[Congressional Record Volume 158, Number 16 (Wednesday, February 1, 2012)]
[House]
[Pages H315-H322]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
WELFARE INTEGRITY NOW FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES ACT OF 2011
Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and pass the
bill (H.R. 3567) to amend title IV of the Social Security Act to
require States to implement policies to prevent assistance under the
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program from being used
in strip clubs, casinos, and liquor stores, as amended.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
The text of the bill is as follows:
H.R. 3567
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Welfare Integrity Now for
Children and Families Act of 2011'' or the ``WIN for Children
and Families Act''.
SEC. 2. SPENDING POLICIES FOR ASSISTANCE UNDER STATE TANF
PROGRAMS.
(a) State Requirement.--Section 408(a) of the Social
Security Act (42 U.S.C. 608(a)) is amended by adding at the
end the following new paragraph:
``(12) State requirement to prevent unauthorized spending
of benefits.--
``(A) In general.--A State to which a grant is made under
section 403 shall maintain policies and practices as
necessary to prevent assistance provided under the State
program funded under this part from being used in any
electronic benefit transfer transaction in--
``(i) any liquor store;
``(ii) any casino, gambling casino, or gaming
establishment; or
``(iii) any retail establishment which provides adult-
oriented entertainment in which performers disrobe or perform
in an unclothed state for entertainment.
``(B) Definitions.--For purposes of subparagraph (A)--
``(i) Liquor store.--The term `liquor store' means any
retail establishment which sells exclusively or primarily
intoxicating liquor. Such term does not include a grocery
store which sells both intoxicating liquor and groceries
including staple foods (within the meaning of section 3(r) of
the Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 (7 U.S.C. 2012(r))).
``(ii) Casino, gambling casino, or gaming establishment.--
The terms `casino', `gambling casino', and `gaming
establishment' do not include a grocery store which sells
groceries including such staple foods and which also offers,
or is located within the same building or complex as, casino,
gambling, or gaming activities.
``(iii) Electronic benefit transfer transaction.--The term
`electronic benefit transfer transaction' means the use of a
credit or debit card service, automated teller machine,
point-of-sale terminal, or access to an online system for the
withdrawal of funds or the processing of a payment for
merchandise or a service.''.
(b) Penalty.--Section 409(a) of the Social Security Act (42
U.S.C. 609(a)) is amended by adding at the end the following
new paragraph:
``(16) Penalty for failure to enforce spending policies.--
``(A) In general.--If, within 2 years after the date of the
enactment of the WIN for Children and Families Act, any State
has not reported to the Secretary on such State's
implementation of the policies and practices required by
section 408(a)(12), or the Secretary determines, based on the
information provided in State reports, that any State has not
implemented and maintained such policies and practices, the
Secretary shall reduce, by an amount equal to 5 percent of
the State family assistance grant, the grant payable to such
State under section 403(a)(1) for--
``(i) the fiscal year immediately succeeding the year in
which such 2-year period ends; and
``(ii) each succeeding fiscal year in which the State does
not demonstrate that such State has implemented and
maintained such policies and practices.
``(B) Reduction of applicable penalty.--The Secretary may
reduce the amount of the reduction required under
subparagraph (A) based on the degree of noncompliance of the
State.
``(C) State not responsible for individual violations.--
Fraudulent activity by any individual in an attempt to
circumvent the policies and practices required by section
408(a)(12) shall not trigger a State penalty under
subparagraph (A).''.
(c) Conforming Amendment.--Section 409(c)(4) of the Social
Security Act (42 U.S.C. 609(c)(4)) is amended by striking
``or (13)'' and inserting ``(13), or (16)''.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from
Louisiana (Mr. Boustany) and the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Doggett)
each will control 20 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Louisiana.
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General Leave
Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members
have 5 legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks and
to include extraneous material on the subject of the bill under
consideration.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Louisiana?
There was no objection.
Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
I rise today, Madam Speaker, in support of H.R. 3567, a bill to
ensure taxpayer dollars in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families
program are used as intended, and that is to provide support for low-
income families and children and to help them move from welfare to
work.
The TANF program was created in 1996, replacing the prior welfare
program with one focused on work, providing short-term help, child
care, and other work supports to get people back on their feet and
earning a paycheck. In the years following, TANF was lauded as one of
the most effective reforms in our social welfare system in American
history. Employment rates of those on welfare surged, caseloads
plummeted, child poverty rates fell, and taxpayers were confident they
were actually helping poor families, knowing that they were providing
them with a hand up and not a handout.
Unfortunately, Madam Speaker, an issue has arisen in TANF that is
eroding public confidence in the program. This is the issue of TANF
funds, money meant to help poor children and their families, being
accessed and used in liquor stores, strip clubs, and casinos. What
started less than 2 years ago as research by one reporter in Los
Angeles has grown into dozens of investigations across the country,
with each new investigation adding to the story of how millions of
dollars in TANF funds have been accessed in these locations.
Let me just mention some of what has been uncovered:
An Arizona investigation found welfare funds were accessed in liquor
stores over 100 times in just 3 months;
A California reporter uncovered that welfare recipients cashed out
over $4.8 million in TANF funds in casinos over a 3-year period;
A Colorado news organization found cash was being withdrawn in strip
clubs, casinos, and liquor stores, despite a State law on the books
prohibiting such transactions;
An investigative report in Georgia revealed $150,000 in TANF money
was withdrawn in liquor stores, bars, and nightclubs;
KING 5 News in Seattle found 13,000 TANF recipients who had
collectively withdrawn approximately $2 million from casinos in 2010.
Madam Speaker, this is unacceptable. This is unacceptable to the
American people.
When the L.A. Times revealed their shocking statistics on the
millions in welfare that had been accessed in casinos, liquor stores,
and strip clubs, the Governor of California took action to block these
transactions immediately. Washington and New Mexico have prohibited
access to welfare benefits in casinos. Texas prohibits the use of
welfare benefit cards in liquor stores and casinos as well.
The legislation before us today would ensure that taxpayer dollars in
the TANF program are being used as intended, and that is to assist poor
families with their basic needs and to support them in their efforts to
become self-sufficient. Under this bill, States would be required to
block welfare benefit card transactions in casinos, liquor stores, and
strip clubs and would be penalized if they do not implement such
policies within 2 years of this bill becoming law.
