[Congressional Record Volume 156, Number 112 (Wednesday, July 28, 2010)]
[House]
[Pages H6270-H6276]
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POSITIVE SOLUTIONS
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Perriello). Under the Speaker's
announced policy of January 6, 2009, the gentleman from Georgia (Mr.
Graves) is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority
leader.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I guess I rise at an appropriate
time to follow the dialogue that we just heard.
It amazes me, as I'm here now on my 44th day in the House of
Representatives, and it seems like on each and every day I've heard the
other side of the aisle do nothing but blame a previous administration
for the failings of today. It is my hope that at some point they will
begin taking responsibility for some of the policy actions.
But what we're here to talk about tonight are positive solutions.
We've heard a lot of blaming and name calling here over the past
several weeks, and we're here tonight to talk about positive solutions
to some of the difficult challenges.
So to the colleagues that were just speaking, we're here to call your
bluff. You said come call your bluff, well, here we are, and I've got
some good gentlemen that are going to join me. But what I want to start
out with today is we're going to talk about the kitchen table
solutions.
As you may have heard, we have had a program here where we've been
actually going out and seeking solutions from the American people, not
from our leadership, not from a political party, but from the American
people; and it's called America Speaking Out. And there have been more
than 12,000 specific ideas generated from the American people, more
than 600,000 votes cast on these ideas as to what is most important.
And so the top concerns from the kitchen table all across America:
number one, jobs--and I think we've been saying, where are the jobs?
Number two, spending. Why isn't the Federal Government balancing their
checkbook? And then health care, ObamaCare itself. So that's what we
are going to talk about tonight.
As we move through this, I know we have some colleagues that are
going to join me. My good colleague from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey) is going
to be with us and also Mr. Thompson from Pennsylvania. But first we're
going to talk about the number one issue facing America: jobs, jobs
creation.
We have a few quotes here. One--this is, I guess, just from last
year, it says: ``Our stimulus plan will likely save''--``likely,'' key
word--``save or create 3 to 4 million jobs. Ninety percent of these
jobs will be created in the private sector and the remaining 10 percent
in the public sector.'' But now the public sector has lost nearly 8
million jobs in the last 2 years; government has gained 656,000 jobs.
So when our colleagues from the other side of the aisle stood here a
minute ago and said jobs have been created, they were in fact true; but
they were created in the public sector, not the private sector.
And then it also says estimated unemployment without the stimulus
would be 8.8 percent this year. Well, with all of the stimulus
bailouts, buyouts, Cash for Clunkers, you ring it all up, unemployment
in May was 9.7; far exceeded their expectations. So obviously the plans
are not working.
So what have been the job killers? Excessive taxation, insufficient
liquidity, economic uncertainty, and red tape and government mandates.
So over the last year we've seen nearly double-digit unemployment, the
debt is continuing to grow, we've got a job-killing agenda, and
according to the National Federation of Independent Businesses, one in
six small businesses are concerned about the uncertainty of the future.
Fifteen million people out of jobs, out of work right now, unemployment
at its highest rate in 25 years, and the private sector, again, has
lost 8 million jobs.
So we heard a minute ago, stimulus: that was creating all the jobs,
that was going to take care of America. Well, I think about stimulus
and health care and all that we saw last year, and it brought Americans
to the National Capital last year. If you will remember, on September
12, Americans from all over this Nation rode on buses here, flew on
airplanes to celebrate--was it to celebrate or to speak out against
what has been done? And we all know the American people are not happy
right now.
So what is coming up next? 2011, 5 months away, under the leadership
here in Congress, we will see taxes go up on each and every American.
We heard ``middle class tax cuts'' just a few minutes ago. There aren't
going to be any middle class tax cuts; in fact, every tax rate goes up
for every American all across the country in so many different ways.
Every individual tax bracket goes up. We have a marriage penalty, the
Child Tax Credit will be cut in half. It doesn't sound like a tax cut
to me; it's actually a tax increase. And then farmers, small business
owners will see their tax rate go up to 55 percent in the States. And
then of course capital gains and dividend taxes will rise as a result
of the leadership here in Washington.
So much to do, so much to do. The good thing is that we have positive
solutions. That's what we are here to talk about tonight. I know my
good friend, Mr. Thompson from Pennsylvania, is a good leader on job
creation and is working hard in that area. I would love to have you
join us, if you
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would like, to share with us some positive solutions here to get
Americans back to work. And does that include public sector jobs or
private sector jobs?
Mr. THOMPSON of Pennsylvania. I thank my good friend for coordinating
this hour tonight, very important hour. This is about real solutions,
not the types of policies we've seen over these past 19 months which
has grown the size of government--bloated the size of government,
actually. We have increased the deficit to the point that what we have
is a legacy of debt. There is not a generation, I don't think, that
ever wants to have it so that--we always want to leave this country
better than what we found it, to pass it on to our children and our
grandchildren. Yet with the trend that we have been on from the
leadership, or the lack of leadership, from my colleagues across the
aisle in terms of the taxing, the spending, the borrowing, what we have
today for the generations to follow us is just a tremendous legacy of
debt.
