[Congressional Record Volume 156, Number 15 (Tuesday, February 2, 2010)]
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FORT HOOD
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of
January 6, 2009, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Carter) is recognized
for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader.
Mr. CARTER. Mr. Speaker, I hail from Central Texas, and I am very,
very proud to say that I have the largest military facility in the
world in my district, Fort Hood, Texas. If you are in the Army, you
know where Fort Hood is. In fact, I think if you find any 20-year
veteran of the Army, you will find out they have been to Fort Hood,
some of them once, twice, three, four times, because it is a huge
training post. And it is the great place, as they call it, in Central
Texas.
The great place had a great disaster happen to us on November 5 of
last year, when Major Nidal Hasan attacked and killed 13 soldiers and a
baby in the womb, and wounded 43 others before two courageous police
officers, responding to this violence at Fort Hood,
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came and basically shot the man and brought him down, one of them, a
young lady, getting shot in the process. They got him captured. He is
now the subject of much discussion around this House of
Representatives.
And by the way, I don't know if anyone noticed. I was very surprised
at the State of the Union to see those two officers sitting right up
here with the First Lady of the United States, and I was very surprised
also that they weren't introduced to the House. But if you noticed two
police officers sitting by Michelle Obama, they weren't introduced at
the State of the Union, but those were the two officers who responded
to Major Hasan when he went on his shooting rampage. We honored them,
and the President and the First Lady were honoring them as heroes of
the United States, and rightfully so.
But I want us to first realize what happened at Fort Hood. And
everybody says, Oh, come on. I know what happened. Sure, you listened
to all the reports. But today I was talking with the mayor of Belton,
which is actually the county seat of Bell County.
Fort Hood sits in two counties, Bell and Coryell County. Fort Hood is
hundreds of thousands of acres and it straddles the county line between
those two great counties. The combined population of the two counties
is over 300,000 people. So this is a growing area of Texas, and much of
that growth that is in the western part of Bell County and the eastern
part of Coryell County is military folks that have retired and come
back to live close to Fort Hood, or they are presently serving in the
military in some form or fashion, or they got out and went to work for
something that is related to the military in Central Texas.
We are a military community. We love our soldiers. I would argue that
no place on Earth does more for the families and soldiers than Fort
Hood, Texas.
I love to tell the story of being in a Rotary Club meeting back in
2003 or 2004, I don't remember what it was, but I know that the 4th
Infantry Division was deployed overseas from Fort Hood at that time.
And it was along about March, somewhere around that time, when I was
going to give a talk to that Rotary Club. It is a huge club, meets in
the morning. Hundreds of people were there. And one of the Rotarians
got up and said, Ladies and gentlemen, I want to remind you, our
soldiers are deployed. Baseball season is starting. Our coaches for our
Little League, Pony, Colt, and other leagues where our kids play
baseball are over fighting a war to protect our freedom, and we need
coaches. So it is up to us Rotarians to stand in for those fathers and
mothers who are not going to be able to coach their kids.
Now, that is a community that thinks outside the box to make sure
that the kids and families of these deployed soldiers can live as
normal a life as they can while these soldiers are deployed. I wanted
to tell you that story, Members, because it tells you the heart of the
Fort Hood community in an easy story.
But when I was visiting with the mayor of Belton today, you don't
realize the ramifications of something like what this Major Hasan did.
First, we very quickly realized after the shooting and the days and
weeks that came after the shooting that you had a lot of soldiers
saying to themselves: Wait, a minute. This guy wasn't in some other
Army. This guy was in my Army. He was in the same uniform I wear, and
he shot my brother and sister soldiers and killed them and he was
targeting soldiers to kill. Now, that plays upon the psyche of
soldiers.
Now, let me explain to you how important this is at Fort Hood, Texas,
because the Fourth Infantry Division deploys out of there, III Corps
Command is at Fort Hood, and the 1st Cavalry Division, as well as
various other organizations. All of these folks have been deployed
multiple times. The people that are stationed at Fort Hood are war
fighters, and they have been involved in this war since its inception,
and they will continue to do their duty, which is a great strain upon
their families and a great strain upon these individual soldiers. But
they do it because it is the right thing to do and they know that.