This bill will also help restore the public's trust in the integrity
of the program while ensuring families across the country continue to
receive the assistance they need to move from government dependence to
independence.
The bill we're considering today simply consists of one of the TANF
provisions in H.R. 3659, the Welfare Integrity and Data Improvement Act
that
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was unanimously passed in the House in December. A provision closing
what has been called the ``strip club loophole'' was also included in
the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act that also passed the
House in December and is now in conference with the Senate.
With the exception of several technical changes suggested by the
Department of Health and Human Services, it is also identical to
bipartisan legislation introduced in the Senate last year by Senator
Hatch and cosponsored by Senator Baucus, the ranking member and
chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, respectively. I thank them
for their hard work on this bill as well.
Passing this bill today will send three clear messages:
First, the House is serious about this bipartisan, bicameral reform
becoming law, ensuring welfare funds are spent on families and children
as intended;
Second, conferees on the yearlong payroll tax, UI and TANF extenders
bill, should include this bipartisan provision in their conference
agreement;
Third, if those conference discussions break down, the Senate will be
able to join us in quickly passing this important bipartisan reform and
getting it to the President's desk.
I urge all my colleagues to support this important legislation.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. DOGGETT. I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Madam Speaker, I'm against fraud. I think everyone here is against
it. I'm for what's in this bill. That's why I voted for it back in
December, and I'll vote for it next month, too, if that will make for
more cooperation here in the House. I think, in a way, this is this
election year's ``welfare Cadillac.'' And I was against welfare
Cadillacs, if there ever were any of those, too.
This year, we have the ``strip club loophole'' that has been defined
as a political term to suggest that we have a lot of problems with poor
people abusing their benefits. And to the extent that any poor person
abuses even a dollar of these benefits and keeps those benefits out of
the mouths of hungry children, providing the clothes those kids need to
go to school, I'm against that, and I plan to vote against it today.
I favor comprehensive legislation against fraud in public assistance.
It concerns me when a pharmaceutical company ends up having to settle
for $158 million in my home State of Texas because they allegedly lied
about drug safety and bribed officials. It concerns me when a
pharmaceutical company in the State of Texas has an $84 million
Medicaid fraud case brought against it. I think we need to be concerned
about fraud in all of its aspects.
I'd feel better about this bill, however--because I think repassing
it will accomplish practically nothing, I'd feel much better about this
legislative effort if there were just an ounce of the concern that is
voiced about the very few people who abuse these benefits, if the same
level of concern were expressed about the many who are there who are
counting on the safety net, as flawed and frayed as it is, who were
concerned about them and their families and their struggle to share in
the American Dream and were doing something to get that approved.
Yes, we approved this piece of legislation as part of a broader
extension of the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program in
December. And why hasn't that become law?
It is separate legislation pending in the Senate. It is also part of
the broader legislation extending the provisions on unemployment, on
payroll tax relief. It ought to become law because we need to be
concerned about those families that are playing by the rules as well as
the very few who are not playing by the rules.
Now, the gentleman has said that in some States action has already
been taken--California, notably--to deal with the few who might be
cashing their benefits at a casino or a liquor store or whatever.
Texas, my home State, was cited as one of those States that has already
taken action. I think that's great. There's not anything to keep the
States from taking action on this already, if this is a serious
problem.
Now, some of them have not acted, not because of a lack of concern
about fraud but because the mechanics of correcting these electronic
benefit cards may actually be more expensive than the cost that is
being experienced by the small number of people that might abuse the
card.
You take Arizona, for example. Governor Brewer has plenty of time to
shake her finger in the face of the President of the United States, to
support legislation to discriminate against Hispanic families, who have
been in that State for longer than she and her family have been in the
State. If she thinks this is a serious problem, why doesn't she act at
the State level, as Texas and California and some other States have
done, to address this problem?
I would submit, while I don't object to this legislation in and of
itself, that the bigger problem that we face is that the number of poor
American families has surged over the last 4 years, up 27 percent. Ten
million people are below what is officially agreed on as being the
poverty line. And this Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program
provides a few of those families a little bit of assistance, to have a
chance to turn their lives around until they can find longer term
employment to provide for their families.
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How much money are we talking about that might be abused or wasted at
one of these facilities, which might just happen to be the maintenance
crew at the casino that use their benefits there. Or it might just
happen to be the only store convenient in a poor neighborhood is one
that's mostly selling alcoholic beverages, that they choose to do that.
How much might they be abusing?
Let me tell you in my home State of Texas the median benefit for a
single parent with two children is $244 for an entire month to take
care of those two children, 16 percent of the poverty level.
I want to be concerned, yes, about a dollar that is wasted. These are
hard-earned tax dollars that go into these programs. We need to be
concerned about every cent of abuse. But we also need to be concerned
about the many who stand to benefit, who stand to have hope taken away
if they don't see these benefits extended.
My concern about that is not merely academic because of what happened
last year, the bipartisan agreement that had extended through many
years called the supplemental program, which was really a survival
program for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families in poorer States
like Texas. The Republicans chose to discontinue that program even
though it had enjoyed bipartisan support and had received support
letters from a number of Republican officials in our area. They chose
to not continue that, and that has severely weakened the safety net in
our State. That's not being continued.
Whether they intend to abandon the entire Temporary Assistance for
Needy Families program or cut it back substantially, it's hard to tell,
given the fact that they're going only with the very modest provisions
of this bill and not pushing to provide assistance to all of those who
need that help.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, I am very pleased to yield such time as
he may consume to the distinguished chairman of the Subcommittee on
Human Resources on the House Ways and Means Committee, the gentleman
Geoff Davis from the great State of Kentucky, the author of the TANF
reauthorization, who cares deeply about the integrity of this program.
Mr. DAVIS of Kentucky. Madam Speaker, I would like to take a moment
before speaking on this measure to respond to the gentleman's remark,
my friend, the distinguished gentleman from Texas and ranking member on
the subcommittee.
We've worked very hard over the last year on the issue of data
standardization, correcting flaws in the system, got the first data
standardization language in the history of the country, an act that
would begin to address issues like this. I beg to respectfully disagree
with the position that the ranking member took on this, talking about
the idea of convenience with the casino or adult establishments.