I think the data that just recently came out showed the deficit
pushing $14 trillion, $14 trillion. But you know what? There are better
ways. We've been working on these. These are not new ideas. We've had
bills that we have introduced. Unfortunately, the Speaker has control
over what bills get to the floor. We have many solutions. What I call
is, as opposed to Big Government solutions which we've been seeing,
we've been working on smart government solutions, those that truly
stimulate the economy--or would stimulate the economy if we were able
to get moving on those.
Many of those have to do with who the true economic engine is in this
country, and frankly that economic engine is small business. There are
over 20 million small businesses in this country. These are the folks
who take risk. They're the ones that work 6, 7 days a week; they're
putting in those 16- and 17-hour days. Many times they do that without
taking a dollar back for themselves. They keep reinvesting in their
companies. They're growing jobs. They've got that American Dream, and
they are trying to live that dream. Unfortunately, what we've seen in
the past 19 months is this government, the Obama administration and
Speaker Pelosi, just crushing those dreams.
On back home, I describe it as, if the economy is a football game,
there are yellow flags flying everywhere for piling on the backs of
small businesses. Actually, a former colleague here, Dick Armey, I
understand once described it--it was a great description, I repeat it
often--that if the economy is a horse race, and of course the economy
is the horse and government is the jockey, at whatever point the jockey
becomes larger than the horse, you know you've got problems. And that's
what we have today.
We've been working on things and looking at trying to reduce the
costs for small businesses, and it has been very challenging to do in
the 111th Congress with the folks that we have here.
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To start out with, I'll share one bill that I have that I've been
working on, which I introduced some time ago. It was to allow
individuals--entrepreneurs--who have this vision, who have this
American dream, to be able to take some money and to be able to put
that money into a tax-deferred savings account. It allows them to do
that on a regular basis and to build that amount of money up. You know,
they've got the dream. They've got the idea. They know what they want
to do. When they've accumulated enough of the tax-deferred savings,
they can use that money to purchase maybe physical property, maybe the
resources, equipment or capital they need to start that business and to
be able to stimulate a new business that grows jobs.
That is just one of, obviously, I think, thousands of ideas that
we've been working on as Republicans. You know, we are often accused of
being the party of ``no,'' N-O. Well, that's a partial truth, actually.
There are a lot of half-truths around Capitol Hill. The fact is we are
the party of ``know,'' K-N-O-W. More importantly than that, we are
listening to the American people.
I thank my colleague for really emphasizing tonight America Speaking
Out and the fact that we are here as public servants.
We are here to work for the American people. That means we want to
have a dialogue. That means we want to be communicating with the people
we work for. So America Speaking Out is just a great program that has
allowed Americans from coast to coast to be able to do that. That, to
me, is so important. I look forward to it.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. Well, let's get to some simple facts, because
you're right. America has been speaking out. The main thing they've
been asking is: Where are the jobs?
Just in the last year, we know there have been 2.5 million jobs lost
here in the United States. So, you know, I guess a great admittance to
that is the fact that the Democrats were pushing through the expansion
or the extension of the unemployment benefits. If, in fact, their
policies were to work or were working, there would be no need to extend
unemployment benefits. The truth is they had to extend them because
their policies aren't working.
Let's get to some simple facts here real quick. I'm a finance major.
You know, the problem is not that difficult. The challenges are
certainly great, but the facts are simple. There is a commonsense
equation here.
We have total employers in the United States of about 24 million. The
unemployment rate is 9.5 percent. We have about 14.6 million unemployed
Americans right now. So there is a simple equation, which is, if one in
three businesses hired just one employee over the next year, the
unemployment rate would be 4.4 percent. That gets it to reasonable,
sensible, easy-to-understand ideas.
Here is the equation: If one in three businesses adds one new hire in
the next 12 months, unemployment is down to 4.4 percent.
So the question is: How do businesses get to this point where they
hire that next person? Right now, they're not doing it, and there is a
reason for that. It is called ``uncertainty.'' It is the uncertainty of
what is about to happen to them next--and I think we know the tax
increases that are coming and things like that. It's certainly scaring
businesses.
So what are some of the solutions?
I guess the broader solution is getting government out of the way of
job creation and fighting the efforts here, you know, that we've seen
as they're pushing through the largest tax increase in the history of
this country, and it is coming in 5 months.
Yet today, here tonight, right before us, stood Members of the other
party, saying, Oh, middle class tax cuts. That's not what is happening.
In 5 months, we will have the largest tax increase in the history of
this Nation. We need to return to spending levels that were from the
2008 levels and then roll back taxes. You know, we often hear them say,
Oh, those big corporate tax breaks. Well, guess who hires Americans?
Businesses. Wouldn't it be sensible to relieve them of some of the tax
burdens here in the United States instead of increasing taxes like
they're going to do? Then, of course, there's rolling back the
regulatory burdens that we see. There is so much to do, so much to do.
We heard them a few minutes ago say, Well, Republicans have voted
against these job-creation packages. Well, I don't know that any of
those packages have been successful, so it's probably a good thing that
Republicans have voted against them.
The fact is they have a majority that is far greater than the
Republicans. They can push through anything they want to push through,
and they have certainly been doing that against the will of the
American people.
Mr. GOHMERT. Will the gentleman yield for a question?
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. Yes, sir.
Thank you for joining us.