These are our great generation. These are heroes, real true heroes.
And do you know what? Just doing any job that is that stressful that
many times repetitively wears upon you even if you weren't getting shot
at or blown up. So this is a highly stressed, highly strung-out
community.
When this happened at Fort Hood, first responders from all the
surrounding communities headed to Fort Hood. SWAT teams headed for Fort
Hood. And if you recall, if you were listening during the play-by-play
as it was being developed, you heard people say there are some who say
there were three shooters, and so they are looking for the other two.
What I didn't realize until I was talking to the mayor of Belton--and
Belton is like 26 miles from Fort Hood--he said that, because they
didn't know if the other shooters had gotten out of the post and were
loose in the community, they locked down all the schools where there
were soldiers' children just in case this was a plan to spread out and
kill family members.
And so we had, from high school down to elementary school, children
locked down in the schools, and we were keeping people out and their
parents couldn't pick them up. And the first responders' communications
systems were overwhelmed with concerned parents from two full counties,
300,000 people.
So what this man did at Fort Hood that day frightened all the kids in
two counties. And there are tens of thousands of kids going to those
schools in those counties, multiple high schools. These are our largest
high schools in Texas. They were locked down.
I tell you all this because I want you to know that this was truly,
not just a traumatic event for the Army, this was a traumatic event for
the people who support the Army and for the families who are supported
by the people who support the Army.
Now, the mental health professionals came in in droves, and a lot of
great work was done, and I praise everyone who did that. But when I
heard that story about these little kids locked down, let's take some
little sixth-grade kid or fifth-grade kid, or maybe someone smaller, a
first-grade kid who had the trauma of all of a sudden the doors were
locked to his school and his mama couldn't pick him up or her mama
couldn't pick her up. And then they started hearing why: There has been
somebody shot over at Fort Hood.
Now, all these kids have soldiers at Fort Hood who are their parents.
Some of them have two parents who are soldiers at Fort Hood. Now, there
has got to be fear in the hearts of these little kids, and they want to
know what happened. And when school is out and people are talking about
it and they are watching it on television, they are trying to figure
out what happened. And I am sure parents tried to sit down and explain
it where they calmed the little children down. But I am going to argue
with you or state to you here tonight that a recent report that was put
out by a commission that was appointed by the Obama administration to
tell us about the incident at Fort Hood, I would say if you read that
report or you explained that report to little kids who were locked down
at Fort Hood, you wouldn't even know that Mr. Major Nidal Hasan gave
every indication that he was a radical Islamic Muslim terrorist,
because it is not discussed in the report, and it should be.
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I don't know who pulled the strings on this, but I know who is
responsible, and that is the administration. We learned all kinds of
things the Army needs to do differently and all kinds of things they
need to talk about, the chain of command, yada, yada, yada, as my
college-age girl would say. But we didn't hear anything about radical
Islam. We didn't hear anything about this because, I would argue, and I
think there are people across this country that are arguing, that it
was because of political correctness. Political correctness.
Excuse me, at some point in time it is just good intelligence, good
police work to look at what makes up the chances are of the next
terrorist attack. And to ignore it, and to act like you can't talk
about it because you might hurt somebody's feelings--I tried sitting
here tonight to remember as far back as I could, and I don't know how
many years ago it was that the Munich Olympics was, but that was a
radical Muslim terrorist attack. And every attack since that time has
been a radical
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Muslim terrorist attack. So why can't we talk about the fact that our
enemy seems to be, good intelligence seems to tell us, is radical
Islamic terrorists?
Now, why in the world can you write a report about a guy who walked
down a peaceable line, some of the people checking in from being at
war, and some of the people checking out to go to war, doing their
everyday duty of getting through that process of processing in,
processing out, and this guy walks down the line shooting soldiers in
uniform, shouting out, ``Allahu Akbar,'' God is great, which is a part
of the declaration of that religion. And I am not attacking that
religion. But you can't talk about it. If you can't talk about it, you
can't figure it out.