As somebody who grew up in interesting circumstances and has done a
lot of volunteer work over the last 30 years with folks with
challenges, the
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first question that I would ask if somebody is in need of assistance
is, what in the world are they doing using a card to get cash inside of
a casino. I'm not impugning anybody's integrity, but as somebody who
can look across the river from where I live where there are several
casinos, there are more than enough establishments, and I think the
deeper question that we have to address is how our funds are going to
be used when we help those who are in need. There are legitimate needs
that these people have, and we've got to make sure that this program is
tight, that it has the integrity to function so that every dollar is
going to meeting those basic needs. I think it's a very small thing to
bring this type of integrity to the program.
I rise in support of H.R. 3567, the Welfare Integrity Now for
Children and Families Act of 2011, introduced by my close friend from
Louisiana, Congressman Charles Boustany.
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF, is a program that
provides support for low-income families and children that helps them
to move from welfare to work. It was a successful reform since it
replaced the New Deal-era welfare programs in 1996, and TANF has been
successful at cutting welfare dependence by 57 percent.
Are there opportunities to improve the program, to strengthen the
program? Absolutely. There are a variety of issues and core processes
that need to be addressed to bring more private sector practices into
the management and administration of the program, like the data
standardization that I talked about earlier, to allow us to understand
how funds are being used and how better to serve those who are being
helped by providing information to those on the front line.
Even more importantly, though, by promoting work among single
parents, who are the most common welfare recipients, it helps
significantly reduce child poverty in female-headed families over time.
Even at today's elevated unemployment rates, TANF continues to promote
more work and earnings and less poverty.
Despite this overall progress, TANF can and should be strengthened.
Recently, concern has been raised about TANF benefits being withdrawn
and used at strip clubs, liquor stores, and casinos. This is
inappropriate as a use of taxpayer dollars and an outright abuse of
taxpayer trust. Indeed, as my colleague from Louisiana highlighted,
many local news investigations and exposes have verified this
unfortunate abuse of a well-intended program.
One of the most shocking reports to me was from King 5 News in
Seattle, Washington. They discovered through an investigation that
13,000 TANF recipients withdrew approximately $2 million at casinos
just in 2010.
I think it's very reasonable from an oversight position to ask the
question, why are they in the casino in the first place? The use of
these dollars can't possibly be meeting basic grocery needs and things
like that in an establishment like that or any other type of adult
establishment.
Luckily, some States like Washington, New Mexico, and Texas have
begun to take action on a local basis, but I believe this is one issue
that we need to address at the Federal level, at the core, first by
stopping this problem as a symptom and then dealing with the deeper
systemic and process issues that we can establish through data
standardization and simple controls so these cards will not even work
in such an establishment.
H.R. 3567 would close the so-called ``strip club'' loophole within 2
years of enactment. The States would be required to block welfare
benefit card transactions in casinos, liquor stores, and strip clubs.
In plain language, welfare benefits could no longer be accessed at any
of these facilities.
The same provision was included in H.R. 3630, the Middle Class Tax
Relief and Job Creation Act, as well as H.R. 3659, a standalone TANF
extension bill introduced by Congressman Erik Paulsen, both of which
passed the House in December. This bipartisan, bicameral program
integrity provision will safeguard taxpayer funds from abuse and ensure
that TANF benefits will continue to provide a helping hand to families
that are in need.
I urge my colleagues to support H.R. 3567.
Mr. DOGGETT. Madam Speaker, I commend the gentleman for his service
as our subcommittee chair and on the data issue that will be important
in reducing any kind of abuse of public assistance.
I now yield 2 minutes to my colleague from the Budget Committee and
someone who's very knowledgeable about this, Ms. Moore from Wisconsin.
Ms. MOORE. Madam Speaker, I rise in strident opposition to the
underlying bill. I think that it's fairly cynical in these tough
economic times when half of all Americans are either in poverty or at
the precipice of poverty the Republicans want to impose even more
barriers on families trying to access much-needed benefits.
I really don't think that this bill adds to self-sufficiency of
families but rather is just more mean-spirited berating of low-income
people who are eligible for these benefits, much like the mythical
welfare queen or even the food stamp President.
This bill that includes the provision that blocks EBT cards from
being used at liquor stores, strip clubs, and casinos, the proponents
of this argue that there is no reason to use EBT cards in places like
this. But I say it is an issue of universal access. I mean, if you want
to stop to buy gas for your automobile and you live in Nevada and you
work at one of the clubs or hotels, or you're living in a food desert
in Chicago where the closest ATM is a liquor store, what stops people
from going to Whole Foods and using the ATM card there and then going
to a casino? It is just another effort to berate those people who are
in the lower class.
My colleague has already mentioned the additional burden that this
imposes on States and financial institutions who will have to
reconfigure thousands of ATMs.
My friends on the right side love to use the term ``class warfare.''
And they love to say that we're just trying to pick on the 1 percent of
this country.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. DOGGETT. I yield the gentlelady 1 additional minute.
Ms. MOORE. But I say who's really working for the least of these?
Instead of hindering the American people, we need to be helping them,
to provide greater access. Instead of passing these unproductive,
symbolic, mean-spirited pieces of legislation, we need to create jobs
and opportunities. I hope that the American people, Madam Speaker, can
see the difference.
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Mr. BOUSTANY. I want to thank the gentlewoman for raising the concern
about ensuring that TANF recipients have adequate access to their
benefits in a variety of locations. That's a very important
consideration.
This bill requires States to block access to welfare benefits in
casinos, liquor stores, and strip clubs. However, we know some grocery
stores, convenience stores, and local markets may sell groceries but
also sell alcohol and that some States may have gambling machines there
as well. Because of this, the bill allows States to make accommodations
for such stores so that they would not have to block transactions in
places that sell groceries but that also sell alcohol. If a grocery
store happens to have a gaming machine or if it's located in the same
building or complex as a casino, there are provisions made in this.
So I thank the gentlewoman for raising this issue, but I'm glad that
we can ensure the integrity of this program. I would submit the most
important thing we can do is to ensure the integrity of the program so
that it is there for the children and families that need it. Yet we
want to ensure that there is not an overt abuse of these funds in strip
clubs, casinos, and liquor stores while allowing for reasonable
exceptions.
