[Congressional Record Volume 154, Number 69 (Tuesday, April 29, 2008)]
[House]
[Pages H2833-H2840]
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                      ENERGY AND OUR CONSTITUTION

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 18, 2007, the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Garrett) is 
recognized for

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60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader.
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. Madam Speaker, I come here tonight, as we 
do every month or so, to begin another session of the Constitution 
hour. Members of the Congressional Constitution Caucus basically use 
these opportunities to emphasize to our colleagues and people across 
the Nation the necessity of ensuring that our government is operating 
under the intent of our Founding Fathers. Specifically, we look at the 
10th amendment which affirms that the authority over most domestic 
issues belongs to the States, either directly or through their 
political subdivisions, and to the people therefore themselves. 
Actually, the exact wording of it is that all powers not specifically 
delegated to the United States Government is retained by the people or 
the States respectively.
  So we come to the floor as we do every month or so to bring this 
point home, to educate the Members of Congress, and to have a 
discussion on the constitutional merits of what we are debating here in 
the week before and after. In a little while we will look at a piece of 
pending legislation, a sunset bill, as it were. But before I do that, I 
would like to yield to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Westmoreland).
  Mr. WESTMORELAND. Thank you, Mr. Garrett. This has something to do 
with the Constitution, something to do with what the intent of our 
Founding Fathers was. I don't think that they had in mind Senate bill 
2739 which just passed the House with 117 dissenting votes and they 
must have had right at 300 who voted for it. It was an omnibus bill 
that included 61 distinct pieces of legislation, 61, at a cost of $380 
million. Sixty-one bills rolled into one, $380 million, 20 minutes 
debate, voted under suspension.
  That has got to make Americans proud, Madam Speaker. It has got to 
make our Founding Fathers roll over in their graves.
  But the part that really bothered me the most, because I talked 
earlier about the price of gas and what the majority party's 
commonsense plan to lower those gas prices was. And I look at this 
bill, Senate bill 2739 permanently blocks exploration for natural 
energy resources on millions of acres of Federal land at a time when 
this country and our entire economy is suffering as a result of these 
record high energy prices. But yet we permanently block exploration of 
natural gas.
  Also, you know, we only own 670 million acres. You know, Congressman 
Garrett, I don't know what the Founding Fathers had in mind with the 
Constitution, but I think if they had really figured that the Federal 
Government would own 670 million acres, they may have put that in there 
somewhere.
  One thing they did put in the Constitution was about private property 
rights. The natural heritage area designations included in this bill 
restrict, and I think the Constitution talks about this somewhere, 
restricts how residential and commercial property owners utilize their 
private property without any notice or warning.
  It also kicked out and stripped out some amendments put in by the 
House that would have protected the second amendment, and I believe 
that may be in the Constitution, it is talked about somewhere, the 
second amendment. So the right to bear arms and property rights in 
these natural heritage areas were stripped out of this bill.
  What breaks my heart even more is that the minority party, who has 
been standing up here complaining about our energy cost, all we had to 
get was about 28 more votes and this bill would have had to come under 
regular order where we could have stood on this floor in front of the 
American people, Madam Speaker, and debated this bill. But we could not 
muster 145 votes out of the 199 Members that we have in the Republican 
conference. That's embarrassing to me. That is just as hard for me to 
understand and to go home and try to explain to my constituents when I 
am standing up here night after night arguing about oil and gas prices 
and the price of energy and what little pitiful bit the majority is 
doing when my party won't support doing something to make some real 
change in what we are paying at the pump.
  Mr. Garrett, I want to thank you for doing this special order on the 
Constitution, and I hope that you will bring up the private property 
rights, the second amendment, the fact that we can pass legislation 
$380 million worth, 61 different bills rolled into one under suspension 
with 20 minutes of debate.
  Like I said, Madam Speaker, I know that makes America proud.
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. I thank the gentleman for raising these 
points. He takes the lead from the gentleman from Maine from the other 
side of the aisle who had just previously done 5 minutes talking about 
the energy situation. Let me follow up along those lines before we talk 
about the sunset bill we want to talk about tonight.
  I agree with the gentleman from Georgia that our Founding Fathers 
would be rolling their eyes and turning over to the proverbial grave if 
they were ever to look to see the size and scope and depth of 
regulation of the Federal Government, a far cry from what the Founders 
ever intended as the appropriate role of government in people's lives.
  They did, as the gentleman from Georgia said, put a significant 
weight and value to that of private property rights, and they did 
believe that private property was just that, something to be held by 
the private citizen and not by the government, whether it is the State 
or Federal, but specifically here on the Federal level.
  The gentleman from Maine was making the observation that something 
needs to be done with regard to the fact that our citizens back home, 
our constituents back home are aggrieved by the high price of oil, 
whether it is the gasoline for your car or for the diesel for your 
truck, or home heating fuel if you are in the northern States such as 
myself. The gentleman from the other side of the aisle on the majority 
party would suggest that the answer comes from the Federal Government.
  I would suggest that the answer, as far as the Founding Fathers would 
believe, the answer comes from the private sector, would that the 
private sector have a free hand and free rein in order to address the 
problem.
