[Congressional Record Volume 157, Number 29 (Tuesday, March 1, 2011)]
[House]
[Pages H1429-H1436]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
THE DOCTORS CAUCUS
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Griffith of Virginia). Under the
Speaker's announced policy of January 5, 2011, the gentleman from
Georgia (Mr. Gingrey) is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of
the majority leader.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I thank you, and I thank Speaker
Boehner and my leadership for giving me an opportunity and my
colleagues an opportunity during this next hour to talk about something
that, yes, indeed, is still fresh on everybody's minds.
That is, of course, the passage on March 23, 2010, almost a year ago
now, of something that some might affectionately refer to as ObamaCare,
I guess officially we would say the Patient Protection and Affordable
Care Act. Some people struggle with the acronym of PAPA Care. Whatever
you call it, this health care reform act that was passed last year is
something that a preponderance of the American people have been and
continue to be opposed to.
Mr. Speaker, as the designee of the majority, I am taking this
opportunity during this hour to talk a little bit more specifically
about why we feel the way we feel, why the American people--why our
constituents--keep telling us even a year later they are still worried
about it and are opposed to it after President Obama signed the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act into law. I think the bill number
was 3590. That's what we're going to be spending our time on here in
the next hour. We will be discussing that issue.
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I have a number of my colleagues, Mr. Speaker, who are members of the
GOP House Doctors Caucus. Now, in that Doctors Caucus, we have all
health care providers--not all M.D.s, a lot of M.D.s, but we also have
some dentists. We have a clinical Ph.D. psychologist, and now, with our
new freshman class, we have three registered nurses on our side of the
aisle, Mr. Speaker. So the Republican GOP Doctors Caucus is growing,
growing almost double in the 112th Congress as compared to the 111th.
So many of my colleagues in the Doctors Caucus will be part of this
discussion.
I would like to point out to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle
a couple of slides before yielding time to the other members of the
Doctors Caucus. This first slide that I'm pointing out to you--GOP
Doctors Caucus, of course--``ObamaCare hurts States and patients.''
I know that a lot of the discussion today will be about the strain
that certain provisions of this bill place on our 50 States, not just
my home State of Georgia. I do want to talk a little bit about that and
the strain that my Governor and the members of the Georgia General
Assembly are experiencing in trying to balance a budget when they have
all this added requirement under the sections pertaining to Medicaid.
So that's what I mean when I say in this slide the GOP Doctors Caucus
feels that ObamaCare hurts States, and certainly potentially hurts
patients.
I'd ask my colleagues to also--again, on both sides of the aisle,
because our purpose here is to inform. We're not to be overly critical,
but I think it's very important that we state the facts as we see them,
as we know them.
In this slide a little bit further to my left, ``ObamaCare,'' it
says, if you can't see it, ``You can have whatever you like as long as
the boss approves it.'' And the boss, if you remember from that pretty
popular TV series ``The
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Dukes of Hazard,'' that would be Boss Hogg. Now, if you're wondering
who I'm referencing in regard to ``the boss,'' I'm referencing the
Federal Government, Mr. Speaker, not any individual, but the Federal
Government.
It was said many times in the markup of this bill and the lead-up to
this bill--which, as I say, we call ObamaCare--``You can have whatever
you like as long as the boss approves it.'' And just in this year
alone, the boss--and the boss in this instance happens to be Secretary
Sebelius and the Department of Health and Human Services--has had to
grant--now listen to this, my colleagues--has had to grant 733 waivers
to make sure that this pledge of ``if you like what you have you can
keep it''; otherwise, without those waivers, you couldn't--733 of them.
So this is what we're going to talk about tonight, and I thank my
colleagues for being on the floor and joining with me.
At this point, one of the members of the GOP Doctors Caucus, in his
second term, a gastroenterologist of a number of years practicing in
Louisiana, my good friend, Representative and Doctor Bill Cassidy.
Mr. CASSIDY. Thank you, Dr. Gingrey.
Now, Dr. Gingrey, I'm struck. Sometimes folks think that when we
speak about health care, we're only speaking about health care. That
seems kind of a simplistic statement. But let's think about it.
Right now, States are having these huge budget crises. We see in
Wisconsin where there's a protest. We see in some States where there
may be as much as a $10 billion budget deficit. In my State of
Louisiana, there is a $1 billion to $2 billion budget deficit. And if
you think about this a little bit deeply, you understand that this can
be related to health care.
Now, specifically, for Medicaid. Medicaid, for those watching who are
unfamiliar with it, is a combined program in which the State puts up
some money and the Federal Government puts up some of the money, and
with this it is used to care for the elderly, for pregnant women, for
children, typically people of low income. Well, as it turns out, it is
this program which is bankrupting the States. In a State, if you're
paying this amount for health care and this amount for roads and this
amount for education, as the amount for health care increases, you
either raise taxes or you decrease spending on the other areas. Now, as
it turns out, this has had tremendous impact.
Today, the Governor of Massachusetts came and spoke to one of our
committees regarding the impact of their health care program, which is
very similar to the bill just passed last Congress, in Massachusetts,
and I was struck by what a nice view he gave. If you heard Governor
Patrick speak--I didn't have a chance to ask him questions, but if you
heard him speak, there's no problems with it whatsoever. But as I
logged on and, say, read the Boston Globe, I learned different things.
First, I learned that Massachusetts, which has already implemented a
program like this, the amount of money spent on health care has gone
from 21 percent of the State budget in the year 2000 to 37 percent now.
