[Congressional Record Volume 151, Number 118 (Tuesday, September 20, 2005)]
[House]
[Pages H8153-H8159]
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                       30-SOMETHING WORKING GROUP

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Westmoreland). Under the Speaker's 
announced policy of January 4, 2005, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. 
Meek) is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority 
leader.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, once again it is an honor to 
address the House. And I want to thank the Democratic leader, 
Democratic leadership, Democratic whip, and also the chairman of our 
Democratic Caucus and also the vice chair.
  Mr. Speaker, as we have been doing, week after week, and for now two 
Congresses, a Congress and a half, coming to the floor, sharing issues 
and concerns of the American people, need it be the 30-somethings that 
are out there, or young people in America, and those that are 
underrepresented in many cases as relates to their everyday lives, and 
so we take honor and privilege in coming here.

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  The 30-something Working Group consists of Members who are in their 
30-somethings on the Democratic side of the aisle. We get together 
every week and talk about the issues that are facing America. Then we 
come to the floor to be able to share with our colleagues some of the 
good things that we are doing and also some of the things that we can 
improve on.
  Mr. Speaker, I would just like to start out by saying now I have the 
gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Wasserman Schultz) on the floor here with 
me and the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Ryan) is on his way.
  I must say from the outset that I am very proud of the work that so 
many individual Americans have done in volunteering their time and also 
contributing to the victims of Hurricane Katrina.
  The gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Wasserman Schultz) and I close to 
our districts received some weather today from the ongoing system that 
we have in the gulf, but we pray and we hope that it weakens before it 
reaches the gulf coast area. And I would also add that there are so 
many unsung heroes and sheroes in this country that have done, some 
have done their job as it relates to first responders, others have 
volunteered their time because it was the right thing to do.
  As I said last week, we are in the first couple of minutes in the 
first quarter as it relates to the recovery of Hurricane Katrina. We 
are going to talk this week about many of the issues that are facing 
the people in the Gulf State areas and Americans in general. Because we 
have appropriated the largest supplemental appropriations in the 
history of the United States of America outside of war with the $62.3 
billion just as a down payment to start helping the Gulf States 
recover, Mr. Speaker, a couple of weeks ago and last week, I am really 
concerned about the Federal commitment to the South, not only in what 
we say but mainly focusing on what we do. And I am disturbed in many 
areas of how we are starting out on the part of what we do.
  Now, one may say, $62 billion, that is a lot of money. It is. More 
money than has been appropriated to any disaster thus far, and it will 
continue to grow because of the needs and because of the work that 
needs to be done. But it is one thing to appropriate. It is another 
thing to make sure those dollars go to the right, not only areas, but 
also it will go down to the people that are involved in the recovery 
process.
  We are going to talk a little bit about Davis-Bacon and the waiving 
of Davis-Bacon by the President. We will also talk about the issue as 
it relates to no-bid, no-requirement contracts that were given to 
companies that are participating in Iraq and that are under 
investigation on their Iraq contracts; but they were in the part of the 
group of big contractors that received contracts in the aftermath of 
Hurricane Katrina. And how does that play as it relates to sending a 
strong signal to the South and to the Gulf States that we mean business 
when we say that we are about them recovering.
  I would also add, Mr. Speaker, last week we took some action here on 
this floor. I personally voted against it because I felt that it was 
important that we have an independent commission look at what happened. 
And we are joined by a super, and when I say ``super,'' a supermajority 
of Americans that have said they want an independent commission to look 
at what happened and what did not happen and to make sure it never 
happens again.
  Now, not on the natural disaster side. We cannot legislate, we cannot 
stop natural disasters from happening. That is an act of God. But one 
thing we do have within our power is making sure that we govern in a 
way that the people of the United States, no matter where you are, that 
you will be protected and the government will not fail you.
  When I say ``government,'' I want to make sure that we do not get 
confused. I am talking about Federal. I am talking about State. I am 
talking about local. And in the case of Louisiana, parishes, 
presidents, government facilities that were opened, plans that were 
available that were not executed on all levels. Some of this we already 
know.
  Last week, I brought many of these publications to the floor. This is 
just a few of them. There are news reports and accounts of people just 
not doing what they are supposed to do. So we need to make sure that we 
do not fail the people that pay taxes, the people that woke up one 
Tuesday morning to vote for representation, that we do not fail them as 
it relates to being the stewards of the very government that they pay 
taxes to.
  I am glad, Mr. Speaker, this week to share the floor with my good 
colleague and friend of many years, the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. 
Wasserman Schultz). It is great being on the floor with the gentlewoman 
again.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Mr. Speaker, it is, once again. This is a 
regular weekly event for us, and it is an important thing we do. And I 
really enjoy spending the time with you on the floor and with our 
colleague from Ohio just trying to talk to folks in our generation. So 
often when I talk to friends of mine and neighbors and colleagues in 
the 30-something range, they sort of tell me, they scratch their heads 
and wonder, you know, most of the stuff you all talk about in Congress 
has no impact on my life.

