[Congressional Record Volume 153, Number 90 (Wednesday, June 6, 2007)]
[House]
[Pages H6037-H6042]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




                 HUMAN CLONING PROHIBITION ACT OF 2007

  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and pass the 
bill (H.R. 2560) to amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to 
prohibit human cloning, and for other purposes.
  The Clerk read the title of the bill.
  The text of the bill is as follows:

                               H.R. 2560

       Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of 
     the United States of America in Congress assembled,

     SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

       This Act may be cited as the ``Human Cloning Prohibition 
     Act of 2007''.

     SEC. 2. PROHIBITION AGAINST HUMAN CLONING.

       (a) In General.--The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act 
     (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the 
     following:

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                       ``CHAPTER X--HUMAN CLONING


                  ``PROHIBITION AGAINST HUMAN CLONING

       ``Sec. 1001.  (a) In General.--It shall be unlawful for any 
     person--
       ``(1) to perform or attempt to perform human cloning; or
       ``(2) to ship, mail, transport, or receive the product of 
     human somatic cell nuclear transfer technology knowing that 
     such product is for the purpose of human cloning.
       ``(b) Definitions.--For purposes of this section:
       ``(1) The term `human cloning' means the implantation of 
     the product of human somatic cell nuclear transfer technology 
     into a uterus or the functional equivalent of a uterus.
       ``(2) The term `human somatic cell nuclear transfer 
     technology' means transferring the nuclear material of a 
     human somatic cell into an egg cell from which the nuclear 
     material has been removed or rendered inert.
       ``(3) The term `person' includes a governmental entity.''.
       (b) Prohibited Acts.--
       (1) In general.--Section 301 of the Federal Food, Drug, and 
     Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 331) is amended by adding at the end 
     the following:
       ``(jj) The violation of section 1001(a).''.
       (2) Criminal penalty.--Section 303(b) of the Federal Food, 
     Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 333(b)) is amended by 
     adding at the end the following:
       ``(7) Notwithstanding subsection (a), any person who 
     violates section 301(jj) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 
     years or fined in accordance with title 18, United States 
     Code, or both.''.
       (3) Civil penalties.--Section 303 of the Federal Food, 
     Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 333) is amended--
       (A) by redesignating subsection (g) as subsection (f); and
       (B) by adding at the end the following:
       ``(g)(1) Any person who violates section 301(jj) shall be 
     liable to the United States for a civil penalty in an amount 
     not to exceed the greater of--
       ``(A) $10,000,000; or
       ``(B) an amount equal to the amount of any gross pecuniary 
     gain derived from such violation multiplied by 2.
       ``(2) Paragraphs (3) through (5) of subsection (f) apply 
     with respect to a civil penalty under this subsection to the 
     same extent and in the same manner as such paragraphs (3) 
     through (5) apply with respect to a civil penalty under 
     subsection (f).''.
       (4) Forfeiture.--Section 303 of the Federal Food, Drug, and 
     Cosmetic Act, as amended by paragraph (3), is amended by 
     adding at the end the following:
       ``(h) Any property, real or personal, derived from or used 
     to commit a violation of section 301(jj), or any property 
     traceable to such property, shall be subject to forfeiture to 
     the United States.''.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to the rule, the gentlewoman from 
Colorado (Ms. DeGette) and the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Pitts) 
each will control 20 minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentlewoman from Colorado.