Also, I thank the gentlelady and the ranking member from Texas for
raising the concern as to the issue of implementation cost, and I want
to address that as well.
Some States have expressed that we have a loophole that could
potentially be too costly or too difficult to close. However, I want to
point out that these difficulties have been overstated. Washington
State said the same thing when it was told $2 million in TANF funds
were being withdrawn in casinos in 1 year.
Madam Speaker, I submit for the Record an article from KING 5 News in
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Seattle, Washington, that speaks directly to this issue. It talks about
the surprising number of TANF withdrawals in casinos in the State, and
it reports the State said the same things that we're hearing today in
that it may be hard to close this loophole or that it would be too
expensive to stop.
This article goes on to read:
``It turns out the fix wasn't difficult or expensive. For the Iron
Horse Casino, it took about 4 minutes on the phone. Kealy,'' the casino
owner, ``says, in minutes and at no cost, his ATM vendor blocked EBT
cards . . . Kealy and many other casino owners didn't wait for orders
from the State. They already reprogrammed their ATMs . . . He's a board
member of the Washington Restaurant Association, which he says is
preparing to ask bars and taverns--businesses that are more alcohol
than food oriented--to block EBT access to their cash machines. Kealy
says that would mean another 2,000 ATMs couldn't be accessed for
welfare cash benefits.''
So I appreciate the concerns about the cost, but I believe closing
this loophole simply won't be as difficult as some are making it out to
be.
[From KING5.com, Sept. 23, 2010]
More Businesses May Pull Plug on Welfare Cash Cards
(By Chris Ingalls)
Many casinos in the state have taken steps to cut off the
flow of cash to welfare recipients. This follows a KING 5
Investigation that showed millions of tax dollars being
dispensed through casino cash machines.
Now we've learned thousands more ATMs could be blocked at
other businesses where welfare dollars may not belong. Bars
and taverns in Washington may follow the lead of casinos,
which have already started reprogramming their ATMs so they
won't dispense cash from EBT cards that are distributed to
welfare recipients.
State records show the two ATMs at the Iron Horse Casino in
Auburn dispensed $780 in welfare in the month of July alone.
``Whew! It's unbelievable,'' said Iron Horse customer Louie
Vaccaro. ``We have so many problems in this state. To hear
something like that is mind boggling.''
``I was surprised by that,'' says the casino's owner Chris
Kealy. ``I did not know those cards could be used at these
machines.''
Kealy saw our stories last week that showed more than $2
million in welfare cash withdrawn from ATMs in and around
casinos in the last year. Initially the Department of Social
and Health Services, DSHS, said putting a stop to those
questionable withdrawals might be too difficult or costly.
``If we find that this is a small incidence that's
happening, it might not justify the expense that it would try
to prevent that activity,'' said Deputy DSHS secretary Troy
Hutson in a story we aired last week.
It turns out the fix wasn't difficult or expensive. For the
Iron Horse Casino, it took about four minutes on the phone.
Kealy says in minutes, and at no cost, his ATM vendor blocked
EBT cards--debit-type cards which DSHS uses to distribute
cash benefits to 68,000 of the state's most needy residents.
Organizations representing both tribal and non-tribal
gambling establishments in Washington pledged their full
support when DSHS's secretary made an announcement two days
after KING 5 Investigation aired.
``I want to shut down every ATM in gambling establishments
that has EBT access,'' said Susan N. Dreyfus.
Kealy and many other casino owners didn't wait for orders
from the state. They already re-programmed their ATMs. And
Kealy isn't stopping with his own casino. He's a board member
of the Washington Restaurant Association, which he says is
preparing to ask bars and taverns--businesses that are more
alcohol than food oriented--to block EBT access to their cash
machines. Kealy says that would mean another 2,000 ATMs
couldn't be accessed for welfare cash benefits.
``The taxes you are paying are supposed to help fund basic
needs, human services,'' Kealy says. ``We're all in this
together. I'm supportive of that. But I'm not supportive of
those dollars being used in facilities like this.''
Gambling is one of the few restrictions on the use of
welfare cash. It is illegal. Welfare cheats can still get
their money at other ATMs, but casinos hope to stack the deck
against them and send the message that welfare dollars aren't
welcome on gaming floors.
Madam Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. DOGGETT. I yield myself 30 seconds to place into the Record a
letter from the National Conference of State Legislatures as well as a
letter from the American Public Human Services Association and the
National Association of State TANF Administrators.
The gentleman may be right. He clearly lacks confidence in States'
rights in these areas. The letter from the National Conference of State
Legislatures points out that there is a financial burden that would be
imposed on the States and that ``the States have existing contracts
with vendors that may have to be changed at a significant cost to the
States.'' Let us hope that does not happen.
They come out firmly in opposition to this bill. I do not share that
opposition, but I think they raise a legitimate concern about the added
cost as well as the lack of confidence of my Republican colleagues in
the ability of the States to police their own programs.
National Conference of
State Legislatures,
January 30, 2012.
Hon. John Boehner,
Speaker of the House,
Washington, DC.
Hon. Nancy Pelosi,
Minority Leader,
Washington, DC.
Dear Speaker Boehner and Minority Leader Pelosi: On behalf
of the National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL), we
write in opposition to H.R. 3567, the ``Welfare Integrity for
Children and Families Act of 2011,'' which is scheduled for a
vote on the Floor under Suspension of the Rules on Wednesday,
February 1. States share your concern about the inappropriate
use of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)
benefits; however, NCSL strongly believes that these
decisions are appropriately made at the state level.
When Welfare Reform was enacted in 1996 (P.L. 104-193),
state and federal policymakers agreed to forgo the open-ended
entitlement of AFDC for the flexibility afforded in the fixed
TANF block grant. In this agreement, policy decision making
authority was left up to the states including state
legislatures. Mandating states to limit Electronic Benefit
Transfer (EBT) transactions preempts state authority over the
TANF block grant and undermines the strong state-federal
partnership undertaken in 1996. Additionally, NCSL is
concerned about the financial burden this mandate would
impose on states, many of whose fiscal situation is still
perilous. States have existing contracts with EBT vendors
that might need to be changed at significant cost to the
state if this bill becomes law.