Mr. GOHMERT. I love having a new Congressman here who's so good at
math.
The question is: We have heard repeatedly that the majority wants to
have a green economy like that in Spain. Now we've heard from Spain,
and it turns out they're having to abandon their green effort at a
green economy because they have determined that, every time they
created one green job, they lost two regular jobs in the economy.
I was just wondering if the gentleman from Georgia would make a
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calculation and figure out how long it would take us to get to the 4
percent unemployment rate if we were to lose two jobs for every one job
the majority were to create under their green plan.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. I think we'd be going backwards a little bit.
You're right.
I mean the fact is we need to empower the business community. We need
to embrace the entrepreneurial spirit. We need to equip them with lower
burdens of regulation, and we need to lower tax rates. We do not need
to be creating jobs as a government. Instead, we need the private
sector to be creating jobs. It's a zero sum game. There are only so
many employees in the United States, and if more of them are shifting
to the public sector, it is only taking intellectual capital and wealth
out of the private sector.
I would love to turn it over to my good colleague from Georgia (Mr.
Gingrey).
Thank you for joining us on this late evening to talk about getting
this country back on track.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from
Ranger in Gordon County. It's almost my district. We have contiguous
congressional districts, and we have the privilege, actually, of
sharing Gordon County.
The gentleman from Ranger, Representative Graves, has done a great
job in a short period of time, Mr. Speaker, in the House of
Representatives, and he knows of what he speaks. I mean this is the
kind of work that he did in the Georgia House of Representatives, and
he represented us extremely well at the State level. It is really
interesting to see him on the floor of the House of Representatives
now, here to explain to the American people and to our colleagues, Mr.
Speaker, what truly is going on here.
He and I had the privilege, I guess you could say, of watching the
previous hour, of watching our colleagues from the Democratic majority.
It seems, Mr. Speaker, that they spent an hour whining about
competition from other countries, particularly from China. They wanted
to focus in on China and talk about, you know, all of these unfair
trade practices and what China is doing in regard to their currency and
dumping and all of these things. You'd think there were, indeed, no
World Trade Organization to police anything. Yet it was, you know, a
whole hour of blaming other countries for the woes that we have in our
country.
As Representative Graves pointed out, the fact is that we have an
unemployment rate of 10 percent, and 16 million people are out of work.
I even heard from the other side of the aisle, Mr. Speaker, the
Representative from Wisconsin, the distinguished Dr. Kagen, say that
the problem is that the economic stimulus package of February 2009 of
$862 billion--that's right, with a ``b''--was not enough, that they
just simply didn't pour enough money into this problem.
Of course, we all know on this side of the aisle that we conservative
Republicans are going to continue to fight this plan the Democratic
majority has of just spending more money. You cannot spend your way out
of debt. Every family in this country understands that and understands
that very clearly. We'll talk about this in the ensuing hour as we
proceed with the colloquy.
As Representative Graves points out, Mr. Speaker, the problem is not
them. The problem is us. We can blame other countries all we want for
our own woes. We can blame Greece. We can blame Spain. They spent an
hour blaming China. How about blaming our tax policy that has a
corporate tax rate of 35 percent? It is one of the highest rates of any
industrialized country. While all of the other countries in Western
Europe are lowering their corporate tax rates, we just leave it alone.
We don't do anything about it.
As the gentleman from Calhoun and from Gordon County just said, we
are about to let--not ``we,'' but you, Mr. Speaker, and the Democratic
majority--the Bush tax cuts expire.
Representatives Graves talks about marginal rates. He didn't have a
chance yet--and I'm sure he will--to get into the estate tax and,
instead of there being a 15 percent tax on dividends, letting it go up
to the marginal rate, indeed up to 39.6 percent, and letting capital
gains go back up from 10 or 15 percent to 20 percent.
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These are the job killers. All of these regulations, union wages,
kowtowing to them, giving them special deals, paying them, in many
instances far more, and, indeed, even letting them work Federal jobs
and negotiate union activities while they're supposed to be working for
the taxpayer.
I could go on and on, but I want to yield back to the gentleman
controlling the time and look forward to my colleagues as we go through
this hour.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. Well, let's take a quick glance at where we
are from a perspective financially, and then the positive solution of
balancing the budget. Imagine that, balancing the budget, balancing the
checkbook here at the Federal Government.
Well, here's the truth of where we are. And we heard earlier when our
friends from the other side were talking about how good it was since
the new administration has taken over. Well, here's some facts. The
facts don't lie. I mean, the truth is that the deficit under this
current administration and leadership has just blossomed tremendously
since they've taken charge.
Now, we've heard a lot. In my 44 days, I've heard so much about
President Bush, President Bush, the last 8 years, his administration.
But you know what? I think they've had a little bit of amnesia, because
they took the majority in 2006, swore in their Speaker in 2007, and
look what happened. From that point forward, the deficit bloomed and
unemployment increased.
It all works together simultaneously, but yet they want to look back
over the full decade and forget that, You know what? They're
responsible. They were in a governing position, and yet they don't want
to accept the responsibility of governing.
So that leads us to where we are right now, at a point of lack of
governing, because for the first time since 1974 no budget has been
presented here. And the question is: Where's the budget?