                             General Leave

  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members 
may have 5 legislative days to revise and extend their remarks and 
include extraneous material on the bill under consideration.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentlewoman from Colorado?
  There was no objection.
  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise today in strong support of H.R. 2560, the Human 
Cloning Prohibition Act of 2007. Tomorrow, the House will debate S. 5, 
the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, which will expand the number of 
stem cell lines that are eligible for federally funded research. 
Similar to legislation passed in the House earlier this year with 
overwhelming bipartisan support, the goal of S. 5 is to accelerate 
scientific progress towards cures and treatments for a wide range of 
diseases and debilitating health conditions. When we debated the bill 
in January, opponents of the bill chose to muddle the debate by 
offering a motion to recommit involving cloning, a topic unrelated to 
H.R. 3.
  After the debate, a number of my colleagues asked me if we could 
address the issue of human reproductive cloning because they, like I, 
were opposed to reproductive cloning. So, as we prepare to debate 
embryonic stem cell research tomorrow, I have introduced H.R. 2560 with 
my colleague from Connecticut so that we can discuss this important 
issue.
  Since scientists in Scotland were able to create a cloned sheep named 
Dolly, some have speculated about the possibility of one day cloning 
human beings. But we can all agree that there is universal opposition 
to conducting human reproductive cloning and it should be illegal. 
Human reproductive cloning is morally and scientifically wrong. 
Unfortunately, at this time, though, there is nothing to prevent 
irresponsible individuals from conducting research in an attempt to 
achieve human reproductive cloning. The most effective way to prevent 
human reproductive cloning in the United States is to pass a Federal 
prohibition on this practice and impose severe penalties for doing so.
  This is why my colleague, Congressman Chris Murphy, and I have 
introduced the Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2007. Our bill would 
make it illegal to use cloning technology to initiate a pregnancy and 
therefore create a cloned human being. The penalty for such an act 
would include severe criminal sanctions, in addition to as much as $10 
million in civil fines. These strict penalties are necessary to ensure 
that such an act is prevented from occurring.
  Unbelievably, people actually are opposing this bill because they are 
seeking to characterize it as a much broader bill. While they make many 
false claims, the fact of the matter is this legislation today is 
solely a ban on human reproductive cloning, something that all Members 
of Congress as well as, I think, the vast majority of the American 
public support. The accusations that this bill expressly allows 
something new are completely false.
  I also find it ironic that those who oppose our bill argue that one 
of its flaws is that it would force all cloned embryos to be killed. 
The bill bans human reproductive cloning. Nothing more, nothing less. 
So the argument of those who say they are against cloning is that we 
should defeat our bill to prevent cloned embryos from being killed. It 
defies logic, just like it defies logic why anyone would vote against 
this bill.
  Mr. Speaker, I hope today we can take the rhetoric down and that we 
can focus on what this bill does, which is to prevent human 
reproductive cloning. We all agree this practice should be banned, so 
let's pass this bill and make it happen.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  I rise in opposition to H.R. 2560. This bill is being marketed as a 
ban on human cloning. However, H.R. 2560 does nothing to prevent human 
cloning. In fact, the bill allows for unlimited cloning of human 
embryos but prevents women and doctors from trying to implant one of 
these embryos to initiate a pregnancy. In practice, this means that 
embryos will be cloned, used for experimentation, harvesting, research, 
then assigned a death sentence. So cloned embryos would be required by 
law to die. Not only does this bill allow the practice of cloning to 
move forward, it also mandates the killing of those human embryos.
  The bill before us today is a ruse. It is not a ban on cloning. It is 
a permission to clone, and I hope no one here today will be confused 
about what we are being asked to do. The bill's supporters state that 
this would ban reproductive cloning, but this claim is highly 
misleading because the language does not restrict the actual act of 
human cloning by allowing for somatic cell nuclear transfer, a 
confusing and technical way of defining research cloning.
  The bill before us is called the Human Cloning Prohibition Ban, and 
you might think that it does what it says instead of the opposite of 
what it says. If it did what it said, I would vote for it. Part of the 
problem we are having is the consequence of having had no committee 
process to determine what the bill actually does. We have had no 
hearings. We have had no markups. In fact, the bill was not even 
introduced until last night. And now the bill that nobody has seen is 
on the suspension calendar. Intentional or otherwise, this is another 
duplicity. The suspension calendar is for noncontroversial measures, 
like naming post offices, not for highly controversial legislation that 
is a wolf in Dolly the sheep's clothing.
  This bill is bad policy, and so was the process by which it got here. 
How many times will we have this discussion? The week before Memorial 
Day we discussed a bill on Medicare payments that came to the House 
floor the same way. Yesterday, a resolution on how Congress will handle 
future ethics

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matters was introduced on the same day that it was inserted in the 
suspension calendar with no committee hearings.

