[Congressional Record Volume 150, Number 88 (Wednesday, June 23, 2004)]
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House of Representatives
INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2005--Continued
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to House Resolution 686, the gentleman from
Ohio (Mr. Kucinich) and a Member opposed each will control 5 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Kucinich).
Mr. KUCINICH. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Mr. Chairman, President Bush told the Nation, ``You can't distinguish
between al Qaeda and Saddam.'' That assertion was one of the key
justifications for the war in Iraq.
At the appropriate point in the debate, I shall enter into the Record
16 similar assertions by leading members of the administration and
several other relevant documents.
Those assertions have, like the White House's other claim that Saddam
Hussein had vast stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, not found
substantiation in fact. I quote 27 top-level U.S. diplomats and
military commanders who have said, ``The administration . . . justified
the invasion of Iraq . . . by a cynical campaign to persuade the public
that Saddam Hussein was linked to al Qaeda . . . The evidence did not
support this argument.''
One week ago, the 9-11 Commission published staff statement number 15
entitled ``Overview of the Enemy,'' which found no credible evidence of
a collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. The
staff statement was the product of professional people, all of whom
were jointly appointed by both the Republican chairman and the
Democratic vice chair of the Commission. Included among these staff
people are former analysts with the intelligence agencies,
investigators and academics.
Instead of accepting the finding of this Commission, which Congress
and the President established in order to find the definitive answer to
this and other questions, the Vice President went on national
television to question the credibility of the Commission. He repeated
the assertion that the administration has made so many times, and he
said he ``probably'' has more information than the Commission about
ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.
Does the administration have more information than the Commission, or
does it not? Is the White House informing the public of substantiated
facts, or is the White House engaged in what could be called a cynical
campaign to disinform the American public?
As the St. Petersburg Times editorial of yesterday stated, ``We don't
know what information the Vice President is referring to, but we do
know this: Every important public charge that the White House and its
supporters did make against Iraq in the months leading up to war, such
as the purchase of nuclear weapons materials from Africa, meetings
between al Qaeda and Iraqi operatives in Prague, and mobile biological
weapons labs in the Iraqi desert, have been discredited . . . The
bipartisan Commission's credibility isn't in question. The
administration's is. That is the most important reason for the Vice
President to come forward and produce the evidence he alluded to.''
That is the question the Kucinich-Tauscher amendment seeks to answer.
Submission by Dennis J. Kucinich in Support of the Kucinich/Tauscher
Amendment to H.R. 4548, June 23, 2004
The Kucinich/Tauscher amendment has been endorsed by:
Admiral Stansfield Turner, former DCI 1977-1981;
Greg Thielmann, former State Department Intelligence
official;
Coleen Rowley, in her personal capacity, former FBI
official;
Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst;
Gene Betit, former Army Intelligence official;
Ray Close, former CIA chief of station, Saudi Arabia;
David MacMichael, former National Intelligence Council
analyst;
Mel Goodman, professor at National War College;
Col. Patrick Lang, retired U.S. Army Special Forces;
Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, at DIA;
Larry Johnson, former CIA and State Department intelligence
analyst;
Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPs),
Steering Committee;
Center for American Progress.
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These are just 16 of the many assertions by members of the
Administration about the existence of a collaborative,
operational relationship between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.
``You can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam.''
President George Bush, White House website (9/26/2002).
``He's a threat because he is dealing with al Qaida.''
President George Bush, President Outlines Priorities, White
House (11/7/2002).
``Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including
members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he
could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or
help develop their own. . . . Imagine those 19 hijackers with
other weapons and other planes--this time armed by Saddam
Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate
slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none
we have ever known.'' President George Bush, President
Delivers ``State of the Union'', White House (1/28/2003).
``Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing
ties to terrorist networks. . . . Iraq has also provided al
Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training,''
President George Bush, President's Radio Address, White House
(2/8/2003).
``We've removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source
of terrorist funding,'' President George Bush, President Bush
Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White
House (5/1/2003).
``[Iraq] had the capacity to make a weapon and then let
that weapon fall into the hands of a shadowy terrorist
network.'' President George Bush, Meet the Press (2/8/2004).
``His regime has had high-level contacts with al Qaeda
going back a decade and has provided training to al Qaeda
terrorists.'' Vice President Richard Cheney, Remarks by the
Vice President at the Air National Guard Senior Leadership
Conference, White House (12/2/2002).
``He could decide secretly to provide weapons of mass
destruction to terrorists for use
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against us.'' Vice President Richard Cheney, Vice President's
Remarks at 30th Political Action Conference, White House (1/
30/2003).
``We know that he has a long-standing relationship with
various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda
organization.'' Vice President Richard Cheney, Meet the
Press, NBC (3/16/2003).
``. . . in Iraq we've had a government--not only was it one
of the worst dictatorships in modern times, but had
oftentimes hosted terrorists in the past . . . but also an
established relationship with the al Qaeda organization . .
.'' Vice President Richard Cheney, Vice president Dick Cheney
Remarks at Luncheon for Congressman Jim Gerlach, White House
(10/3/2003).
``We'll find ample evidence confirming the link . . .
between al Qaida and the Iraqi intelligence services. They
have worked together on a number of occasions.'' vice
President Richard Cheney, Transcript of interview with Vice
President Dick Cheney, Rocky Mountain News (1/9/2004).