And right here you can read the quote. It says, Skipping a budget
resolution this year would be unprecedented. And we've seen a lot of
unprecedented things over the last several months, but this, in itself,
is unprecedented. The House has never failed to pass an annual budget
resolution since the current budget rules were put into place in 1974.
And that's reported here back in April.
But budgets are necessary, according to the leadership here. Steny
Hoyer, our current majority leader, said, enacting a budget was the
most basic responsibility of governing. That was the year they took
over, the year they took over. And since then, look what's happened.
And then, of course, from the House Budget Committee chairman, if you
can't budget, you can't govern. Right there it is.
Well, that leads us to today. I believe it's time to let the American
people know that we have solutions to balance the budget and actually
have a proposal in place, and that, I can tell the American people,
hasn't got a hearing. I wonder why. I wonder why.
H. Con. Res. 281, which I know many of the colleagues here have
signed on to it--I'm not sure if one would want to speak to it in its
specifics, but it provides tax relief, returns to 2008 spending levels,
makes no changes to the Social Security laws as they currently are,
provides spending increases equivalent to the inflation growth in
Medicare and Medicaid, requires each committee in this House to find
savings equal to 1 percent of the mandatory spending, repeals the
Troubled Asset Relief Program, TARP, repeals TARP, repeals ObamaCare,
and then also provides medical liability reform, freedom to purchase
health care across State lines, repeals Davis-Bacon, so many other
things, great concepts there. And I'm sure you'd like to speak to some
of those and the need, the importance of balancing the budget here in
the United States Congress.
Mr. GOHMERT. I appreciate my new friend for yielding.
And going back to a comment from good Dr. Gingrey from Georgia about
the $862 billion stimulus package, because I know he recalls and others
recall that CBO told us that it was a $787 billion stimulus package.
And lo and behold, we get here a year later, and they say, Oh, you know
what? We blew it by about 15 percent. We just blew it.
Most statistical analysts say, you know, it's within the margin of
error, 2
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to 4 percent. Not with CBO here. You know, maybe we can blow it 25
percent, in this case, 15 percent or so. Whoops.
In a year's time, we were $100 billion off the mark. Really, to be
fair, $80 billion off the mark. But still, that points out just how
irresponsible things have gotten.
And when you look at the numbers, too, you find out that CBO really
has been a bit of a willing ally, an accomplice, complicit in what's
been going on. They told the country, okay, this ridiculous health care
bill that's going to bankrupt the country, we're already finding,
they're already starting to tell people we're going to have to ration
your care. And, by the way, it's going to cost about $250 billion more
than we thought it would. We just misplaced some numbers somehow,
because if we had found them before the bill came for a vote, people
had said they wouldn't vote for it if it was more than $1 trillion.
Well, what difference does another $250 billion make when you're
putting us in debt $1 trillion? But the CBO just magically forgot,
misplaced, you know, 200, $250 billion or so until after it passed, and
then within a matter of a couple of months they found it.
We're in trouble here and we need to get rid of CBO. We need to get
some kind of independent group, whether it's Moody's or some other,
that can do an adequate statistical analysis.
But the games that are being played with jobs would be comical if it
weren't representing real people hurting, real people hurting. And I
proposed a year and a half ago that instead of spending $1 trillion,
and we were told that we may be spending $3 to $9 trillion just to try
to get the economy going. Hey, spend $1.21 trillion and you would let
everybody in America forego paying any income tax for the year. You let
people keep their own money and they would jump-start this economy.
Yet, what our friends across the aisle are saying, ``No, no, no. Our
friends across the aisle want to give tax cuts and allow the lower
rates only to go to the wealthy.'' Because the way they identify it,
the 53 percent of adult Americans that will pay all of the income tax
this year they consider to be the wealthy. And so what they're, in
effect, saying is the Republicans want to give tax relief to the only
people paying the taxes.
``We, on our side of the aisle, we want to give tax relief to all the
people that aren't paying any tax.'' Well, there's another name for
that. It's called redistribution of the wealth. It means those who have
not been able to earn anything will have money taken away from those
that earned it and given to those who didn't.
We need to help those that can't help themselves, no question. But we
do not need to become a government that did what I saw as a judge,
where the government lures people into a rut they can never get out of
and gives them no hope, no way out, just still feeding them a little
unemployment check, feeding them a little check here and there just to
keep them in a rut with no help getting out.
It's time to blow the lid off this thing and get an economy going
where small businesses create the jobs. Yes, the small businesses are
the ones that need the tax cuts. They certainly don't need the biggest
tax increase in American history that's coming in January. They're the
ones that are going to provide the hope for creating the jobs.
And so I hope and pray we'll be able to help the small businesses
create the jobs instead of just doling out these little temporary
census worker jobs, which, as my friends know, was all that happened in
June. 411,000 out of 431,000 jobs created in America were temporary
census jobs.
I yield back to my friend from Georgia.
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Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. You know what's so exciting about this America
Speaking Out program is that we're getting ideas from Americans that
are sitting around the kitchen table and they're talking about what
would they do if they were in charge. What would they do if they were
making these decisions. As they're watching the TV, and oftentimes in
disgust seeing what comes out of Washington, D.C. The ideas that they
have proposed and the thousands of connections that have been made.
