[Congressional Record Volume 157, Number 109 (Wednesday, July 20, 2011)]
[Senate]
[Pages S4691-S4693]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
CUT, CAP, AND BALANCE
Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, we are going to move to a debate on our
budget deficit, particularly on the debt ceiling we face on August 2.
The proposal before us was enacted by the House yesterday on a
virtually partisan rollcall, with one or two exceptions. The
Republicans passed a proposal which they have characterized as cut,
cap, and balance, and they will bring it to the floor of the Senate for
consideration. It tries to project spending targets and cuts in
spending for the years to come and also to include in the conversation
the balanced budget amendment.
It is interesting, the way they approach it, because the balanced
budget amendment is literally an amendment to the Constitution of the
United States, and those of us who take our oath seriously--and I
assume that is every Member of Congress and the Senate--understand that
we are sworn to uphold this Constitution. In other
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words, it is to be treated as the guiding document for our actions as
Members of Congress. I have taken that oath many times as a House and
Senate Member, and I take it seriously.
Also, because of that oath, I am skeptical of those who come forward
and want to amend the Constitution on a regular basis. We have had 27
amendments to the Constitution. They have been enacted over the course
of our Nation's history. They address some of the most serious issues
and most historic moments in our history. I think we should address
that document, that Constitution, with an air of humility, a feeling
that before we add our words, whatever they may be, to this great
document that has endured for more than 200 years, we should take care
and be serious about it.
I don't often question the motives or the intentions of others who
come to the floor, and I won't do it in this instance, but I will say
that to have before us, as we will later in the day, a proposal that we
amend the Constitution of the United States by choosing one of three
options--and that literally is what we will face, three different
versions of a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, and what
we will consider here will address choosing one of them. I don't think
we were elected to the Senate and sworn to uphold the Constitution to
be part of a multiple-choice test about what the next amendment will
be. I think we should be much more serious in our undertaking.
I will also tell you that I have been here in Congress long enough to
remember a little bit of history. There once was a President named
Ronald Reagan, and Ronald Reagan, as President of the United States,
was in a leadership position of the United States at a critical moment
in our history, there is no question about it. Some amazing things
occurred during his administration, but when it came to the budget side
of things, there was some history made there as well.
We are considering the debt ceiling of the United States. What is the
debt ceiling of the United States? The debt ceiling of the United
States is the authority Congress gives to the President to borrow
money.
Each year, the Treasury Secretary will call the President and say: I
need additional authority to borrow money. Why does he ask for
additional authority? Because Congress--the House and the Senate--sent
requests for more spending, and the President has to borrow money to
honor those requests. How much does the President have to borrow? In
this day and age, about 40 cents for every dollar we spend.
So the President has been told that August 2 is the drop-dead date.
He needs more authority to borrow money for the actions taken by
Congress. As an example, many Members of Congress--even some who now
say they won't give the President this authority--voted for America to
go to war not once but twice, and in so voting, for example, on the war
in Afghanistan, they are committing the United States of America to
spending $10 billion a month in defense of our men and women in
uniform, members of our family who are waging this war. They voted for
that.
Now President Obama has said to them: The bill is coming in for the
war in Afghanistan, and I have to borrow money to pay for it. These
same Members of Congress--the House and Senate--who voted for the war
in Afghanistan are now saying: We won't pay the bills. We won't extend
the debt ceiling. We won't allow you, Mr. President, to borrow the
money to sustain our military forces in Afghanistan.
That is literally what we are talking about here in this debate. The
American people are starting to come to understand because when you
first ask a person, do you want to extend the debt ceiling, the obvious
answer is, no, are you crazy, Senator? Why would I want more debt in
this country? We need less debt, not more. Don't you get it?
Understandably, that is the public reaction. But when you go to the
point of explaining that this is to pay for debts we have already
incurred--and it is not just to wage war; it is a debt incurred to pay
for Medicare. We said to 65-year-olds across America: You get a health
insurance plan called Medicare, and it will be there when you need it.
When you go to the hospital and turn in your bills, we will pay that
doctor and we will pay that hospital. And we borrowed money to do it.
Mr. BROWN of Ohio. Would the assistant majority leader yield?
Mr. DURBIN. I would be happy to yield.
