[Congressional Record Volume 151, Number 21 (Tuesday, March 1, 2005)]
[Senate]
[Pages S1818-S1820]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




                           BANKRUPTCY REFORM

  Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, when Senator Specter comes to the floor, 
soon he will lay down this bill, S. 256. It is about 500 pages. It is a 
recurring theme on the floor of the Senate. In the 9 years I have 
served in the Senate, I think a bankruptcy bill has been on the floor 
almost every year. I know this because when I first came to the Senate, 
to the Senate Judiciary Committee, I was the ranking Democrat on the 
subcommittee that wrote the bill. Senator Chuck Grassley and I came 
together and crafted what I thought to be a very fair and balanced 
bill. We were approached by people who said there are a lot of abuses 
in bankruptcy. There are people filing for bankruptcy who can really 
pay their debts. So let's try to tighten the process. Those who were 
irresponsible in their conduct, those who incurred debt and turned to 
the bankruptcy court and tried to be absolved from their financial 
responsibilities should be held accountable.
  Senator Grassley and I agreed on that. We crafted a bill that was 
very balanced. The bill passed the Senate 97 to 1. Sadly, it did not go 
forward. The House had a different idea. After the House got its hands 
on it, it did not look anything like the bill we originally introduced. 
The bill kept disappearing, reappearing, disappearing, and reappearing, 
and here it is again, S. 256. Unfortunately, this version of S. 256 is 
a far cry from the original balanced approach. This bill is not 
balanced.
  Who wants this bill? That is the most important question to ask about 
any legislation that comes to the floor. The people who want this bill 
are the credit card companies and major financial institutions.
  Why do they want it? Here is the circumstance. Imagine, if you will, 
that you and your family are so deeply in debt that there is no way 
out. It could be because of medical bills you did not anticipate. It 
might be because somebody lost a job and could not find one. It could 
be because of a divorce or some other extraordinary situation. Maybe it 
is a personally owned family business that just fails.

  Then you say: What am I going to do? I never dreamed I would reach 
this point. The law says there is a way out. It is bankruptcy. The law 
puts you through some pretty tough requirements if you want to file for 
bankruptcy. You have to go into court and really bear your soul, tell 
that judge and all of your creditors what you own, and they come in and 
say: Here is what you owe. Now how much can we collect from what you 
own?
  It is a tough process. For many people it is a sad and embarrassing 
process. What we find is that many people have no choice; they have 
reached a point where they cannot pay the debt. There is no way they 
will be able to pay it off. They are being hammered by bill collectors 
calling their homes at all hours of the night and day, harassing their 
children, harassing them, trying to get some money paid on their debt, 
and they finally say: I cannot take it anymore. I am going to file for 
bankruptcy. It happens. It happens in families that never dreamed it 
would happen to them because of circumstances beyond their control.
  What is this bankruptcy reform bill all about? The purpose of this 
bill is to make certain for many people that if you go into court to 
file for bankruptcy, the slate will not be wiped clean. You will not 
walk out of that bankruptcy court at the end of the day with no debt. 
You will end up in a circumstance where you will carry many of these 
debts to the grave. What kind of debts are we talking about? Credit 
card debt, other debts you have incurred that will stay with you for a 
lifetime. No matter what you do under the law, you cannot escape them.
  Naturally, the credit card industry and big banks want this bill. 
They believe if they can hang on forever and will not be discharged in 
bankruptcy, they will get something back in the process. They believe 
this bill will discourage people from filing bankruptcy, and people 
will just labor under this debt they never paid off longer and longer. 
That is why we are considering this bill. This bill is all about 
creditors ending up with more money at the end of a bankruptcy.
  It is interesting. We had one hearing on this 500-page bill. It has 
been 4 years since we had a hearing. We had one hearing. The hearing 
lasted 2 hours and 15 minutes on a 500-page bill. One would think the 
lead witness at that hearing would be someone from the credit card 
industry. They want it. They are pushing this bill. Or some banking 
institution. But when you looked at this array of people at the table 
before the Senate Judiciary Committee, they were nowhere to be found. 
They would not come in and sign a witness slip and testify in favor of 
the bill they created. I am going to explain why they did not. But if 
you looked in the back of the hearing room beyond the glare of the 
lights and the cameras, there they sat, row after row of lobbyists for 
the credit card companies and banks. They may have created this little 
child, sent it to the floor of the Senate, but they did not want to be 
associated with it when it came to answering questions. Boy, that tells 
me a lot. If this is such an innocent bill and such a good bill, why is 
it that the major credit card companies would not come and testify and 
explain why they wanted this bill? I think it speaks volumes.
  They know what is going on. This is a bill which is going to hurt a 
lot of ordinary people, folks who, through no fault of their own, end 
up head over heels in debt and are desperate to start over. Credit card 
companies and banks want to make it tougher for them, and they will 
during the course of offering this bill.
  This bill will radically alter America's bankruptcy laws, not for the 
better. If it becomes law, millions of hard-working Americans who have 
been devastated financially, through no fault of their own, are going 
to end up in a new sort of debtor's prison from which they may never 
escape.
  We are not talking about people who go to the casino and get wild 
about their gambling and run their credit card or ATM card to the 
limit. We are not talking about people who go on a shopping spree for 
luxury cars. We are talking about ordinary people facing the ordinary 
demands of life who are swept away by debt they never anticipated. 
Sadly, this bill makes no distinction between the irresponsible who are 
in debt and those who have done everything humanly possible and end up 
in debt.