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  The Senate could be forgiven for concluding that the new majority 
promises for open government are still not being realized after 5 
months.
  The bill is opposed by the White House. In their statement of 
administration policy which came out, they said that this would 
``prohibit human cloning for reproductive purposes but permit the 
creation of cloned embryos or development of human embryo farms for 
research which would require destruction of nascent human life.''
  That is exactly what H.R. 2560 does. It crosses a new moral line by 
making it a criminal act to let the cloned embryos survive. To put it 
directly, this bill would create a class of living human beings that 
must be killed under the law.
  Mr. Speaker, this is not progress. It is a disturbing step in the 
wrong direction. It should be rejected on this floor, and I urge my 
colleagues to oppose the bill.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, just briefly, as the gentleman from 
Pennsylvania knows, our committee, the Energy and Commerce Committee, 
did have robust hearings on cloning several years ago where we brought 
in several scientists as well as a cult called the Raelians who are 
actually trying to clone human beings, and that is why we need this 
kind of limitation.
  Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 5 minutes the gentleman from 
Connecticut (Mr. Murphy), the cosponsor of the bill.
  Mr. MURPHY of Connecticut. Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague, 
Representative DeGette, for being such a leader on this issue in the 
past and allowing me to join with her today to offer this very 
commonsense measure regarding the banning of human reproductive 
cloning.
  I rise in support of this act today. I do so because to me the bill 
before us is relatively simple. This is a straightforward ban on human 
reproductive cloning, taking material through somatic cell nuclear 
transfer and turning that material into a living, breathing human 
being. As Representative DeGette said, nothing more, nothing less.
  Under this law, if someone uses cloning technology to initiate a 
pregnancy and creates a cloned human being, they would face severe 
criminal and civil sanctions.
  This legislation is something that the vast majority of the American 
public supports, and it is something that all Members of Congress I 
think should support as well.
  In Connecticut, as part of our State's historic Stem Cell Investment 
Act, which I was very honored to have authored, we recognize that human 
being reproductive cloning is a practice that perverts the promise of 
science; and we banned it outright in our legislation. In fact, I think 
it is pretty amazing that we are standing here having this debate 
today, that the Federal Government has, until today, not stepped 
forward and said that human reproductive cloning, bringing that 
material to the stage of a human being created from that material, is 
illegal. We should do what we did in Connecticut here today.
  Mr. Speaker, I understand that there are some members who want to 
turn this ban on human reproductive cloning into a ban on somatic cell 
nuclear transfer, called by some therapeutic cloning, and I understand 
the discomfort many Members have with this innovative line of stem cell 
research. Personally, for me, I join the scientific community in my 
belief that it is this research that holds the most potential for 
lifesaving treatments and cures.
  But I recognize there are those who disagree. However, the debate 
surrounding this particular disagreement is not the subject of today's 
legislation. Today's legislation is simply about the line that we all 
can agree to draw, that which clearly and cleanly prohibits the 
manipulation of cells or embryos into a cloned human being.
  The moral and ethical questions surrounding somatic cell nuclear 
transfer are legitimate subjects for debate. But that debate will occur 
later this week when we revisit the comprehensive stem cell 
authorization bill coming back to this House from the Senate.
  Today, Mr. Speaker, our task is simple: Ban what we all agree is 
