[Congressional Record Volume 154, Number 49 (Monday, March 31, 2008)]
[House]
[Pages H1797-H1805]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
FISA
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of
January 18, 2007, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. McCaul) is recognized
for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. Forty-five days ago, the Protect America Act
expired. Forty-five days ago, we began to lose critical intelligence
overseas that could help better protect this Nation. Forty-five days
ago, al Qaeda began to have the upper hand in this war on terror.
Forty-five days ago, we started to
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go dark in parts of the world. Why? Because the Democratic leadership
will not allow this body to vote to make the Protect America Act
permanent, as the Senate did many months ago.
Mr. Speaker, this is a dangerous and reckless partisan play with the
safety of the American people. It endangers the American people, both
here at home and the warfighter abroad. We took an oath of office when
we were sworn in to protect and defend the Constitution against all
enemies, foreign and domestic. These are the foreign enemies. We are
talking about foreign terrorists in a foreign country communicating
foreign communications. This has nothing to do with the United States
citizens. And yet, what the Democrats are allowing is to extend
constitutional protections to people like Osama bin Laden and Khalil
Sheikh Mohammad, al Qaeda leaders who are communicating about how they
can perpetrate an act of evil like on September 11th.
Mr. Speaker, there is a reason why this has not occurred since 9/11.
It is because we have had good intelligence. Good intelligence is the
best weapon we have in this war on terror. Without good intelligence,
we cannot protect this Nation. And this is what this debate is all
about. We all remember where we were on this day. But many of us don't
remember where we were when the London arrests were made to stop
airplanes from being blown up over the United States. Many of us don't
remember the countless acts of heroism our intelligence community has
performed in protecting the American people from plots against the
United States.
I, myself, when I worked at the Justice Department, worked on Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants. They had to do with agents of
informed power in the United States. Through the use of good
intelligence overseas, without having to go through the FISA Court, we
were able to stop a terrorist plot to blow up 10 American cities on the
4th of July. The voice that was intercepted said, ``Roast the Americans
on Independence Day.''
Mr. Speaker, this is real. This is a real-life threat to the American
people. You don't have to take my word for it. I want to read for you a
letter that was sent to the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Mr.
Reyes, from the Attorney General and the Director of National
Intelligence about the expiration of the Protect America Act. What he
says, he says, ``Our experience since Congress allowed the Protect
America Act to expire without passing a bipartisan Senate bill,'' the
bipartisan bill that was passed overwhelmingly in the Senate, that
Senator Rockefeller supported, he says, ``demonstrates why the Nation
is now more vulnerable to a terrorist attack and other foreign
threats.''
He explained that both the Attorney General and the Director of
National Intelligence say in this letter to Chairman Reyes that the
expiration of the authorities in the Protect America Act would plunge,
would plunge critical intelligence programs into a state of
uncertainty, which could cause us to delay the gathering of, or simply
miss critical foreign intelligence information, and then underlined and
highlighted in this letter, they warn the chairman, the Democratic
chairman of the Intelligence Committee, that is exactly what has
happened since the Protect America Act expired 6 days ago without
enactment of the bipartisan Senate bill. We have lost intelligence
information this past week as a direct result of the uncertainty
created by Congress's, by Congress's failure to act.
What is the response from the Democrat leadership here in the House
in response to a letter that says that we have failed to act in the
Congress, a dereliction of duty, in my view, by Members of the House.
Steny Hoyer, the majority leader says, there really is no urgency.
Let's all just calm down. Intelligence agencies have all the tools they
need. Really? When the Director of National Intelligence says just the
opposite.
Chairman Silvestre Reyes says, you know, things will be just fine.
Things will be just fine. Tell the American people that if we get hit
again. Tell the three American soldiers who were kidnapped by
insurgents in Iraq, and because we had to get ``lawyered up'' and go
through a court in the United States because the time expired, one of
those soldiers was killed and two we have not heard from since. You
tell the families that there is no urgency and that things will be just
fine.
Winning this war on terror, as the 9/11 Commission said, has
everything to do with connecting the dots. But if we are not allowed to
collect the dots, there is no way we can connect the dots. That is what
this debate is all about. It's about being able to capture overseas
foreign intelligence by terrorists, by people who wish to do us harm,
who every day are hoping that this will happen again.
With that, I would like to yield to the gentlelady from New Mexico,
who has really led the fight in the House on this issue, Congresswoman
Heather Wilson from New Mexico. I would also be interested in your
account of when this intelligence gap, if you will, this terrorist
loophole first came to your attention.
With that, I yield.
Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. I thank my colleague from Texas for
yielding the time. It was actually a year ago in May when I became
absolutely determined to get this fixed, and it was a result of a
series of cases in what I saw as a growing problem in intelligence
collection.
But so that people understand, in 1978 the Congress passed a law that
governed intelligence collection here in the United States, and it was
in response to a bunch of abuses that happened in the 1950s and the
1960s. Someone gave me a copy of a declassified memorandum signed by
Robert Kennedy and J. Edgar Hoover authorizing the wiretapping of
Martin Luther King. Intelligence agencies were involved in abuses and
violating the civil liberties of Americans in the 1950s and 1960s, and
this law in 1978 set up a special court called the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Court. They meet in secret session. But in order to listen
and to do a wiretap for the collection of foreign intelligence in the
United States, you need to get a warrant from this court.
The problem is that the law was written specific to the technology of
the time. 1978 was the year that I graduated from high school. The
telephone was connected to the wall in the kitchen. The Internet did
not exist. Cell phones were Buck Rogers stuff. At that time, almost all
international calls went over the air. They bounced off satellites. And
the law does not require a warrant to collect any of that information.
Almost all local calls were on a wire. And the focus was if you touched
a wire, you needed a warrant because that was presumed to be a local
call.
Now, technology has completely changed. There are over 220 million
cell phones in the United States. And now, almost all international
calls go over a wire or a fiberoptic cable, not bounced off of
satellites. So all of the foreign intelligence collection, foreign
intelligence information which we used to collect over the air, without
requiring any warrants at all, has migrated to wires; even more than
that, because of global telecommunications.
Telecommunications flow on the path of least resistance. So somebody
making a phone call from the Horn of Africa into Pakistan, let's say,
that call has a significant probability of actually being routed
through the United States. Even a call from northern Spain to southern
Spain may actually end up getting routed through the United States.
Early last year, there was a series of court decisions that found
that even if we are intending to listen to a foreigner in a foreign
country, if the point of access required touching a wire in the United
States, then you needed a warrant. This threw a complete monkey wrench
into intelligence collection. By the summer of last year, the Director
of National Intelligence has testified in open session that we had lost
two-thirds of our intelligence collection on terrorism.
