[Congressional Record Volume 158, Number 15 (Tuesday, January 31, 2012)]
[House]
[Pages H207-H213]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




                 REGULATIONS STIFLING AMERICAN ECONOMY

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 5, 2011, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Carter) is recognized 
for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
  Mr. CARTER. Mr. Speaker, that was an interesting conversation we just 
heard. I was very impressed by that. And I agree, we need to expand 
infrastructure. Everything that was said there is important.
  You know, I've been talking on the floor of the House about 
regulations recently; and as I listened to my Democratic colleagues 
talk about infrastructure, I was reminded that we have a bunch of new 
regulations on cement that are going to drive our cement industry out 
of the country. It's going to be a little tough to build bridges 
without cement. We have moratoriums on oil and gas. Asphalt is made 
with oil, so we need to think out these projects as we go forward.
  Today I'm going to talk about some regulations, and I'm very grateful 
to be joined by numerous of my colleagues; and we are going to be 
talking about some new regulations that are going to attempt to be 
imposed upon an industry that is struggling and will, quite honestly, 
be a setback, in my opinion.
  I'm going to start off by recognizing Mr. Guinta and letting him tell 
us his comments on the subject of the new 54-mile-per-gallon rules that 
are being proposed for our automobiles.
  Mr. GUINTA. I thank the gentleman from Texas, and I thank you for 
your hard work in trying to protect small job creators, not just in 
your State but all across the country, in your proposal and amendments 
and legislation to try to address what I think is an unjust, 
overregulated approach to negatively affecting not just the auto 
industry but also the consumer.
  Earlier last year, the EPA and California regulators, of course under 
the guidance and direction of President Obama and his White House, 
proposed the most expansive regulations ever on the auto industry. 
Estimates suggest that the cost will be $157 billion. This is at a 
time, I remind you, when we have a debt and deficit of about $16 
trillion and $1.3 trillion to $1.5 trillion, respectively. This is not 
a time when this administration should impose greater oversight, 
greater regulatory challenges to job creators in America.
  I want to remind those who are listening, as I take a look at an 
article written in The Wall Street Journal back in September of last 
year, September 14, it talks specifically about this piece of 
legislation and how new cars and light trucks would have to increase 
their fuel economy to 54.5 miles a gallon. And the White House 
officials actually commented in that article. They commented that the 
proposed fuel efficiency target could raise average vehicle prices by 
about $3,000. This administration acknowledges that their 
overregulation will increase the cost of an average vehicle by $3,000.
  Now, if you think about that, when an individual goes to purchase or 
lease a vehicle, they sometimes use a 3-year window, maybe a few more 
months, 39 months, and I find it interesting that we are about to 
extend the payroll tax for the balance of the year, which would give 
the average American $1,000 back in their pocket. And the Obama 
administration would like to take that $1,000 from the consumer pocket 
and put it back into the coffers of the Treasury.
  I find that bad public policy, to say the least, not in the direction 
of trying to reduce our debt and deficit and have a pro-growth economy, 
and I think it stifles the auto industry. And most importantly, it 
stifles small business owners across the country.
  I just want to share with you, briefly, statistical information about 
this industry in my State of New Hampshire. We have about 800 different 
businesses within this industry; 25,000 employees in New Hampshire, 
alone, that would be affected by this regulation.
  I'm concerned about the job loss around the country. I'm concerned 
about small business owners having access to capital, being able to 
continue to survive through this down economy. And I'm concerned about 
those employees who work for those job creators, our friends and our 
neighbors. They're not Democrats or Republicans or Independents. 
They're Americans, and they're demanding that this Congress stop the 
regulatory oversight from President Obama and his administration and 
the EPA. We are trying to do that on behalf of the American public. I 
think it is a smart way for us to give back to not just the consumer 
but the job creators who we so desperately rely on for a pro-growth 
economy.
  The final point that I would like to make is that, in addition to the 
$3,200 estimated increase in the cost of the vehicle acknowledged by 
the President and his White House, this regulation would also 
essentially take the $15,000 vehicle out of existence. We would not be 
able to, as consumers, access an affordable vehicle for ourselves or 
for anybody who's purchasing a vehicle, for that matter. The very 
middle class that our friends on the other side of

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the aisle talk about preserving and protecting are being targeted by 
this regulation.

  It's time that the country hears more about how this administration 
chooses to take money from one entity and give it to another. They're 
taking money from hardworking Americans and putting it in the coffers 
of the Treasury so they can expand the size and scope of government.
  The people of New Hampshire have had enough. They've sent me here to 
fight for those middle class families, those hardworking job creators 
who in New Hampshire provide 25,000 jobs in this industry. And I will 
continue to work with you and anybody else in this body who shares the 
opinion of enough with regulation. Let the free market work. Let the 
consumer win for a change.
  I thank you for yielding to me and, again, I look forward to working 
with you on future legislation that you seek to address on the floor of 
this House.
  Mr. CARTER. I thank you, and I agree with absolutely everything 
you've said. I think it's a real eye-opener to realize that we sit here 
and we have a State of the Union address where the middle class was 
referenced, I don't know, a dozen times probably, how it is all about 
the middle class and how we are going to do things for the middle 
class. I guess we can start off by saying that the first thing we are 
going to do is raise the price of a car for you by $3,200, not because 
we have to, not because it fits our plan of coming up with fuel 
standards, which we had in place before the EPA in California 
interfered, no. We're going to do it now even though it was supposed to 
be 3 years from now that we start looking at these standards, and we're 
going to take $3,200 out of your pocket when you buy that first car. 
That doesn't seem to be looking out for the middle class.
  I think this House ought to be looking out for the middle class. I 
think they ought to be looking out for the buyer. I think we ought to 
realize that in a time when we have an industry which we had to pour 
literally billions and billions and billions of dollars in to save--and 
we've done it. We've got it, at least we hope, back on its feet--and 
then all of a sudden we impose standards upon that industry which, 
quite honestly, will probably harm them, you raise the price of your 
product $3,200 that you weren't expecting to raise, you're not ready 
for that kind of problem.