And to write a report with this many Americans killed where they
should have been safe, and this many Americans wounded where they
should have been safe, and not mention the profile of the guy that did
the shooting, and to give me the excuse when I asked the question,
well, we are afraid it will mess up their murder case. Well, let me
tell you, I will state this again for the record, if you have got a law
degree and you are supposed to be able to practice law and you can't
prove a murder case where you got 200 eyewitnesses, you need to send
your law degree back to law school and turn in your bar card because
you are an ineffective lawyer. And there are at least 200 people that
witnessed this guy shooting these folks.
So I mean give me a break. They don't have any proof problems to
prove this case. That is not a reason not to talk about who did the
shooting or who is alleged to do it. And I am an old judge, use the
term alleged. It is perfectly good. But they don't even talk about who
is alleged to have done the shooting or what kind of person that was.
What do we know about him now? I will have to give our news
organizations a lot of credit. We know that he acted erratically for
months before the attack. That he promoted radical Islamic views while
at Walter Reed Hospital. That he exchanged emails with Anwar al-Awlaki,
a Yemen cleric which we are reading about every day in the newspaper
who is one of the now major promoters of terrorism. No action was taken
against him when he would have debates with other members of the
military, and his position was what our soldiers were doing in Iraq and
Afghanistan was worse than what terrorist attacks do or the 9/11
attack. That the 9/11 attack doesn't equal America's war fighting
efforts. And nobody reported him? In fact, they promoted him to get him
out of their hair, to move him to another duty station so they didn't
have to put up with him.
And it was all about Islamic terrorism, and yet our government writes
a report and just fails to mention it. And what is really amazing,
really amazing to me, I mean there are a lot of people pointing a
finger at me and saying that guy is a right wing wacko. That is why he
is standing up there. I won't shy away from the right wing part of it.
I will shy away from the wacko part.
But I will tell you, who else has raised this question? Kind of
interesting. Time Magazine has raised the question in an article,
``Fort Hood Report: Why No Mention of Islam?'' Now, that is certainly
not a famous right wing radical group. I would call them leaning over
pretty hard to the left. Here is another one. You sure wouldn't
consider people at the San Francisco Chronicle to be right wing wackos,
but here it is: ``Political Correctness on Fort Hood at the Pentagon.''
And it is about why didn't they talk about who this guy was.
So that is one of the things I got up for. And I see I am joined by
one of my dear friends, who is always there for me, Phil Gingrey from
Georgia. He and I are classmates. He always has something good to say.
Doc, I yield whatever time you would like to use.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. Judge Carter, I thank you. I am glad to be
with you tonight talking about a very, very serious issue. I will make
the light comment before I begin and say that my good friend from Texas
is not a right wing wacko, he is just a regular wacko. I am a right
wing wacko from Georgia. But Judge Carter is actually not right wing
nor is he a wacko, Mr. Speaker.
What he is talking about tonight is extremely important. And I hope
our colleagues on both sides of the aisle are listening. I know that my
former colleagues on the House Armed Services Committee listened very
carefully ever since this incident occurred. And now of course the
judge is talking about this 50-page report that our Secretary of
Defense, Robert Gates, ordered, commissioned to be done by a former
Army Secretary and former Chief of Naval Operations.
And Judge Carter, Mr. Speaker, I think expresses the view of probably
most members of the House Armed Services Committee. I can't put words
in their mouth, but I have served with them 6 years, loved being on
that committee, led by the great chairman Ike Skelton and our ranking
member Buck McKeon from California. And it is a great committee. And it
is a bipartisan committee. It is probably the most bipartisan committee
in the entire House of Representatives. I bet that is true on the
Senate side as well.
But Judge Carter is disappointed in this report, Mr. Speaker, and I
am disappointed in this report. When we heard about this tragedy at
Fort Hood in the great State of Texas at this Army military
installation, which really is probably the epitome of the Army military
installations--when you think about the Army you think about Fort
Benning, the home of the infantry in my great State of Georgia down in
Columbus, and you think about Fort Hood, probably the first two that
come to your mind.