The problem was becoming critical, and as a result, we passed
something called the Protect America Act in the first week of August
that said very clearly if you were in the United States, you needed to
get a warrant. If your target was outside of the United States, then
you did not need to get a warrant. It went back to the original
intention of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
We worked through the backlog in the 6 months that that temporary act
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was in place. Unfortunately, that act was allowed to expire on the 16th
of February, and now we have gone back to the old system for all new
tips and tips that are coming into the intelligence agencies. Anything
that was already under a warrant, was covered for a year. But
intelligence is a dynamic thing. There are new tips that come in every
day. It's a little bit like law enforcement. You're going after the bad
guys every day. There are things that happen and you get new tips and
new leads, and all of those new leads have to be dealt with under an
old and cumbersome system that does not allow America to keep pace with
the terrorists we are trying to track.
The key here is to prevent another terrorism attack, and our
strongest and most important tool in the war against terrorism is good
intelligence. If we can figure out what they are doing, we can stop
them. The key is to figure out what they are doing, and that means good
and timely intelligence.
I yield back to my colleague.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. If I can ask the gentlelady that serves on the
Intelligence Committee, we are talking, are we not, about foreign
communications by a foreign target in a foreign country, but just
because of the new technology, that it may touch a wire in the United
States, it requires us to get attorneys to go before the FISA court to
get a warrant. Is that correct?
Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. That is correct. Under the law that we are
trying to get passed, that passed the Senate by a bipartisan vote with
68 votes, it would not be required to get a warrant to listen to a
foreigner in a foreign country. Unfortunately, the leadership here in
the House will not allow that bill to come up for a vote.
Twenty-one Democrats, over 20 State Attorney Generals have asked the
leadership of this House to allow that bill to be brought up for a
vote.
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I think it would pass with an overwhelming, bipartisan majority.
So we have the liberal Democratic leadership thwarting the majority
of this House and compromising the safety and security of this country,
and I believe they are doing it largely at the behest of trial lawyers
who are eager to sue telephone companies, who can't defend themselves
in civil court without compromising the way we collect intelligence.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. I thank the gentlewoman. So the threat is not
only to the safety of American lives, in my view it is a threat to
democracy. If this bill was allowed to come to the floor, it would pass
overwhelmingly, as it did in the Senate.
Briefly before I yield, the gentlewoman talked a lot about the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. I practiced law under that.
Admiral Inman, who is a supporter of mine, a friend in Austin, Texas,
was the Deputy Director of the CIA, Director of the NSA. He was one of
the principal authors of the FISA statute. When we talked about the
application of this, having to apply the FISA overseas to foreign
terrorists, that we are extending constitutional protections to
terrorists in foreign countries, what he said, and he wrote an op-ed
with me, he said, ``To apply FISA to monitoring foreign communications
of suspected terrorists operating overseas, such as Osama bin Laden and
other key al Qaeda leaders, turns the original intent of the FISA
statute on its head. Contrary to some of the rhetoric coming from the
Democrats, it is the members of al Qaeda, not American citizens, who
are the target of these intelligence gathering activities.''
As the gentlewoman mentioned, in my view the driving force behind
this dereliction of duty, this stopping democracy, is driven by a
narrow special interest, and that is the ACLU and the trial lawyers
pushing their agenda in a dangerous way that will put the American
people at grave risk.
With that, I would like to yield to my good friend, the gentleman
from Pennsylvania (Mr. Dent).
Mr. DENT. I would like to thank the gentleman from Texas and the
gentlewoman from New Mexico for their strong leadership and advocacy on
this critical national security issue. I think the colloquy engaged in
really does represent the essence of the issue.
Former Director Bobby Inman was just quoted saying that it seems that
there is greater concern around this Congress by a minority, frankly,
to grant constitutional protections to foreign terrorists, really at
the expense of protecting Americans.
I think we all know that is wrong. I think the colloquy you both just
engaged in, and I heard the frustration expressed in your voice, I
think that is also the frustration we are hearing from the American
people. The American people do believe that Washington is broken, and I
have said this many times. They are angry because Congress is not
getting things done on their behalf, and this issue is just proof
positive of this terrible failure.
It has been pointed out that we have a bipartisan agreement in the
Senate, 68 votes. We have more than a majority in this House to pass
this critical legislation, the Protect America Act. It will pass, if
only the Speaker will allow this legislation to come up for a vote.
They simply want us to put the national interests ahead of the special
interests.
As you pointed out, the most litigious among us in this society are
driving this issue and preventing the protection of the American
people. I think it is just wrong, and we all know it is wrong. The
bipartisan solution on FISA has been reached. There really are no more
excuses. It is time for this leadership of the House to take ``yes''
for an answer. It is time to get the job done.
It has been 45 days, 45 days, since the Protect America Act has
expired. Senator Rockefeller, the Chair of the Intelligence Committee
in the Senate, the Democrat from West Virginia, has made a plea, and I
am going to quote him. He said, ``What people have to understand around
here is that the quality of the intelligence we are going to be
receiving is going to be degraded. It is going to be degraded. It is
already going to be degraded as telecommunication companies lose
interest.'' That was Senator Rockefeller, not me.
The gentleman from Texas pointed out earlier too the letter that was
sent to the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Silvestre
Reyes, from the Director of National Intelligence, Mr. McConnell, and
Attorney General Mukasey, essentially saying something very, very
similar. I will read a quote from them in that letter of February 27,
2008. I will be happy to submit that letter for the Record here this
evening.
But I am going to quote what they said about the degradation of our
intelligence capabilities, pretty much agreeing with what Senator
Rockefeller said, a Democrat. What they said is, ``That is exactly what
has happened since the Protect America Act expired 6 days ago without
enactment of the bipartisan Senate bill. We have lost intelligence
information this past week as a direct result of the uncertainty
created by Congress' failure to act.'' That was 6 days after the act.
It is 45 days today.
They go on to say, ``Because of this uncertainty, some partners have
reduced cooperation. In particular they have delayed or refused
compliance with our requests to initiate new surveillances of
terrorists and other foreign intelligence targets under existing
directives issued pursuant to the Protect America Act.''
Mr. Speaker, I include the letter for the Record.
February 22, 2008.
Hon. Silvestre Reyes,
Chairman, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence,
House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
Deaer Chairman Reyes, the President asked us to respond to
your letter of February 14, 2008, concerning the urgent need
to modernize the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of
1978 (FISA). Your assertion that there is no harm in allowing
the temporary authorities provided by the Protect America Act
to expire without enacting the Senate's FISA reform bill is
inaccurate and based on a number of misunderstandings
concerning our intelligence capabilities. We address those
misunderstandings below. We hope that you find this letter
helpful and that you will reconsider your opposition to the
bill passed last week by a strong bipartisan majority in the
Senate and, when Congress returns from its recess, support
immediately bringing the Senate bill to the floor, where it
enjoys the support of a majority of your fellow members. It
is critical to our national security that Congress acts as
soon as possible to pass the Senate bill.