  But as we stand here right now, 85 percent of our natural resources 
in this area of energy offshore of this country are tied up, locked up, 
if you will, unobtainable for all of us to use as was intended; 85 
percent locked up, unavailable for us to be going to get, either oil or 
natural gas. So we are paying the price for that.
  So when the gentleman from Maine from the majority party says that 
the administration is at fault here, I had to sit and scratch my head 
and try to remember who is running this House, and which party is 
running the Senate as well. And of course we know the answer, it is the 
Democrat Party.
  This is not a partisan issue I'm raising here. I think everyone from 
this side of the aisle would like to extend a hand to the other side of 
the aisle to try to work together and come to a resolution on this 
issue.
  But if the way that they take is to point blame and blame the 
President and the Bush administration and the like, that's not going to 
bring us to closure. That is not going to bring us to a solution 
satisfactory to the American public.

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  We need to work together on this.
  Likewise, we are not going to get to that solution if all we have is 
empty promises. I remember all too well a little over 2 years ago, in 
the 2006 elections, when the, then they were the minority party, but 
the Democrat Party was saying that they had the solution. They had the 
answer to the oil problem and the oil crisis and the price of gas at 
the pump, and if they were elected, they said, and they were put into 
the majority power, they would be able to give us that solution and 
that plan and bring us to a better day.
  And if you think back to where it was and what they were saying was 
so terrible at that time, well, gas at that time was like $1.90 or 
something like that. It was just approaching, it hadn't quite gone over 
$2 a gallon at the pump. But they said elect them and they'd have a 
solution.
  Well, here it is in April, 16 months after they've been in office, 
and we are still waiting for that solution. We are still waiting for 
that answer to come down the road, to be handed to us so

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that we can all get behind it in a bipartisan manner and answer that 
the challenge that the American public gave to us, how can we solve 
this problem. Because the American public, I think, would be more akin 
and in tune with what the founders would say.
  The American public would say, to solve this problem you must release 
the abilities and the entrepreneurial spirit and the great ideas of the 
business person and the landowner and the private property owner and 
those who own renewable and other energy sources to be able to develop 
those and allow them to come into the marketplace.
  But that is not happening yet, so long as the other side of the aisle 
refuses to give us whatever their solution or their plan is that they 
told us about some time ago, nor is that about to come about so long as 
the other side of the aisle simply comes to the floor and casts 
aspersion on the Bush administration or whoever's in the White House at 
the time and says it's all somebody else's fault, rather than really 
grappling with the issue and trying to come to a solution to it.
  There are solutions to it. There are free market principles. They are 
principles that our founding fathers would have enjoyed and appreciated 
and applauded as they crafted the U.S. Constitution, and that's what we 
should be embracing today, so that we can go home to our constituents, 
so the gentleman from Georgia, who said he's somewhat embarrassed to go 
back to his constituents and say this is what is happening now in 
Congress as Congress fails to deliver on its promises.
  We should be able to deliver, if not on our promises, then on the 
promises on the other side of the aisle and to address this solution in 
a bipartisan manner and get the job done in the manner that their 
founders would have intended.
  Now, I believe that the gentleman from Utah (Mr. Bishop) had another 
point on a different issue. The gentleman, I am pleased, has just 
joined us, from Utah. And before we get to the topic that we came here 
tonight, which was to discuss the issue of the Brady bill, which is the 
bill dealing with the Sunset Commission and how the Constitution ties 
into that topic and why the founding fathers would applaud the ideas 
that Mr. Brady has given us as far as addressing the over-running 
government that we have, the gentleman from Utah has joined us, Mr. 
Bishop, to fill us in on the issue dealing with NASA.
  Mr. BISHOP of Utah. Thank you, Madam Speaker. And I appreciate the 
gentleman from New Jersey in yielding a few moments so we can talk 
about another issue of significance, I think, right now.
  It was in the year 2004 that the President outlined our Nation's 
vision for space exploration; and he gave three goals:
  Number 1, to complete the international space station by 2010, 2, to 
conduct the first manned mission of a new vehicle for astronauts by 
2014; and Number 3, to return a man to the moon by 2020.
  Now, these goals won bipartisan approval by Congress in the 2005 NASA 
Authorization Act, and we gave clear directions to NASA to administer 
this act. In it, the administrator was directed to develop a human 
presence on the moon, promote exploration, science and commerce, United 
States presence in space, and to create a stepping stone to future 
exploration of mars and other destinations.
  It further codified more specific requirements to use personnel and 
assets of the current space shuttle program in developing a new crew 
vehicle and two new launch vehicles.
  Now, after the old space shuttle, the original one here has fulfilled 
its mission to complete the international space station, it will retire 
in the year 2010 and, by law, must be replaced no later than 2014 by a 
new vehicle, this one at the top, which is called Orion, which will 
take humans to the space station, to the moon, to Mars and to beyond.
  This vision is a bulwark of our Nation's space future for the decades 
to come. You see, the space shuttle will have been in service for 30 
years by the time it's retired, and we can expect as much or more from 
these new systems.
  NASA Administrator, Michael Griffin, has translated these objectives 
into a coherent program for further exploration in the solar systems. 