So from 21 percent to 37 percent is the amount the State of
Massachusetts is now spending on health care. Well, you can only
imagine the crowd-out effect that has on spending for other issues.
Well, the Governor again, as he went on and praised their program,
said that there has been no problems paying for it. Well, as it turns
out, and according to the paper, there's about a $1.5 billion to $2
billion shortfall in the Massachusetts budget. And in Massachusetts,
the Governor of Massachusetts has said that the Medicaid spending is
unsustainable. Hmm, that's different. So this is, if you will, the beta
version of the Affordable Care Act--or as I call it, the unaffordable
care act. This is the beta version of it, but it gives us an idea of
what our future is going to be like.
Now, in order to deal with these costs--again, I'm quoting the
Globe--it says that ``most recently dental benefits have been slashed
for hundreds of thousands of Massachusetts Medicaid patients and they
have lost access to their dentists.''
Now, by the way, the goals of health care reform are to provide
affordable, quality health care that is accessible to all; but if you
can't afford it, you eventually lose access. And I think what we found
in Massachusetts is that the inability to afford is, of course,
decreasing access. And it's not just the fact that these folks lost
access to their dentists. Last year, folks who are recent immigrants to
the United States who have been enrolled upon Medicaid in Massachusetts
were disenrolled. So, if you will, this Massachusetts Medicaid program
that has grown from 21 percent of the Massachusetts budget to 37
percent and still growing, now the cost is being controlled by denying
access.
Now, we also mentioned a third goal of health care reform, which is
quality care. You know, there's actually now concerns about the quality
of health care afforded by Medicaid. If you will, there's a study
recently reported in the Archives of Surgery in which someone looked at
the outcomes of patients covered by Medicaid, Medicare, private
insurance, or uninsured. As it turns out, they say, of all four groups,
the cost and length of stay associated with Medicaid was longer than
the rest.
Also, mortality rates--now, that's a way to say how many people die.
Mortality rates associated with uninsured, Medicare, private insurance,
and Medicaid was highest for Medicaid. So if you had Medicaid, you had
a higher death rate from your hospitalization than if you're on private
insurance, if you're on Medicare, and if you're uninsured.
Now, it's so counterintuitive that being on Medicaid is worse than
being uninsured in terms of outcomes. Clearly, this is an issue that
has to be studied further, but it certainly calls into question the
very premise of using Medicaid as the basis for health care reform.
Just to make a point, under the Affordable Care Act--or the
unaffordable care act--many people are insured; 20 million Americans
are put on Medicaid as a way for them to be now insured.
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And yet if we see that it's bankrupting States, it's clearly not
affordable. If we see that because it's not affordable States are now
denying access to care, as is the case in Massachusetts, and the care
that is provided is of problematic quality, we can say to ourselves
that this is not the basis for reform. It's like the antithesis of
reform.
So I will yield back to you, Dr. Gingrey, just pointing out that this
not only involves health care but also involves our ability as a State
to afford other things, like roads and education. And to use that State
government-Federal Government program as a basis for reform does not
serve patients, does not serve the States.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. I thank the gentleman from Louisiana, Mr.
Speaker.
At this time, I want to yield a little bit of time to our colleague,
a freshmen Member, a new member of the Doctors Caucus, a registered
nurse from the great State of North Carolina, Renee Ellmers.
Representative Ellmers has worked in a medical practice with her
husband, who is an M.D., and we look forward to her comments.
And at this time, I yield as much time as she may use to Renee
Ellmers.
Mrs. ELLMERS. Thank you.
I'd like to just contribute a little bit more on the overall burden
that ObamaCare places on our States in covering patients on Medicaid.
As we've seen, this has grown, especially with the recession and the
undue costs to our States' budgets to provide Medicaid at no cost
sharing from the patients. I think that this is a key issue. It's
basically free health care for those individuals at taxpayer expense.
And it's just a huge strain on our States' budgets, as my colleague has
pointed out.
One of the key factors--and very important, certainly very important
in health care--are the preventative mandates. Certainly preventative
medicine is a way that we can all heal, that we can all be looking for
those issues that can down the road prevent excessive costs. But such
things as no copays or deductibles for colonoscopies, mammograms, such
things like this is there again, an undue cost to our States at
taxpayer expense. It's just too much of a burden.
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You know, I want to help everyone. I think that everyone should be
able to have health care. As we know, if you pull up to an emergency
room in any hospital across the country, you will receive health care.
So the misnomer that there are those individuals who are not receiving
health care is really an untrue statement.
Now, of course, you're going to receive a bill for that care. And I
think that just as if you go to the grocery store and you have your
cart full of groceries when you check out, you have to pay for it. It's
the same thing with health care. Health care is a business, and someone
has to pay for it.
But when we continuously pass this cost on to our taxpayers and, of
course, our State budgets, it is just unbelievably difficult; and, of
course, that is what ObamaCare does. It increases the number of
patients on Medicaid, and it is just an unsustainable cost.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. If the gentlelady would let me reclaim my
time for just a second, and then I will yield back to her.
Colleagues, look at this first slide again, the heading, ``Who Is the
Boss?'' And of course we've already talked about Boss Hogg. And I said
at the outset, the Federal Government is the boss. But there are one,
two, three, four, five bullet points under that. And this is really
what Representative Ellmers is referring to in regard to the Federal
Government putting all of these mandates onto the State budgets.