                              {time}  2010

  Finally, and most importantly for Texans, the pickup truck capital of 
the world, I'm told this will eliminate SUVs and pickup trucks. And 
them's fightin' words where we come from. So that's the other thing 
that we ought to be concerned about. The lifestyle of Americans is 
going to be changed by requiring standards that some certain vehicles, 
quite honestly the engineers tell us, just can't get there. We're not 
thinking these things out. We're too busy. There's too many people 
around this town that are too busy trying to get the government in 
control of your entire life that they're not thinking out what they're 
doing. Thank you for your comments.
  My co-partner of sorts from Ohio (Mr. Austria) is here. He and I have 
been in this battle a good while, and we have done some stuff on the 
Appropriations Committee to raise this issue. We've got folks who came 
here ahead of you, but we're kind of co-chairing this thing, so you can 
make an opening if you would like, Steve.
  Mr. AUSTRIA. I thank the gentleman from Texas for yielding, and I 
thank Congressman Carter for his hard work and commitment with this 
very important issue, in addressing this very important issue that 
directly impacts hardworking Americans. Judge Carter and I have worked 
on an amendment together in committee to try to stop these duplicate 
government tasks that are going on right now. And I think you've done a 
good job in articulating the importance of having that amendment.
  I can tell you, Judge, I fly home every weekend to Ohio, back to my 
district, number one, to be home with my family, but also to be out in 
the district and get what I call my reality check, to talk to the 
hardworking Ohioans, the small businessowners and farmers. And like 
many other Members of Congress, I do town halls, and I attend different 
events and meetings.
  What I do hear from those hardworking families and those small 
businesses is that, number one, we have got to stop this out-of-control 
spending. And part of that includes wasting hard-earned taxpayers' 
dollars because of duplicate services that are going on with different 
agencies in the government; and, number two, we've got to get 
government out of the way. We've got to stop these unnecessary, 
burdensome regulations that are hurting small businesses and that are 
killing jobs.
  Back in 1975, Congress, this body, tasked NHTSA, the National Highway 
Transit Service Authority, under the Department of Transportation, that 
agency, with the task of setting those standards. And those standards 
were called the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards, or the CAFE 
standards. And they were enacted, again, in 1975 with accountability 
and transparency with Congress to gradually and responsibly increase 
the fuel economy in America. And they've been reinforced and raised by 
Congress repeatedly, as recently as 2007.
  And what we saw shortly after this administration came in was that 
EPA expanded its authority to start setting its own standards. And then 
they expanded it even further allowing California to create its own 
State standards. And what's happened here is we've created duplicate 
services, wasting taxpayers' hard-earned dollars creating the most 
expensive regulations ever. You get three different agencies sometimes 
setting different standards, creating uncertainty in the auto industry, 
and raising the cost of vehicles for hardworking families to pay for 
this, hurting our small businesses and killing jobs.
  Last year, we saw the EPA, again without authorization from Congress, 
propose rules to regulate the fuel economy of cars and light trucks for 
model years 2017 to 2025. This is last year, in 2011 they're doing 
this. They increased the required average fuel economy over 54 miles 
per gallon. Because the EPA is not accountable to Congress for this, 
because they don't have any substantive guidance on how to create these 
regulations and they don't have to follow the same rules that were put 
in place, they're not required to take into account factors like job 
losses. We're going through one of the most difficult economies we've 
seen in decades. Unemployment is at one of the highest levels it's 
been, and they don't have to include job losses or consumer demand or 
safety. It became very apparent to myself and many of our colleagues 
that these regulations are out of touch with the American people. 
They're out of line with Main Street, USA, with small businesses that 
are the backbone of this economy. And in some cases, they're 
irresponsible.
  I was proud to join you last July in offering an amendment during our 
full committee consideration of the Interior, Environment and Related 
Agencies bill that simply just put a 1-year time-out on the EPA's 
rulemaking process so that Congress and our constituents could have 
time to determine what's the most responsible path here to move 
forward. And the amendment also prevented the EPA from granting 
permission to California to create their own regulations, State 
regulations, that would lead to an impossible patchwork of State laws. 
So what this could lead to is, think about this, if you have an 
activist State, they could actually hijack Federal policy with 
regulations they're putting in place.
  Our amendment was included in the Interior appropriations bill. It 
was reported out of committee. I joined you again in October, Judge 
Carter, in sending a letter to the committee, along with 64 of our 
colleagues, bipartisan support on this, encouraging that this amendment 
be included as part of the final appropriations package that passed 
last year.
  Unfortunately, this administration and their allies in the Senate, 
the Democrat majority, blocked this commonsense amendment, leaving the 
EPA with the authority to go out and continue to move forward with this 
harmful and ill-conceived rule.
  I think the facts are, and you pointed this out, number one, it's the 
most expensive regulation ever on the auto industry, $210 billion in 
new regulations. It's going to raise the average cost of a