But we were briefed. We, all members of the House of Representatives,
all 435 of us, had an opportunity to go to a briefing that the
military, the people from Fort Hood, commanders, I forget their names,
probably good I don't remember the names because I don't want to use
them here tonight, but they were telling us, ``Well, look, we responded
correctly.'' Mr. Speaker, this is exactly what was said. ``The response
to this incident, you would be proud. Members of Congress, you would be
proud. Everything, we got all the emergency teams in, we locked down.''
The judge is talking about locking down the schools and all that and
making sure the kids were safe.
And they went on for about 30 minutes, describing how the response to
this tragic attack, where this guy kills 14 and wounds 43 before we
were able to take him down, and I want to say of course that we salute
the heroism that was shown that day at Fort Hood, and I don't know who
they were, but Judge Carter probably does, and God bless them for what
they did. But my concern at the time was how do we have ourselves in a
situation where anybody that goes nuts--of course we know this
situation was far more than just an incident of somebody going nuts.
And that is the purpose of the hour tonight the judge is talking about.
But we should have been able to take this guy out you would think after
he had shot three or four people at the most. But that is kind of
another story, Mr. Speaker.
I was just so concerned when I heard that briefing shortly after the
incident that it was like the military was telling us, you know, you
should be proud of the fact that we responded after the fact. And that
is my whole point, Judge, in sharing a little bit of this time with
you. It was like locking the barn door after the horse is long gone.
And that is what we did. We did a good job of that.
But what the judge is talking about here tonight, Mr. Speaker, is
that when you have clear evidence that someone is a radical, has become
radicalized, and you have this information and you don't share it--and
indeed, as was pointed out tonight, Major Hasan was promoted during
this time just right up through the ranks. You know, no holes on his
promotion, no concern, because of, yes, I will say it, political
correctness. They did not want to be in a position where let's say
somebody could lose their job because they were calling out someone,
blowing the whistle and saying this guy is showing signs of Islamic
extremism. And we need to connect these dots, and somebody needs to
examine this person and let a psychiatrist see him, the psychiatrist,
Dr. Hasan. Doctor, you can't treat yourself, you need some help.
Well, and I think that what the judge is saying, Mr. Speaker, is that
we have got to stop this political correctness
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nonsense. We did the same thing I think, in my humble opinion, on
Christmas Day with the undie bomber, when a decision was made after 50
minutes by one or two FBI agents talking with someone in the Justice
Department, and that someone most likely was the Attorney General, Eric
Holder, and saying, all right, this is not a terrorist, let's Mirandize
this guy. And so he immediately gets lawyered up, as the expression
goes, and shuts up on the advice of counsel.
I was reading today, looking over the budget, the $3.8 trillion
budget proposal which the President delivered to Congress on Monday.
And in that budget the line item section in regard to what we have
always called, and I think the world has known the global war on
terrorism and the amount of money that we want to fund for that, we
call it overseas contingency operations or some such nonsense like
that. Nowhere in that budget, no matter how many hundreds of billions
of dollars we need to fight that war, do we call it a war on terror.
Oh, God no. God forbid we do that because it is politically incorrect.
We don't want to offend anybody. I say call a spade a spade.
And that is exactly, Mr. Speaker, what Judge Carter is trying to
point out to our colleagues tonight. Make sure people understand if we
are serious about protecting this country, the security of this
country, we are going to stop all this nonsense and we are going to
call a spade a spade and we are going to fight terrorism where we find
it.
Mr. CARTER. Reclaiming my time, we are going to call a terrorist a
terrorist and say who he is, what he is, where he comes from, what his
background is, and if religion has a part in it, what religion has a
part in it.
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We cannot afford--it's bad police work, if nothing else--to ignore
that evidence. What do you tell that kid over at the high school when
his dad is deployed and he asks his mom, he said, Wasn't this guy a
soldier? Well, I can't say what kind of soldier he was because we've
got to be politically correct. But, yes, he was a soldier. But how do I
know my dad is safe with other soldiers? How do I know?