Its name is Project Constellation, and it will include Orion, and be 
powered by the most effective, reliable and safe launch vehicles to 
carry our crew into orbit or lift supplies needed for space 
exploration; and those two new rockets will be called Ares I and Ares 
V.
  Now, Orion will give the United States the best capability to 
transport astronauts to destinations outside of the Earth's orbit and, 
at the same time, serve the international space station. The 
development of the Ares I rocket will boost Orion into orbit, and it 
has made tremendous progress. In fact, the first unmanned prototype 
test launch of Ares I is in April of this year.
  Ares I is at least a factor of 10 times safer, and will lift crews 
into space at a cost significantly lower than the current space 
shuttle. In fact, Ares I will be reliable and cost effective enough to 
be used for commercial purposes, delivering on NASA's promise to 
energize space activities in the commercial sector.
  Ares V will be the largest rocket ever produced, exceeding even the 
carrying capacity of the old Saturn V rocket. Now, the Ares V will only 
be used to take cargo into space. But the combined capabilities of the 
Ares I and Ares V rockets will support the space station, moon and Mars 
exploration, large scientific and commercial payloads and journeys to 
destinations in our solar system that Kirk, Pickard, Spock and the guy 
on Reading Rainbow only dreamed of.
  Furthermore, these rockets will reassert our leadership in 
exploration of space for decades to come, a leadership that is 
currently being challenged by other countries.
  NASA's space exploration vision is vital to this Nation's continued 
global leadership in space and technology. It will inspire a new 
generation to become physicists, chemists, geologists, mathematicians 
who will pursue careers in fields critical to our continued economic 
wellbeing and world leadership.
  Now, we often bemoan the lack of interest in science and math, and 
dream up all sorts of incentives here in Congress that will fail 
because kids really don't want a Federal bribe. They want to be 
challenged and inspired. And just like the space race of the 1950s and 
the 1960s motivated a whole generation of students to pursue education 
in science and technology, NASA's new exploration plans can inspire a 
sense of adventure and pride in today's kids.
  The Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs provided this kind of 
dramatic motivation from grade school to college graduates. So within a 
few years we were turning out growing numbers of highly skilled 
engineers and scientists as America's space program offered challenging 
jobs in pursuit of landing humans on the moon.
  It is not coincidentally, a coincidence at all that scientific and 
engineering expertise lost its momentum immediately after the 
successful Apollo program was prematurely ended and our space 
commitment was de-emphasized. With no greater challenges in human space 
flight on the horizon, the historic excitement to earn science and 
engineering degrees simply withered.
  Improving the quality of education is as simple as firing the 
imagination of a child. The dream of working on the moon, traveling to 
Mars, exploring the other planets will spark that drive. An 
inspirational vision such as space exploration can provide that 
necessary spark. We need that inspiration, not only to compete in 
space, but to continue to compete successfully here on earth. Without 
this motivation, it simply won't happen.
  While JFK's challenge was to send a man to the moon and return him 
safely to the earth, and that was indeed an historic accomplishment, 
the most important legacy of Apollo is that it inspired a generation to 
do great things. It's more important now than ever that we do great 
things. Space exploration will motivate the next generation to 
accomplish feats that we can only imagine today, and will secure 
America's position as a world leader.
  The NASA administrator, Michael Griffin, put it in the proper 
perspective when he said, ``We go not for gold or silver, but for 
knowledge and experience, and for the expansion of technology. And that 
occurs when we explore. These are the reasons we do these things, and 
they are part of what makes us human.''

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  Previous space exploration has brought tangible benefits that have 
improved our lives in innumerable ways. When we say space spin-off 
products, most people think of Tang and maybe Velcro. But we watch the 
weather reports on television every night and don't recognize this 
would not be possible without the space program. Or we make a phone 
call and don't consider that the connection may be via a communication 
satellite. GPS navigation satellites, originally developed for the 
military, are now used 95 percent of the time for civilian application. 
And many of these benefits are so taken for granted that we now 
consider them intangible benefits.
  There are many tangible benefits from the space program. The 2007 
``Space Report'' estimated that last year's impact on the economy from 
space was $220 billion, with 60 percent of that figure coming from 
commercial goods and services, not NASA nor the Pentagon. In fact, a 
common misperception about space is that this money is spent in space, 
when in reality, these funds are spent right here on earth in the most 
high tech jobs in the world.
  Another common misconception is the size of NASA's budget. Opinion 
surveys will show that Americans think NASA's budget is 10 to 20 
percent of Federal spending. In reality, NASA's budget is .6 percent of 
the Federal budget. The returns on this investment are priceless.
  The President, Congress and NASA got it right 3 years ago. A clear 
space exploration strategy now exists in the form of the Constellation 
program being executed by a team led by an Administrator Michael 
Griffin, who clearly understands not only the technical issues but, 
indeed, the delicate balance between performance, risk and cost. In 
short, Griffin gets it.
  Implementing the space exploration program will not be an easy task, 
but it will be worth the journey. Retiring the space shuttle in 2010 
and replacing it with Orion no later than 2014 is essential. We have to 
go forward without delay with this vision as it now stands. And let us 
not hinder and its dedicated partners from achieving it for all of us.
