[Congressional Record Volume 153, Number 113 (Monday, July 16, 2007)]
[House]
[Pages H7835-H7841]
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                                AMNESTY

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 18, 2007, the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey) is 
recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader.
  Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, I come to the well this evening to talk 
about a very, very important subject that we just went through some 
very contentious debate on, and my colleagues are familiar with that, 
and it is the immigration issue. The American people are familiar with 
it. And the people in the great State of Georgia, the 11th 
Congressional District that I serve, are familiar with it as well.
  And the big concern was to not do something in a, quote, 
``comprehensive way'' that resulted in granting amnesty to up to 12 
million people, possibly more than that, that have over the last 20 
years, since 1986, the last time we granted amnesty to 3 million at 
that time, we have not secured our borders and because of porous 
borders,

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it is estimated that something approaching 400,000 a year, and some are 
turned back, obviously, but approximately 400,000 get through. I am 
talking about illegal immigrants now. And when you do the math over 20 
years, that is how we got to the 12 million that are here today. So 
that bill was all about we need to have the triggers. I am very proud 
of my Senators, our senior Senator Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson. 
Johnny Isakson who obviously had the trigger so you couldn't do any of 
this stuff even if you didn't call it amnesty, you had to secure the 
borders first.
  In the final analysis, because of their great concern, our Senators 
from Georgia said ``no'' to the bill that was being cooked up on the 
Senate side and could not be amended to their satisfaction. I am proud 
of them for that.
  But there is another problem, Mr. Speaker and my colleagues, 
something that maybe the American people are not sufficiently aware of, 
and that is the fact that so many people come into this country every 
year on a program called the visa waiver program. I want to repeat that 
because I want each and every one of you to remember this, the visa 
waiver program. It too was started back in the mid-1980s, about the 
time of the amnesty bill we were talking about. What it does is this: 
it allows citizens from 27 countries, mostly Western European, and it 
didn't start as 27, but basically the initial countries were the United 
Kingdom, Germany, France, some of the countries that are really our 
best friends and best allies, there is no denying that. Without 
question, over the history of our great country, we have had wonderful 
friendships in Western Europe.
  So the thinking back in 1986 was we need to not spend our time on 
worrying about doing background checks and our consulates, and those 
are the offices of our Department of State that exist in all of the 
other countries. They are part of our embassies. There are more 
consulates in a country than embassies. My colleagues know what I am 
talking about, and hopefully folks listening understand that you have 
State Department employees in all of these countries so when people 
come and apply for a visa and they want to come visit the United States 
or come over here to study, or get permanent legal resident, a so-
called green card, they have to go through our consulates. They have to 
fill out forms and pay an application fee. They are all checked to a 
fare-thee-well, as the old Georgia expression goes, but it was decided 
in 1986, you know, for the countries where these are our friends, they 
look like us and in some instances they speak our own language, we 
don't need to worry about them, and so let's just let them come in 
without a visa. Therefore, the visa waiver program.
  Now it has been expanded to 27 countries and growing. So they just 
show a passport. Our customs agents at our ports of entry, airports 
mainly, simply look at the passport. If the passport is from one of the 
27 countries, they put a stamp on it and in the person comes.
  The thinking is this is good for relations with other countries and 
we want to be on a friendly level with them. And of course it promotes 
tourism. And certainly folks involved in the travel industry, and maybe 
it is businessmen coming over for a 2-week or 2-month period of time. 
Actually, under the visa waiver program, the maximum amount of time 
that can be spent here under that program is 90 days.
  In the year 2005, Mr. Speaker, 15 million people came to the United 
States under the visa waiver program. At first it was just a temporary 
program in 1986, and then it was expanded to more countries. And 
finally it was made permanent in about the year 2000, this visa waiver 
program. But we began to realize maybe there was a little bit of 
security risk, and so we said, look, we want to make sure these 
passports that we are just looking at and stamping and letting folks 
come in from these so-called friendly countries, that these are 
legitimate passports, that these are not fraudulent documents.
  Those of my colleagues, and most of you are either parents or 
grandparents, and you have gone through those teenage years yourself 
and with your children and grandchildren, and you know it is pretty 
darn easy to get a fake driver's license. And of course my children, 
adult children now, never did that. They wouldn't do anything like 
that, Mr. Speaker. But some of their friends did, and they showed me 
how it was done. You can go on the Internet and just take your picture 
and paste it on. That is the kind of thing that is bad enough if it is 
a fake driver's license in this country, but when we are talking about 
a fake passport, and they are pretty easy to fraudulently prepare, that 
is where the danger arises.
  Some of the countries, the 27 countries that are participating with 
us in the visa waiver program, have reported that they have had 
literally hundreds of passports stolen, and we don't really keep a 
close record on that but we should. We should be very worried about 
that, as a matter of fact.