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. Judge, would you yield just for a second?
Judge Carter, I don't know whether you pointed this out before I got to
the floor, but this guy, Major Hasan, was quoted as saying that sharia
law should trump the United States Constitution. Am I correct on that?
Mr. CARTER. That is correct.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. I yield back.
Mr. CARTER. And this guy was radicalized. And now we're hearing--only
from the news sources, not from the people in the administration that
should be informing the public about this, but from news sources--we're
hearing just how radicalized he was by conversations he's had. In fact,
a Member of this House called a relative who went to medical school in
the Army and happened to know the guy in medical school and said clear
back in medical school he was talking about this stuff. That means we
gave him--by the way, we paid for his medical education. And the good
doctor from Georgia can tell you that's no small ticket right there.
But we took this man and we put him through education and we educated
him all the way through university, medical school, and all of his
specialty stuff. The Army paid for that. You did. The taxpayers paid
for that. And even then he was talking like this. Why can't we start
being honest with ourselves and talk about these people? That's the
issue.
You mentioned the Christmas Day bomber. Our good friend, Dr.
Burgess--maybe he doesn't want me to tell you this--but he said,
There's a guy that ought to be the easiest guy in the world to
interrogate because this guy has just set himself on fire in his crotch
area. Now his choice is to go back to Yemen and get treated over there,
or be treated by the best medical community on Earth, as was pointed
out. It wouldn't be hard to say, Tell us what you know and we'll get
you the best doctors, the best reconstruction surgeons in America. And
we are the best. And the guy would gratefully share, it would seem to
me, but not after you've lawyered him up after an hour.
So, once again, though, I would argue we're playing the political
correctness game. We wouldn't do the same thing for a regular criminal
defendant, I'll tell you that. I'll tell you that. So it's different.
And I worry about the fact. And that comment about overseas
contingency. If they can't identify the war on terror as the war on
terror, then we've got some black-and-white-striped cats that they're
welcome to come down to Texas and pet those cats, because their really
skunks. If you don't want to call them a skunk, call them a pussycat
and start playing with them. See what happens to you. That's the same
thing that happens to terrorists. If you're not going to call them a
terrorist and point out what ideology is driving their thinking, then
what are you going to do to identify your enemy and defeat your enemy?
If you're not even going to call them an enemy, what are we doing?
I yield back.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. Thank you, Judge. I want to thank John
Carter, Mr. Speaker, for introducing two pieces of legislation. I hope
he'll discuss that with our Members tonight in regard to the
Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act. H.R. 4267 is the number of
that bill, Mr. Speaker. And then the other one, equally important, the
Fort Hood Families Benefits Protection Act, H.R. 4088. I know Judge
Carter, Representative Carter, will talk about that as a great Member
who is actually cochairman of the House Army Caucus.
So this is a labor of love on the part of this Member, Mr. Speaker. I
can understand how upset he must be, as we all are, regarding this 50-
page report. Here, again, distinguished cochairs--the former Army
Secretary, the former Chief of Naval Operations--who were charged by
our Secretary of Defense, Secretary Gates, in a very timely manner to
produce a 50-page report. But, you know, Mr. Speaker, this report,
again, there's not a word in there in regard to terrorism, Islamic
extremism. I don't know whether they scrubbed it before they did the
report or they scrubbed it after they did the report.
It's so disappointing to see that you spend all that time saying,
Well, maybe we need to streamline the way the sergeant talks to the
lieutenant and the lieutenant talks to the captain and the captain
talks to the major and the majors talk to the colonels and lieutenant
colonels and then finally we get the information to the generals and to
the admirals. That's all well and good, but it's almost like a
deliberate attempt to miss the point.
The point is, as Judge Carter has pointed out, Mr. Speaker, that we
are dealing with an individual, in the case of Major Hasan, that is a
terrorist. He has been radicalized. The judge has pointed out that
there was information even from his time in the Army Medical School
that he made radical statements. I mentioned just a second ago that he
was quoted as saying that sharia law should trump our Constitution.
