[Congressional Record Volume 158, Number 21 (Wednesday, February 8, 2012)]
[House]
[Pages H593-H615]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
EXPEDITED LEGISLATIVE LINE-ITEM VETO AND RESCISSIONS ACT OF 2012
Mr. WOODALL. Madam Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I
call up House Resolution 540 and ask for its immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:
H. Res. 540
Resolved, That at any time after the adoption of this
resolution the Speaker may, pursuant to clause 2(b) of rule
XVIII, declare the House resolved into the Committee of the
Whole House on the state of the Union for consideration of
the bill (H.R. 3521) to amend the Congressional Budget and
Impoundment Control Act of 1974 to provide for a legislative
line-item veto to expedite consideration of rescissions, and
for other purposes. The first reading of the bill shall be
dispensed with. All points of order against consideration of
the bill are waived. General debate shall be confined to the
bill and shall not exceed one hour equally divided among and
controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the
Committee on the Budget and Representative Simpson of Idaho
or his designee. After general debate the bill shall be
considered for amendment under the five-minute rule. In lieu
of the amendments recommended by the Committees on the Budget
and Rules now printed in the bill, it shall be in order to
consider as an original bill for the purpose of amendment
under the five-minute rule an amendment in the nature of a
substitute consisting of the text of Rules Committee Print
112-12. That amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be
considered as read. All points of order against that
amendment in the nature of a substitute are waived. No
amendment to that amendment in the nature of a substitute
shall be in order except those printed in the report of the
Committee on Rules accompanying this resolution. Each such
amendment may be offered only in the order printed in the
report, may be offered only by a Member designated in the
report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for
the time specified in the report equally divided and
controlled by the proponent and an opponent, shall not be
subject to amendment, and shall not be subject to a demand
for division of the question in the House or in the Committee
of the Whole. All points of order against such amendments are
waived. At the conclusion of consideration of the bill for
amendment the Committee shall rise and report the bill to the
House with such amendments as may have been adopted. Any
Member may demand a separate vote in the House on any
amendment adopted in the Committee of the Whole to the bill
or to the amendment in the nature of a substitute made in
order as original text. The previous question shall be
considered as ordered on the bill and amendments thereto to
final passage without intervening motion except one motion to
recommit with or without instructions.
Sec. 2. It shall be in order at any time on the
legislative day of February 9, 2012, for the Speaker to
entertain motions that the House suspend the rules, as though
under clause 1(c) of rule XV, relating to a measure
addressing securities trading based on nonpublic information.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Georgia is recognized for
1 hour.
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General Leave
Mr. WOODALL. Madam Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members
may have 5 legislative days to revise and extend their remarks.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Georgia?
There was no objection.
Mr. WOODALL. Madam Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield
the customary 30 minutes to my good friend from Colorado (Mr. Polis),
pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I'm pleased to be down here with you today, Madam Speaker, because
what we have an opportunity to do with this rule is bring another in a
series of 10 fundamental reforms to the congressional budgeting
process.
Today, House Resolution 540 provides a structured rule for
consideration of H.R. 3521, the Expedited Line-Item Veto and
Rescissions Act. And yet again today, with this rule we have made in
order every single amendment by either Republicans or Democrats that
was germane to the underlying legislation to give us an opportunity to
make this bill better.
Now, to be fair, Madam Speaker, H.R. 3521 is another example of
bipartisanship in this House. It was introduced and sponsored by both
the Republican chairman of the Budget Committee, Paul Ryan, and the
Democratic ranking member, Mr. Van Hollen, another opportunity of
things that we can do here in this new Congress to bring common sense
to our budgeting process.
It's a bipartisan attempt, Madam Speaker, to provide both Congress
and the President with all of the tools necessary to get our fiscal
challenges under control. It exemplifies what can happen here in this
body when we're willing to listen to folks back home and come together
to try to make a difference here in Congress.
In the 111th Congress, Madam Speaker, nondefense discretionary
spending was increased by almost 25 percent. This Congress, this body,
working with the Senate, increased nondefense discretionary spending by
almost 25 percent. Now, if your constituents are like mine, Madam
Speaker, had they had that budget around their family dinner table,
they could have found some items that they could have done without. In
exchange for not putting their children and their grandchildren further
and further and further in the hole, further and further and further
under the mountain of debt that this country has run up, they could
have found some things to cut.
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Now, Congress in the past has tried to pass a line-item veto, line-
item vetoes that I would have opposed had I been in Congress, Madam
Speaker, because they transferred our authority, our authority here in
the U.S. House of Representatives, to the executive branch. I'm opposed
to that.
What we have today is not that process of days of old, not that
process that has been tossed out by the Supreme Court as a violation of
our House prerogatives; but what we have today is an expedited
rescissions process that allows the President of the United States to
go through those budget bills, those appropriation bills, those funding
bills, to say, When I see this, it doesn't pass the smell test, let me
give the Congress one more shot at it; send it back to Capitol Hill,
where we accept it or reject it in its entirety.
I confess, Madam Speaker, I'm not thrilled about involving this
President in budgeting decisions any more than is absolutely necessary.
But given the nature of our challenges, it's not about this President
or the previous President or the next President. It's about the
American people. It's about what are we going to do to fulfill our
responsibilities to keep America strong. This is one of those bills,
Madam Speaker, that will provide another arrow in the quiver of fiscal
responsibility to this Nation, and I believe it's one whose time has
come.
Yesterday, we saw another bill in this budget reform process. Last
week, we saw two other bills in this budget reform process. Each are
coming to the floor, Madam Speaker, in as open and honest a process as
we can bring the American people into this budget process, to make
Congress' budget process as open and honest as it can be. As a proud
member of the Rules Committee, Madam Speaker, and of the Budget
Committee, I am here today in strong support of this rule and in strong
support of the underlying resolution.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POLIS. Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague from Georgia for
yielding me the customary 30 minutes, and I yield myself such time as I
may consume.
I rise today in opposition to this structured rule. This is yet
another example of this Congress' remarkable ability to take
commonsense measures and churn them, through partisan posturing, into
measures that not only put in jeopardy broad, bipartisan support from
this body, but significantly weaken them and reduce the quality of the
work product for the American people.
This rule that we're debating does two things. We'll have the
opportunity in a moment to talk about the Expedited Line-Item Veto and
Rescissions Act, an underlying bill that I strongly support, one that
would empower the President of the United States to use the line-item
veto on unnecessary expenditures to help reduce our deficit, subject to
an en masse approval vote of the United States Congress. It
fundamentally addresses some of the constitutional flaws with a broad
line-item veto, which has been attempted in the past, that many
Governors currently wield.
So it's, I think, a good-faith effort by both sides to come to
something that the American people think is common sense. Congress
should not be able to force the President to spend money in areas that
are unnecessary, that are earmarks, that are special interest
expenditures. The President can then highlight those, bring them back
to Congress, subject to an up-or-down vote.
The bigger problem with this rule is the other component of this
rule, which prevents Members from offering amendments that would
strengthen the STOCK Act--a very significant piece of reform
legislation offered by Mr. Walz and my Rules Committee colleague and
ranking member, Louise Slaughter, which I proudly cosponsor.
This bill, the STOCK Act, has been subject to a lot of media
attention of late. It would ban insider trading in Congress, again, a
commonsense approach and something that I think has broad, if not
universal, support on both sides of the aisle.
But a little bit of history of how we got here and why this
particular rule many on our side and I myself see as an attempt to
water down many of the critical provisions of the STOCK Act and make it
less meaningful in responding to the public outrage about perceived
behaviors that can occur, both among the Members and the staff in this
body, as well as on the executive side of government.
This bill has been introduced, the STOCK Act, by Representative
Slaughter for 6 years now. I've been a cosponsor since last year. It
has rapidly picked up cosponsors in the last year, including close to
100 cosponsors from the other side of the aisle. It's a strong
bipartisan piece of legislation with strong support.
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First, this bill, the STOCK Act, was blocked by the majority leader.
Now it's being rewritten behind closed doors and without the input of
Mr. Walz or Ms. Slaughter. We don't know what this so-called STOCK Act
will contain. We have reason to believe it will water down a number of
provisions of the STOCK Act.
It's my understanding that at least the version of the STOCK Act
released last night removed the requirement that political intelligence
firms register as lobbyists. Now, what are political intelligence
firms? They are firms that are hired by those who do financial
transactions and effectively bet on stocks going up or down. Hedge
funds, et cetera, would hire these political information firms to try
to figure out, using their connections, what Members of Congress and,
just as importantly, committee staff and staff members are thinking,
and timing, with regard to hearings and the introductions of bills.
Now, in an open system, obviously, discussion among people is
certainly fine, but the issue is whether they have to register as
lobbyists. Lobbyists have a registration process that critically
includes who their clients are to provide visibility and transparency
into who their clients are.
Political intelligence firms do not need to register under current
law. They would be required to register under the STOCK Act. But under
the version, the weakening of the STOCK Act that Leader Cantor posted
to the Web site, they would no longer be required to register. In fact,
specifically, from the Web page of a political intelligence firm, it
says that they, in fact, relish this ability to operate in secrecy.
Quoting from their Web site it says: ``providing the service for
clients who do not want their interest in an issue publicly known.''
So again, there is this, I think, commonsense loophole that the
American people are outraged over that allows people to avoid
registering as lobbyists who are in the business of developing
relationships with Members and their staffs for the purpose of seeking
inside information for financial gain. And I would strongly recommend
that any serious STOCK Act include a registration requirement around
political intelligence firms.
We also won't have the opportunity in the House, as the Senate did,
to make the STOCK Act stronger and to strengthen the bill through the
amendment process. Under this particular version of this rule that
we're debating, there will be zero, zero amendments allowed--no
amendments from Republicans and no amendments from Democrats to
strengthen the STOCK Act.
Now, even the Senate, which is hardly known for its legislative
efficiency, was able to consider amendments and get the bill done and
passed because of its bipartisan support. We should do so in the House
under an open process, or even a controlled process, 10, 15, 20
amendments.
I know Members across both sides of the aisle have ideas about how to
reduce the perceived inequities and conflicts of interest that exist,
both among Members and appointees, and on the executive side of
government. We owe nothing less to the American people.
So I am terribly disappointed that this rule will not allow for any
strengthening of the STOCK Act and, quite to the contrary, actually
deals it a severe weakening blow by removing political intelligence.
Furthermore, we don't know, at this point, what exactly will be in
this STOCK Act that potentially could be under consideration tomorrow.
Contrary to the promise that the Republican majority made to the
American people about having time to read bills, it's my understanding
that an initial
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version was posted last night. It's my understanding that a subsequent
version weakening the STOCK Act was posted just an hour ago, which I
don't think any of us have had the opportunity to read.
We fear that this could be changed again; and, yet, under this rule,
this Congress could be called on to act on this tomorrow, to vote on
this tomorrow, with no opportunity to strengthen the bill, no
opportunity to prevent the watering down of the bill by the majority
leader of this body, which is occurring behind closed doors as we
speak.
Now, again, while I cannot support the rule for those reasons, I want
to also discuss one of the underlying bills that this rule will bring
to the House, which is the Expedited Line-Item Veto and Rescissions
Act. This act is an important step, albeit a small step, a small but
constructive step, towards the cause of deficit reduction and
eliminating the wasteful spending and earmarks that have too often been
the hallmark of this Congress and past Congresses.
Now, Members on both sides of the aisle have disagreements about this
bill. When you have a bill that impacts legislative prerogative, that's
likely to be the case. I know some are concerned about
constitutionality, generally, of line-item veto bills. I believe that
this bill was carefully crafted to take into account those valid
constitutional arguments about the separation of powers and the
prerogative of the legislative branch.
This legislation strikes the correct balance between the Framers'
intent to place the power of the purse in the hands of Congress, which
retains, under this bill, the ability to approve or disapprove of any
Presidential line-item veto, with the need to cut out wasteful spending
that piggybacks on larger, must-pass legislation which, whether it's an
omnibus or an appropriations bill, we know that this body has been
unable to produce, cleaner, leaner spending bills. And I think it can
be a constructive step to enlist the help of the President of the
United States in removing unnecessary and indefensible pork from
spending bills.
I would also add that this bill is a welcome change for many of the
other so-called budget-reform bills that have been brought forward by
the House Budget Committee. The House Budget Committee has brought
forward bills to pretend that inflation doesn't exist. They've brought
forward bills to have funny scoring, trick scoring, dynamic scoring,
rather than the usual objective process of the Congressional Budget
Office.
But you can't pretend the deficit away. You can't pretend the deficit
away by assuming there's no inflation. You can't pretend the deficit
away by putting in wacky numbers that are whatever you feel like, based
on your biases.
So this bill is really the first budget bill that is a constructive
step towards actually controlling spending, something that I've often
heard Members of both parties pay lip service to, but this body has
done relatively little to address that notable goal of budgeting our
budget.
However, there's a lot more to do. I've always maintained, as have
many on my side of the aisle, that rather than talking about balancing
the budget, rather than talking about what we want to do, and rather
than trying to change the rules, let's balance the budget. The
supercommittee had an opportunity to do that with a balanced approach.
The President of the United States has called for a balanced approach
to balance the budget. The President of the United States has convened
the Simpson-Bowles Commission to outline specific plans around ending
our budget deficit and returning our Nation to fiscal responsibility.
That bill, from the Simpson-Bowles Commission, there were no bills that
have been taken up by this body that would fundamentally address the
very real budget problems that we face.
And to be clear, we cannot simply pass this Expedited Line-Item Veto
and Rescissions Act and say, problem solved, game over, let's go home.
A constructive step towards balancing our budget, yes, but a small
step, a baby step, a potential step in the right direction, but one
that, by no means, should get Congress out of the responsibility of
acting responsibly in a balanced manner to balance our budget, right
our fiscal ship, ensure the long-term integrity of Social Security and
Medicare, and balance our budget deficit.
We need to use a balanced approach to budget challenges. The approach
needs to be comprehensive and bipartisan. I would like to maintain some
hope and optimism that perhaps the Expedited Line-Item Veto and
Rescissions Act would be a small first step towards a larger
collaboration between the two parties to tackle the issues of the day.
While not, in and of itself, the real progress we need to actually
solve the budget item, the Expedited Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act
will assist lawmakers in targeting wasteful government spending. Unlike
previous attempts at a line-item veto that have been ruled
unconstitutional, the Expedited Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act
respects the careful system of checks and balances that our Framers
established.
Under this bill, the President can highlight unjustified government
spending that's wasteful, and the President can then identify those
items, but it has to come back to Congress to affirmatively approve, by
majority, any cancellation of expenditures in those areas. Let them be
debated and defended on their merits, rather than slipped in to
thousand-page bills in the dark of night.
Further, the President's withholding authority is limited. The
President can only hold back on spending for 45 days after the
appropriations bill has been enacted.
I think this bill can be a step towards putting our Nation on a path
towards fiscal discipline and a balanced budget. I am aware that there
are those on both sides that, for constitutional or legislative
prerogative reasons, feel differently than I do. But I think a ``yes''
vote on the underlying bill would be a small positive step towards
combating the runaway spending that has characterized not only this
Republican Congress, but prior Congresses controlled by both parties.
I reserve the balance of my time.
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Mr. WOODALL. Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume
to thank the gentleman for his kind words about the underlying bill.
I say with the utmost sincerity that here in my freshman term in
Congress, one of the Members I have enjoyed working with the most is
Mr. Polis. You can always count on him in the Rules Committee to say
something unexpected. You can't pigeonhole him as to where he's going
to be on things because he's thoughtful about all of the issues. And I
would hope that he would find that to be one of the highest compliments
we can pay to a Member, to find a thoughtful Member here in this body,
and it's certainly been my pleasure to work with him.
I agree with him that we can't pretend the deficit away. We can't use
wacky numbers, I think was his word, to wish the deficit away, though
we do have a difference of opinion about where that pretending comes
from and where the wacky numbers come from.
As a member of the Budget Committee, I will tell you that the steps
we're taking this year are changing a historical process of pretending
the deficit away, bringing in real accounting, changing a historical
process of generating wacky numbers and bringing in new, honest
accounting.
But I also want to say this, Madam Speaker. As folks come to the
floor to talk about whether or not we're actually saving any money
today, whether we're cutting the budget today, whether we're creating
jobs today, this is a Budget Committee bill.
As a member of the Budget Committee, I wish it were in my authority
to cut spending and create jobs, because, by golly, I've got to tell
you, I could do it, bring bills to the floor on a regular basis to
promote those ideas. But it's not within the Budget Committee's
authority.
What is in the Budget Committee's authority to do is craft the most
honest numbers possible to share with the American people to describe
what it is that we're doing with their tax dollars day in and day out.
That's exactly what this legislation is designed to do. That's exactly
what the other nine pieces of budget reform legislation the Budget
Committee is moving, what they are designed to do.
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It is really with great pride, again, as a new member to the Budget
Committee, to have my colleague from Colorado say such nice things
about this bipartisan work, about the hope that this presents for us
moving forward, and I, too, hope we'll be able to build on that
progress.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POLIS. Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I might
consume.
If we defeat the previous question, I will offer an amendment to the
rule to ensure that the House votes on the political intelligence
provisions that are included in the STOCK Act written by Ms. Slaughter
and Mr. Walz as a standalone bill. This bill will help shine sunlight
onto political intelligence firms and require that they register as
lobbyists. This provision already has the support of a majority of the
Members of this body--285 Members, including 99 Republicans.
The fact that the Republican leadership has weakened and watered down
the STOCK Act by stripping out this provision we'll be considering this
week is both shameful and wrong. It's clear that this House needs to
act, and it will be my hope that we defeat the previous question and
I'm able to offer this amendment.
I am honored to yield 5 minutes to the gentlewoman from New York (Ms.
Slaughter), the ranking member of the Rules Committee and the sponsor
of the STOCK Act.
Ms. SLAUGHTER. Madam Speaker, I thank my friend, my colleague, for
yielding to me.
This is terribly important to me. I've spent 6 years of my life on
this bill, so bear with me if I get a little emotional.
Today, I urge my colleagues to defeat the previous question so that
we can strengthen the STOCK Act bill that has been weakened by House
Republican leadership behind closed doors and in the dark of night.
When writing their own version of the STOCK Act, Majority Leader Cantor
and House Republican leadership did not consult the bipartisan
coalition that has championed this bill and, over the week, neither I
nor Mr. Walz were asked to contribute to the final product, nor was our
leader consulted in any way. Despite championing the bill for 6 years,
I was left completely out.
