[Congressional Record Volume 157, Number 115 (Thursday, July 28, 2011)]
[Senate]
[Pages S4997-S4999]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




                            THE DEBT CEILING

  Mr. DURBIN. Madam President, in 1939, we passed a law and the law 
created the debt ceiling. Before that law was passed, whenever the 
Government of the United States of America wanted to borrow money, it 
had to come to Congress. Congress had to approve it and the President 
would sign it. We decided then to change it. Instead, we said Congress 
will approve a certain amount of money that the President can borrow 
and we will change it as needed. In other words, we don't have to 
approve every single bond issue, every single borrowing of the Federal 
Government. In 1939, that is what we did.
  Since then, on 89 different occasions, Presidents of the United 
States have come to Congress and said the money Congress spent I have 
to borrow to cover. We don't have enough in the Treasury. Eighty-nine 
different times Presidents have come and asked for the authority to 
borrow money to cover expenses Congress approved. Fifty-five times 
Republican Presidents; 34 times Democratic Presidents. Not once--not 
once--did we ever default. Oh, there was a period, I think in 1979, 
where there were a few days of technical default, but there was never 
any conscious decision by Congress not to fund this debt ceiling and 
extend it.
  It is ironic that Members of the Senate have come to the floor and 
said: I will never vote to extend the debt ceiling as long as I serve 
in the Senate. They are the same Members of the Senate who have been 
voting for and sending to this President requests to spend money. An 
example: the war in Afghanistan. Some of the most conservative Senators 
on the other side of the aisle not only want us to wage this war but to 
stay there and keep spending money. Do we know what it costs? It costs 
$10 billion a month for us to protect our troops in Afghanistan. For 
every $1 we spend--every $1 we spend--whether it is on the war, on food 
stamps, on missiles, on highways--but for every $1 we spend, we borrow 
40 cents. We should not be borrowing all this money, but we do because 
Congress says there are certainly things we have to do as a nation.

  Many of the same Senators who have said to the President of the 
United States: Do not withdraw the troops from Afghanistan, keep them 
there even longer, are now coming to the floor and saying to the 
President: But we are not going to join in asking for the authority you 
need to provide that money for those troops.
  The Senator from Pennsylvania has come here the second day and given 
his take on what would happen if Congress fails to extend the debt 
ceiling on August 2-5 days away, August 2. What would happen?
  First, understand, this is a self-inflicted wound. We have created 
this crisis. Madam President, 89 times we have extended the debt 
ceiling without incident. Presidents of both parties have asked for 
this over and over.