Well, when you're commissioned as an officer in the military, when you
enlist in the military, you make a pledge of fidelity to this country.
And so the warning sign was there.
I will go back to the time, Mr. Speaker, when Representative Carter,
Judge Carter, and I were freshmen Members of the 108th Congress. The 9/
11 issue had occurred shortly before we got here. And the families of
those victims, over 3,000, insisted that we form a commission, a 9/11
Commission, and we really look into this. Quite honestly, President
Bush at the time was a little reluctant. He felt like the Department of
Homeland Security, the CIA, and the military intelligence could do all
that.
In any regard, a commission was formed. And we were told by the
commissioners that this was a problem in regard to Islamic extremism
and we needed to do something about it. And to then come along with
this report that was commissioned by Secretary Gates, I think, is a
tremendous disservice and disappointment. And I will yield back to
Judge Carter.
Mr. CARTER. I thank my friend for yielding. I thank my friend for
mentioning these two bills that we've got out here. I tried a
whistleblower case back about the mid-nineties sometime. A very
interesting case. I won't go into the details. But it involved some
organizations that were major political players and major financial
players in Texas and a little small accountant who made a right
statement but had
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stepped on some good-old-boy toes and so they fired the guy when the
truth was he was telling that there was a lot of money that they were
losing. It showed me why we have whistleblower laws: so the little guy
who discovers a wrong can be comfortable in going to right that wrong
without fear of retaliation, of getting fired because he did--told
about something that the big boys didn't like.
Well, we've got this Military Whistleblower Protection Enhancement
Act. It protects military personnel from any negative action for
reporting any regulation or law violation. Proposed protections for
reporting ideologically based threat or actions a servicemember
reasonably believes could be counterproductive or detrimental to the
United States interests or security.
Basically, what we're saying to the ordinary soldier, to the soldier
that was going through medical school with Mr. Hasan, to the soldier
that was stationed with Mr. Hasan when he was a second lieutenant and
then a first lieutenant and then a captain and as he got promoted to
major, that somebody didn't have a fear that something would happen to
their military career if they reported this guy was talking radical
ideas to service people. He wasn't preaching religion to them. He was
talking that blowing people up was good, fighting conventional war
against terrorists was bad.
I mean, that's the kind of way he was talking. It didn't have
anything to do with the Muslim religion. It had to do with terrorism
being the right way to straighten out America. Excuse me? He was
educated by the United States military. It kills me to hear that.
So I think it's a good bill. I hope we can get some action on it. I
hope we can get it written into law. And I'm going to be working on it.
I feel confident. I have a lot of folks that are cosigners to that
bill.
This other one is pretty simple, too, really. What we had--and I can
say this almost without--and I don't know the names and background of
every one of these soldiers, but I have personally talked to several of
them and the general consensus is everybody that got shot had either
just come back from Iraq or getting ready to deploy again to either
Iraq or Afghanistan.
And the reason we had mixed units that day at that center is because
normally units go through as a group as they deploy, but these were the
guys that were absent for some purpose. May have still been on the
training range or something else. So they had to go make up by getting
all the paperwork shuffled to get ready to deploy. That's why you heard
it wasn't just one outfit that had all the deaths. It was multiple
outfits around the Army because there are multiple outfits stationed at
Fort Hood.
Anyway, I would argue these were warriors either returning from the
war or going to the war and an enemy soldier, terrorist, disguised in a
uniform of the United States military, walked into our warriors as they
were peacefully getting ready and processing paper and started killing
soldiers. And I do argue that's a combat situation. Whether you're
killing a soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq or whether you're killing a
soldier in a center at Fort Hood, if your intent is to kill soldiers to
keep them out of the war against terror, you are an enemy combatant
killing our soldiers. Therefore, they should be treated with combat
respect.
This incident should be like we did for what happened at the Pentagon
when it was attacked on 9/11. We declared that to be an incident in
combat in the war on terror and the people who did heroic acts there
received the appropriate medals and the appropriate benefits for being
injured or killed in a combat zone.
