[Congressional Record Volume 154, Number 51 (Wednesday, April 2, 2008)]
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30-SOMETHING WORKING GROUP
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of
January 18, 2007, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) is recognized
for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, it's an honor to come before the
House once again.
As you know, in the 30-Something Working Group, we work very hard to
put forth the agenda of the American people. We have been consistent
over a number of years in doing this. And I think that it's important
for the forward progress of not only the House of Representatives but
also for the American people.
The good thing about coming to the floor and sharing what's happening
here in the Capitol Dome, or what's not happening, is its importance in
strengthening our democracy and also strengthening our economy and
strengthening the faith in government by the American people. And I
think that some of the information, especially as it comes in a
bipartisan fashion, that it allows our friends on the Republican side
of the aisle to be able to take part in legislation that the American
people support wholeheartedly.
Case in point: increasing the minimum wage, adopting all the 9/11
recommendations, and also looking at the issue of the greening of
America, putting forth incentives of saving our Earth as we move forth,
fighting for community police officers for local law enforcement
agencies, State law enforcement agencies, and also the Federal outlook
of being able to deter crime in this country; also assisting children
and getting a level of health care that they deserve in a universal
sense as it relates to S-CHIP, or what we call CHAMP here on the floor;
and to also have hearings, to open up this government to the American
people, of transparency.
As we started talking about Member projects, Mr. Speaker, in the
appropriations process, we brought about the transparency that the
American people have been looking for, disclosure, to make sure that
these projects are worthy projects, and also having what we call
reform, and we have shown that.
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I want to just talk about a few things, Mr. Speaker, if I can, before
the rest of the 30-Something Group is recognized, of what is happening
now, not only in America, but overseas. We know that a number of
officials from the Bush administration have been asked to come to
Capitol Hill to testify before various committees, be they House or
Senate. Today's news is the economy. When we start looking at testimony
that took place here today, where it was first mentioned, not that we
were trying to make history, a Bush administration official saying that
the country is in a small recession and that recovery will be soon, and
very soon, well, it reminds me of the debate when we talked about what
was going on in Darfur, in Africa, if we want to call it genocide or
not. We already knew it was genocide so we didn't necessarily have to
wait for the President or the Bush administration to say it was
genocide. But it did help when they said that it was.
Well, since now the Bush administration has come around to find out
that their policies of tax breaks for billionaires and millionaires did
not help the economy, and now has testified that we are in a recession,
or a small recession, using the R word, maybe we can start
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dealing with the solution as a unified government.
One example of how we have worked together in unity has been what was
shown when we passed the small stimulus bill that was passed, and I
know that the Speaker and Democratic leaders are looking, and also
hopefully Republican leaders, are working towards a stimulus package
that will create jobs, U.S. jobs here, and would allow those from the
GED education to the post-graduate education, doctoral, those that have
gone beyond in their education to be able to take part in new job
creation here in the United States. So we have these forward leaning
initiatives that we are ready and willing to work on.
The second point, I think it's also important as we look at the
housing crisis that we are in right now. Mr. Speaker, I am actually in
the next couple of weeks holding a ``save your home'' or recovery
effort in my district. I am asking my constituents to come forth, those
that are trying to make their mortgages, and bringing lenders together,
along with credit counselors, to be able to assist them to save the
only thing that they have, and that is their home.
I think it's so very, very important that we continue to work very
hard. I know that Chairman Frank, the Financial Services Committee,
will be having a hearing in response to what has been happening in the
housing crisis. I know that the Senate is working very hard to have
some product come before this House soon, and very soon, to deal with
this.
I think it's important that those of us in Congress not only support
the public efforts that are going on, but also encourage the banking
community and the lending community to step forward and try to assist
as much as they can in saving the piece of the pie of the American
dream. With so many Americans, that dream is now turning into a
nightmare. It's our job to be able to stand up for those individuals.
I think that it's also important to know the chair of the Federal
Reserve is continuing to warn us of a possible recession. I think that
it's important for us to look at it as a reality where it is now.
Now for individuals that have substance abuse problems, or whatever
the case may be, first you have to admit that you have a problem for us
to get to the recovery, or to recover from that problem, to be able to
receive the kind of treatment that is needed. As it relates to the
decision makers in Washington and in the lending community, admitting
that there is a problem is important. Many of us have, but we still
have some holdouts for the sake of holding out. I think that as we move
on, that we press on in a bipartisan way to make that happen. There
will be efforts to make that happen. I ask my Republican friends on the
other side of the aisle to be a part of the solution and not just the
argument.
I think that when we also, Mr. Speaker, and I just want to share some
of these thoughts because we have had 2 weeks off and I have had an
opportunity to focus on some of the things that I wanted to share with
the House of not only the observations, my personal observations, but
what I have read of what others have written of their concerns about
the lack of leadership on recovering or bringing about the kind of
recovery we need on this economy. That there are certain things that
have to be in place.
