[Congressional Record Volume 157, Number 77 (Wednesday, June 1, 2011)]
[House]
[Pages H3816-H3828]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 2017, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2012
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call
up House Resolution 287 and ask for its immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:
H. Res. 287
Resolved, That at any time after the adoption of this
resolution the Speaker may, pursuant to clause 2(b) of rule
XVIII, declare the
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House resolved into the Committee of the Whole House on the
state of the Union for consideration of the bill (H.R. 2017)
making appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security
for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2012, and for other
purposes. The first reading of the bill shall be dispensed
with. All points of order against consideration of the bill
are waived. General debate shall be confined to the bill and
shall not exceed one hour equally divided and controlled by
the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on
Appropriations. After general debate the bill shall be
considered for amendment under the five-minute rule. Points
of order against provisions in the bill for failure to comply
with clause 2 of rule XXI are waived except for section 536.
During consideration of the bill for amendment, the chair of
the Committee of the Whole may accord priority in recognition
on the basis of whether the Member offering an amendment has
caused it to be printed in the portion of the Congressional
Record designated for that purpose in clause 8 of rule XVIII.
Amendments so printed shall be considered as read. When the
committee rises and reports the bill back to the House with a
recommendation that the bill do pass, the previous question
shall be considered as ordered on the bill and amendments
thereto to final passage without intervening motion except
one motion to recommit with or without instructions.
Sec. 2. (a) Pending the adoption of a concurrent resolution
on the budget for fiscal year 2012, the provisions of House
Concurrent Resolution 34, as adopted by the House, shall have
force and effect (with the modification specified in
subsection (c)) in the House as though Congress has adopted
such concurrent resolution. The allocations printed in the
report of the Committee on Rules accompanying this resolution
shall be considered for all purposes in the House to be the
allocations under section 302(a) of the Congressional Budget
Act of 1974 for the concurrent resolution on the budget for
fiscal year 2012.
(b) The chair of the Committee on the Budget shall adjust
the allocations referred to in subsection (a) to accommodate
the enactment of general or continuing appropriation Acts for
fiscal year 2011 after the adoption of House Concurrent
Resolution 34 but before the adoption of this resolution.
(c) For provisions making appropriations for fiscal year
2011, section 3(c) of House Resolution 5 shall have force and
effect through September 30, 2011.
Point of Order
Mr. ELLISON. Mr. Speaker, I raise a point of order against H. Res.
287 because the resolution violates section 426(a) of the Congressional
Budget Act. The resolution contains a waiver of all points of order
against consideration of the bill, which includes a waiver of section
425 of the Congressional Budget Act, which causes a violation of
section 426(a).
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Minnesota makes a point
of order that the resolution violates section 426(a) of the
Congressional Budget Act of 1974.
The gentleman has met the threshold burden under the rule, and the
gentleman from Minnesota and a Member opposed each will control 10
minutes of debate on the question of consideration. Following debate,
the Chair will put the question of consideration as the statutory means
of disposing of the point of order.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Minnesota.
Mr. ELLISON. Mr. Speaker, I raise this point of order not necessarily
out of concern for unfunded mandates, although there are likely some in
the underlying bill, H.R. 2017, because the bill slashes funding for
our State and local governments as they prepare against homeland
security threats and respond to natural disasters.
Parliamentary Inquiries
Mr. ELLISON. Before I begin, Mr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary
inquiry.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state the parliamentary
inquiry.
Mr. ELLISON. The rule states, ``House Concurrent Resolution 34, as
adopted by the House, shall have force and effect in the House as
though Congress has adopted such concurrent resolution.''
Does this mean that the rule deems that the Senate will have passed
H. Con. Res. 34?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The content of the rule will be subject to
debate.
Mr. ELLISON. I have a further parliamentary inquiry.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state the inquiry.
Mr. ELLISON. So voting ``yes'' on the rule is voting ``yes'' for H.
Con. Res. 34, the Ryan budget, which ends Medicare; is that right?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Minnesota is making a
point for debate.
Mr. ELLISON. Further parliamentary inquiry.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state the inquiry.
Mr. ELLISON. Mr. Speaker, doesn't the Ryan budget end Medicare as we
know it?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Minnesota is not stating
a proper parliamentary inquiry.
The gentleman is recognized.
Mr. ELLISON. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I raise this point of order because I think it's important to
discover whether or not the underlying rule for the Homeland Security
appropriations bill also deems the Republican plan to end Medicare as
we know it. It's the only vehicle we've got to actually talk about this
rule and this bill and how we are being denied the ability to actually
offer amendments that we would like to, to illuminate what's actually
happening in the bill.
Mr. Speaker, we have a responsibility to address our deficit. But
cutting the lifeline for our seniors is not an act of courage; it's
actually cowardly. Claiming to reduce the budget deficit on the backs
of Americans who have paid into their retirement their entire lives not
only harms American seniors but goes against the basic values of
fairness and security that Americans cherish.
Medicare guarantees a healthy and secure retirement for Americans who
pay into it their whole lives. It represents the basic American values
of fairness and respect for those seniors which Americans cherish.
Siding with lobbyists to give insurance company bureaucrats control of
Medicare does nothing to address the deficit, but it does a great deal
to reduce health care for our seniors.
Let's put America back to work, and let's reject the rule and
underlying bill by voting ``no'' on this motion to consider.
I now yield 2 minutes to Mr. Cicilline of the great State of Rhode
Island.
Mr. CICILLINE. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
I rise today in opposition to this rule which allows for debate on
the fiscal year 2012 Homeland Security appropriations bill.
This bill makes dangerous cuts to the Urban Areas Security
Initiative, or UASI, a program critical to the security of our
country's urban areas that have been deemed at high risk of terrorist
attacks. One of those urban areas is Providence, Rhode Island, in my
congressional district, along with many other communities.
Just last year, the greater Providence area was one of 64 cities that
was identified either because of their capital or their critical assets
or their geography as being areas at most risk of being targeted by
terrorists.
As a result of those designations, Providence has been receiving
critical funding from the Federal Government under the UASI program to
support efforts to prevent and respond to terrorist attacks and other
emergencies. And Providence, under the leadership of Colonel Pete
Gaynor, became the first city in America to have an accredited
Department of Emergency Management and Homeland Security. However, the
funding cuts to UASI that are contained in this bill will cripple the
ability of key urban areas like Providence to effectively ensure public
safety should a terrorist attack occur.
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How?
The loss of funds will limit the ability of Providence and other
communities to address cyber-terrorism and to communicate with first
responders in an emergency, among many other critical emergency
functions.
Mr. Speaker, our Nation's defense must come first. We cannot in good
conscience spend billions of dollars protecting people all over the
world at the expense of our own national security. I urge my colleagues
to vote in favor of restoring funding for the Urban Areas Security
Initiative and against this rule.
Mr. ELLISON. I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr.
Garamendi).
Mr. GARAMENDI. I thank the gentleman from Minnesota for yielding.
Will the assault on the well-being and the health care of America
never
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end? Look over the last 5 months as to what has happened here. This
bill takes it one more step.
First is the repeal of the Affordable Health Care Act with provisions
in it to protect Americans from the rapacious appetite of the health
insurance companies. Providing protections, Republicans would repeal
that. Then the next step, which we saw just recently in the Republican
budget, is the termination of Medicare for those who are under 55 years
of age. What are they to do? Then, for those who are already on
Medicare, there will be a significant, serious reduction in the
Medicaid program, which provides essential funding for those seniors in
nursing homes.
Will the assault never end?
Here in this bill, to protect the American homeland is a deeming of
the Republican budget, which clearly terminates Medicare. Is it never
going to end? Are we never going to step forward to actually put in
place legislation that will assist Americans in getting the health care
that they need?
Step one, way back: Repeal the Affordable Health Care Act. Give
limitless opportunities to the insurance companies to go after the men
and women of this Nation--terminating Medicare. Here, coming back in a
Homeland Security bill, slipping in by sleight of hand a repeal, once
again, of health care.
By the way, how is it going to be paid for? You're going to take it
out of seniors' pockets, but you're not going to go after the oil
companies? Come on now. The oil companies, the richest industry in the
world, not paying their fair share and at the same time getting
subsidies from the American taxpayers?
It is time for that to end. There are ways to pay for the deficit and
to bring it down. One of the ways not to do it is to go after seniors.
Mr. ELLISON. Mr. Speaker, may I inquire as to how much time is
remaining on our side?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Minnesota has 4\1/4\
minutes remaining.
Mr. ELLISON. I reserve the balance of my time.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from New York is recognized.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, the question before the House is: Should the
House now consider House Resolution 287?