  They really think, because what they are doing is they wake up in the 
morning. They get their kids ready for school. They get themselves 
ready for work. They get in their car in their garage. They drive out 
of their garage. They go to work. They pick up their kids, they come 
home and park the car in the garage again and start it all over the 
next day. And when you are living that kind of life, trying to balance 
work and family, trying to in many cases live paycheck to paycheck, it 
is very difficult to listen to the debate on this floor and understand 
how the things we do affect their lives.
  But if there is anything that we could do to show our generation how 
government impacts their lives and can significantly alter their lives 
or through inaction how it can alter their lives, it is the aftermath 
of Hurricane Katrina. Because we have so many glaring examples of what 
went wrong, of what should have happened and did not, and how hundreds 
of thousands of people's lives have now been turned upside down. And 
normally, I think people that are in our generation look at, and quite 
honestly, older and younger than our generation look at the victims of 
Hurricane Katrina or of any tragedy which is a natural human thing to 
do and say to themselves, you know, that is not me. That is them. That 
would never happen to me. I do not live in a community where that could 
happen.
  But the gross underpreparation and disregard for the potential for a 
Katrina to happen, I mean, substitute any potential disaster in my 
region of the country and there but for the grace of God.
  We have got to take the next step and help not just our generation 
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Americans understand what should happen for these Katrina victims now. 
They need housing. They do not need a lot of talk. Of course, they need 
sympathy and empathy. They need emotional assistance, but they need 
housing. They need roofs over their head. They need economic security. 
They need to know how it is they are going to get a job again, where 
are they going to get a job again. How are they going to get their home 
loans resolved?
  I was reading an extensive article today how you have banks that were 
in those gulf coast States that the bank was blown out, the properties 
that they lent money on are gone, the people are gone. So what happens 
to the transaction? How do they get the money back? What is Congress 
going to do to try to help put all that back together and sew it all 
back together?
  Then there is health care. We have to make sure that these people can 
go to the doctor and get well. Some of them were not well to start 
with. Some of them were the picture of health and no longer are.
  Finally, we have got to make sure that these kids, these thousands 
and thousands of displaced kids, get back to school somewhere and that 
the communities that they are going to end up going to school in, we 
are from south Florida. An influx of children the size of which came 
out of the gulf coast States is not a depth that our community could 
absorb. We are already in an overcrowded situation in our public 
schools, and so are many communities.
  So we need to make sure that the leadership in this Congress 
understands that those are the kinds of tangible things that we need to 
talk about and stop moving forward with an investigation that is 
basically turning inward on itself. We need the independent commission. 
Objective observers, experts, people who can be trusted because it is 
trust that we need to restore so that when this, God forbid, happens 
again, and, unfortunately, we know nature will cause yet another 
problem like this to occur, that we have the accountability in place to 
know it will not happen. And a partisan committee set up by the 
Congress with a majority of one party serving on it, whether it is our 
party or the Republican Party, is not the appropriate way to handle 
this.

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  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, this is what has been going on in this 
chamber for years, I mean, since we got here, since the gentleman from 
Florida (Mr. Meek) and I got here, and the gentlewoman from Florida 
(Ms. Wasserman Schultz) got here. Everything has been partisan. The 
committees have been partisan. Eleven-nine they want the oversight 
committee to be, which means basically the Democrats do not have any 
say.
  If you have the majority in the committee, that majority party will 
dictate everything that goes by an eleven to nine vote. We saw it 
happen with the prescription drug. We saw it happen with all these 
other ones.
  The bottom line is the committees that are set up now in Congress do 
not have proper oversight, do not reflect, I think, the will of the 
American people and I think ultimately do not reflect the truth of what 
is going on.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to just 
understand that we have the same thing happening. This is not a 
mystery.
  After 9/11 we did a little work. I tell folks all the time that we do 
work within the 30-Something Working Group. We do not come to the floor 
with the Debbie Wasserman Schultz-Tim Ryan-Kendrick report.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. These are facts.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. These are facts. We do not get in the back of 
the chamber and say this is what we are going to say today; this is the 
story today; let us look at who said what today in the paper today. We 
want third party validators, and I am going to tell you what is 
important here.
  We did a little work. We have something in the Congress, and I know 
many of the Members know. We call it the Congressional Research 
Service. These are the individuals that are in the Library of Congress.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Nonpartisan.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Nonpartisan, academics.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Smarter than us.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Very smart, I must add, and I am just glad to 
rub elbows with them. We have been spending a lot of time together. 
They have been coming over to the office.
  Today, we had a conversation, and one of the gentlemen from the 
Congressional Research Service said, Congressman, I actually had to 
wear a coat to work today to come over here. I thought that was quite 
interesting. I want to try to find a little humor within this tragedy, 
but at the same time it is important, and you have to look at history.
  I just want to make sure that Members understand, after the 9/11 
Commission, it is almost like the Congress protects or tried to protect 
itself as an institution. It is just natural. I mean, it is almost like 
if something happens that may be embarrassing to the Federal 
Government, we then circle the wagons and say we have to protect the 
institution, regardless of the fact that it may end up in that circling 
wagons and protecting the institution, when I say the institution, the 
Washington Beltway, the inside politics here, partisan politics here in 
Washington, D.C., we must protect ourselves; we need to protect 
ourselves.