I know the first stimulus package we did gives some relief to
homeowners through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and FHA loans and raising
that ceiling so they can be able to assist individuals to save their
homes. But we have got to go further than that. We have to be able to
create the jobs that individuals need to be able to save their homes.
The second point I wanted to make, Mr. Speaker, that I think is
vital, General Petraeus is going to be here on the Hill within a week.
We know that we are starting to see violence again in Iraq. We know
that we have put a large investment on the ground in Iraq, not only in
our men and women that are over 140,000, that are there, but also we
put a major cash investment on the streets of Iraq in hiring a number
of Iraqis with U.S. dollars, cash dollars that they are paid in to help
keep the peace in certain neighborhoods that have been a part of the
uprising and the insurgency.
If I had the dollars that we have on the ground in Iraq in my
district, there would be no crime. We would be able to hire those
individuals that some may say are unemployable, that are out doing
things that we don't necessarily agree with. Some justify their actions
on the lack of being able to be employed, some justify their acts on
the fact that they are not able to, even if they are employable, there
are no jobs for them to get to be a productive member of society. Of
course, there is a lack of job training dollars in our States and in
our communities. There is a lack of bridge dollars to be able to
introduce these individuals back into society, especially those that
have made youthful indiscretions.
But as we start looking at General Petraeus' testimony when we come
back before Congress, we have to look at it from the standpoint of
where are we going from this point. I think that the American people
are ready for the Iraq experience to be over as it relates to street-
to-street, neighborhood-to-neighborhood protection of the Iraqi people.
I think that it's time for our government to be able at the highest
levels, and I know many Members of the House, including myself, have
personal editorials on this issue. But we are looking forward to
General Petraeus' report. We are also looking forward to Ambassador
Crocker's report.
We are also looking forward to hearing not only from other experts
that are in the area of Iraq, and I know the Armed Services Committee
is going to be dealing with that, but I ask the Members in a bipartisan
way to look at it not with a partisan eye, but look at it from a
standpoint of what is best for the United States of America. So when we
deal with the economy and we deal with Iraq, I mean there are two major
issues that are going on in the country. For those that write books and
for those that are historians, they are paying very, very close
attention to what is going on.
Mr. Speaker, I am glad to be joined by my colleagues. I am just going
to do it in order of seniority and order of people that are next to me.
Even though I am going to recognize Mr. Altmire, since he made it here
first, we have Mr. Ryan from the great State of Ohio, and represents
Niles, Ohio, Youngstown, and has been doing great work here when we
first started the 30-Something Working Group. We do have what I
mentioned at the beginning of my comments, Mr. Speaker, is what we look
for is consistency and accuracy on what we share with the Members and
also the American people.
I have my good friend Ms. Clarke, Yvette Clarke from the great State
of New York, and representing Brooklyn in a very proud way. I have been
to her district and seen her work, and she has worked on the local
government level and brings a flavor to this body that all Members
should appreciate, and I know that will continue to be a force here in
Congress. And Mr. Jason Altmire, he and Mr. Ryan speak of very fondly,
in the same television market, media market. Mr. Ryan actually
participated in Mr. Altmire's election. I am glad that Mr. Altmire is
here. He is a great voice here in Congress and has passed bills on this
floor that are substantial to the very fiber of our democracy.
Mr. Speaker, with that, just these opening comments that I have made,
I know that with us being off 2 weeks, many of these Members have a lot
to share. But as we look at the next couple of weeks and beyond, there
is going to be a lot going on here in the Capitol dome, and the
American people are going to be paying very careful attention to it,
and we need bipartisan support in making that happen.
Mr. Altmire.
Mr. ALTMIRE. I thank the gentleman from Florida, and I look forward
to continuing the discussion tonight on all these issues the gentleman
has brought up.
The gentleman closed with Iraq. We are going to have General Petraeus
and we are going to have Ambassador Crocker come before Congress again
next week and give their status report on what they see on the ground
in Iraq. As the gentleman from Florida knows, he and I traveled to Iraq
together last year. One of the things that you would see over there is
that the military situation, without question, our brave men and women
are doing incredible work
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over there. It's amazing to see firsthand the men and women in action
and seeing the great things that they have been able to do with the
situation that they have been presented with in Iraq.
But I cannot say the same thing about the politicians in Baghdad, the
Iraqi politicians. We have had for several months now, if not more than
a year, a situation in Baghdad where the politicians have just refused
to step up and make the necessary political accommodations to
administer their own government and run their own affairs. This
situation in Iraq can only be resolved by the Iraqis themselves. It is
their country. Our brave men and women in the military have provided a
bubble of security around Baghdad to give the decisionmakers, the
Iraqis in Baghdad the opportunity to make the tough political
accommodations that are necessary, and they have refused to do it.
What we have seen in recent weeks, unfortunately, is the situation in
Iraq regress. We will hold judgment on that until I hear from General
Petraeus next week and Ambassador Crocker and hear what they have to
say. But it does not appear that the situation in Iraq over the past
several weeks has gotten any more stable. I hope that General Petraeus
has good news.