States are addressing the issues raised in H.R. 3567. To
date, California and Washington have limited the use of EBT
cards and addressed the complex implementation process of
limiting EBT card usage. Many additional states are looking
at similar EBT limitations and other ways to combat fraud and
abuse in their current sessions.
If you have any questions regarding what states are doing
to address the concerns of H.R. 3567 or to discuss the bill,
please do not hesitate to contact Sheri Steisel
([email protected]) or Emily Wengrovius
([email protected]).
Sincerely,
The Honorable Tom Hansen,
South Dakota Senate, Chair NCSL Human Services & Welfare
Committee.
The Honorable Barbara W. Ballard,
Kansas House of Representatives, Chair NCSL Human Services
& Welfare Committee.
____
American Public Human Services Association and National
Association of State TANF Administrators,
Washington, DC, December 12, 2011.
Hon. Max Baucus,
Senator, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Hon. David Camp,
Representative,
Washington, DC.
Hon. Lloyd Doggett,
Representative,
Washington, DC.
Hon. Orrin G. Hatch,
Senator, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Hon. Geoffrey Davis,
Representative,
Washington, DC.
Hon. Sander M. Levin,
Representative,
Washington, DC.
Dear Senator Baucus, Senator Hatch, Representative Camp,
Representative Levin, Representative Davis, and
Representative Doggett: We are writing today to share our
comments on provisions included in the Middle Class Tax
Relief and Job Creation Act of 2011.
The American Public Human Services Association (APHSA) and
the National Association of State TANF Administrators (NASTA)
represent the state health and human services commissioners
and the state TANF administrators, respectively. Both APHSA
and its TANF affiliate, NASTA, appreciate the need for a fair
and flexible block grant program that also ensures
accountability for the use of precious federal funds.
Therefore, on behalf of the state health and human service
commissioners and the state TANF administrators, we would
like to thank you for including proposed legislation that
would guarantee funding security for state TANF programs for
the remainder of
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the federal fiscal year. This is greatly appreciated as
states continue to work with families dealing with the
impacts of the recession. APHSA is also encouraged to see
continued interest in improving the interoperability of data
systems by establishing uniform, nonproprietary data
elements. However, there is one provision of this language
that our members find troubling.
Our members are concerned about the proposed mandate
(Section 2304) included in this bill which would require
states to develop and implement policies and procedures for
state EBT cards, blocking their use at casinos, liquor stores
and strip clubs. We believe that, at this moment, there is
not enough known about the issue of potential EBT card abuse
at these establishments to justify a federal mandate such as
the one being proposed; furthermore, if a need does indeed
exist for such legislation, we believe that it would be more
appropriate for the issue to be addressed in a more thorough
five-year reauthorization of the TANF program.
Currently, the Government Accountability Office is
conducting an audit of ten states to determine what policies
and practices are already in place to track and prohibit the
use of EBT cards in specific circumstances or at certain
venues. While some states have moved forward with
implementation of policy that bars the use of EBT cards at
certain types of businesses, not every state has seen the
implementation of such a policy necessary, desirable, or
cost-effective.
While blocking access to EBT cards at specific ATMs might
be possible with existing technology, it is neither easy nor
free of cost for the state. Most states do not have access to
ATM addresses, only numeric codes. Shutting down ATMs
requires considerable time (including on-site visits) to
determine which codes are connected to ATMs in questionable
locations, followed by constant monitoring to ensure that
they remain inactive. Additionally, at this point it seems
certain that some states will have more difficulty than
others implementing this mandate due to differences in
vendors or how their benefits system is set up. Finally, it
is important to note that blocking ATM and/or POS device
access at these locations will not prevent someone who is
determined to patronize these businesses from making a
withdrawal at a bank and spending that cash to purchase goods
anywhere he or she wants.
APHSA and NASTA have cooperated fully with GAO in its work
and we are very much looking forward to the results of the
report. That being said, we hope that Congress appreciates
that the passage of any legislation mandating policy changes,
such as the one proposed in the Middle Class Tax Relief and
Job Creation Act, ought to happen only after GAO completes
the work commissioned by Congress. The results of the GAO
study will provide the necessary information to help
determine how states have addressed this issue already and
whether or not this is indeed an issue that requires new
statutory language.
Again, the state commissioners and the state TANF
administrators appreciate the stability provided by this bill
for FY 2012 and look forward to the opportunity to discuss
the TANF program, as well as the larger issue of integrated
human services administration, in the year to come as
Congress prepares for a thorough reauthorization of the TANF
block grant. If you have any questions please contact Ron
Smith or Robert Ek.
Sincerely,
Tracy L. Wareing,
Executive Director, APHSA.
Paul Lefkowitz,
Chair, NASTA.
With that, Madam Speaker, I would yield 2 minutes to a former member
of the House Ways and Means Committee, who is very familiar with these
issues, and I hope a soon-to-return member of the House Ways and Means
Committee, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Davis).
Mr. DAVIS of Illinois. I thank the chairman very much for yielding.
As I listen to the debate and the discussion and as I listen to my
colleague from Wisconsin talk about universal access, I am reminded of
something that I read relative to the period of not just dissent but a
takeover of Germany. I remember something that a rabbi said: They came
for the Communists. I was not a Communist. They came for the
Socialists. I was not a Socialist. Then they came for me, and nobody
was left.
It seems to me that, when we go after those individuals who are the
most vulnerable people in our society and when we categorize and
stereotype and make believe that if they get a card that they're going
to be at the casino and that they're going to be at the strip joint,
well, I can tell you that the people I know who get cards as TANF
recipients are not usually found at a casino, and they're not found at
a strip joint. As a matter of fact, if I thought that this legislation
would provide one iota--one scintilla--of help for TANF recipients, I
would be the first in line to support it. The reality is I don't
believe it provides any help and that it does not provide any
assistance, and I will certainly not be voting for it.
All lawmakers agree that we should limit waste, fraud and abuse of
taxpayer dollars. We all agree that government assistance should be
used for basic necessities, such as shelter and food. Unfortunately,
the Republican bill is not a good faith effort to limit waste, fraud
and abuse; in contrast, it fans the flames of prejudice with
stereotypes portraying our Nation's poor as abusing government support.