Intelligence collection
Our experience since Congress allowed the Protect America
Act to expire without passing the bipartisan Senate bill
demonstrates why the Nation is now more vulnerable to
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terrorist attack and other foreign threats. In our letter to
Senator Reid on February 5, 2008, we explained that: ``the
expiration of the authorities in the Protect America Act
would plunge critical intelligence programs into a state of
uncertainty which could cause us to delay the gathering of,
or simply miss, critical foreign intelligence information.''
That is exactly what has happened since the Protect America
Act expired six days ago without enactment of the bipartisan
Senate bill. We have lost intelligence information this past
week as a direct result of the uncertainty created by
Congress' failure to act. Because of this uncertainty, some
partners have reduced cooperation. In particular, they have
delayed or refused compliance with our requests to initiate
new surveillances of terrorist and other foreign intelligence
targets under existing directives issued pursuant to the
Protect America Act. Although most partners intend to
cooperate for the time being, they have expressed deep
misgivings about doing so in light of the uncertainty and
have indicated that they may well cease to cooperate if the
uncertainty persists. We are working to mitigate these
problems and are hopeful that our efforts will be successful.
Nevertheless, the broader uncertainty caused by the Act's
expiration will persist unless and until the bipartisan
Senate bill is passed. This uncertainty may well continue to
cause us to miss information that we otherwise would be
collecting.
Thus, although it is correct that we can continue to
conduct certain activities authorized by the Protect America
Act for a period of one year from the time they were first
authorized, the Act's expiration has and may well continue to
adversely affect such activities. Any adverse effects will
result in a weakening of critical tools necessary to
protect the Nation. As we explained in our letter to
Senator Reid, expiration would create uncertainty
concerning:
The ability to modify certifications and procedures issued
under the Protect America Act to reflect operational needs
and the implementation of procedures to ensure that agencies
are fully integrated protecting the Nation;
The continuing validity of liability protection for those
who assist us according to the procedures under the Protect
America Act;
The continuing validity of the judicial mechanism for
compelling the assistance of private parties needed to
protect our national security;
The ability to cover intelligence gaps created by new
communication paths or technologies.
Our experience in the past few days since the expiration of
the Act demonstrates that these concerns are neither
speculative nor theoretical: allowing the Act to expire
without passing the bipartisan Senate bill has had real and
negative consequences for our national security. Indeed, this
has led directly to a degraded intelligence capability.
It is imperative that our intelligence agencies retain the
tools they need to collect vital intelligence information. As
we have explained before, the core authorities provided by
the Protect America Act have helped us to obtain exactly the
type of information we need to keep America safe, and it is
essential that Congress reauthorize the Act's core
authorities while also extending liability protection to
those companies who assisted our Nation following the attacks
of September 11, 2001. Using the authorities provided in the
Protect America Act, we have obtained information about
efforts of an individual to become a suicide operative,
efforts by terrorists to obtain guns and ammunition, and
terrorists transferring money. Other information obtained
using the authorities provided by the Protect America Act has
led to the disruption of planned terrorist attacks. The
bipartisan Senate bill would preserve these core authorities
and improve on the Protect America Act in certain critical
ways, including by providing liability protection to
companies that assisted in defending the country after
September 11.
In your letter, you assert that the Intelligence
Community's ability to protect the Nation has not been
weakened, because the Intelligence Community continues to
have the ability to conduct surveillance abroad in accordance
with Executive Order 12333. We respectfully disagree.
Surveillance conducted under Executive Order 12333 in a
manner that does not implicate FISA or the Protect America
Act is not always as effective, efficient, or safe for our
intelligence professionals as acquisitions conducted under
the Protect America Act. And, in any event, surveillance
under the Protect America Act served as an essential adjunct
to our other intelligence tools. This is particularly true in
light of the changes since 1978 in the manner in which
communications are transmitted. As a result of these
changes, the Government often has been required to obtain
a FISA Court order prior to surveillance of foreign
terrorists and other national security threats located
outside the Untied States. This hampered our intelligence
collection targeting these individuals overseas in a way
that Congress never intended, and it is what led to the
dangerous intelligence gaps last summer. Congress
addressed this issue temporarily by passing the Protect
America Act but long-term FISA reform is critical to the
national security.
We have provided Congress with examples in which
difficulties with collections under the Executive Order
resulted in the Intelligence Community missing crucial
information. For instance, one of the September 11th
hijackers communicated with a known overseas terrorist
facility while he was living in the Untied States. Because
that collection was conducted under Executive Order 12333,
the Intelligence Community could not identify the domestic
end of the communication prior to September 11, 2001, when it
could have stopped that attack. The failure to collect such
communications was one of the central criticisms of the
Congressional Joint Inquiry that looked into intelligence
failures associated with the attacks of September 11. The
bipartisan bill passed by the Senate would address such flaws
in our capabilities that existed before the enactment of the
Protect America Act and that are now resurfacing. We have
provided Congress with additional and detailed examples of
how the Protect America Act temporarily fixed this problem
and have demonstrated the operational need to provide a long-
term legislative foundation for these authorities by passing
the bipartisan Senate bill.
In your letter, you also posit that our intelligence
capabilities have not been weakened, because the Government
can employ the outdated provisions of FISA as they existed
before the Protect America Act. We respectfully disagree. It
was that very framework that created dangerous intelligence
gaps in the past and that led Congress to pass the Protect
America Act last summer.
As we have explained in letters, briefings and hearings,
FISA's requirements, unlike those of the Protect America Act
and the bipartisan Senate bill, impair our ability to collect
information on foreign intelligence targets located overseas.
Most importantly, FISA was designed to govern foreign
intelligence surveillance of persons in the United States and
therefore requires a showing of ``probable cause'' before
such surveillance can begin. This standard makes sense in the
context of targeting persons in the United States for
surveillance, where the Fourth Amendment itself often
requires probable cause and where the civil liberties of
Americans are most implicated. But it makes no sense to
require a showing of probable cause for surveillance of
overseas foreign targets who are not entitled to the Fourth
Amendment protections guaranteed by our Constitution. Put
simply, imposing this requirement in the context of
surveillance of foreign targets located overseas results in
the loss of potentially vital intelligence by, for example,
delaying intelligence collection and thereby losing some
intelligence forever. In addition, the requirement to make
such a showing requires us to divert our linguists and
analysts covering al-Qa'ida and other foreign threats from
their core role--protecting the Nation--to the task of
providing detailed facts for FISA Court applications related
to surveillance of such foreign targets. Our intelligence
professionals need to be able to obtain foreign intelligence
from foreign targets with speed and agility. If we revert to
a legal framework in which the Intelligence Community
needs to make probable cause showings for foreign
terrorists and other national security threats located
overseas, we are certain to experience more intelligence
gaps and miss collecting information.
