[Congressional Record Volume 157, Number 26 (Thursday, February 17, 2011)]
[House]
[Pages H1182-H1189]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
FULL-YEAR CONTINUING APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2011
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to House Resolution 92 and rule
XVIII, the Chair declares the House in the Committee of the Whole House
on the state of the Union for the further consideration of the bill,
H.R. 1.
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In the Committee of the Whole
Accordingly, the House resolved itself into the Committee of the
Whole House on the state of the Union for the further consideration of
the bill (H.R. 1) making appropriations for the Department of Defense
and the other departments and agencies of the Government for the fiscal
year ending September 30, 2011, and for other purposes, with Mr.
Gingrey of Georgia (Acting Chair) in the chair.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
The Acting CHAIR. When the Committee of the Whole rose earlier today,
a request for a recorded vote on amendment No. 11 printed in the
Congressional Record, offered by the gentleman from Indiana (Mr.
Pence), had been postponed, and the bill had been read through page
359, line 22.
Pursuant to the order of the House of today, no further amendment may
be offered except those specified in the previous order which is at the
desk.
Amendment No. 533 Offered by Mr. Young of Alaska
Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment at the desk.
The Acting CHAIR. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
At the end of the bill (before the short title), insert the
following:
Sec. __. None of the funds made available by this Act may
be used by the Environmental Appeals Board to consider,
review, reject, remand, or otherwise invalidate any permit
issued for Outer Continental Shelf sources located offshore
of the States along the Arctic Coast under section 328(a) of
the Clean Air Act (42 U.S.C. 7627(a)).
The Acting CHAIR. Pursuant to the order of the House of today, the
gentleman from Alaska (Mr. Young) and a Member opposed each will
control 5 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Alaska.
Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, we must explore for and develop
the Arctic resources in an environmentally safe and sustainable manner,
and we must allow that exploration work to proceed without bureaucratic
impediments. This amendment accomplishes both.
This amendment would limit funds in the bill from being used by the
Environmental Appeals Board, EAB, to invalidate any permit issued by
the Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, for activities on the Arctic
Outer Continental Shelf, OCS.
The EAB is an extension of the EPA that hears administrative appeals
pertaining to permit decisions and civil penalty decisions of the
agency. Very frankly, EAB is populated by environmental appeals judges
who are lawyers associated with EPA or the Justice Department. This
amendment does not circumvent the EPA's authority. Instead, it
continues to give permitting decisions to the professionals in the
regional office.
What this amendment will do is remove the ability for lawyers to
overrule EPA permit writers. Over $4 billion has been invested in
trying to drill exploratory wells, and to date not a single well has
been drilled because of one EPA air permit.
Mr. Chairman, I must say, this is an example of how an aid agency is
trying to issue the permits correctly, but they have a board that can
listen to someone who objects to it that rules against them. And we
have, in fact, had a little over 680 leases in the Arctic Ocean, oil
that we need being held up by bureaucrats. We will do this safely. The
air will be clean. They're 80 miles from any human, other than those
who work on these ships. And if you believe it's right to buy this oil
from overseas, shame on you.
Again, we are spending close to $40 billion this year or more buying
foreign oil; 72 percent of our oil is coming from overseas. The right
thing to do is allow us to take and explore and find out if that oil is
there; and if it is, to develop it.
Remember, we're not the only ones in the Arctic anymore. Iceland,
Greenland, China, Russia are all drilling. We're the only ones not
involved; yet we have the best equipment, the best environmental
wreckers in the Arctic. We have the proper equipment to do it safely.
It's being held up by bureaucrats who don't want to issue the permits.
EPA has said it's all right, but the review board says, no, it's not,
within the agency itself. All it says, if they have the permit issued,
then it should go forth, and let's get on to serving this country as we
should for the benefit of this Nation, for the benefit of those so we
don't have to go to war over in the Middle East over oil. So if you
don't like what's going on over there, let's support this amendment. I
believe it's the correct thing.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Virginia is recognized
for 5 minutes.
Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, the gentleman's amendment stops funding
for--and I will quote--the Environmental Appeals Board to consider
review, reject, remand, or otherwise invalidate any permit issued for
Outer Continental Shelf sources located offshore of the States along
the Arctic coast.
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Now, the gentleman has shared with us a specific situation, but his
amendment goes considerably beyond that. The appeals board is the final
decisionmaker on administrative appeals under all major environmental
statutes that the Environmental Protection Agency administers. It's an
impartial body, independent of all agency components outside the
immediate office of the administrator. To support this amendment is to
take away people's right to petition their government. This is an
impartial board that looks out for the regular citizen. In fact, they
just took great care and ruled on the side of Alaskans and courageously
ruled against EPA's issuance of a permit to Shell Oil.
I thought the gentleman and his side of the aisle would take sincere
joy in any decision ruling against EPA. But that's not the case,
apparently. I guess EPA is okay as long as it doesn't use any Federal
funds and rules exactly the way that you want them to. And, in fact,
EPA did rule the way that the gentleman wants, it's just that we have
an appeals board. That appeals board is there for good reason, has been
for some time.
I don't have to tell the gentleman, but I think the other Members of
this body should know that the Environmental Appeals Board found that
EPA's analysis of the effect on Alaskan Native communities of nitrogen
dioxide emissions from the drilling ships was too limited, ordered the
agency to redo the work. It doesn't mean that they can't drill. The
analysis is incomplete. We should let that legal process work and stop
interfering in long-standing regulatory and administrative processes.
The amendment will be seen as an assault on the environment and an
affront to the Alaskans who engaged in this case.
I'm disappointed that the gentleman's position would appear to favor
Big Oil over the small Alaskan villages that are being protected in
this reconsideration. It doesn't mean that there won't be drilling; it
simply means that the analysis to enable that drilling needs to be full
and complete.
I urge defeat of the amendment and reserve the balance of my time,
Mr. Chairman.
Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I want to suggest one thing. The
native communities in Alaska support this. They support drilling. I've
had them in my office. And to say that, I
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represent that State, not Alexandria, Virginia. And they've come to me
and said we need it.
I yield to the gentleman from Idaho, the chairman of the
appropriations committee, Mr. Simpson.
Mr. SIMPSON. Beginning in 2005, the Shell Oil Company purchased
leases in the Beaufort and the Chukchi Seas located within the Arctic
Outer Continental Shelf. The company paid over $2.1 billion for these
lease rights, a reflection of the potentially vast reserves off of
Alaska's coast.