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vehicle for a hardworking family by roughly $3,200. It's going to 
regulate cheaper vehicles that are under $15,000 pretty much out of 
existence. And the EPA has already wasted over $24 million creating 
these duplicate regulations.
  This is out of control what's happening right now. It's a waste of 
the taxpayers' dollars. And we have to, at some point, understand 
what's happening here. We're accountable for the taxpayers' dollars. We 
have to ensure that the way things are being done are being done 
properly. The EPA, again, has already spent 24 million, as I mentioned, 
on these duplicate services with the largest budget deficit in history. 
Congress and the administration should focus on eliminating the 
duplicate government programs and protecting the taxpayers' dollars. 
The redundant regulations of the fuel economy by the EPA is simply just 
a magnitude of the government waste that we're seeing today.
  With that, Judge Carter, I appreciate, again, your leadership on this 
very important issue. I know we have a lot of Members here to speak on 
this.
  Mr. CARTER. I would now like to have you hear from my colleague from 
Virginia, Scott Rigell, who has been waiting to talk. I learned in a 
conversation before we started here tonight he's been in the car, the 
automobile business, and so he brings a good perspective to this 
conversation.
  Mr. RIGELL. I thank the gentleman for yielding and bringing this to 
our attention. It's a critical matter facing our country. It has a 
direct impact on job creation, and I regret the way it's headed. That 
impact is adverse. And so we rise tonight, I believe all of us do, in 
defense of the folks who would be most directly impacted by it, the 
folks who are producing our cars, the folks who are selling and 
servicing our cars and the related industries.
  I come to this body, and I know we all do, regardless of political 
affiliation, with the idea that we are first Americans. And I always 
try to find where do we agree. I start out tonight thinking we surely 
agree that it's a good idea for fuel economy standards and performance 
to increase over time. We share that with our colleagues on the other 
side. Yet that is also regrettably the point of demarcation because 
there is a sharp contrast, I believe, between where the administration 
is headed with this.
  This is yet a third level of regulation on an industry that is 
already highly regulated. The Department of Transportation, the State 
of California itself, and now, and I believe unwisely so, the 
administration is allowing, in fact, encouraging the EPA to inject 
itself into this. There are multiple flaws in this path that I believe 
the administration is on through the EPA.

                              {time}  2020

  I just want to touch on one, Judge. Because as you noted, I've had 
the privilege of being in this great industry for a long time. Since I 
was about the age of 23, I've had the privilege of being a retail 
automobile dealer for about 21 of those years, and through our 
organizations had the great pleasure of retailing over 100,000 
automobiles in our market and have spent a tremendous amount of time on 
the sales floor.
  You know, we know this instinctively, that as the price increases, 
demand will drop. Now, this may be, I think, some noteworthy news to 
some who are in the regulatory business here, but an additional $30 a 
month, I've seen it oftentimes, it becomes the stopping point for 
families, and rightfully so. As they try to live within a budget, $30 a 
month--$1 dollar a day you could say--that is in and of itself enough 
for a family to make a different purchasing decision. The math is 
pretty easy. With over a $3,000 increase in a vehicle over 60 months--I 
think my math is pretty good here--it would be at least $50, not to 
include interest, on a monthly basis. So on the margin we would see in 
dealerships across this country decisions to not buy cars. The higher 
the price, the fewer the buyers.
  Now, that which seems so obvious to us--let me read from the 
regulation itself here. The administration's proposed regulation 
states: ``Since the impact of this proposal on sales is unknown and 
sales have the largest potential effect on employment''--here's the 
point of note--``the impact of this proposal on employment is also 
unknown.'' Judge, I'd submit to you tonight, well, the EPA and the 
Obama administration may not understand the impact of these regulations 
on employment, but I do. I think the American people do. Sales go down, 
employment follows. The only thing that increases is the pain, real 
pain and suffering, of American families on the margin. Some employers 
have to tighten up, some manufacturers have to tighten up because of 
the decreased demand.
  So Judge, I stand with you tonight. I applaud your leadership in this 
matter. And I hope that the EPA will reconsider--in fact, come to a 
full stop and allow the CAFE standards that have been in place since 
2007 to guide us going forward. They're doing a good job. Manufacturers 
are improving in their fuel economy standards. It's a wise course of 
action to stay where we are. And I thank you again for your leadership.
  Mr. CARTER. Reclaiming my time, and thanking my colleague for his 
comments--you know, we're talking this whole year of how we're going to 
get this economy back on its feet, how we're going to put people back 
to work, how we're going to make our decisions make sense to put people 
to work and make our economy grow. And I'm concerned, where we already 
have the NHTSA--or whatever it's called--setting these standards, we 
had CAFE standards established--gosh, that's 8 years ago--with a plan 
to study on down the road, looking at the economic consequences and the 
job consequences, as well as the environmental consequences. And the 
EPA chose to make a decision based solely on their global warming view 
of the world and not take into effect the job--in fact, they say in 
their statement, we don't even know what the job consequences are going 
to be, and we don't know what the economic consequences are going to 
be. And we don't know if you can sell a car, $3,200, but we're passing 
this regulation anyway. That's not the kind of decisions we ought to be 
making around this place. So I really thank you for raising those 
economic points, Scott. It helps a lot.
  The next person I believe was here, Alan Nunnelee was the next one. I 
yield to my good friend from Mississippi.
  Mr. NUNNELEE. Thank you, Mr. Carter, for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, I have to confess, when Judge Carter started talking 
about Texans loving their pickup trucks and the EPA coming to take our 
pickup trucks away, that got my attention. Because the judge would know 
that while Texans love their pickup trucks, the only reason that you 
love them more is because there's more Texans than there are 
Mississippians. I love my truck as well, and I don't want anybody to 
come get it.
  The EPA, California regulators, and the Obama White House have 
combined forces to show how far the left will go. They'll use any means 
at their disposal to ram through its liberal agenda. I'm convinced that 
this administration is driven by a radical environmental agenda, and 
that this environmental agenda will use the threat of allowing 
California to impose its own set of regulations as a way to strong-arm 
auto manufacturers into going along with the new and unnecessary fuel 
economy standards. As has already been described here tonight, Mr. 
Speaker, this action would drive up the cost of a vehicle by an average 
of $3,200.
  Now, my concern is that young family in Mississippi that's trying to 
make it on their own, that needs to go out and purchase a new vehicle. 
For that young family, $3,200 is a lot of money. My concern is the 
senior citizen that needs to go out and purchase a new vehicle, and 
they're trying to make ends meet on a limited income. For that senior 
citizen, $3,200 is a lot of money.
  Also, my concern is for those manufacturing workers in Mississippi 
that are making vehicles tonight. And when the cost of those vehicles 
goes up by $3,200, common sense says there's going to be less demand. 
And we've got automobile manufacturers and their suppliers that are a 
vital part of Mississippi's economy.
  Now, Congress has granted sole authority to regulate fuel economy to 
the Department of Transportation. And all this proposal is is a 
backdoor attempt to implement cap-and-trade. But there's even a larger 
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larger issue is about a President and the ideology he represents being 
obsessed with expanding Washington's control over every facet of our 
life. They've dictated what kind of light bulbs we use. Now they're 
trying to say what kind of vehicles we drive, what kind of health 
insurance we purchase, whether you can be forced to provide medical 
services that even violate your religious beliefs. Their attitude is 
that regulators know more about what families need than individuals.
  Mr. Speaker, it's time to stand up. It's time to say no more. When 
they're coming for my pickup truck, the answer is ``no.''

