[Congressional Record Volume 154, Number 152 (Wednesday, September 24, 2008)]
[Senate]
[Pages S9361-S9363]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




                              THE ECONOMY

  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, I didn't get the entire message of the 
distinguished Senator from Florida. The part of the speech I heard 
talked about us getting together and working as American Senators, not 
Republicans or Democrats, in this time of crisis. I totally 
congratulate the Senator. I agree with him and I believe it is 
imperative that we do something before we leave.
  Today, I hear talk that we have a continuing resolution we have to 
pass, and then we are finished. I am not hearing that from anybody 
officially, but it is chattering around. That is the big thing to do.
  I must say, that is a frightening thought. If we are thinking of 
leaving here without doing something to give the Treasury Department of 
the United States some authority to stabilize the credit system of the 
United States--if we don't do that and spend time doing that, we don't 
deserve to be called Senators.
  It is hard to explain, but when you look at it, credit and the 
American credit system--call it the banking system if you would like, 
but I am calling it the credit system--is what makes America's 
prosperity available to millions and millions of people. It is the 
credit system that we set up that has given us the greatest standard of 
living that any people have ever had.
  Something is going wrong with that financial system. It is not a 
question of Wall Street; it happens to be that Wall Street is the 
center for some of these

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financial systems that I am talking about. But they are going amiss; 
they are going awry. Something basic is happening, so that the 
liquidity of the system, which means the money available for the 
American financial system that I have just spoken of--something has 
clogged it up. We are told by the experts--and I don't think they have 
anything to gain. I think the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board is 
a distinguished American who never would have thought he was taking on 
this job when he agreed to be Chairman of the Federal Reserve.
  Incidentally, for those who don't know, he has a Ph.D. in economics, 
but guess what his dissertation was on. It was on the Great Depression. 
I think we are lucky that we have somebody there who understands the 
worst of times. He is here, joined by the Secretary of the Treasury, 
who is not a long-term Wall Streeter. It is only about 6 years that he 
has been involved in the Wall Street activities as a businessman. He is 
here begging us, pleading with us, and apologizing that he is not a 
good speaker. I am kind of saying: Who cares. Just listen to what he 
says. If you can understand it, pick it up and decide there is 
something for you to do.
  If I sound like I am concerned, I would like everybody to know I have 
a very large stake in the future. My grandchildren haven't stopped 
arriving on the scene. I have 13 of them. I have 8 children of my own, 
and America has been great to all of us. There are millions more 
Americans like myself.
  What is going to happen if we leave here without solving this problem 
or at least giving the executive branch, through the Secretary of the 
Treasury, the authority to try to do something to make this system 
liquid so that money will flow again? If we don't do that and we go 
home and think we are going to have a Christmas, we are apt to have a 
Christmas that will shock us all.
  We are being told we can have a recession. Those are the words of a 
mild-mannered Federal Reserve Chairman. That is what he says, we could 
have a recession. I am quite sure when he is in the back room talking 
with those experts who advise him and with Secretary Paulson, he says 
worse than that. He probably says the thing can fall apart because it 
is all tied together and now it is all going to come untied, this great 
country, with billions of dollars in securities in the hands of all 
kinds of countries and people, having the dollar fall and the other 
signals out there that maybe they are right, that we are getting close 
to things falling apart.
  I have a prepared speech. I asked somebody who is an expert to give 
me the whole history of the banking system of the United States since 
1933. I was hoping I would have time to read it and let everybody know 
what it was and how it happened and how we as legislators in America 
didn't quite respond to the banking system as fast as we should. 
Legislation didn't keep pace with the changes.
  So many people are to blame for us getting to where we are. There are 
plenty of people who abused the system. But if we get hung up trying to 
find out who did something wrong, then we are going to sit here, with 
our fingers pointed, in chairs trying to conduct hearings, asking the 
FBI to do things while the America we know goes down the tube.
  I believe it is time for clear thinking, for Senators to say: We have 
to take this one on the chin. If it is going to hurt politically, it 
might as well hurt politically while you are doing the greatest thing 
you could do for your country, and that is save it--save it from 
economic turmoil. If that is not the case and you don't believe it, 
then obviously you can leave as Senators or Representatives. Once the 
CR is passed, you can go home and start your Christmas festivities and 
start running for reelection. I hope if you do that, when you come 
back, maybe those of us who will stay and work will not let the system 
fall apart for you. But if you want to take that chance, do it.
  I think my colleagues should be here, not home campaigning. And I 
think the American people are going to hold you responsible if you 
don't get this thing solved.
  I hear some say we will do a little something. No, no, not do a 
little something. We have the best people advising us that we have to 
do this, and there is even a chance if we do this right that we won't 
lose as much money as we will as if we do nothing; that, in fact, we 
may lose many more billions of dollars if we don't do something to stop 
the hemorrhage and at the same time loosen up the money.
  I haven't said ``Wall Street'' very often in this speech, and I 
haven't used the word ``bailout'' because I don't think we are bailing 
out Wall Street and I don't think it is Wall Street that is the 
beneficiary of what we are trying to do. Stop and think. Who is 
involved in this thing called money lending in the United States, 
credit in the United States? There are millions of people and thousands 
of institutions that lend money. To whom? To people buying a car, 
buying a house, buying the Christmas presents for their children, 
improving the house, buying the lawn mower, buying their third car, and 
on and on. Those are the people who are using this credit system.
  One time off the cuff I didn't know what to speak about before a 
crowd. I decided to have them guess with me: What is the greatest 
system that is working in the United States that is beneficial to you 
on an everyday basis? Of course, nobody could guess what I was going to 
say. I said: the credit system of the United States. And then I 
proceeded to tell them why the credit system was one of the best things 
that America had going for us--not for Wall Street, for us. And the 
credit system is at stake. If it doesn't work, nothing works. If your 
credit system doesn't work, you don't buy houses, you don't buy cars, 
you don't buy toys. Maybe you buy groceries. But if it is broken, who 
knows what will happen to a country such as ours when we have been so 
used to so much for so long.
  Having said that, I have a little bit more time and I wish to talk a 
little bit about the history. Maybe I will rethink this for a minute 
and put it this way. I believe it is imperative that we pass 
legislation, and I believe that if the consensus is, after saying we 
want to give the executive branch what they think they need to solve 
this problem, if the consensus is that we need to add something to that 
legislation--add oversight, add something on executive pay, whatever 
the other things are--let's get on with it. Let's do that. Let's sit 
down with the leaders from the White House, from the executive branch, 
and say: What do we need in addition to their proposal? And let's talk 
seriously. I don't see why it would take so long. I don't see why we 
can't do it.
  Incidentally, I was chairman of the Budget Committee when the 
Resolution Trust Corporation was formed in order to curb the savings 
and loan crisis in the early nineties. That effort was also very 
controversial. Yet that effort stabilized the markets and eventually 
made money for the American taxpayers. Of course, it was much more 
limited in scope. We were talking about the savings and loan 
institutions. Some were regulated, some were not regulated, and we were 
in some kind of a real mess. Some had deposit insurance that was 
adequately covered, some didn't. We had to take over their assets and 
then dole them out. Some people made a good deal and bought them cheap 
and made money. People focused on that and said what a dumb thing we 
did because some people made money on the buyouts from this Resolution 
Trust Corporation. In the end, when we added it all up, it made more 
money than it lost, and it saved the system. In the process, a lot of 
purification occurred, a lot of cleaning out occurred.
  The same is going to happen here. I am no expert on the difference 
between then and now, the Resolution Trust Corporation problem that was 
being solved and the problems we are going to solve now, but clearly 
there are many similarities. We were frightened. When we heard the 
first reports about how much we might lose, there were many who 
supported it who didn't want to go home, they wanted to hide their 
heads under the desks because it was so many billions of dollars. This 
one is going to be worse, and if we don't decide to fix it, there are 
not going to be any desks to hide under, in my opinion.
  The other problem we have is we haven't told the American people that 
this affects them. They have been told, because of the way it was 
presented, ``Wall Street,'' ``bailout,'' those famous words--it has 
been presented as if it