159 new boards, agencies, and commissions created by ObamaCare to
support the boss, the government--159 new boards. Sixteen thousand new
IRS agents help the boss, the government, enforce the new law. That's a
report from the House Ways and Means Committee.
The Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, under
this law, this 2,400-page monstrosity, is given broad new powers to run
ObamaCare--rulemaking, regulatory authority. No wonder the doctors and
their patients are scared to death.
And then, of course, the new Director of CMS, the Committee on
Medicare and Medicaid Services, Dr. Donald Berwick, a brilliant man, a
Harvard-trained doctor, M.D., written several books. Unfortunately, in
those books, Mr. Speaker, he talks about rationing of care. This is a
paraphrase of a quote: It's not if we ration; it's how we ration.
And, again, these are the things that we have great fear of.
The CBO actually, in this last bullet point, Congressional Budget
Office, nonpartisan, says it will cost between $5 billion and $10
billion just to hire all of these new employees needing to help the
boss, the government, run ObamaCare.
Mrs. ELLMERS. I would like to expand on some of the points that
you're making there.
We're basically talking about the same issues, and we can see what an
increase in costs this is going to be and how incredibly difficult it
would be to put this in place. And, you know, this isn't yet another
situation where the good intentions and well-meaning intentions that
are put forward to help this situation are just truly not the answer.
You know, basically, how do we increase the access to health care
coverage? Medicaid is not the route to take. There again, it passes too
much cost on to our States and it is not--it is an imperfect situation.
And I'll expand a little bit on the Congressional Budget Office
numbers.
Very conservative estimates indicate Federal spending for Medicaid is
expected to reach $427 billion by 2019. And the Congressional Budget
Office notes the program will consume more than 4 percent of GDP by
2050.
You know, one of the unintended consequences to this--you know, we
were talking about some of these bad situations, poor outcomes. One of
the things that we're seeing right now, unfortunately, in health care
as we move into this transition into ObamaCare is the decrease in
Medicaid reimbursements to physicians. They're not very good to begin
with, and I would say that that's probably going to decrease to doctors
and hospitals as we decrease the reimbursement to hospitals especially.
This will basically--we were talking about the possibility of
rationing of care and knowing that this is down the line and the
quotes, of course, that we see from Centers for Medicare & Medicaid.
But basically what we're seeing here is that physicians will be forced
to have to stop taking Medicaid patients.
As we all know, physician offices are businesses. They're small
business owners. They have staff that they have to pay. They have
payroll that they have to meet. And, unfortunately, when faced with a
situation like this--we're already seeing it with Medicare as well;
physicians, you know, having to dial back on the number of Medicare and
Medicaid patients that they're seeing. This ultimately will not help
the situation and get that health care for the American public that
we're looking for.
If this is the answer--well, let's just say it's not the answer.
We're creating another problem with this solution. And once again, how
will we deal with that down the road, with these incredibly large
numbers of costs that we're passing on to our taxpayers?
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, again, I
thank the gentlewoman from North Carolina and hope she'll stay with us
during the remaining portion of the hour, and I'd like to yield
additional time to her later in the hour.
At this time, I would like to yield to another freshman Member,
another physician Member, Mr. Speaker, and also I'm proud that he is a
member now of the House GOP Doctors Caucus. And I will yield time now
to my good friend from Indiana, Dr. Larry Bucshon.
Mr. BUCSHON. Thank you, Dr. Gingrey.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to talk about how ObamaCare will hurt my
State and ultimately hurt my patients. And I would like to start with
an example of the Medicaid program.
As a cardiothoracic surgeon in Evansville, Indiana, I see a lot of
patients from neighboring States because we're right in the corner next
to Illinois and Kentucky.
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Many of these patients are Medicaid patients and, without treatment,
face grave results. However, every year the Illinois Medicaid program
runs out of money in September, October. They don't have enough money
to fund the entire year. And what does that mean? That means that
without denying any patients care that they need and deserve, my
practice was forced to delay billing to the Medicaid system of
Illinois. And then once the new fiscal year came into play, about 50
percent of those claims were subsequently denied by Illinois Medicaid.
So those patients that came over for our services, they don't have
quality health insurance, Mr. Speaker.
Some physicians in my community don't even bother to bill the
Medicaid program in some States at all. This is an example of the
broken Medicaid system, a system that has many issues focusing on the
access to quality health care. And it was said earlier you see the
outcome difference between Medicaid and private insurance patients
because we have an access and quality problem with these patients, a
system that ObamaCare will break even more by adding millions of
Americans to the States' Medicaid rolls. It's estimated that this may
cost the State of Indiana as much as $3.6 billion to cover these folks.
From Indiana we have an innovative and effective solution, and that's
called the Healthy Indiana Plan. Beginning in January 2008, uninsured
Hoosiers between the ages of 19 and 64 started enrolling in this plan,
a consumer-driven health care plan. The Healthy Indiana Plan operates
on an 1115 demonstration waiver from CMS, the Center for Medicare and
Medicaid Services. Due to the program's success, the State of Indiana
would like to use the Healthy Indiana Plan as a coverage vehicle for
the newly eligible population under ObamaCare. This has been requested
by my State Department of Health and Human Services, but to this point
we have not heard a response about whether this will be possible. And I
am hoping that we get a response in the positive direction because this
is a great program.
