[Congressional Record Volume 158, Number 95 (Thursday, June 21, 2012)]
[House]
[Pages H3970-H3972]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




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                     MANAGING OUR NATIONAL FORESTS

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 5, 2011, the Chair recognizes the gentleman from New Mexico 
(Mr. Pearce) for 30 minutes.
  Mr. PEARCE. Thank you, Madam Speaker. I appreciate the opportunity to 
address the House on a matter of the West.
  There are major fires burning across the western United States. 
There's tremendous property damage and tremendous damage to the 
environment. Habitat for endangered species is being burned up in the 
hundreds of thousands of acres. The species themselves are being 
destroyed and killed in these massive wildfires. And the Chief of the 
United States Forest Service says, We need to introduce fire back into 
our forests.
  Just this week as the Chief visited in my Rayburn office with me, I 
said, Chief, this is what it looks like when you reintroduced fire into 
the forests in the West right now.
  The forests are chock-full of fuel. Decades of mismanagement by our 
Forest Service has allowed the fuels to build up to where it's a 
dangerous, explosive environment. The drought which actually occurs 
regularly in the West has caused those buildup of fuels to be explosive 
in nature, and when fire gets loose, this is what it looks like.
  This is the town of Ruidoso, New Mexico, in my district, and these 
are the flames that burn that makes it look like Hades has taken over 
all of New Mexico.
  Is this what you intended, Mr. Tidwell? Is this what you describe as 
allowing fire to run its course and accomplish management objectives in 
your forests? You're the one responsible, sir.
  Thank God for the firefighters who will come out and fight to save 
the community. Thank God for the men and women who will stand in harm's 
way to stop this. But this should not be occurring.
  This is the Lincoln National Forest, and right next door, the 
Mescalero Apaches have about the same acreage of forests. With 14 
people, they're able to clean their forests out. They're able to 
harvest the timber. When the fire gets to the Indian reservation, it 
simply drops down on the ground and becomes a grass fire, the way that 
fires typically ran in New Mexico and throughout the West.
  History shows us that in our forests, we generally had somewhere 
between 50 and 100 trees per acre in the arid West on our forest lands. 
They are grassy savanna lands mostly with widely scattered trees. It 
never became more than a grass fire, but our tree rings show us that 
about every 8 years, a very hot fire would come through, burning all of 
the grass and the underbrush, the ladder fuels, burning the small 
diameter trees while they are still small. But decades of putting out 
fires and decades of not harvesting any timber at all have allowed our 
forests to become explosive caldrons which are breaking into fire.
  The shame is that this fire in New Mexico started as one-quarter 
acre, and for about a day it stayed about a quarter of an acre. And 
then it spread to 4 acres for the next 3 days. Still, no call for 
tankers, no call for those aerial drops of water or the slurry which 
puts out the fire. None. Not until the fourth day, late in the fourth 
day.
  The Forest Service says they can't ask questions like this about 
those decisions. I think that the decisions locally are made by people 
who are trying to follow the policy of reintroducing fire into the 
forests.
  Regional Forester Corbin Newman recently stated: Fire will have to 
take its natural course. And we're just trying to put fire back into 
its natural processes, he said.
  This rings the same tone as was stated by Mr. Tidwell in my office 
this week, that we want fire to get back into the forest. Well, fire in 
the forest had a natural process when the forest was in balance. The 
forest is desperately out of balance right now.
  This is not the first brush with disaster that we've had. And keep in 
mind that the Forest Service personnel themselves said they're worried 
about losing the entire town of Ruidoso, that it was at high risk, not 
just at risk but at high risk was their statement as we were briefed 
about the fire. But we had warning signs last year.
  This is what it looked like last year in Ruidoso. High winds and a 
small fire began to throw embers throughout the town, and you can see 
the little spots of fires over and through the mountains that are in 
and around Ruidoso. We began to sound the alarm at that point to our 
Forest Service: Please clean the fuels out. We can't stand for this to 
run wild. This year, it has run wild and destroyed 242 homes in this 
area, and more outbuildings, more structures, beyond just the loss of 
homes.
  This is not necessary. All that is required is for us to manage the 
forests properly. It's a call that is going out from the people who 
live in the forests throughout the West. They're watching their 
wilderness areas, they're watching the forest lands burn to charred 
masses, and the Forest Service personnel themselves, the specialists, 
are telling me that trees will not grow here for another 100 to 150 
years.
  How is it managing our forests to burn the trees for 150 years? How 
is that good for the environment? How is that good for the species? And 
how is it good for the people who live in this area?
  Shame on you, Forest Service. Shame on you for dictating policies to