  So in 2000 we said, look, here is the way we prevent passport 
document fraud when people are coming into this country under the visa 
waiver program. It is a passport issued by Spain, France, Germany, 
Finland, Sweden, Australia, and I'm not going to name all 27 of the 
countries, but we want to say, look, we want a digital photograph that 
we can scan. We don't want some fake overlay laminated on a passport, 
and we also want to be able to machine read this document.
  So, therefore, all of you countries that are participating in this 
program, that is promoting business and tourism in exchange between 
countries, you are going to have to prepare your passport in that 
manner so we know that you have done a background check and we can do a 
background check. We look at that passport. We know we have a watch 
list, a terrorist watch list, a criminal felon watch list, so that we 
do not just let them come in that minute, 1\1/2\ minutes that a busy 
custom agent has at the Atlanta Hartsfield International Airport. They 
have to do this quickly. If you spend 10 minutes per passport, you are 
going to have some people outraged, and that is not acceptable. They 
have to be able to do that quickly.
  We knew this back in 2000, and keep in mind, my colleagues, I am 
talking about a year, a year and a half before 9/11 occurred. We said 
in the reauthorization of the visa waiver program and making it 
permanent, the countries had to have these passports based on 
biometrics, and we called that program US-VISIT. It has not been 
completed to this day. And after 9/11, of course, a huge wake-up call 
on many aspects of how we can do things better in regard to maybe we 
need some armed guards on the planes, and maybe we need to secure the 
cockpit door and maybe we should allow in certain circumstances the 
pilots, if they are trained properly, to carry a weapon, we have done a 
lot of these things to improve.

  And of course all these lines, and every Member of this body, every 
one of you, probably waited in line today for a good little while 
getting through security before you were allowed to go to the gate to 
board your plane, and hopefully the plane was on time. If you were 
delayed too long going through security, hopefully the plane was 
delayed.
  We continue to do these things, but yet this very important aspect, 
US-VISIT, to make sure, Mr. Speaker, those 15 million folks that come 
in for business or tourism or whatever, to promote goodwill with these 
other countries, and I am for that, but they are to stay 90 days. We 
don't know where they are or how to find them if they don't go back 
home in 90 days. And to think that even after 9/11, we still keep 
putting off that date certain these countries have to have and abide by 
US-VISIT and have to have the biometric passports and we have to have 
all of the equipment at our ports of entry so the custom agent can 
simply swipe that passport and it is fine, or a red light goes off.
  This is what I am here tonight to talk about, and hopefully you are 
aware of it. I think most of my colleagues are. But we need to be 
thinking about this. We need to be thinking about it in a bipartisan 
way. This is not one of those issues that we should be fighting about 
politically. We know that this is for the citizens of this country, 
whether they are Democrats or Republicans, whether they are young or 
old, whatever their occupation, their religion, ethnicity. This is for 
everybody. This is not for Phil Gingrey's district, the 11th 
Congressional District of northwest Georgia. This is for all of my 
colleagues' districts. That is why I am here tonight

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talking about such an important thing, and I hope we can get 
everybody's attention on this.
  Later on in the hour I am going to talk about a bill that I 
introduced in regard to the visa waiver program, talk a little bit 
about what is going on in the other body in regard to the 9/11 bill 
that we passed I think the first day we were voting on anything in this 
110th Congress, the so-called 6 for '06, to do those things that the 9/
11 families asked us to do.
  After all, they suffered then, are suffering now, and will suffer 
forever. We listened to them on both sides of the aisle, and we passed 
a bill. We did most of what they asked in the 109th Congress under 
different control, and now we have added a few things in the 110th 
Congress, and we are waiting on the other body. There are some 
provisions in their version in regard to this visa waiver program that 
gives me a little heartburn; we will talk about that as well.
  I am expecting that some of my colleagues will join me during this 
hour, Mr. Speaker, and certainly when they get to the floor after their 
busy meetings that they are attending right now, I am going to yield 
time to them to give a little different aspect to this visa waiver 
issue or some other issue of concern to them.
  I am a proud member, Mr. Speaker, of the Immigration Reform Caucus. 
In this 110th Congress, the Immigration Reform Caucus under the 
leadership of the gentleman from California (Mr. Bilbray), we have 
worked hard to make sure that the Immigration Reform Caucus is a 
bipartisan group of Members, and it is.

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  I'm not going to stand here and try to name names, but we have got 
great Members on both sides of the aisle under the leadership of 
Congressman Bilbray from California, and I think that's good. I think 
that's refreshing that Members know that this is not for politics. This 
is for policy, and this is for protection.
  I see that Mr. Bilbray is actually on the floor now, and I will look 
forward to hearing his perspective on the visa waiver program. And then 
we'll develop a colloquy during the next 40 minutes or so. At this 
time, it's my distinct privilege to welcome him to the floor and to 
this Special Order hour. I'm grateful to our leadership, the Republican 
leadership, for making this the minority party's Special Order hour for 
the evening and that Congressman Bilbray is going to share the time 
with me. So I yield to my friend from California.