``I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a
connection between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi government.'' Vice
President Richard Cheney, Morning Edition, NPR (1/22/2004).
``It is the nexus between an Al-Qaeda type network and
other terrorist network and a terrorist state like Saddam
Hussein who has that weapons of mass destruction. As we sit
here, there are senior Al-Qaeda in Iraq. They are there.''
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary Rumsfeld
Interview with Jim Lehrer, PBS (9/18/2002).
``We have what we consider to be very reliable reporting of
senior-level contacts going back a decade, and of possible
chemical- and biological-agent training. And when I say
contacts, I mean between Iraq and al Qaeda.'' Secretary of
Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Defense Department Regular Briefing,
Defense Department (9/26/2002).
``They have occurred over a span of some eight or ten years
to our knowledge. There are currently al-Qaeda in Iraq.''
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary Rumsfeld Live
Interview with Infinity CBS Radio, Infinity-CBS Radio (11/14/
2002).
``The regime plays host to terrorists, including Al Qaida,
as the president indicated.'' Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld; Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Myers Hold Regular
Defense Department Briefing, Defense Department (1/29/2003).
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Diplomats & Military Commanders for Change
the official statement
The undersigned have held positions of responsibility for
the planning and execution of American foreign and defense
policy. Collectively, we have served every president since
Harry S Truman. Some of us are Democrats, some are
Republicans or Independents, many voted for George W. Bush.
But we all believe that current Administration policies have
failed in the primary responsibilities of preserving national
security and providing world leadership. Serious issues are
at stake. We need a change.
From the outset, President George W. Bush adopted an
overbearing approach to America's role in the world, relying
upon military might and righteousness, insensitive to the
concerns of traditional friends and allies, and disdainful of
the United Nations. Instead of building upon America's great
economic and moral strength to lead other nations in a
coordinated campaign to address the causes of terrorism and
to stifle its resources, the Administration, motivated more
by ideology than by reasoned analysis, struck out on its own.
It led the United States into an ill-planned and costly war
from which exit is uncertain. It justified the invasion of
Iraq by manipulation of uncertain intelligence about weapons
of mass destruction, and by a cynical campaign to persuade
the public that Saddam Hussein was linked to Al Qaeda and the
attacks of September 11. The evidence did not support this
argument.
Our security has been weakened. While American airmen and
women, marines, soldiers and sailors have performed
gallantly, our armed forces were not prepared for military
occupation and nation building. Public opinion polls
throughout the world report hostility toward us. Muslim youth
are turning to anti-American terrorism. Never in the two and
a quarter centuries of our history has the United States been
so isolated among the nations, so broadly feared and
distrusted. No loyal American would question our ultimate
right to act alone in our national interest; but responsible
leadership would not turn to unilateral military action
before diplomacy had been thoroughly explored.
The United States suffers from close identification with
autocratic regimes in the Muslim world, and from the
perception of unquestioning support for the policies and
actions of the present Israeli Government. To enhance
credibility with Islamic peoples we must pursue courageous,
energetic and balanced efforts to establish peace between
Israelis and Palestinians, and policies that encourage
responsible democratic reforms.
We face profound challenges in the 21st Century:
proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, unequal
distribution of wealth and the fruits of globalization,
terrorism, environmental degradation, population growth in
the developing world, HIV/AIDS, ethnic and religious
confrontations. Such problems can not be resolved by military
force, nor by the sole remaining superpower alone; they
demand patient, coordinated global effort under the
leadership of the United States.
The Bush Administration has shown that it does not grasp
these circumstances of the new era, and is not able to rise
to the responsibilities of world leadership in either style
or substance. It is time for a change.
signatories
The Honorable Avis T. Bohlen: Assistant Secretary of State
for Arms Control, 1999; Ambassador to Bulgaria, 1996
(District of Columbia).
Admiral William J. Crowe, USN, Ret.; Chairman, President's
Foreign Intelligence Advisory Committee; 1993; Ambassador to
the Court of Saint James, 1993; Chairman, Joint Chiefs of
Staff, 1985; Commander in Chief, United States Pacific
Command (Oklahoma).
The Honorable Jeffrey S. Davidow; Ambassador to Mexico,
1998; Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American
Affairs, 1996; Ambassador to Venezuela, 1993; Ambassador to
Zambia, 1988 (Virginia).
The Honorable William A. DePree; Ambassador to Bangladesh,
1987; Director of State Department Management Operations,
1983; Ambassador to Mozambique, 1976 (Michigan).
The Honorable Donald B. Easum; Ambassador to Nigeria, 1975;
Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, 1974;
Ambassador to Upper Volta, 1971 (Virginia).
The Honorable Charles W. Freeman, Jr.; Assistant Secretary
of Defense, International Security Affairs, 1993; Ambassador
to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, 1989 (Rhode Island).
The Honorable William C. Harrop; Ambassador to Israel,
1991; Ambassador to Zaire, 1987; Inspector General of the
State Department and Foreign Service, 1983; Ambassador to
Kenya and Seychelles, 1980; Ambassador to Guinea, 1975 (New
Jersey).
The Honorable Arthur A. Hartman; Ambassador to the Soviet
Union, 1981; Ambassador to France, 1977; Assistant Secretary
of State for European Affairs, 1973 (New Jersey).
