. This isn't a filibuster today.
People are trying to blame me as the bad guy who is causing a
filibuster. That is not the case at all, any more than it was the case
back in 2005, 2006, and other times when we had a nominee who was put
forth by President Bush who was objected to by the Democrats.
When Dirk Kempthorne was nominated to be the Secretary of Interior,
there was a lot of opposition to him by the Democrats. Of course they
said: We have to subject him to a 60-vote threshold. The Secretary of
the Interior is a Cabinet position, but they seem to be drawing a
distinction, for some reason, between the Secretary of Defense and any
other Cabinet positions. As Cabinet positions, they are the same. And
the process of requiring a 60-vote threshold happens over and over
again.
Senator Rob Portman--the same thing happened to him when he was
appointed by President Bush to be the U.S. Trade Representative. The
cloture motion was vitiated later on, but it was objected to first so
that he would have been subjected to a 60-vote threshold.
One that is kind of interesting is Stephen Johnson. President Bush
appointed him to be the EPA Administrator. Actually, he was a guy whom
I thought a lot of, and he was a Democrat. So we have here President
Bush, a Republican, appointing a Democrat who was objected to by the
Democrats. Now we have President Obama, a Democrat, nominating a
Republican who is objected to by the Republicans. It is exactly the
reverse. There is no difference at all.
I am the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee. I will stand
up and walk through fire to make sure every member of the committee has
all their questions answered. That is what advice and consent is all
about. We want to look at the individual. In the case of our committee,
we want to make sure every member of the Committee has a chance to look
at the process and make sure everything is out there.
This is kind of a funny thing. The distinguished junior Senator from
Texas, Mr. Cruz, lost his voice. For a Senator to lose his voice--what
worse
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can happen than that? So he is not able to speak, but if he could, I
believe he would say: It is not so much my concern, the issues that
have been articulated by Senator McCain and by Senator Graham. My
concern is about the process.
Madam President, I give myself 3 additional minutes.
The fact is this new member of the committee, a new Member of the
Senate, knew he was entitled to have all his questions answered. He has
tried now for weeks. He was stonewalled. He can't get them. So this is
about the process. Senator Cruz is not making any accusations. He says:
I just want the information I have asked for.
I have the utmost respect for Carl Levin. He and I, despite what the
media wishes, get along great. I love the guy. We disagree now and then
on policy, but I really like him.
The other day, Carl Levin said:
Every member, every member should add his or her voice to
the demand for the production of relevant documents which
Senators need to decide on confirmation or for any other
legitimate reason.
I agree wholeheartedly with that, and that is exactly what these
individuals are asking for. They are asking for that information.
Senator Cruz is very articulate. I regret that he lost his voice
today.
In the past, every time the minority has objected and has wanted as a
matter of procedure, to have a 60-vote margin, that is what has
happened. It has happened with a consent agreement. I asked for that,
and I think we have that now, but we had to force it.
This is not a filibuster. It is the same thing that was required and
requested by Harry Reid, back when he was the minority leader, against
John Bolton, against Stephen Johnson, against Robert Portman, and
against Dirk Kempthorne. This is a normal way of operating.
A lot of us still don't have the information we want, but I am
willing and they are willing. I have checked with the people who have
not gotten all the information they want. They said: Let's go ahead and
have the vote. So, in a way, are they caving in? In fact, they are just
doing all they can to be conciliatory. I think we are doing everything
we can. We are not filibustering, and we don't want to string this out.
I repeat one last time that this vote is the vote on Chuck Hagel. It
is not on procedure or anything else. It is a vote on Chuck Hagel.
Madam President, I retain the remainder of my time.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Michigan.
Mr. LEVIN. Madam President, how much time does the majority have?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. There is 17 minutes remaining for the majority
and 3 minutes for the minority.
Mr. LEVIN. Madam President, I yield 5 minutes to the Senator from
Illinois.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Illinois.
Mr. DURBIN. Madam President, this is rare. Twice in the history of
the Senate have we had a filibuster involving a nominee for a Cabinet
position--twice.
But especially disappointing about this is that it was just a few
weeks ago that we came together on a bipartisan basis and we said: We
are not going to do this anymore. We are going to try to work together.
We are going to try to avoid these filibusters. And here we have,
sadly, a historic filibuster over an appointment of a former Senator--
Chuck Hagel, a Republican of Nebraska--as Secretary of Defense.