  Mr. BILBRAY. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman from Georgia for 
yielding, and Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate you in holding the 
Chair tonight and thank you very much for the courtesy of allowing us 
to speak tonight. I appreciate the privilege.
  Mr. Speaker, one of the things that the American people have not only 
asked, they have demanded, is that the Federal Government live up to 
its responsibility of defending our neighborhoods from forces from afar 
that may be entering this country with harm in their hearts and weapons 
and viciousness in their hands. I think that one of the things that 
we've really recognized in the past is the review and the oversight of 
who we allow to come into this country is one of our big 
responsibilities.
  Let's face it, it doesn't take an act of Congress for a community to 
hire a teacher or hire police officers, but it takes an act of Congress 
and it takes the Federal Government to make sure that the people that 
are allowed into this country are people that are going to be friendly 
to us, to help us, to actually add to the quality and security of 
America rather than threaten it.
  The visa system has always been sort of the minimum we've done in the 
past, and the visa waiver actually is an extraordinary concept of 
saying we are so sure that these countries are so secure and so safe 
that we're willing to waive the traditional international policy of 
having people kind of report in and prove that they are who they are 
and we allow them into the country.
  And we've allowed this with many countries like Britain, my mother's 
home country, and Australia, and we've allowed it with many countries. 
But it's almost as if we've taken this concept that a little is good, a 
whole bunch must be great, where the political pressure is to expand 
this program to such a force that there's no counter-balance of saying, 
no, wait a minute, who's there really checking and keeping a tab on 
what is reasonable from a security point of view.
  And I think what's important tonight for us to say is tonight is a 
way for the Immigration Caucus to sort of push back and balance. And I 
don't mind people that are wanting to have this waiver expanded, but I 
do mind that when we do not balance the perception, that those who may 
for business reasons or for their own special reasons want to throw 
away the paperwork, throw away the procedure for security and say it'd 
just be easier to do without it, they can say that but then there 
should be those of us who are willing to stand up and say, yes, but 
it's there for a reason and that reason is very important, the 
protection of our families and our homes and our neighborhoods. And 
only the Federal Government can provide this protection.
  Remember, if we allow somebody with harm in their heart to enter this 
country, there is no defense once they're in this country from gaining 
access to those neighborhoods, those playgrounds, those schools, those 
hospitals that we take for granted are protected.
  Local government cannot check a visa once the United States Federal 
Government allows them into the country. A county sheriff cannot check 
a visa once we've allowed them through that port of entry at the 
airport or at that seaport.
  So it is incumbent on us that we're extraordinarily vigilant to make 
sure that only those that we are sure should be in this country are in 
this country, and it is extremely important that we only allow the 
waiver process in those extraordinary situations where we can look the 
American people in the eye and say we really believe this is a safe and 
prudent way of treating our immigration policy.
  I think people will say then, well, why is there debate here? And I 
think that the gentleman from Georgia understands, there's people that 
want for business reasons, for personal reasons, to have people coming, 
going from all kinds of different countries, and they have their 
personal reasons to do that. Some may be profit and some may be 
convenience, but those reasons and those pressures need to be counter-
balanced.
  And the Federal Government must be reminded again and again that 
there's not just one agenda here, convenience of people coming into the 
country. There's not one agenda here, people making money by tourists 
coming and going. There's not one agenda, just business wanting to be 
able to have their partners come and go as they want. There is the 
major agenda that needs to be introduced into the formula, and that is 
the defense of the communities.
  Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to make the point to the gentleman 
that the first slide that I wanted to show, and let me read this quote 
from the 9/11 Families for a Secure America. I can't tell you how many 
of the 9/11 families are a part of this group, but this is how they 
feel. This is a quote. ``If Islamic extremists commit another 9/11, it 
will not make any difference to the victims of that attack that the 
people responsible carried French passports rather than ones issued by 
Iran, Saudi Arabia or Lebanon.''
  This is when they endorsed the bill that I introduced, and we will 
talk about that a little bit later, but I wanted to yield back to the 
gentleman for his additional thoughts. But I thought it would be good 
at this point to interject this quote from the 9/11 Families for a 
Secure America.
  Mr. BILBRAY. I think the real key there, Mr. Speaker, is the fact 
that the outcome does matter when you talk about the security of our 
Nation, and we forget sometimes when we talk about the security of the 
Nation that we're talking about the security of our neighborhoods and 
our homes.
  I had the privilege of serving as mayor and chairman of San Diego 
County and mayor of a small county on the border, and I know and I 
think any mayor will tell you that those of us in local government just 
assume the Federal Government's going to do its part. The trouble is 
the mayor and the police chiefs and the county sheriffs end up having 
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do what is the Federal Government's responsibility and, that is, check 
these documents and make sure that the right type of people are coming 
into the country.