  What do we have to do first? We have to have control of the 
situation, and so by saying that we will pass a bill on a bipartisan 
panel, you let the majority side tell you that it is bipartisan. We 
already said that it is eleven-nine, eleven Republicans, nine 
Democrats, and under this kind of situation, you are going to need 
subpoenas to make sure the people can come and testify.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. That is exactly right.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Under oath, and let it be known they are telling 
the truth to the American people.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. And so Republicans do not want certain people to 
testify. They have votes to prevent the Democratic group from saying, 
hey, we need to talk to this guy from FEMA or wherever, homeland 
security.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. It would be like if Enron executives or Tyco 
executives suggested that they would do the investigation on what went 
wrong with their two companies themselves, the corporate executives.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. We do not need the government to come in here; we 
will investigate it. You are exactly right. That is what is going to 
happen. It is going to be the same kind of cover-up and whitewash, get 
out the Brillo pads because we are going to clean this up. We need 
accountability and I think the American people want it and demand it 
right now.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. There is no question. The latest Washington 
Post-ABC poll found that 76 percent of the public supports the creation 
of a 9/11-type independent panel. When we say independent panel, let me 
just go down the history of what happened after 9/11.
  Basically what happened is that the Congress did what it is doing 
now. It said, oh, we will review this and we will get back to you in 
some months, do not worry, do not ask any questions. Even after 9/11, 
it was on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence level. I think 
the only reason why the Senate, the other body across the hall, and the 
House got together was that you had Congressman Porter Goss at that 
time and Senator Graham from the same State, and they knew each other 
for a number of years. They got their committees together, and behind 
closed doors, they had meetings. They questioned the CIA, and they 
questioned a number of other folks as it relates to what happened and 
what went down.
  There are a lot of honorable Members on the Permanent Select 
Committee on Intelligence here in the Congress, some that I know. Some 
are good friends of mine, but the bottom line is, it is not about 
relationships. This is about making sure the American people get what 
they need, not only the truth, but to make sure that we have the 
ability to correct ourselves. Let me just go down the line here.
  Then the 9/11 families, God bless them, came to the Congress for 
months, talking to congressional leaders. Two times here on this floor 
an independent panel was introduced in the form of an amendment because 
that is the only way as Democrats we can get anything to this floor. I 
must add in case some Members forgot, the Republican party is in the 
majority. The Republican leadership runs what happens on that side of 
the aisle, and I believe there was some good-hearted Republican 
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are friends of mine. We talk, we read some of the same newspapers. I 
come from some of the same area of the country, and they wanted an 
independent panel but could not vote for an independent panel those 
first two times here in this House. That is the truth.
  So when it came down to the amendment in the Intelligence bill that 
created the independent panel, the pressure from the American people 
and the pressure from those 9/11 families helped. Once again, I am glad 
they came up here and forced this Congress to do what it was supposed 
to do because we never would have had the outcome measures that we had 
with the 9/11 bill passing on this floor that has made this country 
safer, that has made it where agencies can talk to one another. It 
sounds kind of familiar.
  FEMA, that is a true, it is an acronym, but it is a four-letter 
acronym, and a lot of folks have problems with FEMA. I know the 
gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Wasserman Schultz) and I have a problem 
with FEMA as it relates to not letting our constituents being able to 
make claims. Their homes were damaged, too, and there are going to be 
problems in the Gulf States as it relates to that.
  So I am saying this to make a point. It took an entire year for the 
9/11 Commission families and Americans to get justice as it relates to 
getting a real independent review, and I am talking about the people 
from the White House, all the way down to the local government, and 
they came out and it was bipartisan and they worked with one another. 
These were past elected officials, some individuals that were 
professionals in the area of intelligence. We had governors on there.
  This is the kind of review that the American people deserve and the 
individuals that have lost their lives and the injured. We still have 
children now that are still missing. This is not lightweight stuff. 
This is heavy, very heavy. So it is important that we do this.
  I want to talk about Davis-Bacon when we get a chance, but I just 
want to make sure that we share with the Members that this is nothing 
new. This is what the Congress does. This is what they do. This is what 
we do. I am not a part of it because I voted against it, and I am glad 
that I did, not that I do not want to get down to the bottom of it. I 
know what the deal is. I know when I see the Potomac Two-Step, when I 
start hearing the music, I understand what is going on. I understand 
this is inside the Beltway. I understand there is a Republican 
President in the White House and there is some protection that needs to 
take place here. I understand there are individuals that will probably 
do things better under other circumstances.
  So, as we continue to move on week after week on the 30-Something 
Working Group, this will be exposed. The way when I am talking about 
right now, where we have on this paper will continue to be exposed to 
not only Members of Congress saying, listen, if you do not think that 
no one wants to say it out loud on the Congressional Record, we are 
going to say it out loud: Protect those families. They need the 
representation, to make sure we have the independent counsel. Fine, if 
they want to do the independent panel here. Whatever the majority 
wants, that is fine.