beyond the scientific and ethical pale, human reproductive cloning.
  We are dealing with an issue as complicated as cloning technology. 
The morass of scientific arcana and the ease of sound bite 
simplification can obscure the simple facts. So let's be clear. Today, 
human cloning, creating a replica of a person's DNA, implanting an 
embryo into the womb of a woman and creating a new human being out of 
that material, that practice is legal today in this country with 
exceptions such as Connecticut and other States that have done the 
right thing and banned it. With the enactment of this legislation, 
human reproductive cloning will be illegal. Nothing more, Mr. Speaker, 
nothing less.
  Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from New 
Jersey (Mr. Smith), a leader on this issue.
  Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. Mr. Speaker, I thank my good friend for 
yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, beware of false and misleading bill titles.
  H.R. 2560, rushed to the floor today after only being introduced 
several hours ago, is misnamed the ``Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 
2007.''
  The fact is, this bill doesn't ban any human cloning at all. 
Absolutely none. Researchers are absolutely free, are given the green 
light, to clone human life to their heart's content, so long as they 
kill and destroy the cloned human embryo at some point, perhaps weeks, 
after its creation. As a matter of fact, the legislation makes it a 
serious crime to allow a cloned human being to survive pass a certain 
point.
  In other words, this bizarre piece of legislation would make it 
illegal not to kill a cloned human being; and the penalties are stiff, 
up to 10 years in prison and a $10 million fine.
  By redefining human cloning as ``implantation'' rather than the 
creation of a new human being that would be then transferred into a 
uterus or a functional equivalent, this phony ban sanctions unlimited 
human cloning for research. Even more bizarre, under the bill, if a 
woman were to have a cloned human embryo implanted in her womb, she 
could go to jail for up to 10 years and/or be fined up to $10 million. 
Is that something we want to vote for? I think not. The plain language 
in the Weldon-Stupak cloning ban penalizes those who facilitate the 
creation of the clone--not the woman.
  My colleagues, I am sure all of us are aware of the fact that a 
cloned human embryo will be indistinguishable from an embryo created 
using in-vitro fertilization. Dolly the Sheep looked just like every 
other sheep. How will this be enforced? If a woman is found carrying a 
cloned baby, are you willing to fine her and send her to jail for 10 
years?
  Mr. Speaker, the United States should join many countries, including 
Canada, Germany, Italy and France, in totally banning all cloning. The 
Democratic leadership should bring the Weldon-Stupak bill to the floor, 
instead of the DeGette pro-cloning measure.
  Finally, what a difference a few years makes. In 2003, Ms. DeGette 
said, ``We are not and we do not support creating embryos for the 
purpose of research.'' This legislation begs the question. Apparently 
you do. Why aren't you bringing a total ban before this body?
  I would point out when a similar bill to H.R. 2560 was brought to the 
floor as an amendment in the nature of a substitute by Congressman Jim 
Greenwood we voted it down 174-231. Charles Krauthammer wrote, and I 
think this is very insightful, that ``Greenwood,'' and read that now 
DeGette, ``is a nightmare and an abomination. It sanctions, licenses 
and protects the launching of the most ghoulish and dangerous 
enterprise in modern scientific history, the creation of nascent cloned 
human life for the sole purpose of its exploitation and destruction.''
  I urge my colleagues, let's pass a real ban on cloning, not this 
phony ban.
  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, I just would make two points toward the 
gentleman from New Jersey's comments. The first one is the Weldon-
Stupak bill, which he says he supports, also would make it a crime for 
a woman to carry a cloned embryo in her uterus as a