  In 2010 the international space station will be complete and the 
space shuttle program will draw to a close. But the future will belong 
to Project Constellation. Constellation will give us new space 
vehicles. It will take us to the space station, the moon, onward to 
Mars. The names of Orion and Ares will becomes as familiar to the world 
as Mercury, Gemini, Apollo and the space shuttle have been.
  Thank you for your patience, Madam Speaker. Appreciate the gentleman 
from New Jersey for giving me these few minutes to talk about an 
essential program that we have to push in the future. And I will yield 
back as we go on to the next topic of this discussion.
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. I thank the gentleman from Utah. And the 
gentleman makes an interesting point when he says to educate takes only 
to excite the mind and the imaginations and, of course, that is what 
happened some 200-plus years ago in this country when our founding 
fathers came to this land and excited the imagination that a new form 
of government never conceived by any human in any portion of the world 
ever before, and that was, we've seen today, in the U.S. Constitution.
  You know, that document today, for a lot of people is just a 
historical document and nothing more than that. And to many citizens 
the Federal Government is nothing more than a problem solving 
institution of government.
  However, the founding fathers delegated only a few specific powers to 
us here in Washington, to the House and the Senate and the White House, 
few specific powers, and they are in numerated in the Constitution. The 
remaining political powers were reserved for the States and the local 
governments and the people specifically.
  So tonight, I'm joined by my colleagues, Mr. Bishop who will speak 
again in a few moments, and Mr. Brady from Texas who'll try to focus on 
one aspect of trying to revert the government to what the founders 
intended in the first place by focusing on the inefficiencies and the 
waste that occurs when the Federal Government oversteps its bounds that 
were set forth in the Constitution.
  And we come here not simply to complain about the situation. No, and 
that's why I'm pleased that I'm joined by Mr. Brady, because Mr. Brady 
comes here with a solution to the problem as well, and he does so in 
the form of the Federal Sunset Act, which would help our country, in 
essence, return to the limits originally intended by our founding 
fathers.
  So with that I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman 
from Texas (Mr. Brady).
  Mr. BRADY of Texas. I appreciate the gentleman from Michigan's 
leadership and keeping the focus of Congress on the Constitution, what 
roles we play of a limited government.
  I don't know if you can remember what you were doing last Wednesday, 
but I do. Last Wednesday is what we call Tax Freedom Day. It's the 
first day of the year that you and I start working for ourselves and 
our families. From New Year's Day up to last Wednesday, April 23, we 
were working just to pay taxes to our State, local and Federal 
Government.
  If you think about what an overtaxed Nation we are, think about your 
day. You wake up in the morning, grab a shower, you pay the water tax. 
You stop and grab a cup of coffee, you pay a sales tax. And take your 
car down to work, you pay gas taxes. At work you pay two taxes, an 
income tax and a payroll tax. You come home at the end of the day, you 
open the door, turn on the light, pay electricity tax, turn on the 
television, pay a cable tax, use your phone and pay a telephone tax, 
kiss your spouse good night and pay a marriage penalty tax.

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  And on and on and on. Every day the rest of your life. And then when 
you die, you pay a death tax. No wonder it is so hard for families to 
make ends meet in America these days especially with the prices being 
what they are.
  And the only thing worse than how much we spend on taxes, especially 
those we send to Washington and Uncle Sam, is how poorly Washington 
spends our hard-earned dollars. I am convinced, Madam Speaker, that we 
make horrible use of the dollars our taxpayers give us. And I'm 
convinced that if Congress in Washington were a manufacturing plant, we 
would manufacture spending. That's what we were designed to do. If we 
want our government to manufacture savings and efficiency, we need to 
retool the plant. We need to change the way Washington works.
  I have a proposal that does that. This is a bill that I introduced as 
a freshman bipartisan Member with my good friend, Congressman Jim 
Turner from Texas. Well, we came in together as freshmen. It is the 
Federal Sunset Act. And what it does is its goal is to abolish obsolete 
agencies and eliminate duplications within programs because we know we 
don't spend money wisely. What the commission does is, bipartisan, made 
up equally of Republicans and Democrats, mostly legislators, but it 
also includes four members appointed from the public, and basically 
what it does is it places an expiration date on every Federal agency 
and program where they have to justify their existence or face 
elimination.
  They have to justify their existence not on what they were for 
created 80 years ago or 60 or 40 years ago, but they answer the 
question, Do they deserve our precious tax dollars to date? Ronald 
Reagan once said, The closest thing to eternal life on Earth is a 
Federal program, and he is right.
  The other thing, of course, is once created, Federal programs 
duplicate themselves. They clone themselves, it seems like. For 
example, we have more than 300 separate different economic development 
programs. We have more than 100 separate, different, or separate job-
development programs. We have 64 different welfare programs. There are 
so many urban aid, inner-city programs, different ones, that we could 
get in a car once a week and visit one in a week, and it would take us 
nearly 9 years just to see those programs in that one year. We waste 
and duplicate too much of America's hard-earned money.
  The Sunset Commission has worked now in over 24 States, so it's a 
proven method of cutting wasteful spending. In my home State of Texas 
over the years, it has abolished 54 State agencies, consolidated 12 
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in one State. I'm convinced it can do even more in Washington.