But nobody can argue that our brave men and women in the military,
the best and brightest this country has to offer, have done everything
they can possibly do to give the Iraqis the opportunity to take the
reins of power and control their own affairs and manage their own
destiny. Unfortunately, it appears that they have refused to do so, the
politicians in Baghdad. So we will certainly talk more about that.
I also wanted to touch on the economic downturn that we are in.
There's a lot of debate on what you call it; is it a recession, are we
in a recession, or are we not. I really don't care what we call it,
what I know about is when I go back to my district in western
Pennsylvania and I talk with people who are struggling in this economy,
I can see firsthand what has happened and what the impact of this
economic downturn has had on my constituents in southwestern
Pennsylvania. We hear stories from all around the country of families
going through the same trouble and turmoil as my constituents are in
western Pennsylvania.
One of the things I hear over and over again is, well, these are just
people who bought too much house. They got in over their heads and they
bought more house than they can afford. You know what, they are getting
what is coming to them.
That is not what happened. What we have had is people all across this
country that have a mortgage, but they also have health care costs.
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They have kids in school, where they are paying college tuition that
is going up three and four and five times the rate of inflation. They
have perhaps businesses to run. They have costs with fuel and gas
prices and everything that that affects, with food prices going up.
Perhaps they took out a second mortgage, and maybe then they got
overextended because they couldn't afford their daily household
expenses because of everything else happening in the economy. This wave
came on, and we had over 1 million foreclosures last year. We are on
schedule this year to perhaps double that in 2008.
And I don't think anyone can argue that the economy is certainly in
trouble right now. It is in a downward spiral, and we are hoping to
prevent a recession, if we are not in one already. But I think to have
an argument, as we have had on this floor many times with people on the
other side who want to deny that this is a recession or not, that is
missing the boat. I don't care what you call it. What I want to do is
get out there and make a difference for the American people in a way
that is going to make their life better and help them pay their daily
household expenses and avoid bankruptcy and avoid defaulting on their
mortgage. And that helps everybody.
Perhaps you do say, well, these are people who bought too much house
and they got what they deserve. Even that is not the case. If those
people live in your neighborhood and they default on their mortgage and
their house is foreclosed, guess what? That is going to hurt your
property values. That is going to have a direct impact on you, and
maybe at that point you might take a second look at it. I don't want it
to get to that point. I want to take proactive action.
The President this week, when he talked about what his economic plan
was he was moving forward, it sounded a lot like Herbert Hoover and
what his plan was in the 1930s. And if you sit on your hands and you do
nothing, I can promise you, this is not going to correct itself. This
problem is going to continue to get worse.
So I am grateful that we have come here tonight to talk about these
important issues and to take action on these issues as a Congress,
because working together we can take a giant step in solving these
problems for the American people, hopefully avoiding a recession, if we
are not in one, but in the long term making policy decisions that are
going to directly improve the lives of our constituents all across the
country.
With that, I would now yield to the gentlewoman from New York (Ms.
Clarke).
Ms. CLARKE. Thank you very much.
Mr. Speaker, Mr. Altmire, and to my colleague the gentleman from
Florida (Mr. Meek) and to my colleague the gentleman from Ohio (Mr.
Ryan), it is great to be here with you once again. I just wanted to
come and have a conversation with you folks out there and, of course,
my colleagues here.
I was in my office when I heard the wrap-up of the last Republican
hour, and I thought I heard one of my colleagues state that we are in
this economic crisis currently due to the last 13 months of Democratic
control. I couldn't believe what I heard, because I thought to myself,
what a joke. Who does he think he is fooling with this type of baseless
rhetoric?
Americans know exactly who and what caused this economic downturn.
Pointing the finger right now does not help us to put milk in the
refrigerators of our neighbors and our constituents, and it certainly
doesn't fill the gas tank, and it certainly does not enable people to
stop fretting about whether they can make next month's mortgage
payment.
One of the things that we can all be grateful for is that this
Democratic-controlled Congress saw fit to rise to the occasion to
forecast what we see as a real economic downturn by putting forth in a
bipartisan way an economic stimulus package that we hope will bring at
least a moment of respite, a moment where folks can catch their breath
and catch their bearings as we present to them the opportunities to
refinance their homes and the opportunities to just sort of take a look
at the landscape and be able to catch up.
Right now, everyone is sort of running after themselves and trying to
catch up with the mounting costs of just living today. And it is really
just not a time for us to be pointing fingers. It is a time for us to
put our shoulders to the wheel with real solutions for all Americans.
Certainly this ``New Direction'' Congress has enacted an economic
stimulus package that brings relief to our families and provides
recovery rebates starting next month, that raises loan limits for
mortgages backed by the FHA, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and allows our
families to get mortgages with better terms. That is the type of
language that Americans want to hear today. That is what the families
of my district need to know is coming from us today.