While the resolution waives all points of order against consideration
of the bill, the committee is not aware of any points of order. The
waiver is prophylactic in nature. Specifically, the Committee on Rules
is not aware of any violation of the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act nor
has the Congressional Budget Office notified the Rules Committee of any
violation of the act. Additionally, the open rule before the House
today allows any Member of Congress to amend or strike any provision of
the bill, which is the ultimate failsafe.
In order to allow the House to continue its scheduled business for
the day, I urge Members to vote ``yes'' on the question of
consideration of the resolution.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. ELLISON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from
Illinois (Ms. Schakowsky).
Ms. SCHAKOWSKY. There is a lot of talk and legalese about what is
going on today, but the reality is what the Republicans are trying to
do underneath all of that legalese language is to enshrine in law the
Republican Ryan budget. By voting for the rule, what you do is to put
into force that budget.
What does that budget do? It ends Medicare.
Now, there are people who resent that term--that oh, no, we're really
going to save it. Well, I'm going to tell you, when you take away the
guaranteed benefits of Medicare--that's what seniors get right now--for
people 55 and under, they are thrown into the not-so-loving arms of the
insurance companies, and their costs will increase out of their own
pockets by about $6,000. That's what the bill does.
The bill also turns Medicaid upside down, which is not only the
health care plan for poor children in the United States but also the
largest payer for nursing homes and home health care. That is the
single biggest part of Medicaid--paying for nursing home care and home
health care. So it's another slap at the seniors.
The other thing that the legislation does is to offer more tax breaks
for the wealthiest Americans. It lowers the tax rates for corporation,
many of which aren't even paying any taxes right now, a couple of which
got tax refunds from the government. You've got major companies paying
fewer taxes than ordinary Americans. That's what this does.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. ELLISON. I yield the lady an additional 15 seconds.
Ms. SCHAKOWSKY. The American people aren't stupid. They will
understand that this is another doubling down on cutting Medicare. It
will be apparent by the end of this day.
Mr. REED. I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. ELLISON. I yield myself the remaining time.
Mr. Speaker, we should be creating jobs, not destroying Medicare. We
should be preserving what has made America great, which is the basic
sense that we are all in this thing together.
Yes, it is absolutely true that people should go out into the private
sector and try their luck in the free market--skill, ingenuity and all
that--but America has always had a strong public sector, which has been
essential to the survival and the success of that private sector: fair
rules, good infrastructure, good jobs, times in America, like during
the Depression, when Eisenhower led us to build and create that
infrastructure. Then in 1968, when we created Medicare, this country
has been at its best. Yes, a private sector but also a strong, vibrant
public sector.
We are at a point in American history today when at least the
Republican caucus believes we don't need a public sector. We just don't
need one. We may need one, maybe, for military stuff, but beyond that,
they just don't see a purpose for it. I believe Americans think that
things like Medicare, infrastructure development, Social Security, and
things like the GI Bill are important parts of what make America
``America'' because they are how we recognize as Americans that we are
all in this thing together, that our senior citizens will not be
abandoned, that our GIs coming back will not be left behind, that
communities which need police, fire and EMT services will not just be
left to the ravages of others.
We need an American commitment to Social Security and Medicare, and
that's what we're going to be arguing for today. The American people
can count on the Democratic Caucus to never abandon our seniors even as
Republicans want to take Medicare apart as a program that has served so
many people so well. You want to do something to change Medicare? Why
don't we let Medicare negotiate drug prices. That could probably save
us several billion dollars a year, as much as $53 billion a year.
Republicans don't want to do that because they've got their interests
to protect.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, I will note that each of the comments that
have been offered from the other side are not relevant to the point of
order.
Yet, in response to the comments that have been tendered by my
colleagues from the other side of the aisle, I would say that
Republicans are not here to destroy Medicare. They are here to save
Medicare.
We have put forth a responsible plan that has been openly and
continuously debated in the public forum and in this Chamber about how
we're going to move forward with the problem that we have in Medicare.
It is a problem we cannot deny. Both sides of the aisle know that
Medicare is on a path to bankruptcy. We have put forth a plan. We have
put forth a plan that guarantees that we can deal with the problem in
such a way that those who are on Medicare are not impacted and that
those within a generation of retiring into Medicare are not impacted.
Yet we're villainized by the other side for allegedly throwing grandma
off the cliff--for taking away Medicare.
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That is not being honest with the American public. We will be honest
with the American public. We recognize the problem in Medicare. We put
forth a plan. My colleagues on the other side of the aisle have not put
forth a plan to deal with the problem. They want to engage in
electioneering, politicking, and looking at the reelection efforts for
2012.
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Well, we are here as members of this caucus and as Members of this
body to deal with the problems of America in an honest and open
fashion, and that is what we will do.
The House-passed budget guarantees that seniors will have coverage
that is affordable. The House-passed budget guarantees seniors will be
able to find a plan. It does not end Medicare as we know it. It does
not throw our seniors off the cliff. It is a responsible plan that
leads us to a situation that deals with the problem of Medicare that is
a known problem. If we want to continue to live in denial and not be
honest with the American public, then I tell the American people:
follow the Democratic proposal of engaging in name-calling rather than
sitting down and engaging in problem-solving. That's what we're about.
At this point in time, I urge my colleagues to continue the
consideration of the underlying rule and reject this point of order.
I yield back the balance of my time.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. All time for debate has expired.
The question is, Will the House now consider the resolution?
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. ELLISON. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 234,
nays 183, not voting 14, as follows:
[Roll No. 380]
YEAS--234
Adams
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Amash
Austria
Bachmann
Bachus
Barletta
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Bass (NH)
Benishek
Berg
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brooks
Broun (GA)
Buchanan
Bucshon
Buerkle
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Canseco
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Cassidy
Chabot
Chaffetz
Coble
Coffman (CO)
Cole
Conaway
Cravaack
Crawford
Crenshaw
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Denham
Dent
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Dold
Dreier
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Ellmers
Emerson
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Flake
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Gardner
Garrett
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gibson
Gingrey (GA)
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Granger
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grimm
Guinta
Guthrie
Hall
Hanna
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Heck
Hensarling
Herger
Herrera Beutler
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurt
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (IL)
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Jordan
Kelly
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kinzinger (IL)
Kline
Labrador
Lamborn
Lance
Landry
Lankford
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Lewis (CA)
LoBiondo
Long
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marino
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McCotter
McHenry
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
Meehan
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Mulvaney
Murphy (PA)
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Nunnelee
Palazzo
Paul
Paulsen
Pearce
Pence
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Quayle
Reed
Rehberg
Reichert
Renacci
Ribble
Rigell
Rivera
Roby
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross (FL)
Royce
Runyan
Ryan (WI)
Scalise
Schilling
Schmidt
Schock
Schweikert
Scott (SC)
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Southerland
Stearns
Stivers
Stutzman
Sullivan
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Turner
Upton
Walberg
Walden
Walsh (IL)
Webster
West
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Woodall
Yoder
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Young (IN)
NAYS--183
Ackerman
Altmire
Andrews
Baca
Baldwin
Barrow
Bass (CA)
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boren
Boswell
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Chandler
Chu
Cicilline
Clarke (MI)
Clarke (NY)
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Critz
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLauro
Deutch
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly (IN)
Doyle
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Garamendi
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hanabusa
Hastings (FL)
Heinrich
Higgins
Himes
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kaptur
Keating
Kildee
Kind
Kissell
Kucinich
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lujan
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McNerney
Meeks
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore
Moran
Murphy (CT)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Peters
Peterson
Pingree (ME)
Polis
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Richardson
Ross (AR)
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schrader
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell
Sherman
Shuler
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Speier
Stark
Sutton
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tonko
Towns
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Woolsey
Wu
Yarmuth
NOT VOTING--14
Braley (IA)
Duffy
Giffords
Gohmert
Gonzalez
Lucas
Myrick
Olson
Richmond
Schwartz
Tierney
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
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Mr. REICHERT changed his vote from ``nay'' to ``yea.''
So the question of consideration was decided in the affirmative.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York is recognized for 1 hour.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, for the purposes of debate only, I yield the
customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Colorado (Mr. Polis),
pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During
consideration of this resolution all time yielded is for the purpose of
debate only.
General Leave
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members have
5 legislative days to revise and extend their remarks.
The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from
New York?
There was no objection.
Mr. REED. House Resolution 287 provides for an open rule for
consideration of H.R. 2017.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of House Resolution 287, to
provide the rule for H.R. 2017, the Homeland Security Appropriations
Act for fiscal year 2012. I am proud to be managing this rule, the
first truly open rule since July 31, 2007, an Agriculture
appropriations bill in the 110th Congress. The 112th Congress has made
it clear that it supports an open process, and this rule exemplifies
this initiative. For 119 Members of the 112th Congress, this is their
first experience with an open rule, including six members of the Rules
Committee. I am proud to be part of this body and this conference that
is engaged in this transparency in government and this open process.
