[Congressional Record Volume 151, Number 35 (Sunday, March 20, 2005)]
[House]
[Pages H1700-H1728]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
FOR THE RELIEF OF THE PARENTS OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to the order of the House of
today, I move to suspend the rules and pass the Senate bill (S. 686)
for the relief of the parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo
The Clerk read as follows:
S. 686
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. RELIEF OF THE PARENTS OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO.
The United States District Court for the Middle District of
Florida shall have jurisdiction to hear, determine, and
render judgment on a suit or claim by or on behalf of Theresa
Marie Schiavo for the alleged violation of any right of
Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution or laws of the
United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of
food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her
life.
SEC. 2. PROCEDURE.
Any parent of Theresa Marie Schiavo shall have standing to
bring a suit under this Act. The suit may be brought against
any other person who was a party to State court proceedings
relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or
medical treatment necessary to sustain the life of Theresa
Marie Schiavo, or who may act pursuant to a State court order
authorizing or directing the withholding or withdrawal of
food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her
life. In such a suit, the District
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Court shall determine de novo any claim of a violation of any
right of Theresa Marie Schiavo within the scope of this Act,
notwithstanding any prior State court determination and
regardless of whether such a claim has previously been
raised, considered, or decided in State court proceedings.
The District Court shall entertain and determine the suit
without any delay or abstention in favor of State court
proceedings, and regardless of whether remedies available in
the State courts have been exhausted.
SEC. 3. RELIEF.
After a determination of the merits of a suit brought under
this Act, the District Court shall issue such declaratory and
injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect the rights
of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution and laws of
the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal
of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain
her life.
SEC. 4. TIME FOR FILING.
Notwithstanding any other time limitation, any suit or
claim under this Act shall be timely if filed within 30 days
after the date of enactment of this Act.
SEC. 5. NO CHANGE OF SUBSTANTIVE RIGHTS.
Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create
substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution
and laws of the United States or of the several States.
SEC. 6. NO EFFECT ON ASSISTING SUICIDE.
Nothing in this Act shall be construed to confer additional
jurisdiction on any court to consider any claim related--
(1) to assisting suicide, or
(2) a State law regarding assisting suicide.
SEC. 7. NO PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE LEGISLATION.
Nothing in this Act shall constitute a precedent with
respect to future legislation, including the provision of
private relief bills.
SEC. 8. NO EFFECT ON THE PATIENT SELF-DETERMINATION ACT OF
1990.
Nothing in this Act shall affect the rights of any person
under the Patient Self-Determination Act of 1990.
SEC. 9. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS.
It is the Sense of Congress that the 109th Congress should
consider policies regarding the status and legal rights of
incapacitated individuals who are incapable of making
decisions concerning the provision, withholding, or
withdrawal of foods, fluid, or medical care.
The SPEAKER. Pursuant to the order of the House of today, the
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner) and the gentleman from
Florida (Mr. Wexler) each will control 90 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr.
Sensenbrenner).
General Leave
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all
Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend
their remarks and include extraneous material on S. 686.
The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from
Wisconsin?
There was no objection.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of S. 686, For the relief of the
parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo. As the House convenes this Palm
Sunday, the Florida courts are enforcing a merciless directive to
deprive Terri Schiavo of her right to life.
Terri Schiavo, a person whose humanity is as undeniable as her
emotional responses to her family's tender care-giving, has committed
no crime and has done nothing wrong. Yet the Florida courts have
brought Terri and the Nation to an ugly crossroads by commanding
medical professionals sworn to protect life to end Terri's life. This
Congress must reinforce the law's commitment to justice and compassion
for all Americans, particularly the most vulnerable.
On March 16, the House passed legislation to avert the tragedy now
unfolding in Florida. The House bill, H.R. 1332, The Protection of
Incapacitated Persons Act of 2005, passed the House by voice vote.
Earlier today, I introduced H.R. 1452, For the Relief of the Parents of
Theresa Marie Schiavo. The Senate-passed legislation now before us is
identical to that bill.
Mr. Speaker, while our federalist structure reserves broad authority
to the States, America's Federal courts have played a historic role in
defending the constitutional rights of all Americans, including the
disadvantaged, disabled, and dispossessed. Among the God-given rights
protected by the Constitution, no right is more sacred than the right
to life.
The legislation we will consider today will ensure that Terri
Schiavo's constitutional right to life will be given the Federal court
review that her situation demands. Unlike legislation passed by the
Senate a day after House passage of H.R. 1332, the legislation received
from the Senate today is not a private bill. Also, and of critical
importance, S. 686 does not contain a provision that might have
authorized the Federal court to deny desperately needed nutritional
support to Terri Schiavo during the pendency of her claim.
Unlike earlier Senate legislation, S. 686 also contains a bicameral
and bipartisan commitment that Congress will examine the legal rights
of incapacitated individuals who are unable to make decisions
concerning the provision or withdrawal of life-sustaining treatment.
Broad consideration of this issue is necessary to ensure that similarly
situated individuals are accorded the equal protection under law that
is both a fundamental constitutional right and an indispensable
ingredient of justice.
It is important to note that this legislation does not create a new
cause of action. Rather, it merely provides de novo Federal court
review of alleged violations of Terri Schiavo's rights under the
Constitution or laws of the United States. Furthermore, Senate 686
makes it clear that ``nothing in this act shall be construed to create
substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws
of the United States or of several States.''
In addition, the legislation does not reopen or direct the reopening
of a final judgment; it merely ensures that opportunity for the review
of any violation of Terri Schiavo's Federal and constitutional rights
in a Federal court. As a result, the legislation is clearly consistent
with both the separation of powers envisioned by our Founders and the
weight of judicial precedent on point. As the Supreme Court held in
Plaut v. Spendthrift Farms, ``While legislatures usually act through
laws of general applicability, that is by no means their only
legitimate mode of action.''
Finally, S. 686 presents no problems regarding retrospective
application. As the Supreme Court held in Landgraf v. USI Film
Products, ``A statute does not operate `retrospectively' merely because
it is applied in a case arising from conduct antedating the statute's
enactment.'' Rather, the court must ask whether the new provision
attaches new legal consequences to events completed before its
enactment. S. 686 does not attach any new legal consequences to events
completed before its enactment; it merely changes the tribunal to hear
the case by providing Federal court jurisdiction to review alleged
violations of Terri Schiavo's Federal and constitutional rights.
Mr. Speaker, the measure of a Nation's commitment to the sanctity of
life is reflected in its laws to the extent those laws honor and defend
its most vulnerable citizens. When a person's intentions regarding
whether to receive lifesaving treatment are unclear, the responsibility
of a compassionate Nation is to affirm that person's right to life. In
our deeds and in our public actions, we must build a culture of life
that welcomes and defends all human life. The compassionate traditions
and highest values of our country command us to action.
We must work diligently not to not only help Terri Schiavo continue
her own fight for life, but to join the fight of all those who have
lost capacity to fight on their own. As millions of Americans observe
the beginning of Holy Week this Palm Sunday, we are reminded that every
life has purpose, and none is without meaning. The battle to defend the
preciousness of every life in a culture that respects and defends life
is not only Terri's fight, but it is America's fight.
I commend the other body for passing this legislation without
objection, and urge my colleagues across the aisle to join us in this
fight by passing S. 686 to affirm the sanctity of life and to permit
Terri to continue hers.
Mr. Speaker, I include for the Record a supplemental legislative
history on this bill and a letter addressed to me dated today from
Professor Robert A. Destro, who is the attorney for Robert and Mary
Schindler, who is next friend of their daughter Theresa Marie Schindler
Schiavo and is a professor of law at the Columbus School of Law in the
Catholic University of America.
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The Catholic University of America Columbus School of
Law, Office of the Faculty,
Washington, DC, March 20, 2005.
Hon. James Sensenbrenner,
Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary,
House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
Re S. 686 (identical to H.R. 1452)--A Bill for the Relief of
the Parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo
Dear Mr. Chairman: You have asked me to comment on the
proposed ``Bill for the Relief of the Parents of Theresa
Marie Schiavo'' (to be brought up in the House today, which
is the same bill the Senate passed earlier today) in my
capacity as co-counsel in the Federal litigation filed by
Robert and Mary Schindler on behalf of their daughter,
Theresa Marie Schiavo. On behalf of the legal team and the
family, we thank you and your colleagues in both the House
and the Senate for your efforts, and those of your respective
staffs, on behalf of Terri Schiavo.
Terri Schiavo's Federal Claims
This case has attracted worldwide attention--including that
of the United States Congress and the political branches of
the State of Florida--for two reasons. The first is that the
situation in which the members of Terri Schiavo's family find
themselves is a human tragedy with ``real-time'' life and
death consequences. The second reason is the one that brings
us before Congress and the federal courts. Terri's parents,
Robert and Mary Schindler, allege that neither they nor their
daughter got a fair trial in the Florida courts. Terri
Schiavo is the first incapacitated person in the history of
the State of Florida to have been involved in a ``substituted
judgment'' proceeding where there is a significant difference
of opinion over both the nature of her condition (i.e. ``Is
Terri actually in a persistent vegetative state [PVS]?'') and
her wishes (i.e. ``What would Terri say about continued
nutrition and hydration if she could speak to us today?''
Getting accurate answers to both of these questions is
critical. Not only does Terri's life hang in the balance, so
too does the Nation's understanding of how a society
committed to both individual rights and the rule of law
should determine the wishes of persons with severe brain
injuries. The Florida courts spent many years trying to
figure out what to do in such a case. Unfortunately for Terri
Schiavo--and for the nation--they did not apply the Florida
statutes that usually govern such cases. They created new
constitutional laws.
Terri's parents have alleged that the law created by
Florida courts in Terri's case violated both Terri's rights
and theirs because:
1. The guardianship court compromised his judicial
independence when the he appointed himself, rather than an
independent guardian ad litem, to serve as Terri Schiavo's
health care proxy.
2. The Florida courts permitted Terri's husband, Michael
Schiavo and his attorney to represent Terri's interests
notwithstanding the Florida courts own admission that his
interests were adverse to hers.
3. The Florida courts did not appoint a guardian ad litem
for Terri, nor did they provide her with counsel to argue and
protect her interests. The result was a situation in which
Terri herself had no assistance of counsel in a case in which
her life hangs in the balance.
4. The way the Florida courts applied the state's law and
constitution to incapacitated persons with severe cognitive
disabilities violated her rights under the Equal Protection
Clause of the Fourteen Amendment. After Terri's case, the
only persons in the State of Florida who are not entitled to
an independent judiciary and effective representation are
incapacitated persons who cannot speak for themselves.
5. The state court order for under which Terri's nutrition
and hydration is currently being withheld was entered after a
proceeding tainted by ``structural defects'' that call the
integrity of the entire fact finding process in to question.
As a result, we simply do not know either ``what Terri
wants'' or what her current medical condition actually is.
6. The state court order violates the standards set out in
both federal and state precedents that recognize the right to
self-determination in health-care decisionmaking. Cruzan v.
Director, Missouri Department of Health, 497 U.S. 261, 280
(1990) and Guardianship of Browning, 568 So.2d 4, 12 (Fla.
1990). Both of those cases recognize that accuracy, not
finality, is essential in any case where a guardian has asked
for a judicial decree authorizing the death of the a person
with a severe disability such as Terri's.
The Need for the Proposed Legislation
Review of Terri's federal claims by a federal court is an
essential step in protecting her right to privacy. We have
argued in federal court that Terri's federal rights were
violated by the state courts, and that her continued custody
in the guardianship violates her constitutional rights.
Generally speaking, such reviews can take place in only two
ways: 1) direct review by the Supreme Court of the United
States by Petition for Certiorari; or 2) a federal writ of
habeas corpus.
Because Terri will die within two weeks from starvation and
dehydration, the traditional option of a petition to the
Supreme Court of the United States is not an option. It
simply takes too long. We did try an emergency motion for a
stay, but the Court denied it on Thursday, March 17, 2005. As
a result, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler's only option was a petition
to the United States District Court for the Middle District
of Florida asking for a writ of habeas corpus.
Unfortunately for Terri, the habeas corpus statutes are
focused almost exclusively on prisoners. Getting the courts
to understand that people in Terri's situation are also
entitled to habeas relief is both difficult and time
consuming. On Friday, March 18, 2005 the United States
District Court for the Middle District of Florida dismissed
Mr. and Mrs. Schindler's attempt to get a fair trial for
Terri because Judge Moody believed: (a) that Terri is not a
``person in custody'' entitled to habeas relief; (b) that
Mr. and Mrs. Schindler do not have standing to argue that
Terri did not get a fair trial; and (c) that the federal
courts are duty bound to respect the findings of the
Florida courts concerning her wishes.
Because we believe that federal law is to the contrary, we
asked for, and received, a ``Certificate of Appealability''
from the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh
Circuit, which is currently considering our request that the
District Court give Terri and her parents a hearing on their
federal claims.
S. 686 (which is identical to H.R. 1542) is absolutely
necessary to guarantee a federal hearing of Terri's claims.
This law is absolutely necessary to cut through the
procedural barriers that were designed by Congress to make it
difficult to litigate the claims of convicted criminals.
Terri, however, is no criminal. She is a person with a severe
brain injury whose only ``crime'' is that she is
incapacitated.
Section 5 guarantees that this law protects only Terri's
existing rights under federal law. It neither creates new
rights, nor any power for federal courts that does not
already exist. This provision also resolves any problems that
I may have had with prior drafts of the legislation proposed
in the Senate. Since the law will not change any law already
applicable to Terri, it should eliminate any claim that the
law is designed to overturn either a state or federal
judicial decree, see Plant v. Spendthrift Farm.
Section 1 gives the United States District Court for the
Middle District of Florida specific jurisdiction to hear
Terri's federal claims. We believe that it has that
jurisdiction already, but Judge Moody disagreed. Since we do
not have time to appeal to the Supreme Court if the Eleventh
Circuit agrees with Judge Moody, we need this law if Terri's
rights are to be vindicated before she dies from starvation
and dehydration.
Section 2 resolves any questions concerning the right of
Terri's parents to argue in court on Terri's behalf. Judge
Moody questioned their standing. This bill eliminates that
procedural hurdle.
Section 3 allows the court to grant an injunction against
further interference with Terri's rights should we prevail in
our claim that she did not get a fair trial. This provision
guarantees that Terri will have the same remedies as a
condemned criminal.
Section 4 is both a ``sunset provision'' and a guarantee
that we have the time we need to bring her case to court.
Rest assured, the case will be filed as soon as the President
signs this bill.
Section 6--Terri's case has nothing to do with ``assisted
suicide'' or ``the right to die.'' This case is about one
thing: Did Terri get a fair trail?
Section 7--We read this as a promise that Congress will
give serious attention to the rights of persons with severe
cognitive disabilities. We applaud its sponsors for making
that promise.
The House Bill Does Not Violate Either Separation of Powers or
Federalism
I raised questions concerning the federal court's
unwillingness to undertake a review of state court
proceedings, not only because of the respect that federal
courts owe the Florida courts, but also because two cases
urge caution in framing private legislation. We cannot afford
to create a problem that would make this private relief bill
unconstitutional.
The changes Congress proposes to make in the House bill to
be brought up in the House today provide an even more
effective means that attempted by Governor Bush and the
Florida Legislature in ``Terri's Law,'' Laws of Florida,
Chapter 2003-418. Governor Bush has conceded that Terri did
not get a fair trial, and urged the Supreme Court of the
United States to review the proceedings in the Florida
courts. There is no violation of either separation of powers
or federalism here.
Finally, I concur with the legal analysis Chairman
Sensenbrenner will be submitting into the Congressional
Record regarding the constitutionality of the House bill to
be brought up today.
conclusion
We hope that this answers the questions that Members and
Senators may have. We thank you, once again, on behalf of the
family and on behalf of our client, Terri Schiavo.
Sincerely,
Robert A. Destro,
Attorney for Robert and Mary Schindler, as next friend of
their Daughter, Theresa Marie Schindler Schiavo.
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S. 686 Is Consistent With Supreme Court Precedent
Supplemental Legislative History of Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner,
Jr. For S. 686, For the Relief of the parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo
The bill for the relief of the parents of Theresa Marie
Schiavo (S. 686) does not create a new cause of action.
Rather, it simply allows a de nove review of ``alleged
violation[s] of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the
Constitution of laws of the United States'' in Federal court.
Further, S. 686 makes clear that ``Nothing in this Act shall
be construed to create substantive rights not otherwise
secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or
of the several States.''
Consequently, S. 686 does not ``reopen [] (or direct [] the
reopening of) final judgments in a whole class of cases [or]
in a particular suit.'' Plaut v. Spendthrift Farm, Inc.,; 514
U.S. 211, 227 (1995). This is because any final determination
made by the Florida courts regarding Florida State law will
remain final under S. 686 S. 686 merely requires that a
Federal court assume jurisdiction over the Federal law claims
of Theresa Marie Schiavo. Doing so for Theresa Marie Schiavo
is proper, as the Supreme Court in Plaut made clear that
``The premise that there is something wrong with
particularized legislative action is of course questionable.
While legislatures usually act through laws of general
applicability, that is by no means their only legitimate mode
of action.'' Plaut v. Spendthrift Farm, Inc., 514 U.S. 211,
239 n.9 (1995).
S. 686 also presents no problems regarding retrospective
application. The Supreme Court has held that ``A statute does
not operate `retrospectively' merely because it is applied in
a case arising from conduct antedating the statute's
enactment . . ., or upsets expectations based in prior law.
Rather, the court must ask whether the new provision attaches
new legal consequences to events completed before its
enactment.'' Landgraf v. USI Film Products, 511 U.S. 244,
269-70 (1994). S. 686 does not attach any new legal
consequences to events completed before its enactment.'' S.
686 merely ``changes the tribunal that is to hear the case,''
and it is entirely proper to have a Federal court hear
Federal law claims. See Landgraf v. USI Film Products, 511
U.S. 244, 274-75 (1994) (``Application of a new
jurisdictional rule usually takes away no substantive right
but simply changes the tribunal that is to hear the case.
Present law normally governs in such situations because
jurisdictional statutes speak to the power of the court
rather than to the rights or obligations of the parties . . .
Changes in procedural rules may often be applied in suits
arising before their enactment without raising concerns about
retroactivity . . . Because rules of procedure regulate
secondary rather than primary conduct, the fact that a new
procedural rules was instituted after the conduct giving rise
to the suite does not make application of the rule at trial
retroactive.'') (quotations and citations omitted.)
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. WEXLER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, for those of us from Florida, the heart-wrenching case
involving Terri Schiavo is not new. In fact, for 15 years Mrs. Schiavo
has remained in a persistent vegetative state. For 7 years the courts
and the State of Florida have heard, ad nauseam, arguments of both
sides.
There is this perception possibly that only one judge has been
involved in this case. In fact, 19 judges in the State of Florida have
participated in various legal proceedings regarding Terri Schiavo. The
State of Florida, through our court system, has acted deliberatively,
with justice and with due care. The State of Florida, through our
judicial system, has taken testimony from everyone in the family and
from everyone who knew Mrs. Schiavo that was capable of giving it. The
courts in Florida have received expert testimony from many of the most
prominent neurosurgeons and neurologists throughout the entire country.
The court system and the 19 judges in Florida have been unanimous,
unanimous, in stating that from the evidence provided by a standard of
clear and convincing evidence, that it is Mrs. Schiavo's wish that she
not be required to continue in a persistent vegetative state.
So I would respectfully suggest for those of us that take exception
to the proposed action by the chairman of the Committee on the
Judiciary and by this Congress that we stand in the shoes of Terri
Schiavo. We stand in her shoes, because what we are simply arguing is
that the will of Terri Schiavo, as found by the legal system of
Florida, which is the law of the land as of now, that her will be
respected and that her will be carried out.
With all due respect to the proposed remedy, in effect if this bill
were to pass what this Congress is designating is that the court system
of Florida will lose its long history of jurisdiction of this matter
and others like it, and the jurisdiction of the Federal Court will be
substituted.
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The majority would argue that this is a principal position. And while
I would not dare suggest otherwise, I would ask the question, if the
Florida courts had found in favor of Terri Schiavo's parents, would we
be here this evening? I suspect not. So it is fair to conclude,
therefore, that the reason we are here this evening is that the
majority is unhappy, objects to the decision rightfully reached by the
courts of the State of Florida; and as a result, the majority wishes to
undermine over 200 years of jurisprudence and a long history in this
country for respect for our judicial independence as well as the States
court systems and the jurisdictions assigned to it.
In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would simply suggest this one thing, this
is heart-wrenching for all Americans. Each American I believe tonight
and today has been searching his or her soul wondering how they would
react if, God forbid, they were in this position. But the issue before
this Congress is not an emotional one. It is simply one that respects
the rule of law, the rule of law in the State of Florida, the rule of
law which has involved the participation of 19 judges, all unanimous in
their view. Not a single medical piece of evidence has been provided by
anybody who has diagnosed or in person witnessed Mrs. Schiavo that has
said anything other than that she persists in an vegetative state.
And yet this Congress seeks to replace and substitute our judgment,
even though not a single one of us as far as I understand has ever
diagnosed Mrs. Schiavo, nor do we have the medical expertise to do so;
and yet we are willing tonight to replace with our judgment the
judgment of the most prominent doctors in our country and a court
system which has labored extensively to yield a just result.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman
from Iowa (Mr. King), a member of the Committee on the Judiciary.
Mr. KING of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairman for yielding me
time. I especially thank the chairman for his leadership on bringing
this legislation to the floor in the condition that it is in, and I
would like to compliment all the leadership in the House and on the
Senate on both sides of the aisle that have worked so hard and so
diligently throughout this weekend and given up their Palm Sunday
weekend to serve a very important citizen of this country and someone
whom we have an obligation to protect the constitutional rights of
Terri Schiavo.
She has a right to due process under the 14th amendment, and she has
a right to equal protection. She has a right to her day in court. We
look at the circumstances that took place in the Florida courts and the
continual appeals that we went back through and the relentless efforts
to end her life by her guardian, her estranged husband, who may have a
conflict of interest. And I look back into that to see what that might
amount to because it is always important to understand the potential
for the motives.
And as I added up these dollars, the settlement for medical
malpractice, $250,000 preliminarily and the court then ruled another
$1.4 million to Terri Schiavo and $600,000 awarded to Michael Schiavo,
that is $2,225,000 awarded in her behalf. Of that one can assume
approximately $800,000 went to attorneys fees and costs.
Now, additionally the court ordered $750,000 to go into the Terri
Schiavo trust account. Now, that was pledged to go for her
rehabilitation, her care, her medical treatment, and her tests. And
that was a pledge made by her guardian, Michael Schiavo. But of that
$750,000, these are the most conservative numbers that I can produce,
there was $486,941 that went to attorneys' fees to promote her death,
not her care; another $10,929 to Michael Schiavo for expenses; another
$55,000 to the bank for, assumedly, administrative fees.
When you do the math on this and shake this down, it breaks down to
this: approximately $2 million out of that $2.25 million against her
interests
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into the pockets of attorneys and into the pockets of Michael Schiavo
and into the pockets of the bank for administrative fees. Less than
$200,000 was committed to her care over all of these years, 13 or 14
years.
And I think this illustrates a potential for a conflict of interest.
She is not on life support, Mr. Speaker. She needs only a feeding tube
and the court ordered to remove the tube. And if it were determined
that her food and fluid were to be stopped, all they had to do was stop
adding it. It is a horrible way to die. She has been denied therapy,
and she has been denied treatment. It has been stated that she does not
show any electronic brain waves. She only had a CAT scan back in the
early 90s. She has never had an MRI. She has never had a PET scan, and
she has been denied treatment even for infection. And when they sent
her to the hospice 5 years ago, a place where a person is sent to die,
5 years she has been there, Mr. Speaker, and 5 years she has been
denied sunshine, denied even the ability to be rolled out into the
sunshine in her wheelchair.