Mr. BROWN of Ohio. I appreciate the Senator's comments about where we
were. About 10 years ago, we had a budget surplus in this country, as
you recall. We had a number of years of quarter after quarter of
economic growth, and we know that when you have economic growth,
obviously the budget gets in a better situation. But then it was the
tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 that I believe the Senator opposed, as I did
when I was in the House of Representatives, that went overwhelmingly to
the wealthiest taxpayers; and then the two wars the Senator talked
about that the people enthusiastically--some, not the Senator--voted
for but didn't see a reason to pay for them; and then this Medicare
bill, which was basically a bailout to the insurance and drug companies
in the name of privatizing Medicare, and we are in a situation now
where we are simply trying to pay the bills.
I appreciate the Senator's thoughts and comments about where that
takes us. It seems to me it is not like raising your credit card debt
limits. These are obligations we have, and we have to be responsible
elected officials, as we would as responsible citizens, and pay the
debts and the obligations we have incurred as a nation, correct?
Mr. DURBIN. That is correct. And I would say to the Senator from Ohio
that when you look back in history, since 1939 when we had this debt
ceiling, President after President has extended the debt ceiling
because the cost of government--the debt of the United States--has
generally gone up in most administrations.
The record holder for extending the debt ceiling in U.S. history
since 1939: President Ronald Reagan, on 18 different occasions during
an 8-year period of time, extended the debt ceiling. During his
administration, we tripled our national debt, and so we needed to keep
borrowing. So to say this debt ceiling extension is the product of a
Democratic President is to misstate the case. Every President has faced
it. Ronald Reagan asked for those debt ceiling extensions more than any
other President. When it comes to incurring debt in 8 years in office,
Ronald Reagan has the record for tripling the national debt, and coming
in second is George W. Bush for doubling the national debt while he was
in office and asking on seven different occasions to extend the debt
ceiling.
The point I am making is that President Obama has asked to extend the
debt ceiling, and there is ample history--some 89 different times--that
it has been done, and it is done to pay for obligations we have already
made, debts we have already incurred.
Now what happens if we don't extend the debt ceiling? Well, what
would happen if the Durbin family of Springfield, IL, did not make our
mortgage payment on our home this month? Not good. We are likely to get
a call from the bank at some point saying: You probably overlooked it,
but there was a mortgage payment due. And if you said: We are just not
going to pay it, we are not going to continue to borrow money from your
bank, they would say there are consequences. And the same thing is true
if you don't extend the debt ceiling.
If we don't extend the debt ceiling of the United States and
authorize the President to borrow money to meet our obligations, two
things will happen. The credit report of the United States of America
is not going to look good the next day. The same thing is true for
individuals and families: If you don't pay your bills, your credit
report doesn't look so hot. What is the difference? For the United
States of America, it means the AAA credit rating we have enjoyed
throughout our history will be in danger. It means the interest rates
charged to the United States for our own debt will go up and interest
rates across the economy will go up, affecting every family and
business in America that borrows money, which would be most families
and businesses.
Raising interest rates with this high rate of unemployment is exactly
the wrong thing to do. Every single day, the Federal Reserve, under Ben
Bernanke and his Board of Governors,
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sits down and tries to figure out a way to make interest rates low so
the economy will grow and jobs will be created. If we have a self-
inflicted wound of not increasing the debt ceiling, the net result will
be a higher interest rate on our government and higher interest rates
on families and businesses. A 1-percent increase--1-percent increase--
in the interest rate paid by our government on its debt costs us $130
billion a year--1 percent.
We are running the risk, by missing the deadline of August 2, of
raising that interest rate, killing jobs, making it more difficult for
businesses to expand, and increasing the deficit. Can we imagine three
worse outcomes at this moment in our history?
So when Members of the Senate and the House come and make these pious
pronouncements of ``I am never going to vote for an extension of the
debt ceiling,'' they are jeopardizing our economic recovery and the
debt we face.
Some of them have said: I will tell you what. I will vote for a debt
ceiling if we can amend the Constitution and put in a balanced budget
amendment.
Throughout my time of service in the House and the Senate, I have
never--underline ``never''--voted for a balanced budget amendment and
here is the reason: We don't need the Constitution to tell us what to
do. We know what we need to do. We should have the will to do it. For
those who have been guilty of voting for all this spending and now want
a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, it reminds me of the
person who says: I will not promise I will not steal again, but I will
vote for the Ten Commandments. Well, great. Wouldn't it be better if
they changed their conduct and the way they acted? Wouldn't it be
better if Congress dealt with this budget deficit forthrightly? And we
can.