And I took that to my district and somewhat implemented a program
much like that and developed an economic advisory council of business
and community leaders from each and every county in my district to seek
input from them to tear down that wall. Because for far too long
Washington has not been listening. And so we just took that wall down
and said, hey, we want your ideas so we can push them up and present
them here to the full House as the ideas from Main Street itself, not
from Capitol Hill. But we need the ideas from the hills of north
Georgia, are where the ideas come from, and the hills from all over
this great Nation.
But you know, balancing the budget is a great start. Every American
family has to balance their checkbook. But yet right now, here, leading
by example, a terrible example is a Federal Government that is so far
outside of its bounds with deficit spending and increasing its debt,
it's unsustainable.
So I guess the Republicans have a solution right here. House
Concurrent Resolution 281 balances the budget, cuts taxes, and cuts
spending, something that's unheard of here in Washington, D.C. When
every State and local government all around this Nation's cutting
spending right now, every family's cutting spending out of their
personal budget, here on the Federal level we just keep spending,
spending, spending.
Mr. Thompson, you looked like you had something good to add to the
conversation here.
Mr. THOMPSON of Pennsylvania. Well, I thank my good friend. And I
want to come back to one word I think that really describes what is
suppressing jobs, what is killing jobs, what is keeping jobs from being
created. And that is uncertainty. Uncertainty is the direct result of
all the policies we've seen piled upon the American economy in the past
19 months. And you know, as I travel around in my district, just like
you do, you talk with the job creators, you talk with the people who
take the risks, that every year take their profits--and no, that's not
a bad word, that's a good word. That's how we've grown and built this
wonderful Nation, on the backs of entrepreneurs and small business men
and women.
And they take their profits and they reinvest them back in their
company. And they add a product line or they build a new site. They
hire people. Well, they're not doing that right now. They're sitting on
the sidelines. And that's a direct result of just all the terrible
policies that have been crushing our small businesses.
When I think over this past 19 months, and I'm in my first term here,
you know how many times taxes have been raised? Now, we're looking at
the largest tax increase ever that's looming. And we should talk more
about that. But we should not lose sight of the fact that taxes have
already been raised tremendously on these job creators, these small
businesses.
Now, my colleagues across the other side will say, well, we only
taxed the wealthy, those folks who made somewhere around $200,000 or
more a year. And you know, where I come from, yeah, that's a lot of
money. Absolutely. But when you really drill down and you look at who
those people are, 60 percent of those folks are small business owners
whose small businesses are organized as a limited liability corporation
or an S corporation. They pay their taxes as individuals. And out of
that maybe $200,000, if they are lucky, that they generate, they're
paying a payroll, they're employing people, they're providing family-
sustaining jobs. And, you know, I've lost count of how many times
they've raised taxes on those folks since January 2009. It's crushing.
And you talked about the largest tax increase ever. And this has been
my fear all along, that 2009 was a really tough year. 2010's a tough
year. But it's been--you know, there's almost like an anesthesia that,
Doc, that's been applied. You know, all this government money's been
thrown at people so it makes folks feel a little bit better because
unemployment went down. But as my good friend from Texas noted, a lot
of those were temporary government sector jobs that drove down
unemployment nationally for a short time. Never went down much less
than 10 percent, but it took the edge off.
Well, my greatest fear is in January 2011 we're going right off the
cliff. Because that's when these new taxes,
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these new regulations--we've tripled the size of the Environmental
Protection Agency, although around home I refer to them as the
Excessive Punishment Agency. You know, all that takes effect beginning
January of 2011. And then you put on top of that the things that you've
talked about, the largest tax increase ever, $3.8 trillion. What will
that be? Well, we are going to see the marriage penalty is going to
return. The child tax credit's going to be halved. The death tax, which
I think is just double taxation at the least. We put a tax on
somebody's death.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. Let's stop there for a second. You're talking
about the marriage tax. Now, those are the people, the wealthy married
people or is that all married people? That's everyone, right?
Mr. THOMPSON of Pennsylvania. That's everybody.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. And now the individuals with children are the
ones getting the penalty here, the ones who are the wealthy, or is it
everyone who has children?
Mr. THOMPSON of Pennsylvania. It's everyone.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. It is everyone. So the fact that they stood
over here, what, 40 minutes ago and said, oh, these are tax cuts for
the middle class, that's not the case. The largest tax increase in the
history of this Nation will occur in 5 months. But we have a bill that
we've introduced, and I am sure y'all have cosponsored it, I
cosponsored it, to block that, to block that tax increase, and to allow
the taxes to remain at the level they are today. And of course we would
want to see them lowered. But it's not a tax cut. We're just saying,
hey, keep it at the level it is. Don't raise them. Because that's what
they are doing. They're raising taxes.
Let me finish this balance the checkbook thing real quick, and we'll
talk about confidence in a minute. So balance the checkbook.
Republicans, we're saying let's cut spending. Let's stop this excessive
spending that's going on here in Washington. We can do that by
repealing the unused portions of the stimulus bill. They talk about how
great it's been, the grand fanfare of the stimulus, when in fact a
third of it hasn't even been spent, which means, again, it's not
working.