  Local government, the mayors, the city council members, the county 
supervisors, county commissioners, sheriffs, police chiefs, they have 
to live with the repercussions and the challenges once someone's here, 
but they don't get the chance to be able to review and approve this. 
And so that's why it's essential that the Federal Government, which is 
the only agency that can do this, the one line of defense that we have 
over inappropriate entry in this country, has to be strong and vigilant 
and effective.
  Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from California.
  Mr. Speaker, the next slide that I want my colleagues to focus in on 
now is really the kind of a passport that we are wanting, and that U.S. 
VISIT, and indeed the law in regard to the visa waiver program that was 
made permanent in 2000 requires them to have this type of passport 
because let me make one thing perfectly clear to my colleagues.
  The visa waiver program trusts the security of our Nation to the 
background check capabilities and the passport procedures of all these 
foreign governments, the 27 countries that I mentioned and expanding 
all the time.
  Basically, what we're saying, and if you will look at this next 
slide, on one side of the passport would be a digital photograph, 
again, one that is scannable. We have these iris scans, not just the 
old-fashioned finger prints, but everything in a digital way, including 
the photograph on the passport. And then I'm going to have to get a 
little closer to read this, but a machine readable passport has two 
lines of text, has letters, numbers and something called chevrons. 
Those are those greater than or less than, these little upside down Vs 
that you put, but it's a way of bringing a secure method to make sure 
people are not using fraudulent documents.
  I want to talk a little bit now, Mr. Speaker, about some of the 
things that have been happening lately. It's hard to believe that 9/11 
was almost 6 years ago. 2001, we're now 2007 and approaching September. 
It's almost unbelievable, but people tend to forget, and that's part of 
the problem.
  One of my colleagues, whenever he gives a 1 minute or a 5-minute 
speech or has an opportunity to speak from the well, he always says, 
and this is the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Wilson), as he 
concludes, and we will never forget 9/11. God bless him for doing that. 
Sometimes it gets a little trite, but Joe Wilson knows of what he 
speaks.
  But it's easy to forget, but nobody has forgotten about these 
doctors, doctors, medical doctors, health professionals that just 
within the last couple, 3 weeks in London and at the airport in 
Scotland, Glasgow, tried to blow up the terminal with the car bomb, 
laden with highly explosive material, and there was a warning in fact. 
Someone had said in some text messaging, beware of those who would cure 
you, meaning the doctors will kill you; those who cure you will kill 
you.
  Well, these doctors in the United Kingdom were citizens of that 
country. I mean, they had passports, British passports, and in fact, a 
couple of them had actually, Mr. Speaker, made an application to come 
to the United States, I think to come to a hospital in Philadelphia, 
Pennsylvania. They wanted to practice medicine here. Everybody does 
want to practice medicine in the United States because, despite the 
previous hour from the other side, we do have a great health care 
system. Certainly it needs some improvement, and we're going to work on 
that hopefully in a bipartisan way, but these terrorists, those who 
would cure you that would kill you, were trying, at least some of them, 
to come into this country.
  And they could have come in under this visa waiver program and simply 
showed a passport that did not, by the way, have a digital photo or any 
digital text or iris scanning. And we didn't have a U.S. VISIT machine 
that we could run that passport through that so that that would 
immediately come, go into a data bank so when the 90 days were up or 
the period of time that they planned to stay, that we could find them, 
ferret them out and have the ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, 
agents go after them.
  So this is not child's play that we're talking about here. This 
happened just within the last 3 weeks, and these were homegrown British 
terrorists that had ties to al Qaeda in Iraq.
  I don't doubt the United Kingdom was one of our closest allies. 
Indeed, they are. Tony Blair has been our best friend and Gordon Brown 
will be and has been one of our best friends, but this just goes to 
show that even our greatest friends can be vulnerable to these 
homegrown terrorists possessing legitimate citizenship documentation 
and authorized legal passports.
  So this is where we are, and this is what's going on this hour, and I 
will be happy to yield back to my good friend and colleague, the 
chairman, once again of our Immigration Reform Caucus for additional 
thoughts. I proudly, by the way, serve on his executive committee of 
the Immigration Reform Caucus, and I yield to my friend from 
California.
  Mr. BILBRAY. Thank you. I appreciate the gentleman from Georgia's 
kind words, and let me just say that in the words of the former 
Inspector General of Homeland Security, specifically said that we 
should be abolishing the waiver system, not expanding it. So, on a 
minimum, we've got to stop the expansion.
  I think that it just shows a lack of understanding of just how far 
the pressure's going to back off on our due diligence when it comes to 
border security by those people that don't see the big picture, and to 
think that at this time where we're talking about threats, especially 
what just happened in England, where somebody who they thought was a 
safe immigrant, literally drove a fire bomb into the front door of a 
terminal, if I remember right, and what will happen when we allow 
somebody to do that?