For those who say we don't have a very good track record, they are
right. But efforts are underway on the part of what is known as the
Group of 6, which is expanding in size, which is trying to, on a
bipartisan basis--Democrats and Republicans--come up with a way through
this budget deficit problem. It is not easy. We have been at it for
more than 6 months. We have produced a plan which is now being
carefully scrutinized and will be worked on, I am sure, for a long time
to come, but it moves us in the direction of $4 trillion in deficit
reduction. It does it by putting everything on the table--everything--
including spending cuts, entitlement programs, and revenue.
Spending cuts are easy compared to the other two--easier for us, I
might add, because they generally involve future spending, and we make
the reductions thinking, perhaps, it will not have the negative impact
in the future that some imagine.
When it comes to the entitlement programs, I think we deal with a
different mindset when it comes to the American people. I believe
Social Security and Medicare have become even more important to
American families than they were 25 years ago because of the
vulnerability of families today. Many families planned for their
retirement and saved some money and maybe they had a pension plan at
work and then they had Social Security. Well, over the years, perhaps
the savings took a hit when the stock market went down some 30 percent
a few years ago. Many of the pension plans didn't survive corporate
restructuring or bankruptcy, and Social Security was the last game in
town for a lot of the people retiring.
So when we talk about changing Social Security, people all across
America--40 million or 50 million Americans--perk up and say: Senator,
what do you have in mind because we are counting on it and we don't
want you to mess it up.
Here is what I can say about Social Security. Untouched, with no
changes--no changes--Social Security will make every promised payment
with a cost-of-living adjustment for 25 years--25 years. That is pretty
good. There isn't another program in government that can say the same.
But what happens at the end of 25 years? Then the trouble starts. We
start running out of money and reducing Social Security payments 22
percent. About one-fifth--or a little more--of the payment a person is
receiving today would disappear in 2 years. So what we are talking
about in all the deficit conversations is to find ways to extend the
life and solvency of Social Security.
There are ways to do it. We have talked about a variety of different
ways to do it. Any savings in Social Security will stay in Social
Security. It is similar to Las Vegas. We are going to make sure the
savings we put in Social Security will be reinvested in the program to
make it stronger longer.
I also want the program to be fair--we all do--in terms of
beneficiaries, particularly the most vulnerable beneficiaries. About 20
percent of Social Security beneficiaries--the lowest 20 percent--are
below the poverty line, even after they get the Social Security check.
We need to change that. We shouldn't allow that to happen. These are
mainly elderly people who, with the helping hands of our government and
Social Security, should be lifted above the poverty level.
Medicare is much the same. If we don't deal with Medicare, the
increasing cost of health care is going to cause that program to run
into trouble. What we need to do is to make certain at the end we
protect the benefits under Medicare but find ways to reduce the cost.
We have to reward value rather than volume when it comes to medical
treatment, and we have to keep our promise to the Medicare
beneficiaries.
There have been proposals made. One was made by the House Republicans
in their budget, the so-called Paul Ryan budget, which would have
dramatically changed Medicare. Out-of-pocket expenditures by senior
citizens would have more than doubled to $6,000 a year. So $500 a
month, by a person who is retired, can be a hardship, if not an
impossibility. Even worse, the House Republican budget would have taken
Medicare as we know it and turned it upside down and said: In the
future, under the House Republican plan, Medicare is going to be
managed in the tender loving arms of private health insurance
companies. I don't think most Americans feel a sense of confidence or
relief to hear that.
So as we begin this debate this afternoon on the so-called cut, cap,
and balance, the point I wish to make is this: We should not be
considering a plan which does not put in specific language a balanced
budget amendment but asks Members of the Senate to vote for a multiple
choice test as to what the next amendment to the Constitution will look
like. Secondly, we should carefully scrutinize every word of that
amendment. Those who have say they are poorly drafted and have no place
in the most important document in America. Third, let's accept the
responsibility to do what we were elected to do--to reduce spending, to
bring this budget to balance, and to do it in a sensible and humane
way. The notion we would somehow amend our Constitution and wait for
three-fourths of the States to ratify it is, in my mind, not
responsible.
I am going to oppose this. I am not going to oppose efforts to reduce
our deficit, but I am going to oppose this notion that somehow a
balanced budget amendment to the Constitution is going to be our
salvation. As the old Pogo cartoon used to say: We have met the enemy
and they are us.
We have to do this ourselves--Members of the Senate on both sides of
the aisle.
I yield the floor and suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. SANDERS. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order
for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Udall of New Mexico). Without objection,
it is so ordered.
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