General Joseph P. Hoar, USMC, Ret.: Commander in Chief,
United States Central Command, 1991; Deputy Chief of Staff,
Marine Corps, 1990; Commanding General, Marine Corps Recruit
Depot, Parris Island, 1987 (Massachusetts).
The Honorable H. Allen Holmes: Assistant Secretary of
Defense for Special Operations, 1993; Ambassador at Large for
Burdensharing, 1989; Assistant Secretary of State for
Politico-Military Affairs, 1986; Ambassador to Portugal, 1982
(Kansas).
The Honorable Robert V. Keeley: Ambassador to Greece, 1985;
Ambassador to Zimbabwe, 1980; Ambassador to Mauritius, 1976
(Florida).
The Honorable Samuel W. Lewis: Director of State Department
Policy and Planning, 1993; Ambassador to Israel, 1977;
Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization
Affairs, 1975 (Texas).
The Honorable Princeton N. Lyman: Assistant Secretary of
State for International Organization Affairs, 1997;
Ambassador to South Africa, 1992; Director, Bureau of Refugee
Programs, 1989; Ambassador to Nigeria, 1986 (Maryland).
The Honorable Jack F. Matlock, Jr.: Ambassador to the
Soviet Union, 1987; Director for European and Soviet Affairs,
National Security Council, 1983; Ambassador to
Czechoslovakia, 1981 (Florida).
The Honorable Donald F. McHenry: Ambassador and U.S.
Permanent Representative to the United Nations, 1979
(Illinois).
General Merrill A. (Tony) McPeak, USAF, Ret.: Chief of
Staff, United States Air Force, 1990; Commander in Chief,
Pacific Air Forces, 1988; Commander, 12th Air Force and U.S.
Southern Command Air Forces, 1987 (Oregon).
The Honorable George E. Moose: Representative, United
Nations European Office, 1997; Assistant Secretary of State
for African Affairs, 1993; Ambassador to Senegal, 1988;
Director, State Department Bureau of Management Operations,
1987; Ambassador to Benin, 1983 (Colorado).
The Honorable David D. Newsom: Secretary of State ad
interim, 1981; Under Secretary of State for Political
Affairs, 1978; Ambassador to the Philippines, 1977;
Ambassador to Indonesia, 1973; Assistant Secretary of State
for African Affairs, 1969; Ambassador to Libya, 1965
(California).
The Honorable Phyllis E. Oakley: Assistant Secretary of
State for Intelligence and Research, 1997; Assistant
Secretary of State for Population, Refugees, and Migration,
1994 (Nebraska).
The Honorable Robert Oakley: Special Envoy for Somalia,
1992; Ambassador to Pakistan, 1988; Ambassador to Somalia,
1982; Ambassador to Zaire, 1979 (Louisiana).
The Honorable James D. Phillips: Diplomat-in-Residence, the
Carter Center of Emory University, 1994; Ambassador to the
Republic of Congo, 1990; Ambassador to Burundi, 1986
(Kansas).
The Honorable John E. Reinhardt: Director of the United
States Information Agency, 1977; Assistant Secretary of State
for Public Affairs, 1975; Ambassador to Nigeria, 1971
(Maryland).
General William Y. Smith, USAF, Ret.: Chief of Staff for
Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, 1979; Assistant to
the Chairman, Organization of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
1975; Director of National Security Affairs, Office of the
Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security
Affairs, 1974 (Arkansas).
The Honorable Ronald I. Spiers: Under Secretary General of
the United Nations for Political Affairs, 1989; Under
Secretary of State
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for Management, 1983; Ambassador to Pakistan, 1981; Director,
State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research, 1980;
Ambassador to Turkey, 1977; Ambassador to The Bahamas, 1973;
Director, State Department Bureau of Politico-Military
Affairs, 1969 (Vermont).
The Honorable Michael E. Sterner: Ambassador to the United
Arab Emirates, 1974 (New York).
Admiral Stansfield Turner, USN, Ret.: Director of the
Central Intelligence Agency, 1977; Commander in Chief, Allied
Forces Southern Europe (NATO), 1975; Commander, U.S. Second
Fleet, 1974 (Illinois).
The Honorable Alexander F. Watson: Assistant Secretary of
State for Inter-American Affairs, 1993; Ambassador to Brazil,
1992; Deputy Permanent Representative to the United Nations,
1989; Ambassador to Peru, 1986 (Maryland).
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[From the St. Petersburg Times, June 22, 2004]
Where's the Proof?
If Vice President Cheney has secret evidence of a link
between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, he has an obligation to
share it with the 9/11 commission.
President Bush and Vice President Cheney vehemently dispute
the 9/11 commission's conclusion that no ``collaborative''
relationship existed between al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein's
regime, and the vice president says he ``probably'' has seen
incriminating evidence that the commission has not reviewed.
If so, the Bush administration has an obligation to share
that evidence with the commission immediately. Members of the
commission, who were appointed by the president, are cleared
to see the most sensitive classified information, and the
administration agreed more than a year ago to provide all
documents the commission needs to complete its investigation
into the worst terrorist attacks in our nation's history.
Evidence of a more substantial link between al-Qaida and
Hussein wouldn't just bolster the administration's case for
having gone to war in Iraq; it also could help to complete
the picture of al-Qaida's planning and support prior to 9/11.
The White House also has an obligation to share any such
information with the American people and the world community.