Simply put, this bill is a stereotype to rally the cry of the right
wing that the poor in our country do not deserve government help.
Rather than proposing programs to spur the economy or get Americans
working, this Republican leadership simply takes cheap political shots.
There is no evidence of rampant abuse of federal assistance to fuel
lewd and lascivious lifestyles. In the state of California that
represents one third of the Nation's TANF caseload, over a 3 year
period, only .04 percent of Electronic Benefit Transactions occurred at
gaming establishments and only .001 percent at adult entertainment
establishments. In Florida, over a two year period, only .03 percent of
Electronic Benefit Transactions occurred at stores with liquor licenses
and .06 percent at casinos or pari-mutuel betting locations. This is
not widespread fraud and abuse, as the Republican bill will have you
believe.
This bill is a false solution in search of a non-existent problem
that serves to portray the poor as undeserving and fraudulent. The TANF
extension is under consideration within the Payroll Tax Extension
Conference. So, why is this provision on the Floor of the House this
week moving separately? Solely to denigrate the poor and impugn their
character to make the poor appear undeserving of government assistance.
If the Republican Leadership was serious about trying to address any
potential fraud, they would have addressed this issue systematically in
the context of reauthorization.
If the Republican Leadership was truly serious about addressing
misuse of TANF dollars, they could have required States to detail how
they are protecting against abuse while simultaneously ensuring that
the state's response does not deny TANF recipients access to adequate
access points and while ensuring that TANF recipients have Electronic
Benefit access with minimal fees and surcharges.
If the Republican Leadership was truly serious about addressing
possible misuse of TANF dollars effectively, they would have addressed
the States' concerns about inability to regulate these transactions and
the costly burden such government over-regulation would inflict.
Indeed, the American Public Human Services Association and the National
Association of State TANF Administrators have raised concern about
whether there is truly a need for such legislation and about the costs
of such policies.
If the Republican Leadership was truly serious about the use of TANF
cards at certain establishments, they would have considered why low-
income people may need to use ATMs located in these venues--mainly lack
of access to a financial institution. In Illinois, an estimated 304,000
households have access to no bank, with an additional 773,000
households having only limited access to financial institutions. This
is true in rural and urban areas. So, rather than trying to understand
why a small percentage of low-income people use TANF cards in adult
locations, the Republican Leadership declares, asserts, and decries
these citizens are de-frauding the government.
I--along with all my colleagues--staunchly oppose waste, fraud and
abuse of government dollars. However, the purpose of this bill is not
to curb abuse; simply put, H.R. 3567 seeks to discredit the poor.
Rather than suggesting ways to help the unemployed access well-paying
jobs, rather than advancing ways to cut taxes for the middle-class,
rather than proposing ways to help our elderly maintain affordable
health care, and rather than identifying ways to stop using taxpayer
dollars to subsidize billions of dollars in profits of the oil industry
or the private airplanes and tax shelters of the ultra-wealthy, the
Republican Leadership again targets the poor--characterizing them as
cheats and frauds.
Unfortunately, I know that this smear campaign against Americans who
are struggling will continue. I am sure we will soon see bills
denigrating the unemployed, those needing food stamps, the homeless,
people who have historically struggled with substance abuse, and people
who have gone to jail and are trying to get their lives back on track.
Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, I am pleased to yield such time as he
may consume to the chairman of the Human Resources Subcommittee, Mr.
Davis.
Mr. DAVIS of Kentucky. I do feel compelled to respond since Martin
Niemoller--the famous German Christian pastor who was quoted after
World War II when talking about inaction--was dealing with the issue of
the Holocaust, the scale of which was so unbelievably beyond the pale
of a small technical fix
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that we're talking about here that, I believe, the gentleman diminished
the value of whatever argument he was making by even quoting him.
If I seem to recall my history correctly when I was running a
business in 1996, during the welfare debate, Martin Niemoller was
resurrected from the dead again, using the same quote that somehow, if
we just touch anything that will provide integrity to our programs with
which we want to help the poor, that, in fact, this is the march down
the slippery slope to the complete takeover and removal of civil
rights.
Come on, folks. This is a technical business discussion. If we were
running a business together--and I believe the government should be run
that way--I think we'd be sitting around a table in the operations room
while planning ways to legitimately cut costs to more efficiently help
our customers and to eliminate waste.
In using the gentleman's own argument that he brought up, this is the
question again: If the vast majority--and I happen to agree with him--
don't go in those places in the first place, why would we not want to
put in a simple program control for that small percentage that does to
prevent them from wasting taxpayer dollars?
From the casinos that we have across the river, from some of the
economic hardship that comes from that and from my constituents who
have families who have been damaged by this, I know, in walking inside
any number of the casinos on the Ohio River, that I'm not seeing
grocery stores, that I'm not seeing provisions for food. What I'm
seeing are ATMs and access to free chips and for gambling--not to eat.
I think this begs the deeper question: To the average man or woman on
the street, if we ask the question ``Is it reasonable?'' absolutely.
I want to bring us back to the central point here as to what this
does. First is the idea that it costs too much, and I'll speak for my
other life as a systems professional. The gentleman from Louisiana
rightly pointed out that the fixing of the system is actually an easy
thing to do, and we will find ready participation and cooperation from
those who are involved because they understand the stakes in this. The
goal of their businesses is not a further recycling of poverty. The
goal of their businesses is to make sure, to some degree, that money is
not used in a manner that reflects poor stewardship. I think,
ultimately, this is a backstop to assure that money that belongs to the
United States taxpayer that's being given to them as assistance is
going to be used in a proper manner.
At the end of the day, that refutes the baseline of these arguments--
again, going back to the great success that our staffs have had and
that the gentleman from Texas and I have had over the course of the
last year to really begin to move serious, nonpartisan process reforms
that will help to fix deficiencies in the system which are not Democrat
or Republican at their root but are addressing real questions of broken
processes.
If we were sitting there among ourselves in a business together that
we were running or if we were sitting with our families and if we
noticed that there were an issue, hey, we could put a stop to that and
we could fix that. Why don't we do the same thing here? It's not an
unreasonable request to look at that.