You imply that the emergency authorization process under
FISA is an adequate substitute for the legislative
authorities that have lapsed. This assertion reflects a basic
misunderstanding about FISA's emergency authorization
provisions. Specifically, you assert that the National
Security Agency (NSA) or the Federal Bureau of Investigation
(FBI) ``may begin surveillance immediately'' in an emergency
situation. FISA requires far more, and it would be illegal to
proceed as you suggest. Before surveillance begins the
Attorney General must determine that there is probable cause
that the target of the surveillance is a foreign power or an
agent of a foreign power and that FISA's other requirements
are met. As explained above, the process of compiling the
facts necessary for such a determination and preparing
applications for emergency authorizations takes time and
results in delays. Again, it makes no sense to impose this
requirement in the context of foreign intelligence
surveillance of targets located overseas. Because of the
hurdles under FISA's emergency authorization provisions and
the requirement to go to the FISA Court within 72 hours, our
resource constraints limit our use of emergency
authorizations to certain high-priority circumstances and
cannot simply be employed for every foreign intelligence
target.
It is also inaccurate to state that because Congress has
amended FISA several times, there is no need to modernize
FISA. This statement runs counter to the very basis for
Congress's passage last August of the Protect America Act. It
was not until the passage of this Act that Congress amended
those provisions of FISA that had become outdated due to the
communications revolution we have experienced sine 1978. As
we explained, those outdated provisions resulted in dangerous
intelligence gaps by causing constitutional protections to be
extended to foreign terrorists overseas. It is critical that
Congress enact long-term FISA modernization to ensure that
the Intelligence Community can collect effectively the
foreign intelligence information it needs to protect the
Nation. The bill passed by the Senate would achieve this
goal, while safeguarding the privacy interests of Americans.
Liability protection
Your assertion that the failure to provide liability
protection for those private-sector firms that helped defend
the Nation after the September 11 attacks does not affect our
intelligence collection capability is inaccurate
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and contrary to the experience of intelligence professionals
and to the conclusions the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence reached after careful study of the matter. It
also ignores that providing liability protection to those
companies sued for answering their country's call for
assistance in the aftermath of September 11 is simply the
right thing to do. Through briefings and documents, we have
provided the members of your committee with access to thei
nformation that shows that immunity is the fair and just
result.
Private party assistance is necessary and critical to
ensuring that the Intelligence Community can collect the
information needed to protect our country from attack. In its
report on S. 2248, the Intelligence Committee stated that
``the intelligence community cannot obtain the intelligence
it needs without assistance'' from electronic communication
service providers. The Committee also concluded that
``without retroactive immunity, the private sector might be
unwilling to cooperate with lawful Government requests in the
future without unnecessary court involvement and protracted
litigation. The possible recution in intelligence that might
result from this delay is simply unacceptable for the safety
of our Nation.'' Senior intelligence officials also have
testified regarding the importance of providing liability
protection to such companies for this very reason.
Even prior to the expiration of the Protest America Act, we
expereinced significant difficulties in working with the
private sector because of the continued failure to provide
liability protection for such companies. These difficultures
have only grown since expiration of the Act without passage
of the bipartisan Senate bill, which would provide fair and
just liability protection. Exposing the private sector to the
continued risk of billion-dollar class action suites for
assisting in efforts to defend the country understandably
makes the private sector much more reluctant to cooperate.
Without their cooperation, our efforts to protect the country
cannot succeed.
Pending legislation
Finally, as you note, the House passed a bill in November
to amend FiSA, but we immediately made clear that the bill is
unworkable and unaceptable. Over three months ago, the
Administration issued a Statement of Administration Policy
(SAP) that stated that the House bill ``falls far short of
providing the Intelligence Community with the tools it needs
to collect effecively the foreign intelligence information
vital for the security of the Nation'' and that ``the
Director of National Intelligence and the President's other
senior advises would recommend that the President veto the
bill.'' We adhere to that view today.
The House bill has several grave deficiencies. First,
although numerous senior intelligence officials have
testified regarding the improtance of affording liability
protection for companies that assisted the Government in the
aftermath of September 11, the House bill does not address
the critical issue of liability protection. Second, the House
bill contains certains provisions and serious technical flaws
that would fatally undermine our ability to collect
effectively the intelligence needed to protect the Nation. In
contrast, the Senate bill deals with the issue of liability
protection in a way that is fair and that protects the
national security. In addition, the Senate bill is carefully
drafted and has been amended toa void technical flaws similar
to the ones in the House bill. We note that the privacy
protections for Americans in the Senate bill exceed the
protections contained in both the Protect America Act and the
House bill.
The Department of Justice and the Intelligence Community
are taking the steps we can to try to keep the country safe
during this current period of uncertainty. These measures are
remedial at best, however, and do not provide the tools our
intelligence professionals need to protect the Nation or the
certainty needed by our intelligence professionals and our
private partners. The Senate passed a strong and balanced
bill by an overwhelming and bipartisan margin. That bill
would modernize FISA, ensure the future cooperation of the
private sector, and guard the civil liberties we value. We
hope that you will support giving your fellow members the
chance to vote on this bill.
Sincerely,
Michael B. Mukasey,
Attorney General.
J.M. McConnell,
Director of National Intelligence.
Mr. DENT. I think that really says it all. Everybody agrees, both
Republican and Democrat alike agree that the intelligence product is
being degraded. This really isn't a partisan issue. It should not even
be an ideological issue. This is simply an issue of common sense, doing
what is right for the American people, putting their interests ahead of
the special interests.
With that, I would be happy to yield back to the gentleman from
Texas, because I know there are others who would like to participate in
this colloquy.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. I appreciate the gentleman's comments. Yet when
it comes to national security, it should be bipartisan. We are
Americans first, before we are Republican or Democrat, yet there is a
special interest driving this agenda, as the gentleman mentioned. The
trial lawyers have filed a lawsuit in San Francisco against the
telecommunication companies, and I would like for the gentleman from
Pennsylvania maybe to expand a little bit on that.
I think most Americans don't quite understand how trial lawyers could
drive the agenda with the Democratic leadership such that they will be
placing the American people at grave risk and jeopardizing the safety
of Americans.
Mr. DENT. What I would respond is that the telecommunication
companies at the request of their government were asked to cooperate
and help us pursue terrorists. Obviously they have much of the
infrastructure that we need to pursue these terrorists.
I would have to put this whole issue under the category of ``no good
deed goes unpunished,'' where people who are acting in good faith to
help their government are now being sued for their efforts, again to
protect the most litigious elements of our society.