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local managers who know better. Shame on you, Mr. Newman and Mr. 
Tidwell, for saying that we're going to reintroduce fire into our 
forests and let it run its natural course.
  The forest in and around Lincoln County, some has been cleared and 
harvested. We're not saying to clear-cut our forests. What we're saying 
is that a balanced thinning program will go through and leave widely 
spaced trees.
  This is similar to how it looks on the Mescalero Reservation and also 
it's similar to how it looks out at Fort Apache in Arizona.
  Last year, the Wallow fire burned 500,000 acres in the Wallow area, 
the Wallow fire, in Arizona and New Mexico, but when it got to Fort 
Apache, it simply fell down on the ground and stopped right there 
because they had thinned their forest.
  This is what a forest should look like in the West. There's not 
enough rain and not enough nutrients to support 2,500 trees per acre. 
This is the way forests looked in the West when fire had its way, when 
fire ran its course. Instead, our forests today are densely packed, 
2,500 trees per acre, and this is the outcome when you see that. That's 
what the U.S. Forest Service looks like in most places, a deep contrast 
to what it should look like. And it is into this forest that the head 
of the Forest Service, the Chief of the Forest Service, is saying that 
we're trying to reintroduce fire into the wilderness and into our 
forests. It's a misguided approach. That idea that we're going to 
reintroduce fire is playing Russian roulette with our national forests 
and our wilderness. It's a game that is not working out too well.
  We have two major fires in southern New Mexico right now. We have the 
Little Bear fire in Ruidoso, but over in the Gila we've got 300,000 
acres of land that has burned there, a strong mix or combination 
between the Gila wilderness and the Gila National Forest. Again, it 
started as a small fire. It started as a small fire, and the Forest 
Service releases say that they are monitoring it, that it's achieving 
its management objectives. I'm sorry, but management objectives of 
using fire in drought-stricken areas of the West, in forests that are 
chock-full of fuels, is misguided at the very least.
  The people who live and have lost much have suffered deeply. The 
Forest Service needs to be responsible for those losses. But 
additionally, they should be responsible for the loss in tax base to 
the local communities. They should be responsible to local homeowners 
whose value of their homes is going to be depreciated for decades. 
Those people who have moved close to the national forests want to be 
there with that natural beauty. Instead, they're going to be faced with 
a brush pile that doesn't grow trees for the next 100 to 150 years, 
according to their specialists.

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  So what are we to do? Are we to stand by and allow our forests to 
burn because of policies that originate in Washington? Are we to put at 
risk the lives of local people? Are we to put at risk the property 
values of local people? Or are we to call on common sense, just a 
pragmatic understanding that you cannot use fire to achieve the balance 
when the forests are full of fuel?
  We have deep disagreements with our Forest Service on their policies. 
We have deep love for the people who manage the forest out in the field 
and for the firefighters who risk their lives. We're thankful every day 
that they're there 24 hours a day around the clock, 7 days a week, away 
from their families to protect us. But they should not have to protect 
us in this fashion.
  It's expensive. It's expensive in the loss of our forests. It's 
expensive in the dollar cost of the fire. This fire in Lincoln County 
was running about $2 million a day to try to put it out. The one on the 
other side of the State in the Gila was running about $1 million a day.
  But that is not the only problem that we face. Now that the trees are 
gone, when it rains, the rainwater is going to rush off the hills into 
the valleys; and it's going to rush down the valleys, and we're going 
to see flooding.
  If you go to the Web page that we have for our congressional office, 
you will be able to see a dramatic video called the Dixon Apple Orchard 
flood. That's up now to just above the Santa Clara pueblo in northern 
New Mexico. People from that pueblo were waiting for the water that 
they knew would come, and they videoed several different spots. So take 
a moment and look at that, if you would, to see now the next calamity 
that is going to face New Mexico. Because when you burn the trees, 
there's nothing now to stop the water from rushing off the hill. It is 
going to carry topsoil with it. It's going to carry rocks and boulders, 
and it's going to flood towns completely off the face of the Earth.
  One of the people fighting the fire out west in the Gila said that 
that area would have some of the most dramatic flood potential that he 
had ever fought fires in; that is, the canyons are so steep and so 
deep, and they come together, nine canyons come together, at Glenwood. 
All of that water is going to be pouring through the small town.
  Mogollon, New Mexico, sits at right at the mouth of one of those 
canyons. It has high, high, steep canyon walls on both sides of it. 
It's at the bottom of the V. And those communities that have existed 
for decades--Santa Clara, which has existed for hundreds of years, is 
going to face flooding, not because of anything they've done, but 
because of the way that the Forest Service has managed its lands, the 
way that the Forest Service has managed those resources that we asked 
for them to take care of so that we all might enjoy the benefits and 
the beauty of our Nation's landscape. Yet we're not going to be able to 
see that, and we are going to be exposed to floods for decades to come.
  What kind of sense does that make from Washington? People across 
America are beginning to say that our government is broken. They're 
saying it's broken because of policies that result in fires, like the 
one that we just showed the picture of. People are saying that this is 
not responsible, that a government who would say that we're going to 
reintroduce fire into the forest with this kind of result, what kind of 
responsibility is that? That's the question that we're here tonight to 
ask.
  It's not reasonable to expect people to just stand back and say 
nothing. So we are accepting an invitation to speak at a public rally 
where people are going to express their concerns, their fears, and 
express their losses in this fire, a fire that we've had decades to 
prepare for.
  Several years ago, we had a fire on the backside of Capitan Mountain, 
just in this same area. And the local forest supervisor said, Well, it 
was a small fire, 15 acres, and it didn't justify bringing in air 
tankers and more resources. It blew out of control and became a 58,000-
acre fire.
  It's that mindset that we're not going to address the fire situation 
totally that is putting the West at risk right now. In Colorado, in 
that fire, we actually lost the life of a citizen who couldn't get out 
of her cabin.
  When are we going to start managing properly? That is the question 
that lies before us all--us as a Nation, us as a Congress, and the U.S. 
Forest Service and the head of the Agriculture Department, who manages 
them.
  It's a tragedy, what's going on in the most pristine parts of our 
country, wilderness areas where fields have been allowed to burn and 
where we're going to see the absolute destruction. It's not a matter of 
if our forests will burn; it's simply a question of when they're going 
to burn.
  Now, we can manage differently and we can manage better, but we 
absolutely have to make the commitment that we're going to give up the 
policies that are failing and move into a new thought process.