  Frankly, I haven't spoke a lot about this, but on 9/11, I was in the 
immigration commissioner's office the day the plane started crashing 
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  I was actually in the office, and we watched the second plane crash 
into the second tower. That commissioner said, can you imagine being 
the agents who let these guys into the country. Now, we didn't know who 
did this. We didn't know who was responsible. We had no idea.
  But the immigration commissioner had the foresight of saying, my God, 
somehow I know I am responsible, and you imagine being the agent who 
personally let these people in.
  I don't think we think about this, but tightening up and controlling 
the waiver process is going to be one of the things we have got to do 
so we don't look back and say, my God, we were warned, we knew this was 
coming, and why didn't we do more. Why weren't we there to stop this 
from happening?
  All I have got to say is that I was out of politics. I was just 
meeting with them about immigration issues, but I saw the anguish and 
the frustration in his eyes and his voice realizing that somehow he 
knew the immigration agency that he was in charge of somehow 
contributed to this disaster.
  The fact is, I hope all of us start looking at this as being what are 
we doing today to make sure that we are not faced off in saying, my 
God, why didn't I do more. Why didn't I push harder? Why wasn't I the 
bothersome one that told the administration, I know you are being 
pressured by these guys, but I am going to pressure you back? I am 
going to give some balance to the process here in Washington?
  I think that's all the American people have asked for, a little 
balance. Again, as the Inspector General said, now is not the time to 
expand this program. If the President and the administration honestly 
believes that this country is under a threat, that this country must do 
extraordinary things to defend our neighborhoods, then the minimum is 
not to expand this program.
  I think reasonable people should say the administration, rather than 
looking into expanding this program, should be looking to reduce it, at 
least temporarily, and ratcheting down and reducing the opportunities 
for people to come in here unreviewed. Because for every country, for 
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that we allow in this country that we have not done our due diligence, 
we are exposing the Nation to that threat, and we are exposing 
ourselves to a lifetime of regrets that we did not do the right thing 
by the American people.
  Mr. GINGREY. Colleagues, what Mr. Bilbray is talking about, of 
course, is almost unbelievable, but what he says is true. He knows of 
what he speaks.
  In December of this past year, just 8 months ago, the Department of 
Homeland Security said that they were going to temporarily, not 
dismantle, thank God, but temporarily suspend the US-Visit program. I 
am not sure why they made that decision, maybe too much work, they 
don't have enough money, I don't know. But we asked them to do it in 
2000, we asked them to do it again in 2001 with the PATRIOT Act. We 
asked them in 2002 with the Secure Border Act. We put deadlines on it.
  I guess it's kind of like the fence bill. I know my constituents in 
the 11th District of Georgia know all about that. They asked me, didn't 
you guys, Phil, weren't you part of a group that had an amendment in 
the 109th Congress where when you guys were in control, when the 
Republicans were in control, wasn't it your amendment that was adopted 
that called for 700 miles of fencing along the 2,100 mile southern 
border where we have got some severe problems, not just people coming, 
seeking jobs, but potential drug lords and gang members, and, yes, 
terrorists carrying maybe even a nuclear weapon in a suitcase or a 
briefcase?
  I said, yes, I was part of that. We did pass it. I am very proud of 
it. Then we came back and passed it again. They want to know why we 
have only got about 15 miles of the 700. It's hard to explain, and we 
need to have some conversations with the administration in regard to 
things that the Congress says need to be done, and we vote them into 
law, and appropriate money. Yet things either don't happen or happen 
far too slowly.
  To think, though, that they just decided we are going to suspend this 
US-Visit, and as Mr. Bilbray, the gentleman from California, just said, 
this is not the time to suspend US-Visit; this is the time to ramp it 
up, to make sure that we have a machine that reads these passports at 
every port of entry.
  Hey, if American Express can do it, it seems to me the United States 
of America can do it. American Express and Visa and MasterCard, they 
have been doing it a long time. They don't get any cash unless they 
know you are who you say you are.
  This is crazy that we haven't completed this. It's just outrageous, 
outrageous to suspend a program like that when we need it more than 
ever.
  I know my friend from California has a thought on that, because he 
just stood up. I look forward to your comments.
  Mr. BILBRAY. Just a couple of weeks ago, the Senate was shocked, the 
White House was shocked at what they saw was a groundswell from America 
against a proposal that America rightfully thought was amnesty. They 
wonder why is there so much animosity against Washington on the 
immigration issue.
  It's exactly because of things like the US-Visit system. The American 
people think that the political leaders of Washington just don't get it 
and aren't willing to do the heavy lifting. It has been how many years 
that since, is it 1996, that the US-Visit system was supposed to be 
implemented. It still hasn't been implemented. Now we have people at a 
point where they say let's just forget about it.