Shell applied for air permits from the EPA for its Beaufort leases in
2006 and for the Chukchi in 2008. The company went through a lengthy
and burdensome administrative process. Shell's permits were initially
approved, but subsequently overturned by the EPA's Environmental
Appeals Board. Last year, the Appropriations Committee addressed the
problem by including language in the FY 2010 conference report
specifically directing the agency to allocate sufficient funds and
personnel to process the OCS permits in a timely manner. This simply
did not happen. The company is effectively at square one after spending
millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours.
Shell announced just this month that it had cancelled plans for
drilling in the Arctic in the 2011 drilling season, which is a very
short drilling season. They have spent millions on this and done
everything by the book. And the appeals board has decided that because
they should have foreseen that the rules were going to change, that
they shouldn't have issued these air permits.
I think it's an overreach by the EPA and by the appeals board, and I
support this amendment and would encourage my colleagues to vote for
it.
Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, I would underscore some points previously
made.
Number one, we are not taking a position on the merits of this case.
It may very well be, I would not be surprised, in fact, personally,
that ultimately the drilling off the Arctic coast would be approved.
But this is like taking a case to the district court. The district
court agrees with you, and then the plaintiff appeals, goes to the
appeals court. The appeals court disagrees or says that there needs to
be more information. That's exactly what this appeals board did. Now,
presumably, that information is being gathered. It will be presented.
And when it is, I don't know why the appeals board would not agree with
the EPA decision.
The problem with this amendment is we're setting a precedent to say,
if we don't like the appeals board, we like the district court
decision, which is in this case EPA's decision, then we accept EPA's
decision, ignore that appeals process. That's what we're opposed to. It
seems to me we ought not be legislating that kind of judicial decision
that affects many people's lives and incomes, clearly, and the
environment without a full hearing.
What's going to happen if this legislation were passed is that the
decisionmaking process that allows this drilling will be suspect and a
permit will not be able to be fully issued without reservation. So for
that reason, I would suggest that the right thing to do is to defeat
this amendment, Mr. Chairman.
The Acting CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the
gentleman from Alaska (Mr. Young).
The question was taken; and the Acting Chair announced that the ayes
appeared to have it.
Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
The Acting CHAIR. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, further
proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Alaska will
be postponed.
Amendment No. 524 Offered by Mr. Nadler
Mr. NADLER. Mr. Chairman, I rise as designee of the gentleman from
Michigan (Mr. Conyers) and I am pleased to offer the amendment at the
desk.
The Acting CHAIR. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
At the end of the bill (before the short title), insert the
following:
Sec. __. None of the funds made available in this Act may
be used to make an application under section 501 of the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C.
1861) for an order requiring the production of library
circulation records, library patron lists, book sales
records, or book customer lists.
The Acting CHAIR. Pursuant to the order of the House of today, the
gentleman from New York (Mr. Nadler) and a Member opposed each will
control 5 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from New York.
Mr. NADLER. Mr. Chairman, I now yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Mr. Chairman, this is a bipartisan amendment sponsored by Mr.
Conyers, Mr. Paul, myself and Mr. Jones. The amendment would prohibit
the use of any funds made available in this act to make an application
for what's commonly known as a section 215 order requiring the
production of library circulation records, library patron lists, book
sale records or book customer lists. The amendment is very narrowly
drawn to protect the privacy of all Americans from unwarranted
governmental investigation in an area directly related to their beliefs
and private thoughts.
What we read, where we read, what we listen to, our interests, the
type of information we seek, our private tastes in art and music all
tell a great deal about us. The right to be free from the prying eyes
of government in these areas is absolutely necessary to protect our
rights of free speech, religious liberty, liberty of conscience,
freedom of association and political freedom. This amendment will not
prevent the government from obtaining this type of information provided
it obtains the constitutionally required warrant. What it will stop is
the use of 215 orders which are issued by the secret Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Court under standards so loose it is almost
impossible for the government to get turned down, instead of the normal
warrant. In fact, the secret court has become a virtual rubber stamp
for the government.
The amendment also will not stop the use of section 215 orders in
other investigations such as surveillance of computer communications,
even if conducted in libraries. Section 215 authorizes the government
to obtain ``any tangible thing'' so long as the government provides a
``statement of facts showing that there are reasonable grounds to
believe that the tangible things are relevant to a foreign intelligence
or an international terrorism or espionage investigation.''
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This would include business records, library records, tax records,
educational records, or medical records. Before the enactment of
section 215, only specific types of records were subject to the orders
issued by the secret court, and the government had to show ``specific
and articulable facts giving reason to believe that the person to whom
the record pertains is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign
power.'' In other words, specific reason to believe that the person you
were talking about is either a foreign agent or a terrorist.
This dragnet approach of section 215, which does not need those
specific facts, allows the government to review personal records even
if there is no reason to believe that the individual involved has
anything to do with terrorism. This poses a threat to individual rights
in the most sensitive area of our lives with little restraint on the
Congress.
While Congress has decided to extend the life of section 215 that
does all these things for the next few months, during which I hope we
can take a closer look at it and, if not reform it, then do away with
it, I think it entirely inappropriate for us to provide some reasonable
protection for these very limited and sensitive areas and in effect
cutting out library records from the section 215 extension that we just
voted.
Do not believe the scare tactics that this amendment might impede
investigations and might make us vulnerable to terrorism. The
government has many tools with which to investigate terrorism and other
types of wrongdoing. In fact, section 215 is rarely used. Search
warrants and other investigative tools would still be available to the
government. But in any event, most of section 215 is unaffected by this
amendment and will continue. This amendment pertains only to library
records.
When we last considered this amendment a number of years ago, it
passed
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this House overwhelmingly with bipartisan support. Today,
Representative Conyers and I offer it with two Republican colleagues,
the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Paul) and the gentleman from North
Carolina (Mr. Jones). I urge my colleagues to support this amendment
dealing only with the library records aspect of section the 215.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. WOLF. Mr. Chair, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
The Acting CHAIR. The gentleman from Virginia is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. WOLF. As the gentleman from New York knows, Congress is
considering temporary extension of the same Patriot Act authorities
that are targeted in this amendment.
The reauthorization process, not in this CR, is the proper venue to
consider any changes to existing intelligence-gathering laws.