As a matter of fact, the way the bill is structured, I won't even
have an opportunity to offer an amendment to put back the political
intelligence piece, which I think is really the heart of the bill. The
bill was changed from a bill to a suspension, which means that the
minority will have neither the right of a motion to recommit or an
opportunity to amend this bill in any way. That contrasts completely
with what happened over in the Senate when Members of the Senate were
allowed to present amendments to this bill, and many of them did it
successfully.
But what we got here was a flawed bill last night and a need to
reintroduce revised legislation earlier today. As a matter of fact, the
bill they put out last night has already been superceded by one about
45 minutes ago, which shows you that if you write something in the dark
of night, you may not know what you wrote.
Despite their many changes, the bill is weaker, not stronger, than
before. The simple truth is that the bill introduced by House
Republicans waters down government reform, particularly when it comes
to regulating the political intelligence industry.
Political intelligence is the latest scheme to profit from the Halls
of Congress. The industry profits to the tune of $400 million annually,
and that's all we know. That grew considerably this week from the
information that we had previously. We don't even know where it is, but
this is at least almost half a billion dollars a year. They glean
valuable information and they sell that information to high-paying Wall
Street clients.
None of my constituents are able to do anything like that. They have
no prior information, and they expect their Congress to be more decent
and with more integrity than to be doing that.
But like the lobbyists before them, political intelligence operatives
use a proximity to power to serve high-paying clients. Unlike the
lobbyists, they are nameless. Under the current law, they're not
required to identify themselves as they go about their work. They're
completely unregulated.
America knows all too well what happens when Congress and K Street
meet in the dark. From Jack Abramoff to Tom DeLay, corruption can
spread through the highest reaches of Congress without the proper
controls, and we know it. But with the STOCK Act, we have a chance to
be proactive and simply require--no big whoop--the operatives to
register as a lobbyist so we know who they are.
This is not a radical idea, but over the last week the outcry from K
Street has been deafening. Soon after they rang the alarm, the House
Republican leadership locked themselves behind closed doors where they
reworked my original legislation and removed the language that
regulated the political intelligence community. We're now set to
consider a bill that commissions a study on political intelligence,
hardly the type of action that will restore America's faith in this
institution.
Did House Republican leadership return to their Abramoff-era ways and
put the needs of K Street before Main Street? We will never know,
because we don't know who they are and what they're doing, but we know
that they're doing something.
What we do know is that the regulation of the political intelligence
community was supported by 285 Members of Congress who were cosponsors
of our original bill, including 99 Republicans, to whom we are
extremely grateful, and a bipartisan supermajority in the Senate. The
bill, as you know, passed over there 96-3. What we do know is that
after emerging from behind the closed doors, the bill introduced by Mr.
Cantor does nothing to regulate the political intelligence community.
The House leadership should have allowed this bill to be finalized in
an open and transparent manner. It's that important. America is
watching. I have never seen the editorial support or the outpouring of
support like we have had on this measure. People want us to be doing
this. It is really beyond my ken that we are doing this in such a
hidden and weak way. But this has been allowed to come to the floor.
I'm confident that my 285 colleagues who supported the original STOCK
Act would have passed the tough regulations for the political
intelligence community.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. POLIS. I would be happy to yield an additional minute to the
gentlelady from New York.
Ms. SLAUGHTER. I thank the gentleman.
Instead, the majority continued their ``my way or the highway''
approach and shut out their colleagues and made partisan changes to a
bipartisan bill. As a result, a bipartisan coalition in the House is
left with one option: to reintroduce our political intelligence
regulations by defeating the previous question. Putting Main Street
before K Street starts here.
I urge my colleagues to defeat the previous question, reinsert
language to regulate a growing K Street industry, and make the STOCK
Act as strong as it was when I introduced it 6 years ago.
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Mr. WOODALL. Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume
to say that I appreciate the gentlelady's work. I know that her effort
on the STOCK Act comes from the heart. I disagree with a lot of the
underlying crafting of that bill, but I know that the effort is to
solve a very real problem and to solve it in a very genuine way, and I
am grateful to her for that.
At this time, Madam Speaker, I would like to yield such time as he
may consume to the gentleman from Florida, Sheriff Nugent, one of my
freshman colleagues, who also comes to this issue with a pure heart and
who has an alternative proposal here in the House to prevent insider
trading, of which I am a strong supporter. He is also my colleague and
seatmate in the Rules Committee.
Mr. NUGENT. I want to thank my very good friend from the great State
of Georgia (Mr. Woodall) for the time. As he mentioned, we both sit on
the Rules Committee.
Madam Speaker, today I rise in support of H. Res. 540, and the issue
we are talking about is whether or not the American people can trust
us.
Today, Congress has a job approval rating of--what?--10, 11, 12
percent.
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The American people are pretty sick of us, and I don't blame them. Ms.
Slaughter has been working on the STOCK Act bill for over 6 years,
which is commendable. Yet it's unfortunate that it never came to the
Democratic Congress when it had control. That's very unfortunate that
she was never able to move it forward. If anything, as we move forward
here, I am amazed that 13 percent of folks actually approve of the work
we're doing. I can't believe there is even 1 percent.
It was only about a year ago that I was one of those people who was
disappointed in this body, but my parents always taught me that, if
you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. So,
sure enough, I ran for Congress, and the people of Florida's Fifth
Congressional District put their trust in me to represent them.
One thing I promised the folks back home is that I was never going to
use my service in the House of Representatives to enrich myself, which
is why I turned down the congressional health benefits. That's why I
introduced my bill, H.R. 981, the Congress is Not a Career Act, so that
I could turn down the congressional pension that I am legally required
to take. That's why I think that trading on any kind of insider
knowledge received through the virtue of working in this office is flat
out, downright wrong. Anybody who uses his office to get rich and game
the markets should go to jail. It's that simple. I've put people in
jail for doing things that were illegal.
Madam Speaker, sometimes I wonder if folks right here in this very
Chamber forget about what we're talking about. We're talking about the
United States Congress. We're talking about the institution that makes
up the first branch of government. We're talking about the people's
branch. We're talking about the institution where men like Madison,
Monroe, John Quincy Adams, JFK, and George H.W. Bush all served at one
point or another in their careers.
This is an institution that ought to be held to the highest
standards, an institution that I, at least, expect more from, and we're
failing--we're failing our constituents; we're failing ourselves; and
we're just outright failing.
What we need to do now is take deliberate steps towards making things
better. We need to prove to the American people that we hear them and
that they're right and that we're going to do better. One major step in
the right direction would be in showing our commitment to ethics reform
and in ensuring that we aren't using Congress as a way to line our own
pockets.
As the Tampa Bay Times wrote in an editorial just this morning, the
United States Congress needs to ``finally address the exploitation of
public office for individual financial gain.'' H. Res. 540 lets us
bring that discussion to the floor of the House of Representatives,
which is where it belongs.
I've gotten up here, Madam Speaker, and have spent a lot of time
talking about honesty and of doing better, so here is my opportunity to
be honest with everyone here and with everybody watching us at home.
If it were up to me, we wouldn't be voting on this bill that we'll be
voting on tomorrow. As I see it, the STOCK Act we'll be voting on
tomorrow has some problems. Transparency and openness mean that we'll
be able to look at all of these problems and really think about if the
benefits outweigh the costs. It means that we will be able to have a
full and knowledgeable discussion about the STOCK Act on the floor of
this House tomorrow.
But I've got to tell you that the process that got us to where we are
today and where we're going tomorrow is just wrong. Thirty-eight pages
isn't a long bill in congressional speak, but it's 38 pages that never
went through the normal legislative process, and it's 38 pages that we
didn't get an opportunity to amend. Since I'm being honest, there are
better alternatives out there than the STOCK Act, which is what we're
going to be voting on tomorrow.
One of those options is my bill, H.R. 3639, the Prevent Insider
Trading by Elected Officials Act. My bill is only 1\1/2\ pages long.
It's quick; it's easy and to the point, and all elected officials both
in the legislative branch and in the executive branch are required to
put their stocks, bonds, securities--whatever you have--into a blind
trust. It's just that simple. If you don't know what you have, you
can't trade it based on insider knowledge. That's what a blind trust is
all about. My bill is 1\1/2\ pages, and there is no room for loopholes.
Legislation up here is written by attorneys that sometimes only
attorneys can understand, and there are loopholes in all of this.
If I had my way, the discussion we'd be having on the floor tomorrow
wouldn't be about honest services provisions, IPO sales, or registering
searchable mortgages and disclosures and whatnot online, but that's not
my call. So we're here today, and at least we've gotten this far. I
wish we were doing more.
This is the United States Congress we're talking about. When I was
growing up, it was supposed to mean something, and I'm hoping it still
does. If it does, then we need to be holding ourselves to the highest
of standards. The American people ought to know that they can have
faith in the people who are serving them here in Washington.
Do I think this is the very best step? No, I do not. Do I think it's
better than the bill the United States Senate sent to us through that
rushed process--a bill that has conflicting provisions and at its core
doesn't, in fact, address the problem that the American people want
fixed? No doubt about it.
I wish the Senate hadn't rushed the STOCK Act. I suspect Harry Reid
just really needed a shiny object he could wave and point to, hoping he
could distract the American people long enough to forget that it has
been over 1,000 days since the United States Senate passed a budget. He
has already promised that they wouldn't even have one for this next
year. If not for the rush, then we probably wouldn't be forced into
acting on this at such breakneck speed.
Do I think that this is a discussion we must have and need to have?
Absolutely. That's why I'm going to support this rule.
I'm being honest. I wish we'd done it differently, but we're here to
work the will of the people, and that's the most important thing right
now.
Mr. POLIS. I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Madam Speaker, I have to say, after hearing my colleague from
Florida, I'm a little bit confused about where he stands.
Certainly, his arguments were many of the same arguments that I and
others have been making. In fact, Ranking Member Slaughter proposed in
committee yesterday to strike suspensions authority specifically so the
gentleman from Florida could offer his bill as an amendment to the bill
and so we could have a discussion about this blind trust issue. I think
that would have been a better way to have brought it to the floor.
Yet the gentleman from Florida voted ``no'' yesterday to the
provision that he is effectively trying to argue for on the floor
today. He concluded his remarks by confirming that he plans to vote for
a rule that fundamentally doesn't allow him to do what he thinks needs
to be done to restore ethics and integrity to this body.
So I think that that is an example of the type of contradictions that
we're hearing, but I would urge the gentleman to be convinced by his
own arguments so that he might join me in opposing the previous
question and in opposing the rule.
Madam Speaker, it is my honor to yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the
gentleman from Minnesota, an original sponsor of the STOCK Act, Mr.
Walz.
Mr. WALZ of Minnesota. I thank the gentleman from Colorado for
yielding.
As the American people watch us here, the previous gentleman from
Florida was right in that the frustration levels are as high as they've
been with this sacred institution, with this idea of self-governance.
It would be a lot easier if we didn't have to go through all of this.
I hear some of my constituents sometimes say, We need to get rid of
some of you Members of Congress. There are too many of you.
I say, Why think small? Get rid of all of us and name a king. Then we
don't have to do a dang thing, do we? They can think for us.
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The idea is coming here together to self-govern ourselves. And the
gentleman and all the speakers were right: It's about the integrity of
this institution. It will be here, and it will stand
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when we are long gone and forgotten. Our children will inherit this
place and the things that happen here. The integrity of this
institution stands above all else. That's why when I walked through
this door, coming out of a classroom in Mankato, Minnesota, after a
career in the military and in teaching, I was approached by Louise
Slaughter who said, You were sent here to do things differently. It's
about making this place work, and I've got a bill for you. And for 5
years, Louise and I and seven others have tried to make this case. So I
am pleased today that it's here.
It's not perfect. As one of our former colleagues, Dave Obey, used to
say, Of course it's not perfect. You'll get perfect in heaven. And this
place is a lot closer than hell, so let's take a compromise. Let's get
something done for the American public that restores their trust, and
then lets move on to debate the important issues of employment, of
caring for our veterans, of educating our children, of securing our
Nation.
Louise Slaughter has been there every step of the way. This was not a
twelfth-hour comeback to the righteousness thing. Louise has lived this
way. When she says this issue of political intelligence and gathering
here is undermining our markets and our trust, she knows something
about it.
We're going to make a compromise. We're going to move a piece of
legislation forward that is a step on a journey, not a destination. It
is a quest towards a more perfect union. This is one small step.
This is the only place in the world where doing something right lets
us pat ourselves on the back. This is what Americans do every day. We
need to assure them we're there.
But this offering of adding this piece is all part of the bigger
puzzle. I am in full support. I am proud to serve with the gentlelady
from New York. She has been a champion. And it's not about our
political differences.
I thank all the Members here who spoke eloquently about restoring
faith in this. The public wants us to come here and debate differences
for the direction of our country. They don't want us to tear each other
down, and they don't want us to game the system.
Mr. WOODALL. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I thank my friend for his kind comments. I know that Mr. Walz and Ms.
Slaughter have been working for years and years on this proposal. And
again, I have some issues with this proposal. I do believe that there
are some better options out there. But I must speak up on behalf of the
leadership in this House.
For Congress after Congress after Congress, Ms. Slaughter labored to
bring this bill to the floor, labored to bring this bill to the floor
to no avail, to no avail, through 4 years of democratically controlled
Congresses--folks who have the deepest respect and admiration for the
gentlelady and her legislation--failed to bring this legislation to the
floor. And the rule we have here today does. It does. It's not the only
way to bring this legislation to the floor. It's not even a requirement
that the legislation come to the floor in this way. But what this rule
does is it provides the first opportunity that this Congress has had to
vote on the STOCK Act. Madam Speaker, that's not a topic for the
gnashing of teeth. That's a topic for the clapping of hands.
If you believe in this bill, if you believe, as Mr. Walz said, that
this may not be the end-all/be-all, but it's a step in that direction,
if we can move a little today and a little tomorrow and a little beyond
that to ultimately get to where we need to be, this is a step in the
right direction.
As a member of the Budget Committee, Madam Speaker, it just happens
to be my privilege that that opportunity was attached to the bottom of
a budget rule because the truth is, the reason we are here today is not
to talk about the STOCK Act and not to talk about ethics reform but to
talk about budget process reform, budget process reform that was
reported out of the Budget Committee in a bipartisan way, budget
process reform that was sponsored by both the Republican chairman of
the Budget Committee and the Democratic ranking member of the Budget
Committee--budget process reform that makes sure that every little
piece of the United States budget, every topic in an appropriations
bill, doesn't just get examined in committee, doesn't just get examined
on the House floor, doesn't just get examined at the White House, but
gets examined one more time for those things that just don't pass the
smell test, by coming back to this body for an up-or-down vote on that
rescission.
I would inquire of my friend from Colorado if he has any speakers
remaining?
Mr. POLIS. Yes, I do. I have one further request for time.
Mr. WOODALL. I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POLIS. It's my honor to yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from
Texas (Ms. Jackson Lee).
Ms. JACKSON LEE of Texas. I'm always in awe at the gentleman from the
Rules Committee who has just spoken so eloquently about consensus and
coming together. I've seen him in action in the Rules Committee. And
certainly we thank the members of the Rules Committee for their
service. We know that his history brings him here after being a
staffer, so he knows this institution. He knows where all the bathrooms
are. He knows about how much good we can do. I'm grateful for him
acknowledging our friends, Congresswoman Slaughter and Mr. Walz, who
have been working and, of course, who wanted to have their bill come
forward in a way that would be transparent and to have the opportunity
for all facets of this bill to be understood. So I thank the gentleman
from Colorado (Mr. Polis) for his leadership. So it begs the question
of how we have the cloak-and-dagger midnight legislation trick that
really is not befitting of this carefully drawn initiative.
Let me share with my colleagues why I am so concerned about good work
that should be presented as good work. At this moment, we are trying to
make sure that no one has insider trading. And if we had a sledgehammer
here, we would go around and make sure to stamp it out. But we are
doing it through legislation, and you can't do it by legislation and
half-fix it. We can't misrepresent to our colleagues and the American
people.
Right now, the language that was in Ms. Slaughter's bill dealing with
political intelligence firms that have grown dramatically over the last
few decades and are now a $100 million industry and are sharing moneys
and resources and information, intel, with Wall Street every single
day, and investors who are unfairly profiting at the benefit or the
loss of the American people----
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. POLIS. I yield a total of 1 additional minute to the gentlewoman
from Texas.
Ms. JACKSON LEE of Texas. I thank the gentleman.
Some single mother, some hardworking parents are being taken
advantage of because they--our friends on the other side--have taken
language out that would deal with the transferring of political
intelligence by political insiders.
We need to be able to vote ``no'' on the previous question to allow
this language to come up. And it's a closed rule, and it's by
suspension. For those of you who know that, nobody gets a chance to do
anything. It's a super majority. Then to add insult to injury, they've
got an expedited veto bill in here that would take away the powers of
the three branches of government, slam the Congress that should be here
doing its work--that's what you asked us to come here to do--and allow
this expedited veto to go forward and to undermine the give-and-take of
the three branches of government, which is what the Constitution asks
us to do.
I would ask us to vote ``no'' on turning the lights out and using
dagger politics to keep the American people from knowing what is going
on. I ask for a ``no'' on this vote.
Mr. WOODALL. Madam Speaker, I would inquire of my friend if he has
any further requests for time.
Mr. POLIS. I am prepared to close.
Mr. WOODALL. I'm prepared to close as well.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Colorado has 3\1/2\
minutes remaining.
Mr. POLIS. Madam Speaker, I yield myself the remainder of my time.
The Expedited Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act is a fiscally sound
way for both Congress and the President to reduce wasteful government
spending and ensure that American taxpayer dollars are spent wisely.
This legislation will help in a small way to address
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our budget crisis. Again, I want to be clear that the Expedited Line-
Item Veto and Rescissions Act does not solve our deficit, does not
restore fiscal discipline and fiscal integrity to our country, but is a
step in the right direction that will produce savings that will all be
applied to deficit reduction under this bill.
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The bill is a balanced measure, and I know that there is some support
and opposition from both sides of the aisle. I encourage my colleagues
to seriously consider supporting this small, but important, step
forward.
The country's budget situation is dire. The supercommittee's failure
and the threat of sequestration underscores the need to address our
fiscal policies head on. The worst possible outcome is that we pat
ourselves on the back and say ``job well done'' while this country
faces record deficits of trillions of dollars over the next 10 years.
We need a big and balanced budget compromise to reduce our Nation's
debt. Passing the bipartisan Expedited Line-Item Veto and Rescissions
Act will be a small step and keep us on track to help restore fiscal
integrity to our country; but we need to remind ourselves that it is
only a small first step toward addressing our budget problem.
I urge my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to extend the
unemployment insurance and middle class tax cuts to reach a big, bold,
and balanced solution to our Federal budget situation along the lines
of the President's commission.