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  But we need an independent panel.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. And I think the 30-something Working Group is 
encouraging and 100 percent behind Leader Pelosi on this. We do not 
want to appoint anyone to this.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. That is right.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Why justify this? Why give some kind of credence or 
credibility to this nonsense that is going on? This is America, and so 
America should have 50-50. The Presidential election was about 50-50, 
and we should all be right down the line.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. And the gentleman is absolutely right, we are 
here to say it right out loud. I also voted against the partisan 
committee that was voted on last week.
  And something else we should address out loud are the ludicrous 
comparisons that have been made to other so-called partisan or internal 
congressional investigations. They are comparing the Katrina committee 
that was formed in the Congress last week to the Iran-Contra 
investigation. Well, there is absolutely no comparison. The Iran-Contra 
investigation was by a Democratic Congress versus a Republican 
administration, where clearly there would not be the legislative branch 
and the executive branch walking in lockstep. Clearly there was the 
accountability there when you have two different party leaderships 
running those two different branches of government. So that is a 
ludicrous comparison and makes absolutely no sense to use it, and it is 
disingenuous to use it.
  And to add insult to injury, and I also hope we spend some time 
talking about this, what the leadership in the Congress is talking 
about, as if it is not bad enough we are not going to really get to the 
bottom of why there was a serious lapse in emergency preparedness and 
disaster response in the gulf coast States, now, during the rebuilding 
effort, when we have all said and all Americans have locked elbows and 
said we will rebuild the gulf coast region and we will do everything we 
can to help them, and we absolutely should, what are they talking about 
here in the Congress? They are talking about massive spending cuts, 
including cutting the prescription drug benefit for our senior citizens 
in Medicare; eliminating it, repealing it, or delaying its 
implementation as an offset to paying for the reconstruction of the 
gulf coast States.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. I do not want to cut my colleague off.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Go right ahead.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. It is about priorities. Priorities.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Bingo.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. I want to say that out loud. And I cannot say 
we, because we are not a part of that, but the majority, the majority 
leadership, I will put it that way, and the White House, would much 
rather protect billionaires in receiving taxes. For instance, let us 
say that they decide to repeal this tax cut for 2 years for 
billionaires. Let us make a sacrifice on behalf of the country.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Let us roll back a piece of it.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Roll back a piece of it. So maybe they cannot 
buy another yacht for 2 years, but just hold it off for a couple of 
years to give us the money to be able to respond to not only the 
natural disaster but also as it relates to what is going on in Iraq 
right now. That is coming in. That train is going to roll in here again 
to the tune of $50 billion.
  Priorities. We would much rather take prescription drugs away from 
seniors. And I am smiling because it just seems like a bad dream. We 
would much rather cut the transportation bill.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. That is right.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. That is going to put people to work and allow 
local communities that have traffic congestion, to let that continue 
because we want to protect the few.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. I am sorry, we are all just champing at the 
bit tonight, but including in a region where the plight of over 100,000 
people after the hurricane was the result of their poverty. So now we 
are going to go in, and the second proposal for spending cuts as 
opposed to rolling back the tax cuts is to repeal or eliminate or delay 
massive transportation funding, particularly in communities where mass 
transit is necessary and the only way poor people can get to work is 
using mass transit. So they are victims of a natural disaster; and now, 
a few months later, we will make them victims of a congressional 
disaster.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. If I can say something here. We are taking from the 
poor to give to the poor. That is exactly what we are doing. My 
district is one of the poorest in the country, and they say they want 
to take the $15 million, which is not really a whole lot of money, for 
projects that are going to increase economic development in a district 
like mine, and I know my colleagues have some areas in the same way, 
and shift it to poor people?

  Well, what have the wealthiest people in the world or in the country 
been asked to sacrifice in the last 5 years? Nothing. Bill Clinton said 
he got four tax cuts. This guy makes millions of dollars a year. He 
gets four tax cuts in the last 3 or 4 years. This President needs to 
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my words carefully, the guts to ask his wealthiest contributors to pony 
up and actually help the country.
  This is not partisan. This is not about a particular insurance 
industry or pharmaceutical industry. This is about the country. Can we 
for once make a decision that is based on the whole country, blue 
States, red States, everyone included? We are all going to help them. 
We are even going to ask the wealthiest people.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. They have a name for it. They are calling it 
Operation Offset. This is their plan. They are going to come back here 
in a few days and propose Operation Offset, which is going to say that 
we are not touching the tax cuts. In fact, I will quote. I believe it 
is the chairman of the Republican study group, our colleague from 
Indiana. He said, we need to rebuild. We can find the cuts in 
Washington, D.C. to do that, I really believe that. And his proposal is 
to set aside all those additional highway projects and delay the drug 
benefit by a year. Those are just some of the proposals that are 
expected to come down the pike.
  Now, before I yield to the gentleman from Florida, I represent a 
district that is not poverty stricken. There are poverty stricken 
sections, but there are communities in my district that are quite 
wealthy. And I have people in those communities stopping me in the 
supermarket and saying, Debbie, keep my tax cut. These are people that 
need help. We need to make sure they can have health care and that they 
have a roof over their head. So there are people out there that benefit 
from these tax cuts that get it, so why do they not get it here?