The plan is for citizens that earn less than 200 percent of the
Federal poverty level and works on a sliding scale for individual
contributions, based on the ability to pay, that cannot exceed more
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than 5 percent of his or her gross family income. Each participant is
enrolled in a health savings account valued at about $1,100, and will
not make copays except for non-emergency use of the emergency room. And
believe it or not, this program reimburses providers at a Medicare, not
Medicaid, level. This gives citizens a financial incentive to adopt
healthy lifestyles and personal responsibility to make their own health
care decisions.
Healthy Indiana Plan is an innovative, market-based, consumer-driven
plan that is working. In a recent survey, 94 percent of Healthy Indiana
Plan participants are satisfied with the program, and 99 percent
indicated they would re-enroll. There is data in the fact sheet that I
have included in the Congressional Record showing the success of this
plan both for patients and for the State of Indiana.
It's a commonsense, market-based solution to a broken Medicaid system
that ObamaCare does nothing to fix, but only further burdens my State,
and all States, and will ultimately continue to hurt patients' access
to quality health care in America. So I would urge everyone to review
what the State of Indiana has done with its Healthy Indiana Plan.
With that, Dr. Gingrey, I thank you.
The Healthy Indiana Plan is a consumer-driven health care
plan for uninsured Hoosiers between the ages of 19-64. The
program began enrollment in January 2008, and operates under
an 1115 demonstration waiver from the Centers for Medicare
and Medicaid services (CMS). During the first two years of
the program, HIP served 61,797 Hoosiers.
who is covered?
HIP is for uninsured Hoosier adults between the ages of 19-
64. Parents or caretaker relatives of children in the Hoosier
Healthwise (CHIP) program are likely candidates for HIP.
Eligibility Requirements: 1. Earn less than 200% of the
federal poverty level (FPL). A single adult earning less than
$20,000 or families of four earning less than $40,000 likely
meet the basic financial requirements. 2. No access to
employer sponsored health insurance coverage. 3. Uninsured
for the previous six months.
plan structure
A POWER (Health Savings Account) Account valued at $1,100
per adult. Contributions to the account are made by the State
and each participant (based on ability to pay). No
participant pays more than 5% of his/her gross family income.
Sliding scale for individual contributions (based on % of
gross family income): 0-100% FPL: 2%; 100%-125% FPL: 3%;
125%-150% FPL: 4%; 150%-200% FPL: 4.5%-5% (Caretaker
relatives/parental adults in this income bracket contribute
4.5%, and the childless adults contribute 5%).
No co-pays except for non emergency use of the ED.
Providers are reimbursed at Medicare, not Medicaid, rates.
Plan Benefits
A basic commercial benefits package, once annual medical
costs exceed $1,100.
Coverage for preventive services up to $500 a year at no
cost to participants.
Services include: physician services, prescriptions,
diagnostic exams, home health services, outpatient hospital,
inpatient hospital, hospice, preventive services, family
planning, and case and disease management.
Mental health coverage is similar to coverage for physical
health, and includes substance abuse treatment, inpatient,
outpatient, and drugs.
HIP does not cover vision or dental. HIP also does not
cover pregnancy services, as these services are available
through the existing Medicaid program.
Why a POWER (HSA) Account?
Personal Wellness and Responsibility (POWER) Accounts give
participants a financial incentive to adopt healthy behaviors
that keep them out of the doctor's office. When they do seek
health care, participants will seek price and quality
transparency so they can make value conscious decisions.
If all age and gender appropriate preventive services are
completed, all (State and individual) remaining POWER Account
funds will rollover to offset the following year's
contribution. If preventive services are not completed, only
the individual's prorated contribution (not the State's
portion) to the account rolls over.
Program Results & Personal Responsibility
HIP members, in general, have demonstrated the personal
responsibility emphasized by the program.
Lower ER Use: Some HIP members do not make POWER account
contributions due to CMS income-counting guidelines. HIP
members required to make POWER account contributions: 9%
decrease in ER use in 3 months; 15% decrease in ER use after
6 months. HIP members not required to make POWER account
contributions: Initial 5% decline in ER use after 3 months;
no additional decline in ER use.
High Generic Drug Utilization:
HIP generic drug utilization: 80%; comparable commercial
population: 65%.
High Use of Preventative Care: 76% of HIP members received
their required annual physical in the first year of the
program. Use of preventive services was significantly higher
than the traditional Medicaid population in Indiana: 445.4
well care visits per 1,000 (HIP caretaker adults); 281.8 well
care visits per 1,000 (HIP childless adults); 195.2 well care
visits per 1,000 (Indiana Medicaid adults).
Strong Personal Responsibility: 97% of members made their
required POWER account contributions during program year one.
Individuals can be removed from the program for failure to
make POWER Account contributions within 45 days. Once removed
from the program, an individual may not re-enroll for 12
months.
High Member Satisfaction: 94% of HIP participants surveyed
said they are satisfied with the program, and 99% of
respondents indicated that they would re-enroll in the
program.
Impact of the Affordable Care Act
The Affordable Care Act maintenance of effort requirements
turned HIP into an entitlement program for adults. Despite
funding limitations (HIP was funded through an increase in
the cigarette tax), the State cannot limit the number of
parental enrollees. Therefore, the State is not currently
enrolling childless adults on the wait list.
Due to the success of the program, the State would like to
use HIP as the coverage vehicle for the newly eligible
population. Indiana has asked for direction from CMS (May
letter to Cindy Mann) and has not received any official
guidance.
The success of the program depends on its innovative
market-based, consumer-driven structure. There is concern
about whether or not CMS will allow the program to continue
in its current form.