I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of the amendment in the
Record along with extraneous material immediately prior to the vote on
the previous question.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Colorado?
There was no objection.
Mr. POLIS. I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' and defeat the
previous question. I urge a ``no'' vote on the rule, and I yield back
the balance of my time.
Mr. WOODALL. Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
It really is a source of pride for me as a Budget Committee member to
be a part of this. This is an effort, much like the STOCK Act, that did
not begin in this Congress. The Expedited Line-Item Veto is an effort
that has been going on for almost two decades here in this body. And
previous attempts, Madam Speaker, I would argue, were in fact an
unconstitutional delegation of our responsibility here in the House to
legislate delegating that responsibility to the President.
This underlying bill, however, looks less like a line-item veto and
more like an expedited rescission, rescission authority that the
President already has today, but ensures that when that rescission is
presented, it actually gets a vote here on the House floor.
If these were wonderful economic times, Madam Speaker, I don't know
if I would be as enthusiastic about this legislation, but these are
dire economic times. Our budget challenges here have grown
exponentially in my life time. And I think we must pull out every
single stop that we can to make the situation better. Whether a little
or whether a lot, every single opportunity we must seize. And this is
one of those. I so appreciate, again, the work of Chairman Ryan and
Ranking Member Van Hollen in bringing this forward.
But I would be remiss, Madam Speaker, if given all of the talk about
the STOCK Act today, I didn't speak up just a little on behalf of my
colleagues. I have served now 13 months as a Member of Congress. I see
good and decent, hardworking men and women trying to do the very best
that they can for their Nation. I see men and women from different
parts of the country whose constituencies have different hopes and
dreams, and those Members coming here to advocate for those hopes and
dreams as best as they can. And I see a population back home that has
lost all faith in those good men and women here in this body. And I
wonder what we do here in this body to perpetuate that stereotype.
You know, the STOCK Act, Madam Speaker, has been characterized
colloquially as the prevent-insider-trading-by-Members-of-Congress as
if, as if Members of Congress are allowed to participate in insider
trading today. And they are not. Insider trading was against the law
yesterday, it was against the law a week ago, it was against the law a
year ago, and it will still be against the law tomorrow. Do not let
your constituents, Madam Speaker, believe for a minute that you have a
right to insider trade when they don't. The laws of the land apply to
us as well, and we owe it to this institution and we owe it to our
constituents back home to tell them they are not being represented by a
bunch of thieves and scoundrels, but they are being represented by
their neighbors. Can we do even more? Must we do even more? We must.
Thirty-eight pages in the STOCK Act of new criminal regulations, new
sanctions. If you got bribed last week, you're going to go to prison
for a number of years. If you get bribed next week, you're going to go
to prison for more years. Folks, don't get bribed. It was wrong
yesterday; it is wrong tomorrow. It's not more wrong because we're
deciding this here today.
We have a responsibility to do the job we have been entrusted to do,
and we must punish the bad actors in this body, but we cannot let our
constituents back home believe that this body cannot be saved. We
cannot let our constituents back home believe that this body is being
operated by folks who breach the public trust. We do America a
disservice, Madam Speaker, when we allow that contention to go
unchallenged.
Are there bad apples here in this Congress? I don't know if they are
here today. I know they have been here in years past. And we've sent
those folks to prison. There are bad apples in my church; we've sent
those folks to prison, too.
This body is only as good as the American voter back home. And I tell
you, Madam Speaker, if your district is like my district, the American
voter back home is spectacular. The American voter back home is a man
or woman of integrity. The American voter back home is a person with
hopes and dreams for a better America tomorrow than we have today. We
can deliver that on their behalf. We are the voice of those hopes and
dreams in this body.
The kind of bipartisan work that we've done on the Expedited Line-
Item Veto and Rescissions Act, I say that is exemplary. My colleague
who chuckles, Madam Speaker, has been here longer than I. He's been
here longer than I. I don't believe he's beyond saving, though. I think
we can convince him that it's not a laughable matter to work together,
that it's actually something that folks do. And I'm optimistic to be
the carrier of that message today and tomorrow.
With that, let me again urge strong support for the rule. The rule
both allows the Expedited Line-Item Veto bill to come to the floor, as
well as provides an opportunity for the very first time a vote on the
STOCK Act here in this body. I rise in strong support of that rule and
in strong support of the underlying provision.
The material previously referred to by Mr. Polis is as follows:
An Amendment to H. Res. 540 Offered by Mr. Polis of Colorado
At the end of the resolution, add the following new
sections:
Sec. 3. Immediately upon adoption of this resolution the
Speaker shall, pursuant to clause 2(b) of rule XVIII, declare
the House resolved into the Committee of the Whole House on
the state of the Union for consideration of a bill consisting
of the text specified in section 5, which will bear the title
``to provide for disclosure of political intelligence
activities under the Lobbying Disclosure Act''. The first
reading of the bill shall be dispensed with. All points of
order against consideration of the bill are waived. General
debate shall be confined to the bill and shall not exceed one
hour equally divided between the chair and ranking minority
member of the Committee on the Judiciary. After general
debate the bill shall be considered for amendment under the
five-minute rule. All points of order against provisions in
the bill are waived. At the conclusion of consideration of
the bill for amendment the Committee shall rise and report
the bill to the House with such amendments as may have been
adopted. The previous question shall be considered as ordered
on the bill and amendments thereto to final passage without
intervening motion except one motion to recommit with or
without instructions. If the Committee of the Whole rises and
reports that it has come to no resolution on the bill, then
on the next legislative day the House
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shall, immediately after the third daily order of business
under clause 1 of rule XIV, resolve into the Committee of the
Whole for further consideration of the bill.
Sec. 4. Clause 1(c) of rule XIX shall not apply to the
consideration of the bill specified in section 3 of this
resolution.
Sec. 5. The text referred to in section 3 is as follows:
SEC. 1. DISCLOSURE OF POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES UNDER
LOBBYING DISCLOSURE ACT.
(a) Definitions.--Section 3 of the Lobbying Disclosure Act
of 1995 (2 U.S.C. 1602) is amended--
(1) in paragraph (2)--
(A) by inserting after ``lobbying activities'' each place
that term appears the following: ``or political intelligence
activities''; and
(B) by inserting after ``lobbyists'' the following: ``or
political intelligence consultants''; and
(2) by adding at the end the following new paragraphs:
(17) Political intelligence activities.--The term
`political intelligence activities' means political
intelligence contacts and efforts in support of such
contacts, including preparation and planning activities,
research, and other background work that is intended, at the
time it is performed, for use in contacts, and coordination
with such contacts and efforts of others.
(18) Political intelligence contact.--
``(A) Definition.--The term `political intelligence
contact' means any oral or written communication (including
an electronic communication) to or from a covered executive
branch official or a covered legislative branch official, the
information derived from which is intended for use in
analyzing securities or commodities markets, or in informing
investment decisions, and which is made on behalf of a client
with regard to--
``(i) the formulation, modification, or adoption of Federal
legislation (including legislative proposals);
``(ii) the formulation, modification, or adoption of a
Federal rule, regulation, Executive order, or any other
program, policy, or position of the United States Government;
or
``(iii) the administration or execution of a Federal
program or policy (including the negotiation, award, or
administration of a Federal contract, grant, loan, permit, or
license).
``(B) Exception.--The term `political intelligence contact'
does not include a communication that is made by or to a
representative of the media if the purpose of the
communication is gathering and disseminating news and
information to the public.
``(19) Political intelligence firm.--The term `political
intelligence firm' means a person or entity that has 1 or
more employees who are political intelligence consultants to
a client other than that person or entity.
``(20) Political intelligence consultant.--The term
`political intelligence consultant' means any individual who
is employed or retained by a client for financial or other
compensation for services that include one or more political
intelligence contacts.''.
(b) Registration Requirement.--Section 4 of the Lobbying
Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C. 1603) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)--
(A) in paragraph (1)--
(i) by inserting after ``whichever is earlier,'' the
following: ``or a political intelligence consultant first
makes a political intelligence contact,''; and
(ii) by inserting after ``such lobbyist'' each place that
term appears the following: ``or consultant'';
(B) in paragraph (2), by inserting after ``lobbyists'' each
place that term appears the following: ``or political
intelligence consultants''; and
(C) in paragraph (3)(A)--
(i) by inserting after ``lobbying activities'' each place
that term appears the following: ``and political intelligence
activities''; and
(ii) in clause (i), by inserting after ``lobbying firm''
the following: ``or political intelligence firm'';
(2) in subsection (b)--
(A) in paragraph (3), by inserting after ``lobbying
activities'' each place that term appears the following: ``or
political intelligence activities'';
(B) in paragraph (4)--
(i) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A), by inserting
after ``lobbying activities'' the following: ``or political
intelligence activities''; and
(ii) in subparagraph (C), by inserting after ``lobbying
activity'' the following: ``or political intelligence
activity'';
(C) in paragraph (5), by inserting after ``lobbying
activities'' each place that term appears the following: ``or
political intelligence activities'';
(D) in paragraph (6), by inserting after ``lobbyist'' each
place that term appears the following: ``or political
intelligence consultant''; and
(E) in the matter following paragraph (6), by inserting
``or political intelligence activities'' after ``such
lobbying activities'';
(3) in subsection (c)--
(A) in paragraph (1), by inserting after ``lobbying
contacts'' the following: ``or political intelligence
contacts''; and
(B) in paragraph (2)--
(i) by inserting after ``lobbying contact'' the following:
``or political intelligence contact''; and
(ii) by inserting after ``lobbying contacts'' the
following: ``and political intelligence contacts''; and
(4) in subsection (d), by inserting after ``lobbying
activities'' each place that term appears the following: ``or
political intelligence activities''.
(c) Reports by Registered Political Intelligence
Consultants.--Section 5 of the Lobbying Disclosure Act of
1995 (2 U.S.C. 1604) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a), by inserting after ``lobbying
activities'' the following: ``and political intelligence
activities'';
(2) in subsection (b)--
(A) in paragraph (2)--
(i) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A), by inserting
after ``lobbying activities'' the following: ``or political
intelligence activities'';
(ii) in subparagraph (A)--
(I) by inserting after ``lobbyist'' the following: ``or
political intelligence consultant''; and
(II) by inserting after ``lobbying activities'' the
following: ``or political intelligence activities'';
(iii) in subparagraph (B), by inserting after ``lobbyists''
the following: ``and political intelligence consultants'';
and
(iv) in subparagraph (C), by inserting after ``lobbyists''
the following: ``or political intelligence consultants'';
(B) in paragraph (3)--
(i) by inserting after ``lobbying firm'' the following:
``or political intelligence firm''; and
(ii) by inserting after ``lobbying activities'' each place
that term appears the following: ``or political intelligence
activities''; and
(C) in paragraph (4), by inserting after ``lobbying
activities'' each place that term appears the following: ``or
political intelligence activities''; and
(3) in subsection (d)(1), in the matter preceding
subparagraph (A), by inserting ``or a political intelligence
consultant'' after ``a lobbyist''.
(d) Disclosure and Enforcement.--Section 6(a) of the
Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C. 1605) is amended--
(1) in paragraph (3)(A), by inserting after ``lobbying
firms'' the following: ``, political intelligence
consultants, political intelligence firms,'';
(2) in paragraph (7), by striking ``or lobbying firm'' and
inserting ``lobbying firm, political intelligence consultant,
or political intelligence firm''; and
(3) in paragraph (8), by striking ``or lobbying firm'' and
inserting ``lobbying firm, political intelligence consultant,
or political intelligence firm''.
(e) Rules of Construction.--Section 8(b) of the Lobbying
Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C. 1607(b)) is amended by
striking ``or lobbying contacts'' and inserting ``lobbying
contacts, political intelligence activities, or political
intelligence contacts''.
(f) Identification of Clients and Covered Officials.--
Section 14 of the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C.
1609) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)--
(A) in the heading, by inserting ``or Political
Intelligence'' after ``Lobbying'';
(B) by inserting ``or political intelligence contact''
after ``lobbying contact'' each place that term appears; and
(C) in paragraph (2), by inserting ``or political
intelligence activity, as the case may be'' after ``lobbying
activity'';
(2) in subsection (b)--
(A) in the heading, by inserting ``or Political
Intelligence'' after ``Lobbying'';
(B) by inserting ``or political intelligence contact''
after ``lobbying contact'' each place that term appears; and
(C) in paragraph (2), by inserting ``or political
intelligence activity, as the case may be'' after ``lobbying
activity''; and
(3) in subsection (c), by inserting ``or political
intelligence contact'' after ``lobbying contact''.
(g) Annual Audits and Reports by Comptroller General.--
Section 26 of the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C.
1614) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)--
(A) by inserting ``political intelligence firms, political
intelligence consultants,'' after ``lobbying firms''; and
(B) by striking ``lobbying registrations'' and inserting
``registrations'';
(2) in subsection (b)(1 )(A), by inserting ``political
intelligence firms, political intelligence consultants,''
after ``lobbying firms''; and
(3) in subsection (c), by inserting ``or political
intelligence consultant'' after ``a lobbyist''.
SEC. 2. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Act and the amendments made by this Act shall take
effect at the end of the 90-day period beginning on the date
of the enactment of this Act.
(The information contained herein was provided by the
Republican Minority on multiple occasions throughout the
110th and 111th Congresses.)
THE VOTE ON THE PREVIOUS QUESTION: WHAT IT REALLY MEANS
This vote, the vote on whether to order the previous
question on a special rule, is not merely a procedural vote.
A vote against ordering the previous question is a vote
against the Republican majority agenda and a vote to allow
the opposition, at least for the moment, to offer an
alternative plan. It is a vote about what the House should be
debating.
Mr. Clarence Cannon's Precedents of the House of
Representatives (VI, 308-311), describes the vote on the
previous question on the rule as ``a motion to direct or
control the consideration of the subject before the House
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being made by the Member in charge.'' To defeat the previous
question is to give the opposition a chance to decide the
subject before the House. Cannon cites the Speaker's ruling
of January 13, 1920, to the effect that ``the refusal of the
House to sustain the demand for the previous question passes
the control of the resolution to the opposition'' in order to
offer an amendment. On March 15, 1909, a member of the
majority party offered a rule resolution. The House defeated
the previous question and a member of the opposition rose to
a parliamentary inquiry, asking who was entitled to
recognition. Speaker Joseph G. Cannon (R-Illinois) said:
``The previous question having been refused, the gentleman
from New York, Mr. Fitzgerald, who had asked the gentleman to
yield to him for an amendment, is entitled to the first
recognition.''
Because the vote today may look bad for the Republican
majority they will say ``the vote on the previous question is
simply a vote on whether to proceed to an immediate vote on
adopting the resolution . . . [and] has no substantive
legislative or policy implications whatsoever.'' But that is
not what they have always said. Listen to the Republican
Leadership Manual on the Legislative Process in the United
States House of Representatives, (6th edition, page 135).
Here's how the Republicans describe the previous question
vote in their own manual: ``Although it is generally not
possible to amend the rule because the majority Member
controlling the time will not yield for the purpose of
offering an amendment, the same result may be achieved by
voting down the previous question on the rule . . . When the
motion for the previous question is defeated, control of the
time passes to the Member who led the opposition to ordering
the previous question. That Member, because he then controls
the time, may offer an amendment to the rule, or yield for
the purpose of amendment.''
In Deschler's Procedure in the U.S. House of
Representatives, the subchapter titled ``Amending Special
Rules'' states: ``a refusal to order the previous question on
such a rule [a special rule reported from the Committee on
Rules] opens the resolution to amendment and further
debate.'' (Chapter 21, section 21.2) Section 21.3 continues:
``Upon rejection of the motion for the previous question on a
resolution reported from the Committee on Rules, control
shifts to the Member leading the opposition to the previous
question, who may offer a proper amendment or motion and who
controls the time for debate thereon.''
Clearly, the vote on the previous question on a rule does
have substantive policy implications. It is one of the only
available tools for those who oppose the Republican
majority's agenda and allows those with alternative views the
opportunity to offer an alternative plan.
Mr. WOODALL. Madam Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and
I move the previous question on the resolution.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on ordering the previous
question.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the noes appeared to have it.
Mr. WOODALL. Madam Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 9 of rule XX, the Chair
will reduce to 5 minutes the minimum time for any electronic vote on
the question of adoption.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 240,
nays 184, not voting 9, as follows:
[Roll No. 43]
YEAS--240
Adams
Aderholt
Amash
Amodei
Austria
Bachmann
Bachus
Barletta
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Bass (NH)
Benishek
Berg
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boren
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brooks
Broun (GA)
Buchanan
Bucshon
Buerkle
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Canseco
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Chabot
Chaffetz
Coble
Coffman (CO)
Cole
Conaway
Cravaack
Crawford
Crenshaw
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Denham
Dent
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Dold
Dreier
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Ellmers
Emerson
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Flake
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Gardner
Garrett
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gibson
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Granger
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grimm
Guinta
Guthrie
Hall
Hanna
Harper
Harris
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Heck
Hensarling
Herger
Herrera Beutler
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurt
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (IL)
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Jordan
Kelly
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kinzinger (IL)
Kline
Labrador
Lamborn
Lance
Landry
Lankford
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Lewis (CA)
LoBiondo
Long
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marino
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McCotter
McHenry
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
Meehan
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Mulvaney
Murphy (PA)
Myrick
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Nunnelee
Olson
Palazzo
Paulsen
Pence
Peterson
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Quayle
Reed
Rehberg
Reichert
Renacci
Ribble
Rigell
Rivera
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross (AR)
Ross (FL)
Royce
Runyan
Ryan (WI)
Scalise
Schilling
Schmidt
Schock
Schweikert
Scott (SC)
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shimkus
Shuler
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Southerland
Stearns
Stivers
Stutzman
Sullivan
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Turner (NY)
Turner (OH)
Upton
Walberg
Walden
Walsh (IL)
Webster
West
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Woodall
Yoder
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Young (IN)
NAYS--184
Ackerman
Altmire
Andrews
Baca
Baldwin
Barrow
Bass (CA)
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bonamici
Boswell
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown (FL)
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Chandler
Chu
Cicilline
Clarke (MI)
Clarke (NY)
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Critz
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLauro
Deutch
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly (IN)
Doyle
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Farr
Filner
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Garamendi
Gonzalez
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hahn
Hanabusa
Hartzler
Hastings (FL)
Heinrich
Higgins
Himes
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hochul
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kaptur
Keating
Kildee
Kissell
Kucinich
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lujan
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McNerney
Meeks
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore
Moran
Murphy (CT)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Peters
Pingree (ME)
Polis
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Richardson
Richmond
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell
Sherman
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Speier
Stark
Sutton
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Tonko
Towns
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Woolsey
Yarmuth
NOT VOTING--9
Akin
Alexander
Blumenauer
Cassidy
Fattah
Paul
Payne
Pearce
Roby
{time} 1402
Messrs. HOYER, LANGEVIN, BOSWELL, Ms. WATERS, and Mr. KUCINICH
changed their vote from ``yea'' to ``nay.''