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. And if we just had the leadership, my friends, to 
ask those people. It is not like the American people are not generous 
at this point. They have given everything, if you just ask them.
  And we are not even asking average Americans to give. We are just 
saying the top 1 percent of the people; $70 billion in tax cuts over 
the year, primarily to the top 1 percent. Will somebody in Washington, 
D.C. who has the hand on the lever of government ask these people to 
contributes to what is going on here?
  No, they want to come to Youngstown, Ohio, where 50 percent of the 
kids going to the school district in Youngstown live in poverty. They 
want to ask them to give up the millions of dollars in transportation 
money that will build a roadway to build an industrial park so that we 
can get jobs to help grow our economy so that people can actually pay 
property taxes and so that we can fund the schools so that maybe some 
of those kids do not live in poverty. They want to take it from us.
  And honest to God, honest to God, I raise my hand right now, if the 
President was willing to ask the top 1 percent to give up their tax 
cut, I would be willing to give up some of my transportation money. I 
really would. Honest to God, as much as it would hurt my community, I 
recognize the situation that the country is in right now and I would be 
willing to say, Mr. President, how much do you need? As long as 
everyone is sharing the burden here.
  I just cannot accept the fact that they are going to ask us to give 
up our money for poor districts and not ask the wealthiest people in 
the country. That is insanity. It is criminal.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Look at us. We are here on the floor of the U.S. 
House of Representatives saying that the President, the leader of the 
Free World, the last standing superpower on Earth, that he should ask 
the most wealthy, the individuals that are receiving unprecedented tax 
cuts, that we have to say, can we please ask for some of that money 
back, even though you did not ask for it?
  What happened to the leadership? It goes to show you what kind of 
government we have right now, especially when it comes down to the 
majority. We have to ask billionaires. Please, we are the Congress. But 
it is quite interesting, my colleagues, that we do not have to ask the 
elderly that are going to be delayed in their prescription drug 
benefits. We just do it. Or the majority just does it.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. We do not ask them.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. We tell them what we are going to do. We do not 
have to go out and ask mayors, Governors, people in local communities, 
like my colleague mentioned in Youngstown, and I am pretty sure my 
colleague and I from Florida can give similar examples of where to help 
our communities. Does anyone think the President is going to ask, can 
we have some of that transportation money back, even though I signed 
the bill?

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  I am not justifying all of the projects in the transportation bill. 
We know there are some issues within that bill. But this is the kind of 
America that we are living in right now. We are living in an America 
where on the one hand we are saying we have to ask the individuals that 
have, and I am not talking about the folks that are making $100,000 or 
$200,000 a year, I am talking about the folks who are making millions 
and millions a year. We have to go to them, head down, and say is it 
possible, if you will, please, allow us to have some. So that means if 
you are walking into a drugstore, that you are not going to be asked 
about your options.
  And I want to segue over to Davis-Bacon, and I want to give our Web 
site out so that we hear from some folks on this. We need some feedback 
here in Congress. We need some intervention on behalf of the American 
people.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. We need some adult supervision.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. It cannot be the water because I am drinking the 
water here in the Capitol, and I am not running around saying that we 
need to protect billionaires.
  I also want to talk about, and I do not want folks to get confused 
there were no recommendations; there was a bill dropped today by the 
gentleman from California (Mr. Waxman) and the gentlewoman from 
California (Ms. Pelosi) dealing with contractor fraud, making sure that 
the victims in the Gulf States do not become victims again, not by 
Hurricane Rita but Hurricane Washington, D.C. that is going to take 
away the opportunities that will come out of tragedy.
  And that is a very substantial bill, something that I can say from 
the Democratic side of the aisle that we have been putting out proposal 
after proposal, day after day. If we were in charge, if we were the 
committee chairpersons, if we had a member of our caucus that was the 
majority leader, it would not be a letter, it would not be a proposal 
on an idea; the American people will see action carried out and will 
give another voice in this perspective.
  Let me mention something about Davis-Bacon, and let me say the 
Congressional Research Service, I was reading in the newspaper, some 
Members of Congress on the majority side were saying they are concerned 
about Davis-Bacon because of the unions. Let us do ``operation 
clearup'' here. We had the Congressional Research Service look at that. 
I did not think about Louisiana as being a union State, nor Mississippi 
nor Alabama nor Florida.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. They are right-to-work States.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. That is what I am talking about.
  Actually Mississippi, quite interesting, is number 45 in the Nation 
as it relates to being a unionized State. Mississippi, union members as 
a percentage of employment, 4.2 percent. Wow, if we do not do something 
about Davis-Bacon, that 4.2 percent, that is going to suck up all of 
the money.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Those union dues, and let us make that quite clear, 
the argument against having Davis-Bacon involved in FEMA is that the 
money will go to union dues in those States. And 4.2 percent of the 
workers in Mississippi are union workers, and this administration is 
trying to give us a bunch of bunk that the FEMA money is going to go to 
union dues when only 4 percent of the workers are involved in unions. 