Throughout the entire 111th Congress, only 810 amendments were
considered. Only 6 months into this, the 112th Congress, 437 amendments
have been considered.
The leadership of this Congress is directly listening to the American
people and their call for an open and transparent process. In addition,
this bill also follows the promise that we have made to the American
people in that it does not include any earmarks either in the
underlying bill or in the conference report. This commitment is what
Americans desire and deserve, and this will continue the process in
this Congress that we have committed ourselves to the American people
to do.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POLIS. I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, not only does this rule before the House drastically
shortchange Homeland Security priorities,
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but this rule puts into force by deeming and passing the Republican
budget resolution.
This rule, section 2, states very clearly that the Republican budget
resolution shall have force and effect. That is the traditional
language of a deem and pass. Yes, this budget deems passed the
elimination of Medicare in order to keep in place tax cuts for the
highest earners and tax breaks for oil.
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And while I do thank the majority for offering up the first open rule
during my tenure in the House, I ask at what price. Well, I think there
would be broad bipartisan support for an open rule. I, for one, cannot
support a rule that deems passed the elimination of Medicare. Americans
resoundingly opposed the approach of dismantling Medicare. They want us
to put our economy on more secure fiscal footing and do it while
strengthening our economy, creating jobs and mending, not ending,
Medicare.
I would like to quote former Minority Leader John Boehner in
reference to the approach of ``deem and pass'' that was considered by
the then-majority Democrats with regard to the health care bill. Then-
Minority Leader Boehner said, ``This legislative trick has been around
for a long time, but it's never been used for a bill so controversial
and so massive in scope.''
Mr. DREIER. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. POLIS. I will not yield.
What could be more massive than an elimination of Medicare contained
in a rule rather than approach a simple vote on appropriations with
regard to Medicare, cutting Medicare, bills with regard to Medicare
reform?
This is the most sweeping rule that I've certainly ever faced in my
time in the House of Representatives, and I think many of my colleagues
agree.
The passage of this rule alone would simply end Medicare as we know
it by construing in the deem and pass of the bill itself the operative
language. And let me explain how this works for some of our colleagues.
Rules have broad authority. And I know the chairman of the Rules
Committee, Mr. Dreier, will on his own time be able to talk of it. The
Rules Committee, by the good graces of the House with our rules passing
the House, has the ability to accomplish whatever the House allows us
to through a rule.
So in this rule, the House will deem under section 2 that the Ryan
budget, the budget that ends Medicare, the Republican budget, shall
have force and effect until a conference report passes and that will
likely not occur unless the Republicans alter their negotiating
position vis-a-vis the Senate and vis-a-vis the President.
I strongly urge a ``no'' vote on eliminating Medicare contained in
section 2 of this rule.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, I yield as much time as he my consume to the
chairman of the Rules Committee, the gentleman from California (Mr.
Dreier).
(Mr. DREIER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, let me say at the outset that I'm
particularly glad that you're in the chair because it was a speech that
you delivered last September in which you said that we were going to,
in fact, if we won the majority, put into place an entire new structure
that we had seen under neither political party over the preceding
years, that is, the kind of openness, transparency, and accountability
that the American people have said overwhelmingly that they want.
And so, Mr. Speaker, let me just say to you personally how much I
appreciate the stellar leadership that you've provided us on this very
important issue.
It is extraordinarily ironic that we last night saw the minority
members of the Rules Committee actually vote ``no'' on the first open
rule to be considered here in the House of Representatives. And yet
over the past several months, they've been offering amendment after
amendment in the Rules Committee calling for open rules. And so we
report one out, and they vote ``no.''
Now, the other thing that I think is very important for us to
recognize is that we have important challenges that are ahead of us as
it relates to Homeland Security. My colleague managing this rule who,
by the way, is one of the two floor managers, neither of whom has been
able to see an open rule in the House of Representatives up to this
moment, my friend didn't even mention the very important underlying
legislation that is before us.
The distinguished chair of the Committee on Appropriations, my
friend, Mr. Rogers, is here. He and Mr. Aderholt, Mr. Price, and others
on that subcommittee have worked very hard to deal with this priority
item. Mr. Rogers had served in the leadership on this subcommittee in
the past and continues to have a great interest in it.
And we should note that as we look at this new procedure that hasn't
been considered since, as my friend from Corning said, July 31 of 2007,
what we have is a structure whereby Members will have the opportunity
to stand up and offer amendments.
And I listened to my friend from Providence, our new colleague, Mr.
Cicilline, who said that he opposes this bill because of the fact that
it makes a cut that he didn't like. Well, Mr. Speaker, as you know very
well, under this rule Mr. Cicilline or any other Member of this House
will be able to stand up and if they can find offsets, they can have a
vote on the amendment addressing their particular priority.
I also have to say that in the Rules Committee our good friend from
North Carolina (Mr. Price) was before us talking about his concerns.
And he asked for a waiver from the Rules Committee, nearly
unprecedented, that would have gone beyond the standard definition of
an open rule and provided him extraordinary protection for a priority
which he thinks needs to be addressed. Well, Mr. Speaker, under this
open amendment process, Mr. Price will again be able to offer an
amendment that he will be able to, if he can find an offset, have a
vote on here in the House.
Now I want to talk about this issue that my friend from Boulder
addressed just a few moments ago and that we continue to hear over and
over and over again. This so-called ``deem and pass.'' This is not, Mr.
Speaker, a deem-and-pass provision. I will remind my colleagues on both
sides of the aisle we have already passed, with a very rigorous debate
here on the House floor, the budget. We've passed it already.
Now, so that we are able to move ahead with the important
appropriations work with the 302 allocations that need to be done, it
is essential that we deem this budget because we have yet to have a
conference report. We've yet to see our friends in the other body pass
out a budget. And so it is essential that we deem, which has been done
since virtually the beginning of time, to make sure that we can proceed
with our very important work.
Tough decisions need to be made. Under the leadership of Speaker
Boehner, we are poised to make those tough decisions. Mr. Speaker, it's
important that we have a strong, bipartisan vote for the first of what
will be more and more open rules in the 112th Congress. I urge my
colleagues to support this.
I look forward to sitting where Speaker Boehner is right now to
preside over the first appropriation bill that will be considered under
an open amendment process, and I look forward to a very rigorous
debate.
Mr. POLIS. I yield myself 30 seconds.
Of course while the underlying merits of the Department of Homeland
Security appropriations bill are critical, and if the rule passes
they'll be debated under the underlying rule, eliminating Medicare as
we know it is even more important to the American people. Hence the
discussion under this rule as well.
I should point out that while this is an open rule, again as a member
of the minority I'm deeply appreciative for the chance to amend the
provisions of the Department of Homeland Security bill. If this rule
passes, it will be too late to save Medicare under the bill. The very
passage of this rule itself will deem passed the budget that contains
the elimination of Medicare.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Michigan, the
ranking member of the Ways and Means Committee, Mr. Levin.
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(Mr. LEVIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. LEVIN. This is indeed an open rule in the sense it's so open that
if you vote for the rule, you're voting to end Medicare.
Republicans have done this once. If you vote for this, you're going
to do it twice. And the gentleman who is handling this for the majority
earlier talked about Medicare and said the Republicans are trying to
save it. You don't save something by ending it. Purely and simply. And
to come to this floor and say you're saving it when you're ending it,
that kind of talk is a big lie.
We heard this with Social Security some years ago when the effort to
privatize it was said to be an effort to save it. The public caught on.
And the public said no. The public has now said ``no'' to ending
Medicare. But, essentially, you're tone deaf.
Now, you're doubling down on your plan to end it, a plan that would
force seniors to pay twice as much for their health care, a plan that
increases seniors' drug costs, and a plan that puts insurance companies
in charge of seniors' health care.
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Mr. REED. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. LEVIN. I will finish.
So instead of a bipartisan effort to save it, by this rule you are
essentially deeming the budget that you passed that ended Medicare,
period.
So don't come and say you're saviors when you're eliminating a
program. Stand up and be honest and say you want to replace it with
something else. That something else is not Medicare. It's turning it
over to the private insurance industry and saying to seniors who become
eligible, who would be, instead, you are going to see double your
costs. That's not forthright.
If you vote ``yes'' on the rule, you are the second time voting to
end Medicare.
Announcement by the Speaker
The SPEAKER. The Chair will remind Members that their remarks should
be addressed to the Chair.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, before I yield to the gentleman from New York,
I would just like to make it clear that in our House-passed budget, on
page 58, lines 8 and 9, it is clearly articulated there that current
Medicare benefits are preserved for those in and near retirement
without changes.
I would also note for the record, to clarify and make sure the record
is very clear, that the budget that we are talking about is not going
to be presented to the President and enacted into law. What we are
talking about here is nothing about ending Medicare as we know it.