We live in a representative democracy, not an autocracy, and
our government cannot successfully wage war for reasons that
are not understood and supported by the public. We also are
dependent on the cooperation of other governments around the
world in the war against terrorism, and that support depends
on our credibility.
We don't know what information the vice president is
referring to, but we do know this: Every important public
charge that the White House and its supporters did make
against Iraq in the months leading up to war--such as the
purchase of nuclear weapons from Africa, meetings between al-
Qaida and Iraqi operatives in Prague and mobile biological
weapons labs in the Iraqi desert--has been discredited.
No substantive evidence on the record supports the
administration's claim that Iraq presented an immediate
threat to U.S. security. Members of the 9/11 commission are
understandably reluctant to engage in a semantic argument
with the White House over the meaning of a ``collaborative''
relationship, but Thomas Kean, the Republican chairman of the
commission, notes that al-Qaida had more substantial links to
the governments of Iran and Pakistan prior to 9/11 than it
had to Iraq.
The 9/11 commission's reports have been meticulous,
straightforward and persuasive. They have dealt with Iraq
only to the extent that allegations about Hussein's possible
role in aiding al-Qaida prior to the attacks had to be
investigated and put to rest. The bipartisan commission's
credibility isn't in question. The administration's is.
That's the most important reason for the vice president to
come forward and produce the evidence he alluded to.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
The CHAIRMAN. Who seeks to control time in opposition to the
amendment?
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I rise to control the time. I am not in
opposition to the amendment, but I do have some remarks.
The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the gentleman from Florida (Mr.
Goss) will control the time.
There was no objection.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may consume to the
gentleman from Illinois (Mr. LaHood).
Mr. LaHOOD. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of this amendment, which
calls for the CIA's Inspector General to submit a report to Congress
detailing evidence of any relationship between Saddam Hussein's regime
and al Qaeda prior to September 11, 2001. This report will help augment
an already public record of such a relationship.
On November 4, 1998, the U.S. Federal Grand Jury issued an indictment
against Osama bin Laden alleging that he and others engaged in a long-
term conspiracy to attack U.S. facilities overseas. The same indictment
states that ``al Qaeda reached an agreement with the government of Iraq
and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons
development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of
Iraq.''
I would like to enter at the appropriate time the 1999 indictment
into the Record.
An Iraq defector to Turkey told the London Sunday Times that he saw
bin Laden's fighters in camps in Iraq in 1997. And I would also like to
enter at the appropriate time the July 14, 2002, London Sunday Times
article on this issue into the Record.
In October, 2000, an Iraqi intelligence operative was arrested along
the Afghan border by Pakistani authorities, according to ``Jane's
Foreign Report.'' This respected international newsletter reported that
the operative was shuttling between Iraq intelligence and al Qaeda's
number two man and that throughout 2003, in the portion of northern
Iraq loyal to Saddam Hussein, an Ansar al-Islam official admitted to
Kurdish newspapers that when Ansar al-Islam was established in 2001, al
Qaeda operatives offered a gift of $300,000 to assist the group in
conducting suicide operations against Americans.
An al Qaeda leader went to Iraq after he was injured in Afghanistan
in May, 2002. Once he recovered, he traveled to Lebanon where he met
with Hezbollah just before the October, 2002, assassination of USAID
official Lawrence Foley in Jordan. After Zarqawi's return to Iraq, he
met with Ansar al-Islam officials in January, 2003, according to
several AI terrorists arrested in Britain.
Zarqawi is currently in Iraq taking credit for suicide car bombings
against innocent Iraqis and coalition forces.
More recently Abdul Rahman Yasin remains the only member of the al
Qaeda cell that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at
large from the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq where U.S. forces
recently uncovered a cache of documents in Saddam's hometown of Tikrit
that show Yasin received both a house and monthly salary from Iraq.
A 9-11 Commission staff working paper stated that there appears to be
no evidence that Iraq was linked to the September 11 attacks on the
United States, but several Commission members have corrected the record
recently to state that ``The Vice President is saying that there were
connections between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government. We don't
disagree with that,'' and that the Commission has ``found contacts
between al Qaeda and Iraq, that some of it is shadowy, but there is no
question that the contacts were there.''
I would like to submit at the appropriate time the transcript of the
Talk Radio News Service questioning of 9-11 Commission members Hamilton
and Kean following the hearing of the 9-11 Commission on Thursday, June
17, 2004.
Lastly, we should not forget that Iraq was designated as the state
sponsor of terrorism for more than a decade, including this
administration as well as previous administrations.
I urge this amendment be adopted so we can further augment our
understanding of the nature of any relationship between al Qaeda and
the Hussein government.
Indictment
In the United States District Court--Southern District of
New York, United States of America v. Usama bin laden,
Defendant.
count one--conspiracy to attack defense utilities of the united states
The Grand Jury charges:
Background: Al Qaeda
1. At all relevant times from in or about 1989 until the
date of the filing of this Indictment, an international
terrorist group existed which was dedicated to opposing non-
Islamic governments with force and violence. This
organization grew out of the ``mekhtab al khidemat'' (the
``Services Office'') organization which had maintained (and
continues to maintain) offices in various parts of the world,
including Afghanistan, Pakistan (particularly in Peshawar)
and the United States, particularly at the Alkifah Refugee
Center in Brooklyn. From in or about 1989 until the present,
the group called itself ``Al Qaeda'' (``the Base''). From
1989 until in or about 1991, the group was headquartered in
Afghanistan and Peshawar, Pakistan. In or about 1992, the
leadership of Al Qaeda, including its ``emir'' (or prince)
USAMA BIN LADEN, the defendant, and its military command
relocated to the Sudan. From in or about 1991 until the
present, the group also called itself the ``Islamic Army.''