  Our government, unfortunately, for all of the good things it does, is 
too big and too fast. It needs to go on a diet. And the Federal Sunset 
Commission isn't a crash diet. It's a take-off-pounds-sensibly diet 
where each party, who seems to talk about wanting to balance a budget, 
who always wants to talk about cutting wasteful spending but won't act 
to do it, it gives both parties the responsibility and the ability to 
work together to streamline this big, bloated Federal Government so 
that a Tax Freedom Day, whether it is April 23 this year or if 
President Bush's tax cuts are to expire, which they shouldn't, we would 
actually work until May, the fifth month of the year, until we start 
working for ourselves.
  It is important that if we want to have lower taxes, more freedom and 
use taxpayers' money wisely, we need to enact a Federal Sunset 
Commission and enact it today. And I think that is the constitutional 
role of this Congress is while we may collect the taxes, we have even 
greater responsibility to limit its use as a government and to make 
sure they're used as wisely and efficiently as possible.
  And with that, again, the gentleman from Michigan has led the effort 
here among Republicans and among the Republican Study Committee to 
better define our Constitution and Congress' real role. I think these 
days, that's even more important we do that.
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. I thank the gentleman for taking the lead 
on this issue, not only in this session of Congress, but in the past 
session of Congress as well where I have been a proud cosponsor of your 
legislation because it goes a long ways to, what was that phrase that 
Barry Goldwater used when he came to Washington the first time? He 
said, I did not come to Washington to streamline government or make it 
more efficient. I came to Washington to eliminate it. And that's what 
you're trying to do as well with the intent of the legislation is 
define those areas of government that are extra-Constitutional, outside 
of the bounds of the Constitution, find those portions of government 
that are wasteful, duplicative and the like and to basically eliminate 
those so that the Federal Government can appropriately focus its 
attention on those areas that it's supposed to and then get that job 
done so that you and I can go back to our constituents and say that we 
are fulfilling the role of the Constitution and we are doing it in a 
Constitutional manner.
  I will yield.
  Mr. BRADY of Texas. For 30 years, picking up on what you just said, 
the public doesn't have to take my word for how inefficient we are, 
even your words, Mr. Garrett, about how inefficient it is.
  Recently, the Office of Management and Budget assessed over a 
thousand Federal agencies. They determined that nearly one-quarter are 
simply not performing. These agencies account for nearly $123 billion 
annually in increased spending, in duplicative spending, in spending 
that no longer works or helps anyone. And I keep thinking, what would 
our families do with $123 billion of their own money that they're 
sending us and we're wasting? What could they do for the families? What 
dreams could they reach? What decisions would they make and not rely on 
government to do that?
  I just think that all of this is about giving more faith in people 
than it is in government, and I think that's what our Founding Fathers 
intended this great Republic to be.
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. I appreciate your hard work on this 
initiative so that, as I say, when we go back to our constituents and 
one of those bills comes up in the future, and it will come up, when 
it's laden with additional spending, I'm not talking about earmarks or 
proverbial pork barrel spending, I'm talking about just legislation, 
that appropriation for dollars going to some other duplicative-type 
programs that you mention out there that we, you and I and the rest of 
us who are in agreement on this issue, can go back to our constituents 
and say, I voted the right way. I voted to eliminate those programs. I 
voted to downsize those programs. I voted to make sure that all we have 
left standing are those things that the Founders would agree with and 
that the programs and the agencies and the services that the public 
desires and demands and it's within the confines of the Constitution, 
and they're getting it done in an effective and efficient manner.
  So I appreciate your taking the bold step to accomplish that, and 
we're behind you on that. Now, if we can get the support on the other 
side of the aisle and move this legislation, we will be even further 
down the field than that.
  We're joined again by the gentleman from Utah to join us in this 
discussion on the Constitution and more specifically, on the Brady bill 
with regard to the sunsetting these wasteful, duplicative 
unconstitutional initiatives that the Federal Government is wanting and 
ripe to continue but for the fact that we have legislation like this.

  I yield to the gentleman from Utah.
  Mr. BISHOP of Utah. I thank the gentleman from New Jersey for 
yielding some time. I appreciate the gentleman from Texas who has 
introduced this particular piece of legislation.
  Madam Speaker, many of us grew up listening to vinyl records played 
on phonographs, something that my kids have probably never heard, let 
alone seen. But for its day, the phonograph was an amazing device. It 
gave beautiful music, or maybe not so beautiful music, into our homes; 
it brought great orchestras and bands to those who would have never 
heard them otherwise. And a few people still use them, but most of them 
had replaced them long ago with tapes and CD's and MP3 files, and other 
types of digital media acknowledging that the phonograph and vinyl 
record are outdated and that better technologies are available.
  In the same vein, most of us gave up typewriters a long time ago for 
computers. But there are a few who, for fear or suspicion, cling to 
their ancient and inefficient typewriters. Admittedly, the typewriter 
was a marvelous tool in its time, but there are simply better tools 
available now.
  So, Madam Speaker, I want to make the point that it's always a shame 
to see things that last beyond their usefulness, whether it's an 
outdated technology, a once-great athlete eventually cut from a team, 
or even a U.S. senator. You like to see things end in their prime and 
retain their dignity.