At this point in time, I yield 2 minutes to my good friend, the
chairman, Mr. King from New York.
Mr. KING of New York. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
At the outset, let me say I am proud to vote for this rule because it
is an open rule, and I commend the Speaker for doing this. It's really
an important step forward, I believe, in the history of this House.
Let me say also that, very reluctantly, in its current form, I will
have to vote against final passage of this bill. I say this because we
are at a stage now where the threat level, the homeland security threat
level is the highest it's been since September 11. The killing of bin
Laden has only made that worse. We know also from bin Laden's own
records that he is aiming at maritime, he is aiming at mass transit,
and he is aiming at our major cities. Yet we are cutting each of those
programs by 50 percent, a fifty percent cut.
Now, I can speak for New York in that I can tell you we have a
thousand police officers. We have a Lower Manhattan security
initiative. We have radiation detection. I can go through a whole list
of programs. Every dollar in those programs can be accounted for. And I
just cannot see why, at a time when the threat level is the highest
it's been since September 11, that we are reducing Homeland Security
grants by 50 percent.
The Department was set up in the aftermath of September 11 to fight
terror, yet those grants are being reduced. And I know there is
anecdotal evidence that this program isn't working, that isn't working.
I would say specify what's not working, but don't take a meat axe.
Don't cut across the board the way it's being done here. We're talking
about human life. We're talking about just a terrible threat to our
cities, terrible threat to our ports, terrible threat to mass transit.
And for those--and I understand the need to cut. I understand that
need tremendously. Having said that, even from my strictly budgetary
point of view, you have one dirty bomb go off in one subway in Boston,
New York, or Chicago, and apart from the tragic loss of human life,
apart from the tragic loss of human life there will be incalculable
economic devastation, which will also cost billions and billions of
dollars of lost revenue and jobs and have a terrible impact.
I lived through September 11. I know what it did to New York. I know
the impact it had then. I don't want any other city, any other area in
the country to go through that again. And yet we're reducing our
defenses at a time when they are most needed.
So with that, I would just ask all the Members to give Chairman
Rogers the credit, give Chairman Aderholt the credit, but unfortunately
I have to vote against this.
Mr. POLIS. Mr. Speaker, again, while the majority is claiming this to
be an open rule, the very passage of the rule itself deems passed the
Republican budget that ends Medicare. That will not be amendable in any
way, shape, or form in the general debate. All that will be amendable
are provisions relating to the Department of Homeland Security.
I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Maryland, the ranking member
of the Budget Committee, Mr. Van Hollen.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. I thank my colleague.
Mr. Speaker, this is not an ordinary House rule we will be voting on
today. The resolution deems the provisions of the Republican budget to
have ``full force and effect.'' In other words, a vote on the rule
today is essentially another vote on the Republican budget plan that
protects subsidies for the Big Oil companies, while ending the Medicare
guarantee and slashing investments in education. Those wrongheaded
priorities were thoroughly rejected in the recent special election in
New York.
The American people clearly oppose a one-sided plan that would
immediately reopen the prescription drug doughnut hole and tells
seniors that in 10 years they will pay $9,000 more for their current
set of benefits or take deep cuts in those benefits.
Ladies and gentlemen, the median income of seniors on Medicare is
less than $21,000 a year. What kind of budget says we're going to
require seniors with median incomes of $21,000 a year to pay $9,000
more in just 10 years while cutting the rate for millionaires, the top
marginal tax rate for millionaires by 30 percent? What kind of budget
would do it? Well, the budget that was passed by the Republicans a few
months ago and the one they're doubling down on today.
We have to have a balanced budget plan. We have to have a plan that
addresses this from all aspects, not a plan that the former Speaker of
the House described as a radical plan that was driven by right-wing
social engineering.
It is very ironic that on the very day we will be swearing in the
next Member of Congress from New York's 26th District that we will be
voting again on a budget that the people of that district, like people
around the country, rejected because--the former Speaker of the House
had it right--it was radical and right wing and not the right plan for
America.
The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. POLIS. I yield the gentleman an additional 15 seconds.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. I thank my colleague.
The question we're facing here is what is the best way forward. We
all understand we have to have a budget deficit plan that's predictable
and addresses that issue, but why in the world would we adopt a one-
sided approach that has those priorities, that says we're going to
slash Medicare and give tax cuts for the wealthy?
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to remind my colleagues from
the other side of the aisle that the budget
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that they so referenced went through an open process. It was subject to
debate. It was amended in this Chamber and passed by this body. And if
they are so disinclined to approve that budget or stand with that
budget, I would ask them to reach out to their colleagues in the
opposing Chamber over in the Senate who have not passed a budget for
the last 762 days and take the matter up with them.
At this point in time, Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan), chairman of the Budget Committee.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
I understand why this might be confusing to my friends on the other
side of the aisle. After all, they didn't bother to pass a budget last
year. Our friends on the other side of the Rotunda in the Senate didn't
bother to pass a budget this year. We have a budget crisis. We've got a
$1.5 trillion deficit. We've got a debt that is getting out of our
control. And what do you do when you have a problem like that? You pass
a budget.
The reason we're doing what we're doing today is because our partners
on the other side of the Rotunda in the Senate didn't pass a budget.
House Republicans did. We passed a budget. And we're acknowledging and
living within that budget. If our friends on the other side of the
aisle bothered to pass a budget, we wouldn't be in the situation where
we are today.
Now, let's discuss about what our budget does and what it does not
do. Number one, because we have a debt crisis, we think we have a moral
obligation to our constituents, our children, and our grandchildren to
put our budget on a path to balance and to pay off our national debt.
We also think we need to put our economy on a path to prosperity so we
can get job creation.
Let's, for a moment, talk about Medicare. Medicare as we know it is
already gone. Our friends on the other side of the aisle, when they
passed the Affordable Care Act, they stopped the Medicare status quo.
Under the President's new health care law, that ends Medicare as we
know it. It does two things: It raids Medicare, and it rations
Medicare. It takes $500 billion from Medicare to spend on the
President's new health care law. It doesn't take that money to extend
its solvency.
Just like people have complained for years we're raiding the Social
Security trust fund and we should stop doing that, the President's
health care law does that to Medicare now.
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The second thing it does, starting next year, the President will
appoint 15 unelectable, unaccountable bureaucrats to put in charge of
Medicare, to price control and to ration Medicare for current seniors.
What's worse is the President and the Senate still have yet to put out
a plan to save Medicare to prevent it from going bankrupt.
We stop the raid of Medicare in our budget and make sure that half a
trillion dollars stays in Medicare to advance its solvency.
Mr. GARAMENDI. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. I will not yield.
Number two, we repeal the rationing board so that we don't put
bureaucrats in charge of determining what kind of health care benefits
seniors do or do not get; and, number 3, we save Medicare.
The way in which we do this is this. We say that if you are on
Medicare, if you are 10 years away from retiring at 55 and above,
government already made a promise to you. We want government to keep
that promise.
So under our budget we keep that promise. We stop the raid, we repeal
the rationing board. And for those of us who are 54 and below, who have
a bankrupt system that we right now cannot count on, we reform it so
that it works like the system Members of Congress and Federal employees
have. It's a system that looks like Medicare Advantage or the drug
benefit that works today, where seniors get a choice of plans offered
to them by Medicare, guaranteed coverage options from which they can
choose, and Medicare subsidizes that plan. It doesn't subsidize people
as much if they are wealthy, and it subsidizes them a lot more if they
are low income, if they are sick.
This saves Medicare. This puts Medicare on a path to solvency and,
more importantly, by saving it for future generations we can keep the
promise to the current generation. We repeal the rationing board, we
stop the raid, and we save the program.
That's what our budget proposed to do, but with respect to this rule,
we are talking about discretionary spending. We are talking about
paying the bills this year for all those different government agencies.
We simply think Congress should function the way the Founders
envisioned it where we actually pass budgets, we actually scrutinize
spending, and we actually finance government's functions and its
agencies. We are not dunking our responsibility; we are passing our
budgets. Because we are deeming those numbers in this year's bill, it
is simply because of the fact that nobody else around here seems to be
bothered with passing budgets.
The President hasn't put out a plan to fix the problem and the Senate
has, for a second year in a row, failed to even pass a budget. We are
leading, we are saving Medicare, we are getting the debt under control,
and we are working to create jobs in this economy and we are governing
by actually paying the bills and passing our appropriation bills.
Revisions to the Allocations of the Fiscal Year 2012 Budget Resolution
Related to Legislation Reported by the Committee on Appropriations
Mr. Speaker, pursuant to sections 301 of H. Con. Res. 34,
the House-passed budget resolution for fiscal year 2012, I
hereby submit for printing in the Congressional Record
revisions to the budget allocations set forth pursuant to the
budget for fiscal year 2012. The revision is for new budget
authority and outlays reported by the Committee on
Appropriations, Subcommittee on Homeland Security, which are
designated for the Global War on Terrorism. A corresponding
table is attached.