Applications for FISA orders seeking library circulation records and
book sales records may only be approved by the Director of the Federal
Bureau of Investigation, the Deputy Bureau of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, or the Executive Assistant Director for National
Security. This authority cannot be further delegated.
There is absolutely no evidence that this authority has been abused
or misused to unlawfully acquire library or business records.
This prohibition could create a safe haven for terrorists to utilize
America's libraries and bookstores to conduct research or communicate
with each other. I urge my colleagues to vote ``no.''
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. NADLER. Mr. Chairman, how much time do I have left?
The Acting CHAIR. The gentleman from New York has 1 minute remaining.
Mr. NADLER. I will yield the 1 minute to the gentleman from
Pennsylvania (Mr. Fattah).
Mr. FATTAH. Let me thank the gentleman from New York, and I thank the
chairman of the subcommittee.
As the ranking member on the Subcommittee on Commerce and Justice, I
rise in support of this amendment. I think that the prohibition is an
appropriate one. It's a specific carve-out for library records related
to American citizens.
These records still would be available under a warrant properly
petitioned for and received through the secret court that handles these
matters. But this would take away this administrative procedure which
has been rarely used. And I agree with the gentleman from Virginia,
there's no reason to believe that it would be abused in any way.
The real point here is that we as Americans find that our right to
privacy, and particularly as relates to the library and our reading
habits--that we do not have a circumstance that we have a fishing
expedition by law enforcement.
So I support the prohibition amendment. And it did pass before by
bipartisan vote; it's offered on a bipartisan basis, and I hope that
the House favorably considers it.
Mr. WOLF. Mr. Chair, I urge a ``no'' vote.
I yield back the balance of my time.
The Acting CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the
gentleman from New York (Mr. Nadler).
The question was taken; and the Acting Chair announced that the noes
appeared to have it.
Mr. NADLER. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
The Acting CHAIR. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, further
proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from New York
will be postponed.
Amendment No. 424 Offered by Mr. Fortenberry
Mr. FORTENBERRY. Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment at the desk.
The Acting CHAIR. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
At the end of the bill (before the short title), insert the
following new section:
Sec. __. None of the funds made available by this Act may
be used to provide any of the following types of assistance
to Chad: international military education and training
(IMET), foreign military financing (FMF), provision of excess
defense articles, foreign military forces capacity assistance
(section 1206 of the National Defense Authorization Act for
Fiscal Year 2006), and direct commercial sales of military
equipment.
The Acting CHAIR. Pursuant to the order of the House of today, the
gentleman from Nebraska (Mr. Fortenberry) and a Member opposed each
will control 5 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Nebraska.
Mr. FORTENBERRY. Mr. Chairman, in 2008, this body passed the Child
Soldiers Prevention Act. It was part of the William Wilberforce Human
Trafficking Victims Protection Act. The bill declared that the United
States would not provide military assistance to countries found guilty
of child conscription.
With broad bipartisan support, we declared that this is an affront to
human dignity and an affront to civilization itself. We made it known
that all children, no matter where they are, should be on playgrounds
and not battlegrounds.
Mr. Chairman, it is very difficult for us to envision that a child
would be put in military fatigues, a gun in their hand, and then forced
to fight. But it does happen, and it does happen in the world today.
The government of Chad, to which we provide military assistance, was
found guilty of using child soldiers in the 2010 State Department
Trafficking-in-Persons Report. As the law we passed provided, Chad was
granted a national security interest waiver in the hopes that Chad
would take serious and aggressive strides toward ending this serious
human rights violation and be a valuable military partner with the
United States. But we have to ask, where is the progress?
With the withdrawal of the U.N. mission in Chad at the end of last
year, children as young as 13 years old are now being preyed upon as
child soldiers. In this past week, the United Nations and a respected
international human rights organization both issued reports warning of
Chad's continued flouting of our law. The Washington Post, along with
other international media outlets, has given attention to this issue as
well in recent days.
Mr. Chairman, to use child soldiers is wrong. This is why we passed
the law in the first place. Yes, we want a good military relationship
with Chad. Chad is a valuable military partner. But to strengthen that
partnership, the horrific abuse of children must end.
So I offer this amendment as a challenge to our Government. We are
operating inconsistently. We passed a law saying one thing, but we
continue military assistance with no apparent attentiveness to stopping
the pernicious use of child soldiers.
Mr. Chairman, several years ago I was in the country of Liberia. I
had the opportunity to visit the interior part of that country as well.
Liberia had gone through a devastating civil war, and this particular
area we were in had been caught in a very bad crossfire between rebel
groups, and I was invited to visit a missionary school there run by a
British Catholic priest.
As we entered the compound, the beautiful children came out and sang
us a song and greeted us. And this priest told us that during the worst
part of the war, he himself had been abducted, his children had been
left unattended, and many had died of starvation. He showed me the mass
grave.
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But he also asked me to spend a few more minutes with him. We went to
a classroom and he discretely pulled two young boys out of that
classroom. He told me they had been child soldiers. One had been shot
in the hip. The other had had his father killed while he was standing
next to him. Both of the boys were withdrawn. They wouldn't look me in
the eye. Clearly they were deeply wounded. But this priest wanted to
thank me and to thank the American people for providing a little bit of
assistance to him to help integrate these children back to some degree
of normalcy.
So which way are we going to have it? We need to be consistent. On
one side of the hallway we have a very good program to help heal those
who have been victimized by child soldiers, but on the other side we
are aiding a government that is not stopping this pernicious practice.
William Wilberforce, the British statesman and unyielding
abolitionist, for whom our antihuman trafficking law is named, said
this: ``You may
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choose to look the other way, but you can never say again that you did
not know.''
Mr. Chairman, we must make it clear to the government of Chad that we
now know, and we cannot look the other way.
Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman will yield, I want to
commend the gentleman for his outstanding work on this important issue.
We want the gentleman to know that we are prepared on our side to
accept his amendment.
Mr. FORTENBERRY. I appreciate that. Thank you for the kind words.
Mr. CARTER. If the gentleman will yield, we also will accept the
amendment.
Mr. FORTENBERRY. I yield back the balance of my time.
The Acting CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the
gentleman from Nebraska (Mr. Fortenberry).
The amendment was agreed to.