For more information: www.HIP.in.gov.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. I think, Mr. Speaker, the good doctor is
pointing out some things that our colleagues on both sides of the aisle
and the American people need to understand. This plan that was just
described to us by Representative Bucshon, the Healthy Indiana Plan,
it's so typical of what the States are capable of doing, Mr. Speaker,
if they're allowed to do that.
But we have great concerns, and when I say ``we,'' I am talking about
the governors of all 50 States, be they Republican or Democrat, and the
territories, to be told by the boss, again, that, no, you can't be an
incubation center, you cannot be innovative in regard to developing a
health care plan for those who can't afford to purchase health
insurance on their own and they qualify for safety-net programs like
the Federal-State shared program Medicaid.
And the States, Indiana, my own State of Georgia, Governor Herbert
testified before the Energy and Commerce Committee today in regard to
what he is doing in Utah. In fact, they had already set up exchanges at
the State level 5 or 6 years ago, long before this Patient Protection
Affordable Care Act even was on the drawing board.
But when you have things in the bill, when the boss writes a section
of the bill that says States, it doesn't matter that you have to
balance your budget, we don't at the Federal level, but we're going to
dictate to you that you're going to have to start covering Medicaid
constituency up to 138 percent of the Federal poverty level. We're
going to put that into law. That's part of this new law ObamaCare. And
you have no choice. Now, we're going to give you a little breathing
room, and we're going to say it's not going to start for a couple of
years, indeed January of 2014 you have got to expand your Medicaid
rolls from the typical State covers 100 percent of the Federal poverty
level. This goes up to 138 percent of the Federal poverty level.
And the boss says, well, we'll pay all of it with Federal dollars for
the first couple years, but we're going to phase that out. And then,
oh, yes, guess what happens, the boss adds eventually at the end of the
day $60 billion to State Medicaid costs. And also there is a section in
the bill, Mr. Speaker, that tells the States, and it's called
maintenance of effort, you can't change one thing that you currently do
in your Medicaid program to prepare yourself for this tsunami. If
you're covering today 185 percent of the Federal poverty level, you
can't all of a sudden say, well, gosh, you know, we're going to have to
lower that to 150 percent and put some oats away and get ready for that
real rainy day in 2014.
We heard from another governor today in that hearing--there were
three--Governor Deval Patrick of Massachusetts was one, and Governor
Haley Barbour from Mississippi, Mr.
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Speaker, was the other. And Governor Barbour was saying that a couple
of years ago he instituted a program in the State of Mississippi that
would make sure that people that were on the Medicaid program were
eligible, that they deserved to be there. They weren't eating somebody
else's lunch, as the expression would go. They weren't illegal
immigrants. Their income wasn't too high to make them eligible for this
safety-net program.
And of course, Mr. Speaker, as we all know, thank goodness, income
from year to year can get better. We're still waiting for that to
happen. I think ObamaCare and some of these other policies that we're
seeing over the last 4 years is preventing that from happening. So
Governor Barbour would make people come and face to face verify that
they were still eligible from year to year. As I understand it, this
rule, this maintenance of effort would prohibit--he has already done it
in Mississippi--but in any other State, as an example, to make sure
your rolls were clean and were you covering the people that were
eligible and that really needed that care.
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This is the kind of thing that we are dealing with, and why we are
talking about this tonight and why we are talking about it so
passionately.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to my colleague from Tennessee, Representative
Diane Black, another new Member, a delightful new Member, also assuming
leadership positions and going to do a great job here in the House.
Mrs. BLACK. Thank you.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today as a registered nurse who worked in
emergency rooms and caring for patients. I also rise as a former member
of the Tennessee General Assembly who saw firsthand the devastating
effects of TennCare on our State and was a part of the group, of the
effort, to dismantle it.
Finally, I rise today as a representative of the Sixth District of
Tennessee, where my constituents have told me over and over how they do
not want ObamaCare bankrupting our Nation and getting between them and
the doctor.
Mr. Speaker, I know that the health care industry, and I know that
the new health care law, is not the solution to our problem. Pretty
soon, the health care law will be the problem. I know this because for
many of us in Tennessee, the President's new health care law is like a
bad dream all over again.
And let me tell you what I mean. Tennessee was the pilot project for
universal health care and the experiment was called TennCare. Put
simply, the experiment failed.
After TennCare passed, we watched the cost grow exponentially, and
those of us in the legislature knew that if we did not do something,
TennCare was going to bankrupt our State and, much like ObamaCare, the
sheer size of TennCare was more than government could handle. The
government could not perform all of the functions of the medical
insurance industry. Promises of care and access were made, and promises
were far beyond what our State could possibly do.
It didn't take long before TennCare became riddled with waste and
fraud and abuse. I can remember talking with people who had gone from
doctor to doctor and specialist to specialist using TennCare to fill
more than 50 prescriptions. Yes, 50 prescriptions is what they would
put in front of me and tell me that TennCare was paying for, and it was
all on the taxpayer's dime.
TennCare became the monster that even the creators could not control.
Today, TennCare is gutted, only available to a small group of people,
and Tennessee has been brought back from the brink of bankruptcy.
Last month, Republican Governors wrote to ask the administration to
``waive the bill's costly mandates and grant States the authority to
choose benefit rules that meet the specific needs of their citizens.''
The Governors were asking for commonsense solutions like waiving
provisions that punished consumer-driven plans like the most popular
plan and the cost-effective plan of health care savings accounts. Give
the States the ability to do what States can do best, and that is to
determine what's best for them.