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The international terrorist group (hereafter referred to as
``Al Qaeda'') was headquartered in the Sudan from
approximately 1992 until approximately 1996 but still
maintained offices in various parts of the world. In 1996,
USAMA BIN LADEN and Al Qaeda relocated to Afghanistan. At all
relevant times, Al Qaeda was led by its ``emir,'' USAMA BIN
LADEN. Members of Al Qaeda pledged an oath of allegiance to
USAMA BIN LADEN and Al Qaeda.
2. Al Qaeda opposed the United States for several reasons.
First, the United States was regarded as ``infidel'' because
it was not governed in a manner consistent with the group's
extremist interpretation of Islam. Second, the United States
was viewed as providing essential support for other
``infidel'' governments and institutions, particularly the
governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the nation of Israel
and the United Nations, which were regarded as enemies of the
group. Third, Al Qaeda opposed the involvement of the United
States armed forces in the Gulf War in 1991 and in Operation
Restore Hope in Somalia in 1992 and 1993. In particular, Al
Qaeda opposed the continued presence of American military
forces in Saudi Arabia (and elsewhere on the Saudi Arabian
peninsula) following the Gulf War. Fourth, Al Qaeda opposed
the United States Government because of the arrest,
conviction and imprisonment of persons belonging to Al Qaeda
or its affiliated terrorist groups, including Sheik Omar
Abdel Rahman.
3. Al Qaeda has functioned both on its own and through some
of the terrorist organizations that have operated under
its umbrella, including: the Islamic Group (also known as
``al Gamaa Islamia'' or simply ``Gamaa't''), led by co-
conspirator Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman,'' the al Jihad group
based in Egypt; the ``Talah e Fatah'' (``Vanguards of
Conquest'') faction of al Jihad, which was also based in
Egypt, which faction was led by co-conspirator Ayman al
Zawahiri (``al Jihad''); Palestinian Islamic Jihad; and a
number of jihad groups in other countries, including
Egypt, the Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, Eritrea,
Kenya, Pakistan, Bosnia, Croatia, Algeria, Tunisia,
Lebanon, the Philippines, Tajikistan, Chechnya,
Bangladesh, Kashmir and Azerbaijan. In February 1998, Al
Qaeda joined forces with Gamaa't, Al Jihad, the Jihad
Movement in Bangladesh and the ``Jamaat ul Ulema e
Pakistan'' to issue a fatwah (an Islamic religious ruling)
declaring war against American civilians worldwide under
the banner of the ``International Islamic Front for Jihad
on the Jews and Crusaders.''
4. Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic
Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its
associated terrorist group Hezballah for the purpose of
working together against their perceived common enemies in
the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al
Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq
that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that
on particular projects, specifically including weapons
development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the
Government of Iraq.
5. Al Qaeda had a command and control structure which
included a majlis al shura (or consultation council) which
discussed and approved major undertakings, including
terrorist operations.
6. Al Qaeda also conducted internal investigations of its
members and their associates in an effort to detect
informants and killed those suspected of collaborating with
enemies of Al Qaeda.
7. From at least 1991 until the date of the filing of this
Indictment, in the Sudan, Afghanistan and elsewhere out of
the jurisdiction of any particular state or district, USAMA
BIN LADEN, a/k/a ``Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Laden,'' a/k/a
``Shaykh Usamah Bin-Laden,'' a/k/a ``Mujahid Shaykh,'' a/k/a
``Abu Abdallah,'' a/k/a `QaQa,'' the defendant, and co-
conspirator not named as a defendant herein (hereafter ``Co-
conspirator'') who was first brought to and arrested in the
Southern District of New York, and others known and unknown
to the grand jury, unlawfully, willfully and knowingly
combined, conspired, confederated and agreed together and
with each other to injure and destroy, and attempt to injure
and destroy, national-defense material, national-defense
premises and national-defense utilities of the United States
with the intent to injure, interfere with and obstruct the
national defense of the United States.