We need to end the bailouts. And then of course the big one, repeal
ObamaCare, which is a nearly $600 billion tax increase on all Americans
and businesses all over the United States.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. If the gentleman will yield.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. Billion, right, that's nine zeroes.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. In regard to America Speaking Out, the
poster--if you don't mind, Mr. Speaker, have the gentleman put that
America Speaking Out poster back up so our colleagues can take a good
look at it. I was just, as I stood here, thinking about our colleagues
from the majority side of the aisle who had the previous hour. There
was a Member from Ohio, there was a Member from Wisconsin, and there
was a Member from California.
And I will just bet you, Mr. Speaker, if the folks in those great
States will take the opportunity of going on that Web site,
www.AmericaSpeakingOut
.com, and input what their concerns are, it would probably mirror what
is on that poster that Representative Graves has presented to our
colleagues this evening in regard to balance the checkbook, cut
spending, repeal the stimulus, $862 billion. Indeed, the Representative
from Wisconsin said that wasn't enough spending; we need to spend more.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. This is what Americans are saying right here.
Americans did not go to AmericaSpeakingOut.com--and this is
nonpartisan, it's confidential--Americans did not go to that Web site
and say increase spending. They did not say increase the stimulus and
do another one. They did not say continue the bailouts or keep
ObamaCare. They actually said stop all this stuff. Stop it. That was
America speaking out right here.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. If the gentleman will yield, I would say that
the gentleman is absolute, Mr. Speaker, right on target. And he said a
key word. And that is that this is a nonpartisan Web site. Yes, it is
created by the Republican minority for all of America to let us know,
whether they be Democrats, Republicans, independents, libertarians,
whatever. Let them have the opportunity to tell us, and let's have a
bubble-up-from-the-bottom contract with America, not a top-down driven
government-knows-better-than-anybody-else kind of plan that it seems
the Democratic majority is heck bent and determined to force on the
American people, just as they tried to force a year-and-a-half ago cap-
and-trade, an energy policy that was run amok, that would result in
probably $1,500 minimum a year per family in increased energy costs.
And then of course they come right back after that with this
ObamaCare that Representative Graves is talking about. He mentioned the
$600 billion worth of increased taxes to pay for it.
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What he didn't mention was the additional $525 billion cut to the
Medicare program, which we all know, all four of us know, is $75
trillion of unfunded liability over the next 50 years, and you're going
to gut it 12 percent a year and then have the unmitigated gall, Mr.
Speaker, to spend taxpayer money and send out these brochures, these
glossy, fancy Medicare brochures assuring seniors that it's going to be
better for them to cut their programs 12 percent a year and Medicare
Advantage 18 percent a year.
I think the American people know better, and I think that the folks
in Wisconsin, the folks in Ohio, and the folks in California are going
to let those three Representatives know and give them a sure earful
when they get back to their districts come August recess.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. Thank you, Dr. Gingrey. You are absolutely
right.
Now, let me summarize. We've been talking about solutions here
tonight. First one we were talking about was job creation. Certainty
was mentioned by Mr. Thompson there. Uncertainty being the problem;
certainty being the solution. So some certainty would be let's pass
this legislation that blocks the largest tax increase in the history of
our Nation. Let's get some of this regulation out of the way. Let's
empower the small business owners and just embrace and ignite that
entrepreneurial spirit. The solutions to job creation.
The second component we were talking about is the spending and
balancing the budget. It's time to cut spending. Let's say enough is
enough here in Washington. All of America, all businesses, all State,
all local governments are cutting spending, whereas here we are, we're
raising spending. But we've even gone a step further, taken a bold step
and said, we've got a plan to balance the budget here for the Federal
Government.
And now the third category, which I think really involved the
American people last year, not in a positive way because they weren't
engaged in the process, because it was a process that was behind closed
doors, but it raised the awareness of the abuse of the process and the
abuse of the rules and abuse of the system right here, and that was
health care.
As we've talked about America Speaking Out, repealing ObamaCare was
one of the top items mentioned or indicated out of the--what did we
say, nearly 12,000 respondents, 12,000 specific ideas and 600,000 votes
cast for different ideas. We've got an interesting chart here, and this
will be the debut I believe of it publicly to show the health care plan
as passed, the health care plan as passed.
It was approached or presented as a plan that was patient friendly,
right? Isn't that what it's called, the Patient Protection Act? This is
the ObamaCare health care plan in a schematic of what occurred out of
the 2,000 pages of legislation. They're still today figuring out that
portions of it were in there that they never expected or knew were in
there, including new additional taxes.
But let me point out as we discuss this, and I know, Doctor, you've
probably got a lot of insight into it because we do have an alternative
plan. We had one then, it was presented then, but it's still in
committee right now.
But let me point out to those watching. Here's the physician at this
point. Here's the patient down here at this point, and all of this
government is in between. How is that better for the American patient,
for the young boy
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that's needing care? How is this better for that young single mom who's
just trying to get care for her child? This is not better. This is a
mess, a governmental nightmare right here, and this is as it's passed
and has been signed into law, the Obama health care plan.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. If the gentleman will yield, Mr. Speaker,
this is absolutely astounding. I have seen that chart before, not maybe
in quite such a vivid highlight and outline, but Mr. Speaker, my degree
is in chemistry. And when I first saw Representative Graves put that
chart up for all of our colleagues to see, I thought that was the
periodic table. Really, it took me back to my chemistry days and the
periodic table of the elements. It's probably changed some now because
it has been a long time since I attended Georgia Tech and got that BS
in chemistry, but this is more complex than the periodic table.