I think Fort Hood and the incident that happened with Major Hasan
should be a combat zone; and I'm trying to do it by statute. But it's
been done by act of the Defense Department. I think it's time for it to
be done. There are a lot of Purple Hearts that ought to be awarded, at
least 43 that we know of. There are a lot of folks that should get
civilian medals that were civilians that were accidentally wounded in
the misfires. And there are benefits that attach to being killed or
injured in combat. I think these people ought to get it. Just because
they just got back from another country but they got shot in our
country by an enemy soldier, I would argue they still ought to be
treated as if they were wounded in combat.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. If the gentleman will yield, and, Mr.
Speaker, I thank Judge Carter for yielding. I don't think that the
logic of this legislation is a stretch in any way. I'm sitting hear
listening, Mr. Speaker, to my colleague from Texas describe this bill,
Fort Hood Families Benefits Protection Act, H.R. 4088.
I would think that you ought to get 434 votes, if not 435, in the
House of Representatives, and 100 in the Senate, Judge, is my opinion,
because that Islamic extremist--and, as you say, camouflaged in an Army
uniform with officer's insignia on that uniform--is every bit of an
Islamic extremist as those characters in Afghanistan, in Iraq, aided
and abetted, I think, by Iran, in many instances, that make those
improvised explosive devices, that put them in the ground, that
detonate them cowardly in a remote fashion and blow our young men and
women to smithereens. I've had over 30 from my congressional district
in the 11th of Georgia pay the last full measure. And that's what these
14 that were killed and 43 or whatever the number is in Fort Hood. Same
thing. Exact same thing.
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And so, Mr. Speaker, I commend them. I think it's absolutely right.
They should have a status to ensure full benefits and eligibility for
the Purple Heart and a civilian equivalent award for those who are
civilians. They were killed not by just some ordinary nut. They were
killed by an Islamic extremist in the same fashion that our men and
women are being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Mr. CARTER. That's exactly right. And reclaiming my time, once
again--and I'm not going to mention who said this, but it was said at
the time. And although I understand why it was said, I think it was
inappropriate. A statement was made, I certainly hope this incident at
Fort Hood doesn't affect the Army's diversity program.
Excuse me. We had folks that had risked their lives for our country
killed in their own backyard by an Islamic terrorist, and I think that
it's not the time to be worrying about whether somebody's feelings may
have gotten hurt because we're talking about this guy being an Islamic
terrorist. He is. That's a fact. Why can't we talk about it?
I understand people talking about profiling, and what they're talking
about is, in its ultimate extent, what offends people is situations in
our historic past where, for example, there has been a shooting on the
square. It's been identified. It was an African American. Round up all
African Americans because the profile is African American. And that's
where the whole idea of profiling--and you can expand it to American
Indian, to Hispanic, to Vietnamese--identifying a whole group as evil
because one was bad. And that's bad. And the police will tell you that
that is not good police work.
But if the shooter is wearing a major's uniform, answers to the name
of Hasan, and 200 people can identify him in a lineup for having done
the shooting, then you ought to talk about what the guy looks like,
where he comes from, what his background is, and what motivated him to
do this, which is a radical religious belief, the bottom line. That's
not being politically incorrect. That's being intelligent. I'm sorry.
It's just common sense.
There's one thing I tell people back in Texas--I'm sure my friend in
Georgia gets frustrated with it, too, sometimes. Inside this Beltway,
the thing we lack the most seems to be common sense most of the time.
Average American people know this, and I think that the Members of this
House know that the folks back home know that this is something the
administration should have addressed. Secretary Gates ordered it, but
he's part of and takes his orders from the Commander in Chief, and they
should be held responsible for their yielding the truth to political
correctness. It's not the right thing to do. It harms those people who
fearfully today, as I am talking, are standing in harm's way on our
behalf, on my behalf, on your behalf, on everybody's behalf. They're
doing the hard job.
