[Congressional Record Volume 152, Number 66 (Wednesday, May 24, 2006)]
[House]
[Pages H3220-H3223]
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IMMIGRATION
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Marchant). Under the Speaker's announced
policy of January 4, 2005, the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. King) is
recognized for the remaining time until midnight as the designee of the
majority leader.
Mr. KING of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I do appreciate the honor to address
you tonight, and the subject matter I wish to take up, along with my
colleague from California, will be the subject of illegal immigration.
We are continually discussing this issue because it is a big issue. It
is complicated. It is very, very detailed, and it has many, many
ramifications for the short term, mid term and long term.
As we speak, at least today and likely tomorrow, there will be more
debate over in the United States Senate about this very subject matter.
And as we watch them make decisions over there, many of us in this
Chamber and across the country get quite apprehensive as we review the
decisions that are made there, which are recommendations to us here,
because many times those decisions are made, I think, without
considering and maybe even without access to the facts at hand.
As nearly as I can bring it up to date with the amendments that have
been passed and the way the bill sets today, the cap that they have put
on for a guest worker plan is 200,000 a year. That would be a flat
number that would presumably increase, and it would go 200,000 each
year.
There are a number of other categories there. As we know, we have
visa categories all the way from A to V. And so with all these
categories that we have, there are many different ways to legally come
into the United States. So I would like to send a message out there to
the people who have come into this country illegally or the people
outside of America that are interested in coming to the United States
to live and work and play. And that is that you can go to the Web page
of the U.S. Consul, and on there, you can click your way through to
find out how to come the United States legally.
That is the right way to do it. That is the way we welcome people
here. That is the policy we have here in the United States of America,
the country that has the most liberal immigration policy on the face of
the earth. Any way you measure it, we have welcomed more people into
this country legally. We have welcomed them here, and they have had the
opportunity to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and contribute to
this country. That is the right way to do things.
We have this debate going on in this country, and the debate, Mr.
Speaker, is about illegal immigration and what to do with 10 or 12 or
20 or more million illegals in this country. There seems to be a lack
of will in the United States Senate to enforce the law. In fact, it
seems as though, if all the illegals in America lined up and said, I
think I want to go home, a bunch of the folks in the United States
Senate would say, please, don't comply with the law; we don't want that
to happen.
Well, I will say that I want everyone to comply with the law in the
United States. The law says, if you come into the United States
illegally, the penalty you are facing is 6 months in jail and
deportation. Those two penalties go along with that violation. If you
make that violation and you are walking the streets of America today,
that means you are here illegally. If you came into this country
illegally and you are not lawfully present here and you don't have
proof of how you might have come here in a lawful fashion, then you are
guilty of a criminal misdemeanor punishable by 6 months in jail and
deportation. So many of the people that were marching in the streets
claiming they
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were not criminals, yes, in fact, many of them were that day and are
today criminals.
One of the issues we need to deal with are people who overstay their
visas. At least 20 percent of the people that are here illegally come
into the United States legally, as did the September 11th bombers. Some
of them came here legally and then violated their visas and found
themselves unlawfully present in the United States. That is part of it
that we are not doing much enforcement of.
The balance of this, though, the vast majority, the mass quantity of
humanity is pouring across our southern border at the rate of 11,000 a
day, 77,000 a week, 4 million a year. That is a huge haystack of
humanity. Some of that humanity is pretty good humanity, though they
have still broken our laws. And then there is some of that humanity is
not very good humanity, and in that group is the criminal element and
the drug dealers and the terrorists, the needles within that 4-million-
person haystack of humanity that must be sorted out.
It is not possible to sort them out with a haystack of 4 million
strong. We have to cut down on the flow of humanity coming across our
border.
I went down to the border about a week and a half ago and spent 4
days on the ground. I have sat through hearings in the Immigration
Subcommittee, and I have done that for 3\1/2\ years, sometimes two and
three and even four different hearings a week. And in that period of
time, you pick up a lot of information about the immigration subject
matter.
In reality, I had one of the more pessimistic views of how much
illegal immigration was coming across our southern border, how many
illegal drugs were coming across our southern border, how bad it is
down there and how much crime comes along with it. So I went down there
and spent those 4 days on the border, and I am prepared to go back to
the border very soon. But it made me more pessimistic. It opened up my
eyes more on how bad it actually is down there on the border.
The crime that was there in front of my nose almost every time I
turned around with the interdiction of about 180 pounds of marijuana on
one afternoon, and later in the afternoon, I went to a port of entry.
And there on the Mexican side of the border there, I don't know if it
was a drug deal that went sour there, but there was an interdiction.
They brought one of the Mexican nationals that had been stabbed in the
liver, and they brought him across the border in a Mexican ambulance,
and we air-lifted him out to Tucson and saved his life. You and me, as
taxpayers, we paid for that, and we pay for that on a daily basis.