Mr. WEXLER. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to yield the balance
of my time to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Frank) for purposes
of control.
The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from
Florida?
There was no objection.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as she may
consume to the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Wasserman Schultz), who
both as a Member of this body and previously as a member of the Florida
legislature has a rare commodity on the floor today, genuine knowledge
on the subject of which we are speaking.
Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from
Massachusetts (Mr. Frank) for yielding me time.
There are a number of things that I would like to correct for the
record before I begin. I apologize for not knowing the State that the
gentleman is from, but the representation regarding the care of Theresa
Schiavo by her husband as represented in the Chamber is totally
inaccurate. Theresa's husband, and I am quoting from the guardian ad
litem report, the independent guardian ad litem report that was
required by Florida law during the special session in October of 2003,
it says: ``Theresa's husband, Michael Schiavo, and her mother, Mary
Schindler, were virtually partners in their care of and dedication to
Theresa. There is no question but that complete trust, mutual caring,
explicit love, and a common goal of caring for and rehabilitating
Theresa were the shared intentions of Michael Schiavo and the
Schindlers. Despite aggressive therapies, physician and other clinical
assessments consistently revealed no functional abilities, only
reflexive rather than cognitive moments, random eye opening, no
communication system, and little change cognitively or functionally.''
And the gentleman referenced the percentage of the medical
malpractice damage award being $486,000 going to attorneys' fees and to
helping her reach her demise. That is also totally inaccurate. Also
quoting from the guardian ad litem report: There was a medical
malpractice case filed and pursued. Michael Schiavo and Terri Schiavo
were awarded $750,000 in economic damages. The economic damages were
put into a trust that was meticulously cared for according to the
guardian ad litem and which was managed by South Trust Bank as the
guardian and independent trustee. This fund was accounted for and
Michael Schiavo had absolutely no control over its use. Michael Schiavo
was awarded $300,000 for loss of consortium damages.
That is money that was awarded to him. There is not very much of that
left. And there is no truth to the accusation that he would benefit
financially from that damage award and there certainly was not $2
million in damages awarded.
Mr. Speaker, I submit for the Record the report of the guardian ad
litem.
[Dec. 1, 2003]
A Report to Governor Jeb Bush and the 6th Judicial Circuit in the
Matter of Theresa Marie Schiavo
(Submitted by Jay Wolfson, DrPH, JD, Guardian Ad Litem for Theresa
Marie Schiavo)
Theresa Marie Schiavo was born in the Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania area on 3 December 1963 to Robert and Mary
Schindler. She has two younger siblings, Robert Jr., and
Susan. Through the age of 18, Theresa was, according to her
parents, very overweight, until she chose to lose weight with
the guidance of a physician. She dropped from 250 pounds to
around 150 pounds, at which time she met Michael Schiavo.
They dated for many months and married in November of 1984.
The Schiavo and Schindler families were close and friendly.
Theresa and Michael moved to Florida in 1986 and were
followed shortly thereafter by Theresa's parents and
siblings. Theresa worked for the Prudential Life Insurance
Company and Michael was a restaurant manager.
About three years later, without the apparent knowledge of
her parents, Theresa and Michael sought assistance in
becoming pregnant through an obstetrician who specialized in
fertility services. For over a year, Theresa and Michael
received fertility services and counseling in order to
enhance their strongly held desire to have a child. By this
time, Theresa's weight had dropped even further, to 110
pounds. She was very proud of her fabulous figure and her
stunning appearance, wearing bikini bathing suits for the
first time and taking great pride in her improved good looks.
Testimony and photographs bare witness to these facts.
On the tragic early morning of 25 February 1990, Theresa
collapsed in the hallway of her apartment, waking Michael,
who called Theresa's family and 911. The lives of Theresa,
Michael and the Schindlers were to change forever.
Theresa suffered a cardiac arrest. During the several
minutes it took for paramedics to arrive, Theresa experienced
loss of oxygen to the brain, or anoxia, for a period
sufficiently long to cause permanent loss of brain function.
Despite heroic efforts to resuscitate, Theresa remained
unconscious and slipped into a coma. She was intubated,
ventilated and trached, meaning that she was given life
saving medical technological interventions, without which she
surely would have died that day.
The cause of the cardiac arrest was adduced to a
dramatically reduced potassium level in Theresa's body.
Sodium and potassium maintain a vital, chemical balance in
the human body that helps define the electrolyte levels. The
cause of the imbalance was not clearly identified, but may be
linked, in theory, to her drinking 10-15 glasses of iced tea
each day. While no formal proof emerged, the medical records
note that the combination of aggressive weight loss, diet
control and excessive hydration raised questions about
Theresa suffering from bulimia, an eating disorder, more
common among women than men, in which purging through
vomiting, laxatives and other methods of diet control becomes
obsessive.
Theresa spent two and a half months as an inpatient at
Humana Northside Hospital, eventually emerging from her coma
state, but not recovering consciousness. On 12 May 1990,
following extensive testing, therapy and observation, she was
discharged to the College Park skilled care and
rehabilitation facility. Forty-nine days later, she was
transferred again to Bayfront Hospital for additional,
aggressive rehabilitation efforts. In September of 1990, she
was brought home, but following only three weeks, she was
returned to the College Park facility because the ``family
was overwhelmed by Terry's care needs.''
On 18 June 1990, Michael was formally appointed by the
court to serve as Theresa's legal guardian, because she was
adjudicated to be incompetent by law. Michael's appointment
was undisputed by the parties.
The clinical records within the massive case file indicate
that Theresa was not responsive to neurological and
swallowing tests. She received regular and intense physical,
occupational and speech therapies.
Theresa's husband, Michael Schiavo and her mother, Mary
Schindler, were virtual partners in their care of and
dedication to Theresa. There is no question but that complete
trust, mutual caring, explicit love and a common goal of
caring for and rehabilitating Theresa, were the shared
intentions of Michael Schiavo and the Schindlers. In late
Autumn of 1990, following months of therapy and testing,
formal diagnoses of persistent vegetative state with no
evidence of improvement, Michael took Theresa to California,
where she received an experimental thalamic stimulator
implant in her brain. Michael remained in California caring
for Theresa during a period of several months and returned to
Florida with her in January of 1991. Theresa was transferred
to the Mediplex Rehabilitation Center in Brandon, where she
received 24-hour skilled care, physical, occupational, speech
and recreational therapies.
Despite aggressive therapies, physician and other clinical
assessments consistently revealed no functional abilities,
only reflexive, rather than cognitive movements, random eye
opening, no communication system and little change
cognitively or functionally. On 19 July 1991 Theresa was
transferred to the Sable Palms skilled care facility.
Periodic neurological exams, regular and aggressive physical,
occupational and speech therapy continued through 1994.
Michael Schiavo, on Theresa's and his own behalf, initiated
a medical malpractice lawsuit against the obstetrician who
had been overseeing Theresa's fertility therapy. In 1993, the
malpractice action concluded in Theresa and Michael's favor,
resulting in a
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two element award: More than $750,000 in economic damages for
Theresa, and a loss of consortium award (non economic
damages) of $300,000 to Michael. The court established a
trust fund for Theresa's financial award, with South Trust
Bank as the Guardian and an independent trustee. This fund
was meticulously managed and accounted for and Michael
Schiavo had no control over its use. There is no evidence
in the record of the trust administration documents of any
mismanagement of Theresa's estate, and the records on this
matter are excellently maintained.
After the malpractice case judgment, evidence of
disaffection between the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo
openly emerged for the first time. The Schindlers petitioned
the court to remove Michael as Guardian. They made
allegations that he was not caring for Theresa, and that his
behavior was disruptive to Theresa's treatment and condition.
Proceedings concluded that there was no basis for the removal
of Michael as Guardian Further, it was determined that he had
been very aggressive and attentive in his care of Theresa.
His demanding concern for her well being and meticulous care
by the nursing home earned him the characterization by the
administrator as ``a nursing home administrator's
nightmare''. It is notable that through more than thirteen
years after Theresa's collapse, she has never had a bedsore.
By 1994, Michael's attitude and perspective about Theresa's
condition changed. During the previous four years, he had
insistently held to the premise that Theresa could recover
and the evidence is incontrovertible that he gave his heart
and soul to her treatment and care. This was in the face of
consistent medical reports indicating that there was little
or no likelihood for her improvement.
In early 1994 Theresa contracted a urinary tract infection
and Michael, in consultation with Theresa's treating
physician, elected not to treat the infection and
simultaneously imposed a ``do not resuscitate'' order should
Theresa experience cardiac arrest. When the nursing facility
initiated an intervention to challenge this decision, Michael
canceled the orders. Following the incident involving the
infection, Theresa was transferred to another skilled nursing
facility.
Michael's decision not to treat was based upon discussions
and consultation with Theresa's doctor, and was predicated on
his reasoned belief that there was no longer any hope for
Theresa's recovery. It had taken Michael more than three
years to accommodate this reality and he was beginning to
accept the idea of allowing Theresa to die naturally rather
than remain in the non-cognitive, vegetative state. It took
Michael a long time to consider the prospect of getting on
with his life--something he was actively encouraged to do by
the Schindlers, long before enmity tore them apart. He was
even encouraged by the Schindlers to date, and introduced his
in-law family to women he was dating. But this was just prior
to the malpractice case ending.
As part of the first challenge to Michael's Guardianship,
the court appointed John H. Pecarek as Guardian Ad Litem to
determine if there had been any abuse by Michael Schiavo. His
report, issued 1 March 1994, found no inappropriate actions
and indicated that Michael had been very attentive to
Theresa. After two more years of legal contention, the
Schindlers action against Michael was dismissed with
prejudice. Efforts to remove Michael as Guardian were
attempted in subsequent years, without success.
Hostilities increased and the Schindlers and Michael
Schiavo did not communicate directly. By June of 1996, the
court had to order that copies of medical reports be shared
with the Schindlers and that all health care providers be
permitted to discuss Theresa's condition with the
Schindlers--something Michael had temporarily precluded.
In 1997, six years after Theresa's tragic collapse, Michael
elected to initiate an action to withdraw artificial life
support from Theresa. More than a year later, in May of 1998,
the first petition to discontinue life support was entered.
The court appointed Richard Pearse, Esq., to serve as
Guardian Ad Litem to review the request for withdrawal, a
standard procedure.
Mr. Pearse's report, submitted to the court on 20 December
1998 contains what appear to be objective and challenging
findings. His review of the clinical record confirmed that
Theresa's condition was that of a diagnosed persistent
vegetative state with no chance of improvement. Mr. Pearse's
investigation concluded that the statements of Mrs.
Schindler, Theresa's mother, indicated that Theresa displayed
special responses, mostly to her, but that these were not
observed or documented.
Mr. Pearse documents the evolving disaffections between the
Schindlers and Michael Schiavo. He concludes that Michael
Schiavo's testimony regarding the basis for his decision to
withdraw life support--a conversation he had with his wife,
Theresa, was not clear and convincing, and that potential
conflicts of interest regarding the disposition of residual
funds in Theresa's trust account following her death affected
Michael and the Schindlers--but he placed greater emphasis on
the impact it might have had on Michael's decision to
discontinue artificial life support. At the time of Mr.
Pearse's report, more than $700,000 remained in the
guardianship estate.
Mr. Pearse concludes that Michael's hearsay testimony about
Theresa's intent is ``necessarily adversely affected by the
obvious financial benefit to him of being the sole heir at
law . . .'' and ``. . . by the chronology of this case . .
.'', specifically referencing Michael's change in position
relative to maintaining Theresa following the malpractice
award.
Mr. Pearse recommended that the petition for removal of the
feeding tube be denied, or in the alternative, if the court
found the evidence to be clear and convincing, the feeding
tube should be withdrawn.
Mr. Pearse also recommended that a Guardian Ad Litem
continue to serve in all subsequent proceedings.
In response to Mr. Pearse's report, Michael Schiavo filed a
Suggestion of Bias against Mr. Pearse. This document notes
that Mr. Pearse failed to mention in his report that Michael
Schiavo had earlier, formally offered to divest himself
entirely of his financial interest in the guardianship
estate. The criticism continues to note that Mr. Pearse's
concern about abuse of inheritance potential was directly
solely at Michael, not at the Schindlers in the event they
might become the heirs and also choose to terminate
artificial life support. Further, significant chronological
deficits and factual errors are noted, detracting from and
prejudicing the objective credibility of Mr. Pearse's
report.
The Suggestion of Bias challenges premises and findings of
Mr. Pearse, establishing a well pleaded case for bias. In
February of 1999, Mr. Pearse tendered his petition for
additional authority or discharge. He was discharged in June
of 1999 and no new Guardian Ad Litem was named.
Actions by the Schindlers to remove Michael as Guardian and
to block the petition to remove artificial life support took
on a frenetic quality at this juncture. More external parties
on both sides made appearances as potential interveners.
On 11 February 2000, consequent to hearings and the
presentation of competent evidence, Judge Greer ordered the
removal of Theresa's artificial life support. The Schindlers
aggressively sought means by which to stop the removal of
Theresa's feeding tube. Most of the motions in these efforts
were denied, but not without apparent careful and detailed
review by the court, often involving hearings at which
considerable latitude was afforded the Schindlers in their
efforts to proffer testimony and admit evidence.
The motion and hearing process continued through 2000. Then
the Schindlers sought to introduce new evidence that was
believed to be of a sufficiently substantial nature as to
change the court's decision regarding the removal of the
feeding tube. The hearings and testimony before the trial
court leading to the decision to discontinue artificial life
support included admitted hearsay from Theresa's brother-in-
law (Michael Schiavo's brother) and his wife (Michael
Schiavo's sister-in-law) along with testimony from Michael.
The testimony of these parties referenced specific
conversations in which Theresa commented about her desire
never to be placed on artificial life support. The testimony
reflected conversations at or proximate to funerals of close
family members who had been on artificial life support. The
context and content of the testimony, while hearsay, was
deemed credible and consistent and was used by the court as a
supporting basis for its decision to discontinue artificial
life support.
The Schindlers' new evidence ostensibly reflected adversely
on Michael Schiavo's role as Guardian. It related to his
personal romantic life, the fact that he had relationships
with other women, that he had allegedly failed to provide
appropriate care and treatment for Theresa, that he was
wasting the assets within the guardianship account, and that
he was no longer competent to represent Theresa's best
interests.
Testimony provided by members of the Schindler family
included very personal statements about their desire and
intention to ensure that Theresa remain alive. Throughout the
course of the litigation, deposition and trial testimony by
members of the Schindler family voiced the disturbing belief
that they would keep Theresa alive at any and all costs.
Nearly gruesome examples were given, eliciting agreement by
family members that in the event Theresa should contract
diabetes and subsequent gangrene in each of her limbs, they
would agree to amputate each limb, and would then, were she
to be diagnosed with heart disease, perform open heart
surgery. There was additional, difficult testimony that
appeared to establish that despite the sad and undesirable
condition of Theresa, the parents still derived joy from
having her alive, even if Theresa might not be at all aware
of her environment given the persistent vegetative state.
Within the testimony, as part of the hypotheticals presented,
Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told
them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn,
they would not do it. Throughout this painful and difficult
trial, the family acknowledged that Theresa was in a
diagnosed persistent vegetative state.
The court denied the Schindlers' motions to remove the
guardian, allowing that the evidence was not sufficient and
in some instances, not relevant. It set a date for the
artificial life support to be discontinued, as of 24 April
2001.
The decision was appealed to the Florida 2nd District Court
of Appeals (DCA), and was affirmed in January 2001. The
requested appeal to the Florida Supreme Court was denied on
23 April 2001, one day before the
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scheduled removal of Theresa's feeding tube. On 24 April
2001, Theresa Schiavo's artificial feeding tube was clamped,
and she ceased receiving nutrition and hydration. Under
normal circumstances, Theresa would die naturally within a
week to ten days.
Two days after the clamping of Theresa's feeding tube, the
Schindlers filed a civil action in their capacity as
``natural guardians'' for Theresa. The trial court, in
emergency review, granted a temporary injunction and the tube
was unclamped. Michael Schiavo filed an emergency motion to
vacate the injunction. This led to the second review and
appeal to the 2nd DCA.
The 2nd DCA found that the intention of Florida Statute 765
with respect to matters such as Theresa's, is to help
expedite proceedings of the court when decisions have been
made by the bona fide guardian. The 2nd DCA also noted that
the Court had acted independently as proxy decision maker
regarding the removal of artificial life support.
In October 2001, the 2nd DCA concluded that the Schindlers
``have presented no credible evidence suggesting new
treatment can restore Mrs. Schiavo.'' The injunction was
lifted and plans moved forward to discontinue artificial
nutrition.
Fresh and exhaustive motions regarding new evidence were
again crafted and proffered to the trial court by the
Schindlers resulting in a lengthy hearing. Affidavits from
medical doctors and others alleged that Theresa's condition
could be improved.
In particular, the sworn statement of a single, osteopathic
physician, Dr. Webber, claimed that he could improve
Theresa's condition and had done so in like and similar
cases.
The quality of evidence in this affidavit was marginal, but
the court allowed it to create a colorable entitlement to
additional medical review. The case was remanded to the trial
court with the charge that each side would select two expert
physicians (a neurologist or a neurosurgeon, according to the
court) and agree between them regarding a fifth, and if they
could not agree on the fifth, the court would select it.
By May of 2002, the physicians were selected by both sides,
but no agreement could be reached about a fifth, so the court
selected one. Curiously and surprisingly, Dr. Webber, who had
served as the basis for this entire process at the 2nd DCA,
did not participate in the exams or the procedure.
Each of the physicians was afforded access to Theresa for
the purpose of conducting a thorough examination. Video tape
recordings were made of some of the examinations along with
segments in which family members interacted with Theresa. The
physicians were deposed and proffered testimony regarding
their findings. Written reports of the examinations were
prepared by all five physicians, and a very detailed hearing
was held in October of 2002.
The clinical evidence presented by the five physicians
reflected their examinations and reviews of the medical
records. Four of the physicians were board certified in
neurology, as suggested by the court, and one physician was
board certified in radiology and hyperbaric medicine. All of
the physicians had excellent pedigrees of medical training.
The scientific quality, value and relevance of the testimony
varied. The two neurologists testifying for Michael Schiavo
provided strong, academically based, and scientifically
supported evidence that was reasonably deemed clear and
convincing by the court. Of the two physicians testifying for
the Schindlers, only one was a neurologist, the other was a
radiologist/hyperbaric physician. The testimony of the
Schindler's physicians was substantially anecdotal, and was
reasonably deemed to be not clear and convincing.
The fifth physician, chosen by the court because the two
parties could not agree, presented scientifically grounded,
academically based evidence that was reasonably deemed to be
clear and convincing by the court.
Following exhaustive testimony and the viewing of video
tapes, the trial court concluded that no substantial evidence
had been presented to indicate any promising treatment that
might improve Theresa's cognition. The court sought to glean
scientific, case, researchbased foundations for the
contentions of the Schindler's physician experts, but
received principally anecdotal information.
Evidence presented by Michael Schiavo's two physicians and
the fifth physician selected by the court was reasonably
deemed clear and convincing in support of Theresa being in a
persistent vegetative state with no hope for improvement.
Simultaneous appeals of this decision and renewed actions to
remove Michael Schiavo as Guardian were initiated based upon
new evidence.
The June 2003 appeal to the 2nd DCA was Schiavo IV. The 2nd
DCA panel of judges engaged in what approximated a de novo
review of all of the facts, testimony and video tapes
presented at trial. The appellate court affirmed the trial
court's ruling and its conclusions, and in addition, ordered
the trial court to set a hearing date for removal of the
artificial life support.
The trial court set 15 October 2003 as the date for the
removal of Theresa's artificial nutrition tube.
The Schindler's renewed efforts to remove Michael Schiavo
as Guardian, and to disqualify judges, were not successful.
Multiple amicus briefs and affidavits from parties supporting
the Schindlers were submitted through the Schindler's actions
and in some instances, independently to the court.
By mid 2003, the landscape and texture of Theresa Schiavo's
case underwent profound changes. National media coverage,
active involvement by groups advocating right to life, and
the attention of the Governor's office and the Florida
Legislature, catapulted Theresa's case into a different
dimension.
The Schindlers, acting on behalf of Theresa, filed a motion
in federal district court seeking a preliminary injunction to
stay the removal of the artificial life support from Theresa,
scheduled to occur on 15 October 2003. On 6 October 2003,
Florida Governor Jeb Bush filed an Amicus brief in support of
the motion for a preliminary injunction. The brief argues
that removal of artificial nutrition, resulting in death,
should be avoided if that person can take oral nutrition and
hydration. The Governor predicates his memorandum on the
pivotal question as to whether Theresa could ingest food and
water on her own. That Theresa is in a diagnosed, persistent
vegetative state is explicitly recognized.
On 15 October 2003, Theresa Maria Schiavo's artificial
feeding tube was disconnected, for the second time.
The Florida legislature, in special session, passed HB 35 E
on 21 October 2003, authorizing the Governor to stay the
disconnection of the artificial feeding tube and required,
among other things, the appointment of a Guardian Ad Litem to
produce this report.
On that same day, 21 October 2003, the artificial feeding
tube was re-inserted per the stay ordered by Governor Bush.
Other suits and actions were initiated immediately the
governor became a named party in the matters involving
Theresa Schiavo.
I just wanted to correct some of those facts for the record, Mr.
Speaker. The circumstances that bring us here today are horribly
tragic. No matter where you may fall on this issue, the details of
Terri's case are heart-wrenching. No one in this Chamber questions the
pain, heartache, and personal struggles that every member of Ms.
Schiavo's family has had to deal with over the last 15 years. But
heartbreaking decisions like this are deeply intimate, personal, and
private matters; and the Federal Government and this body, in
particular, should not inject itself into the middle of this private
family matter.
This very personal matter should not be politicized as it is being
here today. Just a few hours ago, I had an opportunity to sit down with
Ms. Schiavo's brother, Bobby Schindler. I know that he speaks with
great sincerity as I told him about his sister. Indeed, it is important
to emphasize that this type of gut-wrenching, angst-ridden decision
happens every day across the country among families dealing with the
tragic circumstances of a loved one. And I know the pain that this
causes families only too well because it happened in my own family not
even 5 weeks ago. My husband's family had to make the identical
decision to withdraw sustenance to disconnect the feeding tube of my
husband's aunt.
Her children came together to make that very difficult decision, and
no one in my family felt it was essential that I or any other Member of
Congress file legislation to stop it. This type of decision happens
every single day to thousands of families across America. Where will we
stop if we allow this to go forward? Today will be Terri Schiavo.
Tomorrow it will be someone's brother or a constituent's uncle or next
week a family member, God forbid, of one of my colleagues or another
constituent.
Do we really want to set the precedent of this great body, the United
States Congress, to insert ourselves in the middle of families' private
matters all across America?
If we do this, we will end up throwing end-of-life decisions into
utter and complete chaos; and we cannot and should not do that. We are
Members of Congress. We are not doctors. We are not medical experts. We
are not bio-ethicists. We are Members of Congress.
When I ran for Congress, I did not ask my constituents for the right
to insert myself in their private, personal families decisions; and
they do not want me to make those for them. They do not want you to
make those for them either. That is the bottom line.
I cannot get into the kind of questions that we are getting into
being asked here because we do not know. I have never met Michael
Schiavo or Terri Schiavo or the Schindlers and the vast majority of
people in this body have not either.
We do not have the expertise or the facts in enough detail to get
into these kinds of decisions and make decisions on these kind of
cases. We are not God and we are not Terri Schiavo's husband, sister,
brother, uncle or relation. We are Members of Congress. We make
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laws and we uphold the law and we swore to uphold and protect the
Constitution and we are thumbing our noses at the Constitution if we do
this here tonight.