Because of that, because of the failure to provide a retroactive
immunity as contained in the Protect America Act, when we do not
provide that retroactive immunity, we know that these
telecommunications can no longer be good partners. Even though they
want to be helpful, they can't be. They have to protect themselves from
lawsuits. They have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to
protect themselves and their organizations. I think that is really what
is driving us.
I would yield back to you, because you have been a distinguished
member of the bar, you are a former U.S. Attorney, so you understand
these issues probably better than just about anybody in this building.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. I think we should be thanking these companies
for their patriotic service in a time of war, not slapping lawsuits on
them or putting the trial lawyers' interests above the warnings of the
Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General. Not just
the U.S. Attorney General, but 25 State Attorneys General have signed a
letter calling upon this Congress to act and pass the Protect America
Act and make it permanent. So I would put more stock in the top law
enforcement leaders in 25 of our States and the U.S. Attorney General
over the special interests.
Mr. DENT. If the gentleman would yield briefly on that point, in fact
my own Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Tom
Corbett, came down to Washington to meet me and expressly asked me to
support the Protect America Act. He too, like you, was a U.S. Attorney,
and he was emphatic in his support for this legislation, and seemed a
bit incredulous that Congress would not provide these necessary tools
to our law enforcement and intelligence officials.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. With that, I would like to yield to the
gentlewoman from Tennessee (Mrs. Blackburn) who sits on the Energy and
Commerce Committee, which has jurisdiction and deals with a lot of the
issues regarding telecommunications companies.
Mrs. BLACKBURN. I thank the gentleman from Texas for his leadership
on this issue, as well as the leadership that has come from the
gentlewoman from New Mexico and also the gentleman from Pennsylvania.
It is an issue that does need to be addressed. I would remind our
constituents who are watching that we are talking about the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act, FISA. That is what it stands for.
As the gentlewoman from New Mexico said, the changes in technology
may mean that someone in the Horn of Africa who is calling in to a
Middle Eastern country, their call ends up being routed through this
country. What we are talking about is foreign intelligence and talking
about getting information, gathering that intelligence that will keep
Americans safe. As the gentleman from Pennsylvania said, our
constituents are wanting to know, are we in danger? Are we in danger?
Where is the next threat? Are you making certain that in our
communities, in our homes, in our neighborhoods, in our schools, that
we are going to be safe?
We were just discussing a bit about the trial bar and their part in
this issue, if you will. In mid-March I noticed an editorial in
Investors Business
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Daily and it was titled ``FISA Fix For Lawyers.'' Not my words,
Investors Business Daily from a mid-March issue, ``FISA Fix For
Lawyers.''
Mr. Speaker, that kind of peaked my curiosity, so I read a bit about
it. Basically what it goes on to say is that pretty much this bill
could be considered an earmark for the trial bar.
Well, I did a little bit of investigating on that issue, once I read
that article, Mr. Speaker, and it seems that $72,440,904 had been given
to the Democrats by the trial bar this cycle so far. That was through
mid-March. So we will see what else happens with that figure.
But it appears, as we have just discussed the lawsuits that are filed
with the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco, that that may have a little
bit to do, Mr. Speaker, with why Investors Business Daily would write
an article and look at FISA as a fix for lawyers. Certainly something
we do not want to do is have the integrity and the security of every
single community in this great land of ours compromised in any way,
shape or form because of that.
Now, the gentleman from Texas mentioned that 45 days has passed since
the Protect America Act expired, and that does cause some question from
our constituents. As the gentleman from Pennsylvania mentioned,
Attorneys General from 25 different States support the bipartisan
Protect America Act, and independent intelligence reports support this.
Mr. Speaker, I think there is indeed a reason. It is because we all
know that protecting this Nation and our Nation's interests should rise
above partisan debate on this floor. Of course, the bill that was
brought to this floor before we departed for our Easter recess was a
bill that the leadership knew was not going to go anywhere, but they
felt like they had to do something.
Mrs. Wilson mentioned that intelligence is dynamic. I think that is
an important part of the debate that we have before us as we talk about
FISA. It is indeed dynamic, because it doesn't stay the same. The
individuals who are seeking to do us harm do not stay in the same
places, nor are their camps nor are their cells stationary or stagnant.
Because of that, we have to look at electronic surveillance as going
about this a different way.
The gentleman from Texas mentioned the situation that occurred last
year with three American soldiers that were kidnapped in Iraq and the
wrangling that had to go on to get through the courts, as he said, to
get ``lawyered up,'' to get in there and to get a warrant. By that
time, 9 hours had passed, and by that time we had one individual who
was dead and we still have two who are missing as of this point in
time.
So, looking at 21st century technology, understanding how that
technology works on a global basis, and understanding that if we are to
stay ahead of the game on this, Mr. Speaker, it is imperative, it is
imperative, that we realize that our enemies are using satellite
phones. They are not using rotary phones. They are using text messages.
They are not sending telegrams.
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They are moving constantly; they are not in the same place. And it is
imperative that we adjust our laws so that we have the ability to stay
ahead of them, and ahead of their desire to do harm to us, our
constituents, and our great Nation.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. I thank the gentlelady. And I couldn't agree
more that real-time intelligence is the best weapon we have. We can get
the intelligence; but if it is not in real-time, it endangers our
ability to protect the American people, as the gentlelady pointed out
with the three American soldiers from the 10th Mountain Division who,
unfortunately, one now is no longer alive and two are missing.
But I think it is important to give this an historical context and
maybe take you back to a gentleman named Ramsey Yusef who came into the
United States in 1992. He was detained; but because there wasn't enough
detention space at the time, they let him go. And, from there, he
conspired with the first al Qaeda cell in New York to take down the
Twin Towers. And the idea of the plot was that one tower would fall,
toppling over the other, and bring down the symbol of the economic
superpower. They got a Ryder van, they loaded it up with explosives,
went into the underground parking garage, and blew it up. Fortunately,
the Towers survived that day. Although several people were killed, they
didn't achieve that goal. That day would come later.
Ramsey Yusef escaped afterwards, went to Islamabad where he was in
Pakistan, the Philippines. Then he hooked up with his uncle Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed. It is all in the family. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, we
would find out, would be the mastermind of September 11th. When they
talked about in the mid-1990s flying airplanes into buildings, wouldn't
it have been good to have that real-time intelligence? They talked
about that. They talked about how they could take down the United
States of America. And when Ramsey Yusef was finally arrested, he was
arrested in a hotel room in Islamabad, they found something very eery.
And I have worked with the FBI agents who arrested him, and it always
left a very chilling sort of view in my mind, and that was, they found
about a dozen baby dolls and these baby dolls were stuffed with
chemical explosives. Mr. Yusef gives you great insight into the mind of
the terrorists: Simple, brilliant, but evil genius. The same evil
geniuses that perpetrated 9/11. He was planning to take those baby
dolls on airplanes and blow them up. Of course, with the London
arrests, later we would find they were back to their same game of using
chemical explosives to blow up airplanes. Fortunately, our intelligence
stopped that plot against the United States.