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pregnancy. Frankly, we think that cloning should be a crime. I am 
surprised to hear the gentleman say that he does not think it should 
be.
  Secondly, the so-called Greenwood-DeGette bill from several sessions 
of Congress ago that he is referring to is a completely different bill 
than this bill today. People should probably read the legislation in 
front of them to see that all this bill does is make reproductive 
cloning illegal.
  Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from 
Rhode Island (Mr. Langevin), a real leader on these issues.
  (Mr. LANGEVIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)

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  Mr. LANGEVIN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman for yielding me 
this time.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of H.R. 2560, the Human Cloning 
Prohibition Act. In recent years, Congress has debated various means of 
banning human cloning. In an area that can be complex and confusing, I 
am pleased that this bill, which is exceptionally simple and 
straightforward, has come to the floor here today. Clearly some of my 
colleagues on the other side of this issue are among those who find it 
too complex and are confused. Hopefully we can clarify that before the 
vote today.
  H.R. 2560 would make it illegal to use cloning technology to initiate 
a pregnancy and thereby create a cloned human being. The bill also 
includes strict penalties to insure that such an Act is prevented from 
taking place. Unfortunately, there seems to be some misinformation 
circulating among my colleagues and outside groups surrounding the 
implications of this bill.
  I want to be very clear, this legislation in no way encourages or 
endorses therapeutic cloning, otherwise known as somatic cell nuclear 
transfer or any other type of research. On the contrary, this 
legislation will simply ensure that as technology advances, ethical 
safeguards are in place to keep human cloning, something we all agree 
would be a frightening development, from occurring.
  For the record, there are no incentives included in this bill, not 
even any words of encouragement, for any specific types of research. 
This bill is a simple ban on human cloning once and for all.
  Regardless of my colleagues' feelings on stem cell research or any 
other type of medical research, I cannot imagine why any of them would 
oppose a ban on human cloning.
  Mr. Speaker, I hope all of my colleagues will take the time to 
understand what this bill does and what it does not do and why it is 
important and vote in favor of H.R. 2560.
  Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, at this time I would like to yield 5 minutes 
to a leader on this issue, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon).
  Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for 
yielding.
  This bill before us today entitled the Human Cloning Prohibition Act, 
is better entitled the ``Human Clone Implantation Prohibition Act.'' 
Essentially what it does is make it a crime to implant a cloned human 
embryo in the uterus of a woman.
  While the gentlewoman from Colorado has said this is a very different 
bill from the Greenwood substitute, it is true if you sit down with the 
two of them and read them, they read differently; but the net effect, 
let's be serious, is the same. It is the goal pursued by many research 
scientists, who I assume do not ascribe to a belief in the sanctity of 
human life, that they want to begin experimentation on human embryos 
produced through the process of human cloning.
  My position when we began debating this issue 5, 6 years ago, remains 
the same. There are a host of problems with this, not the least of 
which is that I and millions of Americans like me believe that human 
life is sacred and we should not be wholesale producing it to be 
experimented with in the lab and then discarded when the 
experimentation is done.
  Are we really trying to say to the American people we want to make 
the human embryo the lab rat of the 21st century?
  I will add, this is going to create a huge demand for human eggs. It 
has been very surprising to me to see so many people on the left who 
claim to be great champions of women's issues, it is going to create a 
lot of pressure for more human eggs. And the way you get human eggs, it 
is not a simple, overnight procedure. You have to give women a powerful 
medication that produces something called superovulation. It has the 
potential for complications, depression in some 25 percent of the women 
who get these drugs, possible significant complications requiring 
hospitalization called the superovulation syndrome.
  And who will be donating their eggs to all these research labs? We 
all know who it will be, it will be women who really need the money. 
You will probably have problems and complications, suicides from 
depression. What will end up happening is they will end up going 
overseas to Third World countries where they can't bring litigation.
  This is why many leaders in the feminist movement chose to support 
the Stupak-Weldon bill over this alternative. It is just down right bad 
policy.
  Let me say as well, the lady said previously that the women could, 
under my previous bill, could be criminally prosecuted. I disagree 
wholeheartedly. I thought the language of the Stupak-Weldon bill was 
very clear, that the criminal act would be the creation of the human 
embryo through the process of somatic cell nuclear transfer. That is 
the way they created Dolly; that is the way this process begins.
  Let me just say in closing, the process by which we have undergone 
this, when we were in the majority, we had committee hearings. We 
allowed a substitute. And to rush this to the floor on the suspension 
calendar is an inappropriate way for us to deal with a very, very 
significant issue.
  This, ladies and gentlemen, is a profound slippery slope. They will 
not be satisfied with doing research on human embryos. The next target 
will be the human fetus itself, creating human models of disease so 
research scientists can do research on certain forms of human disease 
by doing research on human embryos and fetuses. That is the direction 
we are going, patenting some of those diseased human embryos.
  I say this is a place where we should be drawing the line. We should 
defeat this on the suspension calendar. I believe if you brought it 
forward under regular order, it would go down under regular order, and 
I encourage all of my colleague to vote ``no'' on this piece of 
legislation.
  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, at this time I want to yield 3 minutes to the 
distinguished ranking member of Energy and Commerce, the gentleman from 
Texas (Mr. Barton).
  (Mr. BARTON of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and 
extend his remarks.)
  Mr. BARTON of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I don't normally come to the floor 
to talk on suspension bills because normally, suspension bills have 
been cleared by the majority with the minority and they are bills that 
we have if not unanimous agreement on, we have general agreement on. 
But I feel very strongly about this particular bill and the way it is 
being done.
  The gentlelady, who is the chief sponsor of the bill, the gentlewoman 
from Colorado (Ms. DeGette) is a good friend of mine. When I was 
chairman, I helped her and Mr. Castle bring to the floor the stem cell 
bill which was very controversial and which the President ultimately 
vetoed. I voted for that bill, and spoke for the bill on the floor. We 
had an arrangement between Mr. Dingell and myself about how we were 
going to bring that bill to the floor. Ms. DeGette and Mr. Castle were 
part of that discussion.
  This bill was introduced after 7 p.m. last night. John Dingell didn't 
call me. Diane DeGette didn't call me. We can't find anybody from the 
majority who called anybody on the minority. There have been no 
hearings on the bill. There has been no markup of the bill. We just 
basically take the gentlelady's word that it is what it is.
  We know that cloning is controversial. We know that most of us in 
this body are opposed to human cloning, for whatever purpose. There is 
a good chance if we had a legislative hearing, we had a markup, we 
could probably come to a consensus on a bill that Mr. Weldon could 
support and Mr. Smith could support and Ms. DeGette could support; but 
not this bill. Not this process.