Now, I have heard a lot of things said about this legislation and
about the very proceeding that we are engaging in this evening. I have
heard accusations that because this body is debating this legislation,
we are threatening somehow the life of Ms. Schiavo. I think it is
really important to note that this is a legislative body created by our
forefathers for the express purpose of deliberations and
representation.
The accusation that because we have 3 hours of debate on an
unprecedented piece of legislation that seeks to insert the Federal
Government in between a family while overruling State courts and
circumventing the Constitution, that is an outrageous accusation and
not worthy of a representative elected to craft and debate legislation.
I notice today that President Bush has returned from Crawford hoping
to sign this legislation if it is passed by Congress. I think it is
important to note that President Bush when he was Governor of Texas in
1999 signed a Texas law that is on the books today that was just used a
few days ago to allow a hospital to withdraw, over the parents'
objections, the life support of a 6-month-old boy, over the parents'
objections.
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President Bush signed a law called the Texas Advanced Directives Act,
when he was Governor of Texas. This law, that has been used several
times and as recently as a few days ago, liberalized the situations
under which a person in Texas can avoid artificial life support. Under
it, life support can be withheld or withdrawn if you have an
irreversible condition in Texas from which you are expected to
eventually pass away.
Indeed, this law, signed by then Governor Bush, allows doctors to
remove a patient from life support if the hospital's ethics committee
agrees, even over the objections of a family member, only allowing the
family 10 days to find another facility that might accept the patient,
barring any State judicial intervention.
It appears that President Bush felt, as Governor, that there was a
point at which, when doctors felt there was no further hope for the
patient, that it is appropriate for an end-of-life decision to be made,
even over the objections of family members. That was a law that
President Bush did not just allow to become law without his signature,
he came back from a campaign trip to sign it.
There is an obvious conflict here between the President's feelings on
this matter now as compared to when he was Governor of Texas, so I
thought that was an important conflict that should be raised here this
evening in our discussion.
Let me just close my remarks by reiterating there is no room for the
Federal Government in this most personal of private angst-ridden family
matters, in which a family has to make the most personal of decisions
when dealing with the course of care of a loved one. We should not
politicize this very personal family matter.
Ms. Schiavo made it clear, as opposed to what the gentleman from
Wisconsin said, that she would not have wished to remain in a
persistent vegetative state, and the guardian ad litem report well
documents that. In fact, it documents it to such a degree that it cites
the specific conversations referenced by her family members when she
attended funerals of loved ones who were in similar situations when
they had life support removed; and she had stated that if, God forbid,
she was ever in this situation, that she would not have wished to
remain on life support.
The court heard that testimony not from Terri Schiavo's husband, not
from her parents, but from other family members and friends who heard
her say these things. They said that there was enough evidence to
render the belief that she had made those statements. She made it clear
that she wished not to remain in a persistent vegetative state, which
she is in today. And this U.S. Government should not step in to
circumvent the wishes of one dying woman.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Mr. Speaker, Federal courts have always reviewed whether or not a
person's Federal constitutional or legal rights have been violated, and
that is all this bill does. It gives a Federal Court the opportunity to
review the Federal questions that are presented here.
Now, if we accepted the position that has been made by the opponents
of this legislation, we would not have had a civil rights revolution in
this country if rural courts in the South decided Federal questions
that were opposed by those who were petitioning to have their civil
rights protected. That required Federal judicial action. And this
country is better because of that Federal judicial action. That is all
that is being proposed here today, and that is why the bill ought to
pass.
Now, secondly, I would like to correct some of the representations my
colleague from Florida has made. Terri Schiavo is not on life support.
She is not on a ventilator. She is not on any kind of artificial heart
pump. All she has is a feeding tube, or had a feeding tube until it was
removed 2 days ago, and that is not life support. That is simply
requiring somebody to have the nutrition and the hydration they need as
a living human being.
To starve someone to death or to have them die of dehydration slowly
is one of the most cruel and inhumane ways to die, and what this bill
does is it requires the reinsertion of the feeding tube for so long as
it takes for a Federal Court to determine whether or not her Federal
constitutional or statutory rights are violated. And that is
reasonable, because she should not be allowed to die while the courts
are determining what her legal rights are and whether anybody has
violated them.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. King).
Mr. KING of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Wisconsin
(Mr. Sensenbrenner) for yielding me this time.
I wanted the opportunity to address the issue of the funding that has
gone in on behalf of Terri Schiavo, and the report that I have put
together, I could easily add several hundred thousand dollars to that
that have gone towards attorneys and towards the interests of Michael
Schiavo as opposed to the interests of Terri Schiavo.
I would have a documented report that I would file with the
Congressional Record, except that the trust fund for Terri Schiavo has
been sealed at the request of the attorney on behalf of Michael
Schiavo. So, therefore, we cannot get those records. We do not know
what is going on behind the scenes. What we know is that she has not
had tests, she has not had therapy, and she has been denied medical
treatment.
The attorney of record for Michael Schiavo happens to also have been
a former member of the board of directors of the hospice where Terri
Schiavo is now being taken care of. And by the way, I happen to have
another piece of information that flowed to me today, a GAO audit
looked in on that and that organization paid $14.8 million back in
Medicaid fees that were inappropriately collected.
Another question we have is, we do not know whether there is a life
insurance policy that would name someone as beneficiary in the event of
the death of Terri Schiavo. The question has been asked of the guardian
several times, and he has refused to answer every time. So we cannot
even evaluate the assets or the intent of the guardian. Those issues
will be looked at by the court.
Another issue that should be addressed, and we will hear this
continually as this 3-hour debate goes on, is the allegation that 19
judges have reviewed this and 19 judges have concurred. I have put
together the full list of the judges that have heard the case of Terri
Schiavo in the history of this, and throughout all of that I can
identify Judge Greer, and I can identify a three-judge panel that heard
her case en banc, and I can identify the Supreme Court of the State of
Florida, which we saw perform a number of times in the year 2000, and
also the United States Supreme Court, which simply refused or denied
cert on the subpoenas last week.
So if we are going to count judges sitting en banc and if we are
going to count supreme courts in totals of 7 and
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9, that narrows it down pretty much to one judge that has seen and
reviewed all this case and that is Judge Greer. And I believe that
Terri Schiavo deserves her day in court. She deserves a de novo review.
She deserves an opportunity to be heard and an opportunity at life.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 6 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, it is never a good recommendation for a bill when its
proponents deny its plain meaning. The gentleman from Wisconsin said
this is not a private bill. Well, perhaps in the technical and
irrelevant terms of the House calendar it is not a private bill. It is
in fact a very private bill. It is so private that it deals only with
the Schiavo case and her parents.
And in an admission that it is not a very good idea, a provision of
this bill, really quite unusual, says by the way, we hope no one will
pay attention to this in the future. In legal language, that is, this
is not to be precedent setting. Well, if this is such a good idea, if
Congress acting as the super Supreme Court of Florida is the right
thing to do for Ms. Schiavo, why go to such pains, those of you who
wrote the bill, to say it should not be a precedent?
By the way, anyone who thinks it will not be a precedent, of course,
is not paying attention. What you will do today, if this bill passes,
is invite every family dispute of this terrible, painful, heartrending
nature to come to the Congress. When brothers and sisters disagree,
when parents disagree, the courts of the States will have no relevance;
probably the Federal courts will not. Every single dispute will come
here.
Now, here is what we are doing here, and it is not the Federalism
argument that bothers me as much as it is the separation of powers. We
have already heard debates. What was the fee in the legal case? What
about the hospice? Does she or does she not, this poor woman who was so
terribly hurt, does she or does she not have brain function? Does she
or does she not respond?
Nobody in here knows. Nobody in here has any way of knowing. What we
have are Members choosing a side based on their ideologies. There are
people who believe, in what is described as pro life, that nothing that
terminates a life is ever justified. In fact, people have said, well,
if she had said so, but many of those who hold that do not think you
have a right to say that. There are others of us who believe, and I
must tell you, from what I have read, if I were a member of the Schiavo
family, if a member of my family were involved, I would have made the
same decision. But I haven't made the decision. I have no right to make
that decision, and I have no information for it.
Separation of powers. When they wrote the Constitution, they were not
kidding around. They made some sensible distinctions. We legislate on
broad policy. When you get to individual ajudications, when you get to
the case, people have said, well, we disagree with the medical report.
We had the eminent Dr. Frist looking at it on television and making his
diagnosis. We have people making specific judgments about her wishes.
We have people making specific judgments about her medical condition.
We have not spent very much time on that. Judges have done that,
lawyers have done that, in adversarial proceedings they have done that.
Now, I know we heard a disparagement of the Supreme Court of Florida.
People did not like the way they voted 4 years ago, but what does that
have to do with whether or not the husband's wishes and wife's wishes
are carried out in this case? That is why we should not be making this
decision.
If you listen to the debate, this is confirmation of what the writers
of the Constitution did when they said separation of powers. Congress
deals with broad policy. Individual adjudications are made by judges,
with cases of lawyers and presentations and evidence. None of that has
happened here. You are asking to make a decision based on most of us
knowing very little, if anything, at all. Ideology is driving this, and
that is why we have a separation of powers.
This is not a bill, by the way. This is a court decision. What
happened has been that this has been very well litigated in Florida,
litigated on a number of occasions, with lawyers on all sides. Because
the majority, for their ideological reasons, do not like the decision
of the Florida courts, we have now a new principle; that the Congress
of the United States will be the super Supreme Court of a State.
In lawyers terms, we can vacate a judgment and then remand it. But
not even remand it. Not send it back to the court that decided it, to a
better court. Talk about forum shopping. People wanted to get rid of
forum shopping. This is the grandparent of all forum shops. We dislike
what the courts in Florida have done, so we cancel their decision and
we send it elsewhere.
The gentleman from Wisconsin said this does not create any new
rights. Well, it gives standing by its own terms to the parents. And,
by the way, if it does not create any new rights, why is it necessary?
If in fact without this bill no new rights have been created, why could
they not have gone to court without us? The answer is they could not.
Because that is not what American jurisprudence has said.
I believe, as I said, if I were making this decision for myself or
anyone close to me, I would make the same decision Michael Schiavo
made. But I would not try to defend my judgment in this case. I do not
know her medical condition. I do not know what her wishes were. But
neither do any of you.
This is as difficult a decision as human beings can make. I am proud
to be a politician, but I think we would all agree that you should not
make this kind of a decision, this kind of a decision about life, in
these terribly emotional circumstances. It should not be made
politically. I think we would all agree to that. But then let us look
at the corollary. If you do not want a decision to be made politically,
why in the world do you ask 535 politicians to make it?
Does anyone think that this decision will be made without
consideration of electoral support or party of ideology? Of course not.
And again, this is not the only case. People should understand that,
those who are watching what we do. Despite your argument that this is
not setting a precedent, every aggrieved party in any similar
litigation can now come to Congress and ask us to make a series of
decisions.
This is the point. This is a terribly difficult decision, which we
are institutionally totally incompetent to make.
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To allow ideology to triumph in that context is a shame.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, in 1995, my friend from Massachusetts said, in a habeas
corpus bill, ``I want judicial review in a reasonable way. I want
people who may have had their rights interfered with to be able to sue
in reasonable fora.''
That is what this bill does. He was right then. I think this bill is
right now.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Arizona (Mr.
Franks), a member of the committee.
Mr. FRANKS of Arizona. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from
Wisconsin for his humanity and courage to deal with this issue.
Mr. Speaker, perhaps it is important for those of us in this Chamber
to first remind ourselves again of why we are really all here. Thomas
Jefferson said, ``The care of human life and its happiness and not its
destruction is the chief and only object of good government.''
Mr. Speaker, protecting the lives of our innocent citizens and their
constitutional rights is why we are all here. The phrase in the 14th
amendment capsulizes our entire Constitution. It says: ``No State shall
deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of
law.'' It is unconscionable that judges holding responsibility to
protect Terri Schiavo's constitutional rights have chosen to abandon
those responsibilities so that now Congress has no honorable
alternative but to respond as we are.
Hubert Humphrey once said that a society is measured by how it treats
those in the dawn of life, those in the shadows of life, and those in
the twilight of life. It is true that Terri Schiavo lives among us in
the shadows of life. But she is not brain dead or comatose. She is
awake and she is able to hear, she is able to see, she is often alert.
She can feel pain, she interacts with her environment, she laughs, she
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cries. She expresses joy when her parents visit her and sorrow when
they leave.
Mr. Speaker, she reminds me so much of another woman, whose name I
will not mention, who was in much the same circumstance as Terri and a
young nurse insisted every morning on singing to this patient. Of
course, her colleagues upbraided her and said, well, she can't hear
you; those are just reflex actions. But she continued day after day,
year after year, to sing to her every morning. Finally she left the
hospital, and yet a few years later, the patient regained her state of
mind and came back, as it were, to a healthy, clear mind. And all of
the nurses gathered around her and met with her and they said, Do you
remember? Do you remember when we took care of you, when we turned you
to keep you from getting bed sores? When we washed you? When we tried
to feed you?
And she said, No, I don't remember anything except someone singing.
Mr. Speaker, Terri Schiavo represents the mortality and helplessness
of us all as human beings. And whether we realize it or not, we are at
this moment lying down beside her listening for that song of hope. If
we as a Nation subject her to the torture and agony of starving and
thirsting to death while her brother, her mother and her father are
forced to watch, we will scar our own souls. And we will be allowing
those judges who have lost their way to drag us all one more ominous
step into a darkness where the light of human compassion has gone out
and the predatory survival of the fittest prevails over humanity.
If the song of hope is to be silenced, Mr. Speaker, let it not be
tonight.
The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner) has
74\1/2\ minutes remaining, and the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr.
Frank) has 68 minutes remaining.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
The gentleman from Wisconsin in an effort to find an inconsistency
quoted me as being for habeas corpus so people can have their day in
court. I am. I do not ever remember supporting a bill in Congress where
we decided person by person who got the right of habeas corpus and who
did not. My argument is a separation-of-powers argument. Yes, I believe
a general right to go to court when you have claimed there has been an
error in your criminal procedure makes sense, but we are not talking
about that here. We are talking about, despite his claim that this is
not a private bill, a private bill, a bill that names one individual
and allows this individual to do it. So if the question is would I be
in favor of this House deciding who got the right to bring habeas
petitions and in what circumstances on a case-by-case basis, the answer
is, I would not. It would be a failure to understand the separation of
powers, what is an appropriate function for a legislative body and what
is an appropriate case-by-case adjudication for the court system.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. Wu).
(Mr. WU asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. WU. Mr. Speaker, this is a profound tragedy for the Schiavo
family, and I sympathize with all of the family members. It is also a
deeply personal matter, one which should be decided within the family.
No one wants this personal decision to be made by 536 politicians: 435
Members of the House, 100 Members of the Senate, and the President of
the United States.
The facts of this tragedy, and the competing wishes of the family
members, have already been determined by those best placed to do so.
Those determinations have been repeatedly ratified over the past 7
years, by 19 judges in more than 10 trials, appeals or other
proceedings. None of those decisions have been reversed, until today.
In an unprecedented procedure, the United States House of
Representatives and the United States Senate are voting to direct a
Federal court to relitigate this entire matter.
There are deeply personal and private issues that are discussed by
every married couple. These discussions occur in bedrooms across
America. Also, intensely personal decisions are made in hospital and
hospice rooms across this country. By forcing this vote through
Congress, the Republican leadership is demonstrating that no bedroom in
America and no hospital room in this land is beyond the reach and power
of this Federal Government. This is wrong.
The Republican leadership has transformed a profound tragedy for the
Schiavo family into a tragedy for the entire Nation. It is my hope that
from this tragedy more people will understand the importance of
determining their own futures and that of their family in the form of
living wills.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Florida (Mr. Miller).
(Mr. MILLER of Florida asked and was given permission to revise and
extend his remarks.)
Mr. MILLER of Florida. Mr. Speaker, 2,000 years ago Jesus Christ
entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, marking the beginning of a week that
throughout history and the world over has signified the sanctity of
human life. Tonight we are here on Palm Sunday to afford the greatest
presumption of life possible under our United States Constitution to a
woman who has never truly been afforded representation and whose wishes
are truly unknown.
This is not about the sanctity of the Schiavo marriage. That is a
matter between Terri and Michael. Mr. Schiavo has got some answering to
do himself. Any insinuation otherwise is clear hypocrisy and nothing
more. And this is not about congressional interference into a family
issue. I agree that it should be a family issue.
The problem is Terri's parents want her to live, and Terri's husband
wants her to die. And Terri did not use a living will to tell us what
she would want. So before an irreversible decision is made, her country
must afford her the due process to which she is entitled under the 14th
amendment of our Constitution. That means that the State of Florida may
not starve Terri to death unless every legal resource to prevent it has
been taken. Death by starvation, as we have already heard tonight, is
lengthy and incredibly painful. And Terri Schiavo can feel pain. The
bill that we are going to pass is going to give her due process before
she is sentenced to die in this painful manner.
Convicted serial killers and other death row inmates are afforded
Federal review in their cases. The Constitution confers upon this
Congress the power to effect the authority on the Federal courts to
conduct this kind of review, and that is what I hope we do here
tonight. It is square within our powers, it respects the separation
between the legislative and the judicial branches, and it holds to the
principles of federalism.
There is going to be hollow rhetoric in this Chamber tonight about
the need for investigations and about reviewing facts before acting and
about attempts to politicize religious beliefs. But where were these
arguments last Wednesday night when we passed a bill for Terri
unanimously under voice vote? And where were these arguments Friday
afternoon when Judge Greer ignored a congressional subpoena designed to
allow us the chance to get more information?
The Supreme Court has stated that the authority to subpoena is an
``indispensable ingredient'' of Congress' legislative power. Judge
Greer's Friday order expressly disregards that authority, and he should
be held in contempt of this body. Like Michael Schiavo, the Judge has
some answering to do.
We have a woman who hasn't had food or drink in over two days. We
made efforts in the ordinary course of legislative business to afford
Terri Schiavo her constitutional rights, and they were rejected. Now,
we are left with no choice but to implement extraordinary means in the
middle of the night.
Whether you're using morality, or religion, or the Golden Rule, or
legal analysis to guide your decision, at the root of all this is a
living, breathing American citizen who has been deprived of her rights.
This measure will correct that, so I urge all my colleagues to support
it.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 8 minutes to the
gentleman from Florida (Mr. Davis), again someone who has worked on
this for quite some time.
Mr. DAVIS of Florida. Mr. Speaker, tonight I join millions of
Floridians and Americans hoping and praying for Terri and her family at
this incredibly difficult time. Terri Schiavo's case is a tragedy we
all hope and pray our own families will never go through. And tonight
this Congress is about to commit a travesty.
I think we can agree the impact of this legislation extends far
beyond
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Terri Schiavo. Tonight, congressional leaders are poised to appoint
this Congress as a judge and a jury. These actions are a threat to our
democracy. More than 200 years ago, our forefathers designed government
with three separate, yet equal, branches. This Congress is about to
overturn the separation of powers by disregarding the laws of Florida
and the decision of a judge that have never been reversed. This
Congress is on the verge of telling States and judges and juries that
their laws, their decisions do not matter.
Multiple courts have had an opportunity to rule in Terri's case,
including the United States Supreme Court, Federal district courts, and
the Florida Supreme Court. As Justice Scalia has said himself in end-
of-life cases like this, ``The Federal courts have no business in this
field. American law has always accorded this power to the States.''
This Congress should respect the law and the rulings of courts and
not trample the Constitution. If we do not draw a line in the sand
tonight, what limit is there to the democratic principles that this
Congress is prepared to violate? What limit is there to the liberties
that we might trample upon?
For those of us that are Floridians, this is a very painful issue.
Not just because we represent many, many people, Democrats, Republicans
or people that are not particularly political who have living wills,
who have wishes they expect to be honored and not interfered with. We
are also deeply saddened because we have been in the middle of this
saga for quite some time, and it is very important you know this is
just the latest chapter.
In 2003, unhappy with the decisions of the court, the Governor and
the State legislature in Florida attempted to change the rules that
controlled Terri's wishes and to pass what was referred to as Terri's
Law, giving Governor Bush the authority to reinsert the feeding tube.
The Florida Supreme Court ruled that law unconstitutional, and the
United States Supreme Court refused to hear Governor Bush's appeal.
Last week, the Florida legislature and the Governor attempted yet a
second time to change the rules that would cover the enforcement of
what was found to be Terri's wishes. For the good of Floridians, for
the good of the country, after the House had passed the bill and the
Governor continued to pursue it, very courageous members of the Florida
senate and the Florida house, on both sides, Democrats and Republicans,
refused to make the same mistake a second time. One of the top
Republicans in the Florida house said, ``The legislature should stay
out of family court issues.''
The State legislation that failed in the State senate died when some
of the leading Republican Senators said, ``We cannot and should not
sacrifice our oaths as political officers on the altar of political
convenience.''
These were State legislators recognizing the limits of their power.
Here tonight in the United States Congress, will we recognize the
appropriate limits of our power?
Leading the charge in this debate are several physicians who are
Members of Congress. I think it is fair to say none of them have
examined Terri Schiavo. I seriously doubt any of them had a chance to
review the medical records. Instead, many of them, many Members of
Congress, are forced to rely upon a videotape that is several years old
that does not begin to tell the story.
Let us keep in mind neither this House nor Senate has had a single
hearing, has heard from a single witness, has provided any meaningful
opportunity for the public to participate in this very important
debate.
The bill under consideration tonight essentially does one thing: it
starts the process all over again with a different judge, an attempt to
achieve a different result, a different finding as to Terri's wishes or
simply to delay the enforcement of her wishes.
It has been described by the chairman of the committee that what this
bill does, if I heard him correctly, is to provide an opportunity for
Terri's parents to assert their rights under the United States
Constitution. They have always had that right. They had that right in
State court. They had that right in Federal court. They had that right
in the United States Supreme Court, which turned down the appeal.
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This bill does not create any new rights. It simply creates a new
judge in an attempt to achieve a different result or to delay a
different decision.
One of the chief Senate sponsors of the bill said earlier today that
the purpose and the effect of the bill in his judgment was to cause the
Federal judge who will hear this case to reinsert the tube.
Before we vote tonight, I would like to ask the Members to ask one
question of themselves. If this were their family, if they some day,
and I hope they do not and I hope I do not, find themselves in this
tragic situation, one of the most tragic we will ever experience in our
lives, and they and their wife had come to a conclusion about what they
want as a couple or individually as to how they end their life, how
would they feel if elected officials they had never met who did not
know them thought their judgment was superior to theirs? How would they
feel if that affected them and their spouse?
I have followed this case for years. My views tonight are the same as
they have been always. This case is about Terri's will as interpreted
by the courts, God's will, and it should not be about the will of the
United States Congress. Sadly, regardless of what this Congress does
tonight, everyone may lose. Terri's husband may lose his wife. Their
parents may lose a daughter.
My hearts and prayers go out to Terri and her family.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman
from North Carolina (Ms. Foxx).
Ms. FOXX. Mr. Speaker, it is a sad day in America when a society as
great as ours and filled with as many opportunities as ours turns its
back on one of its most vulnerable disabled citizens. It is unfortunate
that it has come to this.
My colleague said a little bit ago or asked the question, ``Where
will we stop if we allow this to go forward?'' I ask the same question
of them: Where will we stop if we allow this to go forward? This is not
an end of life decision.
Those who have said that this issue should be a private and personal
matter are correct. I agree with them. Congress has no business
interjecting its opinion in the end-of-life decisions of any family.