But we all know what happened on September 11th. We also know there
was a secret meeting that took place overseas, and that the CIA was
possibly aware of two of these people entering our country. And at that
time, the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing all the
time because the criminal division couldn't talk to the foreign
counterintelligence division in the FBI. And I will never forget a
quote from an FBI agent, because his words prior to 9/11 about his
frustration apply the situation that I find and I think we find
ourselves here in the House.
He wrote to FBI Headquarters, which was a gutsy move for a line FBI
agent, and he said, ``Someday, someone will die, and the public will
not understand why we were not more effective at throwing every
resource we had at certain problems, especially since the biggest
threat to us now, Osama bin Laden, is getting the most protection.''
We are not throwing every resource that we can now at this problem.
We are turning a blind eye to this problem. And if American blood is
spilled while our watch is down, while we have allowed this Act to
expire, that blood will be on the heads of Members of Congress who did
not allow this to go to the floor for a vote. And, yes, the foreign
terrorists now are getting protection. They are getting constitutional
protection that the FISA statute never intended for them to get in the
first place.
With that, I would like to yield to the gentlelady from New Mexico
who is on the Intelligence Committee, Ms. Heather Wilson.
Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. I thank my colleague from Texas.
One of the things that I think is important for people to understand
is the importance of intelligence in keeping this country safe. In any
war, I think intelligence is underestimated; and the reason is that we
see the old newspaper headlines of the victory of the Navy at Midway,
but you don't learn until years after that it was the breaking of the
Japanese code that allowed our ships to be in the right place in the
first place. We see the tremendous success of the Battle of Normandy,
but we never knew until years later when it was finally declassified
that we had broken the German code.
So intelligence is often underrated. But in the war on terror, trying
to prevent the next terrorist attack, intelligence is even more
important than it ever was in the Cold War.
I served in the Air Force during the Cold War, and the great thing
about the Soviets was that they were certainly easy to find. They were
easy to find, or as the military would say, they would have been hard
to fix, easy to find. They had the same exercises at the same time of
year using the same barracks and the same rail lines and
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the same radio frequencies. We knew where they were. They would have
been extremely difficult to defeat had they ever attacked the West, but
we knew where they were.
When we are fighting against terrorism, the problem is completely
reversed. If we can find them, we can stop them. The difficult part is
finding them. It is more like a Where's Waldo problem, you know, the
cartoon books where you get all of these pictures and you are trying to
find the little guy hidden in among all the rest of the clutter.
Terrorists generally use commercial communications. They have no
territory. They are hiding in the civil population, hiding in plain
sight as it were. So, the intelligence problem is the most important
and most difficult problem.
All of us remember where we were the morning of 9/11. We remember who
we were with, what we were wearing, who we called first, what we had
for breakfast. But very few Americans remember where they were the day
the British Government arrested 16 people who were within 48 hours of
walking onto airliners at Heathrow and blowing them up over the
Atlantic. If they had succeeded, more people would have died that day
than died the morning of 9/11; but you don't remember it because it
didn't happen, and it didn't happen because British, American, and
Pakistani intelligence were able to uncover the plot and arrest those
who were going to carry it out before they had an opportunity to.
Good intelligence allows us to prevent another terrorist attack, and
electronic surveillance is one of our strongest intelligence tools. The
Protect America Act just allowed Americans to listen to foreigners in
foreign countries without a warrant. If we don't have that authority,
it is sometimes impossible to get to the standard required to get a
warrant. It is almost a waste of time. It is an incredible frustration
for our people who are working in intelligence.
I mean, you think about this. If you are going to get a warrant on
somebody who is a narcotics trafficker in Chicago, you can send the FBI
out to talk to their neighbors; you can go to their place that they are
working; you can talk to their landlady. You can develop probable cause
for a warrant. But if you think you have got somebody on the Horn of
Africa who is affiliated with al Qaeda, you can't send the FBI to talk
to their neighbors. Sometimes you can't reach that standard of probable
cause. So, intelligence doesn't get collected against people who are
foreigners in foreign countries who have no rights at all under the
Constitution of the United States, and the people who are hurt by that
are the American citizens we are failing to protect.
The majority of this House wants to pass a bipartisan bill that has
already cleared the Senate that would make the provisions of the
Protect America Act permanent, and the Democratic leadership of this
House is blocking consideration of that bill, to the detriment of the
people of this country.
I yield back to the gentleman from Texas.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. I thank the gentlelady for her eloquence on this
issue. And I think it is worth repeating again that we are talking
about foreign targets in foreign countries overseas. I think the
American people want us to be listening to what al Qaeda has to say. In
fact, I think they expect that, and I think they would be shocked if
they learned that our capabilities were put in jeopardy because of
partisan politics and special interests. It is irresponsible. And, as
the gentleman from Pennsylvania has often said, it is a dereliction of
our duties here in the House to protect and defend the American people
from enemies overseas.
The gentlelady talked about the war with the Soviets. In some ways it
was a more predictable enemy, and the concept of mutually assured
destruction applied to the Soviets because they valued their own life.
The concept of mutually assured destruction does not apply to the
Islamic jihadists, because they won't think twice about blowing
themselves up if it means they can take other lives, particularly
American lives. They won't think twice about flying airplanes into
buildings and killing almost 3,000 people, including themselves,
because, in their extreme fanatical view, that means the rewards in
heaven are greater. That is the mindset of the enemy that we are
working with.
Satellite imagery was very important in the Cold War. But in this
war, this war on terror, intelligence is the best weapon that we have.
And if that is taken away from the intelligence community, as the
Democratic leadership is trying to do, if they take that capability
away, as they did when they allowed the Protect America Act to expire,
they are tying the hands of our intelligence community to better
protect the United States of America. And I believe that is
treasonness.
With that, I yield to the gentleman from Pennsylvania.
Mr. DENT. I want to thank both of you for your eloquence on this
critical issue. And with all these references to 9/11, I really believe
it is important that we take seriously what this Congress did after 9/
11. It created a commission, the 9/11 Commission, to make
recommendations about how we can improve upon our Nation's homeland
security and our national security. They made many recommendations; we
are familiar with many. And, indeed, when the 110th Congress was first
organized a little over 1 year ago, we were told by the new leadership
under Speaker Pelosi that fulfilling those 9/11 Commission
recommendations was a top priority. As it should be. And it is time
that we equate those words with action. As you and I have both said,
failure to do that is a dereliction of duty.
I believe that we have it within our means now to do what that 9/11
Commission wanted us to do, and I believe passing the Protect America
Act is entirely consistent and compatible with what those folks who
wrote the 9/11 Commission want us to do. And I believe that, again,
failure to pass the Protect America Act really contravenes and
contradicts what the 9/11 Commission stands for.