  Mr. CARTER. I would now like to recognize my good friend, Steve 
Pearce from New Mexico, Texas' good neighbor to the west.
  Mr. PEARCE. I thank the gentleman for yielding, and thanks for his 
leadership on this work.
  To adequately assess exactly what the effects are going to be of 
increasing the CAFE standards from 35 to 54 miles per gallon requires 
that we take a look at the increase that we had just in 2007, the 
increase that moved us to 35 miles per gallon. We had testimony that 
declared that at least one auto manufacturer would go out of business, 
would file bankruptcy if that law was actually implemented. That was 
because we do not have the technical capability to enforce and to build 
the vehicles that would take us to 35 miles per gallon. In order to 
reach that objective then, the auto manufacturers were going to have to 
arbitrarily price their lower mileage vehicles--they raise the price on 
them to drive demand down. That is, they'd sell fewer. It's not that 
we're actually increasing the mileage; it's that we're selling fewer of 
the larger vehicles, vehicles like pickup trucks that are used in the 
oil field, on ranching operations. So we wanted to depress down the 
demand for them while simultaneously adding stimulus to the lower cost 
vehicles. Now, the problem with that for a business is that the profits 
are made from those vehicles that are like pickup trucks and the SUVs.
  So this government was in the process of mandating that the 
manufacturers would build fewer of the high-profit vehicles and more of 
the low-profit vehicles. That's the only way they could comply with the 
government standards. And it was therefore going to decrease profits 
enough to put at least one of the manufacturers into bankruptcy. As it 
turned out, two of the three manufacturers in America filed for 
bankruptcy, two of the three.