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doesn't have anything to do with the people on Main Street and in our 
shopping centers across America and those who are selling and buying 
houses anywhere in America or buying cars from their local dealerships. 
It applies to all of them.
  If liquidity, the liquid money flowing, stops for any period of time, 
all of those are affected. And guess who is at the end of each of 
those. The American people. They are all going to be affected. In fact, 
I am quite sure many thousands of Americans are worried today as to 
what they should do with their money, with their savings. We need to 
build some confidence back into the system and in them. We need to 
stabilize the system and build confidence in the American people by us 
being confident, by speaking out that we intend to do this, and by 
doing it we are going to save this credit system in the United States 
which applies daily to each American in a different way, but is their 
credit system, the credit system of the people of this country.
  The history of the banking system in the United States is clearly an 
interesting one, and I believe rather than give it today, I will 
reserve it--I know I will have another opportunity to speak--and change 
the tenor of my remarks today from the history of the banking system to 
my version of the problem, from the top of my head as I think and look 
at a few words, what I think the problem is and what I think our 
responsibility is.
  I once again say that before we leave here, we have a responsibility 
to face up to what could be the greatest economic crisis America has 
ever seen. If it isn't that big, we don't understand it. We are being 
told by those who know that it is that big, that it could be the 
biggest economic crisis we have ever had. I tend to believe these two 
gentlemen. I have heard them. I don't know them. I listen to them. I 
have no idea why they would be telling us this if it were not that they 
truly believed it was the fact as they gathered the facts from this 
enormous credit system of the United States.

  I repeat, we are fortunate that the two experts are truly expert on 
matters similar to the ones we are facing. I didn't know about the good 
doctor who is Chairman of the Federal Reserve until I was preparing for 
this speech and for these hearings, that not only is he an economist 
but his expertise is in the Great Depression. No wonder he talks so 
confidently about what might happen if we do this or that.
  Who are we going to believe if we don't believe people such as them? 
Who are we going to believe if we don't believe the Secretary? The 
Secretary worked so hard yesterday. I was around him late in the 
afternoon. I thought maybe he ought to go home and rest, he had worked 
so hard. He truly is trying to tell us with two red flags--if he could 
hold five of them--he is trying to tell us there is a big problem and 
we better start solving it. Don't be worrying too long how big the fire 
is or how big the fire hose has to be. We know how big the problem is. 
It is either as big as they say, or we have to guess and say we, as 
Senators, with no expertise in this area, no more than that, we are 
going to guess. I don't choose to do that. I don't think that is why we 
are here. This is a complicated system. The credit system of the United 
States is complicated. They have narrowed it down to five or six major 
events and now the big one that will wrap it up. We better help them or 
we better be prepared to face the consequences ourselves as individual 
American Senators.
  I yield the floor and thank the Senate for listening.
  I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Casey). The clerk will call the roll.
  The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I understand that at 12 o'clock I am to be 
recognized for half an hour, but I ask unanimous consent that I be 
allowed to proceed at this time for half an hour.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.

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