  This is much like the commitments and promises, much like building 
the fence that the American people have heard so many promises and seen 
their promises broken so often that they assume this town just does not 
care or, worse, has been enticed by whatever forces for whatever reason 
not to do the right thing.
  I think when it comes down to developing confidence on the 
immigration issue, the American people are saying, before you ask us to 
trust you one more time, we want you to prove to us that you deserve to 
be trusted.
  Go back to the things that you have been promising us for 20 years 
and do those, get your House in order and take care of it. Things like 
finish the visit system to where you know who has come into the country 
and who has gone out of the country. Without that, both, you don't know 
who stayed in the country.
  What's your excuse, Washington? Why are you doing all of these other 
things that everybody talks about? You can talk about health care. It 
doesn't take an act of Congress to hire a doctor. It does take an act 
of Congress to stop a terrorist from crossing the border.
  I want to say that it was very scary in February that the Senate was 
actually looking at expanding the visa waiver. Frankly, I was very 
proud of one move my Senators, Senator Feinstein, for standing up and 
saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, we are going a little faster. I want to thank 
her for that.
  It's important that we have bipartisan effort here. The American 
people are tired of both parties finding excuses and not doing the 
right thing. They want both parties working together to protect their 
neighborhoods. When a neighborhood gets blown up, it's Democrats, 
Republicans and independents whose lives are at stake.
  It doesn't draw political lines where the threat is.
  Frankly, the issue of being able to address these commonsense things 
like implementing the US-Visit system, to implement or reduce the 
impact of the waiver system is something that we need to work together. 
I want to publicly thank Senator Feinstein for standing up on that 
issue. I think that we need to push more on that.
  But this one right now is that if we can't get the visit system in, 
what are we doing expanding the visa waiver? That's an extraordinary, 
extraordinary challenge.
  Again, this is why the American people are saying, I don't understand 
it. How can you ask me to trust you with another law that could be 300 
or 1,000 pages when you haven't taken care of the promises you have 
made over the last 20 years?
  Mr. GINGREY. How does the saying go? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool 
me twice, shame on me. I think that's exactly the point the Congressman 
is making in regard to the American people.
  They are not happy about being fooled about border security and the 
nonbuilt fence. They are not happy about this either. They are not 
happy one bit about suspending this US-Visit program.
  I have the next slide, and I think my colleagues will recognize some 
of these infamous characters. I want to point them out to you, though, 
once again. Over here, I will point to him, this gentleman right here, 
is named Richard Reid, but he is better known as the shoe bomber, the 
shoe bomber.
  The shoe bomber flew from Paris with a passport, a citizen from a 
visa waiver country, got on a plane, had no intention, of course, with 
a visa waiver, he could stay in the United States for 90 days. He had 
no intention of getting to the United States. He just wanted to blow 
that plane to smithereens. Fortunately, we caught him, from a visa 
waiver program country.
  The guy next to him, that's Moussaoui, Zacarias Moussaoui. He is 
known as the 20th hijacker. He was from Morocco, a French citizen from 
Morocco, living in France. He flew from London to Chicago and then, as 
we all remember in the 9/11 report, in particular, this guy, this 
terrorist with a passport, a legal passport, then enrolled in flight 
school in Oklahoma City.
  Thank goodness that we had very attentive FBI agents who recognized 
that here was someone that was in this country under the visa waiver 
program who overstayed his visa. Well, not really a visa, but he 
overstayed the 90 days, and, fortunately, we caught him. He was the 
20th hijacker.
  To my near side are the photographs of the Fort Dix Six. These are 
the so-called pizza delivery guys who were going on the military base 
at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Many of my colleagues on both sides of the 
aisle that represent New Jersey understand the potential horror that 
these guys, these guys, these terrorists that were here with a passport 
from a visa waiver country were about to inflict on one of our major 
military installations.
  Well, what I want to talk about now is what I plan to do about this 
problem with the visa program, not to expand it. The gentleman from 
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there are Members in this 9/11 bill that we passed back in January, and 
it's about to go to conference, the Senate version being a little 
different than the House version, there were some Senators that wanted 
to expand the visa waiver program, not limit it to the 27, but to 
expand it far beyond that.
  As my colleague pointed out, his Senator from California, Senator 
Feinstein, said maybe we ought not to do that yet. Well, I do commend 
her. I join him in commending her for that.
  But I want to go a step further. What I want to do, and this is 
called for in my legislation, H.R. 1342, H.R., House of Representatives 
bill, 1342, the Secure Entry Act, it's time to suspend this program. 
It's not time to suspend US-Visit. It's not time to expand the U.S. 
visa waiver program, as Representative Bilbray and Senator Feinstein so 
well know.