Down there, at just that one port of entry, they get four of those a
quarter, generally gunshot victims and, not as often, a knifing. So
about 16 a year just at one small port of entry, with only about 180
vehicles going through it a year, which gives you an idea of how bad it
is at the rest of the border, Mr. Speaker.
So I am for sealing this border, and I am for shutting off the jobs
magnet, and I am for eliminating the birthright to citizenship. But
shutting off this border is not going to happen with the 11,000 people
a day, 4 million a year pouring across that southern border.
So what I have done, Mr. Speaker, is I have designed a concrete wall
to go down on the border. I would put it 60 feet on the north side of
the actual borderline, so we could have a barrier fence right on the
line, and then I would put the border fence, the border wall back about
60 feet, and we can top it with concertina wire, and I am going to
demonstrate just exactly how I want to go about building that.
This cardboard box, Mr. Speaker, represents the desert in Arizona,
New Mexico, Southern California or Texas. Some will argue that is not
all desert down there, and it is not. But looking at this on the end,
one can see that this is just a trench cut through the floor of the
desert. Most of that is flat ground down there. Yes, there are rocks,
and there is tough terrain in many of those places, but there are
hundreds and hundreds of miles that lay out smooth and flat and without
a lot of rocks in it and this ought to work pretty good.
We have a company that can build a machine, and that won't even be
one of their biggest challenges, that can set in and drop in a trencher
and slipform a concrete footing all in one operation. This is what I
have designed.
This would represent that footing, and it would drop in the ground 5
feet deep. Here is a slot we would put precast panels in, and I will
demonstrate that in a minute. But this concrete footing would be poured
in right behind the trencher in a slipform fashion. And as you pull
that in, an operation you might visualize like this, and as you
establish this footing in place, it would sit here in the desert. The
earth would go up to just about the top of this.
This would be about 12 inches thick, this portion of the footing
here. You would have concrete in the ground at least 5 feet. It would
look like this from the side, and then you would just simply go to
work, picking off your truck that has delivered precast concrete
panels. These panels would be 13 feet, 6 inches long. You would pick
them up with a crane and drop them in something like this. You pick up
the next one and drop it in something like that. And you just continue.
Once the footing is poured, it doesn't take a lot of time and it
doesn't take particularly a lot of skill to install the precast panels,
Mr. Speaker. They look like that, and the last section like that.
Now, you can see what I have here is a concrete wall that is 12 feet
high and it goes down underground a good 5 feet. It has 6-inch thick
concrete panels on top. It will have a roll of concertina wire on top,
at least one, maybe two. We can put really any kind of fixtures on top
here that we like and affix them to this concrete. If we want to do
infrared or a camera setup, if we want to do vibration and motion
sensors along this wall, we can do all of that.
But I think, for the most part, once we get the wire on top, they
aren't going to want to test this wall, Mr. Speaker. They are just
going to look at that and say, well, now they have built a wall I can't
get over very easily, so I am going to go try to find something else.
But we need to put this in place where we have the most human traffic
as fast as we can. It needs to be something that will stand up to the
weather, something that doesn't rust out, something that is cheaper
than the steel. If you buy that new steel, the steel prices have gotten
too high. This concrete is substantially cheaper than the steel. And
the construction of it is fairly easy. If you can slipform a footing,
as I have demonstrated, it is very easy to set up these concrete
panels.
A little company like I used to own before I came to this Congress
and my son operates today could set a mile of this in a day pretty
easily. You could move along pretty well. And there wouldn't be just
one crew out there along that desert, and you wouldn't do 2,000 miles
all in the same operation, Mr. Speaker. But this is a simple
demonstration of what can be done with a rational approach.
We are spending $8 billion on 2,000 miles. That is $4 million a mile.
Now, if you pay me $4 million for a mile of that desert down there and
say, guard that mile, Mr. King, I would say, for $4 million, you would
not get a cockroach across that border. We can put a barrier in place
so that humanity doesn't get across the border, and that will stop the
lion's share, at least 90 percent of the human traffic going across.
There are $60 billion worth of illegal drugs pouring across the
border and much of it in the form of 50-pound backpacks that get tossed
through the fence. They climb through and put the pack on their back
and walk 20 miles through the desert to a pickup location.
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You cannot stop that with a vehicle barrier or with a fence. You can
only stop it with a wall.
Sure, they can dig under the fence, but we are going to be checking
this and monitoring and patrolling it, and you will not have them
tunneling underneath it in the desert where they have no place to hide
the dirt pile. That will only happen in the urban areas where they can
come up inside of a building and hide their dirt pile.
So this works very well for the vast stretches of the desert. Many of
those areas they are not crossing very intensively at this point. They
will. As we close this wall in, they will.