                              {time}  2030

  The taxpayers went in and had to bail them out.
  When the President in his State of the Union last week talked about 
not bailing out companies, he spoke out of the other side of his mouth 
later in the speech by saying that the company we bailed out in General 
Motors was such a great success. It is not a great success when 
taxpayers have to subsidize the processes declared by the U.S. 
Government. If that is what happened when we moved the mileage from 20 
to 35 miles per gallon, imagine the distress in the auto industry when 
we move it to 54.
  The Prius does not even qualify. It does not reach 54 miles per 
gallon. The Toyota Yaris only gets 38 miles per gallon. The technology 
does not exist. The same geniuses in the White House that brought us 
Cash for Clunkers, are now going to bring us 54-mile-per-gallon 
requirements for fuel standards.
  The reason that the United States economy is faltering and suffering 
is because of what is happening by government agencies. The unfairness 
for the lower-class people in this country is ghastly.
  The President stood on this floor last week and talked about fairness 
to everyone, economic fairness. Let the President hear his own words. 
He made fun of one of his agencies that declared milk to be a hazardous 
substance. He made fun of the regulation which got so much attention 
that it was rolled back. Let the President make fun of this regulation, 
because it is going to kill the car manufacturers. They cannot make 
cars that go 54 miles to the gallon.
  For those who say just make the rule, and they will develop it, I 
simply say let's pay our EPA workers, all of those involved in this 
process, let's simply start paying them with General Motors' stock. Let 
them find out in their own lives exactly what the value of their 
opinions and their designs are.
  The final problem with the implementation of this rule is the 
constitutionality. Our Founding Fathers set up a system of checks and 
balances. The President would sign legislation. The Senate and the 
House would pass the legislation, but they had to pass exactly the same 
bill. No one House, no one branch could dominate the others. What the 
President is doing is taking his beliefs, his agendas outside that set 
up by the Founding Fathers that would guarantee voters would have 
input. He is moving it into extraterritorial agencies that have no 
controls by the taxpayers and no controls by the voters.
  The President should be ashamed of what he is suggesting. The 
President is causing our Constitution to be set on a shelf. The 
Constitution is here not for the rich; the Constitution is here for the 
poor. The Constitution is that which gives the poor standing in this 
country. The rich can always have their way; the powerful can always 
get their way; but the Constitution defends and protects the poor. When 
the President crassly sets aside the Constitution, he is working 
against the fairness economically and the fairness constitutionally of 
this Nation towards 99 percent of its inhabitants.
  I think that it is time for this Congress and this House to stand up 
and tell the President no more, you will bypass the Constitution no 
more. We need to mean business, and we need to back our words up with 
actions.
  I thank my friend from Texas.
  Mr. CARTER. I thank my friend from New Mexico for a very strong 
statement.
  I want to recognize Mr. Roscoe Bartlett, my friend from Maryland. He 
wants to get up here with some of his own charts, and I'm going to step 
aside and let him do it.
  Mr. BARTLETT. Thank you very much for yielding.
  I sat and listened to this discussion, and I am reminded of how 
futile efforts are to try to get something done by doing it wrong two 
different ways.
  The President believes that we need higher CAFE standards, and he is 
going to impose those through regulations from the EPA. He is also 
assuming that the American people don't have the sense to understand 
that they need to have higher CAFE standards, so he is going to force 
them on them. Without trying to educate the American people, he is just 
going to tell them you need to trust me, you need higher CAFE 
standards, and this is what it is going to be. What the President is 
doing is illegal and ill-logical, and I don't think that the American 
people are going to stand for it.
  I just have a couple of charts here that put in context why we need 
to look at CAFE standards. If the President would use this approach, 
the American people would do the right thing relative to the kind of 
car they buy when they understand the environment that the United 
States and the world is in.
  Here I have two charts and they are from the IEA, the International 
Energy Association. This is a creature of the OECD. It is perhaps, 
maybe along with our Energy Information Administration, a part of our 
Department of Energy, the best followers and prognosticators of energy 
in the world. This is their world-energy outlook.
  This one is in 2008. I just want to point to a couple of things here. 
First of all, the oil that we are now pumping--and you could go back 
here 150 years with this blue thing here. It started back at zero, and 
it pumped more and more and more and more. Here we are today pumping 
this much oil. These are the conventional oil fields that we are 
pumping oil from now. We are also getting some natural gas liquids, and 
you see that curve is growing and growing. This is not gas in your gas 
tank. This is propane and butane and gases like that.
  The green here is nonconventional oil. We are having a lot of 
discussion of nonconventional oil now about the Keystone pipeline and 
bringing the oil from the tar sands of Alberta, Canada. We are going to 
build a pipeline. It is either going to be in this country, or it is 
going to be across Canada through the Rocky Mountains. If the 
environmentalists are worried about environmental impact, they ought to 
be thinking about what is going to happen to

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the environment when they put a pipeline through the Rocky Mountains.
  Either we're going to get that cheap oil, or the Chinese are going to 
get that cheap oil. They're going to have a pipeline. We're not going 
to avoid a pipeline. There's going to be a pipeline.

  I just think that commonsense comes down on the side of, gee, I would 
like that oil, I would like the jobs that go with getting that oil. And 
I am concerned about the environment, but there is going to be a 
pipeline. That is a given. It is either going to be here, or it is 
going to be in Canada. I think it is going to be more of an 
environmental insult going through the Rocky Mountains than down 
through the Mississippi Valley with that pipeline.
  That green area is nonconventional oil, and that is increasing. It 
will increase. You see it is not a big fraction of what we get. Notice 
that we have been stagnated here for 5 years now at 84 million barrels. 
We call it oil, but it is more than oil because it is natural gas 
liquids too. The world has not been able to produce any more oil than 
84 million barrels a day, which is why oil is about $100 a barrel and 
we are in a recession, and it is still stuck at about $100 a barrel.
  They prognosticate that the production from current fields is going 
to go down fairly dramatically. You see it dropping off there. Not to 
worry, because we are going to get a lot of oil from the fields that we 
discovered, the light blue here that are too tough to develop. Then we 
are going to get a fair amount of oil from fields we have yet to 
discover, the bright red there. This is kind of a nice dream, isn't it? 
By the way, the dark red here is enhanced oil recovery. It really ought 
to be a part of this. That is putting CO2 down there or live 
steam or something down there to get a little bit more oil out.
  Note that by 2030 they are prognosticating that we are going to be up 
at 106 million barrels of oil a day. This chart has disappeared. If you 
go on the Internet and try to find that chart, it is not there. It was 
there. That's where we got it. They're a little embarrassed by its 
presence because just 2 years later in 2010, they made this 
prognostication, the same people. By 2035, 5 years later, instead of 
having 106 million barrels a day, they are up to only 96 million 
barrels of oil a day.