This is not what we are doing here. Terri Schiavo is not brain dead,
she is not on artificial life support. She is not terminally ill or in
the process of dying. She is brain damaged but if given the chance to
be rehabilitated again, there is no telling what she can do.
We are here precisely because we respect the rule of law. And my
colleague read the 14th amendment to us before, and I will not do it
again. Congress is merely saying to the Nation that we think a Federal
court should look into this case and determine whether or not her
constitutional right to life has been infringed upon. End-of-life
decisions are excruciatingly difficult for any family to make. I know.
My mother told us every week of her life that she did not want to be
kept on life support. She had a stroke and she was on life support. The
most difficult decision I ever made in my life, and my father's. But we
consulted with the physicians, and we were able to get her to a point
where she could live off of life support and leave it in the hands of
God, and that is what we did.
I know how difficult this decision is too. I do not know anyone here
in this legislative body who wants to interject their opinion in any
family's decision, but starving a woman to death when death is not
imminent is wrong. Terri Schiavo deserves to have her constitutional
rights respected.
Mr. Speaker, my thoughts and prayers are with Terri and her parents
tonight.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the
gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Holt).
Mr. HOLT. Mr. Speaker, we are turning a sad family tragedy into a
grotesque legislative travesty. It is a tragedy. But what we are
talking about tonight is nothing other than inserting our judgment for
the courts. Today every day in every county in America, families,
doctors, hospital chaplains are making life-and-death decisions, tough
decisions and tender decisions. Each one has its own circumstance,
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and Congress cannot reasonably understand each and should not be
involved. For 215 years it has been a solid principle of this country
that Congress is not involved in issues like this.
Today in church at Palm Sunday services, I read the bulletin, and as
is the usual practice there was a list of the sick and hospitalized,
the homebound. I read each name. There are some family tragedies in
that list and some tragedies yet to come. But those families would not
want Congress to send them to one court or another for a review. This
evening I had dinner with a family, my own relatives who yesterday and
today had visited the hospital where the family decided to remove the
feeding tube from a loved one. They came out of the hospital to find,
to their dismay, that Congress is second guessing their decision.
Imagine how they feel. Why should they believe that Congress will stay
out of their personal affairs?
By the way, why are we debating this case? I do not want to be too
cynical, but could it be that the TV cameras are rolling?
Doctors sometimes make the wrong decisions, Mr. Speaker. Families
sometimes make the wrong decisions. But the wisdom of the founders of
this government in not putting these decisions in the Congress is that
they understood that most of the time we would make the wrong
decisions. We do not know the facts of this case or thousands of others
that are out there today despite assertions to the contrary tonight.
That is why we should not, we should not, substitute our judgment for
the courts. Congress should not play doctor, certainly not by long-
distance video or hearsay diagnosis, nor should we be the judiciary. If
Congress wants to avoid tragedies like this, we should deal with policy
questions, such as adequate home care for the 8 million Americans who
need it and see that Medicare and Medicaid provide adequate long-term
care. Yes, we should spend our time that way, and every Member of this
body should spend the time tonight talking with their family members
about advanced medical directives and living wills. That is something
we can do to help prevent tragedies like this.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, this bill does not make a decision on whether or not the
feeding tube should be reinserted. It does not make a final decision on
the issues that are being decided in Florida. What it does do is that
it says that a Federal court, a judge, will review the Federal
constitutional and legal rights that belong to Terri Schiavo, and that
Federal judge will make a decision on Federal issues, and that is all
the bill does.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr.
Smith).
Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for
yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, we meet tonight under extraordinary circumstances, and I
for one am very grateful to the Speaker and majority leader Delay for
bringing us back because a much-loved disabled woman in Florida has
been ordered to die by starvation and dehydration. We meet tonight
because Terri Schiavo's family, including her parents, Bob and Mary
Schindler, refuse to allow their precious daughter, who is not in a
coma nor is she terminally ill nor is she in a persistent vegetative
state, to be killed by starving her to death.
Disabled people deserve no less than everyone else deserves, to have
their fundamental human rights protected and properly asserted. We meet
here tonight because there are serious questions whether Terri
Schiavo's estranged husband, Michael, who has abandoned Terri for
another woman and has had two kids with the other woman, could be
trusted as a legal guardian for a woman for whom he has sought death
for many years.
Let us not forget she has been in a hospice for 5 years. My mother
was in a hospice. She had terminal brain cancer and was dying. One goes
into a hospice when they are in the process of dying. Terri was not
dying.
Mention was made earlier by the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Wexler)
that everyone agrees that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state.
That's not true. Let me remind my colleagues that no less than 14
independent medical professionals, including six neurologists, have
said she is not in a persistent vegetative state.
Let me also point out to my colleagues Dr. William Hammesfahr, an
M.D., board certified neurologist from Clearwater, Florida has
testified, and he has signed an affidavit as recently as March 6 of
this year, and he has said Ms. Schiavo is not in a persistent
vegetative state. He goes on to point out that she could benefit, and I
will include this full statement in the Record, from medical
interventions that are available right now as we meet, she could be
getting therapies, medical and otherwise, that would make her situation
all that much better. All of that has been denied to her. She has sat
in a hospice to languish denied these basic medical provisions and
procedures that could enhance her life.
I would hope that we would vote for this legislation.
The material previously referred to is as follows:
Declaration of William M. Hammesfahr, M.D.
I, William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. have personal knowledge of
the facts states in this Declaration and, if called as a
witness, I could and would testify competently thereto under
oath.
I declare as follows:
1. I am a Board-certified neurologist in private practice
in Clearwater, Florida. My curriculum vitae is attached to
this declaration.
2. I have previously filed affidavits and testified in the
matter involving Terri Schiavo.
3. I have personally examined Terry Schiavo, reviewed her
available medical records, and reviewed her CT can. When I
last reviewed her CT scan I noted that Ms. Schiavo had
significant brain tissue. She has a large amount of viable
brain tissue in her cerebellum space and cerebral
hemispheres, not just scar tissue or spinal fluid.
4. I have previously testified, and I am still of the
opinion, that Ms. Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative
state.
5. Further, Ms. Schiavo had the ability to swallow. When I
examined her approximately two years ago, she was not PVS of
MCS, she was in an alert state, able to follow commands, able
to respond to language, and able to swallow.
6. Her condition of hypoxic emcephalopathy is a type of
stroke. It is a condition I routinely treat with therapy,
sometimes 50 and 60 years, after the injury. She is only 15
years past the injury. We routinely see major improvements
within the first six months of treating such patients. Terri
Schiavo deserves to have the benefit of further treatment.
7. There have been new advances in medical evaluation and
treatment for patients like Terri Schiavo even in just the
past few years. For example, in November of 2003. Judge Susan
Kirkland of the Florida Department of Health validated the
treament I have been providing victims of stroke by
identifying me, during her ruling, ``the first physician to
treat patients successfully to restore deficits caused by
stroke.'' With my therapy, there is improvement of blood flow
to the brain.
8. There are other therapies that could benefit Terri
Schiavo, such as Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, and nutritional
therapy, that all have high success rates, and these should
be tried on Terri.
9. As a patient, Terri Schiavo is not in that bad of a
condition to begin with. We treat many patients who are a lot
worse. There are a lot of therapies out there that will very
likely improve her condition, and they all compliment each
other, so if you do them all in a series, she could get a lot
better.
10. Without a doubt, I observed Terri swallow. At a
previous hearing for Terri, all five physicians who examined
her agreed and testified that she can swallow. We know that
because the body makes approximately 2 liters of saliva and
post-nasal drainage a day and if she can swallow that, which
she can because she swallows her saliva, then she can swallow
food.
11. I believe that it is wrong and medically unethical to
remove Terri Schiavo's feeding tube and derive her of food
and water. At the very least, further swallowing tests should
be done, and swallowing therapy used, so that Terri can feed
herself, without the use of the current feeding tube.
I declare under the penalty of perjury under the laws of
the State of Florida that the foregoing is true and correct.
Executed this 06 day of March 2005, in Clearwater, Florida.
William M. Hammesfahr, M.D.
Declarant.
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Declaration of William Maxfield, M.D., FACNM
I, William Maxfield, M.D., FACNM, have personal knowledge
of the facts stated in this declaration and, if called as a
witness, I could and would testify competently thereto under
oath. I declare as follows:
1. I am a medical doctor and licensed in Florida and
several other states.
2. I have extensive experience in treatment of stroke,
multiple sclerosis, brain trauma, cerebral palsy, other
cognitive diseases and congenital problems such as ataxia-
telangectasia as well as many other diseases that are treated
with Hyperbaric Oxygen
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Therapy (HBOT). My experience in imaging and hyperbaric
medicine provide a unique background for my work in
developing protocols to diagnose and treat conditions that
may benefit from hyperbaric oxygen therapy, such as the
current condition of Terri Schiavo.
3. A copy of my 20-page curriculum vitae is attached to
this declaration.
4. In May of 2002, I previously evaluated Terri Schiavo. I
reviewed supplied medical records, personally observed and
evaluated Ms. Schiavo on two separate days at the request of
attorney Pat Anderson, who was involved in the case at that
time.
5. When I evaluated Ms. Schiavo I observed that she was
able to swallow at that time. She swallowed her saliva. She
didn't drool her saliva like a patient would if they could
not swallow.
6. Based on my observation that Ms. Schiavo can swallow, I
believe that she deserves the opportunity to see if she could
sustain her life by swallowing food and water. I recommend
that she receive further swallowing testing, and the right to
sustain her life by eating and drinking on her own.
7. During my personal observation of Ms. Schiavo, I saw her
respond to music and to her family by grimacing, moving and
smiling, and turning her head. She could not move her body
very much at that time, because of stiff joints, but she
turned her head toward her family and looked at them. She
would follow balloons around the room to a great degree.
These behaviors, in my opinion, are not consistent with a
Persistent Vegetative State (PVS), but are those of Minimally
Conscious State (MCS).
8. There have been medical advances in the evaluation and
treatment of patients like Ms. Schiavo even in just the past
several years and since the last time that I examined her.
For example, these advances include further documentation of
the neurological response to HBOT and now the developing
field of Hypoxia Imagining. Having just a normal MRI or CAT
Scan is not enough for a patient like Ms. Schiavo. I would
recommend Ms. Schiavo have a SPECT brain scan before and
after HBOT. There is a data demonstrating an improved SPECT
brain scan after one or a few HBOT sessions can provide a
significant correlation as to response from a full course of
HBOT. We can then determine if there is improvement in the
pattern of her brain, and predict if additional hyperbaric
treatment would produce improvement. Ms. Schiavo deserves to
receive the benefit of this advance in medical evaluation and
treatment. I have worked with many patients who have shown
marked cognitive improvement with HBOT. Documentation is
available upon request.
9. When I observed Ms. Schiavo, I noted that she did not
interact with me, but she did interact with her mother and
father. She does not respond to other strangers. She does
respond to people she knows and this is not something a
person in a PVS state would be able to do. I base this
opinion on my 30 years of practice in radiation therapy, and
as medical director for a hospice program, where I have dealt
with many patients who are in a PVS state.
10. In my opinion Terri Schiavo is MCS, because if she was
PVS, she would not respond to the stimuli around her,
including the music. In my opinion, she is in a vegetative
state.
11. Without out a doubt, Terri does respond and she does
swallow her own saliva. If she can do that, then, in my
opinion, she can swallow liquids.
I declare under the penalty or perjury under the laws of
the State of Florida that the foregoing is true and correct.
Executed this 6 day of March 2005, in Odessa, Florida.
Wiliam Maxfield, M.D., PACNM,
Declarant.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
Mr. Speaker, the previous impassioned speech from a gentleman who
legitimately and genuinely holds a very strong opinion here is exactly
why we should not, as a Congress, be deciding this issue. He made a
number of statements about her medical condition. None of us are in a
position to know what her medical condition is. There are procedures in
the State of Florida which have been gone through exhaustively to
determine that. Doctors have testified one way or another. Doctors have
examined her, some doctors have not examined her. That is precisely the
point. The arguments the gentleman is making exemplify why this needs
to be a case-by-case decision, not a legislative decision.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr.
Smith).
Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for
yielding me this time.
It is precisely what the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner)
has been saying all night. We want the venue to be a Federal district
court in Florida to look at this critical matter from beginning to end
to determine what has been missed. There is a benefit of the doubt here
that goes to Terri. She ought to get it. We do not think she has gotten
it. Let the court decide.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
The caption tonight ought to be ``We are not doctors. We just play
them on C-SPAN.'' The point is this: The gentleman is making specific
medical arguments. He has said, in strong criticism of the entire
judicial system of the State of Florida, that they did not give her a
fair chance; that the entire judicial system, all of those appeals, all
of those trials, all of that litigation, that that did not give her a
fair chance and we will now vacate the judgment of Florida. And why?
Not because any of us know one thing or another, but because many
Members here genuinely have a strong ideological interest, and that is
precisely why this ought to be a judicial decision and not a
legislative decision.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Virginia (Mr.
Moran).
Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from
Massachusetts for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, the most traumatic moment of my life was when my mother
died in my arms. She had chosen not to be dependent on a respirator in
a hospital but to die at home with her family. These circumstances, or
some variant of them, occur eventually within every family, and whether
the Federal Government has the right to intervene in those private
tragedies is the issue before us tonight.
I talked to Terri Schiavo's brother today, and then finding what he
said convincing, I read through all of Mr. Schiavo's testimony and
interviews. And now I do not know who is right and who is wrong. But
that is the point. Neither do my colleagues. But 10 courts have heard
from all sides, from every relevant witness, and all of them, 19
judges, many of them conservative Republicans, all have reached the
same conclusion, that in fact Terri Schiavo's husband's wishes are
consistent with his wife's, that the feeding tube should be removed.
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I have never met, certainly not examined, Ms. Schiavo; but nor have
any of the so-called medical experts in this body that have testified
on the basis of edited videotapes ever examined her either. But every
qualified doctor who has examined her has reached the same conclusion:
she is in a perpetual vegetative state; she has no cerebral cortex.
The reason this issue is before us, I think, is that it is all about
religion and politics. But does not every religion teach, first of all,
that no human being has the right to play God? And is not one of the
very first principles of politics is that we should not use individual
human tragedies, people suffering in anguish, political pawns to
appease the interest groups that keep us in power.
Mr. Speaker, the night that this was brought up last week, we also
voted on a budget resolution, and we decided to cut tens of billions of
dollars out of the program that enables the poorest and the sickest and
the most dependent among us throughout this country to be able to live
in a dignified, safe and sanitary nursing home. We decided to cut that
money. I did not agree with cutting that money from Medicaid, but I do
agree we have that right. We have the right to cut taxes for the
wealthy, while we cut health care for the poor. But we have no
legislative, constitutional authority to intervene in these very
personal family matters, and most importantly, we have no moral right
to be doing this tonight.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey).
(Mr. GINGREY asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks, and include extraneous material.)
Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, in response to the remarks a few minutes
ago from the gentleman from Massachusetts, I want to say that I am not
sure whether or not I am on C-SPAN, but I am absolutely sure that I am
not playing doctor, for indeed I am one.
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleagues for returning to
Washington on Palm Sunday to take up this very important issue. As my
colleagues know, we are here today in an attempt to safe the life of
Terry Schiavo. I particularly want to thank the gentleman from Illinois
(Speaker Hastert), the gentleman
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from Texas (Mr. DeLay), the gentleman from Wisconsin (Chairman
Sensenbrenner), and the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon) for their
leadership on this issue. Although Congress cannot heal Terri, we do
have the ability to save her from an inhumane death from forced
starvation and dehydration.
Mr. Speaker, since Terri Schiavo's brain injury 15 years ago, she has
been profoundly disabled. She is not, however, in a coma. She responds
to the people around her; she smiles and she can feel. Terri is very
much alive.
Mr. Speaker, listen to the words spoken just one year ago by Pope
John Paul II to the International Congress of Catholic Physicians on
life-sustaining treatments and the vegetative state: ``A man, even if
seriously ill or disabled in the exercise of his highest functions, is
and always will be a man, and he will never become a vegetable or a man
animal. Even our brothers and sisters who find themselves in the
clinical condition of a vegetative state retain their human dignity in
all its fullness. The loving gaze of God the Father continues to fall
upon them, acknowledging them as his sons and daughters, especially in
need of help.''
The tragedy of this situation is that with proper treatment, now
denied, Terri's condition can improve. Even though Terri's parents
object to the removal of her feeding tube, the courts have rejected
their pleas, and at this point it appears that all legal efforts to
save her life have been exhausted, unless Congress acts swiftly.
Mr. Speaker, I believe we have a duty as Members of Congress to
uphold a culture of life and compassion.
Terri has been incapable of making relevant decisions, particularly
concerning her medical care, since she collapsed due to a potassium
imbalance in 1990 at age 27, just a few years after her marriage to
Michael Schiavo. Terri's parents want her to live. The governor of
Florida, her state of residence, and many in the state legislature want
her to live; however, the Florida Court system has ruled the husband's
guardian rights should prevail. Unfortunately, his wishes have set his
wife on a course of dehydration, starvation, and death.
It is important to note that Terri never had the opportunity to plead
her own case in court and she never executed an advanced directive or
living will in writing.
Terri responds to verbal, auditory, and visual stimuli, normally
breathes on her own and can move her limbs on command. As a result of
her parent's love, they have fought for years to prevent her court
ordered death and have expressed their willingness to take care of her
for the rest of her life.
Since the Florida state court has issued an order prohibiting Terri
from even being given food or water by her mouth, once her tube is
pulled she will not die from any disease, but from starvation and
dehydration.
Florida law prohibits the starvation of dogs, yet will allow the
starvation of Terri Schiavo. Florida law does not allow for physician
assisted suicide or euthanasia, nor does my compassionate God fearing
state of Georgia. Although I am not a neurologist by specialty, my
basic courses in medical school taught me that dehydration is a
horrific process.
It is a process that only the cruelest tyrants in history have used
to ``cleanse'' populations. The patient's skin cracks, their nose
bleeds, they vomit as the stomach lining dries out, and they have pangs
of hunger and thirst. Starvation is a very painful death to which no
one should be deliberately exposed.
The tragedy of this situation is that with proper treatment, now
denied, Terri's condition can improve. Even though Terri's parents
object to the removal of her feeding tube, the courts have rejected
their pleas and, at this point, it appears that all legal efforts to
save her life have been exhausted unless Congress acts swiftly.
Mr. Speaker, I believe we have a duty as Members of Congress to
uphold a culture of life and compassion. It is important that we act
today to save Terri Schiavo's life and uphold the moral and legal
obligation of our nation, indeed this poor woman's Constitutional right
to life.
In our nation of checks and balances, I believe it is time for
Congress to check the Florida court's decision and pass this life
saving measure.
I encourage bipartisan support of this legislation because we are
here, at this ``11th hour,'' quite literally, to save Terri's life.
Mr. FRANK. Mr. Speaker, I reserve my time.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Nebraska (Mr. Fortenberry).
Mr. FORTENBERRY. Mr. Speaker, while I was at home this weekend, my
little 2-year-old girl wanted me to take her for a walk. I looked
forward to having some ``daddy time'' with her. But before we could
leave, she fell asleep on our stairway. I picked her up, cradled her,
and brought her to her bed.
As I looked at her precious little face, I thought of Terri Schiavo's
mother and father: how they must have cradled their little girl, loved
her, watched her grow, given her hand in marriage.
But, Mr. Speaker, as we are all now familiar, Terri's life met with
terrible tragedy. A debilitating illness left her incapacitated, a
medical system has not protected her, and a judicial system has
betrayed her. And through this all, Terri's mother and father are still
there with their little girl, loving her, caring for her, asking only
for one simple thing: do not starve her to death. Give her food, give
her water, ordinary care for a living person.
Mr. Speaker, impoverished judicial reasoning has created the need for
a new law, granting to Terri the same right given to Death Row inmates
to appeal. Given the complexity of who should have final say over
Terri's life, an estranged husband who is now in a common law marriage,
or her loving parents, it is only reasonable that additional levels of
appeal be given.
Mr. Speaker, I wish to thank our leadership for their exhaustive
efforts on Terri's behalf, for their willingness to stand for a
compassionate society that protects its most weak and vulnerable
members.
Mr. Speaker, let us join Terri's mother and father and cradle Terri
in the arms of a just and good decision.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3\1/2\ minutes to
the gentlewoman from Washington, D.C. (Ms. Norton).
Ms. NORTON. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, it is hard to know how to approach this case. Should you
approach it as a mother or a member of the family on the opposite side,
should you approach it as a member of the House of Representatives,
should you try to approach it as a lawyer?
One thing is clear: choosing up sides, where you or I stand on our
particular values, clearly will not do. That is why matters of this
kind involving families have for more than 200 years been committed to
State courts, because we are all over the place, State By State, person
by person, on this issue. We are hopelessly divided.
Countless Americans have already made decisions like this, over and
over again. Countless more have a different view. There are some who,
if they had to choose, would side with the husband as the next of kin,
because he believes he knows what his wife desired based on what she
said to him and believes he would betray her trust if he simply walked
away. Who can fail to be sympathetic with him?
Who can fail to be sympathetic with the parents, who almost
instinctively have adopted the role of parent? When the mother said
today, ``Save my little girl,'' she is not even any more for her a
grown woman, the wife of somebody. She is her little girl, and always
will be; and I understand that.
There are 50 different States, 51 including the District of Columbia,
with wholly different approaches to the same matter. How shall we
choose? Which is best in a Federal Republic? To give it to the
Congress? To then instruct the Federal courts to violate every rule we
have had for 215 years? I hardly think so.
Until today, there was no doubt how finality should be reached in a
case like this. My only hope is that somehow this will finally be
settled without a three-part constitutional crisis of the kind we are
creating here, the crisis at the heart of federalism and the Federal
Republic for which we stand, the bedrock of who we are, the State-
Federal system, where State issues with State courts are final and our
issues are final, except in very narrow circumstances given the limited
vision of the Federal Government, of the Founders, or the crisis of
separation of powers, which we were barely circuiting here, or the
crisis of the constitutional right of privacy. Choose your crisis.
The victims here are real people, however, caught in a dispute of
Shakespearean dimensions. The other side thinks that is right, it is
life and death. That is what makes it different.
But my friends, never before in countless cases in Federal and State
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courts in 215 years, life and death has not made a difference in my own
lifetime and in the history of my country as I have read it. I wish
that the fact that life and death were at issue had meant that we could
go into Federal court every time we disagreed.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Pennsylvania (Mr. Pitts).
Mr. PITTS. Mr. Speaker, in America we do not let people starve an
animal to death. We do not let them starve prisoners to death. But that
is what some would do to Terri Schiavo.
This is about the rights of a disabled person. Terri Schiavo is not
brain dead or comatose or unconscious. She is not terminally ill, she
is not dying, she is not on artificial life support. All she needs is a
feeding tube to eat. But so do many disabled people.
Terri has a brain injury, but otherwise she is healthy. Seven years
after the injury, her husband suddenly remembered Terri's wishes about
life and death. Her estranged husband has not allowed her any therapy
or treatments or rehabilitation in more than a decade since he won the
malpractice award, even though many doctors believe that they would
help her condition. In fact, she was speaking some words before her
treatment stopped. She may not even need the help of a feeding tube if
given therapy. Doctors who have seen her certify that she can swallow.
Mr. Speaker, this woman needs help, not a death sentence. She needs
the warmth of a family that cares for her. She needs the help of
doctors who want to treat her, instead of recommending that she die.
But her family is not even allowed to help her because of a judge's
ruling, a judge who in 5 years has not even bothered to visit her once
to see for himself that Terri is not comatose, that she is not
unconscious, that she is not in a vegetative state.