  We had one hearing on this bill on February 10, 2 hours and 15 
minutes. As I looked around that room, I thought

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to myself: There is a reason why the credit card companies will not 
come forward and speak about this. The reasons are fairly obvious. The 
bill is not a fair bill.
  I would have asked the credit card industry demanding this bill, how 
are you doing, how is your industry doing, making a profit? If they 
would have answered me honestly, here is what they would have said: In 
the year 2003, credit card companies in America enjoyed a $30 billion 
profit, their highest profit in 15 years. It makes one wonder, does it 
not, why we are rushing to pass a bill so that people who end up head 
over heels in credit card debt cannot get out from under it, even in 
the bankruptcy court. These companies are not hurting. Why are we in 
such a hurry to give them a pass with this new expanded power to 
squeeze a few last dollars out of families who have been devastated 
financially?
  You know something else, the majority of people who go to bankruptcy 
court go there because of medical bills. That is right, medical bills. 
I will talk about that in a moment.
  Supporters of this bill say you are either with them or with the bad 
guys, the chiselers, the cheaters, the grafters, the drifters, the 
people they say are trying to game the system of bankruptcy by running 
up huge credit card debts with no intention of ever repaying.
  The truth is, real life is not that black and white. There are people 
who abuse the bankruptcy laws. I will tell you about a couple of them 
in a minute. They try to skip out of debts they can afford to pay and, 
from my point of view, the law ought to hold them responsible, no ifs, 
ands, or butts.
  I support a balanced bankruptcy bill, such as the one Senator 
Grassley and I put together several years ago. This bill is not 
balanced. In this bill, in 500 pages, there is not one line, not one 
word curbing the abuse and deceptive practices of credit card companies 
and other lenders.
  The supporters of this bill condemn people who file for bankruptcy 
and say they are morally deficient; they do not understand the moral 
responsibility of paying their debts. What about the moral 
responsibility of the credit card companies? They flood our mailboxes 
in America every year with 5 billion preapproved credit card offers, an 
average of $350,000 in preapproved credit for every family in America. 
You know it. Go home tonight and look in your mailbox. More likely than 
not, there will be another solicitation for another credit card.
  What about the credit card companies that continue to make high-
interest loans to families even when they are obviously teetering on 
the edge of financial collapse? A couple weeks ago, a member of my 
staff told me he had taken his family on a flight and signed his son up 
for frequent flier miles, a pretty smart thing to do. Within a few 
weeks, his son received a solicitation for a credit card. I told him he 
ought to be honored. It meant that Tyler, at the age of 3\1/2\ years, 
was obviously on the flight path for success. The credit card industry 
could not wait to give him a credit card at age 3\1/2\. And we joked 
about it, until the weekend when I told the same story back in Illinois 
and a fellow said: I have him beat. My 9-month-old daughter was 
solicited for a credit card.
  Is that responsible? Is that responsible by the credit card industry? 
Is that moral, now that we are talking about moral values? Certainly no 
9-month-old or 3\1/2\-year-old is going to end up with a credit card. 
What about 16-year-olds, 17-year-olds, 18-year-olds, college students? 
That is another issue altogether. Many of them, unprepared to deal with 
debt, are trying to deal with credit cards.