  Madam Speaker, I'm not here to propose a Commission for Involuntary 
Retirement of Senators. Nor will I suggest an investigation into aging 
athletes who should call it quits. I think Mr. Waxman could probably do 
that for us all. I'm here to support Mr. Brady's idea for a Federal 
Sunset Commission to evaluate government agencies and find those 
agencies that are outdated and beyond their usefulness.
  You see, in most sectors of American life, the free market simply 
dictates that old products, as great as they may have at one time been, 
are replaced by newer, better products. Unfortunately in the 
government, that process of creative destruction stops after we create 
the first version. The old out-of-date programs or agencies don't 
really get replaced. It stays around. Performing, maybe not performing, 
duplicative functions and sucking up tax dollars at the same time.
  Several years ago, the comptroller, David Walker, pointed out that 
the USDA, the FDA, and 10 other Federal agencies administer 35 
different food safety laws; the Department of Homeland Security, 
Justice, and HHS administer 16 different grant programs for first 
responders; and USDA and HUD both provide assistance for rural housing. 
And I won't even go into the Department of Education; that would be too 
easy.
  Why do we have such a hard time getting rid of old programs? It 
simply has to do with public-choice theory. Every government agency and 
program, no matter how outdated, has a core constituency who benefit 
from its existence. Those who are employed at the agency or program and 
those who receive benefits have a huge incentive to fight for its 
continued existence. I understand this attitude. I basically did the 
same thing as a teacher. I was not content, as many of the old-guard 
teachers were, to simply teach the same lesson year after year. So I 
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new programs like the Historical Society, the Renaissance Festival, a 
scholarship program, an oral history program, and Close-Up, an 
internship program at our State capitol. Now, fortunately, most of 
these program enhancements cost the school very little money except my 
time, but I did it because I always wanted to have a bigger role at the 
school. The status quo was never sufficient; I wanted to do more.
  And herein lies the problem for both government programs and for me 
as a teacher: In our mindset, if a program is not growing, something is 
wrong. To self justify, government agencies and offices always think of 
new ways to expand their ``services.'' The goal is always ``bigger'' 
and ``more,'' which ends up costing the taxpayers. The desire to grow 
is the natural instinct of any government agency, and it is the natural 
instinct of us, but it means to control government, a legislative body 
has to continually fight that which naturally occurs. It's always an 
uphill battle. We continue the old and introduce the new.
  Simply, what we do is when we introduce a new program and there is 
still an old one in place, it puts us in the silly position of using a 
computer and a typewriter at the same time. Comptroller Walker, before 
he retired, in the same report that I just quoted, said, ``A 
fundamental reassessment of government programs, policies, and 
activities can help weed out programs that are outdated, ineffective, 
unsustainable, or simply a lower priority than they used to be. In most 
Federal mission areas, from low-income housing to food safety to higher 
education assistance, national goals are achieved through the use of a 
variety of tools and increasingly through participation of many 
organizations such as State and local governments that are beyond the 
direct control of the Federal Government.''
  ``Government cannot accept as given all of the existing major 
programs, policies, and operations. A fundamental review of what the 
Federal Government does, how it does it, and in some cases, who does 
the government's business, will be required, particularly given the 
demographic tidal wave that is starting to show on our fiscal 
horizon.''
  ``A fundamental reassessment.'' It's a novel idea. Make agencies and 
programs continually prove their value. That brings us to Mr. Brady's 
bill, the Federal Sunset Act of 2008. Sunset commissions aren't a new 
idea. States, as are often the case, are ahead of us here. I'm told 
that there are 24 States currently that have some form of a sunset 
review and have saved millions of dollars through this process, and it 
is simply about time the Federal Government follows their lead.
  P.J. O'Rourke once said, ``the mystery of government is not how 
Washington works, but how to make it stop.'' Mr. Brady's bill helps 
solve that mystery. It's a practical solution that will make it easier 
to get rid of outdated or low-performing or duplicative or wasteful 
government agencies and programs, and I commend him for reintroducing 
this bill.

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  It is something this government has to have to put some balance and 
rationality and logic back into the delivery of services by the Federal 
Government.
  And with that, I would be happy to yield back to the gentleman from 
Texas.
  Mr. BRADY of Texas. Well, if I may just follow up. You made, sir, I 
think a key component of why we need this. Right now in Washington 
today, if you try to abolish an agency that has outlived its usefulness 
or you question programs that duplicate themselves, there is always 
someone who jumps up and says, well, you know, I remember they've done 
some good things in the past. Almost impossible to do it. The Federal 
Sunset Commission changes that around and it basically says to the 
agency, you must justify your existence to taxpayers, not just to law 
makers, but to taxpayers themselves. You have to prove your value and 
worth and success.
  When I served in the Texas legislature, what I saw was in the 2 years 
before an agency was sunset, it was amazing how responsive they became, 
how quickly they returned your phone calls, how responsive they were on 
their letters. Now they were under the mistaken belief that their 
customers were actually the legislature. Their customers are the 
taxpayers. I want to reintroduce customer service back into our 
government, and I want agencies to know that if they drift far away 
from their original mission, if they do not perform and produce, if 
they don't recognize that they work for the public, the public doesn't 
work for them, they work for the public, if they forget that, they need 
to understand that on a regular basis they will be held accountable for 
it. And I think that's a part of our government today. Unfortunately, 
that is missing.