Mr. GRIMM changed his vote from ``nay'' to ``yea.''
So the previous question was ordered.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the resolution.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Ms. SLAUGHTER. Madam Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. This is a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 238,
nays 175, not voting 20, as follows:
[Roll No. 44]
YEAS--238
Adams
Aderholt
Alexander
Amash
Amodei
Austria
Bachmann
Bachus
Barletta
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Bass (NH)
Benishek
Berg
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
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Black
Blackburn
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boren
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brooks
Broun (GA)
Buchanan
Bucshon
Buerkle
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Canseco
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Chabot
Chaffetz
Coble
Coffman (CO)
Conaway
Cravaack
Crawford
Crenshaw
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Denham
Dent
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Dold
Donnelly (IN)
Dreier
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Ellmers
Emerson
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Flake
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Gardner
Garrett
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gibson
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Granger
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grimm
Guinta
Guthrie
Hall
Hanna
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Heck
Hensarling
Herger
Hochul
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurt
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (IL)
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Jordan
Kelly
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kinzinger (IL)
Kissell
Kline
Labrador
Lamborn
Lance
Landry
Lankford
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Lewis (CA)
LoBiondo
Long
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marino
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McCotter
McHenry
McIntyre
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
Miller (FL)
Miller, Gary
Mulvaney
Murphy (PA)
Myrick
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunnelee
Olson
Palazzo
Paulsen
Pearce
Pence
Perlmutter
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Quayle
Quigley
Reed
Rehberg
Reichert
Renacci
Ribble
Rigell
Rivera
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross (AR)
Ross (FL)
Royce
Runyan
Ryan (WI)
Scalise
Schilling
Schmidt
Schock
Schweikert
Scott (SC)
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Southerland
Stearns
Stivers
Sullivan
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Turner (NY)
Turner (OH)
Upton
Walberg
Walden
Walsh (IL)
Webster
West
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Woodall
Yoder
Young (FL)
Young (IN)
NAYS--175
Ackerman
Altmire
Andrews
Baca
Baldwin
Barrow
Bass (CA)
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bonamici
Boswell
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown (FL)
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Chandler
Cicilline
Clarke (MI)
Clarke (NY)
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Critz
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLauro
Deutch
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Garamendi
Gonzalez
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hahn
Hanabusa
Hastings (FL)
Heinrich
Higgins
Himes
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kaptur
Keating
Kildee
Kucinich
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lujan
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McNerney
Meeks
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Moore
Moran
Murphy (CT)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Pelosi
Peters
Peterson
Pingree (ME)
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Richardson
Richmond
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sherman
Shuler
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Speier
Stark
Sutton
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Tonko
Towns
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Woolsey
Yarmuth
Young (AK)
NOT VOTING--20
Akin
Blumenauer
Butterfield
Cassidy
Chu
Cole
Franks (AZ)
Herrera Beutler
Meehan
Mica
Miller (MI)
Miller, George
Nunes
Paul
Payne
Polis
Roby
Ruppersberger
Sewell
Stutzman
{time} 1408
So the resolution was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
Stated for:
Mr. COLE. Madam Speaker, on rollcall 44, the question of agreeing to
the resolution (H. Res. 540) which provides for the consideration of
H.R. 3521, the Expedited Legislative Line-Item Veto and Rescissions
Act, had I been present I would have voted ``yes.''
Mrs. MILLER of Michigan. Madam Speaker, on rollcall No. 44, I was
unavoidably detained. Had I been present, I would have voted ``yea.''
Stated against:
Ms. SEWELL. Madam Speaker, on rollcall No. 44, had I been present, I
would have voted ``no.''
Ms. CHU. Madam Speaker, on rollcall No. 44, had I been present, I
would have voted ``no.''
Stated for:
Mrs. ROBY. Madam Speaker, on rollcall No. 43, 44, I was unavoidably
detained. Had I been present, I would have voted ``yes,'' on both.
General Leave
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Madam Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that
all Members may have 5 legislative days in which to revise and extend
their remarks on H.R. 3521, the Expedited Legislative Line-Item Veto
and Rescissions Act.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Wisconsin?
There was no objection.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to House Resolution 540 and rule
XVIII, the Chair declares the House in the Committee of the Whole House
on the state of the Union for the consideration of the bill, H.R. 3521.
{time} 1409
In the Committee of the Whole
Accordingly, the House resolved itself into the Committee of the
Whole House on the state of the Union for the consideration of the bill
(H.R. 3521) to amend the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control
Act of 1974 to provide for a legislative line-item veto to expedite
consideration of rescissions, and for other purposes, with Mr. Denham
in the chair.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
The CHAIR. Pursuant to the rule, the bill is considered read the
first time.
General debate shall not exceed 1 hour equally divided and controlled
by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on the
Budget, and the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Simpson).
The gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan), the gentleman from Maryland
(Mr. Van Hollen), and the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Simpson) each will
control 20 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Wisconsin.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 2 minutes.
I want to begin by thanking my friend, Chris Van Hollen, the ranking
member of the Budget Committee. This is a collaborative effort. This is
a bipartisan effort. It's not that often that we have a chance to do
this. Mr. Chairman, I want to first thank the gentleman from Maryland
for this collaborative effort. We believe whenever we can find the
opportunity to reach across the aisle and work in a bipartisan fashion
to go after wasteful spending we should do that, and that's what this
effort is all about.
I also want to thank the staffers who put a lot of work in this: Paul
Restuccia, Nicole Foltz, and Jon Romito on the majority side. I want to
thank Tom Kahn, Gail Millar, and Ellen Balis, for their hard work on
the minority side; Chairman Dreier at the Rules Committee; Congressman
Hensarling, who has been one of the forefathers of this effort.
What this does is it is the expedited line-item veto and enhanced
rescissions. This bill is constitutional, and I want to explain to
Members why.
The 1996 line-item veto was ruled unconstitutional because it
delegated legislative power to the executive branch. This does not do
that. This is quite the opposite. This simply says, after an
appropriations bill has been passed, within a short period of time, the
President can send up a new rescissions proposal to the House and the
Senate to consider rescinding spending from that bill, and we have to
simply have the vote. We can't hide from the vote. We can't duck from
the vote. We have to have the vote.
Here's why we're doing this, Mr. Chairman. Lots of bills from both
parties over the years have had so many
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miscellaneous provisions stuffed into them without seeing the light of
day, whether they even pass the House or Senate or not. The President
has to sign the whole bill or nothing at all. This gives us the ability
to pull those miscellaneous provisions out, send them back to Congress
and have them vote on them on their individual merits.
We believe what this will do will make every Member of Congress think
twice before trying to insert, sometimes we call them airdrops or
earmarks or pork or whatever you want to call it. We ought to have
Members of Congress think twice that they might have to justify this
provision on the spending bill on the merits by a stand-alone vote by
their own peers. We think that act of sunshine, that act of
transparency, that act of accountability will help improve the
integrity of the spending process here in Congress.
The CHAIR. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. I yield myself 30 additional seconds to simply
say this bill is bipartisan, it's constitutional, and it is yet one
more tool in several that we are bringing to the floor to restore
trust, accountability, and transparency to the way we spend hardworking
taxpayer dollars.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Let me begin by thanking the chairman of the committee, Paul Ryan,
and our staffs for working together in a cooperative and bipartisan
manner on what I think is a very important piece of legislation to
bring before the House.
While we have deep disagreements in this House over many policy
issues, I know that we all agree that we should be responsible and
careful stewards of taxpayer dollars. That's what this bill before us
is all about. It creates new mechanisms for greater transparency and
greater accountability in spending taxpayer dollars. I believe that it
will, over time, result in a better use of those taxpayer dollars, and
savings identified through this process will go to deficit reduction.
For those of us who believe that government can play a positive role
in people's lives by creating opportunities, like investing in
education for our kids, like strengthening our economy through
investments in infrastructure--our roads, our bridges, broadband--by
making key investments in scientific research, for those of us who
believe that, it is especially important that taxpayers have confidence
that their tax dollars are being used wisely. To the extent they don't
believe that, it makes it more difficult to invest in the common good.
So we should take every opportunity in this body to make sure those
taxpayer dollars are being well spent.
Let's be clear about what this bill does and what it does not do.
As the chairman indicated, it does not give the President unilateral
line-item authority. The Supreme Court ruled in 1996 that the line-item
veto law that was passed by an earlier Congress was unconstitutional
because it handed over that unilateral authority to the President of
the United States. I think that was the right Court decision. I also
think it was the right policy decision.
This approach is entirely different. It's different because it
expressly requires congressional action before any savings, sometimes
called rescissions, proposed by the President can take place. It simply
requires Congress to consider and vote on the President's proposed
savings. Congress, by a majority vote in each House, can support the
President's recommended savings or reject those savings. In the end,
Congress has the final say.
Now, I think everybody here knows we can do a better job in this
Congress of scrutinizing spending bills. This bill provides a strong
incentive to do that. Let's consider how the process worked just last
December with the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2012.
That bill was over 1,200 pages long and included over a trillion
dollars in spending. In fact, Mr. Chairman, I've got that bill right
here. It was submitted to this House at 10:47 p.m. on December 15,
2011, and was voted on less than 15 hours later. No one can say they
had an adequate opportunity to scrutinize that spending bill.
Let me mention a couple facts about that bill. It included in it nine
separate appropriation bills rolled into one. Of those nine bills, four
had not been reviewed or voted on by the full House. The House had
never had a chance to look at them or vote on them. Two of them hadn't
even had a vote in the Appropriations Committee. One of those two, the
Labor-H bill, $160 billion in taxpayer money, not voted on even in
Appropriations Committee. The Foreign Ops bill, not voted in
Appropriations Committee. Only one of those nine was voted on in the
United States Senate before that last-minute decision.
I want to make this clear. This is not a criticism of the
Appropriations Committee. This is a criticism of the process that we've
had in this Congress whether you have Democratic Houses in control or
Republicans in control. What this bill does is try and provide a small
fix to that process so that we have a little more scrutiny.
Under current law, the President can already propose savings, but
under current law, the Appropriations Committee can totally ignore it.
All this does is say let's take up those recommended savings in the
light of day. Let's have an up-or-down vote in the United States
Congress and, you know what, if we agree the President's identified
additional savings, that will help reduce the deficit.
This is a good bill. It's a bipartisan bill, and I urge my colleagues
to support it.
I reserve the balance of my time.
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Mr. SIMPSON. Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from
Kentucky (Mr. Rogers), the chairman of the full Appropriations
Committee, an individual who is trying to do more to reform the
appropriations process by bringing individual bills to the floor.
Mr. ROGERS of Kentucky. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to this bill.
In article I, section 9, clause 7, the U.S. Constitution bestows upon
Congress what we now call the ``power of the purse''--that the
representatives of the people should distribute taxpayer dollars as
warranted and needed. The line-item veto would weaken that power,
shifting budgetary authority to the executive branch and giving the
President a power that our Founding Fathers did not see fit to give to
him. In fact, a previous effort to provide the President a line-item
veto, as has been noted, was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme
Court in 1998.
Two weeks ago, during his State of the Union address, we heard how
the President would choose to spend our precious taxpayer dollars. The
line-item veto would strengthen the President's ability to give
preference to his spending priorities over those of the Congress and
the constituents that you represent.
Our Founding Fathers had seen firsthand what an absolute authority
could do when wielding too much influence, particularly over spending
and taxation, and they drafted our Constitution accordingly, providing
for checks and balances to prevent too much power from falling into the
hands of one branch of government, the executive. The Framers would
surely shake their heads at the idea of transferring this much
authority to the executive branch.
So powerful was this defense of Congress' role that James Madison in
Federalist Paper No. 58 stated:
The power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the
most complete and effectual weapon with which any
constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the
people for obtaining a redress of every grievance and for
carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.
Not only does the line-item veto fly in the face of our Constitution
and the Framers' protections, but budget experts also doubt its
effectiveness as a spending reduction tool. Look back to Congress'
experience with the line-item veto under President Clinton. He wielded
this authority to little effect in saving taxpayer dollars. In fact,
Congress declared that he ``misused'' that authority, and overturned
nearly half of his cancellations. So, to summarize the line-item veto:
It is a power likely to be abused and not likely to save money.
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In an effort to better this flawed bill, to at least improve its
chances at having a tangible effect on government spending, we offered
an amendment in the Rules Committee that would have made the bill also
apply to tax benefits and runaway entitlement spending. However, that
amendment was ruled out of order. The amendment wouldn't have made this
bill perfect nor would it have solved the constitutional problem, but
it would have at least increased the potential for achieving actual
budget savings.
Nearly 25 years ago, former CBO Director Rudolph G. Penner famously
said in reference to our budget: ``The problem isn't the process. The
problem is the problem.''
Mr. Chairman, today's problem isn't with whether or not the President
can veto budget line items nor is it even with annual discretionary
spending. On that front, we've saved more than $95 billion over the
last 2 years, thanks to the support of this House.
The CHAIR. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. SIMPSON. I yield the gentleman an additional 1 minute.
Mr. ROGERS of Kentucky. The real problem today lies with exploding
and unsustainable mandatory and entitlement spending, which the Budget
Committee should be addressing forthwith. Mandatory spending comprises
two-thirds of the Federal budget. We only deal with a third on
discretionary--most of that military--and it continues to blow up the
Nation's deficit and debt at these rapid rates, putting our economy and
the stability of our Nation at risk.
I urge my colleagues to look beyond the opportunity for the easy
press release in order to see that the line-item veto does more harm
than good. We can't dismiss the fundamental tenets of the Constitution,
and we can't pretend that it will have any positive effect on the
Nation's financial predicament. We must put an end to these budgetary
smoke screens to find more appropriate and effective ways to address
our budget crisis and focus our efforts on mandatory entitlement
spending, which is where the real problem is.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, I would simply say that 44 State
governments have the line-item veto in their constitution, but we're
not proposing that here. We're proposing to keep the power of the purse
with the legislative branch and not grant that to the executive branch.
This bill does that.
With that, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Arizona, a
member of the Appropriations Committee, Mr. Flake.
Mr. FLAKE. I thank the gentleman for yielding, and I rise in strong
support of this legislation. I appreciate that it's a bipartisan piece
of legislation.
I lose no sleep at night over whether the President of my party or
the other party can take action to send back some spending that we have
done here and force Congress to reaffirm it. Had we had that over time,
I think we would have saved considerable money. We've had the process
here that the chairman of the Budget Committee has mentioned, the
process of earmarking over the years. Tens of thousands of earmarks
have been proposed by Members of this body unchecked. Oftentimes we
would approve one bill with 6,300 earmarks in it. It would be wonderful
to have somebody able to send one of those items back and at least
force us to spend additional time on that item and to say, do we really
want to spend that money or not? It provides some check on this
process. We need more checks, not fewer.
Like I said, I think that this is constitutional. It doesn't cede our
power of the purse. It simply reconfirms our commitment to control
spending, something that we have not had much control of lately as
evidenced by the massive deficits that we've run.
So I rise in support of that legislation.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman
from Florida, a member of the Budget Committee, Ms. Castor.
Ms. CASTOR of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I rise today in support of the
bipartisan Expedited Legislative Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act. As
a member of the Budget Committee and a cosponsor, I would like to thank
Chairman Ryan and Ranking Member Van Hollen for their work and
cooperation.
I support a line-item veto because congressional appropriations and
spending oversight is broken. They're broken. Almost every year
appropriation bills are rolled into one massive package at the end of
the year with little opportunity to review, debate, or amend the
provisions. That means Members have little ability to eliminate a
wasteful expenditure or program.
This past year was a perfect example. Despite the expressed desire of
Speaker Boehner that we would have open debate and open amendments on
every appropriations bill, that did not happen. Instead, the bills were
rolled into one huge package in the eleventh hour, released with, as I
think Ranking Member Van Hollen said, 15 hours to review, and then
Members were asked to provide an up-or-down vote. We had little ability
or no ability to amend the bill. That is not how it is supposed to
work.
The Congress must endeavor to effectively exercise its
responsibilities and scrutinize every appropriation and be able to
debate and amend expenditures. The logrolling of appropriations bills
that has become common practice undermines confidence in Government and
permits wasteful spending to squeak through.
Under this bipartisan line-item veto bill, we will establish a new
layer of accountability in the budget process. The President, whether
it is a Republican or a Democrat, will have a new critical look at a
spending provision, a potential veto or veto of that provision, but
then it will come back to the Congress, and then we can debate it and
vote on it in the light of day up or down.
Mr. Chairman, so far this congressional session has been described as
a particularly difficult one, and it was highlighted by difficult
debates of last year, and then we ended the year with a big
appropriations package we were asked to vote on at the last minute with
no review practically and no ability to amend it. So I have to say that
it is refreshing that we can bring a bipartisan bill to the floor of
the House that we agree on. Reform with a line-item veto bill today,
hopefully the STOCK Act tomorrow.
I urge my colleagues to support the bipartisan line-item veto bill
and demonstrate to the American public that the Congress can work
again.
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Mr. SIMPSON. I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr.
Lewis), the former chairman of the Appropriations Committee.
Mr. LEWIS of California. I very much appreciate my chairman yielding.
Mr. Chairman, while I am very hesitant to oppose my friend from the
Budget Committee, he has been wrong in this subject area before. The
line-item veto that the Supreme Court essentially set aside was an
illustration that we are on dangerous ground when we presume, as the
legislative branch, the people's House, that we are going to do
something worthwhile but, in the process, exceed our authority and
constitutional responsibility to the administration, any
administration, whether it be Democrat or Republican.
In the last go-around preceding the Court setting it aside, the
administration had vetoed a number of items but, indeed, about 80
percent of them were sponsored on one side of the aisle versus the
other, essentially partisanizing that piece of the appropriations
process. One way or another, this body has got to get away from those
partisan extremes. In this case, you are going to have a bureaucrat at
a third level within the administration deciding, ah-ha, there's an
item there that we don't agree with in our bureaucracy, so let's send
it back for very special attention, taking up the time of the Congress
and essentially undermining the work of the Congress.
Our responsibility within our subcommittees on the Appropriations
Committee and in the full House is to legislate. Theirs is to review
that which we direct them to do, not to either set aside or to veto
that work. So for that reason, I strongly oppose the proposal by the
Budget Committee chairman.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. I would simply say that the same majority that
produces the appropriations bill can reject any rescission requests by
the President in the same majority.
