[Congressional Record Volume 157, Number 192 (Wednesday, December 14, 2011)]
[Senate]
[Pages S8584-S8585]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
ECONOMIC POLICY
Mr. CONRAD. Madam President, I wanted to come to the floor to discuss
the question of extending the payroll tax cut, dealing with
unemployment insurance, dealing with compensation for doctors who treat
Medicare patients, and also addressing the question of the alternative
minimum tax and, of course, the other tax extenders as well.
This is a key moment for the country. As I expressed earlier--as
Senator Thune was addressing the body--I personally do not believe the
Keystone Pipeline should hold us back. This is something upon which I
think we could get broad agreement, especially if the language is as
the Senator has represented and as Senator Hoeven has assured me--that
it permits the State of Nebraska to reroute that line so that the
Ogallala aquifer is not in danger. In my judgment, it is entirely in
the national interest to get the Keystone Pipeline advanced. So that
should not be the issue that hangs us up.
As we look at things that are holding back the economy, unemployment
remains far too high, the housing crisis continues, and we have weak
consumer confidence and demand. That really is at the heart of our
ongoing economic weakness. Personal debt is still near record levels.
We have tightened borrowing standards for businesses and consumers. I
hear very often that even good businesses with good track records at
paying back loans can't secure the credit they need to expand. And we
have State and local budget cutbacks that are continuing.
As we look at the private sector jobs picture, there is some good
news because we have now had many months of expansion of private sector
payrolls. In fact, if we go back to 2010, in March of the year, ever
since then we have seen private sector payrolls increasing to the tune
of millions of jobs. So there is progress being made.
When we look at the reason there has been progress, I believe two of
the most distinguished economists in the country gave us a background
to understand why we are seeing this progress after one of the greatest
financial debacles in our country's history. Alan Blinder, the former
Deputy Chairman of the Federal Reserve, and Mark Zandi, who was an
economic adviser to the McCain campaign, did an analysis of the Federal
Government's response to the financial crisis and the recession. Here
is what they found, and they are speaking of TARP and the stimulus:
We find that its effects on real GDP, jobs, and inflation
are huge, and probably averted what could have been called
Great Depression 2.0. When all is said and done, the
financial and fiscal policies will have cost taxpayers a
substantial sum, but not nearly as much as most had feared,
and not nearly as much as if policymakers had not acted at
all. If the comprehensive policy responses saved the economy
from another depression, as we estimate, they were well worth
their cost.
Madam President, we have a debate going on in this country about
economic policy, and our friends on the other side believe that they
have the answer, that they have the prescription. I would just remind
those who might be listening that it was their policy and their
prescription that led this country to the brink of economic collapse.
They controlled the economic policy of this country for 8 years, and
they put in place a series of policies that they said would
dramatically expand job opportunities in this country and strengthen
the economy. But we know what happened.
At the end of 2008, I was in the meeting here in the Capitol with the
Bush administration's Secretary of the Treasury and Chairman of the
Federal Reserve. They told us they were taking over AIG, the big
insurance company, the next morning, and they told us that if they did
not, they believed there would be a financial collapse within days.
Going back to the same tired, failed economic policies that put us in
that position is a mistake--a profound mistake. Hopefully we would
learn from history.
I believe what is needed now is for America to take steps to
strengthen the economy in the short term but to combine that with
fiscal discipline over the mid and longer term so that we can get back
on track and face up to this debt threat.
Two of the more distinguished economists in the country, in addition
to the two I have already cited, have just concluded work for the
Peterson Institute for International Economics. These are the
Reinharts--Dr. Carmen Reinhart and Dr. Vincent Reinhart--and this is
what they concluded following severe financial crises. They found that
economic recoveries are shallower and take much longer. Here is what
they said in their analysis:
Real per capita GDP growth rates are significantly lower
during the decade following severe financial crises. In the
10-year window following severe financial crises,
unemployment rates are significantly higher than in the
decade that preceded the crisis. The decade of relative
prosperity prior to the fall was importantly fueled by an
expansion in credit and rising leverage that spans about 10
years; it is followed by a lengthy period of retrenchment
that most often only begins after the crisis and lasts almost
as long as the credit surge.
What they are reporting to us, after looking at a long period of
economic history and dozens of countries, is that after a financial
crisis, recovery takes much longer than is typical from a standard
recession.
We now have a bill that was sent over from the House that I believe
has serious defects. I believe that bill is a nonstarter.