Overt Acts
8. In furtherance of the same conspiracy, and to effect the
illegal object thereof, the following overt acts, among
others, were committed:
a. At various times from at least as early as 1991 until at
least in or about February 1998, USAMA BIN LADEN, the
defendant, met with Co-conspirator and other members of Al
Qaeda in the Sudan, Afghanistan and elsewhere;
b. At various times from at least as early as 1991, USAMA
BIN LADEN, and others known and unknown, made efforts to
obtain weapons, including firearms and explosives, for Al
Qaeda and its affiliated terrorist groups;
c. At various times from at least as early as 1991, USAMA
BIN LADEN, and others known and unknown, provided training
camps and guesthouses in various areas, including Afghanistan
and the Sudan, for the use of Al Qaeda and its affiliated
terrorist groups;
d. At various times from at least as early as 1991, USAMA
BIN LADEN, and others known and unknown, made efforts to
produce counterfeit passports purporting to be issued by
various countries and also obtained official passports from
the Government of the Sudan for use by Al Qaeda and its
affiliated groups;
e. At various times from at least as early as 1991, USAMA
BIN LADEN, and others known and unknown, made efforts to
recruit United States citizens to Al Qaeda in order to
utilize the American citizens for travel throughout the
Western world to deliver messages and engage in financial
transactions for the benefit of Al Qaeda and its affiliated
groups;
f. At various times from at least as early as 1991, USAMA
BIN LADEN, and others known and unknown, made efforts to
utilize non-Government organizations which purported to be
engaged in humanitarian work as conduits for transmitting
funds for the benefit of Al Qaeda and its affiliated groups;
g. At various times from at least as early as 1991, Co-
conspirator and others known and unknown to the grand jury
engaged in financial and business transactions on behalf of
defendant USAMA BIN LADEN and Al Qaeda, including, but not
limited to: purchasing land for training camps: purchasing
warehouses for storage of items, including explosives;
transferring funds between bank accounts opened in various
names; obtaining various communications equipment, including
satellite telephones; and transporting currency and weapons
to members of Al Qaeda and its associated terrorist
organizations in various countries throughout the world;
h. At various times from in or about 1992 until the date of
the filing of this Indictment, USAMA BIN LADEN and other
ranking members of Al Qaeda stated privately to other members
of Al Qaeda that Al Qaeda should put aside its differences
with Shiite Muslim terrorist organizations, including the
Government of Iran and its affiliated terrorist group
Hezballah, to cooperate against the perceived common enemy,
the United States and its allies;
i. At various times from in or about 1992 until the date of
the filing of this Indictment, USAMA BIN LADEN and other
ranking members of Al Qaeda stated privately to other members
of Al Qaeda that the United States forces stationed on the
Saudi Arabian peninsula, including both Saudi Arabia and
Yemen, should be attacked;
j. At various times from in or about 1992 until the date of
the filing of this Indictment, USAMA BIN LADEN and other
ranking members of Al Qaeda stated privately to other
members of Al Qaeda that the United States forces
stationed in the Horn of Africa, including Somalia, should
be attacked;
k. Beginning in or about early spring 1993, Al Qaeda
members began to provide training and assistance to Somali
tribes opposed to the United Nations' intervention in
Somalia;
l. On October 3 and 4, 1993, members of Al Qaeda
participated with Somali tribesmen in an attack on United
States military personnel serving in Somalia as part of
Operation Restore Hope, which attack killed a total of 18
United States soldiers and wounded 73 others in Mogadishu;
m. On two occasions in the period from in or about 1992
until in or about 1995, Co-conspirator helped transport
weapons and explosives from Khartoum to Port Sudan for
transshipment to the Saudi Arabian peninsula;
n. At various times from at least as early as 1993, USAMA
BIN LADEN and others known and unknown, made efforts to
obtain the components of nuclear weapons:
o. At various times from at least as early as 1993, USAMA
BIN LADEN and others known and unknown, made efforts to
produce chemical weapons;
p. On or about August 23, 1996, USAMA BIN LADEN signed and
issued a Declaration of Jihan entitled ``Message from Usamah
Bin-Muhammad Bin-Laden to His Muslim Brothers in the Whole
World and Especially in the Arabian Peninsula: Declaration of
Jihad Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two
Holy Mosques; Expel the Heretics from the Arabian Peninsula''
(hereafter ``Declaration of Jihad'') from the Hindu Kush
mountains in Afghanistan. The Declaration of Jihad included
statements that efforts should be pooled to kill Americans
and encouraged other persons to join the jihad against the
American ``enemy'';
q. In or about late August 1996, USAMA BIN LADEN read aloud
the Declaration of Jihad and made an audiotape recording of
such reading for worldwide distribution: and
r. In February 1998, USAMA BIN LADEN issued a joint
declaration in the name of Gamaa't, Al Jihad, the Jihad
Movement in Bangladesh and the ``Jamaat ul Ulema e Pakistan''
under the banner of the ``International Islamic Front for
Jihad on the Jews and Crusaders,'' which stated that Muslims
should kill Americans--including civilians--anywhere in the
world where they can be found.
(Title 18, United States Code, Section 2155(b).)
Mary Jo White,
United States Attorney.
____
[From the Sunday Times (London), July 14, 2002]
Militia Defector Claims Baghdad Trained Al-Qaeda Fighters in Chemical
Warfare
(By Gwynne Roberts)
A former colonel in Saddam Hussein's Fedayeen, one of
Iraq's most brutal militias,
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has claimed that he trained with fighters from Osama Bin
Laden's Al-Qaeda terrorist network in secret camps near
Baghdad. The defector, who fled to Turkey three years ago,
says that as long ago as 1997 and 1998, Islamic extremists
were being taught how to use chemical and biological weapons.
Their instructors, he says, were from a military
intelligence organisation known as Unit 999, which ran a six-
month course for ``foreigners'' including the Iranian
opposition organisation Mojahedin-e Khalq and the Turkish-
Kurdish PKK rebel movement as well as Al-Qaeda.
Colonel ``Abu Mohammed'', whose real name is being withheld
to protect him and his family near Ankara, says American
officials who debriefed him in 1999 showed little interest in
his information. If true, however, his story may acquire
fresh significance as America seeks evidence of a link
between Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden that could help it to
justify an attack on Baghdad. In recent months several
defectors have spoken of secret training camps in Iraq where
Arabs from all over the Middle East have been trained in
sabotage techniques by Mukhabarat (intelligence) instructors.