And I'm sure the gentleman from Ranger will agree with me, it's
something like 130 new Federal agencies that were created by this mess,
all between the doctor and the patient. Maybe my colleague will point
out where the doctor is on that chart and where the patient is.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. You're right. This is the doctor. There's the
patient. You would think the patient and doctor would be in the center,
right? That should be the center of this diagram, but it is not. It is
this newly empowered Secretary of the Health and Human Services that is
in the center of which all of this spirals off of, and all of this is
documented and all the code sections are outlined on here how it was
created, and it indicates new mandates, new taxes, new programs, new
processes. All of this is in this new health care plan that is going to
be a mess for Americans right here.
The great thing is, though, that as we stand before America tonight,
we don't stand here without an alternative, without another idea. We
come before America boldly with another alternative, and the first
step, in my opinion, is we have to defund this mess. Let's just put the
brakes on it. We don't need another, what, $600 billion in new taxes.
We need to defund this, and we have introduced legislation that is H.R.
5882, which each of you are probably cosponsors of and I'm the sponsor
of the legislation to just defund it altogether, and let's start over
because the process was broken. The policy is flawed.
Let's get a patient-centered, patient-driven health care plan in
place of which we've got good alternatives. Would you like to share a
little bit about the proposal that's out there, or do you have some
ideas yourself?
Mr. THOMPSON of Pennsylvania. Thank you so much for looking at this.
What a nightmare this is. I spent 28 years managing a rural hospital,
and what I see there, when I look at that chart is not the periodic
table. I see bankruptcy for hospitals, physicians, health care
providers.
I mean, my health care career goes back to the beginning of the
1980s, and I am a proud survivor of the first prospective payment
system, diagnostic related groups that were rolled into hospitals all
across the Nation. I was there in the 1980s. I was there in the 1990s
for the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, HIPAA.
HIPAA would just be one of those circles on that chart, but let me
tell you the experience of health care, and it's health care
everywhere, but it really hits hard in rural health care and
underserved urban areas.
The bureaucracy that was required to implement HIPAA in the 1990s was
tremendous. It took dollars from actually providing what I thought was
compassionate and cost-effective care, and you had to hire clerical
staff, you had to hire compliance individuals, you had to hire people
that never saw a patient, never did anything to directly touch that
life of somebody that was facing life-changing disease and disability
in the health care work that I was privileged to participate in for 30
years.
You take that experience of HIPAA in the 1990s and now multiply that
by the complexity of that chart. You know we have worked hard, I know
Dr. Gingrey has, all health care professionals work very hard to make
sure that health care is patient-centered. It's about the patient. And
this is not about the patient. This obviously is government. This is
not patient-centered health care. This is government-centered health
care, and there's many different proposals out there.
Let me just touch on two of those because I think it's very important
that as we show the negative impacts of this, that we show the
alternatives, the things we are working on that are better solutions,
what I like to call smart government solutions.
Going back to July of 2009 when we introduced the Putting Patients
First Act. That's an act that addresses people with preexisting
conditions and makes sure they're able to purchase affordable health
care insurance. It's about providing greater access to care. It was
about bringing down the cost of health care for all Americans. It was
about preserving and even increasing the innovation quality of health
care that comes out of this country and certainly about preserving that
important decisionmaking relationship between the patient and
physician, not allowing the government or bureaucrat to do that.
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Putting Patients First Act, I encourage people to check that act out.
You know what, it doesn't raise taxes a dollar. No cuts to Medicare,
and yet it achieves all the things it needs to achieve.
You know that's the kind of thing, when we repeal this, that's what
we need to replace it with. And I would tell you there are things we
need to surgically repair right now, because I don't expect that
President Obama--I would expect a veto on any general repeal any time
soon, so we need to surgically repair, certainly working with an eye to
repeal.
And I am sure all my colleagues on the floor here are also cosponsors
of H.R. 5141. It goes right back and it deals with the health care
bill, but the impact's directly on small businesses.
Under the ObamaCare plan, every small business, for every exchange of
business, a vendor, a contractor, just buying resources, anything more
than $600, they are required to file a 1099 form today under the
ObamaCare plan. For some businesses, that's thousands of 1099 forms. We
are talking more clerical staff. We are talking more overhead cost. We
are talking about complying with bureaucracy that is just raising the
cost on small businesses.
I am proud to be a cosponsor of H.R. 5141. It puts an end to what I
call death by a thousand paper cuts. And that is where health care
buries small businesses, in paperwork.
That's another example of a Republican, smart government solution
that we have put forward and it has been introduced. It's out there
and, frankly, it would be good for America.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. You are absolutely right. So you presented a
solution. H.R. 3400 would be the Empowering Patients First Act. We have
talked about deauthorizing the funding for this mess here, and you talk
about surgically removing some items here. I mean, this is a mess.