I know there is controversy associated with his nomination, but I
also know Chuck Hagel. I served on the Senate Intelligence Committee
with him. We served together in the Senate. There is no question in my
mind that the President made a good choice.
I will also tell you that you need to know a little bit about the man
to understand why it is a historic choice. Chuck Hagel volunteered and
enlisted in the U.S. Army during the Vietnam era. That was not a casual
decision. That was a time when enlisting in the Army meant you might
risk your life. He lucked out; he got stationed in a theater that
wasn't at war. But what does he do next? He volunteered to go to
Vietnam. He volunteered as an enlisted man to go to Vietnam. And he
went there--with his brother, incidentally, the two of them--to serve
in the U.S. Army. He was involved directly in combat, was given the
Purple Heart for his service, and he told me personally about days he
will never forget as long as he lives. So does Chuck Hagel know what it
takes to be a soldier? Does he know what it takes to lead the
Department of Defense? He certainly does.
I served on the Senate Intelligence Committee with him. I know his
feelings on the issues. And when I listen to how some of his positions
have been distorted, I find it hard to believe.
Chuck Hagel was a conservative Republican Senator and an honest man
of integrity. And some of the things that have been said about him,
some of the charges that have been made in the course of the Armed
Services Committee were just embarrassing, to think that colleagues in
the Senate would say that about a man they knew and served with
personally, or they should have known better than to say. That is why
we are here today.
The sad reality is that I have listened to many Republican Senators
who are not going to vote for Chuck Hagel come up here and talk about
how important it is to fill this position. The North Koreans detonated
nuclear devices this week and raised concerns all over that part of the
world and beyond. We know what is going on in the Middle East, in Syria
and other places. We still have 68,000-plus American soldiers who are
literally risking their lives--while we meet in the comfort and
security of the Senate Chamber--in Afghanistan. They are risking their
lives, and we are saying: Well, we would sure like to appoint a
Secretary of Defense, but we have to make a political point here today.
We have to vote against him today and put it off for 10 days, and then
we may reconsider it again. God forbid something awful occurs in the
next 10 days. I hope it doesn't.
There are still good people at the Pentagon, and I am sure they will
do a good job, but we should have that Secretary of Defense--one of the
most critical appointments in the President's Cabinet--filled. This
notion that we have to make a political stand here and stop Chuck Hagel
today to make some political point really troubles me.
Some of the requests for information about Chuck Hagel go beyond any
of the standards of disclosure we have ever seen before. This isn't
fair. It isn't fair to Chuck Hagel. It isn't fair to the President. It
certainly isn't fair to the men and women in uniform all across the
United States and around the world who are risking their lives for this
country.
Those who come to the floor and say that in 10 days, he will be fine,
for goodness' sake, swallow your pride. Let's make sure we vote for him
today. Let's fill this spot. Let's not have this sad historic
filibuster on this appointment to the President's Cabinet.
I really hope my colleagues will reflect on what Chuck Hagel has
meant in his life, his service to the country, his service to the State
of Nebraska, and his service to this Nation as a Senator. He is a good
man, and he will do a good job in the Department of Defense. I trust
the President's judgment.
For anyone who thinks they are making a political point in order to
kind of show the President that we can still filibuster, I remind them
it was just a few weeks ago that we stood on the floor of the Senate
and said we were going to be more thoughtful about the use of the
filibuster in the future; we were going to be more careful that we
don't politicize it. Unfortunately, what is happening today is a
serious disappointment.
I yield the floor.
Mrs. BOXER. Mr. President, may I ask the Senator, through the Chair,
a question?
Mr. LEVIN. Mr. President, I would be happy to yield time to the
Senator from California. How much time does the Senator wish?
Mrs. BOXER. Whatever my friend wishes.
Mr. LEVIN. I will yield 2 minutes to the Senator.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from California.
Mrs. BOXER. Mr. President, I am glad we are voting today on the
President's choice for Secretary of Defense, our former colleague,
Chuck Hagel. I stand here as a Senator who has had a number of
questions as well about some of the things he said in the past, some of
the votes he has cast, and some of his philosophy. And what I did, as
soon as I learned he was the President's pick, was to ask those
questions.
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Remember the President is the Commander in Chief. This is a critical
appointment. It has to be someone he has faith in, puts his trust in,
and he picked someone. He picked a brave hero who served in Vietnam.