  Supporters of this bill rail against irresponsible consumers. What 
about irresponsible lenders? In the entire bill, there is nothing that 
tells the credit card companies, if you are really worried about your 
losses, exercise better judgment about to whom you lend money.
  If I went home tonight to Illinois and told someone Congress is 
working on a bankruptcy reform bill, they would say: Thank goodness; it 
is long overdue. It is time we went after those Enron cheaters. It is 
natural they would say that. In the last few years, America has seen 
this parade of corporate bankruptcy--Enron, WorldCom, Adelphia, United 
Airlines, USAir, TWA, LTV Steel, Kmart, Polaroid, Global Crossing, KB 
Toys--the list goes on and on. Many of the companies that have gone 
into bankruptcy are associated with scandal. In some cases, the CEOs, 
many of whom are on trial, and their top officers were paid 
multimillion-dollar bonuses even as the companies were being run into 
the ground. Then the companies filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy 
protection and asked a judge to throw out worker contracts and cancel 
pension plans and health benefits, leaving thousands of families 
devastated.
  Wouldn't one think in a bankruptcy bill we would go after some of 
these corporate bankrupt cheaters? Wouldn't one think we would go after 
these CEOs and officers who got hundreds of millions of dollars from 
these corporations they never paid back? Wouldn't one think we would 
hold them accountable because their irresponsible conduct meant the 
corporation would go bankrupt, could not pay its stockholders, could 
not pay its employees, could not pay its retirees? Wouldn't that be 
fair, and wouldn't it be timely? It would. You will not find one word 
about it in this bill. That is corporations. We are talking about 
individuals and families. We are going to make it tough on them. There 
is not a word here about the corporate crooks who are milking these 
corporations at the expense of employees and retirees.
  Want to talk about moral values for a couple minutes? I think exhibit 
A is some of these corporations, what their officers have done to poor 
unsuspecting people who worked a lifetime for that corporation, 25, 30, 
35 years, showed up to work every day, punching a clock even when they 
felt sick, thinking: I am doing the right thing for my family. I am 
saving money for my future, and thank goodness this corporate pension 
is going to be there for me. Then they retire, and what happens? After 
these corporate bums milk the corporations dry, they end up canceling 
the health care and pension of their employees.
  Boy, sounds like the subject of a bill which Congress might one day 
consider, but, no, it will not be today. We do not talk about those 
people. We are talking about the woman who went in diagnosed with 
breast cancer, who did not have health insurance and ended up with tens 
of thousands of dollars of medical bills and found out she could not 
pay them and in desperation filed for bankruptcy. We are going after 
her. She is the one who is the target of this legislation, not the 
corporate officers. We are not going after the insiders. We are going 
after the ordinary people.
  I will give a couple examples of how people game the bankruptcy 
system, examples that, frankly, when this bill is finished will not 
even be addressed. Bowie Kuhn, former baseball commissioner, abused the 
bankruptcy laws. He took advantage of a Florida law which says one's 
home is exempt from bankruptcy. In other words, if one files bankruptcy 
they can keep their home.
  What did Mr. Kuhn do? He went to Florida and bought a multimillion 
dollar home with every penny he owned and then filed bankruptcy. So 
everything he ever had in life was protected. He knew where to go and 
what to do and he could qualify for this loan.
  Burt Reynolds, the actor I used to laugh at in the movies--here is a 
good laugh: He did the same thing. He bought himself a ranch to protect 
his assets and then he filed for bankruptcy.
  Does this bill go after those millionaires who use the bankruptcy 
laws the way I described? Nope. Unfortunately, it does not. We are more 
interested in that woman diagnosed with breast cancer, with medical 
bills she cannot pay.
  The credit card companies are right on one point; we have seen an 
alarming increase in consumer debt and consumer bankruptcy since they 
first started pushing for this bill years ago. But we are not talking 
about economic conditions that have created the household debt crisis 
in America, the millions of jobs that have been downsized and 
outsourced and sent overseas, restructured out of existence, the fact 
that real wages are declining for workers across America. People are 
working harder and falling further behind.
  I see my colleague from the Judiciary Committee. If he is here on 
behalf of Senator Specter to lay down the bill, I yield the floor 
pursuant to my earlier unanimous consent request to

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allow Senator Sessions to lay down the bill and make a statement if he 
wishes, and then I will reclaim my morning business time, if there is 
no objection.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Sununu). Without objection, it is so 
ordered.

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