Mr. THOMPSON of Pennsylvania. It's going to be a whole lot of
surgery, though.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. You wonder why this component would be in a
health care proposal. The IRS, the Internal Revenue Service, is part of
a health care plan; although, I think we all know that the American
people do not want to have to go through this maze in order to get
their health care taken care of here in the United States.
We have a couple of opportunities. One, H.R. 5882, for those whom are
viewing this tonight, could encourage their Members to sign on to, and
that would not allow any funds to be authorized or spent towards this
here. Then there is the Repeal It proposal that repeals this
altogether, and there are two of those out there. There is a letter or
petition to have one voted on here on the floor, and that's H.R. 4972,
by Mr. King. That's the Repeal It legislation.
Then you have spoken about the alternative, the replacement. So you
have defund it, repeal it, and then replace it with H.R. 3400, which is
a free market, capitalistic solution to health care for Americans to
allow them to be empowered, empowering them.
Would you like to add some more to this? I know we are getting close
here before we need to stop sharing the truth here.
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Mr. GOHMERT. It should be noted in all those little areas, you talk
about all the new parts of government that are created and brought
together in this--it's not a health care bill. It's a GRE--government
running everything--bill. But they all have little references to the
specific areas within the law that created them and created the
relationship. That's one thing.
Another thing is, you know, all of the records, the medical records
that people consider so personal and so dear will be in the Federal
Government control. I think they are contracting out to their dear
benefactors and contributors at General Electric, but they will have
all that information, and the IRS could have access to your most
personal information.
Can you imagine the debt collectors of America being able to have
your most personal medical records? Well, that's what will occur here,
and there's a great quote from Patrick Henry. People remember, ``Is
life so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of
chains and slavery?''
He had one quote where he said, ``The Constitution is not an
instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an
instrument for the people to restrain the government--lest it come to
dominate our lives and interests.'' When I look at that board and I
look at all the new government that is just going to be overwhelming
people, they don't need the doctor after they start dealing with all
this stuff.
Is that quote ever more appropriate that the Constitution should
restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and
interests? Will it ever?
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. Last August, the American people were pretty
upset about that. They were fired up 1 year ago as the leadership of
this Hall went out all across America and avoided town hall meetings
because they could not defend this 2,000-page spaghetti plate here of
mess, because the American people know that the government taking over
their health care is not the best option. The best option is the
patient, the individual that is being empowered.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. You know, you talk about there is a
temptation to try to surgically repair. But, Mr. Speaker, when you look
at that chart that Representative Graves is presenting and you realize
the complexity and there is so much wrong with this bill, I am afraid
that by the time that you tried to surgically repair, there would be
very little left to say grace over. That's why so many of our
colleagues on this side of the aisle feel like that we need to repeal
this bill, this monstrosity, this omnibus of 2,400 pages, government
takeover of one-sixth of our economy, 16 percent, and start over, and
start over.
Just this past week in the Energy and Commerce Committee--but we deal
with a lot of health care issues, and this monstrosity, indeed, started
over a year ago. We passed, this week, eight separate health care-
related bills, none of which were more than five pages long, and we did
it in a bipartisan way.
We can certainly come back and, with four or five really good solid
ideas, and maybe we can present those in a subsequent town hall meeting
or Special Order hour here on the House floor, but that's what we
really need to do. I think it's important that people understand that.
I thank the gentleman for having us here and this colloquy so that
our colleagues, Mr. Speaker, and the American people can better
understand what we truly need to do to repair this.
Mr. GRAVES of Georgia. Mr. Speaker and my colleagues, I want to thank
you for joining me tonight, because here at this late hour here on the
east coast, we are standing before the American people presenting
alternatives, solutions to these challenging days.
We started off by talking about the economy and jobs and job
creation, and that's empowering the private sector, not empowering
government, creating certainty in the marketplace as opposed to the
uncertainty that is out there today by standing in the way of the
largest tax increase in the history of this Nation, which is about to
be unfolded here in the next 5 months. And then also the reduction of
capital gains. The reduction of the corporate tax rate and just
igniting that entrepreneurial spirit once again to allow that
entrepreneur, the American business owner, to dream, and to dream big
and to go work hard.
Then next we talked about spending and spending cuts, balancing the
budget. Very difficult items here on the Federal level, it would seem
by the majority party. But, instead, we have proposed positive
solutions to balance the budget like has never been seen before.
Then lastly, the health care. And all of this comes as a result of
America Speaking Out, the Web site in which 12,000 responses were given
and over 600,000 votes were cast on different ideas and concepts.
Listening to the American people about jobs and the economy, about
spending, about balancing the budget and the health care proposal,
which leads us to defunding it, repealing it and then replacing it with
a patient center, patient-driven concept that provides affordability,
portability, and accessibility to Americans.
But this is not a time in which we stand and point fingers as we have
heard over the past several weeks. My 44 days being here, the other
side has pointed fingers back, back in time. But we are not here to do
that. This is not about Republican and Democrat. This is about America
right now and this is about getting our economy back on track. It's
about creating the confidence once again in the marketplace and then
providing true health care solutions.
So I appreciate my colleagues in joining me tonight on this late
hour. I know it means a lot to your constituents that you would do that
and that you would be working at this late hour in the evening because
you know how important it is.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back.
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