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  Who holds the record for extending the debt ceiling the most during 
his 8-year Presidency? Ronald Reagan. Eighteen times--18 times--more 
than twice a year, he asked Congress to extend the debt ceiling because 
under his 8-year watch the debt of the United States tripled.
  Who holds the record for second place on the list of increasing the 
national debt? President George W. Bush, who, I believe, came to us 
seven or nine times asking to extend the debt ceiling.
  It has been done by Presidents of both parties.
  Now there is this controversy that is raging between the House and 
the Senate about whether we extend the debt ceiling. It is a vote we 
have done customarily without this confrontation in the past. Now we 
face it. But we have created this crisis. It is a self-inflicted wound, 
and to blame anybody else for it is just plain wrong. History tells us 
Congress not only has the authority but, I believe, has the 
responsibility to extend the debt ceiling. It is hypocritical to pass 
bills on the floor of the Senate--to call for the President to wage a 
war or build a building--and then not give this President the authority 
to borrow the money to do it. That is what I am hearing from the other 
side.
  The Senator from Pennsylvania comes and says: We can live with this 
default. We have to figure out how to manage this default. I think he 
said at one point it could be managed easily. Wrong, completely wrong.
  Let me tell you what happens if we default on the national debt for 
the first time in history. First, what does it do to the reputation of 
the United States of America? We have a credit report too. I do not 
know if you can get a free credit report for the government, but we 
have one. We have a AAA rating. Pretty good, right? The best in the 
world, the strongest economy in the world. It means when we borrow 
money, we borrow it at the lowest interest rate because people trust 
the United States of America to keep its word.
  If we borrow money and say we are going to pay it back, we have 
always done it. We have never defaulted. We are pretty trustworthy as a 
debtor, and creditors understand that and charge us the lowest interest 
rates.
  If this goes through as promised by the tea party people, and we 
default on our national debt, for the first time in history, what do 
you think it is going to do to our credit status? I can tell you what 
it is going to do. It is going to diminish our credit reputation in the 
eyes of lenders. What happens when lenders think it is riskier to loan 
money? They raise interest rates. In other words, the money we borrow 
to sustain our government will cost us more. How much more? For every 1 
percent increase in interest paid by our government on our debt, it 
costs us $130 billion a year added to the debt. That is not $130 
billion worth of money for education or $130 billion worth of money to 
protect us from terrorism. That is $130 billion to international 
bankers and countries that loan us money from this self-inflicted 
wound.
  What else would happen? Sadly, when interest rates on our Federal 
Government go up, interest rates go up across our economy. It affects 
every family, every individual, every business in America. It affects 
how much you pay on your credit card bill, how much you pay for an 
automobile loan, a home loan, a student loan. All of these are 
affected. It is as bad, if not worse, than a tax because it hits 
everybody.
  It could not come at a worse time. When our economy is struggling to 
create jobs, with millions out of work, to think that this unnecessary, 
manufactured political crisis, self-inflicted wound is going to hurt 
our economy in its recovery is just plain wrong.
  Let me go to the specific point made by the Senator from 
Pennsylvania. Stay tuned and listen to what he just said. He said to us 
he has asked our government to tell us how they would manage a 
default--who would you pay, who would you fail to pay--and the 
government has not been forthcoming, the President, with a plan on who 
will be paid and not paid.
  Well, we will get that plan, and we will not like it one bit. Here is 
why. If we do not extend our debt ceiling, in the month of August here 
are the raw numbers we have to work with. We will have $172 billion on 
hand in our Treasury to spend in August, and we will have obligations 
of $306 billion.
  So what do you do when you have 55 percent of what you need? You make 
choices. The Senator from Pennsylvania said: Here are my three choices. 
First, we pay interest on other debts we have so we do not default on 
everything. That is sensible. Secondly, he said, we pay Social Security 
because these folks--many of them--have no other source of income. That 
is sensible too. Then he said we ought to pay our troops in combat and 
the military. I vote for that too. These men and women are risking 
their lives and they should be our highest priority. He says we can 
talk about the rest.
  What is the rest? I will tell you what the rest includes. It includes 
every Medicare payment to every hospital and doctor in America. It 
includes every payment to a disabled veteran in America. It includes 
the decision as to whether we are going to fund Federal employees. If 
they are not your favorite class of people--I happen to think a lot of 
them, but many people do not--keep in mind some of the things they do 
that we will have to decide whether we should continue doing.
  I was at the Greenville Federal Correctional Facility 2 weeks ago. 
The men and women risking their lives holding people in prison, 
thousands of them across the United States--pay them or not? They were 
not on the list. They were not on the list of the Senator from 
Pennsylvania.
  We just had a meeting where we talked about our weather satellites 
collecting information about weather around the world, warning people 
when severe weather patterns are developing. Should we pay NOAA to 
maintain those satellites in orbit?
  As you go through this list--whether you are talking about the FBI 
fighting terrorism, whether you are talking about the men and women 
representing the United States at embassies around the world, whether 
you are talking about law enforcement, whether you are talking about 
the intelligence agencies of the United States that watch on a minute-
by-minute basis the activities of terrorists who would kill us--they 
were not on the list from the Senator from Pennsylvania. He did not put 
those on the list.
  If we get down to a choice, and if it becomes that terrible a choice, 
understand this President--no President--wants to face that. They do 
not have to. It is time for us to get this resolved.
  When I call radio shows back in Illinois--and I will bet the 
Presiding Officer gets the same thing back in Missouri--people are fed 
up with what they see going on in Washington. They cannot believe 
grownups in the House and Senate, paid to do this job, are failing; 
that they are dragging this out.
  I will tell you what I got yesterday: an e-mail from a businessman in 
Chicago. He is a friend. He has a lot of businesses. He has a lot of 
people working for him. He had a closing yesterday on a deal worth more 
than $100 million to renovate a major building in Chicago. It would 
have been a lot of jobs. It would have been great for our city. The 
closing was canceled. The parties at the table said: Until Congress 
gets this figured out, we are not going to close the deal.

  He sent me an e-mail and said: For God's sake, when is this going to 
come to an end?
  I am hearing that all over from people who are just fed up.
  The Chicago Tribune printed an article today entitled: ``Across 
state, businesses fret over debt ceiling showdown.'' They went through 
a long list of individuals who talked about what this stalemate might 
mean.
  As the article states, Ed Wehmer, with Wintrust Financial 
Corporation, ``worries that a prolonged stalemate could lead to a 
double-dip recession,'' even more unemployment.

       ``The possibility of not getting a Social Security or other 
     government check will make people skittish,'' Wehmer said. 
     That could weaken consumer spending and hamper economic 
     growth. Higher interest rates, he said, would hit an already 
     stressed real estate market.

  A banker in Lake Forest said: ``Could you imagine if we ran our 
business like that,'' referring to what is going on in Washington. 
``These are the people who make the regulations we have to live with.''