When you think about the fact that we are going to be putting
hundreds of dollars in the hands of more than 130 million American
families who will spend it immediately to invigorate the economy, then
you know that we are concerned, that we are not just saying that you
got yourself into this, now get yourself out.
I noticed that no one said to Bear Stearns, you got yourself into
this, now get yourself out. We decided as a nation that we had to make
sure that the underpinning of our economic society was not withdrawn
from under us. We need to do that for every single family here in
America. We need to get that done.
Listening to our caucus and the conversations we are having as
Democrats around phase two of our economic stimulus is quite
heartening; knowing that we are examining what is needed to really get
this economy going, which means really innovation, which
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means bringing to the table the idea that we cannot continue to buy oil
which is not an unlimited source, but that we have to look at renewable
energies and the type of industry that will be developed in the years
to come through that industry and looking at our infrastructure that
has not been addressed, at least in my lifetime, that we know that we
are going to need to get this done over the next decade or so.
So all of these things are on the table. These are things we are
discussing as Democrats in terms of phase two, because we know that
this stimulus is just the beginning of a multi-pronged strategy that we
must take to ensure the future economic growth and strengthening of
America.
So I want to just thank my colleagues for their continued focus, and
not being distracted by those who would rhetorically joke about what is
really a major concern to so many Americans right now as they sit at
their kitchen tables, at their dining room tables, and they look at the
energy bills that have come in from a very harsh winter and a very
rough climate in many parts of the country, as they look at the fact
that the cost of milk per gallon is now the same cost as gasoline per
gallon, as they look at what it takes to travel from one part of this
Nation to another, the cost, or from their homes to where they work
each day, the cost. All of this is what we need to be focused on, and I
am really excited that we are on our way.
We talked about the war in Iraq, and there is a direct correlation
between what is happening with us economically and what we are able to
do economically when we have got so much invested in a war in Iraq.
Just this last week, we have looked at 5 long years of war. I can't
ever recall in my lifetime, and that is just to give you a sense, of us
ever being at war this long. It says something to those who have given
their lives and who are veterans of the wars of years gone by and those
who would give their lives as our soldiers in the future that we can't
be reckless about the call to arms in this country.
Some would say that what we have done with the war in Iraq has not
been the best moment in our history. So as we look at the fact that
over 29,000 Americans have been injured and more than 31,300 have been
treated for non-combat injury and illness, I hope that we will also
focus on the redeployment that will ultimately have to take place once
the Iraqi government stands up. It is in the capacity to do so, and we
are hoping that these things will happen simultaneously, quite frankly.
But that we also pay attention to these families in our communities, of
the walking-wounded warriors who will need our support and will need
our help as they readjust to coming back to an America that has a
faltering economy, that is struggling to keep its own people in their
homes.
We need to pay very close attention to what is happening with our
veterans, and this Democratic Caucus, this Democratic Congress, has
been in the forefront of veterans' rights, of veterans' benefits, in a
way that no other part of this government has paid attention to it.
So when I hear my colleagues in the last Republican hour focus on
trying to cast aspersions at what the Democratic Congress has done, I
really hope that they will join us in the bipartisan effort to focus on
what is real. What is real are the veterans that are coming home to our
communities and the struggles of their families and the duress that
their families have been under in just trying to make ends meet on
veterans' salaries. It is the struggle that everyone in our communities
is facing, whether it is personally or it is a neighbor, in seeing
those for-sale signs going up throughout the neighborhood. These are
the issues that we are concerned about.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. If the gentlewoman will yield for a second, I
want to share something with the Members and also with those of us here
on the floor.
During the break, I took the privilege of going out to Camp Pendleton
in California. As you go through the gate off of I-5, there is a
billboard that is there, like you would see out in front of a drugstore
or something, but it is an electronic billboard and it talks about if
you need counseling. They have folks coming back every 4 months or so,
some folks who have gone on their third and fourth tour.
Think about it. You have families that live on that base. You have
individuals the age of 18 or 19 years old, just single, that are living
there.
I had an opportunity to go through a simulator there at Camp
Pendleton like you are in an Iraqi village or in a city, in Baghdad, in
Fallujah. I have walked the streets of Fallujah. Mr. Altmire and I have
done it. Mr. Ryan and I have been to Iraq on another trip. The ground,
the structure, the folks dressed as though you are in Baghdad, it is a
true simulation, and they have gunfire and IEDs and all of these things
kind of going off in this simulator.
Just walking through that was an experience for me, and that was just
an enactment of what could happen or what should happen and giving our
troops, our Marines, units going through there, a real flavor of what
is going on.
I can imagine being in the situation. I knew that I could walk out,
the sun will be shining, it will be California weather. But when you
are in that kind of situation, some folks feel that this is just some
sort of made-for-television kind of thing.
I love the troops. Mr. Ryan and I, we have been hearing this since we
have been in Congress, because when we first got here, the war just
started. We weren't here for the vote to go or not to go, but we got
here right as soon as the war actually started. Some of the statements
that are littered throughout the Congressional Record are, you know,
``our troops, we'll show 'em,'' and carrying on.