  We need to suspend this program and say to those countries, the 27 or 
any others that we expand to, I am not opposed in the future to expand 
it if they have those biometric machine-readable passports, and they 
have done the due diligence before they have given those passports, 
just like you would with a visa. If somebody is going to come over here 
for two or three years to study or something, they have to answer 
something like 40 different questions and all these background checks.
  Not so with a passport. Getting a passport is about like getting a 
driver's license or a bank credit card or something. It's just a 
question or two. What's your name, where do you live, give us a photo.
  We are not going to be safe with this program, this program that was 
initiated, I said at the outset of the hour, back in the mid-1980s to 
promote tourism, friendship and cultural exchange and to promote 
international trade and business. The Statue of Liberty says it all. 
But we are living in a different time now.

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  We are living in a time that we are not safe with this program. 15 
million, I mentioned this earlier, Mr. Speaker, in the hour. 15 million 
people used this program in the last year that we were counting, 2005. 
It is probably more than that now. Certainly if we expand it, it will 
be more than that. So I introduced H.R. 1342, the Secure Entry Act, and 
this would suspend not end, not end. And I want to say to the 
ambassadors from the State Departments for these other countries, I 
have talked to them. They say, well, you are going to hurt tourism. 
Well, tourism is great, but you tell it to the families of the 9/11 
victims, the over 3,000 that are no longer with us. We can do this.
  But it seems like in this body and in any situation where you have to 
accomplish things, people for some reason want to wait until the 11th 
hour and they won't do it and they will procrastinate and they will 
drag their feet. It's too much trouble, don't have personnel, don't 
have the money. Well, you have got to make them do it. And you say, we 
will suspend the program and you can come to this country only if you 
have a visa, not with a passport, until you have done what we have our 
laws require you to do. That is it. That is the bill. And I think when 
you consider the safety of our people, it is not too much to ask.
  We have another. This was someone that came in 1993. I am going back 
now a little bit. Remember, my colleagues, the first attack on the 
World Trade Center? They didn't bring it down, but they came close. 
They came very close, killed a few people, caused a lot of damage. And 
we treated it as some criminal act, not as an act of terrorism which is 
what it clearly was. Well, one of those characters we were able to 
catch, Ahmed Ajaj. And the slide, if you look closely says, ``On 
September 1, 1992, Ahmed Ajaj fraudulently presented a Swedish, and, 
yes, my colleagues they are one of the 27 visa waiver countries, 
presented a Swedish passport without a visa for INS inspection when he 
arrived at JFK Airport in New York on a flight from Pakistan. Thank 
goodness, on secondary inspection Ajaj's luggage was searched revealing 
six bomb making manuals, six as if one wouldn't do, videotapes calling 
for terrorism against Americans, multiple fake passports, maybe some of 
those stolen visa waiver passports that we are not keeping up with, and 
a cheat sheet on how to lie to United States immigration inspectors. 
They are good at that, these people. Fortunately, Ajaj was arrested for 
passport fraud, and he was serving, long since over, with a 6-month 
sentence at the time that his fellow conspirators, his co-conspirators 
attacked the World Trade Center February 26, 1993.
  Mr. Speaker, I want to show another slide, and this is from the 
Associated Press dated July 13, 2007, 3 days ago. And here is what the 
Associated Press said: ``Al Qaeda is stepping up its efforts to sneak 
terror operatives into the United States and has acquired most of the 
capabilities it needs to strike here, according to a new U.S. 
intelligence assessment. The group will bolster its efforts to position 
operatives inside the United States borders. U.S. officials have 
expressed concern about the ease with which people can enter the United 
States through Europe,'' that is where most of these visa waiver 
countries are, in the continent of Europe, ``because of a program that 
allows most Europeans to enter without visas.''
  That is where we are, Mr. Speaker. That is exactly why I am here 
tonight. That is why the chairman of the bipartisan House Immigration 
Reform Caucus is with me during this hour. It is that important. It is 
that important. And we deeply appreciate you listening to us because it 
is not all about, as we talked about at the top of the hour, this bill 
that just went crashing down in flames. Because I think, and many of my 
colleagues feel, and fortunately the Senate rejected anything that 
looked like amnesty, we have got to secure those borders first and 
foremost, and that was what everybody has said. Well, maybe, a sigh of 
relief certainly from Georgians. But this is a different issue but 
equally important. This is what you call internal security. Not 
necessarily just securing the southern border, but who do you let in, 
and under what terms do you let them in, and where are they going? Are 
they going to do what they say they are going to do, or are they who 
they say they are? And if they overstay, even if they are legitimate, 
who is going to round them up? 15 million of them. 15 million in 2005, 
maybe more now.