                              {time}  2040

  Notice they've now incorporated the enhanced oil recovery here with 
conventional oil and notice a fairly precipitous drop-off. Now they're 
telling you that the production of oil is not going to decrease because 
we're going to get huge amounts of oil from the fields that we have now 
discovered that are too tough to develop like under 7,000 feet of water 
and 30,000 feet of rock in the Gulf of Mexico. A lot of discoveries 
like that, and fields yet to be discovered.
  I think there is little probability that these two wedges are going 
to occur. I think what's going to happen is that this curve is going to 
tip over and start down. Let me tell you why I think that's true.
  Because the United States reached its plateau, which is called ``peak 
oil,'' in 1970, and that was predicted in 1956 in what I think was the 
most important speech in the last century, given by M. King Hubbert in 
1956. He says, 14 years from now, in 1970, the United States will reach 
its maximum oil production. After that, it will drop off. It did.
  Now, he didn't predict the discovery of any oil in the Gulf of Mexico 
and in Alaska, and here we see there was a little blip in the slide 
down with the huge amounts of oil we found in Alaska. Remember the 
fabled discoveries of oil in the Gulf of Mexico, the yellow there. 
That's all it did.
  We now produce half the oil that we did in 1970. I do not think the 
world is any more resourceful or creative than the United States. If we 
could not reverse this downtrend in our country, I do not think that 
the world will be able to reverse it worldwide, which is why I say that 
the world is going to follow the United States. By the way, this was 
predicted by M. King Hubbert. He said that the world would be peaking 
about now.
  Your government has paid for four studies that said this is going to 
happen. I quote here from one of those studies. This was the first big 
study. This was the SAIC report called the Hirsch report.
  World oil peaking is going to happen, they said. Peaking is when you 
reach this plateau, and after that, it falls off. They said the peaking 
of oil is going to happen. Oil peaking presents a unique challenge. The 
world has never faced a problem like this.
  I just have one more chart here, and these are some quotes from what 
I think is the most insightful speech of the last century. The most 
important one I think was given by M. King Hubbert on March 6, 1956. 
This speech was given just a bit later, the 15th day of May in 1957, a 
speech given by Hyman Rickover, the creator of our nuclear submarines:
  ``There is nothing man can do to rebuild exhausted fossil fuel 
reserves. They were created by solar energy 500 million years ago and 
took eons to grow to their present volume. In the face of the basic 
fact that fossil fuel reserves are finite, the exact length of time 
these reserves will last is important in only one respect: The longer 
they last, the more time do we have to invent ways of living off of 
renewable or substitute energy sources''--we've been trying to do that, 
haven't we?--``and to adjust our economy to the vast changes which we 
can expect from such a shift.''
  By the way, this talk was given to a group of physicians in St. Paul, 
Minnesota. If you simply Google for ``Rickover energy speech,'' his 
speech will come up. They lost it for several years. It's now back on 
the Internet.
  In another place in this speech he said, in the 8,000-year recorded 
history of man, the age of oil would be but a blip. And, wow, what a 
ride it's been. The quality of life that we have as a result of using 
these fossil fuels has just been incredible.
  Just one last quote from what I think was the most insightful speech 
of the last century. I love this quote:

       Fossil fuels resemble capital in the bank. A prudent and 
     responsible parent will use this capital sparingly in order 
     to pass on to his children as much as possible of his 
     inheritance. A selfish and irresponsible parent will squander 
     it in riotous living and care not one wit how his offspring 
     will fare.

  I think what our President needs to do is educate the American people 
to the situation we're in. If these charts truly represent that 
situation, the American people will voluntarily say, Mr. President, we 
need to respond to that in a responsible way. The President doesn't 
need to assume that you're ignorant and can't understand or assume that 
he has to tell us what we ought to do.
  Mr. CARTER. I would now like to recognize Mr. Manzullo from Illinois, 
who is a champion of starting up the manufacturing again in this 
country. He understands the economy and how it works.
  Mr. MANZULLO. I thank the gentleman from Texas for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, we have something very interesting going on in this 
administration, and it's called ``Who's in Charge?'' At one time, we 
believed that the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency, NHTSA, 
as part of DOT was in charge of regulating the corporate average fuel 
economy standards. In fact, it's always been that way. Well, then, all 
of a sudden the EPA gets involved, gets its nose under the tent and 
decides that, well, because there are emissions that they're going to 
get involved in it. Then along comes the California Air Resources Board 
and says, No. If you live in California, these are the standards.
  So we have the automobile manufacturers taking a look at which agency 
is in control, if any, and what they have to follow, although they have 
been forced to follow the standard that's been set down by the EPA to 
have this amazing 54.5 miles per gallon fuel economy for model years 
beginning in 2017.
  In the district that I'm proud to represent, Chrysler has a plant in 
Belvedere that's going to house the body shop for the new Dodge Dart. I 
saw that automobile at the auto show here in Washington this past week, 
and it's a beauty. It's beautiful. It represents more than a $600 
million investment in the community and workforce in northern Illinois, 
and Chrysler had more than 1,600 production workers at the same 
assembly plant started in July when they had the third shifts. This is 
another signal of the increase in automobile sales that we're seeing in 
this country from the zenith of 17 million that were sold years ago to 
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  But this car starts at $16,000, and with the average price of a 
vehicle to increase by $3,200 and the source of that is the government 
itself, I just don't know what these people are thinking. In fact, if 
you take a look at the EPA rule, that says the estimate is that the 
mandate will cost $157 billion, which always means the number is vastly 
greater. That's a lot of money. That's a huge amount of money. I mean, 
this is classic Obama EPA.
  But you ask yourself, What is the $157 billion for? The great 
scientists, mathematicians, and bureaucrats over at EPA said, well, 
this is the cost that it's going to take in investing in new 
technology. I hear those words, ``investing in new technology,'' as if 
people that don't even know the sweet smell of machine oil who sit in 
offices in Washington, D.C., can sit there with their calculators and 
their green clerks hats and come to an estimate of what it's going to 
cost to increase the technology to come up to that 54.5-mile-per-gallon 
standard.
  We all know government figures are wrong. I mean, $157 billion, 
that's a huge amount of money. I think the total amount of the bailout, 
if anybody was interested in that, was around $15 billion. Now, this is 
10 times the amount.
  You ask yourselves, where is this money coming from? Obviously, if 
manufacturers have to gear up for this major expense, they're not going 
to wait until 2017. They're going to start doing it now. And so the 
increase in prices of automobiles will be directly related to this new 
mandate from the EPA.
  So to the gentleman from Texas, I want to thank you for having the 
courage of speaking out here, and I thank you for the opportunity to 
help explain to the American people of the folly of this latest EPA 
action.
  Mr. CARTER. I thank my friend for his great comments. One of the 
things I like to say about Washington is to show us the common sense, 
and, Mr. Manzullo, I think you made a good, commonsense argument that 
we can understand.
  I'd now like to introduce my friend, Mr. Kelly from Pennsylvania, and 
hear what he has to say on this interesting new challenge the Obama 
administration has given us.