Amendment No. 23 Offered by Mr. Hastings of Florida
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
The Acting CHAIR. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
At the end of the bill (before the short title), insert the
following:
Sec. __. The amounts otherwise provided by this Act are
revised by reducing the amount made available for
``Department of Health and Human Services, Health Resources
and Services Administration, Health Resources and Services'',
by reducing the amount made available for ``Department of
Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, Disease Control, Research, and Training'', by
reducing the amount made available for ``Department of Health
and Human Services, National Institutes of Health'', and by
increasing the amount made available for ``Department of
Health and Human Services, Health Resources and Services
Administration, Health Resources and Services'', by
$14,000,000, by $14,000,000, by an additional $14,000,000,
and by $42,000,000, respectively.
The Acting CHAIR. Pursuant to the order of the House of today, the
gentleman from Florida (Mr. Hastings) and a Member opposed each will
control 5 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I
may consume.
(Mr. HASTINGS of Florida asked and was given permission to revise and
extend his remarks.)
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. Mr. Chairman, this is the full year
continuing appropriations act which would help people living with HIV/
AIDS who cannot afford their treatment by reallocating additional
funding to our Nation's AIDS Drug Assistance Program.
It is unconscionable that, in 2011, we often have the resources to
save lives but wait until a crisis before taking action. Just this
month, thousands of Floridians living with HIV/AIDS were on the verge
of losing access to their life-saving drugs as Florida's ADAP ran out
of money.
Current funding levels for ADAP are unsustainable.
Due to state budget cuts and an increase in the number of individuals
who rely on ADAP for HIV/AIDS-related drugs and services, 10 states,
including Florida, have had to create ADAP waiting lists and cut
services.
As of February 3, my home state of Florida has accounted for over
half of the 6,001 individuals on ADAP waiting lists nationwide (3,085
individuals). In fact, Florida has the third-highest HIV/AIDS
population in the country and the highest rate of new infections.
Ensuring access to treatment remains key to combating HIV/AIDS.
Antiretroviral drugs can increase the life expectancy of a person
living with HIV/AIDS by at least 24 years.
When incorporated into comprehensive strategies, antiretroviral drugs
can also help reduce the spread of HIV by up to 92 percent.
Currently, the lifetime cost of living with HIV/AIDS is $618,900. If
we do not take action now, the future costs of HIV/AIDS will amount to
$12.1 billion per year, with drugs making up 70 percent of the cost. We
cannot afford to turn a blind eye to this crisis; the costs are simply
too high.
My amendment reallocates $14 million from each of the Fiscal Year
(FY) 2011 administrative budgets of the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention (CDC), Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA),
and National Institutes of Health (NIH) in order to provide $42 million
to ADAP.
According to the Congressional Budget Office, if enacted, my
amendment would save $1 million in new FY 2011 expenditures.
Furthermore, it would have no net budget authority effect for FY 2011.
Mr. Chairman, we can and must do better. I urge my colleagues to
support increased funding for our nation's ADAP by voting in favor of
my amendment.
By reallocating desperately-needed funds to ADAP, we are helping
states like Florida ensure that low-income individuals living with HIV/
AIDS have access to the medications and services they need to stay
alive while stemming the tide of new infections and saving our nation
money in the long-term.
Mr. Chairman, I am pleased at this time to yield 1\1/2\ minutes to my
distinguished colleague and very good friend and colleague from Florida
(Ms. Wasserman Schultz).
Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
I rise today in support of Amendment 23 offered by Mr. Hastings, my
good friend from Florida, which would help people living with HIV/AIDS
afford treatment through the vital AIDS Drug Assistance Program. This
program, known as ADAP, provides HIV-related prescription drugs to low-
income people with HIV/AIDS who have limited or no prescription drug
coverage.
This essential national program is undeniably in the midst of a
devastating funding crisis. The combination of an economic recession,
State budget cuts, and increased testing and diagnosis of HIV have
created the perfect storm against ADAP's fiscal situation--more
patients are requiring ADAP treatment as the program has been emptied
out. This has resulted in drastic cuts in services provided and
thousands in 10 different States have ended up on waiting lists to
receive these necessary lifesaving drugs.
In my own State of Florida, with the largest of all such waiting
lists, 3,276 individuals languish without access to affordable
lifesaving treatment. Our State has lowered financial eligibility down
to 300 percent of the Federal poverty level, while at the same time
reducing the formulary for the patients who still qualify.
This is an enormous problem for a State with the third highest HIV/
AIDS population and the highest rate of new infections in the country.
You may be shocked to know that the new infection rate in south Florida
is higher than in Africa. We cannot let this happen in our own backyard
to our neighbors and our constituents.
Though our administration has demonstrated that funding ADAP is a
priority, we just keep hitting the wall. Current funding levels for
this program are unsustainable and we must do more to help. This
amendment would help give the ADAP program a much-needed boost and help
thousands of patients access the treatment they so desperately need.
In this budgetary climate, we must make smart and sensible decisions.
Where we can afford to make an administrative haircut, if the tradeoff
is saving lives, it is our moral imperative to do so. By reallocating
these greatly needed funds to save ADAP, we ensure that people living
with HIV/AIDS in our communities can access the treatment they need to
stay alive while we stem the tide of new infections and save our Nation
money in the long term.
I strongly urge you to support the efforts of this responsible and
compassionate amendment.
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my
time.
Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the gentleman's
amendment.
The Acting CHAIR. The gentlewoman from Connecticut is recognized for
5 minutes.
Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Chairman, I understand what Mr. Hastings is doing
here and I, too, support the work of the AIDS Drug Assistance Program
and what it does across the country, assuring that more than 500,000
Americans that cannot otherwise afford it receive the drugs that they
need for the HIV virus. This is one of the critical services that is
offered to many who cannot afford it. It helps to improve their health
and to maintain the public's health in general.
Just last year, the Department of Health and Human Services had to
reallocate $25 million to help States that had a lengthy waiting list,
people hanging in limbo without access to the medication that we know
will help them. And in these difficult economic times, more and more
people find themselves also unable to afford treatment. More than 700
Americans were
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put on that waiting list in 1 month in 2010.
Improving access to care is a priority for me and my colleagues, but
this amendment is one that attempts to correct a piece of legislation
that is not fixable. We simply cannot rob Peter to pay Paul.
This amendment will pull important resources from two accounts that
the Republicans have already decimated that are critical to the public
health of our country: the CDC, Centers for Disease Control, and the
National Institutes of Health. I therefore encourage my colleague from
Florida to work with me to defeat this reckless continuing resolution
rather than amend a bill that is beyond repair.