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With that, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr.
Ribble), a member of the Budget Committee.
Mr. RIBBLE. Mr. Chairman, I thank Chairman Ryan and Ranking Member
Van Hollen for bringing this very important piece of legislation.
Spending has run rampant in Washington, and it's because ``no'' is
not a word that Congress is used to when it comes to spending. For too
long, Members have been able to take advantage of the system and spend
taxpayer money on projects that have proved to be unnecessary and
frivolous. There are far too many examples of spending absurdity to
share today; but the fact is that needless projects are squandering
away millions of dollars at a time when our country is facing a record-
breaking $15 trillion debt.
It's time to start changing the way Congress budgets and spends
taxpayer money, and the line-item veto is a positive step. I would
contend to you it's not that we have too much oversight. It may be that
we have too little oversight. By allowing the President to target
unjustified spending and send it back to Congress for a vote, we'll
increase accountability and make Members think twice before they commit
hardworking taxpayer dollars on some special interest project.
I am proud to be a cosponsor of this bipartisan legislation and the
sponsor of my own biennial budgeting bill which will help fix
Washington's broken budget process. The time for change is now because
if we don't strive to fundamentally fix this problem--not just some
pretend fix--then it will be our children and grandchildren who will
pay the price. Mr. Chairman, I urge my friends and colleagues to
support this legislation.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from
Vermont (Mr. Welch), who has spent a lot of time focusing on budget
issues.
Mr. WELCH. I thank the gentleman from Maryland.
There are two constitutional principles; there is one practical
problem; and there is one democratic ideal. The most important
constitutional principle is the power of the purse that must be
retained by Congress. No one could give a better affirmation of why
that's important than the chairman of the Appropriations Committee,
except for the author of the Federalist Papers who the gentleman
quoted.
Does this violate Congress' power of the purse? It reserves to the
Congress the right to overturn by majority vote a recommendation by the
executive that focuses on a single item of spending. Now, that may make
life somewhat more difficult for those of us in Congress. It may make
it particularly more difficult for the appropriators who have to deal
with the incredible complexities of the large and multifaceted Federal
budget; but in my view, it does not in any way violate the
constitutional right that this House has over the power of the purse.
The second constitutional provision is the right of the executive to
exercise a veto. And that is part of the checks and balances where the
executive, a Republican or Democratic President, is given the power to
say ``no.'' And then it imposes on us a burden of coming up with two-
thirds votes in order to overcome it. A veto is not a practical tool.
If the effect of that veto is a budget that keeps government going,
that pays for our troops, that pays doctors who are providing Medicare
services, that everything goes down with the ship, we're forcing the
President to make what, in fact, is a radical decision to tear the
whole thing down or to let some things go.
The practical problem we have is the budget. And again, Mr. Rogers is
right: process reform is not going to get us from where we are to where
we need to be. The problem is the problem. But this is one budget
reform that can't help because what it does ultimately lead to is the
application of that great democratic principle of transparency. What
this means is that if you or I voted for a budget and the President
highlighted a few items where the President said, Hey, what's going on,
we would have to stand up here--you and I--and vote ``yes'' or ``no,''
and then be able to defend that vote to the people who elected us.
One of the challenges that I think we all know we have is that the
confidence that people have in this institution is very low. So
anything we can do--and transparency is the way to do something quite
effective--we should do.
So this simply means that at the end of the day, these budget bills
that are complicated, that are big, that few Members really have an
opportunity to review, when the President reviews them and identifies a
few things that he wants to send back, we have to say ``yes'' or ``no''
in the full light of day.
Mr. SIMPSON. I yield 2 minutes to the gentlelady from Minnesota (Ms.
McCollum), a member of the Appropriations Committee and the Budget
Committee.
Ms. McCOLLUM. I thank the chairman.
I respect the bipartisan efforts of my colleagues on the Budget
Committee, but I oppose passage of H.R. 3521. This bill grants the
executive branch more power, and it will do little to reduce our
deficit. Make no mistake, this bill sacrifices congressional authority.
If H.R. 3521 were a serious effort to reduce our deficit, it would
address the hundreds of billions of dollars we currently spend through
our Tax Code.
In fiscal year 2010, tax expenditures constituted a bigger part of
our budget than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and national
defense. Tax expenditures were twice as large as all nondiscretionary
spending combined. With the Federal budget on an unsustainable path,
our country's fiscal problems need to be addressed in a way that is
both effective and equitable. Scaling back and reforming tax
expenditures must be an important part of the effort.
The bipartisan Simpson-Bowles report explained that the spending in
the Tax Code costs over $1 trillion every year. They call these tax
earmarks. Why? Because they are special tax breaks granted to special
taxpayers.
Tax expenditures are not periodically reviewed; and unlike the
budgets of individual Federal Government Departments and agencies,
which are set by Congress and annually reviewed through the
appropriations process, special interest earmarks in law today
contribute directly to deficit spending. A report by the Joint
Committee on Taxation says tax expenditures ``may be considered to be
analogous to direct outlay programs, and the two can be considered as
alternative means of accomplishing similar budget policy objectives.''
Very few Members know what's hidden in our Tax Code because it's not
subject to annual scrutiny like the budget. Special interest spending
in our Tax Code does not deserve more protection in the budget process
than public interest appropriations that support our local communities,
our police and fire departments, and our schools.
The CHAIR. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Ms. McCOLLUM. With that, I would urge colleagues to vote this bill
down.
February 8th, 2012, Remarks by Betty McCollum--Tax Expenditures and
Budget Rescission Authority
I respect the bipartisan efforts of my colleagues on the Budget
Committee; I oppose passage of this H.R. 3521. This bill grants the
Executive Branch more power and will do little to reduce our deficit.
Make no mistake; this bill sacrifices Congressional authority,
because we have failed to do our jobs by taking a balanced approach to
deficit reduction.
If H.R. 3521 was a serious effort to reduce our deficit, it would
address the hundreds of billions of dollars we currently spend through
our tax code.
In fiscal year 2010, tax expenditures constituted a bigger part of
our budget than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or national
defense. Tax expenditures were twice as large as all non-security
discretionary spending combined.
With the federal budget on an unsustainable path, our country's
fiscal problems need to be addressed in a way that is both effective
and equitable. Scaling back and reforming ``tax expenditures'' must be
an important part of that effort.
The bipartisan Simpson-Bowles report explained that spending in the
tax code cost over $1 trillion every year. They called these ``tax
earmarks.'' Why? Because they are special tax breaks granted to special
taxpayers.
Tax expenditures are not periodically reviewed, unlike the budgets of
individual federal government departments and agencies, which are set
by Congress annually through the appropriations process.
A report by the Joint Committee on Taxation says: ``Tax expenditures
. . . may be considered to be analogous to direct outlay programs, and
the two can be considered as alternative means of accomplishing similar
budget policy objectives.''
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Very few Members know what is hidden in our tax code, because it is
not subject to annual scrutiny like the budget.
The hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on these ``tax
earmarks'' must be addressed if we are serious about putting our
country on a sustainable fiscal path.
And without the opportunity to include tax expenditures, which are a
larger part of our budget than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or
national defense, we will not get our fiscal house in order. Therefore,
I will vote no on H.R. 3521.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 30 seconds to
simply say that what we are trying to do here is add another layer of
transparency and accountability. When an appropriation bill comes to
the floor--at least under this majority--it comes under an open rule,
which means that any Member can open it up to amendment, and we can
have those up-or-down votes on individual items under consideration in
this bill.
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But what happens after that moment, after a bill has passed the
House, after a bill has passed the Senate and then it's conferenced, a
bill comes to the floor, up or down, take it or leave it. Lots of
things go into those bills in those moments between House and Senate
passage and final conference report passage.
The CHAIR. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. I yield myself an additional 10 seconds to say
that this simply gives us that extra layer of accountability so that we
can still consider individual items. And all we have to do if we don't
approve of them is not pass them. We decide.
With that, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr.
Manzullo).
Mr. MANZULLO. Mr. Chairman, I had the honor to be part of the
Republican Congress that produced the first balanced budget in nearly
30 years. Part of that effort included providing the President line-
item veto authority. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court ruled the line-
item veto unconstitutional. After the dot-com and 9/11 recessions, the
deficit reemerged. Again, Republicans were making progress towards
eliminating the annual budget deficit, reducing it down to $161 billion
in 2007. But when the Democrats took over control of Congress, we now
have a monthly deficit of over $90 billion.
Since 2007, I've voted more than 700 times to cut over $2.6 trillion
in spending, over 150 times in 2011 alone. This bill represents another
effort to rein in spending and get our fiscal house in order. It will
withstand constitutional scrutiny, and I urge my colleagues to support
this legislation.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from
Virginia (Mr. Connolly), a former member of the Budget Committee.
Mr. CONNOLLY of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I thank my colleague from
Maryland and I thank my colleague from Wisconsin for their bipartisan
effort today.
I'm pleased to be an original cosponsor of the Expedited Legislative
Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act, and I urge my colleagues to support
it.
I'm listening to the concerns from our friends on both sides of the
aisle, especially those on the Appropriations Committee, and I'm not
unsympathetic to the constitutional concerns raised about what does
this do to the balance of power. I believe our friend from Wisconsin,
the chairman of the Budget Committee, very ably just explained how this
framework takes cognizance of those concerns and guarantees that while
we give the President an opportunity to take another look at the whole
bill and make some excisions, it also gives us another crack, an up-or-
down on whether we agree or we don't. I believe that we as an
institution cannot have it both ways. We can't say that we are obsessed
with the national debt, but when a statutory remedy is at hand to try
to address it, we say ``no'' because of an argument about prerogatives.
The debt is so large and it isn't, I say to my friend from Illinois,
a matter of Democrats or Republicans. No hands are clean when it comes
to the national debt. But we have in front of us one more tool to add
to PAYGO, to add to the sequestration process, and hopefully other
debt-relief measures.
Here is a tool right in front of us, a statutory tool, not a
constitutional amendment, that actually can make an efficacious
difference. I believe we should do that. I believe it will make a
difference, and I believe that it doesn't compromise the balance of
power between the executive and the congressional used the way it's
designed.
So I'm happy to rise in support of this legislation, and I urge my
colleagues to think carefully before they vote about whether we say
``yea'' or ``nay'' to this tool in a kit bag.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to be an original cosponsor of the
Expedited Rescission Act, and I urge my colleagues to join us in
supporting it.
It is no secret that if left unchecked, our federal deficit will
cause lasting damage to our economy and to American families. No one
action, and no one party caused the fiscal challenges we face, but it
will take bipartisan efforts like this bill to put us back on the right
path.
Just as you cannot build a house with just a saw, there is no one
panacea to correct the debt imbalance. The Expedited Rescission Act,
however, is another tool in our toolbox for fixing the Nation's
financial problems, and it builds upon our previous actions.
As my colleagues will recall, we re-instituted the Statutory Pay As
You Go Act in the last Congress. PAYGO is a simple concept that some
here in Washington often forget--if you have a nifty idea, you have to
find a way to pay for it first. The original PAYGO was a bipartisan
bill enacted under a Democratic Congress and a Republican President in
1990. A Republican Congress and a Democratic President then adhered to
it throughout the 1990s, culminating in four straight surpluses
starting in FY1998. Unfortunately, PAYGO was allowed to lapse in 2002
until we revived it in 2010.
More recently, we took another critical step in addressing our
financial challenges when the bipartisan debt ceiling agreement was
enacted into law last August, cutting $2.1 trillion of debt over the
next decade. Although a number of my colleagues recently have suggested
we retrench on that agreement, it represents the largest debt reduction
in our Nation's history. While more must be done, this was a
significant step.
Today, Expedited Rescission presents us with another tool we can use.
It gives the President and then Congress a second chance to review
federal spending proposals and eliminate unneeded expenditures.
Encouraging fiscal discipline and creating one more opportunity to cut
unnecessary spending will help strengthen our Nation's financial
foundation.
The Expedited Rescission Act is a bipartisan effort that will move us
closer to reducing the federal debt and building a stronger and
sustainable fiscal future, and I urge my colleagues to support it.
Mr. SIMPSON. I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr.
Calvert), a member of the Appropriations Committee and, more
importantly, the Budget Committee.
Mr. CALVERT. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the Expedited
Legislative Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act. While I think today's
debate is valid and relevant, I have serious concerns about ceding more
legislative authority to the executive branch.
While I understand what my colleagues on the Budget Committee are
trying to do, I fear we are tilting the constitutional separation of
powers and giving even more authority to the executive branch that it
will soon resemble a monarchy.
Every budget reform exercise we go through, going back to the
Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, seems to
strengthen the executive branch and weaken the legislative branch.
This process has morphed into a yearly exercise in which Congress
receives a 10-pound, five-volume, shrink-wrapped budget that is simply
the executive branch's earmarks. Congress rarely challenges the bulk of
the President's budget and is left fighting over the margins--a very
small percentage of the total budget. When we do question the
President's budget, we get push back from the executive branch agencies
on any changes we want to make. Now we want to let ourselves off the
hook from writing good legislation and forcing the President to either
accept what Congress passes or veto it.
If the point of this legislation is to reduce our overall spending by
giving the President this power, then we are ignoring one of the
biggest drivers of our debt, which is the Tax Code, which was mentioned
earlier. Why leave out the loopholes and giveaways from Ways and Means
which is permanent spending via the Tax Code?
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It was mentioned by the chairman that the appropriations bills are
brought up under an open rule. I wonder why this bill wasn't brought up
under an open rule. Again, the point here is that Congress should be
doing its duty, addressing Tax Code loopholes and writing thoughtful
spending bills, not simply turning over the hard choices to the
President.
We are inserting the President in the legislative process. Congress
giving up its authority under the Constitution, this will not resolve
our budget problem.
I urge my colleagues to preserve the constitutional right of Congress
to appropriate and vote against this bill.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. At this time, Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes
to the gentleman from California (Mr. McClintock), a member of the
Budget Committee.
Mr. McCLINTOCK. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Chairman, this bill presents us with a very simple question: Is
it just conceivably possible that the Congress has, from time to time,
passed a spending bill or two that ought to have had greater scrutiny?
Now, the answer to that question may elude certain Members of this
House, but I can assure them it is self-evident to everybody else. A
country whose finances are as far out of control as ours suffers from
not too many checks and balances on spending but from too few.
Now the opponents discuss this bill as if it were some new and
radical idea. The fact is many States operate with a genuine line-item
veto and have for generations. For those States, it's been a vital tool
to control their spending, and those provisions are far more stringent
than what is proposed here.
In conformance with our Constitution, this bill simply invites the
President to call to Congress' attention those spending items that he
recommends that we give additional thought to and puts a 6-week hold on
those funds while we do so. In fact, from 1801 until 1974, the
President had the recognized authority to impound excess spending
indefinitely, a legitimate executive function first asserted by
President Thomas Jefferson. The Budget Act of 1974 stripped the
Executive of this vital check on congressional excess. I'd prefer to
see us restore that fiscal safeguard; or, better still, amend the
Constitution to provide the President with an actual line-item veto.
But let's at least set up a process so the President can warn us when
he believes that we have appropriated more money than he needs to
execute the laws that we have passed. This bill is, frankly, a mouse
when we need a lion. The fact that it has produced shrieks of horror
from some quarters of the House is an exact measure of the extent and
nature of our problem.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
Georgia (Mr. Barrow).
Mr. BARROW. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of H.R. 3521, the Expedited Line-Item
Veto and Rescissions Act of 2011. This bipartisan legislation will cut
wasteful spending and reduce the deficit by reestablishing the
principal of a line-item veto.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that occasionally an
unnecessary or wasteful expenditure makes its way into a spending bill.
This bill increases accountability over those expenditures by giving
the President the authority to identify specific wasteful spending and
make Congress take an up-or-down vote on its merits.
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This legislation requires that all savings go directly toward deficit
reduction. This legislation is a commonsense solution to cut wasteful
spending and reduce our unsustainable deficit. I urge my colleagues to
support this bill. It's a step toward getting our economy back on track
and getting people back to work.
Mr. SIMPSON. I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr.
Cole), a member of the Appropriations Committee and the Budget
Committee that marked this bill up.
Mr. COLE. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Chairman, a lot of people have asked whether or not this bill is
constitutional. Frankly, I think it is. I don't think there's much
doubt about it. A lot of people have raised the point that it enhances
the power of the Presidency. I don't think there is much question that
it does do that.
A lot of people have argued it's substantive, and there I have to
respectfully disagree. There's nothing substantive about this
legislation at all. We already have gotten rid of earmarks, don't use
them anymore, and the Appropriations Committee has already shown that
on its own it can cut spending. It's done it in 2 budget years in a
single calendar year.
The sad thing here is we had a chance to do something substantive. We
had amendments offered by Ms. McCollum and myself that actually would
have made tax expenditures in order to be reviewed, that actually would
have looked at direct spending. Those amendments, unfortunately, were
ruled out of order.
Pursuing bipartisanship and providing Members with political cover at
the expense of substantive policy, frankly, is unworthy of the
Congress, in my view, and certainly of this majority. Our budget
problems are serious. They deserve serious solutions. The Ryan budget
is a serious solution. The 2006 legislative line-item veto bill, which
included provisions to cover the very items that this bill does not,
was a serious solution. This legislation, sadly, is not serious and
ought to be rejected. We ought to be serious about the budget deficit
we face.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 10 seconds to
simply say I agree with a lot of what the gentleman said. He's a good
friend. We don't have all spending in this bill, but that doesn't mean
don't go after some of the spending that's passed by Congress. This is
the kind of spending Congress passes annually every year. I think it's
a good step in the right direction.
With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the chairman of the
House Republican Conference, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Hensarling),
who is one of the fathers of this idea and of budget process reform.
Mr. HENSARLING. I thank the distinguished chairman of the Budget
Committee for yielding and particularly for his leadership in being the
number one budget hawk in the House.
Mr. Chairman, hopefully by now, all Americans know we have a
spending-driven debt crisis. We are now looking at the fourth--fourth--
trillion-dollar deficit in a row. Our debt-to-GDP ratio now exceeds the
entire size of our economy for the first time since World War II.
Again, we are in the midst of a crisis. We are mortgaging our
children's future, we are bankrupting a great nation, and we are
hindering jobs and economic growth in this country.
I've listened very carefully to friends--close friends--come to the
House floor to argue against this bill, and I agree with much of what
they say. This is one individual tool in a toolbox. They point out the
absence of many more, and they are correct. And it is my hope and my
aspiration that this House would take them up.