We also talked about this issue of liability and who is getting
protected. One thing I guess I find particularly appalling is that,
because of this approach to homeland security and national security to
intelligence, many of our intelligence officials and officers have been
forced to buy personal liability insurance to protect themselves from
lawsuits from us, from Congress, from others who may choose to sue
them. The phone companies are getting sued. Why not sue the
intelligence officials? So what is happening is they are worried about
being sued, and that is why they have had to find this type of
insurance.
Mr. McCaul made a very interesting observation. He read an
interesting quote a few minutes ago by that FBI agent, and I would like
to put that quote into some context. In fact, at the time of the
PATRIOT Act reauthorization a little over 2 years ago, there was an
article written in the Wall Street Journal by a woman named Debra
Burlingame. Who is Debra Burlingame? I guess she is best known because
of her brother, Chic Burlingame, who was the pilot of one of the planes
that crashed that day on 9/11, 2001 into the Pentagon. She had written
this in the Wall Street Journal on January 30, 2006: Critics contend
that the PATRIOT Act was rushed into law in a moment of panic. And
there is relevant to our PAA here. The truth is, the policies and
guidelines it corrected had a long troubled history, and everybody who
had to deal with them knew it. The wall was a torturous set of rules
promulgated by the Justice Department lawyers in 1995 and imagined into
law by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court, or the FISA
Court, conceived as an added protection for civil liberties provisions
already built into the statute that was the wall and its real world
ramifications that hardened the failure to share culture between
agencies, allowing early information about 9/11 hijackers Khalid al-
Midhar and Nawaf al Hashmi to fall through the cracks. More perversely,
even after the significance of these terrorists and their presence in
the country was known by the FBI's intelligence division, the wall
prevented it from talking to its own criminal division in order to hunt
them down.
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In other words, the FBI criminal division and the FBI intelligence
division couldn't communicate because of what was going on pre-9/11.
``Furthermore,'' she writes, ``it was the impenetrable FISA
guidelines and
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fear of provoking the FISA court's wrath if they were transgressed that
discouraged risk-averse FBI supervisors from applying for a FISA search
warrant in the Zacarias Moussaoui case.'' And we all remember him.
``The search, finally conducted on the afternoon of 9/11, produced
names and phone numbers of people in the thick of the 9/11 plot, so
many fertile clues that investigators believe that at least one
airplane, if not all four, could have been saved.''
That is what Debra Burlingame wrote.
Further on in that article where Mr. McCaul began, and this is the
woman whose brother was the pilot who crashed into the Pentagon on 9/
11, she concludes by saying: ``Three weeks before 9/11, an FBI agent
with the bin Laden case squad in New York learned that al-Mihdhar and
al-Hazmi were in this country. He pleaded with the national security
gatekeepers in Washington to launch a nationwide manhunt and was
summarily told to stand down. When the FISA Court of Review tore down
the wall in 2002, it included in its ruling the agent's August 29,
2001, e-mail to FBI headquarters,'' and I am going to restate what you
just stated a few moments ago. The quote was from this FBI agent:
``Whatever has happened to this--someday someone will die--and wall or
not--the public will not understand why we were not more effective in
throwing every resource we had at certain problems. Let's hope that the
National Security Law Unit will stand behind their decisions then,
especially since the biggest threat to us now, bin Laden, is getting
the most protection.''
Not my words, and how can anybody not be moved by this? How can
anybody somehow think that our own FBI is a greater threat to the
American people than is al Qaeda or Osama bin Laden?
Mr. McCaul, you are an attorney. You understand this issue well. We
want to protect everyone's civil liberties, and at the same time we
have legitimate security threats we must deal with.
Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. I think my colleague from Pennsylvania
raises a good point. What are the protections for America's civil
liberties, and there has been a lot of misinformation out there about
the protections in the Protect America Act for American civil
liberties. In fact, in the Senate bill that we would like to have a
vote on here in the House, the civil liberties protections for
Americans are more than exist under current law, under the current FISA
law.
What are those protections? First, you have to have a warrant to
target anyone in the United States, American or foreigner. So you must
have a warrant if someone is reasonably believed to be in the United
States.
It is a felony to do what some have called reverse targeting. In
other words, you think somebody may be affiliated with a terrorist
group. They are in the United States and they have a brother in
Lebanon. So gee, let's wiretap their brother in Lebanon and maybe we
can pick up some of their conversations back to the guy in the United
States. That is a felony. You can't do that. You have to have a warrant
if your target is reasonably believed to be in the United States, and
you cannot do reverse targeting.
It also extends the protection of the Constitution to Americans
traveling overseas. This is something that doesn't exist in current
law. If I am an American stationed overseas, which I was in a past
life, and I in some way bump into American intelligence collection
overseas, their procedures in regulations is to ``minimize'' or
``screen out'' that information, to destroy information that is of no
intelligence value. But the act that has now passed the Senate actually
goes further than that. If you are an American overseas, the American
government would also have to get a warrant in order to target your
communications.
These provisions apply irrespective of the communications technology
used. So to collect foreign intelligence over the air on a wire, it
doesn't matter. All that matters is whether somebody is reasonably
believed to be in the United States or is an American citizen. If they
are, you have to go to court and get a warrant. If you do not, if they
are a foreigner in a foreign country, we do not extend the protections
of the Constitution to them.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. The gentlelady is correct. The Constitution
applies to persons in the United States. The Constitution doesn't apply
to foreign terrorists in a foreign country. I think that is the central
heart of this debate that we are having here tonight.
As the gentleman from Pennsylvania pointed out, Mr. Moussaoui
retained information on his computer that could have helped prevent
this from happening. He is a person in the United States; and as such,
properly the FBI and the Department of Justice went through the FISA
court. The initial FISA application was turned down by the Office of
Intelligence Policy Review. We lost critical time in processing that
application. My point being, the FISA court is very document intensive,
cumbersome and time-consuming.
We should not apply FISA court standards to foreign terrorists in a
foreign country when real-time intelligence can stop something like
this from happening here in the United States.
You know, when the wall was in place, one intelligence community was
aware of these two individuals in the U.S., yet the FBI was not made
aware and they could not track them down.
The FISA Court of Review issued an opinion about the wall when it
finally struck it down and said that effective counterintelligence, we
have learned, requires the whole-hearted cooperation of all of
government's personnel who can be brought to the task. A standard which
punishes such cooperation could well be thought dangerous to national
security. So a lack of coordination and cooperation is dangerous to
national security.
And if we can't work with the private sector, and in fact we cannot
obtain this intelligence without the private sector; and if we will
subject them to liability and to lawsuits for doing their American
patriotism, we indeed will lose the private sector as a partner.
Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. Would the gentleman yield?