Mr. CARTER. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. I yield to the gentleman from Texas.
Mr. CARTER. We have no objection to this amendment and are prepared
to accept the amendment.
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. I thank the gentleman.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
The Acting CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the
gentleman from Florida (Mr. Hastings).
The amendment was agreed to.
Amendment No. 483 Offered by Mr. Fortenberry
Mr. FORTENBERRY. Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment at the desk.
The Acting CHAIR. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
At the end of the bill (before the short title), insert the
following:
Sec. __. None of the funds made available by this Act may
be used for or in sterilization campaigns.
Mr. CARTER. Mr. Chairman, I reserve a point of order on the
gentleman's amendment.
The Acting CHAIR. A point of order is reserved.
Pursuant to the order of the House of today, the gentleman from
Nebraska (Mr. Fortenberry) and a Member opposed each will control 5
minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Nebraska.
Mr. FORTENBERRY. Mr. Chairman, recently a woman came to my children's
school to talk about the healing power of forgiveness. She was a
survivor of the 1994 Rwandan genocide when nearly 1 million people were
mercilessly hunted, hacked and killed.
Now let's fast forward to the year 2007. In an ironic twist, Rwanda's
President Kagame expressed his interest in reducing the number of
births of children in that country by 50 percent. In recent weeks,
confusing reports have surfaced as to whether the Rwandan Government
had launched a campaign setting a target for hundreds of thousands of
male sterilizations. While the reports which implied possible
complicity of U.S.-funded organizations were subsequently dismissed,
the concerns they raised are very real. Let's note China's one-child
policy, or Fujimori's Peru.
Mr. Chairman, the United States should be a champion for human
dignity, and yet, sadly, we have our own sorted past with sterilization
campaigns. In 1924, the State of Virginia passed what was called the
Racial Integrity Act, which remained intact well into my own lifetime,
until it was overturned by the Supreme Court.
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I think the title ``The Racial Integrity Act'' speaks for itself;
legislation so outrageous that then-Governor Warner, now Senator
Warner, issued a statement of apology in 2002 saying, ``We must
remember the Commonwealth's past mistakes in order to prevent them from
recurring.''
Mr. Chairman, this is a proscriptive amendment, which I believe is
consistent with current law, that seeks to prevent human rights abuse,
that just says, No, we will not return to this shameful past, nor will
we impose it on other people in other places with America's tax
dollars.
This amendment, I believe, is a reasonable application and extension
of the current law. It is important because sterilization campaigns
involving a subtle element of real or perceived moral suasion directed
at vulnerable individuals can easily blur the distinction between what
is voluntary and involuntary. The question here is whether to take
hard-earned taxpayer dollars and apply them in these campaigns--
aggressive outreach efforts--to sterilize persons.
Mr. Chairman, while I recognize that this amendment has been ruled
out of order, I do believe it is a reasonable application and extension
of current law. However, I will accept the judgment of the Chair and
withdraw this amendment.
The Acting CHAIR. Without objection, the amendment is withdrawn.
There was no objection.
Amendment No. 466 Offered by Mr. Poe of Texas
Mr. POE of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment at the desk.
The Acting CHAIR. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
At the end of the bill (before the short title), insert the
following:
Sec. __. (a) None of the funds made available by this Act
may be used by the Environmental Protection Agency to
implement, administer, or enforce any statutory or regulatory
requirement pertaining to emissions of carbon dioxide,
methane, nitrous oxide, sulfur hexafluoride,
hydrofluorocarbons, or perfluorocarbons from stationary
sources that is issued or becomes applicable or effective
after January 1, 2011.
(b) In this section, the term ``stationary source'' has the
meaning given such term in section 111(a)(3) of the Clean Air
Act (42 U.S.C. 7411(a)(3)).
The Acting CHAIR. Pursuant to the order of the House of today, the
gentleman from Texas (Mr. Poe) and a Member opposed each will control
10 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Texas.
Mr. POE of Texas. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'd like to thank my fellow Texans, Mr. Barton and Mr. Carter, for
cosponsoring and introducing amendment No. 466 in their commitment to
block funding for new EPA greenhouse gas mandates.
This amendment will eliminate funding for the EPA to be used to
implement, administer, or enforce any statutory or regulatory
requirement pertaining to the emissions of greenhouse gases from
stationary sources. This amendment will put an end to any backdoor
attempt made by the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases to go around
Congress and circumvent the will of the people. Americans have rejected
this policy. Despite being rejected by Congress, the administration has
ignored the will of the people and the law to further some political
agenda.
It's absolutely necessary that Congress take immediate action to
ensure that the EPA does not continue to destroy industry across the
board in our country. We're in the midst of a massive economic
downturn, and the last thing we need to do is to shoot ourselves in the
foot with unnecessary, expensive new regulations that are on business
and industry, not to mention Americans will be left holding the bag.
Past attempts to regulate greenhouse gases would cost American
taxpayers up to $200 billion a year, the equivalent of hiking personal
income taxes up about 15 percent, or cost each American household an
extra $1,700.
This amendment, section 1746 of the CR, says that none of the funds
made available to the EPA are to be used to enforce or promulgate any
regulation relating to State limitation plan or permits. Further,
amendment No. 466 takes the CR a step further, prohibiting the EPA from
enforcing national regulation of greenhouse gases similar to the cap-
and-trade regulation.
This amendment basically prohibits the EPA from overregulating not
only the State of Texas but the rest of the States regarding greenhouse
gases. Probably no Member of Congress represents more refineries than I
do in southeast Texas; and the regulatory process, the overregulation
of the EPA coming in and trying to now regulate the State of Texas
regarding greenhouse gases is a detriment to the industry. The State of
Texas regulates greenhouse gases. The State of Texas regulates the
industry. It has done a good job. This is overreaching on the part of
the EPA. And it's time for the EPA not to put industry out of business
and put the refinery industry out of business.
This amendment will rein them in and prohibit them from implementing
the so-called cap-and-trade philosophy on States such as Texas and
other States.
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[From the Wall Street Journal, Jan. 4, 2011]
The EPA's War on Texas
The Environmental Protection Agency's carbon regulation
putsch continues, but apparently abusing the clean-air laws
of the 1970s to achieve goals Congress rejected isn't enough.