It is bunk.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, we get excited with third-party 
validators, and we come out with the truth, versus what individuals who 
may sit in the back of this Chamber asking what are we going to say 
today. Let me say this: Louisiana, the State where obviously a lot of 
this money is going to be spent, 6.8 percent organized labor. We have 
to watch out for that 6.8 percent.
  Alabama, a lot of jobs with municipal workers, 8.8 percent, not even 
10 percent of the workforce. So how in the

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world can anyone be scared of Davis-Bacon and the prevailing wage?
  Before I put this letter down, let me mention that Davis-Bacon, we 
talk about prevailing wages. These were two Republican Members of 
Congress who passed this legislation. Davis and Bacon were both 
Republicans. We all know that. They did it after World War II to make 
sure there was a prevailing wage and people would have an opportunity 
to support their families.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Please explain prevailing wage.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. I am getting there.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Sorry.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. This was during rough times in the United 
States. In Louisiana and most of the parishes, prevailing wage is 
$9.60. It changes from county to county, but mainly $9.60. Minimum wage 
is $5 and change, and is not a wage that anyone can say I am going to 
rebuild my house making minimum wage. But when Federal dollars are 
being spent in contracting, the prevailing wage is supposed to be in 
place to make sure that the worker, the individual that is going to 
work. And I am talking about fact, not fiction.
  On Sunday I flew with Members of Congress over Louisiana. I was 
speaking with the Governor of Louisiana, and she told us she wants her 
people to make prevailing wage. She wants to make sure that Louisianans 
who want to participate in the rebuilding of their State, that they are 
not cheated, that they are not left behind, that other individuals from 
other States or other countries, and I have to add that too, come in 
and take these jobs away from these people who are victims. Better yet, 
we are going to do wonderful things in the Gulf States, and this also 
is evident in my community, Miami-Dade County.
  Mr. Speaker, I think it is important. And the only way the 
proclamation can be overturned that the President waives the Davis-
Bacon requirement is through an act of Congress. That means both House 
and Senate would have to pass an act overriding the President or saying 
that Davis-Bacon should be reinstituted. Subsection 6 of Davis-Bacon 
allows the President in time of national emergency to be able to waive 
the prevailing wage.
  We do not hear any discussion about waiving the prevailing wage in 
Iraq contracts or Afghanistan contracts. It really benefits the 
contractor. I can see if it was something there that said if we waive 
Davis-Bacon, then we can save money. That is what they are saying, but 
that is not actually what will happen. Contractors will make more money 
because they do not have to pay the people who are out there punching 
in and punching out every day.

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  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. And, Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will continue to 
yield, it is important to understand that there is not the oversight 
that he talked about earlier tonight and we talked about last week; 
there is not the oversight of the contractors. We have got Halliburton. 
The same people that have been the contractors in the war, the same 
process, the same procedure, is the same thing that is going on down in 
the Katrina States.
  So we are taking the workers and we are saying they cannot make the 
prevailing wage here with 8.8 percent, even lower in some of the 
States, and then we are also not going to have the oversight of the 
contractors. So what are the contractors going to do? They are going to 
squeeze the worker. They are going to take the money without the 
oversight. They are going to get everything that they want. And I do 
not think that the American taxpayer is going to be happy with that. If 
people have got problems with this, give us a ring here on the 
Internet: [email protected]. Send us an e-mail.
  We are going to continue this discussion in the weeks and months to 
come because we are not going to sit by and let this administration 
steamroll the workers that want to go back and help rebuild their own 
community.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Do not leave the Congress out because we have a 
responsibility too, Mr. Speaker.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. We have a constitutional responsibility to make 
sure that this institution has proper oversight. Article I, section 1, 
this House right here governs the country, the people. And 11 to nine 
in the committee is not going to be sufficient. So we are going to keep 
the pressure on, and we are going to make sure that this administration 
adheres to the standards that the American people want, not what the 
majority wants.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. I yield to the gentlewoman from Florida.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Mr. Speaker, to stay on Davis-Bacon for a 
second, there was also some irony in the President's waiver because 
last year when it was 2004 and we were in advance of a Presidential 
election, he took great pains at expressing his deep affection for 
Florida and Floridians, talked about how important a State we were and 
made many trips to our State. Interestingly enough, he waived the 
Davis-Bacon requirements for Broward, Miami-Dade, and Monroe County in 
this last go-round with Katrina.

  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Make sure we clarify because I want to make sure 
that Members do not get confused. Under Katrina he did. But there were 
how many storms last year during the Presidential election that came 
through Florida?
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. There were four storms last year that came 
through Florida. Not one of them did he do that. And after Katrina, in 
a year that is not an election year, he waives the prevailing wage 
requirements in Davis-Bacon in three counties. Yet FEMA, his 
administration, has refused to reimburse and grant individual 
assistance reimbursement for people who had their homes damaged, 
looking through their roof at the sky that were victims in Florida of 
Hurricane Katrina.