                              {time}  2050

  Mr. KELLY. I thank the gentleman from Texas.
  I come from a family that in 1953 started in the automobile business. 
My father came from being a parts picker in a warehouse for General 
Motors, surviving World War II and then coming back home and starting 
his own dealership in 1953. So, not only can I talk the talk, but I've 
actually walked the walk.
  When we sit back and when we see what this administration is doing, 
while they say on one side they're very concerned with jobs and that 
they're very concerned with the recovery of the automobile industry, 
they propose legislation that will take 7 million buyers out of the 
market. That is a staggering number of cars that we will not be able to 
build. If we can't build them, we don't need folks there in the 
factories. We don't want to mess with the fragile recovery that the 
automobile industry has right now. Again, as I said, in having walked 
that walk and in understanding the cost of these vehicles as they go 
up, it is a terrible thing that this administration is considering. It 
does not surprise me because we are talking about people who have never 
in their lives actually had their own skin in the game. So, when they 
talk about these measures that they're taking, when they talk about all 
these well-intentioned ideas, they forget that the ultimate sacrifice 
made is by the buyers, by the American consumer. We are going to raise 
the average cost of these vehicles by $3,200. As I said earlier, 7 
million prospective buyers will not be in the market. We have jumped 
the standards that we had by 3 years.
  I was there in the early seventies when the CAFE standards came into 
existence. The corporate average fuel economy had nothing to do with 
green energy; it had nothing to do with a carbon footprint. What it had 
to do with was our reliance on foreign oil. We are making great strides 
to that effect. Now, I do know that my friends in the automobile 
manufacturing business have agreed to these new standards. I also know 
that there are so many resets in this new standard that they opted to 
go along with this administration's directions and that they bought 
into this idea knowing that each electric car that they build, which is 
subsidized by $7,500 in taxpayer funds--hardworking American families 
who have paid their taxes will not have the same benefit that people 
buying these electric cars--the metrics on that is $175,000. That is 
their average income.
  Now, who are we appealing to?
  We give the industry a double count on those. That's how they get to 
the 54.5 miles per gallon, and they understand with the resets that 
it's much easier to go along with this administration than to try to 
fight them up front. I will tell you, of my friends in the automobile 
dealer business, who are the folks who go to work every day, who have 
to put bread on the table, in my dealership there are 110 folks who 
come in there every day to solve the transportation needs of the people 
in our community.
  The other side of this is safety. When my wife and my four children 
get in their cars--and keep in mind there are five grandchildren 
involved now--we're going to start asking those folks to start driving 
lighter cars, cars that will not be as safe as the cars we have on the 
road right now. And why? Because we are catering to an administration 
that puts its agenda ahead of the American public's safety.
  So I appreciate what the gentleman from Texas is doing. I understand 
the unintended consequences of this, so it's time for us to blow the 
whistle on an administration that refuses to acquiesce to what the 
public needs and continues to drive its own agenda. I appreciate what 
you've done.
  Mr. CARTER. In reclaiming my time, I'd like to ask the gentleman a 
question because it just dawned on me the economics that you're 
describing here.
  What they're doing now is not saying, Okay, we're going to make a 
Chevrolet pickup or a Ford pickup that gets 54.5 miles per gallon. What 
they're saying is, Yeah, we've still got a Ford pickup or a Chevrolet 
pickup or a Chrysler pickup that gets 18 to 20 miles a gallon. But, 
hey, look at all these electric cars that don't use any gasoline, so we 
get an offset for those.
  You also said the market for these is the rich people, that 1 percent 
that everybody is complaining about. No one is going to be able to 
afford to buy these electric cars. They're the market, and yet that's 
how they get this number down, but it's not real--it's imaginary.
  Mr. KELLY. Yes, absolutely. We talked about that.
  The loopholes in this program are not for the hardworking American 
families that go to work every day to support their kids and their 
families and their well-being. The folks really don't buy these cars to 
drive; they buy them because they can. We are giving people $7,500 in 
Federal loopholes. Then in my State of Pennsylvania, it throws another 
$3,500 towards the purchase of an electric car. Those cars, by the way, 
are 200,000 cars per manufacturer. It's not 200,000 cars in total, but 
200,000 cars per manufacturer. The cost of this and as you see the 
trajectory of this expense, it goes off the charts. The answer is it is 
not going to improve fuel economy. What really drives fuel economy is 
the number of miles you drive each year and the cost of gasoline. Yet 
they start to talk about, No, no. We've got to tell people that they 
can only drive a car that gets 54.5 miles per gallon.
  You know, sir, as well as I do, that that is not the case. We've been 
gamed again. I think there should be an outrage over this with the 
American people now. This is a regulation that does nothing but push an 
agenda and does not push the well-being of the American citizen.
  Mr. CARTER. That is a real eye-opener, and I thank you for explaining 
that. I didn't really get that concept.
  So, in addition to playing games with numbers, the Federal Government 
is subsidizing the playing games with numbers, and then your State also 
subsidizes it. I hope Texas doesn't--but heck, who knows.
  Mr. KELLY. Again, I appreciate the gentleman for bringing this topic 
up. We have to understand that, if we are really going to get this 
economy back on track, it is the people who make