We do have the best and the greatest and the most able military on
the face of the Earth, by far. But when you start dealing with the real
human issues of our men and women that are in combat, they go through a
lot and their families go through a lot.
What you said, Ms. Clarke, about we should take under consideration
what happens to those individuals, it's not a game.
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Mr. RYAN OF Ohio. Just to share a little bit, Mr. Speaker. We were up
at Walter Reed on Monday. And you want to talk about the issue of war
smacking you right in the face, when you see someone just a few years
younger than we are without legs, traumatic brain injury. You hear
stories from parents who say, ``I got a call from Iraq, and my son or
daughter, all they told me was he had a brain injury, and hung up the
phone,'' and they don't hear back for 4 days.
I mean, when you put all these stories together, that one particular
mom waiting there 4 days not knowing, the unknown of whether or not
your kid is going to live or die; or you hear the stories about the
soldier we had in Batavia, Ohio, where you didn't know; the body was
missing, you couldn't find it, and then you find it.
When you add all of this stress up and you put it into our families
and you put it into the soldiers that are there, and you talk about the
long-term health care costs of this war, not to mention what is
happening there day-to-day there now, but the long-term effects when at
some point this is all settled hopefully, one way or the other, at
least our portion of it is and our troops are back home for the most
part, the effects are still going to be left with us. And I don't know
if any of you have had the opportunity to see, Phil Donahue has this
new documentary out called Body of War, and it is all about the actual
physical injuries that these families are going through. And I think it
is important for us to remember that. And when you hear and read in the
paper that 10 or 15 civilians or four troops, those are real people.
And those kind of situations, when you have all these civilian deaths
in Iraq, from a very practical standpoint, one is they are civilians
and that is a whole other issue, but from a very practical standpoint
it makes it very difficult for us to solve the political problems over
there when everyone who is a part of the government are losing brothers
and sisters and aunts and uncles who are getting killed by these bombs
that are going off over in Iraq. It makes it very difficult.
Mr. ALTMIRE. I thank the gentleman from Ohio. I wanted to think
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about this in the terms of what this Congress has done to resolve some
of the issues that we are talking about right now for our brave service
men and women and their families. Because anyone listening to this
debate would say, well, that is great that you are talking about what
the problems are; but what have you done to solve the problems? And I
want to tell anyone who is willing to listen that we have a tremendous
record of accomplishment in supporting our troops. Not just saying the
words, but supporting the troops with our actions, not just our words.
And we are in the sixth year of the war in Iraq right now, and here are
some things that this new Congress has done, bills that have been
signed into law to address the issues that we are talking about.
The gentleman from Ohio talks about traumatic brain injury and the
incredible impact that has had. TBI is the signature injury of the wars
in Afghanistan and Iraq, because people who would have been killed in
previous wars, thanks to better medical technology and better armor and
equipment, thankfully they survive; but, unfortunately, in many cases
they are horrifically injured, the type of injuries the gentleman
witnessed at Walter Reed. I took a trip to Walter Reed, myself, and I
saw the same types of injuries, the lost limbs, the spinal cord
injuries and the traumatic brain injuries.
But what happens is, when these men and women come back and they are
still in the Defense health care system, they are treated for the
apparent physical injuries that you can see in front of you. And
because they are moving so quickly, they don't think to screen them for
TBI if it is not a severe case of TBI. They move them over to the VA.
The VA has no record of them having had a head injury, so it doesn't
become part of their medical record and we have symptoms that go
undiagnosed the rest of the time they are in the VA health care
facility.
So what this Congress did is said that every VA facility in this
country has to have somebody on staff who is equipped and trained to
treat traumatic brain injury, and we created a national data base for
all of those cases where we establish treatment protocols to make sure
that those brave men and women who suffered from TBI get the highest
quality care anywhere in the country. That is something that is going
to directly impact people's lives.
Because of that law that we passed in this House and that has been
signed into law, every veteran who enters a VA health care facility is
going to be screened for traumatic brain injury, so never again will it
go undiagnosed.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I was also watching our friends who were here
before, and they were saying things like: We have been so unproductive
in this Congress. We haven't really done anything; and the things we
have done, they are all bad. And I wrote the quote down. They are all
bad.
Is this bad? Is this piece of legislation that we passed to make sure
that our soldiers get at least looked at for traumatic brain injury, is
that bad? We can give the gentleman an opportunity to come back here
and maybe correct his statement, because I am sure he didn't mean it.
But to inject the kind of politics that some folks have on this floor
over the course of the past few years into this debate has really
poisoned it; and these are things that have been successful.
The largest increase in veterans spending in the history of the VA.
Was that bad? Increasing the minimum wage. Was that bad? The education
funding, more funding and more expansive, and the most investment this
country has made since the GI bill and the education. Was that bad?