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There is a movie that's out that really is realistic. I'm going to
quote it because I'm not trying to promote movies. But it makes you
feel the stress that soldiers have to deal with when they have these
explosive devices and having to deal with those explosive devices. It
was so tense, my wife covered her head with a pillow because she just
couldn't stand the tension of it. And then you think about it and say,
You know, we eat in the mess hall at Fort Hood with these guys. They go
through that every day, the stress. She covered her head with a pillow.
These kids--kids--they deal with it every day. So they're not kids
anymore when they go over there. They're men and women of courage and
honor, and they understand what it means to be courageous.
So I think it's wrong for us to avoid describing our enemy to keep
from stepping on somebody's toes. I have nothing against any--and when
I say all this, let me preface this or finish this up by saying this is
not about a religion. It's about a criminal defendant and his ID. And
that's the way we should treat it. For that reason, I have raised this
issue.
I will yield some more time to my friend from Georgia if he wishes to
speak.
Mr. GINGREY of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman again for
yielding.
I just wanted to quote some of my friends on the Armed Services
Committee, the ranking member--actually also on the Education and Labor
Committee--Colonel John Kline. Colonel Kline is a subcommittee Chair, I
believe, on Armed Services as well. He has been there since we were
elected in the 108th, back in 2003. So this is his eighth year on the
Armed Services Committee. It is very appropriate that Colonel John
Kline is there because of his service in the United States Marines.
But Judge Carter, here is what Colonel Kline said. Mr. Speaker, I
want to quote this. ``The American people recognize that the 9/11
Commission was correct when it said we have an enemy, and it's Islamist
extremists--their words--and the concern is that we may not be paying
attention to the fact that the alleged perpetrator was, in fact, an
Islamic extremist.''
Judge Carter is telling us, Mr. Speaker--and certainly I agree with
him--that this is not about diversity, the importance of diversity in
the military. We all understand that. We all understand that. We have
great men and women of all kinds of ethnic backgrounds, religious
backgrounds. They have one thing in common: They swear, as we do, as
Members of Congress, to uphold the Constitution and defend this
country. And that will be continued to be held in common. But this
business of being politically correct for fear of offending but not
being able to say, He did it, and here is the evidence, and everybody
knows it, and for fear that you are going to get reprimanded--and
that's what Judge Carter's other bill is all about, Mr. Speaker. So I
thank him for giving me the opportunity to join a good friend on the
floor to encourage our colleagues on both sides of the aisle.
There are 95 cosponsors. I hope tomorrow there will be 150, and the
next day there will be 300, and that when this comes to a vote--and
hopefully it will--we'll get a near--maybe we can put it on the
suspension calendar and it will pass without controversy.
I yield back to my friend.
Mr. CARTER. I thank my friend for that comment, because what a
heartwarming experience that would be for the families and some of the
soldiers who were there and who are now in the combat zone to know that
this Congress said, We recognize this was a combat situation. We
acknowledge it unanimously. It is hard to get unanimous around here,
but it would be nice. And I thank my friend for his participation.
Well, this is all a part of the chance that I get every now and then
to talk about the rule of law and doing what's right and identifying
what's wrong in this country and not being afraid to speak out and to
point out when things are wrong. I want to end by saying that this is a
wrong that needs to be righted, and this House and the Defense
Department has the ability to right this wrong, and we should do it.
I want you to know that I consider Secretary Gates a friend. I have
the highest respect for him. I had the highest respect for him when he
was the top man at Texas A&M University when I represented that
wonderful institution, and I still have the highest regard for him. But
I do criticize and will continue to criticize letting political
correctness interfere with making correct statements about what
happened so that, if nothing else, the kids of these people in the Army
who know that a major shot other people will have a good explanation as
to why he did it and what the indications are as to why he did it so
they're not worried about their mom or dad getting shot by another guy
in uniform. That's a tragic situation.
I want to thank the Speaker for allowing me to have this time. I hope
that we can right this wrong, and I hope that we can let common sense
and right over wrong prevail in these two bills and in letting our
heroes know what the right thing to do is and that we're going to do
it.
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