Mohammed said he was recruited into Saddam's Fedayeen in
1997 and trained at two secret facilities--at Salman Pak,
southeast of Baghdad, and at the Unit 999 camp, northwest of
the Iraqi capital. His first encounter with Bin Laden's
fighters occurred at Salman Pak when he was on an
induction course to become a Fedayeen officer, he said.
``We were met by Colonel Jamil Kamil, the camp manager, and
Major Ali Hawas. I noticed that a lot of people were queueing
for food.
(The major) said to me: `You'll have nothing to do with
these people. They are Osama Bin Laden's group and the PKK
and the Mojahedin-e Khalq.
``They train for three months at Unit 999 and another three
at the Mukhabarat school in Salman Pak. So there are two
camps where they train Bin Laden's people.''
Mohammed said he had attended another training course at
Salman Pak and Unit 999 a year later, spending 15 days at
each facility. Here, once again, he encountered Al-Qaeda
fighters undergoing specialised sabotage training.
``There was training in the use of biological and chemical
weapons there but they were not Iraqis doing it--only
foreigners,'' he said.
``They were trained to put materials into small containers
and study the biological effects. In the training areas there
is a field especially for weapons of mass destruction. Here,
experts hold lectures and conduct biological experiments--
theoretical experiments, of course--on how to place
explosives or how to pollute specific areas, water and public
places and ventilation systems as well as power stations.
They had maps of the USA, Britain, Turkey, Iran and Saudi
Arabia.''
Mohammed's claims illustrate the challenge American
officials face in determining the quality of information from
defectors whose hatred of the Iraqi regime may lead them to
embellish their accounts.
The intelligence services have struggled to find convincing
evidence of links between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Saddam's secular
regime has little in common with Bin Laden except for a
shared hatred of America and Israel.
However, Abbas al-Janabi, who spent 15 years as personal
assistant to Uday, Saddam's son, before fleeing to the West
in 1998 and who is regarded as one of the most reliable
senior defectors, is convinced that there is a connection
between Bin Laden and Saddam. Last week he said he had learnt
that Iraqi officials had visited Afghanistan and Sudan to
strengthen ties with Al-Qaeda. He also knew of a top secret
centre near Baghdad where ``foreigners'' trained with Iraqis.
``This was a sort of factory for turning out instructors,''
Janabi said. ``They trained both Iraqis and foreign
nationals. Suicide squads were trained in sabotage techniques
using weapons of mass destruction. They were well paid, well
fed and their families well looked after.'' Janabi
predicted that in the event of war with the West, Saddam
would deploy bio-weapons including smallpox.
The training described by Mohammed and Jannabi raises the
possibility that Iraq has been passing on expertise learnt
from the East Germans during the cold war. At Massow, a camp
just south of Berlin, secret police instructors taught Iraqis
how to attack civilian targets using chemical and biological
warfare agents.
A former Stasi lieutenant-colonel said: ``The courses
emphasised chemical weapons which attack the nervous system.
They were also taught how to deploy bacteriological weapons--
influenza, anthrax and yellow fever.''
In a Kurdish prison in Sulaimaniya, northern Iraq, further
corroboration of claims that Saddam and Bin Laden have co-
operated has come from an Iraqi who has admitted working for
the Mukhabarat. He said that Bin Laden's second-in-command,
the Egyptian doctor Ayman al-Zawahiri, had met Saddam in
Baghdad in 1992. ``I was one of the people responsible for
his protection,'' he claimed.
The prisoner seemed well informed about Unit 999. Men
attached to Al-Qaeda had been dispatched, from there to
Afghanistan, Lebanon, Sudan and to a base in Somalia from
where they were reassigned, he said. Some fighters trained by
the Iraqis had joined Al-Ansar Al-Islam, the Allies of Islam,
a militant Islamic group based in eastern Kurdistan.
Acts of terror by this group are beginning to pose a
serious threat to stability in the area. Al-Ansar is blamed
for trying to assassinate Dr Barham Salih, prime minister of
the Kurdish regional government, in April. Two would-be
assassins were killed and a third was captured. During the
subsequent investigation the captive reportedly admitted that
Al-Qaeda had recruited him in Jordan.
There is also growing evidence that Bin Laden's supporters
are crossing through Iran from Afghanistan to join AlAnsar.
Inhabitants of Halabja, the town gassed by the Iraqi army in
1988, live in fear of Al-Ansar reprisals against anyone
considered pro-western.
With the prospect of American intervention in northern Iraq
looming, Al-Ansar could prove dangerous. Its objective is to
overthrow the pro-western Kurdish regional governments and to
set up an Islamic state modelled on the Taliban's rule in
Afghanistan.
____
[From Global Security.org, Dec. 14, 2002]
Salman Park--Iraq special Weapons Facilities
Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly
secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both
Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking
planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage,
and assassinations.
The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a
peninsula caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately
five kilometers (km) from the arch located in the town of
Salman Pak. The facility area comprised more than 20 square
km, and might have been known as a farmers (or agricultural)
experimentation center. The peninsula was fenced off and
patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside and to
the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the
larger built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other
for his half-brother, Barazan alTikriti. A main paved road
ran through the center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula.