First of all, the House leaders included extraneous provisions making
it a partisan bill. President Obama has said he will veto it. Even the
Senate GOP won't vote on it. So we have the curious circumstance where
we have a bill sent to us by the House of Representatives, controlled
by the Republican Party, and the Republican Party in the Senate won't
permit a vote on the Republican bill. One might ask, why would that be?
Perhaps the reason is they know there aren't many votes for it in this
Chamber, just as there weren't many votes for it when it was previously
offered on this side.
So more than just extending the payroll tax cut is at stake. We also
need to extend unemployment insurance, and we need to fix the cut that
is about to happen to doctors who treat Medicare patients. That is the
so-called doc fix. We need a compromise, not just partisanship, from
both sides. Both sides need to find a way to come together.
I have tried to indicate on this side a willingness to cross the
partisan divide with respect to the Keystone Pipeline. Some on the
other side have said that is important for their support for this
legislation. I have said--at least speaking for me--that I am prepared
to support the Keystone Pipeline because I do believe it is in the
national interest.
As we look at the effect of allowing the expiring payroll tax cut to
die, this is what Goldman Sachs said to us:
Should [the payroll tax cut and extended unemployment
benefits] expire at the end of the year, fiscal drag will be
intense in 2012.
In other words, because there will be a reduction in demand in the
economy, we will see lower economic growth, we will see lower job
creation, we will even see a risk of returning to recession. This is
from Goldman Sachs, the U.S. Economic Analyst, ``What Turns a Stall
Into a Slump?'' They are telling us one way to turn a stall into a
slump is to fail to extend the payroll tax cuts and to extend
unemployment insurance benefits to those who have been out of work for
extended periods of time.
That is not just the view of Goldman Sachs. I wrote a letter to the
Congressional Budget Office--that is nonpartisan--and I asked them
which of
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the policy initiatives we could take would give us the biggest bang for
the buck. What they told us is No. 1 would be extension of unemployment
insurance. Why? Because the people who receive those benefits are most
likely to spend the money. That means there would be increased demand
in the economy, and that would give additional lift.
Let me be swift to add: For those who are concerned about deficit and
debt, I am with you, absolutely, because our long-term threat is this
growing debt. But CBO has told us in testimony before the Budget
Committee there is no contradiction between taking steps in the short
term to give lift to the economy and taking steps in the medium term
and the longer term to rein in deficits and debt.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator's time has expired.
Mr. CONRAD. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent for an
additional 3 minutes.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. CONRAD. I thank the Chair and I thank my colleagues.
This is what JPMorgan Chase has said on expiring payroll tax cut and
emergency unemployment benefits:
For 2012, the more important issue is what happens to
expiring stimulus measures. . . . Together, [the payroll tax
cut and the emergency unemployment benefits] have lifted
household disposable income by about $150 billion this year.
If they expire as scheduled, consumption growth early next
year would be challenged. . . . In our baseline view, the
drag from tightening fiscal policy [including expiration of
the payroll tax cut and emergency unemployment benefits]
could subtract 1.5%-2.0% from GDP growth next year.
Since GDP growth is only forecast at 2.5 to 3 percent, a reduction of
1.5 to 2 percent would be a dramatic reduction.
This is what Mark Zandi, the chief economist of Moody's Analytics,
said:
If policymakers do nothing here, if Congress and the
administration just sit on their hands and they do nothing,
the odds are very high we'll go into recession early next
year. . . . We have a payroll tax holiday, all of us. . . .
We'd be in recession right now without it. . . . If they
don't [extend] that, at the very minimum, we'll likely go
into recession.
I hope very much that colleagues are listening. I hope very much that
we are able to proceed to address this matter of extending the payroll
tax cut and of extending unemployment insurance.
I think I want to end as I began. If we had not had the government
response in TARP and stimulus, Zandi and Blinder--two of the top
economists in this country, one who was an adviser to the McCain
campaign, one who was the Deputy Chairman of the Federal Reserve--have
said we would be in a depression today. We would be in a depression
today, with 16-percent unemployment and 8 million fewer people having
jobs. We ought to pay close attention to that advice. We ought to act
on it, and we ought to do it together. We ought to find a way for
principled compromise on both sides.
This body is bigger and better than we are demonstrating at this
hour. We have the chance to prove to the American people that we are
worthy of their confidence and that we are able to respond and do the
urgent business of the Nation. I hope we don't disappoint them.
I thank the Chair and my colleagues for the courtesy of the
additional time, and I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from North Dakota.
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