If prisoners on Death Row are guaranteed Federal review of their
cases, Terri Schiavo deserves at least as much consideration. The 14th
amendment of the Constitution says: ``No State shall deprive any person
of life, liberty or property without due process of law.'' This means
Florida may not starve Terri to death unless every legal recourse to
prevent it has been taken.
This is a constitutional right. Terri's life is valuable. She
deserves a right to live. The disability community is horrified at what
is happening to Terri, and so are millions of Americans. I urge every
one of my colleagues to have compassion on this disabled woman and
allow a Federal court to review the facts and her constitutional
rights.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1\1/4\
minutes to deal with two arguments that have been presented here as
precedents.
This is an unprecedented piece of individual case decision. One, we
are told, well, we did this previously with civil rights. After years
of determining and establishing that there was a discriminatory
pattern, we made an exception. The rule remains that States decide
these kinds of decisions; but because there was an overwhelming showing
of a pattern of discrimination based on race, outlawed specifically by
an amendment to the Constitution, we made an exception. There is no
showing here of any such pattern of discrimination.
Secondly, we are told this is just a general principle like habeas
corpus. I have to ask people on the side who are pushing this, if this
is such a good idea, why is it limited to this case and why do you say
it is not to be a precedent? If, in fact, it is to be the rule that
people should have this appeal, why do you limit it to only one
individual?
That suggests that this is a response to a particular dispute. You
are responding to a particular dispute because it did not come out
ideologically and for whatever reason you say you wanted. But if it is
a principle, why is it written as a bill applying only to these
individuals, and it specifically says it cannot be a precedent?
Clearly, this is an individualized response to a controversy that
attracted attention, and if you believed in the principle, you would
have made it uniform.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Alabama (Mr. Aderholt).
Mr. ADERHOLT. Mr. Speaker, it is Sunday evening, a time when those of
us in the House of Representatives are usually not in session. But
tonight is an unusual night and the circumstances before us are
unusual.
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It goes without saying that we of course are discussing the life and
death of Terri Schiavo. The situation that Terri is in has been
discussed here on this floor tonight already, and you only have to turn
on the news or pick up a newspaper to learn about it. However, as I
have watched, as I have listened, as I have read the news, I have been
shocked at some of the inaccurate statements that have been made about
Terri's condition.
The bottom line is that once Terri is dead, it will be too late to
reconsider what else we will do. The truth is Terri is not brain dead.
She is awake. She is aware of her surroundings. Terri is not on
artificial life support. No extraordinary measures are being taken. She
does need assistance in being fed, but that is not unusual. I have a
perfectly healthy 1-year-old little boy, and he needs assistance in
being fed, perhaps not through a feeding tube, but nonetheless he needs
help.
As I said, this is an unusual situation. Usually Congress writes laws
with a broad brush, but every once in a while an unusual situation will
require special legislative action. That is a situation for us tonight,
Mr. Speaker.
Tonight, the possible life or death of Terri Schiavo is before us. I
ask my colleagues to support this legislation, and may we as a Nation
continue to protect the most innocent and most vulnerable among us so
that the United States of America will continue to be that light on the
hill, that beacon of hope for all mankind.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my
time.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Kansas (Mr. Ryun).
Mr. RYUN of Kansas. Mr. Speaker, we are considering today what is the
life of Terri Schiavo, and it is not just about who we are as
Americans. It is about a lifestyle. It gives us the opportunity to
affirm constitutional protections apply to all Americans, particularly
the most vulnerable among us.
As a disabled person, Terri Schiavo deserves the same right as any
American, and for Terri time is quickly running out. I believe it is
extremely important that Congress step in to protect the life of Terri
before it is too late.
In looking at the evidence in this case, I believe the courts have
acted irresponsibly. Terri Schiavo does not need the assistance of any
machine to keep her alive. She is responsive to the sound, touch, and
sight of those caring for her. She has parents and siblings who
desperately want to take care of her. Yet the courts have even denied
the ability of the relatives to offer food and water to her lips. In
fact, Noble Prize Nominee Dr. William Hammesfahr recently issued a
statement saying he has examined Terri and he believes her injury is
the type of stroke that he treats every day with success. In fact, he
said there are many approaches that would help Terri. I know because I
have had the opportunity to personally examine her and her medical
record and her x-rays.
It is time to help Terri instead of just warehousing her. She would
have benefited from treatment years ago, but it is not too late now.
Terri's parents along with her brother and sister have begged her
husband, Michael, to let them take care of Terri. He has not only
refused this request, he has denied Terri the rehabilitative care they
might have offered her to help with her condition. Now he has had her
feeding tube removed and sentenced her to a most excruciating death,
citing Terri's own wishes as the rationale.
Yet Terri did not express this to her parents or siblings or reduce
her wishes on paper, and Michael did not remember the supposed request
until years after Terri's initial injuries when a cash settlement was
awarded to her, a settlement he would stand to inherit.
If we as a Congress allow this to happen without guaranteeing her
14th amendment rights to due process, Terri's blood is on our hands. If
we do not act now, our inaction is completely irreversible.
I urge my colleagues to support this bill.
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Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the
gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Lewis), someone who knows something about
Federal intervention when it is called for.
Mr. LEWIS of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentleman from
Massachusetts (Mr. Frank) for yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, why are we here tonight? We have not been ordained or
called by some all-powerful force to play God or play doctor.
Every day American families make life-and-death decisions governed by
their own faith and led by their own hearts. This Congress does not
interfere with most personal decisions of these American citizens. Why
then, Mr. Speaker, why have we come here tonight?
Where is the respect for individual responsibility that is waved like
a banner in this Chamber? Where is the respect tonight for States'
rights that we said we hold so dear? If we really believe in those
values, we will stay out of Terri Schiavo's life today and let the
decision of her husband and the ruling of the Federal court stand.
Leadership must lead. Tonight this leadership is a taillight. It is
not the headlight for democracy and for a citizen's right to privacy
that it should be.
This is demagoguery. This is a step in where we have no business.
This is walking where the angels fear to tread. We are playing with a
young woman's life for the sake of politics. This is not about values.
This is not about religion. It is pandering for political gain with the
next election in mind.
Mr. Speaker, how much further can we slide down this slippery slope
of hypocrisy? How much lower can we sink? How much more unprincipled
can we be?
In a democracy, sometimes we disagree with individual decisions.
Sometimes it is hard to bear judgment that we do not understand. But if
we truly believe in individual freedom and the right to privacy, then
we must get out of the way and let people be free.
This is a matter that should rest with the family, their consciences,
and their God. The Florida courts have spoken, and we should not
intervene.
This is a very, very sad night for the House of Representatives. Mr.
Speaker, is it possible for us to let this young woman take her leave
in peace?
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman
from Tennessee (Mrs. Blackburn).
Mrs. BLACKBURN. Mr. Speaker, we all know that there are deep emotions
that are involved in this debate tonight. And earlier many of us met
with Terri Schiavo's brother, and I do not think that anyone can truly
convey what that family is going through. And as a mother, a tragedy of
this type is my worst nightmare.
But, Mr. Speaker, we, this Congress, we are not here simply because
we believe in our hearts that a great mistake is about to be made. We
are here because all of us, each and every one of us, Americans,
Members of Congress, we all know and we understand that the most basic,
most fundamental right guaranteed by our Constitution, that is the
right to life. And it is our responsibility to protect that right.
Now, I interpret and a lot of people have looked at the decision by
the Florida judiciary and they interpret this as something that says
our society, our country should be willing to accept and facilitate the
murder of an adult human being, a human being who has not committed any
crime at all whatsoever.
I do not think the Founders of our country or our Constitution would
agree with that decision, Mr. Speaker.
I think it is entirely appropriate that the Federal courts consider
this matter, a matter that so clearly speaks to the core of our belief,
the belief that every human being has worth, every human being has a
value, and every human being has a right to live.
Our hearts are with Terri Schiavo and her family. Our reason and our
intellect are with the Constitution.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my
time.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Florida (Mr. Weldon).
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for
yielding me time, and I commend him for the work he has put in over the
last 4 days to try to bring this bill to the floor.
This is not the original version of the bill that I introduced about
2 weeks ago, but I think it will have the intended result.
For many people listening and watching, you may get the impression
this is a dispute between the Democrats and the Republicans; but there
were 30, approximately 30 Democrats on the bill and I know that many
Democrats do support this.
I practiced medicine for 15 years, internal medicine, before I came
to the House of Representatives. I took care of a lot of these kinds of
cases. And there were basically three features of this case that
compelled me to feel that a Federal review of the case was warranted.
And by the way, I think it has been pointed out by some of the people
that preceded me, Scott Peterson's case is going to get a Federal
review, John Couey, the man who confessed to killing that young girl in
Florida not far from where Terri Schiavo lives, he will get a Federal
review; but there were several features of it.
Number one, by my medical definition she was not in a vegetative
state based on my review of the videos, my talking to the family, and
my discussing the case with one of the neurologists who examined her.
And, yes, I asked to get into the room and was unable to do so.
The other thing was this very lengthy pause, and that has also been
pointed out by some of the people who have spoken, of 7 years between
her original injury and when it was stated that she had prior voiced
sentiments of not wanting heroic life-sustaining measures.
My clinical experience has always been that immediately family brings
that up. They do not wait 7 years.
There were other features of this case that I thought were highly
unusual that warranted a Federal review. I think this is a good bill. I
encourage all of my colleagues to vote in support of it.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 45 seconds.
The gentleman's remarks again emphasize that this is a judicial and
not a legislative case. He says there are aspects of this case that
call for judicial review. That is why we have courts.
Yes, other people can get other Federal review by general statutes.
None of the other cases he mentioned are in Federal courts because a
particular bill was passed in a particular situation to send them there
based on a review of those facts.
The gentleman is entitled to his view of the facts as he said. There
are aspects of this case that lead him to think that it should go back
into court. That is what courts are for. He has just described the
antithesis of a legislative decision, particularly since almost none of
the Members have either as much information as he does.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Washington
(Mr. Baird).
Mr. BAIRD. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time.
I do not know what to do tonight. I honestly do not. If Terri Schiavo
were here, she could tell us what she would like her fate to be under
this circumstance. Those who say that we are condemning her to death by
starvation, that may be so if action is not taken tonight. But it may
also be so that you may be condemning her to a life that she might not
choose were she here to choose that.
Some of us have spoken on both sides of the aisle of holding our
loved one in our hands as they died, having made the decision not to
have heroic measures. For 23 years before working in this body, I
served as a clinical neuropsychologist. I have been with many patients
in persistent vegetative state.
I wish life were different. I really wish it were. I will tell
Members the stories like the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Franks) and
others about sudden recoveries, where people almost miraculously or
magically are better and return to their former state are apocryphal
for the most part.
After years of coma, people do not return to who they were before.
What happens is we have a brain stem that is miraculously robust at
protecting breathing and heart rate, but it is our
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cortex that makes us who we are and that cortex dies when it is
deprived of oxygen and we effectively die with it.
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And I am sorry about that. It is so tragic.
I honestly do not know what to do. But for anybody to try to imply
that people on one side or the other do not care about this woman is
not right or fair, on either side. This is an American tragedy but,
more importantly, it is a personal tragedy. And people on both sides
are pro life in the richness and complexity and difficulty of it.
Some are trying to do their best to honor what they believe are this
woman's wishes to not live condemned to a bed where she cannot speak or
enjoy the higher virtues of life she might choose. And if she did
indeed say I would not choose the fate of being condemned to this bed,
then we are denying her that right to make the choice. That is the
challenge here tonight, my friends.
But let no one who leaves this body somehow imply that whichever the
vote is taken, one side or the other does not respect life in its
richness. We are all pro life. We all feel for this family. And also
let no one believe that we are somehow saving this woman from a
horrific fate whichever route we choose.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Georgia (Mr. Kingston).
Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time.
Mr. Speaker, I am a cosponsors of the Weldon legislation. I respect
his opinion as a Floridian and as a doctor, but I am also a cosponsor
of the Sensenbrenner legislation, as I respect his lead and opinion as
a jurist, a lawyer, and as someone who knows the 14th amendment. And I
do believe there is a question about the 14th amendment, due process,
being followed or not.
Here is what we do know. Terri is not a PVS, someone in a permanent
vegetative state. Florida has a legal definition of this and it states
that one has to be permanent or irreversibly unconscious, with no
voluntary or cognitive behavior of any kind, and without ability to
communicate. Terri is able to laugh, she is able to cry, and she,
apparently, can hear. She responds to stimuli, such as voices, touch,
and people.
Six neurologists and eight medical professionals have testified that
she is not PVS, even though her husband has discontinued valuable
therapy now for nearly 10 years. Terri is not terminally ill. She is
not in the process of dying. She is not on a respirator, she is not on
dialysis, she is not on a pacemaker or any other 24-hour medical
equipment. She is not in a coma. And although parts of her brain are
permanently damaged, she is not brain dead.
Removing the feeding tube simply kills her by starvation and
dehydration. Terri did not have a living will. Even though her husband
has now stated that she would have wanted to die, he withheld this
information for 9 years and never came forth with it until the State
law in Florida said they would now allow hearsay evidence for living
wills. But up until then, there was nothing from her husband.
After the heart attack and chemical reaction in 1990, she was taking
therapy. And, in fact, she was able to speak and communicate to some
degree until 1993, when he discontinued the therapy. Mr. Speaker, if
there is a split decision, we should go with the 14th amendment and the
desire of the parents.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my
time.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Georgia (Mr. Price).
Mr. PRICE of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding
me this time.
Mr. Speaker, there have been a lot of charges talked about tonight
and a lot of emotion. This is a painful process. As a physician, I have
dealt with end-of-life decisions in families as they struggle countless
times. Why is this one different? First and foremost, there is no
living will in place; and, second, there is a fundamental disagreement
between Terri's husband and her parents, two who normally would agree.
There is also a disagreement among medical experts.
Now, where do we make disagreements when there are disagreements with
irreversible life-changing decisions? A court of law. What court?
Depends on the case. Does Congress have the authority? Absolutely.
Article I, Section 8 and Article III, section 1 give Congress the
authority to determine the jurisdiction of Federal courts, and that is
what we are doing here tonight.
Ideally, decisions are made among families. When loved ones disagree,
our society strongly, strongly believes in individual rights and that
they must be preserved. That is why all State death penalty cases get a
final review in Federal court, and that is all that is being asked
here.
As I sat in church this morning, I struggled with this and I prayed.
I prayed for a lowering of the rhetoric. I prayed for a decrease in the
emotion. This is not a clear-cut case. This is an extremely difficult
case, and I ask my colleagues for caution. It is right and just that we
have a final set of eyes, objective, nascent and responsible eyes,
review the case and provide that final cautious review. It is our
responsibility to ensure that right.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
It is true that the Constitution gives Congress the right to provide
the jurisdiction of the courts. This bill does that for one individual,
which, as the gentleman from Georgia's comments make clear, it is based
on the facts of the one case.
This is not an act of legislation, this is a case-by-case
adjudication because Members here genuinely dislike the outcome of the
Florida court system.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 6 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr.
Nadler).
Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time.
Mr. Speaker, this bill is a dangerously reckless way to deal with one
of the most serious issues we will ever confront. There is no way to
make these judgments easy, even when the express desires of the
patients are clear and unambiguous. Where there is disagreement on the
medical facts or on the wishes of the patient, these cases can be
heartrending and sometimes bitter, beyond the comprehension of those
who have been fortunate not to have to make these decisions.
So what does this bill do? This bill would place a Federal judge in
the middle of this case after the State courts have adjudicated it,
after doctors and family members and counsel and clergy and the courts
in Florida have struggled with it for years. After everything is over,
after all the facts have been established to the satisfaction of the
courts, all the appeals exhausted, the writ of certiary denied by the
Supreme Court of the United States, now we start all over again.
My colleagues wish to put one of those unelected Federal judges they
always denounce right in the middle of this and say the trial starts de
novo. Ignore everything the Florida courts have done. This expresses
contempt for the Florida courts, contempt for the Florida legislature.
Nothing is to be considered res judicata. No facts are to be considered
established.
This is not establishing a Federal appeal from the Florida courts on
the grounds that the Florida courts have violated some constitutional
rights we are familiar with; those kinds of procedures. No, this does
not do that. This simply says the Florida courts are incompetent. The
Florida legislature is incompetent. The Florida people are not to be
trusted in electing their judges and their legislators.
Instead, we are going to put this case, and only this case, in the
Federal courts from the very beginning and we instruct the Federal
courts to ignore the evidence in the Florida courts; to ignore the
procedures in the Florida courts; to ignore the testimony in the
Florida courts and to start all over, because we have contempt, because
we do not like the judgments of the Florida courts.
We have never, ever done such a thing in the history of this country,
and we should not start now. The Constitution of the United States says
there should be no ex poste facto law because it is fundamentally
unfair. This is not ex poste facto, it is not a criminal court, but it
is the same kind of legislation. It is a bill of attainder, in effect.
There is a reason why the
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Constitution prohibits bills of attainder and ex post fact laws, and
although this is not technically an ex poste facto law or a bill of
attainder, it violates all those reasons, and we should respect the
spirit of the Constitution of the United States.
Mr. Speaker, it is an uncontradicted fact, uncontradicted except for
the speculations of some orators in this Chamber, that Terri Schiavo
told her husband, told her sister-in-law, told her brother-in-law, told
various of her friends when attending funerals of close family members
who had been on life support, that she would ``not want to live like
that.'' The Florida court found that to be the case, to be the fact.
The guardian ad litem appointed by the court, in his report to the
court, found that.
This is not the case of a perhaps self-interested, conflict of
interested husband testifying to that. It is the case of the husband
saying that she told him that, the friends, the brothers-in-law, the
sisters-in-law. They all said the same thing. And the court found that,
as a matter of fact, that is what Terri Schiavo said that was her wish.
The doctors' testimony. The doctors testified, doctors who examined
her, not doctors standing up on the floor here who say, well, from the
video tape we can infer. Doctors can be deprived of their license for
making diagnoses from afar. But doctors who have actually examined this
patient have testified her cerebral cortex is liquefied; that it is
destroyed. Without a cerebral cortex there is no sensations, there is
no consciousness, there is no feeling, there is no pain, there is no
possibility of recovery.
That is what a persistent vegetative state is. There is no
possibility of recovery, despite the wishes, despite the fervent hopes,
despite the illusions of desperate relatives. We should not feed those
illusions.
And what has happened to family values that we talk about here? This
bill would invade the sanctity of the family, would invade the decision
of the husband. George Will, a noted conservative comentator and
philosopher, conservative enough so that he famously helped coach
Ronald Reagan for his debates in the Presidential debates in 1980, said
on television this morning, and I quote, ``Unless we are prepared to
overturn centuries of common law and more than two centuries of
constitutional law that says that husband and wife are one, therefore
clearly this is a decision to be made by the husband.''
Now, this is not just a decision made by the husband. This is a
decision made by Terri Schiavo, according to the testimony of the
husband and the brothers-in-law and the sisters-in-law. This is a
decision made by the husband and Terri Schiavo, according to all the
testimony. So we have no respect for the carefully established
procedures our States have set up to wrestle with these difficult
cases; no respect for the elected representatives of the Florida State
legislature or their judges.
Who are we to say they are wrong? Who are we to say Terri Schiavo and
her husband are wrong? Who are we to say that Terri Schiavo's husband
is self-interested? And who are we to say this is any different from
the thousands of cases of do-not-resuscitate orders that are given
effect in our courts and in our hospitals every day, other than the
fact that this case has gotten a lot of publicity and a lot of public
official intervention? This is hypocrisy at its greatest, and we ought
not to pass this bill.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
Mr. Speaker, I am a little bit puzzled, listening to my friend from
New York. At 151 Congressional Record, page H1599, the gentleman from
New York (Mr. Nadler) said, ``If a person thinks a court in a State is
depriving someone of civil rights, they can go into Federal Court.''
And at volume 150 Congressional Record at page H6580, the gentleman
from New York noted that without Federal courts, ``Obviously, the
progress we have witnessed in the area of civil rights would have been,
at the very least, stymied, and most likely prevented altogether.''
Now, all this bill does is to allow the parents of Terri Schiavo to
go into Federal Court to adjudicate her Federal constitutional and
legal rights. No more, no less.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Michigan (Mr.
Schwarz).
Mr. SCHWARZ of Michigan. Mr. Speaker, I shall not try to influence
the opinion of anyone on this issue. I will simply share with you my
opinion, the opinion of a physician of almost 41 years duration.
I am a head and neck surgeon. I have done cancer surgery almost all
of those years. I have done much maxillofacial trauma all of those
years and dealt with situations like this on numerous occasions.
Terri Schiavo has spontaneous respiratory activities and
respontaneous cardiac activity. She is not on life support, as we
routinely define it. She is not intubated and she is not on a
respirator.
And I give the gentleman from the State of Washington credit for his
knowledge of the physiology of the brain stem. He is right, it is very
robust, and that certainly is one of the things that is driving her
now. But she does have some cognition and some cortical activity.
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Removing her gastrostomy tube will ultimately cause her demise, a
commissive act that will cause the death of a human being.
How many others in this country are now in long-term care facilities
with feeding tubes, but able to breathe on their own, their hearts
beating strongly? Should their feeding tubes be removed as well? I
think not.
I believe it is wrong to remove a feeding tube from an individual
whose cardiopulmonary function is stable and who has some remaining
cognitive abilities. It is unfortunate in many ways that this venue is
where this issue will be decided, but removal of this feeding tube
under these very public circumstances is a slippery slope down which we
and the United States should not tread.
This bill deserves our support.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my
time.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman
from Colorado (Mrs. Musgrave).
Mrs. MUSGRAVE. I thank the gentleman from Wisconsin for his work.
Mr. Speaker, there are doctors in this Chamber, there are lawyers in
this Chamber, there are judges in this Chamber. I am none of those, but
I am an elected Member of Congress. I am also a mother. Tonight in this
gallery my daughter sits. I think of my daughter, I think of my other
three children, and I think of the day they were born. I think of the
milestones in their lives and the love that I have for them. I think of
the lengths that I would go to protect my children as adults even if
they had an injury. I think of the lengths that I would go to, to care
for my children. I would die for my children. I would do anything for
them.
My heart is raw when I hear the things about Terri Schiavo and her
mother and her father and her siblings, because I just lost my brother
in November. I think of how my life changed in an instant and all the
lives of those who cared for him. We talk about a family decision. What
about Terri's mom and dad? What about her siblings? What about the
people who cared for her and nurtured her as she was growing up? Do you
not think they know what Terri wants?
When we talk about a permanent vegetative state, I am offended by
that. Terri smiles and acknowledges the people that love her when they
come to see her. She cries when they leave. How heartless are we to
call somebody like Terri Schiavo a vegetable? What are we thinking?
When we think about this case, we need to think about the message
that we are sending to our children and our grandchildren. What we do
in this Chamber tonight is as important as anything we have done in
defending our Nation, in doing the things that we do as Members of
Congress. When we react to the Terri Schiavo case, when we think about
this legislation tonight, we need to think about the future and the
message we are sending to our children and our grandchildren.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 seconds to the
gentleman from New York (Mr. Nadler).
Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, I did indeed say that there can be Federal
court review of due process, obviously.
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That has happened here. And the Federal court said, ``Not only has Ms.
Schiavo's case been given due process in State court, but few if any
similar cases have ever been afforded this heightened level of
process.''
The difference in this bill is not that it is a review of State
court, but it orders a de novo proceeding to ignore everything that
happened in State court as if the State courts did not exist. That is
unprecedented, that is contemptuous, that is different; and that should
not be done.
She got the appellate review already. The appellate courts and
Federal court did not agree with the distinguished chairman. That is
not an indication for a new bill.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3\1/2\ minutes to
the gentleman from Washington (Mr. McDermott).
(Mr. McDERMOTT asked and was given permission to revise and extend
his remarks.)