  If they are not going to reimburse people and they are going to have 
to rebuild themselves or be left out in the cold and not rebuild at 
all, then what is the burning need to waive Davis-Bacon and the 
prevailing wage requirements in those counties? I guess only to help 
contractors, only to ensure that whatever building is going on is going 
to put as much money in the pocket of a contractor and workers be 
dammed because they really do not matter anyway because it is not an 
election year.
  I mean, the way that we can ensure that we prevent this fraud and 
abuse in contracting is stop the sweetheart deals, stop the monopoly 
contracts, make sure that we have some bidding and responsible bidding 
so that we know that the contractors that can actually do the work for 
a responsible amount of money are the ones that get the contract.
  We have a funeral and cemetery company that got a contract, a no-bid 
contract, in Louisiana to bury and, I guess, deal with the bodies, and 
there are so many of them; and this is the same company that was 
prosecuted for throwing bodies into the forest of a cemetery in West 
Palm Beach, Florida. Prosecuted. Buried people in the same grave, moved 
bodies from one grave to another. This is the kind of track record this 
company has, and now they have been given a sole-source contract in 
Louisiana. I mean is it not time that we stop the madness in giveaways 
that this administration has been in lockstep involvement in trying to 
help corporations as opposed to real people since the day that they 
walked into the White House?
  I mean, our legislation that was introduced by the gentleman from 
California (Mr. Waxman) and the gentlewoman from California (Ms. 
Pelosi) today would do several extremely important things. One is it 
would establish an independent commission to prevent fraud and abuse. I 
mean, that is essential. We have to have some reviews of the process. 
We have to review contract awards to ensure that the Federal Government 
is complying with the competition requirements that there are. I mean, 
the implication of potential payoffs is just rampant without that type 
of review.
  We have to review whether contract awards are based on merit as 
opposed to relationships between awardees and Federal Government 
officials. I do not know if it is any coincidence, but the Vice 
President is the former CEO of Halliburton; and I would love to see how 
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gotten. I am sure there is no coincidence there. Nothing granted to 
Halliburton based on relationship with the administration. Right? Could 
not possibly be.
  Review in realtime the spending that is going on under ongoing 
Federal contracts to determine whether it is wasteful, whether they are 
actually doing the job that we contracted with them to do. In Florida 
there is a huge review going on over the private contracting that the 
government has been involved in because in almost every instance none 
of the private contractors are meeting their obligations. They are not 
meeting their accountability standards. Money is going out the door.
  At the Federal level, we deal in the billions. Billions. People do 
not have any concept. It is hard to get our mind around that much 
money. If we do not adopt an independent commission and start 
injecting, insisting, on some accountability, then it is mindboggling 
how much waste we are going to let go out the door.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, as we look at 
our constitutional responsibility as Members of Congress, it gives me 
no pleasure to be a Member of the 109th Congress, the highest deficit 
in the history of the Republic. I think that there is a real reason to 
have not only debate but also action as it relates to the deficit. And 
when we give irresponsible tax cuts, we spend like we are in the black 
versus the red, and we continue to spend. We cannot control ourselves 
and we are spending.
  Now, when it comes down to the reality of where we are now, that is 
the reason why people have insurance. That is the reason why folks save 
money. They save in a bank account for a rainy day. The majority has 
not allowed that to happen here in this Congress.
  On the Democratic side of the aisle, every time it comes down to the 
budget, it is a partisan vote. On our side of the aisle, the amendment 
comes down to pay-as-you-go. Pay-as-you-go. For every dollar we spend, 
we have to represent how would we pay for that dollar that we are 
spending, how would we reduce the budget at the same time we are 
passing legislation to spend Federal dollars. That is not anything new. 
I mean, this is what happens.
  So the Congress when the Democrats were in control, we balanced the 
budget. Balanced the budget. Surplus. The surplus is getting so small 
now in the rear-view mirror, we can barely see it. Not because of our 
doing, but because of the majority side.
  So it gives me no pleasure to be a part of this Congress, the highest 
deficit in the history of the Republic, because someday I am going to 
be walking around somewhere with a big hat on, fishing on a peer 
somewhere, and someone is going to say, you were part of the Congress 
in the 108th and 109th Congress when they just ran the deficit through 
the roof. What did you do? So I think it is important that we point 
this out.

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  Now, there is a good, healthy discussion; and we know that we have 
individuals that are living in large homes that are making very little 
sacrifice as it relates to the Federal commitment to education, to 
health care, to making sure our men and women have the equipment that 
they need over in Iraq and Afghanistan and other foreign lands, and now 
we have a natural disaster here in the country. Better yet, we have 
people that are saying here in the Congress, not only are we repeating 
what the Majority side is saying, oh, well, maybe we should ask, or 
maybe they should ask the wealthy Americans' top half percent, what 
have you, to give back some of what we have given them. Better yet, it 
is not carried out the same way as it relates to asking a senior 
citizen who cannot afford prescription drugs or asking a mayor or a 
State: the transportation dollars that we gave you, we want to take 
them back, or asking a child that is in an overcrowded classroom who 
every year, under the threat of losing Title I, reduced lunch, asking 
them to make a sacrifice; no, it just happens to them. That is the 
difference. That is the difference.