I want to also congratulate the gentleman from Maryland, the ranking
member of the House Budget Committee. It's not always easy in these
times to work on a bipartisan basis. We had an opportunity to work on
the Joint Select Committee, to which he was a positive force. We often
disagreed, but he has commanded my respect, and he commands my respect
today for his bipartisan work.
I do want to congratulate the chairman of the Appropriations
Committee and the entirety of his committee. For the first time in my
lifetime, under his leadership, discretionary spending will decline 2
years in a row--an incredible achievement.
I also want to thank our Speaker, Speaker Boehner, for his leadership
on the entire subject of earmarks. Earmarks are not necessarily
inherently bad. But, Mr. Chairman, we all know that too often they
represented the triumph of seniority over merit and the triumph of
local and special interest over national interest.
Under the leadership of our Speaker, with a little help from the
gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Flake), they are no more. But in a
different time, a different era, they may return. This is at least an
insurance policy that the one individual who is elected to represent
the entirety of the Nation, the President of the United States, can at
least
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put a spotlight on that type of spending and just ask the United States
Congress to take that up-or-down vote.
It's about transparency, it's about accountability, and it's about a
modest tool in a time of debt crisis to help with jobs, economic
growth, and the survival of a great nation.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
I thank the gentleman from Texas for his words. I just want to hark
back to what the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. Cole) said, who's in
opposition to the bill, but he did make clear that in his opinion this
bill is constitutional. I really think we should put that question
aside.
As the chairman of the committee has pointed out on several
occasions, Congress gets the last word on this issue. Congress gets an
up-or-down majority vote. We're simply requiring that Congress take a
vote on savings that the President recommends for the taxpayer. We
believe we should do that in the light of day. It's a small step.
It's a little curious to hear one of the solutions offered from some
of the folks opposed to this bill is to give the President even more
authority. On the one hand they say, well, we shouldn't do this because
you're giving the President too much leverage. The amendment they
mention, of course, would give the President even more leverage over
tax expenditures and mandatory spending, so I'm a little puzzled there.
Where I do agree with them is that if we're going to get a hold on
this deficit situation, we've got to deal with mandatory spending as
well, and we've got to deal with the revenue side of the equation--tax
expenditures. And the bipartisan commissions, Simpson-Bowles, Rivlin-
Domenici, all of them presented a more bipartisan framework for doing
that. While I don't agree with every one of their recommendations, I
think the framework they presented was the right one.
I would agree with the chairman of the committee, Mr. Ryan, here:
just because we're not able to tackle the whole thing as part of this
reform effort doesn't mean we shouldn't try and tackle a piece of it.
And I think this is a small piece, but I think it's an important piece.
I think it will have a positive impact on how this body approaches the
appropriations bills.
Again, the way this process is driven now, it's not a criticism of
the Appropriations Committee. They do the best they can under the rules
as they exist now. What this bill does is just say let's have one more
opportunity, an opportunity to take an up-or-down vote on savings that
the President believes we can make toward deficit reduction. And it
seems to me that's a positive step to take.
With that, Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. SIMPSON. I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Washington, the
ranking member of the Appropriations Committee, Mr. Dicks.
Mr. DICKS. I rise in strong opposition to this bill. It is my
judgment that--and I listened to the statement made by the
distinguished chairman of the Appropriations Committee, Mr. Rogers from
Kentucky, that this is unwarranted, especially now that Congress has
decided, at least for the time being, that we're not going to do
earmarks. This would get down to a situation where if, on the Defense
Appropriations Subcommittee, we added money for additional predator ISR
vehicles, the President can as I understand it, take it right back down
to his budget request.
We've had a lot of experience, many Members of the Appropriations
Committee, Mr. Young and I, have been here over 30 years and served on
this committee over 30 years, and a lot of positive things have
happened where Congress makes increases or decreases. Now, if you're
going to give the President the authority to send up a bill undoing our
work, especially after it's been voted on, the Appropriations Committee
has gone through all these things. I just think it's wrong.
In fact, on the earmark issue, I frankly think the solution that the
Democrats had when we were in the majority was appropriate where we
said you can't have earmarks for private companies unless it's
competitively awarded, and then we took that away, but you still can
help your schools.
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You can still help your local governments. You can still help your
universities, your NGOs that are doing work on meth for example--rather
important issues. That would have been a better compromise, I think,
than saying no earmarks under any circumstance.
It is clear to me that over the years there were too many earmarks,
and that became a problem. But to go beyond that now and say that we're
going to have a line-item veto and Congress has to vote on this, I
think, is a serious mistake; and I join my colleagues on the
Appropriations Committee in opposition.
I'll just say one final thing. I also think if you're going to do it,
then you ought to do it for Ways and Means as well--that's where all
the spending is--and not just pick on the Appropriations Committee.
We've done our job. Ways and Means hasn't done their job.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, with that, I yield 2 minutes to
the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Hurt).
Mr. HURT. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
I rise today in support of the Expedited Legislative Line-Item Veto
and Rescissions Act, and I thank Chairman Ryan and Ranking Member Van
Hollen for their work on this important bipartisan legislation.
At a time when we are borrowing 40 cents on every dollar we spend,
there's no more important time for Congress to have an honest
conversation about balancing our Federal budget and cutting wasteful
government spending.
It is clear that real reform is needed in our flawed Federal budget
process. The real reforms that we have considered over the last 2 weeks
seek to improve this flawed process by getting at the root of the
Washington accounting gimmicks that have plagued Congress for years.
These reforms will provide more Federal Government transparency and
accountability and put an end to business as usual when it comes to
out-of-control spending in Washington. That is why I support this line-
item veto legislation. This bill would give the President the ability
to veto wasteful spending provisions as a part of the appropriations
process.
This bill and the remaining budget-reform bills will give the
American people an honest picture of how their hard-earned tax dollars
are being spent and will move us one step closer to addressing the debt
crisis that threatens the very future of this great Nation.
Mr. Chairman, we know that both sides of the aisle have been a part
of the problem when it comes to Washington's reckless spending habit.
What we have failed to recognize is that both sides must be a part of
the solution.
I urge all of my colleagues to support this line-item veto bill and
the rest of our budget-reform proposals, proposals that hold a promise
of a balanced and honest Federal budget and a brighter future for our
children and our grandchildren.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. SIMPSON. I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Alaska (Mr.
Young).
Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, fellow colleagues, when you first
took this office, you held up your hand and swore to uphold the
Constitution of America. I hope you read the Constitution. You say it's
not relevant. It is. What we're doing here is transferring the power--
and I've watched this for 40 years slowly creep into this body--
transferring the power to the President's regulatory law. Now we're
going to give him the power to line-item veto. Shame on you. Shame on
you. This is a Congress of the people. It's up to us to do the job, and
the chairman has done the job this time.
I'm looking down the road. The idea that we're going to let this
House give this power to this President or any other President in the
future, you've lost the Constitution in America as we have today. Let's
think about this, ladies and gentlemen. That's what you're doing.
You're transferring it to a monarchy to control it by executive orders,
and now control the purse strings of this great Nation to the Congress,
saying you can't do it when we're the representative of the people.
You talk about the debt. The debt is terrible; it's awful. But it
would be worse to have our body, in fact, transfer the power of this
House, under the
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Constitution, to the President of the United States.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, after that, I'd like to yield 3
minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. Lankford), a
member of the Budget Committee.
Mr. LANKFORD. Mr. Chairman, you know, this bill is called the
Expedited Legislative Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act. I think it
may be inappropriately named because it gives an illusion that this is
a veto power as we're used to seeing a veto power in the Congress.
This is not handing over to the President and saying, cut wherever
you want and we have to override you. Instead, this is a Presidential
handing to him and just saying, okay, check this. If he sees anything
he doesn't like, he sends it back and we have to agree with it. If
either the House or the Senate says, no, that should be there, it
stays. It's not an override. It's actually an agreement with the
President on one thing or another.
Maybe this bill should have been called the ``second opinion'' bill,
to be able to have what we put out of the House and out of the Senate
and what we pass, pass onto the President. He takes a look at it and
says, That all looks great, I'm signing off on it; or say, You know
what, maybe we should take a look at this area.
Currently, our appropriations team that we have in the House is doing
a fantastic job of holding the line on spending. I am not as confident
10 years from now that that may still exist. This is a check to that.
Currently, this body has banned earmarks. It's not a permanent ban;
it's in the rules for us for this current session. Will that still
exist years from now? I don't know. This is a way to be able to deal
with that issue to say if that were ever to slip back in, we can get
that in. Maybe this bill should be called the ``trust but verify''
bill.
I can tell you, even as a freshman House Member, there have been
moments that I voted for something and then picked up the newspaper the
next day only to read something that none of us were aware had slipped
in. This provides that moment, that when we pick up the newspaper the
next day after something has passed, to have another moment, to have
that trust-but-verify moment to be able to look at it and say, Why
don't we see if we can take another look at that. And if that came back
to us in an individual form, I bet we would vote that down. This is one
more tool in the toolbox of reducing spending.
In a moment with $15.3 trillion in debt, in a moment with a deficit
all of us have great disdain for, let's take every opportunity we can
possibly take to find moments and places where we can reduce spending,
to allow the President to take a look at it and say, Take a second look
at this, and allow this body and the body on the other side of the
rotunda to say we agree or disagree. If we disagree, fine. We voted for
it the first time; let's vote it the second time. We may come back at
it and say, You know what, when that comes back out in the light of
day, I agree with you. Let's pull that out and let's find one more spot
to do deficit reduction.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. SIMPSON. Mr. Chairman, I would inquire--we're ready to close--how
much time do I have remaining, Mr. Chairman?
The CHAIR. The gentleman from Idaho has 5 minutes remaining.
Mr. SIMPSON. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my time.
I appreciate the fact that some of my good friends have a different
opinion about this than I do, particularly Chairman Ryan and Mr. Van
Hollen. I appreciate the bipartisanship with which they have worked on
this issue; but I will tell you, bipartisanship does not make something
right which is fundamentally wrong, and this is fundamentally wrong.
I also feel a little bit like Custer at the Little Big Horn. I know
this is probably going to pass without much doubt, but it's still
wrong.
For 200 years, as the gentleman from Alaska said, Congress has been
shifting more and more authority to the administrative branch of
government. We are doing it again with this legislation.
I keep hearing people talk about earmarks and airdropped provisions
in appropriation bills. I would remind the Members, in the 2011
appropriation bill there were no earmarks, there were no airdrops. In
the 2012 appropriation bills there were no earmarks, there were no
airdrops. We have changed the way we do business around here.
Now, you might have had an argument several years ago when there were
thousands of earmarks in the appropriation bill. That doesn't happen
anymore. For the first time, we're trying to bring appropriation
bills--for the first time in 5 years--bring appropriation bills to the
floor under an open rule. We didn't get it all done last year. We ended
up with an omnibus, as Mr. Van Hollen shows on his table. This year we
are committed, given the floor time, we're going to bring every
appropriation bill to the floor under an open rule so that every Member
that has a problem with any provision can offer an amendment to have
that removed.
It's been said that this is constitutional, Mr. Van Hollen said, so
let's take that argument away. Not necessarily and not so quickly. In
conversations with members of the third branch of government, the
judiciary, they have concerns that this may be unconstitutional,
because what's required now is that the President presents the judicial
request for appropriations, but he can't change it. He just passes it
on to Congress. This gives the President a say in line-iteming specific
provisions in the judicial request, which may violate both U.S. Code
and be unconstitutional.
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So that question is still out there about the constitutionality of
this. But I will tell you, in times of extraordinary circumstances, as
we currently have, with a $15 trillion debt, and everyone wants to
reduce that debt, nobody more than the members of the Appropriations
Committee have reduced spending in the last 2 years. But in times of
extraordinary circumstances, we often do unwise things in the name of
trying to address that problem. Such is this bill.
Most Members have never negotiated an appropriation bill with the
Senate. Let me tell you how it works. We would think that the President
has no say in the appropriation process until we present him with a
bill. When I was negotiating the Interior bill with the Senate, I was
not negotiating with the Senate. I was negotiating with the White
House. They did not approve anything that was not pre-approved by the
administration.
And we made some deals, and we got some priorities of things that we,
on the Republican side, think are important, and the President got some
priorities that he thinks are important on his side. That's called
legislating.
But now, what you are going to do is say, okay, you make those deals.
You get an appropriation bill. There's going to be things in it I don't
like. There's going to be things in it the administration doesn't like.
There's going to be things in it that nobody in here likes.
But now you're going to give the President a second bite at the apple
to break that deal. And do you think he's going to take those things
that Democrats think are not their priorities and take them out of the
bill? Of course not. He's going to take out Republican priorities and
put them for a second vote. And a Republican President would do the
same thing to the Democrats.
This is going to be partisan politics. And when you say it comes back
for Congress to have a final say, once it comes back to overriding a
veto or overriding a rescission, it then becomes political. You, on
your side of the aisle, in this case, are going to say we have to
support our President. That's what happens. That's the reality. We, on
our side of the aisle, would say the same thing if it were a Republican
President. That's just reality.
So what you're breaking down is that balance of power between the
administrative branch of government and the legislative branch of
government. This is, without a doubt, a step in the wrong direction.
Voting for this bill will not make you a budget hawk. And frankly, I
don't think it will save any money. But it will make for some good
press releases.
But don't go out and say that you've reduced Federal spending, and
you've taken wasteful spending out of the
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Federal budget by passing this bill. You haven't. What you've done is
said, I'm willing to sacrifice the legislative authority that was given
to us in the Constitution and shift more power to the administrative
branch of government.
Do you honestly believe that the Founding Fathers would recognize
what they built in the Constitution? Do you really think that they
would look at the administrative branch of government and say we wanted
this kind of Presidency and a weak legislative branch? I don't think
so.
This is a bad bill. I would vote it down if I were you.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, this bill is an important, bipartisan measure. It has
bipartisan support here in the House. It has strong bipartisan support
in the Senate where it's introduced by Senator Carper and Senator
McCain and has strong bipartisan co-sponsorship. It's supported by the
Obama administration.
But Mr. Simpson is absolutely right: it's not the bipartisanship that
makes this bill the right thing to do. It's the fact that it calls for
greater transparency and greater accountability in our process.
Everybody in this body has to concede that we can improve our budget
process. Yes, we should work on the tax expenditure component. Yes, we
should work on mandatory spending. Of course we should. But this is a
simple bipartisan measure we can take to provide more transparency when
it comes to over $1 trillion in discretionary spending.
And I go back to where I started. Just look at this bill, 1,200-plus
pages. This House took less than 15 hours, less than 15 hours to review
this bill. Now, given the fact that we didn't have adequate time to
scrutinize this, I don't see anything wrong with saying that if the
President of the United States, Republican or Democrat, identifies some
savings we can make for the taxpayer that go to deficit reduction, that
this Congress should have to vote on that. You don't have to say yes.
You just have to vote, up or down.
And for those who argue otherwise, I have to say that I don't think
putting turf over the taxpayer is a winning argument when it comes to
dealing with our budget issues because, make no mistake, this is
constitutional. It's been designed to be constitutional.
Mr. Young said I said it wasn't relevant that it's constitutional.
That's not what I said. It's totally relevant that it's constitutional.
And it's designed that way; Congress has the final say. That's what
makes this constitutional.
Are we giving the President a little more power? Well, only if you
say that it's more power to recommend to Congress some savings for the
taxpayer and that we will then vote on them. It seems to me that's just
basic responsibility. Well over a majority of Governors have total
line-item authority. This is not line-item authority because it
requires congressional vote and oversight.
So I would say that the process is broken. It's not broken because of
the Appropriations Committee. They do incredible, hard work and put in
lots of hours. But at the end of the day, we just saw last December,
less than 15 hours to review 1,200 pages of appropriations bills. Who,
in this body, can say that they looked at everything, they scrutinized
everything, that we can't find any additional savings for the taxpayer
for the purpose of deficit reduction?
So I ask my colleagues to support this bill, not because it's
bipartisan, but it is; and I think that's an important reflection on
the fact that people on both sides of the aisle, bringing their own
independent judgment to bear on this, have concluded this would be in
the best interest of the country.
But, in addition to that, because it does take one measured,
responsible step toward improving a broken budget process, and my
goodness, at the end of the day, that would be a good day's work in a
bipartisan Congress if we could get that done.
I thank, again, the chairman of the committee, Mr. Ryan. I thank his
staff and our staff, the Democratic staff on the committee, for working
together.
And with that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the remainder of
our time.
Let me, first of all, say the gentleman left the floor, I believe,
but Mr. Simpson, I want to thank him for a civil and spirited debate.
This is not an attempt to go after one committee, the Appropriations
Committee. And I understand that this committee might feel that way.
This is an attempt to take one more step on behalf of the taxpayer to
clean up the system on how we spend hardworking taxpayers' dollars.
Here's the issue, Mr. Chairman. When we pass large spending bills, we
vote on things we're not even necessarily sure we're voting on. And I
think the measure of success of this reform will not be measured by how
many individual spending line items get voted out of spending by
Congress, but how many items don't get put in these bills in the first
place because this brings through to the final part of the process that
extra level of transparency and accountability that has been lacking.
I'll take a provision authored by a Republican a few years ago as an
example: $40 million, I think that's the number, for a rainforest
museum in Iowa in a spending bill for Labor and Health that didn't go
through the House, didn't go through the Senate, but came at the last
minute.
And, yes, this Congress, through the rules of this House, is banning
earmarks and airdrops, but who's to say they won't return under our new
management some day?
I think it would be helpful to the process to say, you know what, if
we're going to put $40 million for a rainforest museum without real
consideration before the House and the Senate, we ought to think about
that individually. Or, more importantly, if I'm a Member of Congress
and I want to put something like this in a spending bill, I ought to
think twice about whether or not I'm willing to defend this kind of
spending in the light of day on an individual vote among my peers,
because that could happen under this reform.
This is constitutional because the President signs this spending
bill. He doesn't sign part of it. He doesn't rescind part of it. He
signs it, and then this gives him the ability to create a new bill
saying, vote on this piece of spending.
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We have expedited procedures so we have to take a vote. It's no
different than how Presidents send us trade agreements to vote on under
expedited procedures.
We're not saying the President can take a part of a bill and not sign
it and then send us this. No. We're saying the President signs a big
spending bill and then, if he wants, he can write a new bill within a
tight time window saying cancel that spending. Then Congress makes the
decision, the House and the Senate, by a simple majority vote, both
Houses. They get to decide whether or not to reaffirm or to spend that
money.
All this does is it puts the taxpayer in front of turf, as my friend
from Maryland says, and it gives Members of Congress the ability to
have that extra layer of accountability and transparency so that at the
end of the day we are always thinking of the taxpayer first and special
interests second in the way we spend taxpayer dollars.