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  A bill is introduced at 7:30 one night and is on the floor of the 
suspension calendar the next day, there have been no hearings, no 
process, and you can't amend it because it is under suspension of the 
rules. I think that is a subversion of the process.
  It is a way to give some Members a vote for political cover because 
tomorrow when the main stem cell bill comes up, which was noticed last 
week, the last time the stem cell bill was on the floor, the minority 
who has the right to offer a motion to recommit, part of the motion to 
recommit dealt with cloning, and some of the Members in the majority 
voted for it.

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  So this is a way for the majority to give some Members of their party 
a way to vote for a cloning bill so they can vote against the motion to 
recommit tomorrow, if that's what it is. So I understand the political 
strategy, but I don't understand the process of ignoring the Energy and 
Commerce Committee repeatedly, and I don't understand a bill as 
controversial as this being brought under suspension with no hearings 
and a bill that wasn't even introduced until after dark last night.
  That's wrong. I hope we vote ``no,'' N-O, ``no.''
  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, I continue to reserve.
  Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, may I inquire of the time remaining?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Pennsylvania has 5\1/2\ 
minutes remaining. The gentlewoman from Colorado has 9 minutes 
remaining.
  Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
Georgia (Mr. Gingrey).
  Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
  The gentleman from Texas, the ranking member of Energy and Commerce, 
who just spoke from the well, he said it exactly right. This is a 
political ploy, bringing this bill up under suspension, in my opinion, 
Mr. Speaker, to give Members on the other side of the aisle the 
opportunity for cover on this bill, this Castle-DeGette legislation 
that's coming up tomorrow.
  When King Solomon ordered that the baby be cut in half, Mr. Speaker, 
who knew that someone would actually take him up on the offer. And yet 
regrettably, this bill before us today, H.R. 2560, it aims to 
figuratively and literally cut the baby in half.
  Supporters of this legislation claim that H.R. 2650 bans human 
cloning. This claim could not be further from the truth. If we really 
want to ban human cloning, then the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon) 
and the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Stupak), in a bipartisan way, they 
have the right bill, and this was reintroduced by Representative Weldon 
last night. I'm a proud cosponsor of that. That bans human cloning for 
any purpose, reproductive or research.
  I'm not impugning the motive of Representative DeGette, maybe it's 
inadvertent, and maybe hopefully she understands through this 
discussion today about the bill that, inadvertently, this promotes 
cloning for research purposes.
  We believe, those of us who are part of the pro-life caucus, strongly 
believe that when you clone a human Dolly, that is a human being, and 
then you slice it and dice it to get stem cells and then it's required 
that you destroy it because it becomes a crime if it's implanted in a 
woman to become a child. Then we say that you are indeed creating life 
and destroying life, not maybe for the purpose of reproduction but for 
the purpose of research, and that is wrong.
  And that is why we need to vote down this bill today, and I strongly 
oppose it.
  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, we have no further speakers, and so we're 
prepared to close. And, with that, I reserve my time.
  Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished 
gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Price).
  Mr. PRICE of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I stand before this House and say 
that I oppose human cloning.
  As a physician, I'm extremely concerned about the consequences of 
human cloning and all of its ramifications, but this bill doesn't ban 
human cloning, not as we all know it.
  The author says, read the bill. Well, I would suggest to my 
colleagues, that is exactly what they ought to do, read the bill.
  The definition on page 2 of human cloning says, ``The term `human 
cloning' means the implantation of the product of human somatic cell 
nuclear transfer technology into a uterus or the functional equivalent 
of a uterus.'' It confines the definition to implantation. Cloning 
means to copy. Human cloning means to copy a human.
  Dorland's medical dictionary definition of human cloning is, ``The 
transplantation of a nucleus from a somatic cell into an ovum which 
then develops into an embryo.'' It doesn't confine it to implantation, 
because implantation is the next step.
  Cloning doesn't have to do with implantation. This is another, Mr. 