Cutting student loans. Was that bad? I don't think so.
So we are trying to have these debates here very civilized in a
bipartisan way and talk about how we can improve the situation for our
soldiers.
I didn't mean to interrupt.
Mr. ALTMIRE. I thank the gentleman for that clarification, because
that is instructive when we do hear from the other side, the
unproductivity alleged of this Congress.
How about this. The gentleman from Florida talked about the
tremendous strain, as did the gentlewoman from New York, the tremendous
strain our families of our men and women who are in the Guard and
Reserve that are being deployed not once, not twice, but multiple
redeployments, four, even five times now as we head into the sixth year
of the war in Iraq, and we have been in Afghanistan since before that.
So these families are left behind, and they have to struggle just to
make ends meet.
What has this Congress done about it? We are being told on the other
side we haven't done anything, we don't have any record. Well, let me
tell you what this Congress has done about it. This has been signed
into law.
We expanded the Family and Medical Leave Act for the first time to
cover the families of our military Guard and Reserve, people who are
putting their lives on the line for us with multiple redeployment
overseas. And now, because of the action in this Congress, you can use
Family and Medical Leave Act time to care for a wounded service man or
woman when they come back, to use time to reassimilate as a family, to
get to know your kids again and get to know your spouse again after
being away for 15 months. And while they are gone, the spouse can use
that time to attend these deployment briefings that happen often during
the workday and they can't get time off of work, they can use it for
child care, they can use it to get their economic house in order and
deal with the household finances, things that weren't covered before.
That is a law that is going to directly impact people's lives. It is
going to make it a little bit easier for the families of our military
Guard and Reserve, and that is something that we did in this Congress
after the previous Congresses had done nothing to address the issue.
So, I do take offense to the comment that the gentleman from Ohio
relayed that had been made about how we had done nothing.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Altmire, I can tell you, it is a breath of
fresh air. I want to differ with you all just for a minute.
I don't mind our colleagues on the Republican side giving
misinformation. I don't mind it, because American people have a lack of
trust in what they say and very little understanding of what they do.
We speak here in the 30-Something Working Group, Ms. Clarke, about
fact, not fiction. We spend a lot of time working with the Speaker's
staff, working with our personal staffs to make sure we are accurate
when we come to the floor, because it does mean something when you come
to this floor and share with your colleagues about what we should be
doing, how we should be doing it, and what we have done. And I am glad
you focused on what we have done.
When I was in the State legislature, there was a gentleman by the
name of Alzo Reddick that represented Orlando, Florida; I represented
Miami, Florida. And I will never forget, I was like in my second year
of public service or something and all of this debate is going on in
the legislature; it was a great melting pot of opinions.
We were going back and forth, and folks were spending a lot of time
describing the problem. And he got up and he said, ``I just want to
remind the members that we were not only elected to describe the
problem, but mainly to do something about it. Okay? And now we are
trying to do something about it with this bill.'' And he went on from
there.
And it was very profound, because I have a lot of folks in my
district who spend a lot of time describing problems, and a lot of them
I run into when I am at the grocery store or what have you, and there
are a lot of folks who are on the sideline who don't want to get in the
game. This is a contact sport in many ways in this legislative body.
And when we were in the minority, we talked about what we would do if
we had the opportunity. Remember that, Mr. Ryan? And I know that you
all remember it because you were watching and a part of it and running
for office at the time. So you were out there echoing ``what I would do
once I get there.'' And I am glad you talk about that, because there
was a laundry list. And, Mr. Speaker, you know prior in this hour we
talked and I talked about some of the accomplishments we have made. And
we have done it, Ms. Clarke, in a bipartisan way.
We don't stand up here and dance in the end zone and say where are
Democrats only passed this piece of legislation. There has been some
legislation
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that Republicans have not seen eye to eye and it has become law. And we
don't want to dance in the end zone on that, because the American
people want to win.
So I say all of that to say this. I very seldom make reference to
what my colleagues say on the other side, because as far as I am
concerned, I don't want to echo inaccurate information. But we do need
to clarify it so that folks don't get concerned and start saying, ``Oh,
my gosh. Do you mean to tell me that's true? Is it really true?'' So
we're trying to build faith, because right now Congress is not where it
should be as it relates in the minds of the American people that they
feel good and warm and fuzzy. Polls have shown that they do feel more
comfortable with Democratic leadership in Congress than Republican
leadership in Congress. But as an institution and as a government, I
guarantee you that Suzy whoever and Johnny whoever would like to see a
government that works in a cohesive way toward the common good.
The gentlewoman, Yvette Clarke, came to the floor with a purpose
today. She came to the floor with the purpose of talking about the
realities of life. And you know that we have Members here thinking that
our commitment and our loyalty to the military comes in the form of
smart bombs, guns, and some sort of grenade. But, guess what, it also
comes in the form of thinking about their families.