Mr. McDERMOTT. Mr. Speaker, this case, what we are doing here
tonight, is not about Terri Schiavo. The evidence for that begins in
the way this was brought to this body, being brought in on St.
Patrick's Day at 11:30 at night, with no hearings, no notice to the
body, nothing. It was going to be rammed through here without
discussion.
And what troubles me, and I have heard my colleagues here, as a
psychiatrist, I cannot make diagnoses of people that I have not
examined. That is contrary to my profession, and I can be disciplined
for doing that. The rest of you can be doctors. You can come out here
and tell us anything you want. But a doctor cannot come out here and
say anything really about somebody they have not examined.
So what you are now doing with this, and you want it both ways. This
is what troubles me about this. On the one hand, you say this is not
precedent. This is only one case. This is only one case. What am I
supposed to do as a physician like the gentleman from Michigan (Mr.
Schwarz)? As a psychiatrist, I dealt over and over and over again with
family members facing this exact problem. It is gut-wrenching. You do
not get any planning process here. You do not get any, well, this is
going to happen in a month, why don't you get ready for it. It happens
and then you have got to make a decision. And there you are as a family
group. Everyone here is going to have this happen to them sometime.
When my father was 95 years old, he had had a couple of strokes. On
his first stroke, we talked to him. He was 93 before we ever talked
about a living will, okay? That is the way it is in America. That is
why we do not have Terri's words in a will. You do not think about
dying when you are young.
All right. So my father has had a stroke. We said to him, Dad, what
do you want us to do in terms of extending your life? He said, Well, I
don't want any of those paddles that they use on ER. They can do
artificial resuscitation, but I don't want that paddle thing.
Okay. The doctor came to me and said to me, Jim, the paddles are much
more humane than doing artificial resuscitation. If you press on an old
man's chest to try and start his heart from the external massage, you
break the ribs. Then he has got pain from broken ribs. Actually, the
paddle is much more humane.
So I went back to my father, and my brothers and I, we had a talk
with him, and he said, well, I want it done the way it should be done.
Then came the day when he had his third stroke and he could no longer
swallow, and he was on IVs. And so there were two brothers, a sister,
and me and my mother, and we had to stand around and decide whether or
not we were going to put in a stomach tube, a feeding tube. Anybody who
stands out here and says that is not an extraordinary process is
absolutely wrong. It is no different than being on a ventilator,
forcing air into someone's lungs, than it is forcing food into them.
That is exactly what it is.
You are throwing all that up in the air and leaving families and
doctors with nowhere to go because this is not setting precedent; this
is something to hide something else, some diversion of what is going on
in this House.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Arizona (Mr. Renzi).
Mr. RENZI. Mr. Speaker, tonight I stand with Terri's father, a man
who raised up his little girl and gave his daughter's hand in marriage
with the understanding that she would be protected in sickness and in
health, for better or for worse; with Terri's mother who brought her
into this world and gave her life, and to unite myself with Terri's
brother who continues to struggle for his sister. Together, each of
them is simply begging for her life.
None of my colleagues on the other side are kin to Terri. None of
them are related or are family. The only family she has left wants only
to provide her with water and nourishment.
Out of Florida, there is no justice. Justice requires her judges to
exercise prudence. Where is the legal analysis that weighs the issue of
Terri not being allowed a CAT scan and further medical diagnostic
evaluation? Where is the balance of the scales of justice that weighs
Terri's family's parental rights with those of her estranged husband?
Tonight's vote says we want a second look at this unique case. We want
mercy.
Be merciful and find true bravery and justice in preserving the life
of Terri Schiavo.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Indiana (Mr. Souder).
Mr. SOUDER. Mr. Speaker, as a pro-lifer, I have supported the efforts
of the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon) to save Terri Schiavo's life
from the beginning, but as I have learned more about this case it is
not just a case about traditional life debates. Normally those issues
are hard, but what is happening in this case is a moral outrage. Terri
Schiavo is not dependent upon life supports. She is dependent upon
being fed, only she cannot feed herself.
Years ago, my wife, Diane, when she worked at the Fort Wayne State
hospital and training center set up a feeding training program for
disabled people who could not feed themselves. Should they now die,
too? Terri swallows, shows eye movement, and seems to respond. She is a
living human being although with limited competency. Those who would
let her die can overplay her handicaps, but they cannot change the fact
that she is a living human being who is responsive.
Also, her guardian is supposed to protect the person they are
guarding, not take the money intended for life support, divert it and
offer no rehabilitation efforts. Many others who can swallow their
saliva and who can barely do anything beyond that have received help
for years. She did not get it because most of it was spent on attorneys
by her guardian who wanted to kill her. This is a moral outrage. Her
true guardian is her parents at this point. Her husband is in a
compromised position. With his fiancee and two children by that
fiancee, it would be very inconvenient if she recovered. It is an
outrage what is happening.
Furthermore, there are those who would say that States rights here
should prevail over the right of handicapped people to be killed.
Whether it be the Americans with Disabilities Act or the Medicaid that
has funded her because her husband's money that was supposed to be for
her rehabilitation was going to lawsuits to kill her or whether it is a
simple basic constitutional right to life, they all prevail over States
rights.
Let us not let Easter week 2005 become the week America let a
helpless, mentally disabled woman starve to death while the whole
Nation watched.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds.
We just heard what would have made an excellent summary in the legal
case in this matter, but not a legislative argument. We heard very
specific allegations and arguments which are hotly contested about the
individual case. The Americans with Disabilities Act was a general law.
It has nothing to do with this individual case here.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms.
Ginny Brown-Waite).
Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE of Florida. Mr. Speaker, on December 3, 1963,
Theresa Marie Schindler was born in Pennsylvania. At the time, I was
pregnant with my first child and my beautiful daughter, Danene, was
born 5 days later on December 8. She is my best friend and today she,
too, is a mom.
I certainly can relate to Mr. and Mrs. Schindler's love for their
daughter and
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their passionate fight to keep her alive. Mothers have a precious bond
with their daughters. The issues that we are discussing tonight are not
because those who may speak on one side or the other are right or wrong
or pro-life or pro-choice. The issue here is what Terri would have
wanted. It is not what we would want for ourselves or even our loved
ones. We should not be second-guessing a patient's wishes. That is not
what we were elected to Congress to do, nor do I believe that our
forefathers would have ever wanted us to be involved. Terri Schiavo's
constitutional right to make the decision she felt comfortable with is
being usurped by her parents and now this Congress by means of this
private bill.
Jay Wolfson was appointed guardian ad litem for Theresa Marie
Schiavo. I know Jay Wolfson and often called upon him when I was a
State senator chairing the health care committee, because I knew that
he could always give me an impartial review of controversial matters
relating to health care. Jay Wolfson's report to Governor Bush and the
Sixth Judicial Circuit dated December 1, 2003, reviewed the court
testimony and statements made by all family members. It is important to
know that the Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had
told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they
would not do it. Throughout this painful and difficult time, these same
family members acknowledged that Terri was in an irreversible,
persistent vegetative state.
Today, I burned up the phone calling health care professionals that I
know back in Florida. These are people who make life-and-death
decisions and realize that the 5-year-old video we see on TV of the eye
blinking and apparent movements are an involuntary reflexive action
known as part of the autonomic nervous system.
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Almost everybody in the health care profession that I spoke to are
avid pro-life people, but they know the sad facts. Their comments were
almost to a person, something to the effect of 15 years of being in a
persistent vegetative state is far too long to suffer. To second guess
the Florida legislature, Florida courts, and Terri's choice is just
plain wrong. We should not be engaged in second guessing many
neurologists and on-site health care profession always who have seen
the patient, performed tests, and attested to the courts that Terri is
not going to recover.
This is a very difficult decision that I know does not come easily
for any Member of this body. It is gut wrenching and reaches deep into
our hearts. My daughter, who was born 5 days after Terri Schiavo, is a
health care professional, who, when I asked if she would want me to
battle to keep a feeding tube in if she had not signed a living will,
said to me, and I want the Members to bear in mind that she is a health
care professional who deals day in and day out with patients with
feeding tubes, but the difference is that they are not in a vegetative
state, her response to me was sufficient to help me make up my mind.
She said to me, No, Mom. If you really loved me, you would want me to
have rest and meet the Lord.''
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Texas (Mr. Conaway).
Mr. CONAWAY. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of this bill tonight with
a heavy heart, as is everybody in this Chamber.
I would, though, like to address an important issue that we have not
talked much about, and that is the conflict of interest that I believe
her husband has with respect to his decisions that are supposedly in
her best interest. I have spent a professional career as a CPA working
under a code of conduct that requires me to function without conflicts
of interest. I have to disqualify myself as an auditor if I have got a
conflict of interest that is in appearance or in fact. This body has
heard much about the importance of conflicts of interest, whether in
the Sarbanes-Oxley bill that talks about the relationship of auditors
and their clients, or campaign finance laws where it talks about the
impact that money has on these conflicts of interest.
Terri's husband has, in my mind, a significant and apparent conflict
of interest in this matter. Her husband is her guardian, and he is duty
bound, in my mind, to make decisions that are in Terri's best interest.
Even the most casual observer would conclude that he is conflicted.
He lives with another woman. He has fathered two children with this
other woman. This is a conflict of interest between what is in his
personal best interest and his wife and children's best interests and
those of Terri's.
We have heard much about Terri's condition tonight, but what we have
not heard, though, is much evidence of her current condition, evidence
such as tests and MRIs and brain scans and swallowing tests that we
could objectively evaluate her condition through these tests. Her
husband has categorically prevented this from happening throughout the
last 7 years. I do not believe the issue of Terri's husband's conflict
of interest and its impact on her condition have been given a proper
review. I have heard her brother tell us this evening about the lack of
care that has been insisted upon by her husband throughout the last 7
years, simple tests, trips outside into the sunshine.
I support this bill that would allow a review of Terri's case,
including the role of her husband's decision and his conflicts of
interest.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the
gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Shays).
Mr. SHAYS. Mr. Speaker, my heart goes out to Terri Schiavo, her
parents, and family, and, yes, even to her husband. My heart goes out
to everyone who may have found themselves in a similar situation in the
past or might find themselves in a similar situation in the future.
I wanted to stay back in Connecticut and avoid having to cast a vote
because I do not want to play God, and either way I vote I feel I am.
We all know this is a time for real thoughtfulness and wisdom and
inspiration, and I believe that is what we are all trying to do. On
both sides of the aisle we ask ``Let the words of my mouth and the
meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my Strength
and my Redeemer.''
Sanctity of life, sanctity of marriage, sanctity of an individual to
decide for themselves what should happen to their own life, I find
myself wondering why is there so much focus on this life when we ignore
the countless lives throughout the world who die minute by minute, hour
by hour, day by day from hunger and disease that this Congress could
address and this Congress could prevent? Why only Terri when there are
others like her in our country?
The only way this bill has any legitimacy is if it applies to all
cases, not just Terri's, and that is what concerns me. How deep is this
Congress going to reach? How deep is this Congress going to reach into
the personal lives of each and every one of us?
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman
from Missouri (Mr. Blunt), the distinguished whip.
Mr. BLUNT. Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairman for yielding me this
time.
I also want to thank the Speaker for the difficult decision to call
the Members back, though the difficult decision maybe was made less
difficult by the circumstances. The hard work of the gentleman from
Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner) over the last few days; of the gentleman
from Texas (Mr. DeLay), majority leader; the work of the gentleman from
Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), who may not be on the same side as I am when we
take the vote tonight, but who has certainly worked hard to see what we
could do to make this work in the best possible way for the Members,
who were called back.
Terri Schiavo is in a terrible situation tonight. She has been in a
terrible situation for a long time, a situation none of us would want
to be in, a situation we would not want our loved ones in, a situation
we would not have to decide about, but when this happens we do have to
decide. And there is clearly a conflict between members of Terri's
family about what she would want to happen.
Someone observed earlier that when one is her age they probably have
not written that down yet, and of course that is right. When one is my
age they
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probably should have written that down, and sometime in the next few
days I am going to check to see what I wrote 10 years ago and if I
still agree with what I wrote 10 years ago, as I suspect many of us
will. But she had not written it down.
Some people seem to think she would feel much differently about this
than others. And what this legislation would do is let a judge come in
and look at all the facts one more time and determine if what is
happening should continue to happen.
I know others have said there is no real difference in just giving
someone food and water and putting someone on incredible life support
systems. I see a difference. I think most Americans see a difference.
We will see if a judge sees a difference, if in fact we are able to
give a judge that opportunity.
We are not deciding tonight anything that a family should be
deciding. We are asking a judge to come in and decide what a family
among themselves could not decide. I have heard other people here talk
about family members getting together and making this tough decision.
But nobody has talked about family members getting together and
fighting over that decision and what they would want to happen if that
fight happened in their family.
The vote tonight will be a bipartisan vote. This is not about
Democrats or Republicans. I hope this is not about politics. I hope
this is about Terri Schiavo. This bill also has a study that would
require us to look at other circumstances and see if we should have the
broader legislation that the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon) and
others, Democrats and Republicans, introduced last week.
Mr. Speaker, I urge that this legislation pass, that we get this done
as quickly as possible.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my
time.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Colorado (Mr. Beauprez).
Mr. BEAUPREZ. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time.
I thank the Speaker, as has already been acknowledged. It is his
leadership that has brought this issue to the floor tonight, and again
I commend him for that leadership.
Mr. Speaker, there has been much said tonight, much eloquence on both
sides, about this issue. I fear sometimes that in our effort to try to
come to some sort of conclusion that we actually overthink an issue
once in a while. We think just enough to get in the way of our common
sense. I hope that is not the case here tonight.
I believe fairly deeply that life does have a purpose. I lost my
father 6 months and 6 days ago tonight. And in his very final days, he
too needed to be fed by a tube. He needed help with his basic bodily
functions, could not get out of his bed, could not take care of
himself. But in the 56 years of life I have been granted, Mr. Speaker,
I shared the most intimate, the most profound moment I ever had with my
father about 36 hours before he passed away, after he could no longer
speak, after he could no longer feed himself or care for himself in
almost any manner at all. He communicated with his eyes, and he
communicated with a hand on my forehead in the most profound way
imaginable. I would have regretted deeply had I been denied that
moment, and I am absolutely convinced, Mr. Speaker, that my father
would have regretted having been denied that moment as well.
Outside this Chamber there is a statue of Thomas Jefferson. Thomas
Jefferson was the one, of course, who told us about those inalienable
rights, those rights that cannot be taken away from us by anyone, those
rights that come from our Creator. Those rights, of course, include
life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I think if we are going to make mistakes, and God knows certainly
that we make mistakes, we are human, but if we are going to make
mistakes let us err on the side of life, not denying life but granting
life and giving every opportunity to that.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5\1/2\ minutes to
the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Conyers), ranking member of the
Committee on the Judiciary.
Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Massachusetts
for his leadership tonight.
Mr. Speaker, if we pass this bill, we will be intruding in the most
sensitive possible family decision at the most ill-opportune time. It
will be hard to envision a case or circumstance that Congress will not
be willing to involve itself from now on if this precedent is approved
this evening. By passing legislation which takes sides in an ongoing
legal dispute, we will be casting aside the principle of the separation
of powers. We will be abandoning our role as a serious legislative
branch, and we will be taking on the role, as we have done during this
debate, of judge, of doctor, of priest, of parent, or spouse.
By passing legislation which wrests jurisdiction away from a State
judge and sends it to a single preselected Federal court, we will
forego any pretense of federalism. The concept of a Jeffersonian
democracy as envisioned by the Founders and the States as
``laboratories of democracy,'' as articulated by Justice Brandeis, will
lie in tatters.
By passing this legislation in a complete absence of hearings,
committee markups, no amendments, in complete violation of what we once
called ``regular order,'' we will send a signal that the usual rules of
conduct and procedure no longer apply when they are inconvenient to the
majority party.
My friends on the other side of the aisle will declare that this
legislation is about principle and morals and values. But if this
legislation was only about principle, why would the majority party be
distributing talking points in the other body declaring that ``this is
a great political issue'' and that by passing this bill ``the pro-life
base will be excited''?
If the President of the United States really cared about the issue of
the removal of feeding tubes, then why did he sign a bill as Governor
in Texas that allows hospitals to save money by removing feeding tubes
over a family's objection?
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If we really cared about saving lives, why would the Congress sit
idly by while more than 40 million Americans have no health insurance,
or while the President tries to cut billions of dollars from Medicaid,
a virtual lifeline for health care for millions of our citizens?
When all is said and done, this bill is about taking sides in a legal
dispute, which we should not be doing. Last year, the majority passed
two bills stripping the Federal courts of their power to review cases
involving the Defense of Marriage Act and the Pledge of Allegiance
because they feared they would read the Constitution too broadly. Last
month, the majority passed a class action bill that took jurisdiction
away from State courts because they feared they would treat corporate
wrongdoers too harshly. Today, we are sending a case from State courts
to the Federal courts, even though it is already the most extensively
litigated right-to-die case in the history of the United States.
There is only one principle at stake here: manipulating the court
system to achieve predetermined, substantive outcomes. By passing this
bill, it should be obvious to many that we are no longer a Nation of
laws, but have been reduced to a Nation of men. By passing this law, we
will be telling our friends abroad that even though we expect them to
live by the rule of law, Congress can ignore it when it does not suit
our needs. By passing this law, we diminish our Nation as a democracy
and ourselves as legislators.
Do not let this bill pass.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute to correct
the record.
There have been statements made on the actions of then-Governor
George W. Bush of Texas. I would like to correct the record on this.
In 1997, then-Governor Bush vetoed an advanced directives bill
precisely because it would have given specific legal sanction to such
involuntary denial of lifesaving treatment. An effort in the Texas
legislature to amend the bill to require treatment pending transfer to
a health care provider willing to provide the lifesaving treatment had
been defeated.
With no legal protections at all under Texas law, and ongoing
programs in Texas hospitals denying treatment with no opportunity to
even seek
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transfer, pro-life groups entered into negotiations with medical groups
that finally resulted in the bill that, one, formalized more
protections for in-hospital review; two, gave patients 10 days of
treatment while seeking transfer; and, three, authorized court
proceedings to extend the 10 days for reasonable additional periods of
time to accomplish transfer. That is what the Governor signed.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr.
Cole).
Mr. COLE of Oklahoma. Mr. Speaker, when I came here tonight, I had no
intention to speak on this issue for, frankly, the most personal of
reasons: a year ago my brother and I were involved in making precisely
this same kind of decision where my mother was concerned. We were
fortunate. We had been empowered by her to make that decision, we were
in agreement on the decision, and the medical professionals and her
minister agreed with us about that decision. So we got to make that
decision in the privacy and with the dignity that one would want for
every family in that situation.
As I listen to the debate tonight, I think the opponents of this
measure have made many good and interesting points. They have talked
about States' rights, they have talked about precedent, they have
discussed separation of powers, and they discussed the importance of
the legislative process. All of those are important and legitimate
points, and they merit discussion.
But while we discuss them, a life is in the balance, and that is
really the only immediate and compelling issue before us tonight.
What do we know about that life and about the conditions of that
life? We know that the family disagrees about the condition, about the
fate, and about the appropriate course of action where Terri Schiavo is
concerned. We know that she is not on artificial life support, only
receiving hydration and nutrition. We know that there is split medical
testimony about her condition and her quality of life. We know that
there are issues of conflict of interest and motivation about those
making the final decision. And we know that if we do not act, Terri
Schiavo will die.
Great questions often are raised by individual cases, inconvenient
cases, cases that break precedent, cases that confront us when we
prefer not to be confronted.
Mr. Speaker, life and individual rights trump all else. Where there
is doubt, we should err, if err we do, on the side of protecting the
rights of any individual, especially when it is the right to life. We
should make sure that Terri Schiavo has her day in Federal court. It is
the right thing to do, it is the decent thing to do, it is the only
thing to do.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the
gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Capuano).
Mr. CAPUANO. Mr. Speaker, you have heard all the legal arguments, all
the moral arguments. We see these things differently, and I understand
that. I am here to speak for myself.
I have a living will that I wrote years ago, and I will check it
myself as many Americans will. The bottom line is, I do not want you
interfering with my wife and me. Leave us alone. Let us make our own
decisions. It is not up to you. That has always been the way it has
been in this country, and that is the way it should be.
For 6 years I have been hearing how the nuclear family is all we care
about. Now we do not. Stay out of my family. If you can do it here, you
can do it to me. You can do it to every one of my constituents.
Leave us alone. Let my nuclear family make my decisions and my wife's
decisions without your input.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Tennessee (Mr. Wamp).
Mr. WAMP. Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairman for yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, I come to the floor to just speak about the issue of
being here in the first place. When I was home for a couple of days,
several friends asked questions about this case. My mother even called
to inquire.
Like the gentlewoman from Colorado, I am just an earnest layman, not
a lawyer or a physician, even though I have been very impressed from
both sides with the input from the distinguished lawyers and physicians
that are in these Chambers, and I think we should come often now as
technology develops exponentially and just ask questions of ourselves
about medical ethics and where we really are.
I reject the notion that this is about politics. I do know something
about politics, and I would say this is not good politics for either
side. This is about life and death.
I do believe that this is somewhat about ideology, though. The
gentleman from Massachusetts said so, and I believe there is a culture
of life that many conservatives are willing to stand for.
I frankly think that many liberals for a long time used every tool at
their disposal to push their perspective, and I am glad conservatives
are finally figuring out that that needs to be done from time to time.
I think this is a thoughtful process; I think it is a necessary
process. I think the Federal representatives, when we face these
issues, should not hide or shirk the responsibility. We should come
here.
Now, I am concerned about the separation of powers and the tenth
amendment, and I have a record for a decade of standing on almost a
libertarian platform on some of these issues. But I do not think we are
going too far here. This is a review. It is simply a review. It is a
reasonable step.
To the gentleman from Massachusetts, you have a living will. To the
whole country, if you do not want your family in this dilemma, and you
should not, get a living will, so that it is clear, so it is not
questioned, so that you will not have a case come to the floor of the
House with you. The lesson here is everyone in this country should have
a living will, so it is cut and dried, so we know, and the legislative
bodies in Florida or Montana or Washington, D.C. will not have to be
involved.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the
gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Levin).
(Mr. LEVIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, 15 years ago or so I worked with colleagues
in the Senate on the difficult issues relating to the wishes of people
who were going to receive medical care if they were incapacitated. We
required that State laws be told to patients about living wills and
advance directives.
The Florida judicial system has worked hard to follow its laws and to
try to discern what was or would have been the wishes of Mrs. Schiavo.
Section 1 of the bill says: ``The U.S. District Court for the Middle
District of Florida shall have jurisdiction to hear, determine and
render judgment on a suit or claim by or on behalf of Mrs. Schiavo for
the alleged violation of any of her rights under the Constitution or
Federal laws.''
That court has already addressed that issue, it did so just a few
days ago, and here is what it decided: ``The court finds there is not a
substantial likelihood the petitioners will prevail on their Federal
constitutional claim.'' That is the same court to whom you are sending
this case. And the Supreme Court of our country denied review.
So essentially what you are doing now for one case is changing the
Federal rules, for one case, and saying there shall be a de novo
hearing, disregarding everything that has happened through the State
courts and Federal courts until now. In a word, what you are doing is
allowing the rule of law of this country to be twisted in the winds. It
is a mistake.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from North Carolina (Mr. McHenry).
Mr. McHENRY. Mr. Speaker, tonight we are taking on one of the great
moral issues of our day, our basic sanctity of life, our right to life;
and what you hear tonight is a lot of emotion.
We have all had experiences with situations similar to this, or we
know those that have dealt with these tough issues. We know family
members that have dealt with these tough issues of end-of-life
decisions. And tonight we as a body are wrestling with this issue. Just
like America is, we are wrestling with this great issue.