This revision represents an adjustment pursuant to sections
302 and 311 of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, as
amended (Budget Act). For the purposes of the Budget Act,
these revised allocations are to be considered as allocations
included in the budget resolution, pursuant to section 301 of
H. Con. Res. 34.
Paul Ryan,
Chairman, House Budget Committee.
ALLOCATION OF SPENDING AUTHORITY TO HOUSE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
[In millions of dollars]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Discretionary Action.............................. BA 1,019,402
OT 1,224,119
Adjustment for Global War on Terrorism............ BA 258
Reported by Subcommittee on Homeland Security..... OT 206
Total Discretionary Action........................ BA 1,019,660
OT 1,224,325
Current Law Mandatory............................. BA 745,700
OT 734,871
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mr. POLIS. I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr.
Markey).
Mr. MARKEY. I thank the gentleman very much.
I rise in opposition to this Republican attempt to deem their budget
passed, just deem it passed so that we can begin with this process.
It's just wrong. It's not the way we should be conducting business, but
it's the way they have been operating all year.
Recently, radio evangelist Harold Camping calculated that the world
would end at precisely 6 p.m. on May 21. Well, he was wrong. But much
like Harold Camping's wildly inaccurate predictions, the House
Republicans have come up with their own apocalyptic vision, the
Republican Rapture. This budget decides who gets lifted up into the
economic stratosphere and who gets left behind.
Under this scheme, if you are a millionaire or a billionaire, you get
raptured into heaven with all of your tax breaks remaining intact. But
if you are Grandma and Grandpa, and you are dependent upon Medicare in
order to take care of your health care needs, you get moved to
political purgatory. That's their plan.
Now, if you are one of the big five oil companies that are reporting
record profits, you get raptured with all of your tax breaks left
intact in this budget, which we are debating here today. You keep all
of your tax breaks.
But if you are a college kid hoping to get a Pell Grant, no, ladies
and gentlemen, you are back in political purgatory. Your educational
future is in question.
Now, if you are an insurance company executive and you are now really
rapturously happy because of the privatization of Medicare and the
incredibly increased profits for the insurance
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industry, you are up here in heaven. You get raptured. This is the
budget we are debating right now. Good news for all these wealthy
people.
But if you have Alzheimer's or cancer and you are hoping to find
medical breakthroughs, they are cutting the NIH budget, the national
institutes of hope budget, to find a cure for those diseases. Your
hopes and dreams go to political purgatory.
And if you have any hopes at all of having Medicare be saved, well,
their budget guarantees that Medicare gets privatized, that Medicare is
ended as we know it.
The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. POLIS. I yield the gentleman an additional 30 seconds.
Mr. MARKEY. And that Medicare budget is completely and totally
smashed.
So there is your debate here today, ladies and gentlemen. Are you
with billionaires, Big Insurance, Big Oil? Are you with Grandma and
Grandpa, making sure that Medicare remains intact for the years ahead,
honoring the promise that we made to them for giving us this great
country that we live in today. That's the vote today.
Vote ``yes'' or ``no'' on Grandma, vote ``no'' on that Republican
budget, and protect Grandma's health care into the future.
Mr. REED. I would like to submit section 501 of House Concurrent
Resolution 34 for the Record as we seem to be commenting about it to a
great extent this afternoon. I just want the record to be clear.
SEC. 501. POLICY STATEMENT ON MEDICARE.
(a) Findings.--The House finds the following:
(1) More than 46 million Americans depend on Medicare for
their health security.
(2) The Medicare Trustees report has repeatedly recommended
that Medicare's long-term financial challenges be addressed
soon. Each year without reform, the financial condition of
Medicare becomes more precarious and the threat to those in
and near retirement becomes more pronounced. According to the
Congressional Budget Office--
(A) the Hospital Insurance Trust Fund will be exhausted in
2020 and unable to pay scheduled benefits; and
(B) Medicare spending is growing faster than the economy.
Medicare outlays are currently rising at a rate of 7.2
percent per year, and under CBO's alternative fiscal
scenario, mandatory spending on Medicare is projected to
reach 7 percent of GDP by 2035 and 14 percent of GDP by 2080.
(3) Failing to address this problem will leave millions of
American seniors without adequate health security and younger
generations burdened with enormous debt to pay for spending
levels that cannot be sustained.
(b) Policy on Medicare Reform.--It is the policy of this
resolution to protect those in and near retirement from any
disruptions to their Medicare benefits and offer future
beneficiaries the same health care options available to
Members of Congress.
(c) Assumptions.--This resolution assumes reform of the
Medicare program such that:
(1) Current Medicare benefits are preserved for those in
and near retirement, without changes.
(2) For future generations, when they reach eligibility,
Medicare is reformed to provide a premium support payment and
a selection of guaranteed health coverage options from which
recipients can choose a plan that best suits their needs.
(3) Medicare will provide additional assistance for lower-
income beneficiaries and those with greater health risks.
(4) Medicare spending is put on a sustainable path and the
Medicare program becomes solvent over the long-term.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr.
Nugent).
Mr. NUGENT. I would like to thank my friend from New York (Mr. Reed),
also a Rules Committee member that I serve with, for the opportunity to
support this rule and support the underlying legislation, H.R. 2017,
which appropriates funds for our Nation's Homeland Security operations
for 2012.
Just a comment: I thought that's what we are here to talk about, and
so we are going to go back on track in regards to where we should be.
As a member of the Rules Committee, I am proud of this rule. It is the
first open rule in 4 years, Mr. Speaker, and that's because of you.
It's a continuation of our promise to the American people that we are
committed to bringing openness and free-flowing debate to this Chamber
as a service to the American public. And just like the rule keeps our
promises to the American people, so does the underlying legislation.
It keeps our promise to reduce spending, to narrow the size and scope
of the Federal Government. It also keeps our promise to provide those
men and women who work day in and day out to keep our Nation safe with
the tools and the resources they need.
I have heard a lot about local first responders in connection with
this bill. Mr. Speaker, I spent my entire career in law enforcement. I
spent the last 40 years as a cop, and the last 10 of those years I
served as a sheriff of a county in Florida.
You don't need to tell me about what our local first responders need.
I know it firsthand, I have lived it. And I can tell you this: We need
to follow the local example that those folks in Florida and across this
Nation and States have shown us. Our local police and firefighters know
how to do more with less, one thing the Federal Government has never
quite grasped.
Would you like to have more money? Sure we would. But they understand
our Nation is in a dire fiscal situation, and what they want more than
anything else is for America to be here for their future and their
children and grandchildren's future.
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When I was sheriff, I was faced with budget shortages, and I made
tough cuts. I eliminated programs I'm sure that I would have loved to
have kept in place, but they didn't meet the core mission that I was
elected to do. That's how local government works, Mr. Speaker, and
Washington needs to learn from local governments in regards to how to
get their act together as it relates to spending.
Mr. Speaker, H.R. 2017 is a good bill, and I applaud the
Appropriations Committee for their commitment to our homeland security.
I encourage my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to support this
legislation and support the open rule.
Mr. POLIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from
Mississippi, the ranking member on Homeland Security, Mr. Thompson.
Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the
rule for H.R. 2017, the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations
Act of 2012.
This year marks the 10th anniversary of the September 11 terrorist
attacks. As Americans began to process the carnage inflicted by Osama
bin Laden on our soil, then-President Bush challenged us as a nation to
``confront every threat from any source that could bring sudden terror
and suffering to America.'' For nearly 10 years, we've done just that.
We've made major investments in intelligence, border security,
transportation security, and emergency preparedness.
H.R. 2017 suddenly veers away from these incremental efforts and, as
a result, sets our Nation on a dangerously wrong path. To cut homeland
security preparedness grants by $2.1 billion at a time when DHS is
calling for a period of heightened alert because of our successful
action against bin Laden is deplorable and reckless.
How we can continue these efforts with an appropriation bill that
funds DHS at 7 percent below what President Obama tells us that DHS
needs is beyond me.
The probability of a terrorist attack on a major domestic transit
system has not subsided, nor has Mother Nature relented and softened
the barrage of punishing blows to our communities, including much of my
own congressional district. This bill sacrifices the security of our
communities just to save a penny here and a penny there.
Our first responders must not be treated as pawns to the political
ideology of the day. It is the decimation of the first responder grant
programs, at the hands of the Republican leadership, that, by far, is
the most offensive aspect of this bill.
The SPEAKER. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. POLIS. I yield the gentleman 30 additional seconds, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. The second most offensive aspect of this
bill is the shenanigans surrounding the funding of disaster
emergencies. Lastly, ending Medicare in this rule makes absolutely no
sense.
For these reasons, I oppose H.R. 2017 and ask my colleagues to join
me in voting against the rule and the underlying bill.