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. I would be happy to yield to the gentlelady.
Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. Is it true that we depend on telephone
companies not only for their cooperation for foreign intelligence, but
also in the case of crimes like kidnappings here in the United States?
Do we depend on their cooperation there?
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. The gentlelady is correct. What is at grave risk
is not only in the war on terror capturing intelligence overseas, but
if the private sector would be subject to liability and lawsuits, and
they say to the government, ``I am not going to cooperate with you
anymore,'' they don't have to. Then we place at jeopardy domestic
investigations that could include child predators, organized crime, and
a whole myriad of criminal activity in the United States. So this is
setting a very dangerous precedent.
Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. If the gentleman would yield, you are an
attorney and have dealt with these things and I haven't. Is it true
that a district attorney can go in an emergency situation and say to
the telephone company, this is an emergency, we have a kidnapped child,
we think we know who did it, will you cooperate with us and we will
followup with the paperwork later? Can that happen?
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. The gentlelady is correct. Then you have real-
time information that is relevant to a case to stop a criminal act from
occurring.
What the Democrat leadership has done in this case is prevented us
from obtaining intelligence critical to the safety of the United States
overseas in a foreign country.
Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. Is it reasonable to expect that if these
telephone companies get sued for voluntary cooperation, that they will
just stop doing voluntary cooperation no matter what the issue is?
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. The grave risk is that they will not cooperate
on any investigation, whether it be overseas or domestically, because
there is no incentive for them to cooperate with the FBI here or with
our intelligence community abroad if we are going to subject them to
liability and to lawsuits.
If there is wrongdoing on the part of the government, that is one
issue. But
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when the telecommunication companies are told that they need to
cooperate in the interest of the national security, I don't think we
should be slapping them with a lawsuit, we should be thanking them for
protecting this Nation.
I want to go back to the gentleman's comments about the 9/11
Commission. After this occurred, we all were scrambling to do
everything within our power to prevent this from happening again. The
President met with his advisors, and the 9/11 Commission met. And they
made recommendations and they talked about connecting the dots. The
problem is that we cannot connect the dots, and we are not putting this
information together.
What is at risk here tonight, as every hour passes that the Protect
America Act has expired, is we cannot collect the dots to connect them.
I would like to draw on a quote, a letter from Attorney General
Muskasey and the Director of National Intelligence McConnell to
Chairman Reyes. He says, ``Our experience in the past few days since
the expiration of the act demonstrates that these concerns are neither
speculative nor theoretical. Allowing the act to expire without passing
the bipartisan Senate bill has had real and negative consequences for
our national security. Indeed, this has led directly to a degraded
intelligence capability.''
I don't know about you, but when I read that language from the
experts in the intelligence community and our top law enforcement
officer, it sends a chill up my spine. We need to pass this bill, and
we need to do it now.
Mr. DENT. Again, a powerful quote, the degradation and degrading of
our intelligence capacities, stated by a Republican Attorney General
and a Republican Director of National Intelligence, but also stated by
the Democratic chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, that the
intelligence product will be degraded as a result of our failure to
enact the Protect America Act.
I can't help but note, the gentleman from Texas having served in law
enforcement, many of the arguments I just heard you talking about in
your colloquy with Mrs. Wilson were also some of the arguments that I
heard at the time of the PATRIOT Act reauthorization.
Remember it was being said that somehow our library records were
going to be looked into. Several of the 9/11 terrorists made their
airplane reservations on public library computers, and they confirmed
those reservations on public library computers.
I am not aware that anybody has ever sought a library record under
the law. But I also remember, too, after meeting with some folks from
the Attorney General's Office, and this is not a classified issue, I
remember them telling me that a terrorist, when interrogated, they
asked: Why were you constantly on the New York Public Library
computers? His response was they clean their hard drives at the end of
the day. Interesting point.
Another issue we heard at the time of the PATRIOT Act had to do with
roving wiretaps, a tool I believe you, as a prosecutor, used over the
years, and that we use in drug cases against organized criminals. We
use that type of method. When we talk about using it for
counterterrorism purposes, it seems as if we were creating some new
structure. Do you want to address that.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. Reclaiming my time, this issue goes well beyond
what the gentleman is referring to. This issue goes to our capability
to intercept communications from foreign terrorists in foreign
countries. Again, I think the American people would like to know what
al Qaeda is saying when they conspire to perpetrate something like
this. They would like to know what Osama bin Laden is saying, and what
his lieutenants are saying.
I know my time is starting to run out.
Mr. DENT. Quickly, the bottom line is we should be listening to this
foreign-to-foreign communication of people who are not American
citizens who are suspected terrorists because you want to prevent what
happened on 9/11 of 2001. For some of us, it was quite personal.
You mentioned what happened in 1993. My cousin spent the whole day on
the top of that building, the South Tower, spent the entire day on the
roof after what exploded in the basement, the garage of that building.
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You know, he was there, also, on September 11, 2001. I remember that,
too. He was on the 91st floor of the north tower when the plane entered
the 93rd floor. Everybody above him was killed.
And for many of us it's personal. But if we have information,
actionable intelligence, I would certainly hope that our counter
terrorism officials, that our intelligence officials would do
everything in their power to prevent such terrible events like 9/11
from ever occurring.
And again, I just want to state one more time that enacting the
Protect America Act will help improve our intelligence capabilities,
will protect Americans, and it's time that we get the job done. We have
a bipartisan consensus to do it. Let's do it. The time for games is
over. It's time to get the job done.
I yield back to my friend.
Mr. McCAUL of Texas. I thank the gentleman.
Before we passed the Protect America Act, the Director of National
Intelligence came to us and he said, ``I'm losing two-thirds of the
intelligence out there.'' Well, now with the expiration of the Protect
America Act, we can only imagine going back to that scenario. We were
going dark in parts of the world. We were losing critical foreign
intelligence from our enemy to better protect this Nation from another
terrorist attack.
And to put to you, I think, one of the best quotes I've read, it
really puts you in the mindset of who is the enemy and what is the real
threat to the United States, I'd like to leave you tonight with the
following words. And this is in their words, not mine.
``The confrontation that we are calling for with the apostate regimes
does not know Socratic debates, Plutonic ideals, nor Aristotle's
diplomacy. But it does know the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of
assassination, bombing and destruction, and the diplomacy of the cannon
and the machine gun.
The Islamic governments have never and will never be established
through peaceful solutions and cooperate councils. They are
established, as they always have been, through pen and gun, by word and
bullet, and by tongue and teeth.''
The words that I just read to you are the words found in the preface
of the al Qaeda training manual. They are the words of the enemy. That
is what the enemy is telling us. We need to win in this war on terror
and stop this enemy and protect the United States from this ever
happening on American soil again. It is time to pass a bipartisan
Senate bill.
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