Will this fix all of our problems? No. But this, along with many
other reforms we seek to bring to the floor, will hopefully turn the
process by which we spend taxpayer dollars into one that is more
accountable, more transparent, and more responsible.
With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. BLUMENAUER. Mr. Chair, I support H.R. 3521, the Expedited Line-
Item Veto and Rescissions Act, which creates a process enabling the
President to propose the elimination of certain individual spending
items that he deems unnecessary and to submit those eliminations to
Congress for an expedited vote. This may prove to be a useful tool to
ensure that our government closely stewards important taxpayer dollars.
It is disappointing, however, that such a tool should be necessary.
Our constitution vests Members of Congress with the responsibility to
raise and spend revenue to provide for the general welfare of the
United States. In other words, we are obligated to invest taxpayer
dollars in ways that grow our economy, protect our environment and
public health, defend our nation, educate
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our children, and build a strong infrastructure. In sum, Congress has
the responsibility to keep America competitive in the 21st century.
It is my hope that the President will not need to use this new power.
Unfortunately, Congress has too often shown that it is unable to make
the hard choices necessary--on unnecessary weapons systems, on
subsidizing big agribusiness, on the provision of expensive tax
benefits to the oil industry--to eliminate wasteful spending.
I support H.R. 3521, but I remain hopeful that Congress finds the
will to act responsibly and avoids use by the President of a line item
veto.
Mr. HOLT. Mr. Chair, when this body last considered legislation to
institute a ``line-item veto'' during the 109th Congress, I joined 171
of my colleagues in voting against it. Today, we again find ourselves
considering a similar measure, and, once again, I rise in opposition to
this latest attempt to abdicate our responsibilities, H.R. 3521, the
Expedited Legislative Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act of 2011.
This legislation alters dramatically the balance of power that the
framers so delicately established. It is an abdication of our
responsibilities as Members of Congress. The separation and balance of
governmental powers must be kept. We have heard proponents of this
measure come to the floor and speak about how this bill provides us
with another tool to ensure that we are spending taxpayer funds
sensibly. Why do we need another tool in our toolkit, Mr. Chair? I
would argue that if we are seeking ways to cut the deficit, let's do it
by sending appropriate spending bills to the President's desk. We are
not missing a tool in our toolkit; we are missing the political will to
come together as members of this body to produce spending bills that
accomplish this goal without prompting from The White House. If indeed
political will is missing, this ``line item veto'' will not be the way
to find it.
Furthermore, this measure puts us in danger of losing funding for
good programs in the midst of partisan bickering. Funding for
International Family Planning, funding for public transportation's
funding for the arts or any of countless valuable items in our country,
could be jeopardized if this legislation is enacted and the political
climate is such that the President has other ideological views.
There is no evidence and no good reason to believe that this will
actually succeed in reducing wasteful spending. Again, I would urge my
colleagues to work together and produce common sense legislation that
terminates wasteful programs and evaluate both our revenues and our
spending to put our budget back on the right track. We have done it in
the past and I believe that it is possible for us to do it again. I
urge my colleagues to oppose this measure.
The CHAIR. All time for general debate has expired.
Pursuant to the rule, the bill shall be considered for amendment
under the 5-minute rule.
In lieu of the amendments recommended by the Committees on the Budget
and Rules, printed in the bill, it shall be in order to consider as an
original bill for the purpose of amendment under the 5-minute rule an
amendment in the nature of a substitute consisting of the text of Rules
Committee print 112-12. That amendment in the nature of a substitute
shall be considered read.
The text of the amendment in the nature of a substitute is as
follows:
H.R. 3521
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Expedited Legislative Line-
Item Veto and Rescissions Act of 2012''.
SEC. 2. CONGRESSIONAL CONSIDERATION OF PROPOSED RESCISSIONS
AND DEFERRALS OF BUDGET AUTHORITY AND
OBLIGATION LIMITATIONS.
Title X of the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control
Act of 1974 (2 U.S.C. 621 et seq.) is amended by striking all
of part B (except for sections 1015, 1016, and 1013, which
are transferred and redesignated as sections 1017, 1018, and
1019, respectively) and part C and by inserting after part A
the following:
``Part B--Congressional Consideration of Proposed Rescissions and
Deferrals of Budget Authority and Obligation Limitations
``congressional consideration of proposed rescissions and deferrals of
budget authority and obligation limitations
``Sec. 1011. (a) Proposed Rescissions.--Within 45 days
after the enactment of any bill or joint resolution providing
any funding, the President may propose, in the manner
provided in subsection (b), the rescission of all or part of
any dollar amount of such funding.
``(b) Special Message.--If the President proposes that
Congress rescind funding, the President shall transmit a
special message to Congress containing the information
specified in this subsection.
``(1) Packaging of requested rescissions.--For each piece
of legislation that provides funding, the President shall
request at most 2 packages of rescissions and the rescissions
in each package shall apply only to funding contained in that
legislation. The President shall not include the same
rescission in both packages.
``(2) Transmittal.--The President shall deliver each
message requesting a package of rescissions to the Secretary
of the Senate if the Senate is not in session and to the
Clerk of the House of Representatives if the House is not in
session. The President shall make a copy of the transmittal
message publicly available, and shall publish in the Federal
Register a notice of the message and information on how it
can be obtained.
``(3) Contents of special message.--For each request to
rescind funding under this part, the transmittal message
shall--
``(A) specify--
``(i) the dollar amount to be rescinded;
``(ii) the agency, bureau, and account from which the
rescission shall occur;
``(iii) the program, project, or activity within the
account (if applicable) from which the rescission shall
occur;
``(iv) the amount of funding, if any, that would remain for
the account, program, project, or activity if the rescission
request is enacted;
``(v) the reasons the President requests the rescission;
``(vi) to the maximum extent practicable, the estimated
fiscal, economic, and budgetary effect (including the effect
on outlays and receipts in each fiscal year) of the proposed
rescission;
``(vii) to the maximum extent practicable, all facts,
circumstances, and considerations relating to or bearing upon
the proposed rescission and the decision to propose the
rescission, and the estimated effect of the proposed
rescission upon the objects, purposes, or programs; and
``(viii) if a second special message is transmitted
pursuant to paragraph (2), a detailed explanation of why the
proposed rescissions are not substantially similar to any
other proposed rescission in such other message; and
``(B) designate each separate rescission request by number;
and include proposed legislative text of an approval bill to
accomplish the requested rescissions which may not include--
``(i) any changes in existing law, other than the
rescission of funding; or
``(ii) any supplemental appropriations, transfers, or
reprogrammings.
``grants of and limitations on presidential authority
``Sec. 1012. (a) Presidential Authority To Withhold
Funding.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law and if
the President proposes a rescission of funding under this
part, the President may, subject to the time limits provided
in subsection (c), temporarily withhold that funding from
obligation.
``(b) Withholding Available Only Once Per Proposed
Rescission.--Except as provided in section 1019, the
President may not invoke the authority to withhold funding
granted by subsection (a) for any other purpose.
``(c) Time Limits.--The President shall make available for
obligation any funding withheld under subsection (a) on the
earliest of--
``(1) the day on which the President determines that the
continued withholding or reduction no longer advances the
purpose of legislative consideration of the approval bill;
``(2) the 45th day following the date of enactment of the
appropriations measure to which the approval bill relates; or
``(3) the last day that the President determines the
obligation of the funding in question can no longer be fully
accomplished in a prudent manner before its expiration.
``(d) Deficit Reduction.--
``(1) In general.--Funds that are rescinded under this part
shall be dedicated only to reducing the deficit or increasing
the surplus.
``(2) Adjustment of levels in the concurrent resolution on
the budget.--Not later than 5 days after the date of
enactment of an approval bill as provided under this part,
the chairs of the Committees on the Budget of the Senate and
the House of Representatives shall revise allocations and
aggregates and other appropriate levels under the appropriate
concurrent resolution on the budget to reflect the
rescissions, and the Committees on Appropriations of the
House of Representatives and the Senate shall report revised
suballocations pursuant to section 302(b) of title III, as
appropriate.
``(3) Adjustments to statutory limits.--After enactment of
an approval bill provided under this section, the President
shall revise downward by the amount of the rescissions
applicable limits under the Balanced Budget and Emergency
Deficit Control Act of 1985.
``procedures for expedited consideration
``Sec. 1013. (a) Expedited Consideration.--
``(1) Introduction of approval bill.--The majority leader
of each House or a designee shall (by request) introduce an
approval bill as defined in section 1015 not later than the
fifth day of session of that House after the date of receipt
of a special message transmitted to the Congress under
section 1011(b).
``(2) Consideration in the house of representatives.--
``(A) Referral and reporting.--Any committee of the House
of Representatives to which an approval bill is referred
shall report it to the House without amendment not later than
the fifth legislative day after the date of its introduction.
If a committee fails to report the bill within that period or
the House has adopted a concurrent resolution providing for
adjournment sine die at the end of a Congress, such committee
shall be automatically discharged from further consideration
of the bill and it shall be placed on the appropriate
calendar.
``(B) Proceeding to consideration.--Not later than 5
legislative days after the approval bill is reported or a
committee has been discharged from further consideration
thereof, it shall be in order to move to proceed to consider
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the approval bill in the House. Such a motion shall be in
order only at a time designated by the Speaker in the
legislative schedule within two legislative days after the
day on which the proponent announces an intention to the
House to offer the motion provided that such notice may not
be given until the approval bill is reported or a committee
has been discharged from further consideration thereof. Such
a motion shall not be in order after the House has disposed
of a motion to proceed with respect to that special message.
The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the
motion to its adoption without intervening motion. A motion
to reconsider the vote by which the motion is disposed of
shall not be in order.
``(C) Consideration.--If the motion to proceed is agreed
to, the House shall immediately proceed to consider the
approval bill in the House without intervening motion. The
approval bill shall be considered as read. All points of
order against the approval bill and against its consideration
are waived. The previous question shall be considered as
ordered on the approval bill to its passage without
intervening motion except 2 hours of debate equally divided
and controlled by the proponent and an opponent and one
motion to limit debate on the bill. A motion to reconsider
the vote on passage of the approval bill shall not be in
order.
``(3) Consideration in the senate.--
``(A) Referral.--The approval bill introduced in the Senate
shall be referred to the committees having jurisdiction over
the provisions of law contained in the approval bill.
``(B) Committee action.--Each committee of referral of the
Senate shall report without amendment the approval bill
referred to it under this subsection not later than the fifth
session day after introduction. If a committee fails to
report the approval bill within that period or the Senate has
adopted a concurrent resolution providing for adjournment
sine die at the end of a Congress, the Committee shall be
automatically discharged from further consideration of the
approval bill and it shall be placed on the appropriate
calendar.
``(C) Motion to proceed.--Not later than 5 session days
after the approval bill is reported in the Senate or
committees have been discharged thereof, it shall be in order
for any Senator to move to proceed to consider the approval
bill in the Senate. The motion shall be decided without
debate and the motion to reconsider shall be deemed to have
been laid on the table. Such a motion shall not be in order
after the Senate has disposed of a prior motion to proceed
with respect to the approval bill.
``(D) Consideration.--If a motion to proceed to the
consideration of the approval bill is agreed to, the Senate
shall immediately proceed to consideration of the approval
bill without intervening motion, order, or other business,
and the approval bill shall remain the unfinished business of
the Senate until disposed of. Consideration on the bill in
the Senate under this subsection, and all debatable motions
and appeals in connection therewith, shall not exceed 10
hours. All points of order against the approval bill or its
consideration are waived. Consideration in the Senate on any
debatable motion or appeal in connection with the approval
bill shall be limited to not more than 1 hour. A motion to
postpone, or a motion to proceed to the consideration of
other business, or a motion to recommit the approval bill is
not in order. A motion to reconsider the vote by which the
approval bill is agreed to or disagreed to is not in order.
``(4) Amendments prohibited.--No amendment to, or motion to
strike a provision from, an approval bill considered under
this section shall be in order in either the Senate or the
House of Representatives.
``(5) Coordination with action by other house.--
``(A) In general.--If, before passing the approval bill,
one House receives from the other a bill--
``(i) the approval bill of the other House shall not be
referred to a committee; and
``(ii) the procedure in the receiving House shall be the
same as if no approval bill had been received from the other
House until the vote on passage, when the bill received from
the other House shall supplant the approval bill of the
receiving House.
``(B) This paragraph shall not apply to the House of
Representatives if the approval bill received from the Senate
is a revenue measure or an appropriation measure.
``(b) Limitation.--Subsection (a) shall apply only to an
approval bill introduced pursuant to subsection (a)(1).
``(c) CBO Estimate.--Upon receipt of a special message
under section 1101 proposing to rescind all or part of any
dollar amount, CBO shall prepare and submit to the
appropriate committees of the House of Representatives and
the Senate an estimate of the reduction in budget authority
which would result from the enactment of the proposed
recisions.
``treatment of rescissions
``Sec. 1014. Rescissions proposed by the President under
this part shall take effect only upon enactment of the
applicable approval bill. If an approval bill is not enacted
into law within 45 days from the enactment of the
appropriation measure to which the approval bill relates,
then the approval bill shall not be eligible for expedited
consideration under the provisions of this Act.
``definitions
``Sec. 1015. As used in this part:
``(1) Appropriation measure.--The term `appropriation
measure' means an Act referred to in section 105 of title 1,
United States Code, including any general or special
appropriation Act, or any Act making supplemental,
deficiency, or continuing appropriations, that has been
enacted into law pursuant to article I, section 7, of the
Constitution of the United States.
``(2) Approval bill.--The term `approval bill' means a bill
which only approves rescissions of funding in a special
message transmitted by the President under this part and--
``(A) the title of which is as follows: `A bill approving
the proposed rescissions transmitted by the President on
___', the blank space being filled in with the date of
transmission of the relevant special message and the public
law number to which the message relates; and
``(B) which provides only the following after the enacting
clause: `That the Congress approves the proposed rescissions
___', the blank space being filled in with the list of the
rescissions contained in the President's special message, `as
transmitted by the President in a special message on ____',
the blank space being filled in with the appropriate date,
`regarding ____.', the blank space being filled in with the
public law number to which the special message relates.
``(3) Day.--Except as used in section 1013, the term `day'
means a standard 24-hour period beginning at midnight and a
number of days shall be calculated by excluding Sundays,
legal holidays, and any day during which neither chamber of
Congress is in session.
``(4) Rescind or rescission.--The terms `rescind' or
`rescission' mean to permanently cancel or prevent budget
authority or outlays available under an obligation limit from
having legal force or effect.
``(5) Congressional budget office.--The term `CBO' means
the Director of the Congressional Budget Office.
``(6) Comptroller general.--The term `Comptroller General'
means the Comptroller General of the United States.
``(7) Deferral of budget authority.--The term `deferral of
budget authority' includes--
``(A) withholding or delaying the obligations or
expenditure of budget authority (whether by establishing
reserves or otherwise) provided for projects or activities;
or
``(B) any other type of Executive action or inaction which
effectively precludes the obligation or expenditure of budget
authority, including authority to obligate by contract in
advance of appropriations as specifically authorized by law.
``(8) Funding.--(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B),
the term `funding' means all or part of the dollar amount of
budget authority or obligation limit--
``(i) specified in an appropriation measure, or the dollar
amount of budget authority or obligation limit required to be
allocated by a specific proviso in an appropriation measure
for which a specific dollar figure was not included;
``(ii) represented separately in any table, chart, or
explanatory text included in the statement of managers or the
governing committee report accompanying such law; or
``(iii) represented by the product of the estimated
procurement cost and the total quantity of items specified in
an appropriation measure or included in the statement of
managers or the governing committee report accompanying such
law.
``(B) The term `funding' does not include--
``(i) direct spending;
``(ii) budget authority in an appropriation measure which
funds direct spending provided for in other law;
``(iii) any existing budget authority canceled in an
appropriation measure; or
``(iv) any restriction or condition in an appropriation
measure or the accompanying statement of managers or
committee reports on the expenditure of budget authority for
an account, program, project, or activity, or on activities
involving such expenditure.
``(9) Withhold.--The terms `withhold' and `withholding'
apply to any executive action or inaction that precludes the
obligation of funding at a time when it would otherwise have
been available to an agency for obligation. The terms do not
include administrative or preparatory actions undertaken
prior to obligation in the normal course of implementing
budget laws.
``expiration
``Sec. 1016. On December 15, 2015, the amendments made by
the Expedited Legislative Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act
of 2012 shall be replaced by the provisions of part B of the
Impoundment Control Act of 1974 as in effect immediately
before the date of enactment of the Expedited Legislative
Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act of 2012.''.
SEC. 3. TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.
(a) Exercise of Rulemaking Powers.--Section 904 of the
Congressional Budget Act of 1974 (2 U.S.C. 621 note) is
amended--
(1) in subsection (a), by striking ``1017'' and inserting
``1013''; and
(2) in subsection (d), by striking ``section 1017'' and
inserting ``section 1013''.
(b) Clerical Amendments.--(1) The last sentence of section
1(a) of the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act
of 1974 is amended to read as follows: ``Sections 1011
through 1016 of part B of title X may be cited as the
`Expedited Legislative Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act of
2012'.''.
(2) Section 1017 of such Act (as redesignated) is amended
by striking ``section 1012 or 1013'' each place it appears
and inserting ``section 1011 or 1019'' and section 1018 (as
redesignated) is amended by striking ``calendar'' and ``of
continuous session''.
(3) Section 1019(c) of such Act (as redesignated) is
amended by striking ``1012'' and inserting ``1011''.
(4) Table of Contents.--The table of contents set forth in
section 1(b) of the Congressional Budget and Impoundment
Control Act of 1974 is amended by striking the items relating
to parts B and C (including all of the items relating to the
sections therein) of title X and inserting the following:
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``Part B--Congressional Consideration of Proposed Rescissions and
Deferrals of Budget Authority and Obligation Limitations
``Sec. 1011. Congressional consideration of proposed rescissions and
deferrals of budget authority and obligation limitations.
``Sec. 1012. Grants of and limitations on presidential authority.
``Sec. 1013. Procedures for Expedited Consideration.
``Sec. 1014. Treatment of rescissions.
``Sec. 1015. Definitions.
``Sec. 1016. Expiration.''.
(c) Effective Date.--The amendments made by this Act shall
apply to funding as defined in section 1015(8) of the
Congressional Budget Act and Impoundment Control of 1974 in
any Act enacted after the date of enactment of this Act.
SEC. 4. APPROVAL MEASURES CONSIDERED.
Section 314 of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 is
amended--
(1) by redesignating subsections (b) through (e) as
subsections (c) through (f) and by inserting after subsection
(a) the following new subsection:
``(b) Adjustments for Rescissions.--(1) Whenever an
approval bill passes the House of Representatives, the
Committee on the Budget shall immediately reduce the
applicable allocations under section 302(a) by the total
amount of reductions in budget authority and in outlays
resulting from such approval bill.