Speaker, in a long list of Orwellian democracy actions by this 
majority, saying one thing and doing another. This bill wouldn't ban 
human cloning at all.
  What a shame, what a sham. I urge my colleagues to read the bill. I 
urge my colleagues to vote ``no.''
  Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, let me just say in conclusion that, as we all 
know, Dolly the sheep was a cloned animal. Let me remind you that Dolly 
the sheep was the 277th try. There were 276 before her who were 
defective and deformed and died. In fact, the history of cloning is 
replete with defects, deformity and death; and as they seek to create 
little human embryos for the purposes of research and experimentation 
and harvesting and death, we should remember this fact.
  The researcher in South Korea that failed to identify what he was 
doing, Dr. Hwang, and his team obtained 2,000 eggs from over 100 women 
that they paid for their cloning attempts.
  Human cloning exploits women. It ushers in an era of eugenics. It 
embraces a utilitarian view of humans. It involves the creation of 
little human embryos for research experiments. And for these reasons 
and all the reasons that are stated, I urge my colleagues to oppose 
this bill.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Well, I've been in Congress now 10 years; and some days I feel like 
I'm in Alice in Wonderland. Today happens to be one of them. Because 
when you listen to the arguments from the other side you'd never dream 
that the bill under consideration right now is a ban on human 
reproductive cloning.
  Maybe I will start by talking about the status of the law in the 
United States today. Right now, in the United States, SCNT, somatic 
cell nuclear transfer, is legal. It is legal today, and there is 
nothing about H.R. 2560, the Human Cloning Prohibition Act, that 
changes that or alters it in any way.
  We hear the other side talking about egg farms and forcing women to 
donate eggs and all of that. If that was going to happen, it would be 
happening today because this bill does nothing to stop the status of 
current law on SCNT or therapeutic cloning.
  What we do have happening today, however, is there are some unethical 
scientists who are trying to do reproductive cloning. They are trying 
to take the results of SCNT, implant them in women's uteruses and 
create cloned human beings.
  I just heard my colleague from Pennsylvania talking about Dolly the 
sheep and all of the failed attempts with animal cloning before Dolly 
the sheep. He is absolutely right. It is a terrible problem, and that 
is why it is reprehensible and immoral to try to clone human beings. 
That is also why we need to make it illegal in this country.
  He also talked about the example of South Korea, and he's also 
absolutely right about South Korea. There was an unethical researcher 
in South Korea who, with no ethical standards or controls, tried to 
make experiments and lied about the results.
  By the way, that's why we need to pass S. 5 tomorrow, because 
currently in this country there are no ethical controls either over 
embryonic stem cell research or SCNT research, controls which we could 
really use in this country, and they certainly could have used in South 
Korea, but that's all sort of aside from the point.
  The point is, right now, in this country it is not illegal to clone a 
human being for reproductive purposes, and there's a national consensus 
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  I do want to apologize to my ranking member, Mr. Barton, about the 
process. Perhaps there should have been notice. But the truth is, there 
is a consensus on reproductive cloning.
  This is a simple bill, and we have tried, over the years in Congress, 
to ban reproductive cloning. The reason we haven't been able to do it 
is because the other side gets up and makes all of these false 
arguments, which then complicate the situation, and we have not been 
able to ban reproductive cloning. We felt that under a suspension 
calendar, with a clean vote and a simple bill, it would work.
  For people who try to say, well, somehow this is going to cause more 
problems, I can't believe that they would support reproductive cloning. 
I can't believe that the opponents of this bill would actually vote 
against a bill that bans reproductive cloning. I can't believe that 
they would say they think that we would encourage reproductive cloning 
in this country.
  I would tell my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, this vote will 
be a clear vote today. The vote will be, do you oppose human 
reproductive cloning and think that it should be a Federal crime in 
this country, or are you in the pocket of the special interests who 
will make any argument because they don't think this bill goes far 
enough to ban other types of research, which are legal right now in 
this country and for which the results which they fear have not 
happened to date.
  I will say, let's make the clear statement in Congress. Let's stand 