       The Illinois Hospital Association figures that its members 
     will have to absorb $8 billion in federal payment reductions 
     over 10

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     years as a result of the 2010 health care overhaul act. Now, 
     [they are] bracing for another blow.
       ``We're concerned that any additional cuts to hospitals, 
     whether through Medicare or Medicaid, will have a dramatic 
     impact on hospitals and health care providers . . . ''

  The Illinois Finance Authority--all of these groups look at this 
situation and say: This makes our economy even worse. It is a self-
inflicted, politically manufactured problem. It is a crisis which does 
not have to exist. Should we ignore our debt? Of course not.
  Madam President, you know I have worked on this issue for a year and 
a half now with more specificity than ever in my career. I was on the 
deficit commission the President appointed. Then I stuck around 
afterwards as six Senators--the Group of 6, we called ourselves; it was 
not a very inspired name, but that is what we came up with: three 
Democrats and three Republicans--and we sat down for 6 months and 
hammered out an agreement among us to reduce our Federal deficit by $4 
trillion over the next 10 years, with a balanced approach that puts 
everything on the table--everything--revenue, entitlements, spending--
everything.
  We came to an agreement. We presented our agreement to the Senators 
just 2 weeks ago. Forty-nine Senators showed up at that meeting, 
Democrats and Republicans. It was amazing. Then we followed up and 
said: Are you ready to put your name on the bottom line? Will you 
support moving forward with this bipartisan way to deal with the 
deficit in a responsible way that does not endanger our economy and 
make us face bankruptcy as a nation?
  We now have 36 Senators, Democrats and Republicans, who have signed 
up. That is a pretty good number. It shows that this is not an idea 
that we came up with that does not have legs. Sure, we are going to 
have to change it. We understand that. But look what happened. 
Democrats and Republicans sat down--no cameras, no reporters--and 
worked out a reasonable way to deal with the deficit and our Nation's 
debt.
  What is better? Lurching from this crisis to another crisis 4 months 
from now, as Speaker Boehner suggests, or dealing with this in an 
honest, bipartisan way today?
  Madam President, I can tell you what the American people want us to 
do--at least I think I know what they want us to do. They do not want 
us to endanger this economic recovery. They do not want us to kill 
jobs. They do not want us to hurt businesses. They want us to help this 
economy recover and create jobs. They want us to extend this debt 
ceiling so we do not see interest rates going up across America at 
exactly the wrong time. They certainly do not want to see us put in a 
position where we have to decide between paying Social Security 
recipients and our soldiers who are in combat. That is what the 
administration would face if this crisis that has been manufactured on 
Capitol Hill continues.
  What they expect us to do is to earn our pay as Members of the House 
and Senate, to work hard to come up with a reasonable approach, and to 
be willing to give a little. It is the only way you reach a compromise. 
Compromise is the nature of this political process. Those who condemn 
it--and there are some who do, who say: Never give up, stick to your 
principles, never change--we are not going to get a solution. We have 
to be willing to work together to give and get this done.
  Here is what I predict is going to happen soon.
  I predict Speaker Boehner is going to call his bill on the floor of 
the House. We have told him in advance it is a nonstarter here. If it 
passes the House, it will come here, and it will likely be voted down. 
We will then propose an alternative.
  Majority Leader Harry Reid has an alternative which basically extends 
the debt ceiling beyond next year so our economy has time to recover. 
It cuts spending by over $2 trillion so we address our deficit. It does 
it with a list of spending cuts that every Republican has voted for so 
it is not controversial in substance. I think that is the best 
approach.
  He creates a joint committee to deal with the long-term deficit. I 
have been involved in those, and I think we should. I think it is a 
good, balanced approach that solves our problem and gets us through 
this crisis. We are likely to vote on it either tomorrow or the next 
day. But we are down to 5 days. We are running out of time. We have to 
get this done.
  I want to tell you, any Senator who comes to the floor and says 
defaulting on our debt and reaching the first point in our history 
where the credit reputation of the United States is in doubt is OK, it 
is a good political tactic, they do not understand the gravity of that 
decision and the impact it will have on businesses and families for 
generations to come.
  This notion that we can pick and choose the checks we are going to 
send out in August when we are going to have 55 or 60 percent of what 
we need is going to put us in an impossible position. Deciding among 
all of the valuable, important functions of government which ones will 
not be funded--that is an impossible position for this President to be 
in. We cannot do that to him. We cannot do that to our government. We 
cannot do this to our country.
  I hope that after the House votes today or tonight, whenever it may 
be, that we take up the measure quickly. Let's move this forward. Let's 
get this done. Let's avoid this crisis. Let's meet the responsibility 
we were elected to address.
  I yield the floor and I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Ms. Klobuchar). The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. PRYOR. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order 
for the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. PRYOR. Madam President, I understand that we are in morning 
business and Senators are allowed to speak therein for up to 10 
minutes.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. That is correct.

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