``(2) As used in this subsection, the term `approval bill'
has the meaning given to such term in section 1015.''; and
(2) in subsection (d) (as redesignated), by inserting ``or
(b)'' after ``subsection (a)''.
The CHAIR. All points of order against that amendment in the nature
of a substitute are waived. No amendment to that amendment in the
nature of a substitute shall be in order except those printed in House
Report 112-389. Each such amendment may be offered only in the order
printed in the report, may be offered only by a Member designated in
the report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for the
time specified in the report equally divided and controlled by the
proponent and an opponent, shall not be subject to amendment, and shall
not be subject to a demand for division of the question.
Amendment No. 1 Offered by Mr. Ryan of Wisconsin
The CHAIR. It is now in order to consider amendment No. 1 printed in
House Report 112-389.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment at the desk.
The CHAIR. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
Page 2, line 8, strike ``45'' and insert ``10''.
Page 3, line 21, insert ``and'' after the semicolon.
Page 3, line 23, strike the semicolon and insert a period.
Page 3, strike line 24 and all that follows thereafter
through page 4, line 16.
Page 5, line 21, strike ``45th'' and insert ``60th''.
Page 6, line 9, strike ``5 days'' and insert ``3 days of
session''.
Page 6, line 20, strike ``After'' and insert ``Not later
than 3 days after''.
Page 7, line 4, strike ``fifth'' and insert ``third''.
Page 7, line 14, strike ``fifth'' and insert ``third''.
Page 7, line 24, strike ``5'' and insert ``3''.
Page 9, strike lines 9 through 12.
Page 9, line 13, strike ``(B)'' and insert ``(A)''.
Page 9, lines 13 and 14, strike ``Each committee of
referral'' and insert ``The appropriate committee''.
Page 9, lines 15 and 16, strike ``referred to it under this
subsection'' and insert ``as defined in section 1015(2)''.
Page 9, lines 16 and 17, strike ``fifth session day'' and
insert ``third session day''.
Page 10, line 1, strike ``(C)'' and insert ``(B)''.
Page 10, line 2, strike ``5'' and insert ``3''.
Page 10, line 3, strike ``committees have'' and insert
``the committee has''.
Page 10, line 12, strike ``(D)'' and insert ``(C)''.
Page 10, line 22, insert ``equally divided in the usual
form'' before the period.
Page 12, line 4, strike ``if'' and all that follows
thereafter through ``measure'' on line 6.
Page 12, line 8, insert ``, as such term is defined in
section 1015(2),'' after ``approval bill''.
Page 12, after line 8, insert the following:
``(c) Extended Time Period.--If Congress adjourns at the
end of a Congress prior to the expiration of the periods
described in sections 1012(c)(2) and 1014 and an approval
bill was then pending in either House of Congress or a
committee thereof, or an approval bill had not yet been
introduced with respect to a special message, or before the
applicable 10-day period specified in section 1011(a) has
expired, then within the first 3 days of session, the
President shall transmit to Congress an additional special
message containing all of the information in the previous,
pending special message and an approval bill may be
introduced within the first five days of session of the next
Congress and shall be treated as an approval bill under this
part, and the time periods described in sections 1012(c)(2)
and 1014 shall commence on the day of introduction of that
approval bill.
``(d) Approval Bill Procedure.--In order for an approval
bill to be considered under the procedures set forth in this
part, the bill must meet the definition of an approval bill
and must be introduced no later than the third day of session
following the beginning of the period described in section
1013(a)(1) or the fifth day in the case of paragraph (1).''.
Page 12, line 9, strike ``(c)'' and insert ``(e)''.
Page 12, line 11, strike ``dollar amount'' and insert
``funding''.
Page 12, line 20, strike ``45'' and insert ``60''.
Page 12, line 23, strike ``Act'' and insert ``part''.
Page 14, strike lines 5 through 10.
Page 14, line 11, strike ``(4)'' and insert ``(3)''.
Page 14, line 15, strike ``(5)'' and insert ``(4)''.
Page 14, line 18, strike ``(6)'' and insert ``(5)''.
Page 14, line 21, strike ``(7)'' and insert ``(6)''.
Page 15, line 9, strike ``(8)'' and insert ``(7)''.
Page 16, line 16, strike ``(9)'' and insert ``(8)''.
The CHAIR. Pursuant to House Resolution 540, the gentleman from
Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan) and a Member opposed each will control 5 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Wisconsin.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, I don't think we need to spend a
lot of time on this.
This amendment makes technical revisions to certain procedures and
definitions. The time period was reduced from 5 legislative days to 3
legislative days for the introduction of an approval bill in the motion
to proceed. The amendment clarifies that approval bills are described
as discretionary bills only. Additionally, it includes a procedure that
provides for the consideration of an approval bill should the previous
Congress end before an up-or-down vote.
All this simply does, Mr. Chairman, is clarify concerns raised by the
Rules Committee so that we have consistent procedures and concerns by
the minority that this bill simply does what it says it does and that
it circumscribe to discretionary spending.
With that, I really have no other things to say other than I'd be
happy to yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman from
Maryland.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Chairman, I have nothing to add to that and would
urge adoption of the amendment.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. DREIER. Mr. Chair, since 1999, the Committee on Rules has worked
to standardize the practices related to expedited consideration of
legislation. In general, the Committee believes that expedited
procedures are unnecessary, particularly in the House. However, when
necessary, the Committee strives to ensure that these procedures are
uniform in application and agnostic toward the content of any measure
considered thereunder.
The circumstances surrounding consideration of H.R. 3521 are unique,
and several changes are included in the manager's amendment that
represent the uniqueness of this legislation. The procedures contained
in the House-passed version of H.R. 3521 should not be viewed as a new
standard for future expedited procedures the House may consider.
The CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman
from Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan).
The amendment was agreed to.
Amendment No. 2 Offered by Mr. Alexander
The CHAIR. It is now in order to consider amendment No. 2 printed in
House Report 112-389.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment.
The CHAIR. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
Page 4, after line 24, add the following new subsection:
``(c) Exemption for the Corps of Engineers.--The President
may not propose the rescission under this part of all or part
of any dollar amount of funding for the Corps of
Engineers.''.
The CHAIR. Pursuant to House Resolution 540, the gentleman from
Louisiana (Mr. Alexander) and a Member opposed each will control 5
minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Louisiana.
Mr. ALEXANDER. Mr. Chairman, as we decide whether or not the
President of the United States should have the
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authority to propose cuts to funding that Congress appropriates money
to, I cannot help but be gravely concerned about how he may use those
powers.
While I, as much as anyone here, agrees that our government must
constrain and cut the unnecessary expenditures, I fear that giving the
President certain powers to take away that which Congress has given
would severely harm certain States and regions whose needs the
President may not fully understand.
Of particular concern to me, Mr. Chairman, is the importance of the
water resources, the projects across this country that are vitally
important to our national security and economy. With this in mind, I
believe that a line must be drawn when it comes to the President's
authority to propose a rescission to the budget of the Army Corps of
Engineers, an agency that's older than our Nation itself.
The Corps of Engineers helped General Washington win the
Revolutionary War. The Corps of Engineers carries out water resource
projects throughout the United States, including projects that protect
citizens from flood hazards and keep commercial waterways navigable.
These projects are important. They are important to lawmakers on both
sides of the aisle. The congressional appropriations for the Corps
typically exceed what the President's requests have been. I believe
that we must prevent any President, Republican or Democrat, from having
the authority to reduce funding for critical water resource projects.
It is just too important to this Nation.
With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, I claim time in opposition.
The CHAIR. The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, I won't take all of my time.
The gentleman says the Army Corps clearly provides an extremely
important function, a very valid Federal function to our government, to
our country. I rise in opposition only that we shouldn't be carving out
exceptions.
The idea that we'll carve out an exception from appropriation bills
for expedited rescission consideration to one government agency versus
all of the other government agencies out there, I don't think that's a
good precedent to set. What's to say that other agencies shouldn't be
exempt in consideration? If Congress feels that these are important
projects, which they clearly do when they pass these bills, then
clearly they will affirm that if another vote ever does arise.
For the sake of consistency, for the sake of treating all agencies
equal, I would urge a rejection of this amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
The CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman
from Louisiana (Mr. Alexander).
The question was taken; and the Chair announced that the noes
appeared to have it.
Recorded Vote
Mr. ALEXANDER. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 128,
noes 300, not voting 5, as follows:
[Roll No. 45]
AYES--128
Alexander
Altmire
Austria
Bachus
Barletta
Barrow
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Boswell
Boustany
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Butterfield
Calvert
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Castor (FL)
Chu
Clyburn
Coble
Cole
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Crawford
Critz
Culberson
Cummings
Davis (CA)
DeFazio
DeLauro
Dicks
Doyle
Emerson
Fattah
Fitzpatrick
Fortenberry
Garamendi
Gingrey (GA)
Gonzalez
Granger
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grimm
Gutierrez
Hanabusa
Harper
Harris
Herrera Beutler
Hinchey
Holden
Jackson (IL)
Jackson Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones
Keating
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kucinich
Landry
Larson (CT)
Latham
LaTourette
Lewis (CA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Loebsack
Lujan
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McGovern
McNerney
Meehan
Miller, Gary
Moore
Nadler
Napolitano
Nunnelee
Palazzo
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Perlmutter
Peters
Peterson
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rehberg
Reyes
Richardson
Richmond
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rooney
Ross (AR)
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Runyan
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sarbanes
Scalise
Schilling
Schwartz
Sewell
Shimkus
Shuster
Sires
Sutton
Terry
Thompson (CA)
Tierney
Tonko
Turner (NY)
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
West
Wilson (FL)
Womack
Woolsey
Young (AK)
NOES--300
Ackerman
Adams
Aderholt
Akin
Amash
Amodei
Andrews
Baca
Bachmann
Baldwin
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Bass (CA)
Bass (NH)
Becerra
Benishek
Berg
Berkley
Berman
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Bonamici
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boren
Brady (TX)
Braley (IA)
Brooks
Broun (GA)
Buchanan
Bucshon
Buerkle
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Camp
Campbell
Canseco
Cantor
Capito
Carnahan
Carney
Carson (IN)
Carter
Chabot
Chaffetz
Chandler
Cicilline
Clarke (MI)
Clarke (NY)
Clay
Cleaver
Coffman (CO)
Cohen
Conaway
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Cravaack
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cuellar
Davis (IL)
Davis (KY)
DeGette
Denham
Dent
DesJarlais
Deutch
Diaz-Balart
Dingell
Doggett
Dold
Donnelly (IN)
Dreier
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Edwards
Ellison
Ellmers
Engel
Eshoo
Farenthold
Farr
Filner
Fincher
Flake
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Foxx
Frank (MA)
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Fudge
Gallegly
Gardner
Garrett
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gibson
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grijalva
Guinta
Guthrie
Hahn
Hall
Hanna
Hartzler
Hastings (FL)
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Heck
Heinrich
Hensarling
Herger
Higgins
Himes
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hochul
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurt
Inslee
Israel
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jordan
Kaptur
Kelly
Kildee
Kind
Kinzinger (IL)
Kissell
Kline
Labrador
Lamborn
Lance
Langevin
Lankford
Larsen (WA)
Latta
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren, Zoe
Long
Lowey
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Lungren, Daniel E.
Lynch
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marino
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McCollum
McCotter
McDermott
McHenry
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
Meeks
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moran
Mulvaney
Murphy (CT)
Murphy (PA)
Myrick
Neal
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Olson
Olver
Owens
Paulsen
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Petri
Pingree (ME)
Pitts
Platts
Poe (TX)
Polis
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Quayle
Quigley
Rangel
Reed
Reichert
Renacci
Ribble
Rigell
Rivera
Roby
Roe (TN)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross (FL)
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schmidt
Schock
Schrader
Schweikert
Scott (SC)
Scott (VA)
Scott, Austin
Scott, David
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Sessions
Sherman
Shuler
Simpson
Slaughter
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Southerland
Speier
Stark
Stearns
Stivers
Stutzman
Sullivan
Thompson (MS)
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Towns
Tsongas
Turner (OH)
Upton
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Walberg
Walden
Walsh (IL)
Waxman
Webster
Welch
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Woodall
Yarmuth
Yoder
Young (FL)
Young (IN)
NOT VOTING--5
Blumenauer
Cassidy
McIntyre
Paul
Payne
{time} 1559
Messrs. GALLEGLY, McCOTTER, AMODEI, Mrs. NOEM, Messrs. OLSON, GRIFFIN
of Arkansas, JORDAN, Mrs. MYRICK, Mr. CROWLEY, Ms. LEE of California,
Messrs. LATTA, WOODALL, HIGGINS, BACA, BURGESS, GEORGE MILLER of
California, LEWIS of Georgia, and KISSELL changed their vote from
``aye'' to ``no.''
Messrs. ROONEY, COLE, ALTMIRE, BRADY of Pennsylvania, Ms. EDDIE
BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas, Ms. SCHWARTZ, Messrs. CALVERT, LEWIS of
California, TIERNEY, HOLDEN, Ms. DeLAURO, Messrs. REYES, GONZALEZ, Ms.
MOORE, Ms. SEWELL, Messrs. LARSON of Connecticut, BUTTERFIELD, Ms.
BROWN of Florida, Ms. WATERS, Mr. HARRIS, Ms. CASTOR of Florida, Mrs.
NAPOLITANO, and Mrs. McCARTHY of New York changed their vote from
``no'' to ``aye.''
[[Page H615]]
So the amendment was rejected.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The Acting CHAIR (Mr. Fleischmann). The question is on the amendment
in the nature of a substitute, as amended.
The amendment was agreed to.
The Acting CHAIR. Under the rule, the Committee rises.
Accordingly, the Committee rose; and the Speaker pro tempore (Mr.
Denham) having assumed the chair, Mr. Fleischmann, Acting Chair of the
Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, reported that
that Committee, having had under consideration the bill (H.R. 3521) to
amend the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 to
provide for a legislative line-item veto to expedite consideration of
rescissions, and for other purposes, and, pursuant to House Resolution
540, reported the bill back to the House with an amendment adopted in
the Committee of the Whole.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the rule, the previous question is
ordered.
Is a separate vote demanded on the amendment to the amendment
reported from the Committee of the Whole?
If not, the question is on the amendment in the nature of a
substitute, as amended.
The amendment was agreed to.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the engrossment and third
reading of the bill.
The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, and was
read the third time.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the passage of the bill.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Recorded Vote
Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 254,
noes 173, not voting 6, as follows:
[Roll No. 46]
AYES--254
Adams
Akin
Altmire
Amodei
Andrews
Bachmann
Barletta
Barrow
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Bass (CA)
Bass (NH)
Benishek
Berg
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Bonamici
Bono Mack
Boren
Boswell
Brady (TX)
Brooks
Buchanan
Bucshon
Buerkle
Burgess
Camp
Campbell
Canseco
Cantor
Capito
Capps
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Castor (FL)
Chabot
Chaffetz
Chandler
Cicilline
Coble
Coffman (CO)
Conaway
Connolly (VA)
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Cravaack
Crawford
Cuellar
Culberson
Davis (KY)
DeFazio
Denham
Dent
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Doggett
Dold
Donnelly (IN)
Dreier
Duffy
Duncan (TN)
Ellmers
Eshoo
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Flake
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garamendi
Gardner
Garrett
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gibson
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Grimm
Guinta
Guthrie
Hall
Hanna
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Heck
Heinrich
Hensarling
Herger
Higgins
Himes
Hochul
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hurt
Inslee
Israel
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (IL)
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jordan
Kelly
Kind
King (NY)
Kingston
Kinzinger (IL)
Kissell
Kline
Lamborn
Lance
Langevin
Lankford
Larsen (WA)
Latham
Latta
LoBiondo
Loebsack
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marino
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCarthy (NY)
McCaul
McClintock
McCotter
McHenry
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
Meehan
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Mulvaney
Murphy (PA)
Myrick
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Olson
Owens
Paulsen
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Perlmutter
Peters
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe (TX)
Polis
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Quayle
Quigley
Reed
Rehberg
Reichert
Renacci
Ribble
Rigell
Rivera
Roe (TN)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross (AR)
Ross (FL)
Royce
Runyan
Ruppersberger
Ryan (WI)
Scalise
Schilling
Schmidt
Schock
Schrader
Schwartz
Schweikert
Scott (SC)
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Sherman
Shimkus
Shuler
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Southerland
Stearns
Stivers
Stutzman
Sullivan
Terry
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Tsongas
Turner (NY)
Turner (OH)
Upton
Van Hollen
Walberg
Walden
Webster
Welch
West
Westmoreland
Wilson (FL)
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Woodall
Yoder
Young (IN)
NOES--173
Ackerman
Aderholt
Alexander
Amash
Austria
Baca
Bachus
Baldwin
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Bishop (GA)
Bonner
Boustany
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Broun (GA)
Brown (FL)
Burton (IN)
Butterfield
Calvert
Capuano
Carson (IN)
Carter
Chu
Clarke (MI)
Clarke (NY)
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Cole
Conyers
Courtney
Crenshaw
Critz
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeGette
DeLauro
Deutch
Dicks
Dingell
Doyle
Duncan (SC)
Edwards
Ellison
Emerson
Engel
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Gonzalez
Granger
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Griffith (VA)
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hahn
Hanabusa
Hastings (FL)
Herrera Beutler
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Hunter
Jackson (IL)
Jackson Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones
Kaptur
Keating
Kildee
King (IA)
Kucinich
Labrador
Landry
Larson (CT)
LaTourette
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lujan
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McNerney
Meeks
Miller (NC)
Moore
Moran
Murphy (CT)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Nunnelee
Olver
Palazzo
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Peterson
Pingree (ME)
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Richardson
Richmond
Roby
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rooney
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (VA)
Scott, Austin
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell
Shuster
Simpson
Sires
Slaughter
Speier
Stark
Sutton
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Thompson (PA)
Tierney
Tonko
Towns
Velazquez
Visclosky
Walsh (IL)
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Whitfield
Wolf
Womack
Woolsey
Yarmuth
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOT VOTING--6
Blumenauer
Cassidy
Long
McIntyre
Paul
Payne
{time} 1617
So the bill was passed.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
Authorizing the Clerk to Make Corrections in Engrossment
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that, in
the engrossment of H.R. 3521, the Clerk be authorized to correct
section numbers, punctuation, and cross-references and to make such
other technical and conforming changes as may be necessary to reflect
the actions of the House.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Wisconsin?
There was no objection.
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