So I wrote all my questions down, and believe me, they covered some
tough ground on women's rights, gay rights, Iran, and Israel. There
were a number of questions. I asked if it would be all right if when
the answers came we could put them online so people could see the
answers. The answer that came back was absolutely yes. The answers to
my questions were very clear and very strong.
Senator Hagel has evolved on certain issues. He admitted to a mistake
on a couple. That is the hardest thing for any politician to admit.
There are four words politicians hate to say, ``I made a mistake.'' He
admitted to that on a couple of issues.
I just think the way he is being treated is so sad. It is so sad.
When I watch some of the questioning from my colleagues--not all of
them, a couple of them, and I am not referring to my dear friend,
Senator Inhofe--it was reminiscent of a different time and place when
someone would say: I have here in my pocket a speech that you made on
such-and-such a date--and, of course, nothing was in the pocket. It was
reminiscent of some bad times.
I am so glad we are voting today. I know it is going to be a close
vote. I don't know what the outcome will be. I do believe eventually
this good man will be the Secretary of Defense. I believe that in my
heart. If anyone is still undecided on this vote, let's understand that
never in history have we had a 60-vote requirement--to my knowledge--
for a nominee for Secretary of Defense. If I am wrong, I hope to be
corrected. There is a reason for it.
Lord knows I was one of the key voices of dissent on the Iraq war,
and I was not happy about a lot of the people who were put into place
by George W. Bush. Believe me, I didn't want to see them continue in
those positions. I think they led us astray in Iraq, and it led to so
many thousands of deaths. However, I never dreamed of requiring a 60-
vote majority. In my view, this is not a good day for the Senate.
I know my friend, Senator Inhofe, is very sincere. I am on the
Foreign Relations Committee; I am a senior member of that committee. We
have listened to the State Department on Benghazi. We have had
briefings and hearings and answers came in. We had secret briefings
that were highly classified. We had open hearings--I would ask for 30
seconds.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mrs. BOXER. I have to say, what more are you trying to get out of
this? Benghazi was a crisis. It was a disaster. It was terrible. There
should have been more security there, but don't blame the brave
Americans for it. Blame the terrorists who did this.
As the facts became available, those facts came right out. Why are we
trying to stop this good man because of something he had nothing to do
with?
In closing, I hope if you are on the fence, you will vote today for
Chuck Hagel, and a ``yes'' vote on cloture.
Mr. INHOFE. Parliamentary inquiry.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Oklahoma.
Mr. INHOFE. Parliamentary inquiry before the clock starts: I
understand we have 3 minutes left on our side. How many minutes are
left on the majority side?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The majority has 7 minutes 15 seconds.
Mr. INHOFE. I don't see anyone seeking recognition, so I will go
ahead and take the last 3 minutes.
First of all, it is very interesting that all of those on the other
side who are supporting Senator Hagel to be the next Secretary of
Defense, not one of them has said anything at all about the issues.
They all talk about the things with which we agree. He was a hero; we
said it. Senator McCain said it and Senator Graham said it. We all
agree he was a hero in the war, and he is deserving of this type of
thing.
Why is it that no one has mentioned that Senator Hagel is one of only
two Senators who voted against sanctions against Iran? Why is it they
don't mention that he was one of only four--in fact, all of them in the
Majority signed a letter for solidarity with Israel. Senator Hagel was
one of four Senators who didn't sign that letter of solidarity for
Israel. The same thing with declaring the Iranian Revolutionary Guard
as a terrorist group. He was one of only four Senators who did that.
I would only say this is not a filibuster. Everybody knows it is not
a filibuster. I hope the media is listening: This is not a filibuster.
This is the same process that was required by the Democrats in the case
of John Bolton, in the case of Steve Johnson, in the case of Rob
Portman, and in the case of Dirk Kempthorne. It is a prerogative of the
Senate. It is not a filibuster. We merely want a 60-vote margin. We
received it in all of those cases.
I commented earlier that when we had a Republican in the White House
and a Democratic majority in the Senate they made that same
requirement. I was here in the Senate for all four of them. I never
objected to requiring a 60-vote threshold.
Then, of course, we had a 60-vote threshold for the nomination of
Kathleen Sebelius, who is serving now in a Cabinet position. The same
thing. This is a Cabinet position. We had the Secretary of Commerce,
John Bryson. I objected to him. He passed the 60-vote margin. The only
issue is the 60-vote margin, and that is what we are talking about. It
is not a filibuster.
The last thing I will do is read--since our last speaker is my very
good friend and chairman of the committee--what he said the other day.