But the President shows no sign of granting States some flexibility
in how they will apply ObamaCare. And only yesterday, President Obama
said he is supporting letting the States propose their own health care
plans by 2014. However, that would be only if he will not change the
mandates for the States in the current law.
So in one side of his speech he says, yes, he will allow some
flexibility. On the other side he says, there still must be certain
mandates.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. If the gentlewoman would yield, it is kind of
like you can keep what you like until you can't. That's what we are
seeing, and that's why, as I pointed out earlier, that 733 waivers,
just this year in 2011, had been grant happened by Secretary Sebelius
to try to fulfill that promise, but they can't do it. They can't keep
up with it. There is a need for a new waiver every day.
Mrs. BLACK. Dr. Gingrey, as you said, States will still be forced to
comply with benefit levels and mandates that are set by Federal
bureaucrats, not by the States themselves. That certainly doesn't give
States rights.
Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius has already
said that if the State were to propose its own plan that they will be
forced to provide comprehensive, comprehensive coverage, and that
coverage will be defined by government. So much for being able to keep
your plan or for the States to make a determination on what plan best
suits them.
Now President Obama wants every State to live through its own version
of TennCare. With ballooning budgets for each State and no way to curb
their health care costs that will cripple the States during a time of
already strapped budgets, it's simply unacceptable.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. I would say it's unconscionable and
unacceptable.
Mrs. BLACK. We averted this disaster in Tennessee by dissolving
TennCare and now, as a Member of Congress, I will work to stop this
financial and fiscal disaster that ObamaCare will bring to our Nation.
This health care law must be replaced, and I believe this House can do
it.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. I thank the gentlewoman from Tennessee. I
failed to mention, of course, that she is also a part of our GOP House
Doctors Caucus and, as she pointed out, a registered nurse for many
years in a great Volunteer State, so we appreciate Representative Black
being with us tonight.
Before I yield to our next speaker I wanted to, Mr. Speaker, go back
to this current chart. I wish I had brought a magic marker. I didn't.
But I circled this, I guess, third bullet point because I think it's
really telling in regard to what's happened at the State level as a
consequence of the provisions of ObamaCare.
And this bullet point says the boss, the Government, the boss
prohibits 16 million patients from buying private insurance by trapping
them in Medicaid, and that's really what they have done, Mr. Speaker.
By expanding the Medicaid eligibility from 100 percent of Federal
poverty to 138, that means that a lot of the folks out there today who
are uninsured can't afford health insurance; they are not eligible,
they are not poor enough, if you will, to be eligible for their safety
net program known as Medicaid.
In the Federal Government, the boss comes along with this idea of
letting people buy their health insurance in an exchange in each State,
maybe over the Internet. If they are low income, then they get a
Federal subsidy, not a Federal-State subsidy, but a Federal subsidy.
Well, clearly as the Democratic majority and President Obama were
crafting this thing, they figured out, well, you know, if we can shift
more of these people into the Medicaid program where the States have to
pick up some of the tab, then we will get them off our back. You know,
we will lower the cost. We will make this thing work.
Unfortunately, the poor States, and they are poor, all have to
balance their budgets, and the Federal Government doesn't. That's why
we owe $13.4 trillion, and now they are even talking about us wanting
to raise the debt ceiling so we can borrow some more money. It's a
smoke and mirrors game, maybe even a Ponzi scheme, in my opinion, Mr.
Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, at this time, I want to yield to another member of our
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House Doctors Caucus, the gentleman from west Tennessee. I don't know
whether the area is called Pell Mell or Pall Mall--maybe he will
describe it to us when he stands to speak--but I am talking about a
fine physician, a family practitioner, Dr. Scott DesJarlais.
Mr. DesJARLAIS. Thank you, Dr. Gingrey. I hail from Marion County,
which is South Pittsburg, would be the hometown.
Before coming to Congress I had the opportunity to serve the people
in Tennessee as a primary care physician. In 1994 Tennessee embarked on
an experiment with the Medicaid program, which became known as
TennCare. Unfortunately, it never accomplished its goal of improving on
the flawed Medicaid system.
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To the contrary, it became a breeding ground for waste, fraud, abuse
and inefficiency. I witnessed the frustration of my patients, my staff
and myself as we struggled to combat this bureaucratic web that forced
us to spend time navigating administrative hurdles rather than focusing
on quality care.
Another problem that rapidly evolved was over-utilization of the
system. Often, only one family member was ill, but other family members
were requesting to be seen simply because it was more convenient than
making other arrangements for the non-ill member, such as children, to
be cared for elsewhere. This also became, and continues to be, a
problem in the emergency rooms. There is no cost difference to the
patients, so there is no disincentive to utilize the ER for nonemergent
care. In fact, this is a national problem, with up to 80 percent of ER
visits being deemed nonemergent. This leads to much longer wait times
in emergency rooms for those patients who are critically ill. It should
also be noted that ER visits are obviously much more expensive than
office visits, further driving up the cost unnecessarily.
A simple solution to improving the problem of over-utilization would
be implementing a nominal copay system in which office visits cost
something like $5 per visit and ER visits might cost $20. This simple
step would likely have far-reaching effects to reduce costs, over-
utilization, and thus increase availability of care for those who need
it. We should see TennCare as a warning of the many problems that a
government-run health care model creates.