up for our constituents. Let's ban reproductive cloning today. There is 
no Member of Congress who supports human reproductive cloning, which is 
exactly what this bill prohibits.
  Vote ``yes'' on H.R. 2560, and then we can have the rest of this 
debate tomorrow on S. 5.
  Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of 
H.R. 2560, the ``Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2007.''
  This legislation, offered by my colleague, Representative DeGette, 
specifies that it is illegal to utilize cloning technology for 
unethical purposes.
  The bill text defines human cloning as the implantation of the 
product of human somatic cell nuclear transfer technology into a 
uterus.
  In my view, H.R. 2560 would allow important stem cell research to be 
done in an ethical manner.
  However, it specifies criminal penalties for individuals who do 
attempt to clone humans.
  Mr. Speaker, as a nurse and long-time member of the Committee on 
Science and Technology, I have long advocated for federal resources to 
be used to support stem cell research.
  After careful review of the bill text, I feel that this is a sound 
piece of legislation that does what it says it will do--prohibit stem 
cell technology from being used unethically to ``clone'' human beings.
  I urge my colleagues to support H.R. 2560.
  Mr. SPACE. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of H.R. 2560.
  Mr. Speaker, I am a fervent supporter of the promise and optimism of 
embryonic stem cell research. As the father of a child who suffers from 
juvenile diabetes, I know full well the importance of stem cell 
research in developing a cure for life threatening diseases. For 
millions of Americans like my son, stem cell research represents 
promising hope of a cure within their lifetime.
  Unfortunately, many Americans confuse embryonic stem cell research as 
human cloning, a practice which I adamantly oppose.
  While technological advances continue to give scientists 
opportunities to explore beyond our horizons, we have an obligation to 
pursue our goals responsibly. The pursuit of science cannot go 
unchecked; occasionally, Congress must intervene.
  The artificial creation of human life through cloning challenges the 
ethical foundations of this Nation. The development of human life is a 
natural process that cannot be replaced by scientists in a laboratory. 
I cannot in good conscience support a world where the chance and wonder 
of the birth of a child is eliminated in favor of a cold, sterile 
process.
  Embryonic stem cell research differs from cloning by developing 
embryos that might otherwise be destroyed for specific functions. The 
goal of this practice is not to create new human life, but rather to 
sustain existing human life by replacing failing parts of the human 
anatomy.
  I will always support saving an American life. I cannot support 
artificially engineering one.
  The importance of this distinction is critical. I hope that my 
colleagues in the House will join me in educating the public on the 
differences between these practices.
  Mr. LAMBORN. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in opposition to H.R. 2560. 
The purpose of government in free societies is to protect basic human 
rights, the most important of which is the right to life. It is because 
of the need to protect that right to life that I oppose this bill. 
Misnamed ``The Human Cloning and Prohibition Act,'' H.R. 2560 purports 
to ban human cloning.
  I wholeheartedly agree that human cloning should be outlawed. Yet the 
term ``cloning'' in this bill does not refer, as it normally does, to 
the simple act of creating a viable human embryo. Here the word cloning 
refers only to the implanting of a cloned embryo in a uterus and not to 
anything that precedes implantation. This bill is silent about and so 
condones the experimentation upon and destruction of human embryos 
prior to implantation. Even prior to implantation a human embryo has 
the entire genetic makeup of a new human being and is worthy of 
protection.
  Those of us who seek to defend life at all stages have long argued 
that embryonic research would initiate a downward spiral for the 
sanctity of human life in this country. The government of the greatest 
nation in the world cannot treat human life as an expendable resource 
and allow taking the life of its most vulnerable citizens. I urge my 
colleagues to oppose this bill and to support Representative Weldon's 
ethical and moral alternative, H.R. 2564, of which I am a cosponsor.
  Ms. DeGETTE. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentlewoman from Colorado (Ms. DeGette) that the House suspend the 
rules and pass the bill, H.R. 2560.
  The question was taken.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. In the opinion of the Chair, two-thirds 
being in the affirmative, the ayes have it.
  Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX and the 
Chair's prior announcement, further proceedings on this question will 
be postponed.

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