  In visiting with the head of the U.S. Forest Service this week, I 
asked about a policy that used to exist to put out fires. It was called 
the 10 a.m. policy. That is, if we see a fire running at any time 
today, we're going to put it out by 10 a.m. tomorrow; and if we don't 
get it out by 10 a.m. tomorrow, we're going to put it out by 10 a.m. 
the next day.
  The head of the Forest Service, Mr. Tidwell, said, yes, it was very 
successful; in fact, he said it was too successful. Too successful? How 
can you be too successful in putting out these fires? Too successful? 
That was his statement. Yes, it worked too well. Well, Mr. Tidwell, I 
want it to work too well because I don't want the forest to look like 
this. I don't want our communities to be greatly at risk.
  This is your standard operating practice. This is the outcome. I want 
you to

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go back to the 10 a.m. policy that says, Put it out by tomorrow at 10 
a.m. Then let's go in and let's start clearing our forest and cutting 
the fuels out. Let's start actually managing those forests, and then 
we'll stop burning them up. Then they'll be healthy forests, widely 
spaced trees. They will have enough nutrients. The bark beetles won't 
be able to get into them because they will be big, healthy trees.
  Right now, the bark beetles are killing millions of trees across the 
West because they're starved for nutrients. They're like children that 
don't have enough nutrition. They're weak. They're spindly. They're 
susceptible to not only fire, but disease and insects. And all of our 
specialists tell us, but we don't make a change.
  We've got many mountain communities in New Mexico. All of them face 
this same risk. We're not going to stand idly by while our chief U.S. 
forester says it's time to reintroduce fire back into our forests. I'm 
sorry. I disagree with the concept that our wildernesses will become 
charred stumps, that our national forests will not grow trees for 100 
to 150 years because the heat of these fires calcify the soil sometimes 
as deep as 3 feet. It turns it almost into a glass, where the trees 
can't get root. Only the grass and small shrubs that are able to get 
some rain at the top of the surface will penetrate this.
  We've got an area like that close to Cloudcroft, New Mexico. There 
was a very hot fire in the early fifties. It still is only shrubs. We 
haven't grown that forest back. So I believe when the specialists tell 
me it's going to be 100 to 150 years, I have seen at least 50 in that 
one forest myself. So I know that they're saying partial truths, and I 
think it to be complete truths.
  Why are we accepting this management process on our Nation's forests? 
It doesn't make sense. It is extremely costly to people. It's extremely 
costly to the government. We can and should use the resources of this 
country better and more fairly. We should allow our species to have 
forests to live in, not to burn them out and not to burn the species 
up.
  The spotted owl lives in this area, and you can see what's happening 
to his habitat. You can see what's happened to the spotted owls who 
were actually here. They don't exist anymore. The Fish and Wildlife 
Service in the past has said that this fire runs less risk to the 
spotted owl than logging. How can you say that this is less dangerous 
than doing this?

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  The logic is completely missing. Actually, the spotted owl thrives in 
these circumstances. The Mescalero tell us that they have numerous 
pairs that are coming back into the reservation because they have 
widely spaced trees. The spotted owl actually roosts in the tree, uses 
its altitude to glide off, catch its prey, and come back up. It cannot 
do that in this forest, and it can do it in this forest.
  So every argument that we are being faced with right now does not 
make logical sense as we talk about the policy here in Washington, D.C. 
It's a discussion that has now started in earnest in the West. The 
Eastern States, number one, don't have a problem with the drought. And 
number two, they don't have as much public land as we have in the West. 
It is the West that is burning up. It is us in the West.
  I'm the chairman of the Western Caucus, and we are taking the lead in 
voicing our complaint, our frustration, and our fears for the 
population because of the management of the forest in the West. Again, 
our highest compliments to the foresters who live and work in the West. 
It is not them. It is the policies coming from Washington, D.C. It's 
the culture, it's the thought process that somehow tries to justify the 
actions which are causing these monstrous, massive fires.
  We need to stop it today. We need to stop it now. We need to manage 
properly for the future so that all might enjoy these precious 
resources.
  Madam Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.

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