Somebody who knows something about the southern border and has been
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articulate in his response and firm in his stance, and this is a time
for courage and conviction. This is a time to stand up for the
Constitution, the rule of law and for the future of America and stand
up for Americans who respect that rule of law.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to Mr. Rohrabacher from California.
Mr. ROHRABACHER. I want to thank you for the leadership you have been
providing here. There have only been a few of us speaking up on this
issue over the years. You have been a voice for reason and a patriotic
voice, and there is nothing wrong with patriotism and believing in the
United States of America and wanting to protect our people.
You have demonstrated today that we can control the border. There are
between 15 and 20 million illegal aliens in our country. This is a
dramatic threat to the well-being and security of our people. The
education, the health care, the criminal justice system that is there
to protect us, all are in the process of breaking down. You can see it
in the Southwest in particular, but if we do not correct the situation,
it will quickly spread to the rest of the country, and many of our
friends in other States can see it happening in their States.
The wages of working Americans have been bid down, and less fortunate
Americans have been knocked right out of their meager jobs as a result
of this massive influx of illegals into our country. It is hurting the
American people.
Just as alarming is the potential threat of 15 to 20 million illegals
residing in our country. What potential threat? Well, one out of four
of the prisoners of California's prisons are illegal, illegal
immigrants. They have been convicted for murder, rape, and armed
robbery. They are members of gangs. They deal in drugs and violence.
And they should not even be here in this country. Our jails are
bursting at the seams, and the criminal justice system is breaking down
in California.
But, since 9/11, we are supposed to have been more committed to
protecting America against threats like this. If not, at least against
threats like terrorists. But for the last 3 years since 9/11, millions
of people have crossed our border because we do not have the
precautions that the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. King) has demonstrated we
could have. Millions of people have crossed the border, and crossed the
border from Canada, as well as come into our country with visas and
have overstayed their visas.
How many people who have crossed the border illegally are al Qaeda
terrorists? We do not even know. But we know that al Qaeda has pledged
to take as long as it takes to come here and kill Americans by the
thousands. Yet our government, this administration, yes, and the last
administration before it, has done nothing to protect the United States
of America from this obvious threat of having thousands, tens of
thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of people coming into our
country, and we do not know who they are. If even 1 percent mean to do
us harm, we are in great jeopardy.
Well, let us note that the people crossing the border, and with this
many people crossing the border it does represent a monstrous threat.
But it is not just crossing the border. That is about 20 percent of the
illegals in our country are here why, because they have overstayed
their visa.
I held a hearing in my subcommittee, the Oversight Investigation
Subcommittee which I am the chairman of, and we found about 4 million
illegals in this country out of the 20 million have come here with
visas and overstayed their visas. That has to be dealt with.
Again, there has been nothing done to try to change the system to
prevent people from crossing the border or to fix the visa system, both
of which are elements of our society that need fixing and have been
neglected. In many cases, we have an administration making decisions
not to do things that will solve the problem.
Well, what we have here is, of course, people streaming into the
country. Well, the border alone is not the issue. Weak borders do not
cause them to flow here. There are weak borders into other countries,
but people are not flowing into those countries.
The reason why we need this kind of protection is because our
government is offering jobs and benefits to those illegals who can
manage to get to our country. If on this side of the fence we tell
people on that side of the fence if they can get across, we are going
to provide them with jobs and a treasure house of benefits, this fence
has got to be a lot stronger than anyone can imagine.
The real solution is this fence, coupled with a cutoff of the jobs
and benefits that we give to illegals which attract them over these
barriers. If we do not do that, it is not going to work. When the
President says he is going to send so many thousand troops down to the
border, I guess National Guard troops, whatever benefit that will have
will be totally overwhelmed if the President continues a policy that
will permit these people to have jobs and benefits here.
Why would they not come here for jobs and benefits when they are
poor? Most of these people are good people, but we cannot afford to
have millions upon millions of good people coming here, much less the
threat of al Qaeda and the terrorists I just talked about.
One of the reasons why so many people are here today is also because,
in 1986, our government granted amnesty to those 3 million people who
were illegally in the country at that time. If we grant another
amnesty, and amnesty is nothing more than legalizing the status of
someone who is here illegally, if we do that, we will have another
massive flood. It has resulted in 15 to 20 million illegals.
If we have another legalization of status, I don't care what kind of
fence we build, what we are going to have is 40 million illegals here
within a decade or two.
This problem, to be solved, has to get rid of the magnet, and that is
the jobs and benefits that we give to people throughout the world. And
any legalizing of status will make the situation worse.
What has happened, what we have had, of course, is American
government turning a blind eye to those people coming across the
border, a blind eye to people giving them jobs, and even a blind eye to
the regulations that would keep them from draining the scarce resources
we have in our country away from our own people to provide education,
health care, food, and housing to illegals rather than that money going
to our own people.