Again, some of the speakers are not on our subcommittee, and I think
we've had great success in keeping the tone of the debate focused on
the core process problems, not on extremely energetic and emotional
rhetoric that really doesn't address this root issue. That would be my
request as we move forward. This is a good fix. It is a cheap way to
save taxpayer money to legitimately help those in need.
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Mr. DOGGETT. I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from California
(Ms. Waters).
Ms. WATERS. Madam Speaker and Members, I came to the floor to address
this issue. Despite the fact that I understand that it's kind of a good
political issue in an election year where many people will use this to
say I'm saving the government money and I'm keeping those folks on
welfare who don't deserve government support anyway from using this
money or this EBT card to have access in ways that will allow them to
be in and take advantage of casinos and strip joints, et cetera, and
it's a very sexy argument and it looks good and you'll get a lot of
play off of it, so I understand that coming to the floor to protect the
poor and the most vulnerable is not popular, but think about it, just
think about it.
Many of you come from districts where there are liquor stores. These
are small businesses, and most of these liquor stores now serve more
other products than they do liquor. They have milk; they have juice;
they have bread; they have meats. They have the kinds of things that
many of these poor families need and they buy at liquor stores.
Why do they buy them at liquor stores? Because they're in these food
deserts that you have heard the First Lady talk about, areas all over
this country, whether it is rural or whether it is urban, where they
don't have grocery stores. They don't have the big chains. All they
have are these small business that are liquor stores who carry all of
the products that a family could use to feed their family, not just
liquor.
And so I would ask you to take a real close look at this and at least
exclude the liquor stores. These small businesses are very important
all over this country. Yes, they sell liquor. Many of us don't like the
idea that even in some of these places there are problems, but the
folks who go there don't have to buy liquor. If there are problems at
any of these liquor stores, local law enforcement should do its job.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. DOGGETT. I yield the gentlelady 1 additional minute.
Ms. WATERS. And so when you include liquor stores, all you're doing
is attacking some small businesses who are providing foodstuffs--not
just liquor, but foodstuffs; not only in inner cities, but in rural
communities--that families need. So this is punishment, this is being
very harsh on the most vulnerable people in our society to include
liquor stores in this group of stores that you would not like to have
the welfare recipients use.
Again, I could go along with strip joints; I could go along with
casinos. But as I travel across the country, I cannot go along with
excluding liquor stores from being able to provide food that's needed
to these poor families that live in these food deserts where there are
no grocery stores, no chains, no other place for them. And when they
have transportation problems, it really does wreak havoc on them trying
to get even to a place where they could buy food.
So if you would understand that and work to try to make sure that
this doesn't stay in here, I would appreciate it.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has again
expired.
Mr. DOGGETT. I yield the gentlelady an additional 30 seconds.
Mr. STARK. Would the gentlewoman yield?
Ms. WATERS. I yield to the gentleman from California.
Mr. STARK. Isn't it true that in most of the liquor stores and other
establishments of that type they charge no fees for cashing the checks
because they want people to get the cash to gamble? In many of our
districts in California they don't have to go to these payday loan
places and pay exorbitant fees to get a check cashed and so that it
really, in many ways, it is helpful in our communities.
Ms. WATERS. It is very helpful. With the liquor stores, they help to
stimulate the economy. They sell all of these foodstuffs. They hire a
few people. Some families have three and four family members.
So, yes, I would ask that you exclude liquor stores from this
consideration.
Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
I thought I made it clear, and I think Chairman Davis did also,
earlier, that there are provisions to allow for exceptions as long as
the facility serves food. We're talking about stores that purely sell
liquor. So I think the gentlelady's concerns are addressed with the
bill as written.
Furthermore, I would just say that on this side of the aisle, we care
very deeply about this program. There's
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broad agreement it's a valuable program. It's worked.
If you care about children and you care about needy families in this
country, then you should care about ensuring the integrity of the
program and making sure that the dollars that taxpayers put forth for
these needy families, these needy children, actually go to those
families and not buying liquor and patronizing strip clubs and going to
casinos.
That's what this bill intends to address. That's what it does
address. It creates the proper flexibilities for the concern that the
gentlelady has and others on the other side of the aisle have about
access. If food is sold, access will not be denied.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. DOGGETT. Well, I couldn't agree with the gentleman more about the
importance of preserving, in his words, ``the integrity of this
program.'' That means that none of the public funds are wasted or used
in an improper way, but it also means that the program's integrity is
preserved to deliver the assistance that is needed for the many, many
families that are playing by the rules and need a helping hand. And
that's the only area we have difference in this regard as far as I
personally am concerned.
The House has already spoken on this electronic benefits issue. I
don't see any harm in the House speaking again this week or next week
or next month--I don't see a great deal of gain from repassing it, but
why not? But what I do see harm in is if the many, many people that are
playing by the rules and need this assistance see their safety net
shredded the way these same folks shredded the safety net last year
when they did not renew the bipartisan TANF supplemental program that
has been so important in poor States with large populations of poor
people, like Texas.
There are families there, there are State programs there that are
harmed by the unjustified refusal to extend that program. At least with
what's left in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program,
which we passed here as a freestanding bill in December with this
provision in it, let's pass that entire bill. Hopefully, this message
says little more than say that the House still feels today the same way
that it felt 6 weeks ago.
That's fine, but let's get this entire Temporary Assistance for Needy
Families program approved and in place so the States and the families
that depend upon it will have it there.
I yield 30 seconds to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Waters).
Ms. WATERS. There's some confusion about what is excluded or
included. As I understand it, a liquor store that just sells just juice
or milk would not be considered a store that sells food.
Is that correct? Is that your understanding?
I yield to the gentleman from Louisiana.
Mr. BOUSTANY. If food products are sold at a store?
Ms. WATERS. Milk.
Mr. BOUSTANY. If any type of food product, including milk, is sold at
a store, States can except those from the provisions in this bill.
Ms. WATERS. Reclaiming my time, that is not my understanding, and I
would hope we could work together.
Mr. BOUSTANY. Would the gentlewoman yield?
Ms. WATERS. I yield to the gentleman from Louisiana.
Mr. BOUSTANY. The definition is staple foods, which include milk.
Ms. WATERS. Milk is included in the bill.
Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, I would ask if the gentleman has yielded
back all of his time?
Mr. DOGGETT. I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. BOUSTANY. I am pleased to yield the remaining time to the
gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Davis), the chairman of the subcommittee,
a gentleman who has diligently worked in good faith with the ranking
member to reauthorize a TANF program with integrity that ensures that
children and needy families get the assistance that they need.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Kentucky is recognized
for the balance of the time which is 3 minutes.
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Mr. DAVIS of Kentucky. Madam Speaker, again I remind all of my
colleagues that when we talk about such matters, it's helpful to focus
on tone. The one thing I'm going to respond to, when the comment was
made ``that you people shredded,'' I would have to remind all Members
in the Chamber and the Speaker that, in fact, that was passed in a
Democratic House when the Speaker was Ms. Pelosi and the leader of the
Senate was Senator Reid.
We have worked in good faith through this process. And what I would
remind folks about the fundamental question as we look at this, the
real issue here--and I grew up in a dysfunctional family. I know what
it means to see dysfunctional alcoholism with a stepfather leaving and
spending the money in places that were inappropriate; and I think it's
a fair question, as someone who has lived that as a little boy, to say,
wait a minute, if Dad wants to run off with the EBT card and go to one
of the boats over in Indiana, we as a body have a responsibility,
Democrat and Republican, who care very deeply for this country and for
our citizens, to say wait a minute, that's not an appropriate use.
The businesses themselves will cooperate. There's a contextual issue
to allow the States to deal with the specific uniqueness of providers
of foodstuffs. But at the same time, I think that if an EBT card is
being used in a place that may have a drink rack inside of it and pole
dancers on the other end, that is not, under any standard of morality,
a place where the EBT card should be used.
I can think of no mother who would want the money spent there. I can
think of no circumstance that would justify it. And, frankly, having my
own stepfather come home drunk and beat up me and my mother after
running around out in town with what money she basically earned, I
would say in this case it's unacceptable.
Let's come back to the real world, and I'm not going to yield my
time. Let's come back to the real world and look at the reality of
this. What is being asked is a procedural and a process change to give
better stewardship to a program on which we agree about the
fundamentals, specifically, the data standardization and control.
There's virtually no cost to this.
I understand we have honest differences of opinion here; but I would
appreciate that the rhetoric be toned down and we focus on the reality
of this. If we ask any mom or dad or recipient or taxpayer out on the
street this fundamental question, I think overwhelmingly, when they
heard it in the context of reality and not sometimes the things that
happen in the Chamber here, they would look at it from a different
perspective. That's what we're asking.
With that, I ask all Members to support this very reasonable, very
measured, very balanced way to fix a flaw in a program that can be made
better as a result of that, be better stewards of our taxpayer dollars.
And with that, I urge passage.
Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
This bill closes a loophole that, if left uncorrected, would continue
to allow millions in welfare funds to be distributed in liquor stores,
casinos, and strip clubs.
Now that this issue has been highlighted by news organizations across
the country, we must stop this abuse of taxpayer funds and ensure this
money is used as it should be--to help poor children and families make
ends meet.
A number of States have already closed this loophole, but this bill
will help restore the public's confidence in the program and ensure
that States work together to end this abuse once and for all.
I strongly encourage my colleagues to support this measure, as they
have done previously, so that we can ensure taxpayer dollars are used
as they should be.
Ms. LEE of California. Madam Speaker, as the Co-Founder of the
Congressional Out of Poverty Caucus, I rise in strong opposition to
this shameful bill, H.R. 3567.
This is a distasteful and misleading bill that tries to make it seem
like every American in poverty is somehow immoral or criminal.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The vast majority of TANF
recipients want nothing more than a good job to support their families
and build a bridge to reach their American Dream.
Now, no one wants TANF dollars to be spent in casinos or in adult
entertainment venues, but this bill does nothing to actually
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prevent that. Shutting down ATM's in those locations doesn't stop the
money being spent there. In addition, this bill would force states to
certify nearly every small business as a non-liquor store and how are
the standards to be established and maintained?
This bill would create an entire nation wide bureaucracy to address a
problem that affects less than 4 one hundredths of one percent (.04%)
of all TANF funds and would completely fail to save any money at all.
Instead of passing a jobs bill, Republicans are once again just
looking to distract from the real issues, this time by attacking
American families in need.
This bill is just a sad attempt to divide our nation by mimicking the
Ronald Reagan myth about the Cadillac driving welfare queen. It was
untrue then and it is still untrue today.
As a single mother who once relied on food stamps and assistance to
get by during a very difficult period in my life, I am appalled to see
Republican politicians attack struggling American families just because
they need a helping hand. TANF benefits keep children in homes and in
school. TANF benefits keep American families from suffering abject
poverty.
What we should be doing is helping these families reignite their
American Dreams, not making blanket accusations against every low
income family in America.
Mr. PAULSEN. Madam Speaker, thank you and thank you Dr. Boustany for
introducing this legislation.
I rise today as a co-sponsor of H.R. 3567, the Welfare Integrity Now
for Children and Families Act because at a time when millions of
Americans are still out of work, and our economy is struggling to
recover, we must take every step available to safeguard taxpayer
dollars.
Madam Speaker, between January of 2007 and June of 2010 nearly $5
million in state-issued benefits were withdrawn from ATMs in California
casinos alone.
We need to correct this problem, and H.R. 3567 does just that.
This provision requires all states to take steps to end this abusive
practice, safeguarding taxpayer funds from abuse by ensuring that
welfare funds are not accessed in strip clubs, liquor stores, and
casinos--a practice which has been highlighted in news stories across
the country.
This bill ensures all states take action to close this loophole. I
note that this policy is the same as that introduced by Senators Hatch
and Baucus, the Ranking Member and Chairman, respectively, of the
Senate Finance Committee, so it has strong support in the other body as
well.
Let's continue the momentum, pass this legislation, and prove to the
American people that we are here to get things done in 2012.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the
gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. Boustany) that the House suspend the
rules and pass the bill, H.R. 3567, as amended.
The question was taken.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. In the opinion of the Chair, two-thirds
being in the affirmative, the ayes have it.
Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX, further
proceedings on this question will be postponed.
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