There are certainly issues with our Nation's health care system that
need to be addressed, and the GOP Doctors Caucus has no shortage of
good ideas on how to make health care more affordable and expand
coverage. But what we stand firm in saying is that ObamaCare is not the
answer to the problem, but, rather, it creates an even bigger problem.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. I thank the gentleman from Tennessee, and I
thank him for making sure that I know exactly what county and counties
he represents. I know it's a great State and a great part of the State,
and we are very proud of the good doctor.
At this time, I want to yield to another freshman member of their
class of 87 strong. It's a fantastic class, Mr. Speaker. We are awfully
proud of each and every one of the new Members, but especially those
who have that health care background, that experience to come to this
body, to this Chamber and to this town and bring some professional
expertise. We don't have all the answers, Mr. Speaker. And I'm proud of
these physician colleagues of mine because they're not know-it-alls,
but they know what they know and they know it well.
At this point, I would like to yield time to the gentlewoman from New
York, an ophthalmologist, Dr. Nan Hayworth.
Ms. HAYWORTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I observed, sir, that you have brought a sign to the floor that talks
about stealing America's liberty. One of the fundamental problems that
I perceive, and I'm not alone in this, but in this entire scheme, if
you will, that is represented by the Affordable Care Act, as it has
been called, is that there was a failure to understand the very nature
of American medical care. When it's at its best, and we recognize--
every colleague of mine, all of my Republican and medical colleagues
have also appreciated certainly that we want to see all Americans have
access to good, affordable care and to have affordable, portable health
insurance. That's not in dispute. So we honor those goals. But the
means by which the ACA endeavors to achieve those goals go against the
grain of the American culture. Our culture is one that has always
allowed us to choose, that has allowed us to pursue, in terms of our
medical care, the very best that the world has to offer in terms of
innovation and quality, motivation, incentive to invent and to do
better. The American medical consumer, our patients, expect no less
than the best, nor should they receive anything less than the best.
That's a very different way of thinking about care in a consumer
society than is the case in so many other systems around the world that
were cited as exemplars when the ACA was being formulated. We do not
have, I can tell you from my experience with patients who have had
care, who have lived in Europe for variable periods of time, some
Americans who have spent sojourns in Europe because of business
obligations and working with colleagues from Europe, historically it is
rather a different model than we have here. American doctors are
accustomed to jumping and doing and doing all they can and doing it
fast, and my colleagues can certainly attest to that.
It's a little bit different sometimes overseas. They have a different
kind of medical culture. Patients don't expect quite as much. It's not
the same sort of thing that we have here. And indeed, that is consonant
with the fact that there isn't any other country's dream necessarily as
there is an American Dream. My mother is from England. She came to this
country in 1948 because she was very distressed by national health
care. There is no British dream. There is not necessarily a German
dream or Japanese dream. But there is an American Dream.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. If the gentlewoman will yield, Mr. Speaker,
what the gentlewoman from New York is referencing is something that I
have heard from people in other countries that have government health
insurance. And they say, well, I'm real happy with my government health
insurance. And I know what's going on over here. And I'm thinking, my
goodness gracious, you're happy? What are you happy about? Well, you
get to see the doctor within 5 minutes, and you always come out with at
least three prescriptions.
Now, if that's the definition of success, Mr. Speaker and my
colleagues, that's not what American, good old U.S.A. medicine is all
about. It's time, quality time, spent with that doctor, and maybe no
prescriptions.
Ms. HAYWORTH. Thank you, and precisely the point that I'm agreeing on
with you and that I think we all have driven to philosophically is that
we need to have solutions that empower our doctors, our patients and
our providers to do all of them, to have the best and to do the best.
And consumer-based solutions are possible. Our Doctors Caucus is
working very hard on providing those ideas. Real liability reform has
to be part of this. We cannot possibly continue as we have been. That
was a glaring omission from the ACA.
In addition, we need to recognize, appreciate and act upon the
knowledge that our medical care can cost less. We do need to pay
attention to costs, but we need to empower our patients, our doctors
and our providers to use their best judgment, not empower something
like the Independent Payment Advisory Board to make those decisions for
us. That is a very dangerous thing and something that Americans will
find very distressing and disturbing. And the inevitable result of the
ACA is that, and you can trace it out, but we will end up having less
choice. The government will make decisions for us. They will be
decisions we don't like. We need our consumers and our providers to be
able to make those decisions.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman from New
York, and I appreciate her time.
If my clock watching is accurate, I think we may have 8 to 10 minutes
remaining, and I will try to conclude. I would like to see if my
colleagues would like to weigh in with additional comments. We do have
time if any of
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those that are still on the floor would like to bring some more
enlightenment into this subject.
I yield to the gentlewoman from North Carolina.
Ms. ELLMERS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I think we've come to the point now where we do need to discuss that
ObamaCare is not the answer. We have all discussed this over and over
again. I would say that it's probably a good reason that I was elected
because I ran on repealing it--that and cutting taxes and cutting
spending. And it all ties in together.
Those of us who are in health care have been aware of the need for
reform for quite some time. I think any of us can say that we've seen
the costs increase. We've seen the cost of health care insurance
increase. And yet we've all felt that our hands were tied. We didn't
know how to address it. The bureaucratic system, as my colleagues have
pointed out, just dealing with billing and trying to get the care for
patients alone can just take over your office.
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We have seen these things. We know there are problems that exist, but
we all agree that it needs to be a patient-centered, doctor-nurse-
patient relationship that we have to be putting forward. And it has to
be in the private sector. There are ways to do this. There is a role
for government in it, especially when we are talking about Medicare,
Medicaid, and those who are unfortunate. We want everyone to have
health care. But there are ways we can address it.