Our government is supposed to be watching out for our people, and the
government officials have turned a blind eye to this, and now they act
surprised that so many people have come here.
The American people now know that this is a threat to their well-
being. The American people are aware that something has to happen. But
why isn't something happening? Why is there so much confusion in
Washington?
That is because powerful forces are at work in Washington to prevent
our government, the people who make decisions, the people who work with
Mr. King and myself, the people who work in the executive branch, we
have powerful interest groups at work here. Who are these groups? We
have a business community that wants to bid down labor. They want cheap
labor, and they are willing to basically destroy the essence of America
in order to get cheap labor here.
Number two, there are people on the liberal left who want political
pawns. They want millions of people here who are dependent on
government programs so they can go right back to their Tammany Hall
roots. This is their tradition of getting people dependent on
government programs so they will give them power through the vote. They
want political pawns, the liberal left; and the business community
wants lower wages.
These are powerful interest groups that are at play right now and are
preventing us from coming up to a solution to this horrible threat to
America.
The U.S. Senate has passed a bill. Mr. King just referred to it. But
that bill is not an illegal immigration bill. It does not even
strengthen the borders. That bill would make illegal immigration worse.
Anyone suggesting that they are for the Senate bill are telling the
American people that they want to make the illegal immigration worse.
They want more foreigners to come here because they are willing to,
what, continue giving all of the jobs and benefits to illegals.
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They, in fact, have guaranteed in the Senate bill education benefits
for illegals. They have in fact given them better work guarantees, that
you cannot fire them without cause, as opposed to Americans who can be
fired without cause.
The Senate bill is wrapped around one center core, and that core is a
guest worker program. That guest worker program is nothing more or less
than amnesty because it includes legalizing the status of illegals in
our country. That Senate bill, number one, will give these benefits.
By the way, the Senate voted to make illegal immigrants eligible for
Social Security. Wake up, America. Your United States Senate just voted
to give illegal immigrants, make them eligible for Social Security.
What kind of draw will that be? Hundreds of millions of desperate
people with no pensions throughout the world will do anything to get
over this fence if they are going to get a pension like we give our own
people.
By the way, the Social Security system is not just a pension system.
It is also a survivor's benefit system. Now who is going to game that?
What can you expect? Someone comes here. They are part of the Social
Security system, and even if they do go home and all of a sudden
someone declares they are dead, or maybe they do die, and we get the
note from the coroner that says Mr. So-and-so died. He was part of the
Social Security system there. His survivors are his five children.
Please start sending the Social Security checks to his five children
until they are 18 years old.
If the Senate bill is passed and if those Senators who voted for it,
we will be spending billions of dollars in sending checks overseas for
survivor benefits for people who managed to get into the Social
Security system. This is an outrage. The Senate bill needs to be
defeated. We have the option, and I will leave it at that.
We do not need to have a guest worker program. We do not need to
provide benefits. Our solution is easy: Build this fence so they cannot
get through. Cut off the benefits. Make sure no illegal is entitled to
government benefits and make it hard for them to get a job and they
will go home.
Anyone who claims we have to have massive deportation, that is the
only solution, massive deportation or amnesty, that is a disingenuous
argument. No, we can reverse the trend and after a few years illegals
will start going home because they have a tough time making it here.
Again, I thank Mr. King for his leadership. We can come at this with
a barrier. We can come at this by cutting off benefits, and we can save
America.
Mr. KING of Iowa. I thank the gentleman from California (Mr.
Rohrabacher) for his remarks and his commitment to this cause.
I wanted to point out that this concertina wire or razor wire on top,
we can put two or three or four rolls up here.
Then I point out that this wall does not speak about America. We know
that America is a magnet for people all over the world. It speaks about
the failure in Mexico. The failure in Mexico is what drives people
here. They have a corrupt society and a failed economy. They need to
clean up their act.
Vicente Fox needs to do his job down in Mexico, rather than coming to
the United States and interfere with the domestic policy of the United
States. That would be a violation of the law in Mexico, for someone
from the United States to go down there and interfere with their
domestic policy.
Their domestic policy needs improvement. They need to get the
corruption out. They need investment. And one day, when they clean up
Mexico, this wall will not have to be here any longer.
When they do that, we can tear down this wall. We won't need it. This
is a wall that can be torn down as easily or more easily than it can be
put up. The footing will be there if we have to put it back again.
Mr. Speaker, these are all solvable problems, but they are issues
that must be resolved for the benefit of the people of the United
States of America. Everyone's immigration policy should be designed to
enhance the economic, cultural and the social well-being of the United
States of America.
Mr. Speaker, that is what Mr. Rohrabacher is for, that is what I am
for, and that is what the House of Representatives is for.
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