But I submit to you, tonight, we are not talking simply about Terri
Schiavo. We are not talking simply about Terri Schiavo's family. We are
talking about a greater issue: How shall we be judged as a civil
society? And I submit to you that we will be judged by how we treat the
least
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among us, those that may not defend themselves, the young, the mentally
disabled, the physically disabled.
How shall we be judged as a civil society? What kind of government
shall we have? As a Federal Government, I believe we have an obligation
to step forward and say that we shall protect life. Even when it is
tough, we shall protect life, and a woman's right to live. And tonight,
Mr. Speaker, there is a woman in Florida that is being starved, and we
are acting tonight to preserve her right to live and give her the
opportunity of a tomorrow.
I say to you, tonight, Mr. Speaker, this is not about Terri Schiavo;
it is about every one of us in this room. It is about millions of
Americans across this Nation. We are all potentially Terri Schiavos.
Mr. Speaker, I urge support for this bill.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to
the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott).
Mr. SCOTT of Virginia. Mr. Speaker, a lot has been said about the
details of this case. I just want to say a word about the process,
because we should honor and respect the rule of law, and laws should be
applied equally to all.
This is a special bill, special treatment to just one case. This bill
does not grant a Federal right of review to cases like this. This bill
applies just to this one case.
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The majority in Congress apparently has already decided the proper
outcome of the case, a decision different from the next of kin and
State court judges who have heard evidence from both sides.
Present law has a process to ascertain whether or not a patient is in
a persistent vegetative state, and it should not matter what
politicians think. There is a process. But this case will be given
special treatment because Members of Congress have made a different
diagnosis. Present law also places the decisions in the hands of the
next of kin, the husband. But Congress apparently does not agree with
the next of kin; and this bill, therefore, gives special legal standing
to other relatives.
This is not the only recent example of special treatment. A few years
ago, a child custody case in the Washington, D.C. area was decided by
special legislative language in a transportation appropriations bill.
The Committee on Education and the Workforce considering a case on
appeal between the Department of Labor and a bank retroactively changed
the law to fix the result on behalf of the bank. The House passed
legislation to fix a result in firearms liability legislation so that
the National Rifle Association got to try the issue in the legislative
branch after they had made contributions to legislators who will decide
the result, rather than being relegated to the impartial judge and jury
where ordinary citizens have to try their cases.
Mr. Speaker, we should honor the rule of law and apply that law in
all cases. There are cases like this all over the country, but this
bill applies only to this case because the relatives were able to get
the attention of the United States Congress.
If Congress wants to establish a Federal right of review in cases
like this, a new rule of law, so be it; but that law should apply to
all whether or not they have a Member of Congress to introduce a
special bill. Let us honor and respect the rule of law to be applied
equally to all and reject this legislation.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Minnesota (Mr. Kennedy).
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, since I was a child and to
this very day on the floor of the House I have been guided by a
fundamental principle that we as men and women, indeed, we as a society
will be judged according to how we treat the most vulnerable amongst
us. That is the issue we face today. I believe Terri Schiavo's case
must be judged in that context.
For me the following points are the most important: Terri left no
living will or written instructions; Terri's mom and dad, the people
that have loved her the longest and have fought so valiantly for her,
want responsibility for their daughter. I spoke with her brother who
wants his parents to be able to protect his sister.
Terri's life has value and worth, and we must do everything we can to
protect her rights and those of other disabled people here in America.
The law ought not to provide, should not provide, more protection for
murderers guilty of terrible crimes than for an innocent woman lying in
a Florida hospital bed. So today we must act on behalf of Terri
Schiavo. Congress must act on behalf of all of those who cannot speak
for themselves and defend themselves.
Americans believe in a culture of life, not a culture that tells the
weak and vulnerable there is no place for them at the table. There must
be a place for them at our table. We make progress towards that culture
of life, one life at a time, one heart at a time. Today let us start by
helping Terri Schiavo live.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to
the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Watt).
Mr. WATT. Mr. Speaker, I just came in on the plane from North
Carolina, and I found myself thinking a lot about what we are doing
here this evening. Wondering, first of all, what this vote is going to
cost the American people, making a mental calculation that probably 4,
$5 million we are spending on this one vote this evening, and wondering
how many children are going to go to bed hungry tonight and how many we
could feed with that amount of money; how many feeding tubes we have
withdrawn by our own indifference in this body, by the decisions that
we have made in this body that pit one group against another.
I found myself wondering where the compassion was last week when we
tried to rally the Members of this body behind the Congressional Black
Caucus' agenda and budget and pointed out to them that 886,000 more
people died over the last 10 years, African Americans, because they did
not get the same kind of quality of medical care that white Americans
got, just the difference in the qualities.
Where was your compassion when we tried to get you to address that
issue?
The compassion comes out in this one case, but where is the
compassion when we point out to you every single day that people are
starving and dying and seeking justice and you will not hear it?
How do we define compassion here? We have got to look at a bigger
global picture, I think. You cannot just react to one person's
situation. Where is your compassion when we need you?
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 5 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, I have listened to this debate intently; and the
complaints that I have heard from people who are opposed to this bill,
feelings that are sincerely held and emotions that are sincerely held
is why are we picking on this one case, the case of Terri Schiavo?
That was not my desire in the beginning, and it was not the desire of
the entire House of Representatives either.
Wednesday night the House passed H.R. 1332, which was a bill which I
introduced that applied to everybody who is in an incapacitated state,
a major protection for people who are disabled. Everybody who is
disabled could get a Federal review of their Federal constitutional and
legal rights, including that under the Americans With Disability Act.
We had a debate on the floor, and it passed unanimously. And there
was a move in the other body to bring it up, and it was objected to;
and that is why this issue was not resolved with a general law of
general application. I hope we revisit that issue some time in the
future so that we do not have to deal with a specific case again. But
we are here because we could not get H.R. 1332 passed in the other
body.
I also think this is an issue of priorities, priorities of what we
put a higher priority on in terms of how we provide food and
nourishment to living human beings. In Florida they have a statute
number 828.12 that says if you do not feed an animal you can go to jail
for a year and be fined $5,000. So in Florida an animal has a higher
right than this woman, and that is a wrong priority, and this bill
attempts to correct it.
No Federal court has agreed to hear Terri Schiavo's Federal claims
while her State court remedies were not yet exhausted. Now that her
State courts remedies are exhausted, she has only two means of
obtaining Federal court review under current law.
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The first means is in the lower Federal court through the habeas
corpus statute, and the second is by petitioning the Supreme Court
directly. First she can try to obtain habeas relief under the current
Federal law. On Friday she was denied that relief by the Florida
Federal District Court. That denial has been appealed to the 11th
Circuit Court of Appeals which requested the briefs of her husband's
lawyers by seven o'clock tonight. No one knows when the 11th circuit
will make a final decision, and they may yet deny her habeas relief. So
time is of the essence.
In any case, even if she is granted a habeas review of her case, she
faces a major obstacle in that the Federal habeas corpus statute
essentially requires the Federal court to defer to the State court's
determination regarding the facts of this case. So even if the habeas
petition is granted, the deck is stacked against her.
Second, Terri Schiavo's lawyers can try to obtain relief in the
Supreme Court. So far her lawyers have petitioned for and been denied
an emergency hearing. Her lawyers are currently pursuing an ordinary
appeal directly to the Supreme Court, but that appeal process will
extend for weeks at least; and in any case, her appeal will likely be
denied because the Supreme Court will generally not take a case without
a lower Federal court's first establishing a record.
The bottom line is that first, the 11th circuit may yet deny Terri
Schiavo her habeas petition. Second, even if they granted it, she would
likely lose her case under the very difficult procedural hurdles any
habeas petitioner faces. Third, she has already been denied an
emergency review by the Supreme Court. And, fourth, the ordinary review
process in the Supreme Court will take far too long. She will probably
die in the interim.
Consequently, Terri Schiavo's only hope is the current bill which
will guarantee a fresh review of her case in the lower Federal court
immediately, without any deference to State court determination and
with the lower Federal court issuing a stay of the State court order
until it can determine the Federal claims the court is required to hear
under this bill on its merits.
That is what Terri Schiavo needs, and that is what this bill will get
her, and that is why it should pass.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 20 seconds.
The gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner) earlier implied that
I was being inconsistent because I said I was for habeas corpus. He
quoted something. He has just cited the inadequacy of habeas corpus in
this case. Yes, I am for habeas corpus. This goes, as he just
acknowledged, far beyond it.
Secondly, he acknowledged our objections to this individual private
bill on one case by blaming the Senate. In other words, he has
acknowledged that this is an inappropriate bill and that is all we have
said.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Missouri (Mr.
Cleaver).
Mr. CLEAVER. Mr. Speaker, I have served as the senior pastor of St.
James United Methodist Church for 30 years, for 30 years. And over
those 30 years, I have had countless men and women who have come to me
in situations of decisions that had to be made regarding family
members; and in the privacy of a home or in a waiting room, we have
dealt with those decisions.
Tonight, I want to talk about the shame of this debate. The shame of
this debate is that in spite of the fact that we are a great
legislative body, we are a body that determines peace and war, but we
are not a hallowed body. And the fact that we are engaged in this
debate is proof positive of the fact that we are a fractured body. And
what we need to also understand is that we live in a world of echoes, a
world of echoes. And a thoughtless word falling from the lips of
Members here can travel around this country and do even more damage to
the divisions that we have in this Nation.
We are doing that. We have even used the inflammatory word ``kill.''
We were doing damage to this country, and it is shameful that we would
do this.
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Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield for purposes of a
unanimous-consent request to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Cardin).
(Mr. CARDIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. CARDIN. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I rise first to extend my thoughts and prayers to the
loved ones of Teresa Marie Schiavo at this extraordinarily difficult
time.
America has seen the anguish in the faces of Ms. Schiavo's family
members. The legislation we are considering will determine whether we
will send to federal court one case that has been adjudicated in
Florida's state courts for nearly a decade.
For the past seven years, this particular case has traveled through
Florida's state court system. The Florida courts determined through a
review of testimony that, as her husband has testified, Terri Schiavo
would not have wanted her life continued by artificial means. This
Congress has chosen to disregard the ruling of the state court, the
appeals court and Florida's Supreme Court. This bill stands in stark
contrast to the principles of federalism, and it is the wrong direction
for this Congress to take.
But as this debate is carried out before the entire world, it is
clear that the issue is far more fundamental than state versus federal
jurisdiction. The issue before us involves one of the most personal and
controversial matters we face as humans: how do we deal with end-of-
life care decisions for patients who cannot speak for themselves?
Certainly not through this unprecedented act of intrusion into a
personal family matter.
I believe the authors of this bill know that this is not the correct
approach. Section 9 of this bill includes a ``Sense of Congress that
the 109th Congress should consider policies regarding the status and
legal rights of incapacitated individuals who are incapable of making
decisions concerning the provision, withholding or withdrawal of foods,
fluids, or medical care.''
When to stop life support when a person has no chance of recovery is
an arduous decision. It is for that reason that Congress passed in 1990
the Patient Self-Determination Act as part of OBRA '90, which requires
all hospitals, long term care facilities, home health agencies, hospice
programs and HMOs that receive Medicare and Medicaid dollars to
recognize a patient's living will and power of attorney for health care
as advance directives. Health care organizations must provide patients
with written information about establishing an advance directive and
document if the patient has an advance directive that is placed in the
patient's medical record. Patients are then able to decide in advance
what medical treatment they want to receive if they become physically
or mentally unable to communicate their wishes.
This piece of legislation gives patients the right to make choices
and decisions about the types and extent of medical care they wish for
themselves. With this act, patients can specify if they want to accept
or refuse specific medical care. They can also identify a legal
representative for urgent health care decision purposes. Then if they
become unable to make decisions due to illness, the patients' wishes
have been clearly documented at an earlier point of time.
Unfortunately, Ms. Schiavo did not execute an advance directive.
There is conflicting information as to her wishes as expressed by her
husband and parents. That conflict was resolved by the appropriate
Florida court. It is not appropriate for Congress to pass special
legislation for this one case.
Fifteen years after the passage of the Patient Self-Determination
Act, the vast majority of Americans have not completed an advance
directive. My colleague in the Senate, Bill Nelson, has introduced
legislation that would improve compliance with the 1990 legislation and
provide a benefit under Medicare for end-of-life consultation. That is
the bill Congress should move as we debate this complex issue, not the
bill that's currently before us.
If we enact this bill, it could very well result in an avalanche of
cases in federal court. According to medical experts, as many as 35,000
Americans--nearly one-third of them children--are in a condition
similar to that of Terri Schiavo. Their families face the same
difficult decision-making process that Ms. Schiavo's parents and
husband are contending with. I believe most Americans would agree that
the last thing we want to do is encourage more divisive court cases and
bills of this nature.
Regardless of the outcome of this vote, there will be no clear
winners at the conclusion of this debate. Our judicial system and the
rights of patients and their next-of-kin to make end-of-life decisions
with their providers will be clear losers. Congress should never have
considered this legislation.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the
gentlewoman from Indiana (Ms. Carson).
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Ms. CARSON. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time, a girl from Indianapolis, Indiana. For the life of me, I cannot
understand why we are here. We were all snatched out of our houses of
worship to run to Washington to violate the trial of the judicial, the
legislative, and the administrative. But I guess the leadership
understands what it is. They are calling it a wedge between Democrats
and Republicans, I am calling it what is right and what is wrong.
We have no business being here. There are families across this
country who are losing their Medicare right now because of the policy
we set, and they cannot get any more. The doctors are screaming. I am
sure a lot of people have heard them. They are screaming to their
Congress people saying give our Medicare and our Medicaid back or else
we cannot treat these patients. Yet we are going to make one single
case in Florida get all the Medicare they want.
My heart goes out to this family. I know this is a very dark season
for them. I know justice will prevail and God will have the last
answer. But Congress should not have the last answer because it is none
of our business. This is called meddling.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the
gentlewoman from Ohio (Ms. Kaptur).
Ms. KAPTUR. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time. I want to speak from love and compassion, not just the law, and
embrace the strongest pro-family position as we move in this debate.
The Schiavo and Schindler families need our prayers to do for Terry
what not a single one of us wishes to imagine, to make a decision on
the life of a beloved as they traverse the jagged edge of being.
Terri's family, all of them, love her. She is not alone. But her
being belongs not to us but to God and to them. All of us are mere
bystanders, the Speaker, ABC News, Jeb Bush, and every single one of
us. Only Terri's family has walked the profound journey of
accompaniment with her for the last 15 years, and it has been a long
suffering one.
Of one thing I am certain. This decision on Terri does not belong in
this Congress. In fact, it does not even belong in the courts. It lies
with the family, those closest to her, even when that family is
divided, bitter, exhausted, and unable to reconcile.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/4\ minutes to
the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Wasserman Schultz).
Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Mr. Speaker, our colleagues have spent this
evening reiterating factually inaccurate information, and I want to
make sure we clear it up.
The independent guardian ad litem appointed to represent Terri
Schiavo has said in his report that, despite the facts cited by my
colleagues on the other side of the aisle who have said that Terri felt
pain and laughs and cries, that that is factually inaccurate; that her
cerebral cortex has been liquefied, and that is the area of the brain
that responds to emotion and reason. So that is impossible what they
have detailed here tonight.
Additionally, they talk about six neurologists and eight physicians
that have said that she is not in a persistent vegetative state. Also
factually inaccurate. Those physicians to which they refer have only
viewed Terri via videotape. The five court-appointed physicians that
have examined Terri, two appointed on Michael Schiavo's side, two on
the Schindlers' side, and one court-appointed physician, who have all
examined her, the board certified neurologists who had scientifically-
based academically-researched testimony, their testimony was deemed to
be clear and convincing by the court that she was and is in a
persistent vegetative state. The other physicians' testimony was
discounted as anecdotal only.
In addition to that, I want to just close with the commentary from
the guardian ad litem. He spent 20 of 30 days with her. He put his face
up close to hers and tried to make eye contact, pleading desperately,
trying to will her into giving him any kind of sign. He said, I would
beg her, please, Terri, help me. You want to believe there is some
connection. You hope she is going to sit up in bed and say, ``Hey, I'm
really here, but don't tell anybody.'' Or, ``I'm really here, tell
everybody.''
But Schiavo never made eye contact. When Wolfson visited her when her
parents were there, she never made eye contact with them either, he
said. And for all of Wolfson's pleadings and coaxings, he never got
what he most wanted: A sign. He said, I felt like there was something
distinctive about whoever Terri is, but I was not clear it was there,
inside the vessel.
During those 30 days, Wolfson was plagued by nightmares. He concluded
that the medical and legal evidence behind Schiavo's diagnosis of being
in a persistent vegetative state was credible, but he still felt that
for all their expertise, those medical experts would never truly know
where Schiavo was.
He was dismayed to learn Friday that Barbara Weller, an attorney for
the Schindlers, claimed Schiavo tried to speak. He said, Terri does not
speak. To claim otherwise reduces her to a fiction.''
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of my
time to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), our whip, the ranking
member on our side who is here tonight, to close on our side. The
minority leader, who is traveling overseas, is unable, obviously, to be
here.
Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, this has been an extraordinarily serious
debate. It has been in many ways a real debate, with each Member rising
and understanding the seriousness of the issues which we consider. On
the one hand, we consider the life of one young woman, a young woman
struck by tragedy, shared by her family and by her friends and by her
country.
One of the striking facts of American life and American culture is
the great importance that America puts on the individual: One life, one
swallow that God cares for and plans for. We are here as colleagues who
have almost to a person experienced the same kind of pain and trauma
that the Schiavo family now faces.
The gentlewoman from Ohio correctly stated that Terri is loved by her
husband, by her parents, by her brother, by others in her family. Those
of us who have been in that place know how difficult it is.
I had not expected, as my colleagues had not expected, to be back in
this House to consider this legislation. When we were called back by
the Speaker, and the leader and I discussed the circumstances under
which the call would come, trying to accommodate Members as best as
possible, I did what I presumed many of you did. I referred to the
facts that I could find.
On the one hand, my reaction was that I am concerned that we appear
to be a Congress that is flexible on the jurisdiction of courts. When
we agree with the decisions that courts make, we leave them
jurisdiction. When we think they may make a decision that we want, we
try to give them additional jurisdiction. But when we disagree with the
courts, we have had legislation on this floor in recent months to take
from them jurisdiction. If we pursue that course as a country, I
suggest to you that we will become a Nation of men and of politicians,
not a Nation of laws.
The fact that we are a Nation of laws has distinguished us very
greatly from many other nations of the world, and we have held up that
distinction as a critically important one. We now have troops arrayed
in Iraq to support that principle, of the individual, of freedom, and
of law.
So I believe tonight, Mr. Speaker, that every Member will vote on
behalf of Terri Schiavo tonight, but they will see their responsibility
in that act differently. I believe, Mr. Speaker, they will see it
honestly and sincerely, and realizing the duty they have by lifting
their hand and swearing an oath to our constitution and to our country.
So, Mr. Speaker, I did, as I said what I suppose many have done, I
went to the proceedings that have occurred in the Terri Schiavo case,
caused by the absence of a written directive. I have three daughters,
Mr. Speaker. They are all adults. They do not live with me now, but I
see them regularly and I love them dearly. And since the loss of their
mother, we have become even more close. And I heard the gentlewoman
from Florida (Ms. Ginny Brown-Waite) speak, and as I heard her speak I
felt a tear when she referred to Mr. Wolfson, whom I do not know, but
whose report I have read.
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Mr. Wolfson was asked not by the mother and father, not by the
husband, but by the State to try to determine as best he could what the
medical evidence led him to conclude. He was not an advocate of the
parents or of the husband. He perceived himself correctly as the
advocate of Terri Schiavo. His report is a compelling one.
The gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Ginny Brown-Waite) said that she
knows Mr. Wolfson, and knows him to be a man of wisdom and deep
compassion and with a sense of responsibility. Then she spoke of her
own daughter and such a condition, and the discussion she had with her
daughter, and I hope many of you heard her say this, that her daughter
said to her that if she was in that state she would not want to be left
in that state by her mother, and she said, ``No, Mom, if you really
loved me, you would let me go to my rest and be with God.''
If I thought the Florida courts had dealt with this in a superficial
and uncareful way, perhaps, perhaps I would feel that we ought to
interpose our view. But no fair reading of the court's decision at the
lower court, no fair reading of the disposition by the District Court
of the United States, in which they said in quoting Judge Altobrand of
the Supreme Court of Florida, ``Not only has Mrs. Schiavo's case been
given due process, but few, if any similar cases, have ever been
afforded this heightened level of process.''
This report is approximately 50 pages long that was issued by Mr.
Wolfson. I urge my friend, the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Blunt) to
read this. He said he had not. All of us ought to read it. This case,
tragically, is not alone in the circumstances that have occurred. The
report says that the Schindler family members stated that even if
Theresa's family had been told of her intention, the family members,
mom and dad, had been told of her intention to have artificial
nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it.
All of us can understand that, hopefully. The wrenching decision that
it would be for a parent to take an action which would inevitably lead
to the loss of life of their daughter. Throughout this painful and
difficult trial, Mr. Wolfson went on, the family acknowledged that
Teresa was in a diagnosed persistent vegetative state.
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The report seems to indicate to me that any fair reading of it would
say that very careful consideration had been given. I know that there
are some doctors among us who have looked at reports and perhaps looked
at tapes and concluded, contrary to the doctors who have examined her,
that this was not the case.
The court, however, in an evidentiary hearing and after due
consideration said clear and convincing evidence at the time of trial
supported a determination that Mrs. Schiavo would have chosen in
February 2000 to withdraw the life-prolonging procedures, so that it
has been concluded by all of the fact finders in the court systems of
the United States, in the State of Florida, under the statutes, as the
chairman has pointed out, established by the State of Florida to deal
with this extraordinarily difficult human issue because, like birth,
death will come to us all.
To some of us it will come in a way that will not raise such
wrenching questions, but some few of us will individually and with our
families have to face this decision; and properly the system should be
followed to protect us so that neither a husband nor a mother nor a
father nor anybody else can make that decision in a manner that is not
fair, that does not have due process and does not protect us as
individuals.
In reading the record, Mr. Speaker, I have concluded that the State
of Florida in its wisdom provided for that process and accomplished
that end. Because of that and because I care about our Federal system
and because I care about our Constitution and, yes, because I care not
knowing her individually but because I care for her as a child of God,
I believe that this legislation should not pass.
Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of my time to the
gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay), the majority leader.
Mr. DeLAY. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman from Maryland's
words, but I look at it a little differently. After reading all the
records and everything, what I do know is that there is a mother, a
father, a brother, and a sister that want Terri Schiavo to live, and
they want to take care of her.
I want to thank everybody that has worked on this bill, particularly
those in the Senate, the Democrats in the Senate, the Republicans in
the Senate. They passed this bill unanimously. I want to thank the
Democrats in this House that worked on this bill, the Republicans that
worked on this bill. Some have tried to make it a partisan issue.
Mr. Speaker, after 4 days of words, the best of them uttered in
prayer, now comes the time for action. I say again, the legal and
political issues may be complicated, but the moral ones are not. A
young woman in Florida is being dehydrated and starved to death. For 58
long hours, her mouth has been parched and her hunger pangs have been
throbbing. If we do not act, she will die of thirst. However helpless,
Mr. Speaker, she is alive. She is still one of us. And this cannot
stand.
Terri Schiavo has survived her Passion weekend, and she has not been
forsaken. No more words, Mr. Speaker. She is waiting. The Members are
here. The hour has come.
Mr. Speaker, call the vote.
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Speaker, our goal must be to honor the wishes of
Theresa Schiavo regarding this difficult end-of-life decision.