  I think the Members need to understand, when we start talking about 
the differences and say, are there any great ideas, there are a number 
of great ideas, and there will be action carried out with those great 
ideas, if we were in the majority, to bring about the philosophy of 
this Congress, of the majority of the Congress to go to the White 
House. And the real issue, when you start looking at responsibility and 
start talking about responsibility of this Congress, I think it is 
important for us to understand, and I keep saying the majority runs 
this House, and the minority, we try to make sure that the American 
people get what they need. We offer amendments on the Floor many times 
which are voted down in a procedural vote.
  But it is important as we close here tonight to let the American 
people know that there are amendments and there have been amendments 
here in the House and on the other side of the Rotunda, and this 
Congress that has been offered to create an independent commission to 
make sure that we never, ever have to go through what we are going 
through again, not only the natural disaster issue, but on a governance 
issue. Now, because of a lack of governance, a lack of follow-through, 
a lack of oversight, $200 billion is on the horizon of the Federal tax 
dollar going to the Gulf States, rightfully so; guess what? If we were 
on our j-o-b on the oversight, if the State government was on their j-
o-b as it relates to the oversight, if the levee board down in New 
Orleans and the parishes in the area were on their j-o-b, then maybe, 
just maybe, we would not be spending $200 billion. And the $200 
billion, the way the majority would have it, will affect every man, 
woman, and child, individuals that are not billionaires. But, better 
yet, the majority is proposing with a straight face, with a straight 
face that we should bring about cuts for every-day Americans, but 
protect, protect those individuals that go and put their card in the 
ATM and do not even worry about how much money they get out, because 
they do not have to worry about it.
  So I think it is important. I am not here to say, well, you know, we 
need to do X, Y, and Z and every American needs to, we need to take the 
tax cut, no. Some of the tax cuts are good for working families. But 
when you have billionaires that we cannot even man up and woman up and 
leader up, and we are not even willing to go see the wizard to get some 
courage, we are saying, we are going to ask them to give back some of 
the money that we have given them that they did not even ask for.
  So I think this debate may very well be healthy, and I hope that the 
American people see exactly what is going on here in Washington, D.C., 
and I hope that some individuals that look at this entire situation say 
to themselves, hey, I am a Democrat and I disagree with that, or hey, I 
am a Republican and I disagree with that; or I am an independent and I 
disagree with that; or I am not even registered to vote, but I disagree 
with that, but I am going to get involved. Because we need the kind of 
representation here in Washington, D.C. that is going to protect the 
country, not just a few individuals, that is going to make sure that we 
do not waive Davis-Bacon and prevailing wage, to make sure that victims 
that swam and were clinging on to their roof, in the attic, had to 
leave some of their family members in the attic who died, behind, for 
the sake of making sure that contractors, of all people, get their just 
due out of the contract.
  So I think it is important that this is very real and we need to make 
sure that every American understands what is going on, and is not just 
the minority side saying, well, they are not doing this and they are 
not doing that. We have ideas. We have proposed those ideas, you can go 
on the website and find those ideas. But, guess what? They will never 
surface to legislation unless we move in a bipartisan way and look at 
this. We do not have the ability, and when I say we, the majority of 
the Congress, the way it is operated, we do not have the ability to do 
it in a bipartisan way on this issue. It is evident. And we are going 
to continue to provide that evidence to the American people.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Mr. Speaker, as we have the last few minutes 
here, let us just recap what is not happening that should be happening.
  The American people clearly have indicated that they want an 
independent commission. They want a commission that is going to truly 
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again. Instead, they get a partisan committee created in Congress with 
an imbalance of Republicans to Democrats and Congress investigating 
itself. What are they getting? Instead of a bipartisan effort to truly 
rebuild the Gulf States, they are getting proposals to cut prescription 
drugs for senior citizens, transportation projects for people that are 
in dire need of being able to use that transportation and unclog the 
arteries of America, billions of dollars in proposed cuts in higher 
education, in college aid in the budget; only a couple of weeks delay 
in the reconciliation process, our budget reconciliation process which 
is also a round of cuts; a response from the Republican leadership here 
that the answer to their ballooning the deficit is to cut into the 
hearts of the people that need it the most.
  Mr. Speaker, at the end of the day, what we are proposing is an 
independent commission. We are proposing a review, a thorough review of 
the contracting process to make sure that there is some accountability 
in the way we spend these dollars. We are proposing housing and 
economic security and education assistance for the Katrina victims that 
need it the most. And I have to conclude by saying that we also have 
proposed passing legislation to ensure that all victims of Hurricane 
Katrina, including those in our home State of Florida, get 
reimbursement for the damage that they received, because they certainly 
are not getting that help right now.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I agree with the gentlewoman. I 
want to thank not only the gentlewoman from Florida, but the gentleman 
from Ohio (Mr. Ryan) and the rest of the 30 Something Working Group for 
doing what they do. We would also like to thank the democratic 
leadership for allowing us to come to the Floor again, Mr. Speaker, to 
not only share with the Members, but the American people, about what is 
happening here in the Congress. We passed out our e-mail address; 
again, it is [email protected].

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