Mr. REED. I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr.
Woodall).
Mr. WOODALL. Mr. Speaker, as a member of the Rules Committee and
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the Budget Committee, I'm excited to be down here today. You told us,
Mr. Speaker, when this Congress began that we were going to witness one
of the most open Congresses in this country's history, and you have
delivered on that each and every day.
Now, I'm one of the new guys in Congress. I've only been here about
125 days, but what I saw--we're talking about budgets here today. What
I saw in the budget process was a leadership team and the chair of the
Rules Committee who said, Bring me a budget, any budget. I don't care
who you are, whether you're the most senior Member of this body or the
most junior Member of this body, bring me a budget, and we will
consider it on the floor of the United States House of Representatives.
Come all. Come all. Give us your ideas, and we will consider them.
Well, we had that process. I voted for two budgets on that budget
voting day. I voted for the Republican Study Committee budget, which I
thought was a great budget, and I voted for the Budget Committee's
budget.
I sit on the Budget Committee with Paul Ryan, and the Budget
Committee put in a tremendous amount of work, and that was the budget
that ended up carrying the day. And so that's the budget we're
operating under right here today.
The Homeland Security appropriations bill, the first bill out of the
chute. And what did you do, Mr. Speaker? You said, Come one, come all.
If you have an idea about how to improve this appropriations bill,
bring it to the floor of the House and we'll consider it. Bring it to
the floor of the House and we'll consider it.
Now, you might think, if you don't know as much about this House, if
you're a newcomer like me, you might think it goes on that way all the
time. But it doesn't because it's hard. It's hard.
I can only imagine, Mr. Speaker, what you get from folks back home,
because they probably say to you, close down the process. Push your
conservative agenda. Do it your way and make people fall in line. And
you said no. You said the House works best when the House works its
will. You said any Member of the House that can find 218 Members to
agree with him can work their will on the floor.
And that's the process that we're opening up. Not a Republican
process, not a Democratic process, but an American process where the
power of the ideas are what rules the day.
Now, that's taken a huge commitment from the Speaker and a huge
commitment from the Rules Committee chairman to make this process
happen and a huge commitment from the Appropriations chairman to make
this happen. But I'll tell you, for anybody out there who is thinking
in partisan terms, it takes a commitment from both sides of the aisle.
Open rules break down when we can't make those open rules work
together.
I see my friend, Mr. Polis, from the Rules Committee, who is a strong
advocate of the open rules process, and here we are for the first time
since July of 2007. And we're going to find out if we can make this
work together--a new crowd on your side of the aisle; a new crowd on my
side of the aisle. We're going to find out if we can make it work
together. Golly, I hope we can.
I hope we can, because it's the right thing to do, because I only
have a voice in this body when I can bring my amendments to the floor.
I only have a voice in this body when I can represent the 921,000
people back home. Mr. Speaker, you have given that to us over and over
again, and I thank you.
Mr. POLIS. The Democrats have no problem with the open rule. What the
Democrats have a problem with is the elimination of Medicare, which is
deemed and passed in the language of the rule itself and cannot be
amended after the passage of the rule.
It is my honor to yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from California,
the Democratic leader, Ms. Pelosi.
Ms. PELOSI. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the rule that is on
the floor today because voting for this rule is a vote to abolish
Medicare.
Here we are, once again, after the public has spoken so clearly on
this subject of wanting to have Medicare as a pillar of health and
economic security for our seniors, the Republicans saying we're going
to double down. Not only did we vote to abolish Medicare, increasing
costs for seniors, lowering benefits while giving tax breaks to oil
companies and corporations for shipping jobs overseas, not only have we
done that once, but we're going to do it again today, on a day that
we're going to swear in a new Member of Congress, a reminder that all
of us takes an oath of office to protect and defend.
And this bill, the bill that this rule comes up on, Homeland
Security, undermines the ability to protect and defend the American
people.
So, this is a double whammy. It's a threat, again, to the health and
economic security of our seniors and those who depend on Medicare, and
it is a threat to the safety of the American people.
I heard my colleague, Mr. Markey, talk about purgatory and rapture
and the rest in his original and effective presentation, and it
reminded me what we always say when we talk about a budget: that it
should be a statement of our values. What is important to us should be
reflected there.
Our budget proposals--we had one under the leadership of Chris Van
Hollen that was heard and voted on by the floor a number of weeks ago;
a Republican budget that is on the floor today in the form of this
rule--are windows to the soul of whom we are as public officials. And
this rule today which deems passage of the Republican budget is a
window to the soul of the Republican Party and this House of
Representatives.
Giving tax subsidies to Big Oil would benefit corporations that shift
jobs overseas and would give tax cuts to the wealthiest people in our
country while it says to seniors, No more Medicare for you. You're
going to pay more, get less, and weaken the middle class at the same
time, weakening the middle class because of abolishing Medicare and
weakening the middle class because of what it does to education for our
young children and making college more expensive for nearly 10 million
young people in our country.
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Is that an investment in the future?
I don't think so.
But it's really important when we talk about our soul and our values
and what our priorities are that we note that a vote for this bill is a
really serious assault on the middle class. People are concerned about
the dignity and retirement of our seniors. They are concerned about the
education of our children. They want to reduce the deficit. We must
create jobs. Growth in our economy will help reduce the deficit. This
bill does none of the above.
So, again, it's about what we believe in.
Mr. Speaker, I have to give you credit for this, that the Republicans
are true to what they believe in. They do not believe in Medicare, and
they are voting today to honor their beliefs to abolish Medicare. That
has been a consistent message over time. It is reinforced here today.
I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on the rule and ``no'' on the
underlying bill.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, I feel it is necessary to again correct the
record that what we have done in the proposal that has just been
referenced by my colleague from California is not to destroy Medicare;
it is to save Medicare. In an open and honest way, it's to deal with
the problem that we all know Medicare faces. It clearly states in the
document, in the resolution that was passed, that any senior who is in
Medicare, on Medicare or within a generation of retiring into Medicare
will not be impacted by anything that we do in that budget.
I would also remind my colleague from California that we stand here
today under a proposed open rule, where this body, this Chamber, will
be able to express its will in an open and traditional process of open
amendments.
Let me make clear to the American people what that means. That means
that any elected Member of this Congress can come down and speak the
voice of his or her constituents and offer amendments that can be
debated on the floor of this House in an open and transparent manner--
on TV, in their living rooms--so that the American people know what we
are doing in this Chamber.
I applaud you, Mr. Speaker, for honoring that commitment that you set
forth when you assumed that chair.
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At this point in time, Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to my good
friend, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Southerland).
(Mr. SOUTHERLAND asked and was given permission to revise and extend
his remarks.)
Mr. SOUTHERLAND. I thank the gentleman from New York for yielding.
I will tell you, I've been here for 5 months; and a few moments ago I
was as angry as I've been in a long time because, this afternoon, we
heard the injection of a Judeo-Christian event that I was taught as a
little boy is precious to my faith and to the tenets of Judeo-
Christians around this world.
I cannot sit and not rise and object and ask everyone in this body:
Please let's identify limits to what we will say and where we will go,
because what we say here the world listens to; but more importantly,
the God that we pray to listens, too.
So it bothers me greatly. I am angered--angered--at what I heard and
what I witnessed. In trying to be in control of my emotions, I would
just ask everyone: Please let's not inject religious events that many
of us are looking forward to in our futures.
Parliamentary Inquiry
Mr. POLIS. A point of parliamentary inquiry.
The SPEAKER. The gentleman may state his inquiry.
Mr. POLIS. If this rule is passed, would an amendment be germane that
would restore Medicare under the budget?
The SPEAKER. The Chair does not respond to hypothetical questions.
Mr. POLIS. Mr. Speaker, it is my honor to yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the
gentlewoman from California (Ms. Sanchez).
Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California. So 5 months. One of my freshman
colleagues said 125 days in the Republican majority and no jobs bill.
In fact, all you've tried to do is change Medicare as we know it to
make vulnerable seniors pay more and get less. Oh, then you're also
making education cuts to go after the dreams and aspirations of our
young people. That's the Republican way.
Today, we consider this rule and the Homeland Security's
appropriations bill where you actually cut 60 percent of the moneys
that the Federal Government sends to our local cities--yes, those
cities that are struggling, those cities that protect us. We don't
protect the American people from the Capitol. It's the local law
enforcement, the local fire department, the local hospitals. If a
terrorist attack or a natural disaster happens, the local responders
are the ones who first help the American people, and you're cutting the
money. They're already under attack at the local level. They have
already let firemen and policemen go, and now you're taking away 60
percent of the moneys that we send to protect the American people. What
is troubling is that you're limiting the cities where we send some of
this money, like under the Urban Areas Security Initiative.
The SPEAKER. The time of the gentlewoman has expired.