Late last week, the EPA made an unprecedented move to punish
Texas for being the one state with the temerity to challenge
its methods.
To wit, the EPA violated every tenet of administrative
procedure to strip Texas of its authority to issue the air
permits that are necessary for large power and industrial
projects. This is the first time in the history of the Clean
Air Act that the EPA has abrogated state control, and the
decision will create gale-force headwinds for growth in a
state that is the U.S. energy capital. Anyone who claims that
carbon regulation is no big deal and that the EPA is merely
following the law will need to defend this takeover.
Since December 2009, the EPA has issued four major
greenhouse gas rule-makings, and 13 states have tried to
resist the rush. The Clean Air Act stipulates that pollution
control is ``the primary responsibility of states and local
government,'' and while the national office sets overall
priorities, states have considerable leeway in their
``implementation plans.'' When EPA's instructions change,
states typically have three years to revise these plans
before sending them to Washington for approval.
This summer, the 13 states requested the full three years
for the costly and time-consuming revision process, until the
EPA threatened economic retaliation with a de facto
construction moratorium. If these states didn't immediately
submit new implementation plans to specification, the agency
warned, starting in 2011 projects ``will be unable to receive
a federally approved permit authorizing construction or
modification.'' All states but Texas stood down, even as
Texas continued to file lawsuits challenging the carbon power
grab.
Two weeks ago, EPA air regulation chief Gina McCarthy sent
the Texas environmental department a letter asserting that
the agency had ``no choice'' but to seize control of
permitting. She noted ``statements in the media'' by Texas
officials and their ``legal challenges to EPA's greenhouse
gas rules,'' but she cited no legal basis.
And no wonder. The best the EPA could offer up as a legal
excuse for voiding Texas's permitting authority last Thursday
was that EPA had erred in originally approving the state's
implementation plan--in 1992, or three Presidents ago.
The error that escaped EPA's notice for 18 years was that
the Texas plan did not address ``all pollutants newly subject
to regulation . . . among them GHGs [greenhouse gases].'' In
other words, back then Texas hadn't complied with regulations
that didn't exist and wouldn't be promulgated for another 18
years.
The takeover was sufficiently egregious that the D.C.
circuit court of appeals issued an emergency stay on Thursday
suspending the rules pending judicial review. One particular
item in need of legal scrutiny is that the permitting
takeover is an ``interim final rule'' that is not open to the
normal--and Clean Air Act-mandated--process of public notice
and comment. So much for transparency in government.
The EPA claims its takeover is a matter of great urgency,
but Texas is being pre-emptively punished for not obeying
rules that don't exist today because the EPA hasn't finalized
them. ``Now, at this early stage, there's no specifics to
tell you about the rules in terms of what we're announcing
today, other than they will be done and we'll move--take
steps moving forward in 2011,'' Mrs. McCarthy told reporters
on a conference call last week about the agency's
``performance standards'' for oil refineries, power plants,
cement manufacturers and other such CO2-heavy
facilities.
``It's way too early in the game right now to be talking
about what we think the standards are going to look like,''
she added helpfully. ``Today's announcement is just the fact
we're going to move to those standards.''
This and other permitting uncertainties have brought major
projects in the U.S. to a standstill. The Texas takeover in
particular is pure political revenge and an effort to
intimidate other states from joining the Texan lawsuits. The
reason states are supposed to run the clean-air process is
that local regulators have the staff, capacity and expertise
that Washington lacks. When the carbon rules eventually are
issued, that means the takeover will extend the current
moratorium even longer in Texas.
The EPA concedes that some 167 current projects will be
affected, and many more in the future. Our guess is that all
of them will be delayed for years and many will simply die.
This is precisely the goal of a politically driven
bureaucracy that wants to impose by illegal diktat the
anticarbon, anti-fossil fuel agenda that the Obama
Administration has been unable to pass by democratic consent.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
The Acting CHAIR. The gentleman from Virginia is recognized for 10
minutes.
Mr. MORAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, this entire bill, this CR, is replete with amendment
after amendment targeting the public's health and the environment. This
is one of the worst, at least in its intent. As a practical matter,
it's not clear why this amendment is being offered, really, as it
appears to duplicate section 1746 of the underlying bill. But both
section 1746 and this amendment are truly radical attempts to stop the
Environmental Protection Agency from doing its job of protecting the
health and welfare of every American.
This particular amendment would bar EPA from addressing carbon
pollution, period--pollution which seriously endangers public health
and the environment. It not only guts the Clean Air Act, but it also
imposes a job-destroying construction ban in many States. According to
the National Academy of Sciences and the premier scientific
organizations of all the world major economies, man-made carbon
pollution is changing the climate and is endangering the public's
health and the environment.
The American Lung Association, the American Public Health
Association, and thousands of doctors, nurses, and other public health
professionals support EPA's action on this public health threat; but
this amendment bars EPA from acting, from carrying out its legal
responsibility. Under the Clean Air Act, companies building large new
facilities like power plants and refineries need to make sure that they
have taken reasonable steps to reduce their carbon pollution because
it's easier to control pollution from the beginning, the point where a
facility is being built, rather than waiting and trying to retrofit it
after it has been constructed.
All EPA is asking is that these large new facilities be energy
efficient. They can meet the standard if they simply meet energy
efficiency standards. The Poe amendment, though, would prevent EPA from
implementing this commonsense requirement to protect the public health
from the largest and most dangerous sources of carbon pollution.
EPA has also indicated it plans to set minimum Federal standards for
the two largest sources of carbon pollution, which are power plants and
oil refineries. This amendment would prevent EPA from even proposing
these standards. Those standards are really a limitation on what they
could and I think should be doing in terms of regulating pollution
throughout the country. But they're going to stick to the two largest
sources.
Ironically, given all of the rhetoric we've heard about environmental
regulations hurting the economy, this Poe amendment is a job-destroyer.
Under the Clean Air Act, a company wanting to build or expand a power
plant or other facility has to get a permit for that facility's carbon
pollution before beginning construction. The Poe amendment does nothing
to change that. What it does do is take away EPA's authority to issue
those permits. So that basically amounts to a construction ban.