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things--and we talk about making it in America. If we're really trying 
to support the domestic automakers, then you don't raise the price of 
the car by $3,200. With each price increase, we eliminate somebody who 
would have bought a new car. As we eliminate the purchase of new cars, 
we also affect the long-range market for used cars. A new car 
eventually becomes a used car.

  We are eliminating personal transportation in this country by upping 
the bar in a systematic way, and people aren't noticing it. There 
should be an outrage among the hardworking American families of whom 
sometimes Dad works two jobs and Mom works a job--all to put food on 
the table, to educate their children, and to somehow get them from 
where they live to where they need to be, whether it be for their jobs 
or for education or for after-school activities. We are eliminating 
private transportation in this country by upping the price and by 
making it impossible for the average American to own his own car.
  Mr. CARTER. That's shocking.
  I do remember that the car that my wife and I are driving right now 
cost more than our first three-bedroom, two-bath house that we 
purchased when our first two children were born. That's kind of 
shocking as to how all that gamesmanship can drive that price up.
  I did have a person in the transportation business who was telling 
me--and I'm not going to disclose who it was--they do studies on 
selling tickets for the planes. It was the air industry. The ticket 
price is the price at which they know people will fly. They have done 
studies to determine, if they were to add $10, in some instances, to 
that price of the ticket that people will fly, you'd lose like 18 
percent. Add $50, and you could lose half of your flying public. That's 
how much the margin is, and you have the same kind of deal in the 
automobile industry.
  Mr. KELLY. It's all price point and it's all affordability, and it 
comes down to: How much per month does it cost for the average, 
hardworking American family to keep private transportation?
  We are raising the price by $3,200 per car. We are eliminating 7 
million people from having the opportunity to own their own cars, their 
own transportation, which has been the hallmark of this country and 
which has driven this economy for many, many years. It has allowed the 
people to move out of the cities and into the suburbs because they had 
a way to get to work, and they didn't have to rely on public 
transportation.
  In this country, what is very unique is that you can get up in the 
morning, and you can drive to wherever it is you want to go, and you 
can get there by yourself or with your friends; but that's the 
uniqueness and that's the greatness of America, and it has always been. 
It is the one thing that the rest of the world looks at. Private 
transportation is absolutely critical, and we are going to eliminate 
the ability for 7 million Americans to have that opportunity.
  Mr. CARTER. In reclaiming my time, there is an agenda that is being 
sold here.
  In testimony we had before the Appropriations Subcommittee on 
Transportation, which I happen to serve on, we talked to our former 
colleague about this administration's vision of the world it wants us 
to live in. It wants us all to live in high-rise apartments and to take 
public transportation. They will tell you straight out that's the 
future of America--concentrate. There have been at least some in the 
administration who have said the days of the two-story home in the 
suburbs are over.
  I don't know if America knows that. This is a perfect example of part 
of the plan to drive us out of the suburbs and into concentrated 
populations where the only solution is public transportation. Quite 
honestly, where I live, that's not going to be very popular.
  Mr. KELLY. I agree with the gentleman, and I will tell you that I 
join in your fight. This is not only a fight that we must fight; this 
is a battle we must win.

                              {time}  2100

  I will fight with you every step of the way. We cannot continue to 
take a free and self-governing people and tell them not only what foods 
they can eat, what houses they can live in, what light bulb they can 
use, or what car and truck they can drive.
  So I thank you for being a champion of the American people and the 
hard-working Americans that pay for every single thing that this 
government does.
  Mr. CARTER. I thank you, Representative Kelly. I will be glad to have 
you in the fight. You are a man I stand back-to-back with.
  Mr. Speaker, we have been here talking about something that many of 
us realize is a shocking change of our world. It seems a small thing, 
but 54.5 miles per gallon, everyone will tell you the kinds of cars we 
drive in Texas, which is pickup trucks, they can never get there. They 
can't gear and torque to get to that number, 54.5. Therefore, unless 
you pull a scam that was being talked about, every electric car offsets 
the pickup trucks, we're in trouble.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.


                Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Stutzman). Members are reminded to 
refrain from engaging in personalities toward the President.

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