  One thing, too, I've noticed, my experience in sunsetting at State 
level, the gentleman from Utah mentioned it, is that programs that 
succeed, that do their job, spend their money wisely, perform and are 
responsive to the taxpayers, they do beautifully in the sunset. They 
have no problem at all. It is the programs that don't do any of those 
that struggle. And my belief is that we should fund constitutional 
programs that deliver quality services to our taxpayers, and not a dime 
for those who don't, not a dime for those who don't. And what's 
interesting, we've had one vote on the House floor in 12 years on this. 
Congressman Turner and I offered an amendment to a bill, and it passed 
with 272 votes, 2-1 margin. Now, the bill it was attached to eventually 
died, those things happen here in Washington, DC, but it showed us that 
there is support.
  We put this issue of a Federal sunset bill on a national poll some 
years ago, we wanted to know how America felt about it. Seventy-seven 
percent of Americans across every region believed we need a Federal 
sunset act and we should hold agencies accountable to the taxpayers. 
And I believe that done wisely and done well, this could be an 
effective tool for shrinking the size of our government, using our tax 
dollars more wisely. And in a time of war, in a time of deficits, I 
think it's even more important for both parties to pull together, find 
new tools they can both use day in and day out to try to squeeze the 
absolute best out of every tax dollar that is sent to us.
  And with that, I would yield either to the gentleman from Utah or the 
leader of this special hour, the gentleman from New Jersey.
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. I thank the gentleman from Texas (Mr. 
Brady) for being on the floor tonight and also for the subject, for 
introducing this Federal Sunset Act, an act which would, as he said, 
return our country and our government to the intent as set forth by our 
Founding Fathers.
  And when you think about it, in light of the extremely high taxes and 
even higher deficit, the time for greater efficiency in government 
couldn't be any greater than it is today. The American worker is 
handing far too much of his or her hard-earned money, his paycheck each 
week over to the Federal Government only to see it wasted in layers of 
bureaucracy, red tape and so on. I think you quoted Ronald Reagan 
before when you said that a government bureau is the nearest thing to 
eternal thing that we'll ever see on Earth, but regrettably, longevity 
truly has nothing to do whatsoever with a program's effectiveness or 
efficiency or usefulness to the American people. Just because it's been 
around a long time doesn't mean that it's good.
  Now, the background for the idea of a sunset, as the gentleman from 
Utah said, comes from the States, who are usually on the cutting edge 
because they are the laboratory of experimentation. And the sunset 
takes its name from the sunset laws used by many States to provide for 
a periodic review of the efficiency and effectiveness of the agency 
operations and their policies. It was back in 1976 that Colorado was 
the first State to implement a sunset. And at the State level this 
process has saved the taxpayer hundreds and hundreds of millions of 
dollars. And it has also reduced the size of government at the same 
time. And simply how it works is that each and every Federal agency 
must justify its own existence, and not its existence from the time 
that it was created, which may have been 100 years ago or 80 years or 
60 or 40 or even 10 years ago, but its existence today to the consumer, 
which is the taxpayer, constituent. And then after a thorough 
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an agency be reauthorized, streamlined, consolidated, or in some cases, 
maybe even eliminated.
  So why is that a great idea? It's a great idea because, as we said 
before, the Federal Government is just far too big, too fat, too 
wasteful. And especially now, in a time of war, in a time of deficit, 
don't we need every single dollar to really count, to be accounted for 
and to go for what is necessary? And a Federal sunset law is truly a 
proven way to abolish those obsolete Federal programs, eliminate 
duplication, and hold every agency accountable to the taxpayer.
  You know, it's no secret that there are many Federal programs that 
are simply not serving the American public. And these are the programs 
that have outlived their purpose, duplicated other programs, simply 
waste taxpayer dollars by diverting dollars away from real priorities 
and into what you might want to say is a black hole of ineffectiveness, 
which is what we see in Washington. And I think Mr. Brady said it, a 
taxpayer now works up to 113 days out of a year just to pay for his 
share of the Federal Government's spending of ineffectiveness.
  Unfortunately, these programs survive anyway. And they survive 
because of special interests, these cottage industries that grow down 
here that live off the taxpayer earnings. But you know, Madam Speaker, 
we're not here to represent any of those special interests. We are here 
to represent the mothers and fathers who could be at home with their 
children instead of working an extra shift so that they can make their 
contribution to this bloated bureaucracy that we call Washington. With 
a Federal deficit in the billions of dollars and with taxes that are 
too high and too unfair, we must do everything we can to ensure that 
our Federal spending is as limited as possible and most efficient as 
possible.
  And with that, let me just make one additional point. The idea and 
why we come to the floor now and why I commend Mr. Brady so much for 
his work on this is that the Federal Government was intended to be 
limited by the Founding Fathers, and this Sunset Commission would give 
us the opportunity to revisit that issue.