  Listen to this, Mr. Speaker, some of the participating countries, and 
I would like my colleagues to pay attention. The 27, I may not mention 
them all, are: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, 
Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, the 
Netherlands, Monaco, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, 
and the U.K. I left out a few, but you get the picture. You get the 
picture. I think there is something like 43 countries in Europe. Most 
of them, 27 at least, are part of this visa waiver program.
  We are getting close to the hour that we need to wrap up, but before 
I do that I want to yield back to my friend from California, who is 
really a stalwart on immigration reform because he knows the problems 
that it has created if we don't do the due diligence that the American 
people have elected us to do. And he knows what has happened and the 
havoc that it has created in his State, our most populous State, the 
State of California.
  Mr. BILBRAY. I appreciate that. And, Mr. Speaker, when we talk about 
a visa and we talk about a proposal to go to a $10 visa processing fee, 
I go to Latin America on most of my family's casual time; it is kind of 
the untold story that the chairman of the Immigration Caucus spends so 
much time in Latin America. But they charge $10 for a visa and you go 
through a process down there. And as a visitor, I don't feel put upon 
to participate in their security in places like El Salvador or 
Nicaragua or Mexico. But here, when you talk about these countries that 
are under the visa, you are talking about some of them with massive 
amounts of immigration. So somebody could come in from Iran, immigrate 
to Australia, like I said, my mother's former country, could immigrate 
from Morocco into France, and then once they get their citizenship in 
that country then use that citizenship as being a free ride into the 
United States. So in reality, because immigration has become so fluid 
and nationalization of foreign nationals has become so easy in so many 
countries, that the issue of allowing some countries to be exempt from 
review and oversight and others not really are becoming antiquated, and 
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need to get back there. If you do not want a terrorist coming in from 
the West Bank, going through France and coming into this country, then 
we have to review everyone who comes into this country.

  So, in reality, we should be reducing the visa waiver, because we are 
not talking about people who have come from those countries, born in 
those countries, and have long term loyalty to those countries. We are 
also talking about people who have moved to those countries and might 
have moved there just a few years ago with the intention of getting 
their citizenship or getting legal residency to use that residency for 
the next move. And I think the doctors that tried to kill so many in 
England this last few months is an example that we really do have to be 
careful how we get it. Who would have thought that doctors from England 
could be terrorists. History has proven that those assumptions are 
wrong. And how many other assumptions are we making today that could be 
proven wrong in a much more graphic way?
  I appreciate the chance, Mr. Speaker, for your patience of allowing 
us to address you here tonight and the American people here tonight, 
and I thank the gentleman from Georgia for his leadership on this 
issue. And I do thank the Georgia delegation for standing so strong and 
so firm and defending our national sovereignty and defending our 
neighborhoods by standing strongly for immigration control and proper 
regulation.
  Mr. GINGREY. I thank the gentleman from California. And it reminds 
me, Mr. Speaker, as we talk about my colleagues from Georgia, Dr. 
Norwood, Charlie Norwood. We will elect tomorrow someone to replace 
him, but you can't replace him. Dr. Norwood was so strong on all these 
immigration issues in regard to that CLEAR Act that would let State and 
local law enforcement departments participate in apprehending illegals 
who had committed a felony in this country, God rest the soul of a 
great Member, Dr. Charlie Norwood.
  Nathan Deal, our longest serving member second to John Lewis, and 
everybody knows John Lewis; but Nathan Deal says we ought to end this 
nonsense of birthright citizenship, Mr. Speaker. You sneak into this 
country, the husband and wife both illegals, and have eight children 
and all of a sudden they are all United States citizens. A lot of 
countries, most countries have stopped allowing that. So, I am glad my 
colleague gave me an opportunity to pay tribute to some of my Georgia 
colleagues.
  Mr. Speaker, when we started I didn't think it would take an hour, 
but when you are passionate about something the time goes by pretty 
quickly. And this is such an important issue.
  Who supports, other than me and I hope the majority of my colleagues 
in the House of Representatives, suspending the visa waiver program? I 
will tell you who: The 9/11 families for a Secure America, the 
Federation for American Immigration Reform, and last but not least 
because they represent thousands of people in this country, Numbers 
USA. They are all strongly supportive of this bill. And I hope that we 
can get it passed, Mr. Speaker, because here again I am not calling for 
eliminating the visa waiver program; I am saying let's suspend it, 
let's don't expand it, I agree with Senator Feinstein, and let's get it 
right. We can get it right, and then people will be safe here.
  Listen to what the European terrorist cells have said recently. A 
quote from Taliban military commander Mansoor Dadullah, as reported by 
Brian Ross of ABC News. This was just a couple of days ago. ``These 
Americans, Canadians, British, and Germans come here to Afghanistan 
from faraway places. Why shouldn't we train them?'' That is what I am 
talking about, Mr. Speaker, and that is why we are here tonight. We 
need to suspend this program until we can get it right so that we can 
protect the American people.
  Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleagues for their attention, and I yield 
back the balance of my time.

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