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This is more than a paperwork problem. In essence the Poe amendment
will impose that de facto construction ban on jobs in all or parts of
at least 13 States. And without the needed permits, construction cannot
proceed. So a vote for the Poe amendment would be a vote not only
against the Clean Air Act, it is a vote for a de facto construction
ban. Thousands of jobs lost in States across this country. That's why
we very strongly oppose the Poe amendment. We do support EPA's
authority to cut carbon pollution and allow the construction of energy-
efficient power plants, refineries and other facilities to proceed as
planned.
I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POE of Texas. Contrary to what the gentleman says, in the State
of Texas, the power plants, the refineries are already being regulated.
They're being regulated by the State of Texas. And unless this
amendment passes, the refineries, those that I represent probably more
than any person in the United States--this new added burden by the EPA
coming in will make those at the refineries lose their jobs. The
administration has already done a good job of trying to close down the
oil industry in the Gulf of Mexico by not lifting the permitting
process. Now the
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administration with this requirement, contrary to the law of Congress,
since Congress has not passed a cap-and-trade philosophy, will put
those refineries and workers at harm, and they will lose their jobs
because of the new EPA regulatory process that is not necessary.
With that, I yield as much time as he wishes to the gentleman from
Texas (Mr. Carter).
Mr. CARTER. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
I rise in support of this amendment. I disagree with my friend across
the aisle. I don't believe this amendment will be a job killer. I
believe it will be a job protector. But more so, it's a faith protector
in the opportunity to have a job.
When we were debating in Congress this very issue of cap and trade,
back home where I live and all across the State of Texas and in other
parts of the country where I was privileged to travel, people were
asking, Please, are they really going to impose this crazy legislation
upon us at the cost of our jobs and jack up the cost of our energy?
A lot of small businesses said, I don't know what to do, because this
thing is looming out there. If it becomes law, I have the feeling it's
going to put me out of business because I'm not going to be able to
afford the disastrous cost it's going to take to keep me in operation.
These are just small business owners.
Meanwhile, those in the refining and power industries looked at this
thing and said, Good Lord, what is this going to do to us? How many
people are we going to be able to keep on? And who are we going to have
to lay off so we can meet these onerous requirements?
And the people of the United States and this Congress basically said
no to the President and no to the Democratic majority of the last few
years. So the result was a sigh of relief, not only in my hometown but
in hometowns across America; a sigh of relief, because they looked at
this thing and said, This doesn't make sense. They're trying to
regulate the air we breathe. It just shocks people as to what it might
do to their cost.
Now I just came tonight to ask one question, a very simple question,
the question everybody in my district has been asking me. What is it
about the word no that these folks don't understand? Because they have
been told no, and I think it should remain no.
We should support this amendment.
Mr. POE of Texas. I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, may I inquire as to the remaining time on
each side?
The Acting CHAIR. The gentleman from Virginia has 6 minutes
remaining, and the gentleman from Texas has 3\1/2\ minutes remaining.
Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, at this point I would yield 4 minutes to the
distinguished gentleman from Washington, Mr. Jay Inslee, one of the
House's premier experts on the issue of air pollution.
(Mr. INSLEE asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. INSLEE. Mr. Chair, anyone who has ever seen a child gasping for
breath due to a persistent asthma problem, which are most of us in
America, should be adamantly opposed to this amendment, because it
would strip the legal right and obligation of Uncle Sam to protect our
children's right to breathe.
Now I just heard something incredible from one of my Republican
colleagues. They said they were astounded at the precept that Uncle Sam
has that responsibility. Well, you know we've had that responsibility
for 40 years. Under the guidance of the idea of Teddy Roosevelt and
Republican Richard Nixon, we adopted the Clean Air Act 40 years ago,
through a bipartisan effort. And that Clean Air Act has prevented 18
million cases of respiratory problems in our kids, 840,000 severe
asthma hospitalizations and 200,000 deaths.
And as a result of that success, do you know what the Republican
Party wants to do tonight? They want to effectively repeal the Clean
Air Act when it comes to these gases. And these are not benign gases.
Carbon dioxide, hydrofluorocarbons, methane, nitrous oxide, sulfur
hexafluoride, perfluorocarbons. They want to hide and say we're not
repealing the Clean Air Act, we're just making it illegal to enforce
it. It won't do to say we're going to make it illegal for the FBI to
arrest terrorists.
Look, Americans are opposed to repealing the Clean Air Act, and they
are opposed to the Republicans making it impossible for the EPA to do
their job, by a 2-to-1 margin, and they're opposed to it for several
reasons.
Number one, Republicans and Democrats both believe we have a legal
obligation to protect our kids from asthma. It's that simple. And
Republicans and Democrats share one common precept. We both like to
breathe. And that breathing is now in question for our kids. It's
incredible to me to think the Republicans are going to leave our kids
breathless on occasion. That is breathless in itself.
Number two, this really is an attack on science, because the science
is very clear on this. You quote from all the scientific research. Dr.
Jacobson--and this I just want to quote--showed by cause and effect
that carbon dioxide emitted regionally around the globe increases
ozone, particle and carcinogen air pollution health problems in the
United States. The science shows this is a problem. And we ought to
embrace science as Republicans and Democrats instead of listening to
the polluting industries, which want to give license to put untold,
indefinite, infinite amounts of these carcinogens into our atmosphere.
That is just plumb wrong.
The third reason Americans know this Republican effort to gut the
Clean Air Act is wrong. They are not attempting to revise a rule or
modify a rule, or come to us with some commonsense effort to make it
work. They are eliminating the ability of the Federal Government to
protect the air we breathe in total--a one hundred percent elimination
of the ability of EPA legally to follow this rule.
The Supreme Court ruled last year that this is a legal obligation.
Some of my Republican colleagues said, yeah, that was only a 5-4
decision, so I guess we can ignore it. Well, that 5-4 decision seemed
to have been good enough in Bush v. Gore for them. It ought to be good
enough to follow the law of the land, which is to enforce this clean
air law for the benefit of our children.
The fourth reason Americans are opposed to this Republican effort to
stop EPA from doing its job. Americans know today we are in a race for
job creation, and that race is with China.
The Acting CHAIR. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. MORAN. I yield the gentleman an additional 1 minute.
Mr. INSLEE. The fact of the matter is Americans know we are in a race
today for job creation, and that is a race with China to find out who
is going to sell the products and who is going to have the jobs in
electric cars, in solar panels, in wind turbines, in efficiency, in
electric charging stations, in new efficiencies to make our homes and
businesses run more efficiently. And tonight the Chinese are laughing
at us, that the Republicans would come here and take the pedal off the
metal, which is the EPA, to try to drive investment to these new clean
energy sources.