Mr. POLIS. I yield the gentlewoman an additional 15 seconds.
Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California. You're cutting moneys to places
like Las Vegas and Orlando and my hometown of Anaheim, California,
where Disneyland is. The American people deserve to be protected, and
this Congress should get its priorities straight.
Mr. REED. I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POLIS. I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr.
Tonko).
Mr. TONKO. In just moments from now, we will have a new Democratic
colleague from my home State of New York. The Democratic Congresswoman-
elect hails from the most Republican district in my State, a district
that John McCain won in 2008.
Just one week ago, voters in her conservative-leaning district
resoundingly rejected the Republican plan to end Medicare. Apparently,
the Republican majority here in Washington didn't get the message.
Voting to end Medicare once was not enough for them. The rule vote that
we are about to take will, once again, deem the Ryan plan to end
Medicare as enacted and will put us on a road to ruin where seniors
will see out-of-pocket expenses skyrocket by at least $6,000 every year
as Medicare is ended so as to continue the handouts of tens of billions
of dollars to oil companies.
In a few moments, after they've finished voting to end Medicare
again, I hope that as my Republican colleagues congratulate our New
York colleague on her election they will see her as yet another face
and as yet another voice, an outspoken voice, to save Medicare.
Mr. REED. I continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POLIS. Mr. Speaker, if this rule passes, an amendment will not be
in order to restore Medicare under the bill. Again, while this claims
to be an open rule--and it is for purposes of Department of Homeland
Security amendments--it cannot be amended to undo the budget that is
deemed passed in the rule, itself.
With that, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentlewoman from New York
(Mrs. Maloney).
Mrs. MALONEY. I thank the gentleman for his leadership and for
yielding.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the rule, which will end
Medicare as we know it, and also to the underlying bill, which reduces
Homeland Security grants by 50 percent to our cities, to our ports, to
our transit.
Is there any reason to believe, I ask my Republican colleagues, that
there is a 50 percent reduction in threat?
If anything, law enforcement tells us that the number of threats is
up since the death of Osama bin Laden. Police Commissioner Kelly, in
New York City, tells me that since 9/11 there have been 13 serious
terrorist attempts, and six of these were focused on mass transit,
which has been cut by 50 percent.
We need to remember what law enforcement has told us: that our
antiterrorist efforts have to be right every day, every hour, every
second, every time. Yet terrorists just have to be lucky once.
I ask my Republican colleagues: What would be the impact on the loss
of lives and on our economy if we were attacked again as they are
trying to do? The chatter is up. Law enforcement tells us the threat is
up, not down. So why are we cutting it 50 percent?
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My Republican colleagues, I say to you that you are not just gambling
with dollars; you are gambling with lives. It is not a gamble Democrats
are willing to take.
I urge a ``no'' vote.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Kansas
(Mr. Yoder).
Mr. YODER. I thank the gentleman from New York for yielding me this
time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the rule that we are debating here
today so that we can debate a bill on homeland security. Now, that
might come as a surprise to many who are watching this debate, or to
the Speaker or anyone else in this Chamber today, that we are actually
debating a rule that deals with homeland security.
Now, the fantasy discussion going on on the left right now on any
topic that comes to mind might be entertaining to some, but for the
rest of this country, they would love to see this body actually debate
issues that are on topic, and that issue is homeland security. Agencies
like Border Patrol, ICE agents, Coast Guard personnel, the Secret
Service, funding for all sorts of agencies, $1 billion for FEMA
disaster relief fund, are these not issues important enough to discuss
on the floor today?
The bill prohibits the use of funds to move detainees at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba, into the United States and denies them immigration benefits
such as visas, admission into the United States, and classification as
refugees, all sorts of things that are critical to homeland security,
to protecting Americans from terrorism, keeping Americans safe.
And we are doing it under an open rule, and that is the issue on this
rule debate. For the first time in 4 years, we are debating an
appropriations bill that affects hundreds of millions of Americans
related to homeland security, and we are allowing every side to bring
amendments down to the floor and to discuss those issues.
This is a critical moment. No matter how many times the folks on the
left want to come forward and obfuscate or change the subject, that's
fine, we can have those debates. And we will continue to have those
debates. But we are
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debating today a rule that will allow this body, in an open fashion for
the first time in anyone's memory, to debate an open rule on homeland
security. If you have an amendment that is germane to the bill, bring
it. If it is found worthy, it will pass. This is the process that we
used in committee, and it worked. We produced a good piece of
legislation that will provide for the security of the homeland.
We have an opportunity today to seriously debate the topic that is
before us on homeland security. No matter how many times the left
attempts to change the subject from what we are talking about, we know
that the homeland security of our country, protecting us from
terrorism, is a critical issue and we will debate it, no matter how
many times the left tries to stop us.
Mr. POLIS. The gentleman mentioned the open rule. The open rule
itself is largely noncontroversial with strong support from both sides
of the aisle.
What is contained in this rule is the broadest sweeping policy change
in recent history, namely, the elimination of Medicare. That is the
controversial element of this rule, which is deemed and passed by the
rule itself.
With that, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr.
Andrews).
(Mr. ANDREWS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. ANDREWS. Mr. Speaker, for years, working Americans, paycheck
after paycheck, week after week, have paid taxes into the Medicare
trust fund. And after they paid those taxes, this country made a
promise to them that Medicare's guaranteed benefits would be there for
them for the rest of their life. The issue before the House today is
whether we honor or dishonor that promise.
The Republican plan to abandon Medicare abandons those guaranteed
benefits. The Republican plan to abandon Medicare says that rather than
seniors and their doctors deciding what care the seniors should get,
private health insurance companies make that decision.
Part of the promise of Medicare was that health care would be
reasonably affordable to our seniors and retirees. The Republican plan
to abandon Medicare violates that promise. It raises the out-of-pocket
cost of health care for our seniors by $6,000 a year.
We agree that Medicare needs improvement and that Medicare outlays
need to be restrained. That's why we support giving the Medicare
administration the same authority to negotiate prescription drug prices
that the VA has, instead of just paying whatever the drug companies
demand.
The issue in this vote is not simply the value of Medicare; the issue
in this vote is whether Americans can value the promise that we made to
them in the future. Vote against this rule; vote to honor the promise
of Medicare.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, I would like to clarify for the record again
that this proposed resolution that we are debating, this rule on
Homeland Security appropriations, that is Homeland Security funding, it
is but a simple resolution. It is not law. It will not become law. That
is clearly articulated in the parliamentary guide entitled ``How Our
Laws Are Made'' on pages 8 and 9.
So I again feel compelled to clarify the record to assure that this
rule will not end Medicare. And even as our budget clearly states,
Medicare under our budget will be saved. Not one senior on Medicare
will be impacted by any action in that budget.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POLIS. Again, I have to disagree with my friend from New York. I
have never seen in my 3 years on the Rules Committee such a broad and
sweeping deem-and-pass under a rule. Section 2 of the rule clearly
states that the House Concurrent Resolution 34 shall have force and
effect. Again ``force and effect,'' the traditional language of
something that is deemed and passed under a rule. The mere passage of
this rule will deem and pass the end of Medicare as we know it as
contained in House Concurrent Resolution 34, the Republican budget.
I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson
Lee).
Ms. JACKSON LEE of Texas. I thank the distinguished manager of this
rule, and I certainly thank Members who are on the floor of the House.
Mr. Speaker, we are in the baseball season and you can imagine a
throng of teeming audience, and they are watching pitch one, pitch two,
pitch three; and it is strike one, strike two and strike three.
The winning side, the Republicans, of course, cheer; but the American
people lose. They're out. They're struck out. Medicare is gone as we
know it. Let's not fool around. Let's not try to have smoke and
mirrors.
This rule ends Medicare as we know it. We don't have to play games.
The debt relief that was put on the floor ends Medicare as we know it.
And this bill on homeland security is tone deaf to the words of the
late Osama bin Laden who said that we're looking at your airports,
we're looking at your airlines, and we're looking at your rail. This
Homeland Security appropriations bill cuts all of the necessary
security that is necessary to protect the American people.
First we throw out the seniors on Medicare; then we don't allow for
TSO inspectors. We cut FEMA dollars in the face of Joplin and
Birmingham and Tuscaloosa. In my own State, there are fires that are
burning right now, and we're telling FEMA that we don't have enough
money to provide for you. Did you see the story on the news that
indicated that firefighters were left watching a man drown--drown--
because they had to cut the rescue team of that community? People were
crying. Firefighters, whose first job is to be a first responder,
denied because they don't have the funding to be able to help the
people that they serve.
I tell you to vote ``no'' on this rule. Strike out those folks, and
let the American people win.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, may I inquire of the Chair how much time both
sides have.
The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York has 4 minutes remaining. The
gentleman from Colorado has 5\1/2\ minutes remaining.