I wholeheartedly agreed with him when he said every Member should add
his or her voice to the demand for the production of relevant documents
which Senators need to decide on confirmation. I agree with that. What
we object to is the process where we have Members who have made
requests for information that is relevant to this appointment, and they
have been unable to receive that information. So it is a process.
As the ranking minority on the Senate Armed Services Committee, I
will stand up for the rights of every single minority member of that
committee. Senator Levin would do the same thing and stand up for the
rights of every majority member of that committee in this process.
I thank the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Coons). The Senator from Michigan.
Mr. LEVIN. I yield myself the remainder of the time.
First of all, the questions which have been asked of us to provide
materials of the nominee have fallen into three categories: The first
one is to the White House about Benghazi, and those questions have been
answered. There have been requests for Senator Hagel's speeches, and
those speeches have been provided. Relative to financial disclosure,
additional financial disclosure, disclosure which is required by the
rules, that has been provided.
The statement that was made by one of our colleagues about Corsair
Capital is a statement which, frankly, is out of bounds. It is
inappropriate for anyone to be asked about that when he is an adviser
to a perfectly legitimate equity fund and has perfectly legitimate
members on the board. There is no evidence--and the person making the
innuendo acknowledged that there is no evidence--that the funding came
from Saudi Arabia, Iran, or any other inappropriate place.
So as for the information that has been provided, it is probably more
information than probably any nominee--at least in recent memory--has
had to provide. We have done everything we possibly can.
Now in terms of the qualifications for Senator Hagel, this comes from
former Secretaries of State, National Security Advisers, National
Secretaries of Defense, including Secretary of State Albright, National
Security Adviser Berger, Secretary of Defense Brown, National Security
Adviser Brezezinski, Secretary of Defense Cohen, Secretary of Defense
Gates, National Security Adviser Jones, Secretary of Defense Laird,
National Security Adviser McFarlane, Secretary of Defense Perry,
Secretary of State and National Security Adviser Powell, Secretary of
State Schultz, and National Security Adviser Scowcroft.
This is what they said, and this is the validation: We, obviously,
know Senator Hagel. We trust Senator Hagel. We believe in his
qualifications.
These people are Democrats and Republicans who are outside of this
body, and here is what they say: From his
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time as the Deputy Veterans' Administrator managing a quarter of a
million employees, to during the Reagan Presidency, to turning around
the financially troubled World USO, to shepherding the post-9/11 GI
bill into law as a United States Senator, and most recently through his
service on the Defense Policy Board at the Pentagon and as cochairman
of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board, Chuck Hagel is uniquely
qualified to meet the challenges facing the Department of Defense.
I have already put into the Record many of the statements that have
been written by veterans organizations in support of Senator Hagel.
Senator Inhofe said when no one talks about his position on Iran,
well, yes, we do. Here is what he says:
Iran poses a significant threat to the United States, our
allies and partners, and our interests in the region and
globally. Iran continues to pursue an illicit nuclear program
that threatens to provoke a regional arms race and undermine
the global non-proliferation regime.
He is fully committed to the President's goal of preventing Iran from
obtaining a nuclear weapon. All options must be on the table to achieve
that goal. And relative to Israel, he has said he is a strong supporter
of Israel. Even more importantly, the Deputy Minister of Israel said he
is a good friend of Israel, and, indeed, in the words of Danny Ayalone,
said he believes--and I am now talking about Senator Hagel--Hagel
believes in the natural partnership between Israel and the United
States and is proud of the volume of defense relations between Israel
and the United States which are so important to both countries.
Now the only question that remains is what we are voting on. What we
are voting on is to end the filibuster. My good friend from Oklahoma
says it is not a filibuster, but the definition of ``filibuster,''
under our rules, is you are going to continue to talk unless there are
60 votes to end debate. That is what we are voting on. It is called
cloture.
If we get cloture today, then there will be another vote on the
nomination of Senator Hagel. The proof of that is that we have three
Republican Senators who stood up today and said that while they are
going to vote against cloture today, they are going to vote for cloture
a week from this Tuesday. That is a procedural vote if I ever heard it.
They are still going to vote against his nomination, but they have
decided that they will vote for cloture a week from Tuesday. That is
the difference between the vote to end debate and the vote on the
nomination itself. What we are deciding here today is whether a
filibuster will continue. That is not just me talking; that is the
rules speaking. That is what the rules provide for, that we need 60
votes to end debate.