We are a nation of laws. That is what distinguishes our country from
so many others. In this case, the courts of the State of Florida have
thoroughly reviewed the facts of this case and weighed the evidence
about what Theresa Schiavo would want. They have concluded that Theresa
Schiavo, through her words and deeds before her accident, would not
want to be kept artificially alive in a persistent vegetative state.
The Congress should not now substitute its judgment for that of
Theresa Schiavo and the Florida courts. Who are we to impose our own
personal preferences in this case? We should not be playing doctor,
judge, and jury.
Mr. AKIN. Mr. Speaker, today Members of Congress have come from all
over the Country, WTA to uphold the most essential right that any of us
posses the right to life.
As we stand here today, a woman is dying. She dies not as the result
of an underlying disease or illness, but because a judge has decided
that her life is not one worth living. This despite evidence that she
makes attempts to respond to her parents, cries, follows movement with
her eyes. With such evidence and her parents crying out in her defense,
how can we not intervene?
As we stand here in Washington, Terri is being starved to death. We
refer to the ``removal of feeding tubes,'' but let's talk about what is
really happening. Not only has a tube delivering food and water been
removed, but her parents have been barred from even putting ice chips
on her tongue. Yesterday, advocates were arrested for attempting to
bring water to Terri. To bar parents and relatives from offering the
most basic of comforts to a dying loved one is not only an egregious
overreach of judicial powers it is cruel and morally wrong. I ask, is
this about removing a tube or about starving a disabled woman?
Some will argue that this is about Terri's right to die. Yet, Terri
has no living will, no Do Not Resuscitate order and her husband's claim
that she would not want to be kept alive only surfaced years after she
became disabled.
Last week this body passed legislation that would protect all
Americans in cases similar to this one, but Senate democrats stood in
the way of that valuable measure. Now for nearly sixty hours, Terri has
been denied sustenance while Republican leadership in both Houses have
negotiated the legislation before us today. Though I regret that
certain members of this body and the Senate, stood in the way of
passing the legislation. approved last week, I am pleased that we now
have an opportunity to vote on this measure.
This bill does not ensure Terri's survival, but it does give her and
her parents an opportunity similar to that which we make available to
murderers sentenced to death row. Under this legislation Terri's case
will be reassessed in a federal court and we expect that she will be
fed once again. It is my hope that the federal court will handle this
case better than the egregious dereliction of judicial duty exhibited
in the Florida Court.
Mr. Speaker, regardless of the motives of those who would remove
Terri's link to life, their judgment would violate the most cherished
right endowed to all persons: the right to life. We stand today not for
political purposes, but consistent with our constitutional duty to
sustain that right for every citizen.
Mr. THORNBERRY. Mr. Speaker, many families have had to make
incredibly difficult
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decisions regarding medical support for their loved ones. As technology
continues to advance, there will be even more heart-wrenching decisions
ahead, and any of us could be involved in one.
The proper role of the federal government in such decisions is not
self-evident to me. Certainly, we should not have Congress debate,
case-by-case, what action is or is not appropriate for a particular
patient.
Government at some level may have a role to ensure that the patient
is not the victim of a spouse or family members who find the patient's
medical disability inconvenient. My view is that when in doubt, society
should err on the side of life.
I am concerned that in this case most Members of Congress have not
had the opportunity for careful study and consideration of the issues
raised. It has come before us late, when time is short and the
consequences of various steps are unclear.
Here, I will vote for the bill before us. My understanding is that
the measure is narrowly drawn and will set no precedent. It essentially
provides for another look at the unusual facts of this case without
dictating a result.
It is very distressing that anyone would look at these matters from a
political viewpoint. Core beliefs about when life begins and ends are
far too important for any such calculations. In fact, I hope each
citizen will spend time thinking about how our country can best deal
with such cases and praying that we get it right.
Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. Mr. Speaker, I rise this evening in
support of S. 686. This legislation would allow either of Terri's
parents to bring suit in federal court for the violation of any right
under the constitution or laws of the United States relating to ``the
withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment
necessary to sustain Ms. Schiavo's life.
What we are doing is providing Terri Schiavo the same legal
protections that we afford a convicted criminal who has been sentenced
to death. A Florida judge has issued an order that will have the effect
of ending Ms. Schiavo's life, so the least we can do is allow a federal
court to review the matter. If we ensure murderers and rapists the
benefit of a federal review, we should do it for this helpless woman.
This is a terribly difficult issue for all those involved--not just
Ms. Schiavo's parents and siblings, but also her husband. I realize he
would prefer Congress stay out of the matter entirely. However, the
14th Amendment states that ``no state shall deprive any person of life
. . . without due process of law.'' In this case I believe it is
entirely appropriate that we err on the side of caution--all we're
doing is seeking a federal review of what has happened in the state
courts to ensure that all constitutional rights, all of the basic
protections that we afford a criminal, have been afforded to Terri
Schiavo as well.
As medical technology continues to improve, we are left with many
difficult questions--``right to die issues,'' therapeutic cloning and
stem cell research issues. These are questions I sometimes doubt we as
men and women are truly capable of answering. In these cases the only
thing we can do is follow the law, and the law provides for the
opportunity for federal review in cases where a person will be put to
death. Thus, I believe Terri Schiavo too deserves this opportunity.
This entire case hinges on what Terri Schiavo herself would have
wanted. I am aware of the cases in Florida state courts and the
findings they have reached, both in terms of what they believe Ms.
Schiavo would have chosen and the likelihood that new treatments could
improve her condition. But in this instance I believe we should be as
thorough as possible, which is why I support this legislation.
Ms. HART. Mr. Speaker, I submit this article for the Record. This
bill must be passed. This Congress is right to stand up for a woman who
is incapacitated to some extent yes, but does not require extraordinary
measures to live. We must allow a thorough review of her case. The love
of her family is so great we should honor it.
[From the Pittsburg Post-Gazette, Mar. 20, 2005]
Starving for the Truth
(By Dennis Roddy)
When Mary Jane Owen thinks of Terri Schiavo, she remembers
a day in 1986 and the hospital in Washington. Pneumonia was
filling Owen's lungs. Owen cannot walk and is half deaf. At
the time she was also blind. The doctor leaned into her good
ear and said, ``Don't ask for antibiotics. Pneumonia is a
friend of the elderly. It's a great way to die.''
Without enough breath to shriek, Owen, in her early 60s at
the time, had to speak clearly enough to let this doctor know
he was fired.
``Get out of my room,'' she told him. ``Get out of my
life.'' Pneumonia might be a great friend to those who want
to die. Owen, who took antibiotics, was later cured of her
blindness and currently works as a disabled rights advocate
in Washington, D.C., wasn't in the mood to chumbuddy with
death. Possibly, because she arrived in a wheelchair, doctors
assumed she'd prefer to leave on a gurney.
That's why she wonders about Terri Schiavo, whose husband
wants her out of not only his life, but her own, too.
Described alternately as in a ``persistent vegetative state''
and ``a locked-in'' condition, Schiavo, who has lived with
brain damage since 1990, either does or does not understand
what is going on around her. Her husband, Michael, says she
is an empty vessel who would not have wanted to remain
present in body only. Her parents and some former caregivers
say she reacts to their voices, seems to recognize them. On
Friday, a Senate committee, trying to forestall the
withdrawal of feeding, subpoenaed her, though unsuccessfully.
The action is not as silly as it sounds. At one point, after
she presumably became vegetative, Terri Schiavo was taken to
a shopping mall.
When it comes to the disabled, or at least those too
disabled to advocate for themselves, deliberation about their
fates resembles property law. Michael Schiavo, as Terri's
husband--who has started a new family with a fiancee--holds
the powers of guardianship over his wife. He has persuaded a
Florida judge to allow hospital workers to withhold
nourishment and allow Terri to die. Judge George Greer has
declined a request by the family to allow Terri to be fed and
given water orally. That is to say, Terri Schiavo's parents
think she can be fed by mouth and the judge in the case
declines to find out if this is so. On Friday, Judge Greer
reinstated an earlier order and Schiavo's feeding tube was
removed.
One former caregiver, Heidi Law, has said under oath that
``on three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small
mouthfuls of Jell-O, which she was able to swallow and
enjoyed immensely.''
It is one thing to withdraw a feeding tube; another
entirely to withhold that day's meal tray.
That is why debating Terri Schiavo as a right-to-die
argument misses the point.
``Would it seem inappropriate at some point to emphasize
that people with disabilities feel threatened by the idea
that a `flawed' life can be judicially eliminated?'' Owen
asked. It only seems inappropriate because the arguments
being made about the ``right'' of the brain dead to die are
being framed around a woman whose brain death is far from
proven.
The facts are these: Terri Schiavo collapsed in 1990. She
has been in hospitals and nursing homes since then.
Videotapes depict a young woman who seems to respond to some
voice stimuli, but does not communicate. At least three
affidavits are on file from former nursing home attendants
who insist Terri showed some hope of making progress, but
that her husband insisted she be given no rehabilitation.
One nurse, Carla Sauer Iyer, said Terri ``spoke on a
regular basis, saying such things as `Mommy' and `help me.'
`` Iyer said that when she put a washcloth in Terri's hands
to keep her fingers from curling together, ``Michael saw it
and made me take it out, saying that was therapy.''
Michael Schiavo's reticence could well have been an
unwillingness to open himself to the cruelties of false hope.
Terri's family is convinced he wants rid of her so he can
marry his live-in girlfriend and use up the $50,000 or so
that remains of a $1 million medical malpractice settlement.
The underlying argument for protecting Terri Schiavo is
predicated on the idea that life, at its core, is sacrosanct,
something with which we interfere at peril to our own places
in the universal order. The problem with Terri's most
prominent defenders is that they seem to find it easiest to
defend someone who cannot interfere with the debate by
expressing her own views. Televangelist D. James Kennedy
wants a law passed. Christian Defense Coalition head Patrick
Mahoney warns of a ``rescue'' attempt at the nursing home.
Militia extremist Bo Gritz said he is going to Florida to
perform a citizens arrest of Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer.
None of them has pledged money to a trust fund to care for
Terri Schiavo and, more saliently, the many more just like
her. They are in this because of their politics, which
appears to be indistinguishable from their theology, which
appears to be self-promotional.
Owen worries that the sanctity of life issue misses the
point that Terri Schiavo is not vegetative and not a fetus.
She falls nowhere into the realm of what medical ethicist
James J. Hughes described as ``socially dead.''
``Most of the people in the disability community certainly
are not `pro-life' in the classical meaning of that, but we
sure as hell are against killing people with disabilities,''
Owen said. ``Terri was certainly, I think, rehabilitatable in
the early months and years of her travail. How far she can
come back now is a question. But I think she should certainly
be given a couple months trial before Michael's allowed to
kill her.''
After 15 years of despair, a few months of hope might tell
us something about ourselves.
Mr. NEUGEBAUER. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in strong support of S.
686.
As many before me and many still to come have indicated, this is not
an easy situation. If it were, we would not be here at this late hour,
on this day. What makes this situation difficult is that there are so
many unresolved questions.
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What are Terri's wishes? Terri Schiavo never prepared a living will
to express definitively what her wishes would be. So we are left with
conflicting accounts of what course of action Terri would want her
doctors to take.
What has the family decided? Opponents of this legislation say this
should be a family issue. I agree. However, we have a family that
disagrees on the fate of Terri's life. While her husband wants to end
her life, we have a set of parents who are willing to do everything it
takes medically, emotionally, and financially to save the life of their
child.
We have some doctors saying that Terri will not recover. Yet we also
have other neurologists saying that with the proper medical care, there
is a chance that she could improve considerably. And let us be clear:
Terri is not on life support she is not brain-dead, and no heroic
measures are needed to keep her alive, she simply needs the assistance
of a feeding tube for food and water.
If we knew beyond a shadow of a doubt the answers to these questions,
we would likely not need to be here tonight. However, because these
questions remain disputed, the responsible course of action is to err
on the side of life.
Some may ask why Congress is getting involved. The answer to that is
simple. One of the primary duties of the Federal Government and Members
of Congress is to uphold and defend the Constitution and the individual
rights it sets forth. So we are acting to allow that every possible
legal process has been exhausted to ensure that Terri's federal rights
have been properly defended.
One of those federal rights is the right to life. The Fourteenth
Amendment establishes that no ``State shall deprive any person of life,
liberty, and property, without due process of law.'' Everyday, in cases
where the action of the state will result in the death of an
individual, that individual is provided the opportunity to have their
case heard in both the state and federal court systems. That is all we
are asking to be done today.
My thoughts and prayers, as well of those of my constituents in 19th
district of Texas, are with Terri and her family during these difficult
times.
Mr. BACA. Mr. Speaker, on this Sunday, I have looked into my heart
and listened to my God in prayer, and spoken to my pastor and other
parishioners in church. My decision this evening is an intensely
personal one, in terms of life. As a father, husband, grandfather, and
son in law, I have searched my soul about what the family must be going
through.
As a Member of Congress, I know it is in our hands to offer what is
the ultimate hope for this young woman. We cannot guarantee how the
courts will rule, but we must offer all avenues for review and hope. We
would ask nothing less for any case involving the rights of a person.
We must be compassionate about life, the life of all individuals.
This is a tragic situation, but this young woman is not on life
support, she is not on a respirator, she is not terminally ill, and she
has been deprived of the physical therapy that might allow her to
swallow and eat without a feeding tube. To look at her eyes is to see
an individual who seems to be experiencing joy and awareness of others.
As a parent, if she were my daughter, I would want her to live, and
give her a chance. She has demonstrated the will and the spirit to
live. It is right and just that we have a final set of eyes to review
the case. The Constitution gives Congress the right to set the
jurisdiction of the courts.
Mr. BOUSTANY. Mr. Speaker, tonight Congress is meeting in a special
session to ensure that the most valuable right the Constitution grants
us, the right to life, is not violated. Unfortunately, I am unable to
appear in person tonight because my flight was delayed by bad weather,
but please be assured that I consider the bill before the House, S.
686, to be of the utmost importance.
This debate is about life and the protection of life that the
Constitution grants each of us. We are gathered, not as Republicans or
Democrats, but as men and women trying to save a woman's life. We must
ensure that Terri Schiavo, disabled by illness, is not unfairly
deprived of her life. When the courts refuse to hear such a case,
Congress must act to protect life.
As a physician, I have been faced with many families in situations
similar to that of Terri Schiavo's family. It is a delicate situation,
one that pushes the boundaries of ethics, and we must therefore proceed
with caution. But fortunately, advances in medical technology have made
recovery possible when before it was not possible. I have seen people
recover from illnesses to lead fulfilling lives when most thought all
hope was lost.
But Terri Schiavo's parents have not lost hope. They believe that
their daughter can and will recover. Terri is not brain-dead, nor is
she in the process of dying. She has survived for 15 years with very
little treatment. Her parents only ask that they be allowed to care for
her. How can we deny her parents that possibility?
We are in this situation today because the law is not clear. The
federal court has discretion to refuse to hear certain cases, but when
it does so at the cost of a disabled woman's life, one who is unable to
protect herself, we as Americans must take action. Tonight, I urge
Congress to pass S. 686 and ensure a federal court reviews Terri
Schiavo's case.
In the coming months, Congress will have to consider these issues
again, in a broader context. As medical technology advances, ethical
and moral boundaries are inevitably pushed into new territory. I look
forward to working with my colleagues to ensure that as we move
forward, the sanctity of life is always protected.
Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the U.S.
Constitution, the principle of states' rights, and democracy. This
private relief measure, as I asserted last Wednesday, March 16, 2005,
while is a flat rejection of a state's right to adjudicate these
private matters, is a better vehicle than H.R. 1332 to allow interested
parties to have full opportunity to address the dilemma that surrounds
the case of Ms. Schiavo while at the same time preserving the right of
Congress to fully debate the very important issues that lie beneath the
special facts of this case.
Last Wednesday on the House Floor I expressed my reservations about
H.R. 1332, the Protection of Incapacitated Persons Act of 2005. I
indicated that the scope of H.R. 1332 requires, at the very least,
hearings before the committees of jurisdiction. This legislation was
introduced a few hours prior to its passage--that is incomprehensible
for a public measure.
H.R. 1332 contains operative provisions that would amend the existing
law of removal to allow parties to remove to federal court cases that
involve the withdrawal of nutrition or hydration from an incapacitated
person where the person did not leave a written advance directive as to
treatment. That bill, as I suggested on the floor, is the wrong bill to
fit the current situation because it does not sweep widely as a public
bill should. Rather, it creates legal precedent while bringing relief
to a private matter. A recent report by the Congressional Research
Service states that ``[a] question does arise, however, whether this
bill would have application to situations where an individual is not in
a government facility and is not challenging a state law.''
Before legislation of this weight is passed so hastily, all areas of
ambiguity or speculation require fixes by way of the committee markup
process. First, the provision found in Section 2, page 3, lines 2-3 and
5-7 that limits the consideration of the federal court to federal
questions, or whether authorizing the withdrawal of food or fluids or
medical treatment to an incapacitated person constitutes ``a
deprivation of any right, privilege, or immunity secured by the U.S.
Constitution'' should be vetted by members of the House Judiciary
Committee for consideration of the implications of limiting federal
purview in this fashion.
Second, in Section 2, page 3, line 15, the drafters' reference to a
``born individual'' is ambiguous and merits committee scrutiny. While
an ``unborn'' individual certainly cannot conceivably execute a
``written advance directive,'' as found on page 2, line 22, this
reference is limiting and again, merits serious scrutiny in order to
prevent floods of litigation over the interpretation of this term.
Thirdly, ``significant relationship'' as found on page 3, line 20 can
mean virtually anything and simply invites voluminous litigation over
semantics that can be clarified in legislative history by way of the
proper legislative process--and hearings before committees of
jurisdiction.
If the House Majority Leadership had worked with the other body last
Thursday to find an agreement as to the private measure that passed,
neither Ms. Schiavo nor the parties interested in her case would have
endured the stress that surrounded the removal of feeding tubes that
occurred on Friday.
My colleague, the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee,
responded to my words on the House Floor last Wednesday that ``[i]f the
Private Relief Bill were introduced or came over from the [other body],
Terri Schiavo would be dead before we could consider it.'' To the
contrary, neither Ms. Schiavo is dead nor is the ability of the House
to consider the private measure dead. The measure passed in the other
body, S. 653, a private bill, is more appropriate, and the bill that we
now consider is nearly identical to it. The only difference between the
two bills is that the final House version contains a ``sense of
Congress'' provision as to the need to ``consider policies regarding
the status and legal rights of incapacitated individuals who are
incapable of making decisions concerning the provision, withholding, or
withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical care.'' The ``sense of
Congress'' provision rather than an entire stand-alone bill, as
suggested by the distinguished Chairman, is a more prudent way of
stressing the need to consider these issues.
While I believe that the Private Bill is a better vehicle than the
public bill in controversial
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matters, I believe that this bill threatens the sanctity of democracy
and the concept of the separation of powers. Eighteen state judges have
already adjudicated this matter, so passage of this bill would amount
to an appeal granted by the legislative branch of government--in clear
contravention of the U.S. Constitution. The will of 536 elected
officials should not affect the final disposition of a personal family
matter. What is most important in this situation is the wish of Terri
Schiavo, and Congress cannot properly dispense of this question without
being politically motivated. As is the case with many measures that the
Republican Congress has slid past this body that purport to expand
rights, this measure will contract the States' rights to be the final
arbiter in private matters.
For the reasons stated above, Mr. Speaker, I reject this legislation.
The SPEAKER. The question is on the motion offered by the gentleman
from Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner) that the House suspend the rules and
pass the Senate bill, S. 686.
The question was taken.
The SPEAKER. In the opinion of the Chair, two-thirds of those present
have voted in the affirmative.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas
and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 203,
nays 58, not voting 174, as follows:
[Roll No. 90]
YEAS--203
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Baca
Bachus
Baird
Baker
Barrett (SC)
Barrow
Bartlett (MD)
Bass
Bean
Beauprez
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehner
Bonner
Boren
Brady (PA)
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Buyer
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Cole (OK)
Conaway
Costello
Cox
Cramer
Crenshaw
Cuellar
Culberson
Cummings
Davis (KY)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Drake
Dreier
Duncan
Edwards
Ehlers
Emerson
Engel
English (PA)
Etheridge
Fattah
Feeney
Ferguson
Fitzpatrick (PA)
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Fortenberry
Fossella
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Garrett (NJ)
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gohmert
Goode
Goodlatte
Graves
Green (WI)
Green, Al
Hall
Harris
Hart
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herseth
Higgins
Hobson
Holden
Hulshof
Inglis (SC)
Istook
Jackson (IL)
Jenkins
Jindal
Johnson (IL)
Jones (NC)
Kanjorski
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kildee
King (IA)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline
Kuhl (NY)
LaHood
Langevin
Latham
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lucas
Lynch
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marshall
Matheson
McCaul (TX)
McCotter
McHenry
McHugh
McIntyre
McNulty
Meek (FL)
Melancon
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Mollohan
Murphy
Musgrave
Myrick
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Nussle
Oberstar
Otter
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (PA)
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Poe
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (GA)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Rogers (AL)
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Saxton
Schwarz (MI)
Scott (GA)
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Sherwood
Simpson
Skelton
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Snyder
Sodrel
Souder
Stupak
Sullivan
Tancredo
Tanner
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Turner
Upton
Walsh
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wynn
NAYS--58
Baldwin
Berkley
Bishop (NY)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Butterfield
Capuano
Cardin
Carnahan
Carson
Castle
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Conyers
Davis (FL)
Dent
Dicks
Doyle
Evans
Frank (MA)
Gutierrez
Hastings (FL)
Holt
Hoyer
Israel
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Larson (CT)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Matsui
McDermott
McKinney
Miller (NC)
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Olver
Pallone
Pascrell
Payne
Price (NC)
Reichert
Rothman
Schiff
Schwartz (PA)
Scott (VA)
Shays
Spratt
Strickland
Thompson (MS)
Van Hollen
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Watt
Weiner
Wexler
Wu
NOT VOTING--174
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Barton (TX)
Becerra
Berman
Bishop (UT)
Blumenauer
Boehlert
Bonilla
Bono
Boozman
Boswell
Boucher
Boustany
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (TX)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Capps
Cardoza
Case
Coble
Cooper
Costa
Crowley
Cubin
Cunningham
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dingell
Doggett
Emanuel
Eshoo
Everett
Farr
Filner
Flake
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gonzalez
Gordon
Granger
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutknecht
Harman
Herger
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hoekstra
Honda
Hooley
Hostettler
Hunter
Hyde
Inslee
Issa
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, E. B.
Johnson, Sam
Jones (OH)
Keller
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kind
King (NY)
Knollenberg
Kolbe
Kucinich
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
LaTourette
Lee
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lungren, Daniel E.
Maloney
Markey
McCarthy
McCollum (MN)
McCrery
McGovern
McKeon
McMorris
Meehan
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Mica
Millender-McDonald
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (KS)
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Norwood
Nunes
Obey
Ortiz
Osborne
Owens
Oxley
Pastor
Paul
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Petri
Pombo
Radanovich
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Reynolds
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Roybal-Allard
Royce
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Salazar
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Sherman
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Solis
Stark
Stearns
Sweeney
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thomas
Thompson (CA)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Velazquez
Walden (OR)
Waters
Watson
Waxman
Weller
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wolf
Woolsey
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
{time} 0045
So (two thirds voting in favor thereof) the rules were suspended and
the Senate bill was passed.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
Stated for:
Mr. BRADY of Texas. Mr. Speaker, on rollcall No. 90, my flight from
Texas brought me to the Capitol one minute after the vote was closed. I
intended to vote ``yes.''
Stated against:
Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, on rollcall No. 90, on S. 686, I did not
attend in protest of the politicization of a profound medical and
family tragedy. Had I been present, I would have voted ``nay.''
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