Mr. REED. I yield 1 minute to my good friend, the gentleman from
Georgia (Mr. Woodall).
Mr. WOODALL. Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to say that this is a serious
topic that we are talking about here today, the Homeland Security
appropriations bill. When you pass a responsible budget, as we did here
in the House, you've got to make tough choices. I learned here as a
freshman that we do these 10-year budget plans, but only year one
matters because then the next Congress comes back and does year two and
year three and year four. So the only serious decisions that we are
making in this budget is what happens in year one, and that's the
Homeland Security appropriations bill that is before us here today. How
are we going to fund Homeland Security for year one?
And we are down here talking about all of these ancillary issues; and
I tell you, this one's important. This one's important. This one's
happening. This isn't smoke and mirrors 10 years down the road. This is
happening today. The Appropriations Committee has worked long and hard
to craft the best delicate balance that they could.
Mr. Speaker, 42 cents out of every dollar we're borrowing. Folks talk
about we don't have any money. That's not a state of mind; that's a
fact.
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It's a fact. And we cannot afford to shortchange the work that we're
doing on the Homeland Security appropriations bill on these--I can't
think of a kind word to say.
I'm not going to say anything at all, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. POLIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from
Florida (Mr. Deutch).
Mr. DEUTCH. I thank the gentleman from Colorado.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to this rule.
From the retirees that I serve in south Florida to the middle class
families of western New York, the American people have overwhelmingly
rejected the reckless Republican budget.
The Republican budget ends Medicare and replaces it with a coupon, a
coupon that fails to even approach the cost of private health
insurance. It guts Medicaid, depended on by millions of impoverished
children, nursing home patients, seniors who need home health services,
and disabled Americans. Its hatchet job on our budget will destroy
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2.1 million jobs when we cannot afford higher unemployment.
This plan is opposed by the Senate, the President, and, most
importantly, the American people. Yet today Republicans will vote to
deem and pass the Ryan budget.
The distinguished Rules Committee chairman, who decried deem and pass
during the health care reform debate and claimed ``process is
substance,'' has apparently had a stunning change of heart. We were
told that using deem and pass to extend health care coverage to the
uninsured is an abomination. Apparently, we learned today it should be
reserved for slashing benefits to seniors.
I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on this rule. The American people
want a bipartisan budget that responsibly reduces the deficit, creates
new jobs, and protects Medicare and Medicaid for disabled and elderly
Americans. Not this Republican budget.
Mr. REED. I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POLIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from
California (Mr. Garamendi).
(Mr. GARAMENDI asked and was given permission to revise and extend
his remarks.)
Mr. GARAMENDI. The distinguished chair of the Budget Committee spoke
here a few minutes ago. He spoke about a moral obligation.
An interesting definition of ``moral obligation'': An obligation to
maintain the benefits that the insurance industry has; an obligation to
maintain the subsidy that the American taxpayers give to the richest
industry in this world, the oil industry, billions of dollars a year;
an obligation to maintain the tax benefits to the wealthiest
millionaires and billionaires in the world. Apparently, that's his
definition of a moral obligation.
We have a different definition on our side of the aisle. We have a
definition on our side of the aisle that says it is the obligation of
this society to provide medical care to our seniors. Our Republican
colleagues see their moral obligation as terminating, ending, Medicare
for all Americans who are not yet 55 years of age.
Say it any way you want, but that's precisely what your budget does.
It terminates Medicare. Is that your moral obligation?
It's not ours on our side. Our side is to maintain the promise that
when a senior in the United States becomes 65 years of age, they will
have Medicare.
Our good chairman comes and he says we're not cutting benefits for
seniors. That's not true. In fact, you're cutting $700 billion out of
the Medicaid--Medicaid--program, a program where two-thirds of the
money goes to seniors who are in nursing homes.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Schock). The time of the gentleman has
expired.
Mr. POLIS. I yield the gentleman an additional 15 seconds.
Mr. GARAMENDI. Thank you.
You say it's a moral obligation to cut $500 billion out of the health
care bill? No way. That was money that came out of a subsidy to the
insurance companies. And you say it's a moral obligation to leave the
insurance companies alone so they can continue their rapaciousness
against the people of America.
Mr. REED. I continue to reserve the balance of my time, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. POLIS. I yield myself the balance of my time.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Colorado is recognized
for 2\1/4\ minutes.
Mr. POLIS. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
In addition to moving forward the Homeland Security bill under an
open rule--which would have strong bipartisan support, and I praise my
colleagues on the Rules Committee and hope that this is the first of
many open rules. In addition to moving forward the Homeland Security
bill under the rule, this rule includes language ``deeming'' the Ryan
budget passed. That's right. We're voting once again on the same plan
that the American people resoundingly rejected in last week's special
election in New York.
If this rule passes, the Ryan budget, which ends Medicare, will
become the final, enforceable budget on the House side until a
conference report is adopted, which is unlikely to happen in this
Congress, especially if the House Republicans continue to insist on the
end of Medicare as a condition of passing a final budget. A ``yes''
vote on this rule is a ``yes'' vote on the Ryan plan and a ``yes'' vote
to eliminate Medicare.
Now, this is the sixth time in 36 years that the House and Senate
will fail to adopt a budget, and the House has used deeming resolutions
in the past. However, never has a deeming resolution been used for such
a tremendous policy change, namely, the elimination of Medicare.
As then-Minority Leader John Boehner said, ``This legislative trick
has been around for a long time, but it's never been used for a bill so
controversial and so massive in scope.''
Now that, Mr. Speaker, was in reference to the Democratic efforts
last session to pass the Affordable Care Act. The deem and pass was not
used at the end of the day to pass that bill; yet here we are in the
112th Congress with the Republicans seeking to use it to end Medicare.
And, yes, no bones about it, we are talking about ending Medicare.
According to the Congressional Budget Office, and our bipartisan
study group has confirmed, a typical beneficiary would spend more for
health care under the proposal than under the Congressional Budget
Office's long-term scenarios. Second, the government's contribution
would grow more slowly than health care costs, leaving more for
beneficiaries to pay.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, we are talking about the elimination of Medicare
under this rule. Not even under a bill with debate on both sides. Not
even amendable. A rule is not amendable. Although this rule provides
for debate of the Homeland Security bill, which will be fair and allow
amendments to be put forth by both parties under it, the rule itself,
Mr. Speaker, is not amendable. It's immutable, unchangeable, and, if
passed by this body of the House of Representatives, will deem a budget
passed that eliminates Medicare for the American people.
I urge a ``no'' vote on the rule, and I also will be opposing the
underlying bill.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
We have had a spirited debate on the floor of this Chamber over this
rule. I applaud that debate because that's what the American people
sent us here to do, which is to have the debate in an open process on
TV in front of the American people. And that's what this rule does.
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This rule is a true open rule where any Member of this Chamber--
Democrat or Republican--can come down and submit an amendment, debate
it in front of the American people, and have it voted on by each and
every Member of this House so that this House will speak its will. I
applaud our Speaker for accomplishing that clear goal he set out.
But as we have this debate, Mr. Speaker, I remind all my colleagues
that America also sent us a message last November that we need to be
honest with the American people. It means that we do not play games in
this Chamber. And nothing could be further from the truth than the
constant arguments that we had to stand up and clarify that this rule
kills Medicare as we know it.
This rule has no legal effect. This rule will not be presented to the
President for signature and become law of the land. And mind you, the
reference to the House Republican budget, the ``Paul Ryan'' budget, the
provision that has been talked about here to great extent clearly
states that it is the policy of this Chamber, the policy as set forth
in that budget, that all those on Medicare will not be impacted by that
budget. All those seniors who are within 10 years of retiring and
becoming eligible for Medicare will not be impacted by that budget.
We are acting in a responsible manner on this side of the aisle. And
we are dealing with dire times. I was a little disappointed that we
didn't have a more spirited debate on the actual substance of the rule
that guides the bill upon which it applies, and that is the Homeland
Security appropriations bill.
We live in dire fiscal times in the United States of America. And
we're going to be honest with the American people: We have to make some
tough choices. But this should send a message
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to every man, woman, and child in America that the days of reckless
spending have caught up to us because we do have to have the debate of
where we're going to cut. And we are talking about cuts in the areas of
homeland security. We better wake up as a body and as a Chamber and
recognize that if we don't get our fiscal house in order not only will
we jeopardize our national security, we will go bankrupt. That ends
America as we know it. And also, it will destroy the American market
that we are trying to ignite in our private sector because if we do not
send a message that we've got our fiscal house in order, then people
are not going to invest in America, and that will not put people back
to work and put people back onto a payroll.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to support the rule and the
underlying bill.
I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the previous question
on the resolution.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on ordering the previous
question.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. POLIS. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX, further
proceedings on this question will be postponed.
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