Has there ever been a requirement before by opponents of a nominee
that there be 60 votes to end debate? Has this ever happened in
history? Not for a nominee for the Defense Department, no; Secretary of
Defense, no. For other Cabinet officers, there have been in the past
requirements set by opponents that to stop talking we are going to have
to get 60 votes. But that only means what the rules say it means, which
is that under the rules of this body, conversation or debate does not
end if the opponents insist on it until there are 60 votes. That is the
definition of a filibuster and that is what I hope we could bring to an
end today. If we don't bring it to an end today, then there will be
another vote a week from Tuesday.
I hope we don't have to do that. This position is too important. The
dangers in this world are too severe to leave this position in this
ambiguous state between now and a week from Tuesday, or whenever the
final vote on approval of this nomination is. The world is too
dangerous to have this period of uncertainty. There is no need for it.
We have provided the documents which have been required. The
information relative to the financial situation of Senator Hagel has
been provided. It is time for us now to bring the debate to an end,
require 60 votes and then, hopefully, if we can get 60 votes today,
then vote on the final approval of this nominee. But, again, if 60
votes aren't there today, the majority leader has made it clear he will
then, of course, reconsider the cloture motion for a week from Tuesday.
Either way, it is critically important that Senator Hagel's
confirmation take place and that we fill this position of Secretary of
Defense.
Mr. President, I don't know if there is any time left but, if so, I
yield it back.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. All time has expired.
Under the previous order and pursuant to rule XXII, the Chair lays
before the Senate the pending cloture motion, which the clerk will
state.
The bill clerk read as follows:
Cloture Motion
We, the undersigned Senators, in accordance with the
provisions of rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate,
hereby move to bring to a close debate on the nomination of
Charles Timothy Hagel, of Nebraska, to be Secretary of
Defense.
Harry Reid, Patrick J. Leahy, Sheldon Whitehouse, Barbara
Boxer, Al Franken, Christopher A. Coons, Jack Reed,
Carl Levin, Kirsten E. Gillibrand, Claire McCaskill,
Robert P. Casey, Jr., Richard Blumenthal, Tom Harkin,
Dianne Feinstein, Bill Nelson, Jeanne Shaheen, Sherrod
Brown.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. By unanimous consent, the mandatory quorum
call has been waived.
The question is, Is it the sense of the Senate that debate on the
nomination of Charles Timothy Hagel, of Nebraska, to be Secretary of
Defense shall be brought to a close?
The yeas and nays are mandatory under the rule.
The clerk will call the roll.
The bill clerk called the roll.
Mr. HATCH (when his name was called). Present.
Mr. CORNYN. The following Senator is necessarily absent: the Senator
from Louisiana (Mr. Vitter).
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Are there any other Senators in the Chamber
desiring to vote?
The yeas and nays resulted--yeas 58, nays 40, as follows:
[Rollcall Vote No. 21 Ex.]
YEAS--58
Baldwin
Baucus
Begich
Bennet
Blumenthal
Boxer
Brown
Cantwell
Cardin
Carper
Casey
Cochran
Collins
Coons
Cowan
Donnelly
Durbin
Feinstein
Franken
Gillibrand
Hagan
Harkin
Heinrich
Heitkamp
Hirono
Johanns
Johnson (SD)
Kaine
King
Klobuchar
Landrieu
Lautenberg
Leahy
Levin
Manchin
McCaskill
Menendez
Merkley
Mikulski
Murkowski
Murphy
Murray
Nelson
Pryor
Reed
Rockefeller
Sanders
Schatz
Schumer
Shaheen
Stabenow
Tester
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Warner
Warren
Whitehouse
Wyden
NAYS--40
Alexander
Ayotte
Barrasso
Blunt
Boozman
Burr
Chambliss
Coats
Coburn
Corker
Cornyn
Crapo
Cruz
Enzi
Fischer
Flake
Graham
Grassley
Heller
Hoeven
Inhofe
Isakson
Johnson (WI)
Kirk
Lee
McCain
McConnell
Moran
Paul
Portman
Reid
Risch
Roberts
Rubio
Scott
Sessions
Shelby
Thune
Toomey
Wicker
ANSWERED ``PRESENT''--1
Hatch
NOT VOTING--1
Vitter
Mr. REID. Mr. President, I enter a motion to reconsider the vote by
which cloture was not invoked.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The motion is entered.