We just can't use and abuse and just say, well, we don't want to deal
with that part that is after the fact; that is dealing after. Because
when I was at Camp Pendleton, I stayed on base, as I do when I went to
MacDill Air Force Base, as I do when I go to any location. I have been
down to Norfolk, Virginia and big Navy. I stay on base so we can hear
the stories from these families of what they are going through. And
they say, well, we understood a Member of Congress is on base, and you
bump into them: Sir, I just want to let you know how I feel as an
individual. And that is important. And we have taken that, because we
have had hearings in the Armed Services Committee, we have taken that
into consideration in the Appropriations Committee. Mr. Murtha has done
an excellent job by making sure that we pump dollars in on the family
side and doing some of the things in our MILCON appropriations trying
to do things to help those kids deal with the shock and the trauma of
dad or mom coming home screaming in the middle of the night and they
don't understand what is going on.
So when we look at these issues, I am glad that we are addressing
those issues, but we have to look at retooling this whole Iraq debate
and how we got into this in the first place, because we are going to
have Ambassador Crocker here, we are going to have General Petraeus
that we have met with, we have met with all of these individuals before
in the past. We want the real deal from them. But, as Members of
Congress, we have got to stand up on behalf of the American people, be
they Democrat, Republican, or Independent.
Ms. CLARKE. The gentleman from Florida really has emphasized what we
know is a challenge for America right now. And we are making the
marriage here in our conversation, the marriage between the fact that
we have to disengage from Iraq, that we realize that our policies have
failed there, that it is now a diplomatic mission more so than anything
else. And, yes, there will be a cost to redeployment, but the cost to
American families has been extensive. And as our brave men and women
come back to the United States of America, come back to our respective
communities and they face the economic challenges that we have all been
facing over the past couple of months, couple of years in some
communities, that just compounds the whole reintegration process that
is going to be required, the health care, the ongoing health care that
is going to be required. And I think that we have positioned ourselves
as a Congress to really meet those issues. We know what the challenges
are. We have heard firsthand.
And when you look at our first economic stimulus package that will
provide child tax credits as a rebate to these families, when you look
at that expansion of financing opportunities for those who may be in
mortgage crisis; and, believe me that we can't separate the wounded
warrior from the home they own in the community and the cost of
gasoline to get back and forth to the VA hospital and the milk that
they have to buy for their child.
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This economic stimulus is going to be of support to those families as
well. But they are going to face what we are facing as civilians in a
very special way. And I know that the work we are doing here, Mr.
Altmire and Mr. Ryan, is making a difference in their lives. That is
why it was important for me to talk about the baseless rhetoric that I
heard coming from across the aisle because I don't want Americans to
overlook the fact that we have raised the bar and set the standard for
how we are going to treat one another as Americans, how we face our
challenges head-on, and come up with the solutions that are most
important.
Right now there is a crisis in health care. There is a crisis in
affordable housing and mortgage financing, and there is a crisis called
Iraq. There is a direct correlation if you put the equation together,
the type of money that we have been spending on this war in Iraq, and
let's not forget our soldiers who are also fighting in Afghanistan, but
the primary cost, the overwhelming cost is going into the war.
And our hope is that we will down surge, redeploy, have a surge in
diplomacy and get our economic house in order in the United States of
America and treat our veterans and their families as they ought to be
treated, treat all Americans as they ought to be treated, and help them
through this time of extreme pressure and extreme challenge.
I am proud to be a member of this Democratic caucus that has looked
at the landscape in its entirety, that is dealing with it in a holistic
way. We are not compartmentalizing these issues because one has a
direct bearing on the other.
I see Mr. Ryan standing here in rare form, and I know he wants to
chime in.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. You were mentioning the troops and how complicated
things have gotten.
One of the things you mentioned was what was happening in Iraq, and
Mr. Meek mentioned how we got in. I think it is important to recognize,
and there was a great article today in the Washington Post, what is
happening with our troop strength, where we are getting to the point,
we have all of these troops who go for 15 months and come back for a
year. We are hearing from psychologists and psychiatrists at Walter
Reed that they are not getting enough downtime. It is intense, urban
warfare. They are not getting enough downtime, and that is contributing
to a lot of the psychiatric problems that our troops are coming back
with that need to be addressed.
What people are saying now in the military is that it has to be a
year on or 15 months on, and 2 years off. Can you imagine if that is
the recommendation. The recommendation is 15 months and then 2 years.
Or it may even be 1 year. No, they are asking for 1 year on, 2 years
off; and then if they have to go back, send them back. Can you imagine,
that is the recommendation.
For them to now say you wonder what the issues are going to be when
it is 15 months on, 1 year off and back again, the psychological effect
on our soldiers and the cost long term to our VA health care. I think
that is important.
I wanted to highlight this. This is General Richard Cody, Army's vice
chief of staff who was testifying yesterday, and was talking about
basically troop strength. Mr. Meek, you sit on the Armed Services
Committee. You know how critical this is to where our country needs to
be in case there is another conflict somewhere in the world that we
have to react to.