  I often say that when we vote on a bill, specifically on 
appropriation bills or authorization bills, and as we take out of our 
pocket the little card, which is our voting right, we should ask 
ourselves whether or not we have the constitutional authority to be 
voting yes on that spending or authorization bill. And in order to know 
whether we have that authority, we should be looking to the U.S. 
Constitution.
  Now, what this Sunset bill would basically force us to do is to look 
to see whether we actually have that authority and make each one of 
those Federal bureaus and agencies and departments and so on and so 
forth, whether they have that specific authority to do what they have 
been doing for 20 or 40 or more years, and whether, therefore, they 
should be eliminated or continued, or not.
  There have been different perspectives on whether or not these 
agencies should have the authority. And what we would have to do in 
this instance is take a look at what the Constitution says. One area we 
look to is article I, section 8, which basically would set out for the 
Congress, as they review these agencies and as we should really be 
looking at any time we look at any piece of legislation that comes 
before us, and this sets forth the enumerated powers of the 
Constitution and the powers here in Congress.
  There are a couple of views on how this is interpreted, but both of 
them are basically a limitation. Enumerated powers means that if it's 
listed in the Constitution, they are enumerating, they are listing 
certain powers that we have the right of. And therefore, the converse 
of that is if they are not enumerated, if they are not listed, then, 
therefore, we do not have the power to do so. And therefore, if there 
is an agency that does not have the specific powers to conduct its 
activity, that program should be eliminated.
  Now, the one view most strict on this, of course, was James Madison, 
who repeatedly argued that the power to tax and spend, which is what 
we're talking about when we're talking about appropriations or 
authorizations, did not confer upon the Congress the right to do 
whatever it thought was best in the interest of the Nation, but only to 
further the ends specifically enumerated elsewhere in the Constitution. 
So you have to look either there or someplace else in the Constitution.
  The second view on this, of course, is a little bit broader, but 
still pretty limited, and would still fall under this bill as far as a 
review under this bill as to what we should be doing here. And that 
simply says, does the agency, the bureau's activities, does it contain 
its own limitation, namely, that spending under this law be for general 
use, that is, national welfare, not purely for local or regional 
benefit. And so here what the founders were intending to say is if it's 
general use, general welfare, does it apply across the board to the 
benefit of everyone? Now, when we do this, and if this legislation were 
to become law and we are able to systematically look at each and every 
agency, I think we would find that much of what we appropriate our 
dollars for, the taxpayers dollars for does not meet either one of 
these tests. It is not simply a power that is being enumerated 
elsewhere in the Constitution, nor is it for the general use of the 
entire country. And when you look for the definition of the general use 
of the entire country, we can look again to see how the founders 
interpreted that when they passed in the First and the Second, Third or 
Fourth Congress as to how they interpreted it.
  You know, in the very First Congress of the United States, they 
looked at an example to make an appropriation for a loan to a glass 
manufacturer. That piece of legislation failed in Congress after 
Members expressed the view that such an appropriation would be 
unconstitutional under article I, section 8. Likewise, under the Fourth 
Congress, they did not believe the power to provide relief for citizens 
of Savannah, Georgia after a devastating fire destroyed the entire 
city; likewise, outside the purview of the Constitution.
  Whether we are talking about restrictions under this provision or 
otherwise, the sunset provision would give Congress in the future the 
opportunity to review each and every agency to make sure that it is 
operating within the confines of the Constitution as intended by the 
Founding Fathers, and that it can only be a good thing at the end of 
the day for the U.S. citizen.
  With that, I yield the remaining time to the gentleman from Texas.
  Mr. BRADY of Texas. Well, again, I would praise the gentleman from 
New Jersey for being a leader and the gentleman from Utah on trying to 
reinvent government, take it back to the features, take it back to its 
roots and make it work for us.
  I was intrigued by the gentleman from New Jersey's comments about our 
Founding Fathers because I was reading one of the many books about 
Thomas Jefferson. And he sent a letter back to a colleague, as the 
third President of the United States, where he expressed frustration 
that he was already struggling to try to close down Federal programs 
that had already outlived their usefulness. This was our third 
President, and he was already fighting to do that. It tells you what a 
challenge we have.
  But I am convinced that if both parties really mean it, that we can 
accomplish this. I think if we spent less time in Washington holding 
hearings on steroids and baseball, you know, if we spent less time 
promoting longer lasting light bulbs, and those are good, of course, 
but the priorities of this country, I think this Congress especially is 
disconnected from the real world, from what real families face. And 
when people are paying so much out of their paycheck and paying so much 
at the pump, it just isn't a responsibility to use their money wisely, 
it's an obligation. It's in the Constitution. It's in principle. It's 
really a case in morality. But we're taking people's money and wasting 
it.
  I hope people who are watching tonight will call their Member of 
Congress and ask why aren't they in support of the Sunset Commission, 
why don't they get on the Sunset Commission and use their thoughts and 
ideas to trim this budget? Because I'm telling you, we have Members of 
Congress, both parties, who I think can do an excellent job, but we 
have to have the will and the backbone to do it first. And I again 
applaud the gentleman from New Jersey for being a leader on 
constitutional issues here in Washington.

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  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. And I thank the gentleman from Texas. I 
thank the gentleman from Utah as well for being on the floor, and for 
both your leadership on this issue.

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