It is not a health care crisis; it is a crisis of culture. We have to
change the culture that we are dealing with. We want everyone to have
affordable health care, and there are simple solutions we can put in
place to do that.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. I am so glad that I called on the gentlewoman
from North Carolina and she brought up this point, colleagues, because
what Renee Ellmers just said is absolutely the truth. We are not on
this side of the aisle, and those Democrats who agree with us, we are
not opposed to reforming the health insurance industry, to eliminating
abusive practices such as canceling policies after the fact or denying
children with preexisting conditions, and that is exactly what the
gentlewoman from North Carolina was referencing.
The pledge to repeal ObamaCare is because in our humble opinion it is
too bad to fix. That doesn't mean that when we replace it, and we may
have to do it piece by piece, bit by bit, that we don't incorporate
some of the things in there that most people would agree are good, like
allowing youngsters, young adults, Mr. Speaker, to stay on the health
insurance policy of their parents until they are 26 years old. With
this economy and the destruction of jobs because of bailouts and
stimulus, trillions of dollars that don't work, unfortunately, our
young college graduates have no job to go to; otherwise, they would
have health insurance from their place of work. So they darn well need
to stay on their parents' policy until they are 26, and maybe until
they are 36 if we don't quite get our act together and quit spending
and get this economy going.
Let me yield quickly to the gentleman from Tennessee, Dr. Roe, my OB-
GYN colleague from Tennessee.
Mr. ROE of Tennessee. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
When I came, as we all did, doctors, physicians tend to look at a
problem. When a patient comes in, the first thing we ask them, Dr.
Gingrey: Why are you here today? It is a fairly obvious question. It is
called the chief complaint.
When I came to Washington, D.C., I asked the same thing about the
American health care system. I said: What is the problem with the
American health care system? I thought there were probably three.
Number one, it was too expensive. The cost of health care had
skyrocketed way above inflation so it is way too expensive to come see
a doctor or go to the hospital.
The second issue I saw you just brought up was that there was a
segment of our population that didn't have access to affordable health
insurance coverage. These are not the very poor who had access in my
State to TennCare or in other States to Medicaid, but these are folks
who are out working. Maybe they are a carpenter and their wife stays at
home. Or maybe they have a job, a small business, where they can't
afford it. So there was that segment that didn't have it.
Lastly, there is a liability crisis in America. Our friends on the
other side, our trial lawyer friends can tend to say that is not the
case, but let me give you a personal example. When I started my medical
practice, probably about the same time you did, Dr. Gingrey, it cost
$360. That was the first baby I delivered in 1977 that I got paid for.
I was out of the Army and out of my training, $360. My first year's
salary was $32,000. That is what I made my first year in practice. I
delivered 260 babies that year; a lot of babies. The next year I was up
to $60,000 a year. My malpractice was $4,000 a year. When I came to
Congress 2 years ago, the malpractice in Tennessee for an obstetrician
was $74,000. And there is no value that we get, that patients get from
that. We will go into that when we have another hour.
But the thing about the ObamaCare plan that bothered me was it did
nothing to bend the cost curve. If you looked at this and if you look
at plans that have been out there in the past, Medicare, for instance,
came on board in 1965 as a $3 billion program; $3 billion in 1965.
The estimators, there was no Congressional Budget Office then or
folks who make these estimates, but the government estimators at that
time said in 25 years this will be a $15 billion program. The actual
number was over $100 billion. And today it is over $500 billion.
In Tennessee, we noticed we had the same problem 20 years ago. We
have been through all of this before. Unfortunately, no one here chose
to listen to us in our Doctors Caucus. We said we had lack of access
and we had prices rising back in the 1990s, the early 1990s, exactly
the same debate that we are having today except today it is more severe
than it was.
We spent $2.6 billion on TennCare in 1993. In 2004, 2005, just 10
budget years later, it was up to $8.5 billion. The cost had tripled.
So when you see these cost estimates--and remember that the same CBO,
and these are good folks. I'm not pointing the finger at them. It is
very hard to do what they do. They are given a set of data. They crunch
the numbers and they hand them to us. They only missed this year's
budget deficit by $400 billion in 1 year. So I am to stand here and
believe, looking at these other examples I have just given you, that
this is going to be budget neutral in 10 years? There is no way it will
be.
I know we have a lot to discuss. I'm sorry I was a little late. I had
some folks from the great University of Tennessee in my office to see.
I look forward to continuing this discussion.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. Dr. Roe, we appreciate you being with us. I
know the time is rapidly coming to a close.
But, Mr. Speaker, I guess the last slide basically says it all, cuts
right to the chase: ObamaCare steals Americans' liberty. Our
forefathers intended certain basic rights--life, liberty, pursuit of
happiness--to be inalienable--that means can't be taken away from you--
and consider them self-evident and universal.
ObamaCare lets the boss steal liberty from every American by forcing
them to buy health insurance whether they want it or need it or not. We
can encourage them to have it and try to make it possible and
affordable. But to force them to do it, the next thing we know,
everybody will be eating broccoli by government edict because it is
healthy, it is healthy food. They are going to have a hard time getting
me to eat broccoli.
But I am telling you the judge in Florida, Judge Vincent, and the
judge in the Commonwealth of Virginia, Judge Hudson, they got it right.
We need expedited processing of those suits so the Supreme Court will
tell the American people this is unconstitutional and will not stand.
With that, Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
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