Right now what the military leaders are saying is that we do not have
the capability to react to that. Now can you imagine putting this
country in that position, that we can't handle two separate fights
going on at the same time when that has been the golden rule from the
military for years. And what Cody said was that ``I've never seen our
lack of strategic depth be where it is today. The Nation needs an
airborne brigade, a heavy brigade, and a striker brigade ready for
`full spectrum operations' and we don't have that today.''
Now if anybody wants to make a judgment, it is not the Democrats
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making a judgment against President Bush, this is the Army vice chief
of staff who happens to be retiring in the next couple of months and
maybe feels a little freer to say the kinds of things that need to be
said, but if we don't recognize what position we are in, and then to
have some folks saying we need to be there another hundred years, how
are we going to possibly sustain this?
Ms. CLARKE. That's real, Mr. Ryan.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. That's the real deal.
Another quote, ``There has been little, if any, change of the stress
or tempo of our forces,'' calling the current pace of operations
``unsustainable.'' That's where we are.
To quote Cody again, ``Where we need to be with this force is no more
than 12 months on the ground and 24 months back.''
It is critical that these soldiers get the kind of rest that they
need. When you look at the cost now, saying the projection, when you
factor in the health care, and we are close to a trillion dollars for
this war, and the projections, when you factor in the health care costs
over time, this war is going to cost us $3 trillion.
And we have Members of this body who stand up and want to slash out
an earmark for $250,000 to help a local community that doesn't have any
money put in an EPA-mandated sewer and ignore the 800-pound gorilla
sitting in the middle of the room. It is a shame. It is a shame that
the debate has gotten that messy.
If we stay focused on what we have been trying to accomplished in the
past few years, focus on the veterans, focus on making sure that there
is an assessment for their mental health, making sure that they have
their money, which we put up, the highest investment in veterans'
health care in the history of the VA, those are the kinds of things
that we need to focus on as a country in a time of war.
I would just urge all of our colleagues to have this debate be
civilized and not taken to the lowest recesses of political dialogue,
which is sometimes I think where we end up.
Ms. CLARKE. Mr. Ryan, you've put your finger on the pulse of what we
are trying to accomplish here. It is our responsibility to redirect
those who would take the debate to its lowest common denominator and
distract the American people from the realities of where we are today.
Where we are is a Democratic Congress that has risen to the occasion,
that has filled in the gaps and is holding the line while others would
seek to continue failed policies that are costing us more and more and
more with each day. Basically mortgaging, you know, the lives of our
children and our grandchildren in order to pay for it, while at the
same time neglecting all that needs to be done to make sure that we can
live a decent standard of living here in this country.
So we have fought this and we are still fighting. I yield.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I think it is important for us to recognize as we
have this debate in Congress, we recognize where we are at right now.
And our friends are talking about their alternative budget, and I know
my friend from Florida doesn't like me using quotes from the other
side, and I understand that.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. You can do whatever you want to do. It's a free
country.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. It is a free country, and I am an American so I am
going to say what I want.
Our friends on the other side, this alternative budget, alternative
this, alternative that, I think it is important for us to recognize if
you want to know what the conservative, neocon-
servative, right-wing government looks like, all you have to do is open
your eyes, read the paper, go to the gas station, pay your health care
bill, pay your tuition bill, and you will know that philosophy
implemented is the reality we are living in today. They deregulated the
financial markets, deregulated the energy sector, gave billionaires tax
cuts. You see this every day. Increased tuition, energy costs going up
double the rate of inflation, milk going up 26 percent, eggs going up
40 percent. And $3 trillion in war over the course. And you put all of
this together and you say that's the alternative? That's what you want
us to go back to?
We spent the whole year just trying to get back to ground zero,
raising minimum wage, cutting student loan interest rates in half,
investing in alternative energy, implementing the 9/11 report, making
sure that our veterans are taken care of. We are still digging out of a
hole. Can you imagine, these folks raised the debt limit five times to
the tune of $3 trillion, borrowing it from China, Japan, and OPEC.
And the mortgage crisis, the anxiety people feel, that is the
conservative Republican agenda implemented. We don't have to look
anywhere; we are living it now. Now. So we don't have to look too far.
The other day the President said if the Democrats repeal the $18
billion in corporate welfare for the oil companies, I will veto any
bill that has that in it. Now can you imagine how screwed up the
situation is. Consumer protection, toys, pet food, food coming over,
medicine coming over from China without the proper folks checking the
stuff out, mine safety has gone down so we have mining accidents
because there wasn't the proper oversight. We know what happened with
Hurricane Katrina and FEMA because we put political hacks in jobs. All
of this happened under the conservative Republican agenda.
So I just would like to say we are working very hard to balance the
budget, make investments in education and our vets, take care of the
environment, and make these investments in alternative energy so we can
have green collar jobs replacing the blue collar jobs we have been
losing.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I thank Mr. Ryan and Ms. Clarke. I
am glad you both are in Congress.
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