These are the jobs of the future. If we're going to have these jobs
of the future, we have to start moving off of this pollution and stop
accepting this pollution. We have to get in this global game. And if we
get in this global game, we're going to win. The reason we're going to
win is we're the country that went to the Moon, and we are the country
with the innovative talent and the creative spirit and the business
people that can grow these nonpolluting industries. But not if the
Republicans get their way and just let pollution continue.
Let's reject this flawed attempt to gut the Clean Air Act.
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Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chair, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. POE of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman
from Texas (Mr. Barton), who knows as much about the Clean Air Act as
anybody.
(Mr. BARTON of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and
extend his remarks.)
Mr. BARTON of Texas. So much to say, so little time.
Mr. Chairman, first, let me point out that CO2, the
greenhouse gas that is most under discussion, is not a pollutant under
the classical definition of the
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Clean Air Act. I am creating CO2 as I speak. The gentleman
from Washington, who was just speaking, as he spoke, was creating
CO2. If you have a carbonated beverage, the reason it
bubbles and it is called ``carbonated'' is because of CO2.
Greenhouse gases are necessary to human life. They're what keep the
planet warm. They're what trap heat so we have an atmosphere that we
can exist in.
There is not a definition of a health exposure to CO2. The
theory that CO2 is harmful is based on a theory that the
amount of greenhouse gases, specifically CO2, in the upper
atmosphere, as it increases, so many parts per billion somehow affect
the ability of the Earth to accumulate or dispense heat. It is a
theory. There is nobody in this country or anywhere in the world who
has been harmed because of manmade CO2. You cannot point to
cases of CO2 poisoning.
So, when my friends who oppose this amendment talk about carbon
pollution, they're using a definition that is very loose and very
nebulous.
The second point is that there is no question that the Clean Air Act,
as passed and as amended in 1990, did not include CO2 as a
criterion pollutant. Because of a case, Massachusetts vs. EPA, the
Supreme Court ruled--and my friend from Washington was correct--5-4
that the EPA could make a decision to regulate CO2. Could--
not should, not must--but could.
The Bush administration began a process to analyze that decision. The
Obama administration came in, and within the first 90 days, issued an
endangerment finding, not based on independent analysis, but based more
on press releases as far as I can say. They said, yes, by golly, that
CO2 was a pollutant and that, yes, they could regulate it.
They have since been trying to shoehorn CO2 regulation into
the tenets of the original Clean Air Act.
The amendment before us this evening that Mr. Poe, Mr. Carter, and I
have promulgated simply says: Let's take a timeout on CO2
regulation for the next 7 months. Let's actually define what the
greenhouse gases are that we want to look at, and let's restrict the
analysis to stationary sources on the regulations that are implemented
after January 2011.
The Acting CHAIR. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. POE of Texas. I yield the gentleman an additional 20 seconds.
Mr. BARTON of Texas. There is no question that if you regulate
CO2 under the Clean Air Act you are going to destroy
millions of jobs, which will cost hundreds of billions of dollars,
without any real economic analysis to show that it is a harm.
So I support the Poe-Carter-Barton amendment, and I hope that the
whole House will.
Mr. POE of Texas. I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, there are actually a couple of points that I
would share with the gentleman who had been the ranking member and who
is now the senior member of the Energy and Commerce Committee.
The committee could pass legislation if they chose. I don't think
this is the correct vehicle, a continuing resolution on funding
activities, to be making law with regard to the Clean Air Act.
Secondly, as Mr. Inslee informs me, the 5-4 decision of the Supreme
Court said if you can show that there is an adverse health effect, then
EPA is required by law to address that. That's what EPA is trying to
do. That's what this amendment would prevent EPA from doing.
Now, it is not theory. Climate change is fact. It is real. Future
generations will look back upon this generation and will wonder, how
could our parents and grandparents have been so unmindful of the health
effects that our families are experiencing.
The Acting CHAIR. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Mr. BARTON of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to extend
for 30 seconds the remaining time on both sides.
The Acting CHAIR. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman
from Texas?
There was no objection.
Mr. MORAN. That is certainly fair. I thank the gentleman.
Mr. Chairman, there is an ongoing discussion as to theory and fact.
We are convinced that the facts are there. They are science-driven
facts. In fact, the melting of the polar ice cap has had a direct
effect upon the concentration of moisture in the atmosphere, which is
then causing the volatility: the extreme nature of the snowstorms, the
flooding, even the droughts that we have been experiencing. There is no
question but that in the last decade we have had the warmest years on
record.
These are facts, but this is not the vehicle in which they should be
debated and at 1 a.m. in the morning. I just simply would urge that we
defeat this amendment. It is the wrong amendment and the wrong vehicle.
The Acting CHAIR. The time of the gentleman has again expired.
The gentleman from Texas has 45 seconds remaining.
Mr. POE of Texas. It is my understanding that the committee is going
to move a standalone bill in the next few months on the very issue of
CO2.
Mr. Chairman, this amendment is very simple. It prohibits the EPA
from overreaching and from expanding its authority that Congress, in my
opinion, has not given it to do. CO2. We all breathe
CO2. Climate changes, but there is no evidence at all that
it is manmade CO2 that causes the climate to change. The
climate has been changing, well, for thousands and thousands of years.
I urge my fellow Members of this House to support this amendment to
rein in the oppressiveness of the EPA. States like Texas already
regulate the air through their State regulatory processes, so I ask
that all Members support amendment No. 466.
Mr. POE of Texas. I yield back the balance of my time.
The Acting CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the
gentleman from Texas (Mr. Poe).
The question was taken; and the Acting Chair announced that the ayes
appeared to have it.
Mr. POE of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
The Acting CHAIR. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, further
proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Texas will
be postponed.
Mr. CARTER. Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee do now rise.
The motion was agreed to.
Accordingly, the Committee rose; and the Speaker pro tempore (Mr.
Simpson) having assumed the chair, Mr. Gingrey of Georgia, Acting Chair
of the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union, reported
that that Committee, having had under consideration the bill (H.R. 1)
making appropriations for the Department of Defense and the other
departments and agencies of the Government for the fiscal year ending
September 30, 2011, and for other purposes, had come to no resolution
thereon.
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