Plans were made in the mid-1980's to develop the Salman Pak
site into a secure biological warfare research facility. Dr
Rihab Taha, head of a small biological weapons research team,
continued to work with her team at al-Muthanna until 1987
when it moved to Salman Pak, which was under the control of
the Directorate of General Intelligence.
Located at the facility are several buildings. The probable
main research building at the site is a modern building,
composed of twenty four rooms, housing a major BW research
facility. Using current technology the research area alone
had sufficient floor space to accommodate several continuous
flow or batch fermenters that could produce daily sufficient
anthrax bacteria to lethally assault hundreds of square
kilometers. Adjacent to the research building is a storage
area which contains four munitions type storage bunkers with
lighting arrestors. Two of these bunkers have facilities for
storage of temperature sensitive biological material.
Approximately a mile down the road from the research area is
a complex US intelligence believe to be an engineering area.
One building in this complex was thought to contain a
fermentation pilot plant capable of scale up production of
BW agents. A construction project comprising several
buildings was begun in early 1989 adjacent to the
engineering area, and was near completion in 1990. This
new complex was assessed as a pharmaceutical production
plant. As such, this facility would have an extensive
capability for biological agent production.
Salman Pak, located 30-40 km SE of Baghdad, engaged in
laboratory scale research on Anthrax, Botulinum toxin,
Clostridium, perfringens (gas gangrene), mycotoxins,
aflatoxins, and Ricin. Researchers at this site carried out
toxicity evaluations of these agents and examined their
growth characteristics and survivability.
Equipment-moving trucks and refrigerated trucks were
observed at the Salman Pak BW facility prior to the onset of
bombing, suggesting that Iraq was moving equipment or
material into or out of the facility. Information obtained
after the conflict revealed that Iraq had moved BW agent
production equipment from Salman Pak to the Al Hakam suspect
BW facility.
The Qadisiya State Establishment [aka Al-Qadsia], involved
in the program to produce Al Hussein class missiles, is
apparently located nearby, along with the Al-Yarmouk facility
which according to some reports was associated with the
chemical munitions program [and which other reports place at
Yusufiyah].
Iraq told UN inspectors that Salman Pak was an anti-terror
training camp for Iraqi special forces. However, two
defectors from Iraqi intelligence stated that they had worked
for several years at the secret Iraqi government camp, which
had trained Islamic terrorists in rotations of five or six
months since 1995. Training activities including simulated
hijackings carried out in an airplane fuselage [said to be a
Boeing 707] at the camp. The camp is divided into distinct
sections. On one side of the camp young, Iraqis who were
members of Fedayeen Saddam are trained in espionage,
assassination techniques and sabotage. The Islamic militants
trained on the other side of the camp, in an
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area separated by a small lake, trees and barbed wire. The
militants reportedly spent time training, usually in groups
of five or six, around the fuselage of the airplane. There
were rarely more than 40 or 50 Islamic radicals in the camp
at one time.
____
[From townhall.com, June 18, 2004]
Wrong Again
(By Richard Miniter)
Every day it seems another American soldier is killed in
Iraq. These grim statistics have become a favorite of network
news anchors and political chat show hosts. Nevermind that
they mix deaths from accidents with actual battlefield
casualties; or that the average is actually closer to one
American death for every two days; or that enemy deaths far
outnumber ours. What matters is the overall impression of
mounting, pointless deaths.
That is why it is important to remember why we fight in
Iraq--and who we fight. Indeed, many of those sniping at U.S.
troops are al Qaeda terrorists operating inside Iraq. And
many of bin Laden's men were in Iraq prior to the liberation.
A wealth of evidence on the public record--from government
reports and congressional testimony to news accounts from
major newspapers--attests to longstanding ties between bin
Laden and Saddam going back to 1994.
Those who try to whitewash Saddam's record don't dispute
this evidence; they just ignore it. So let's review the
evidence, all of it on the public record for months or years:
Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell
that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at
large in the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq. U.S. forces
recently discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddam's
hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house and
monthly salary.
Bin Laden met at least eight times with officers of Iraq's
Special Security Organization, a secret police agency run by
Saddam's son Qusay, and met with officials from Saddam's
mukhabarat, its external intelligence service, according to
intelligence made public by Secretary of State Colin Powell,
who was speaking before the United Nations Security Council
on February 6, 2003.
Sudanese intelligence officials told me that their agents
had observed meetings between Iraqi intelligence agents and
bin Laden starting in 1994, when bin Laden lived in Khartoum.
Bin Laden met the director of the Iraqi mukhabarat in 1996 in
Khartoum, according to Mr. Powell. An al Qaeda operative now
held by the U.S. confessed that in the mid-1990s, bin Laden
had forged an agreement with Saddam's men to cease all
terrorist activities against the Iraqi dictator, Mr. Powell
told the United Nations.
In 1999 the Guardian, a British newspaper, reported that
Farouk Hijazi, a senior officer in Iraq's mukhabarat, had
journeyed deep into the icy mountains near Kandahar,
Afghanistan, in December 1998 to meet with al Qaeda men. Mr.
Hijazi is ``thought to have offered bin Laden asylum in
Iraq,'' the Guardian reported.
In October 2000, another Iraqi intelligence operative,
Salah Suleiman, was arrested near the Afghan border by
Pakistani authorities, according to Jane's Foreign Report, a
respected international newsletter. Jane's reported that
Suleiman was shuttling between Iraqi intelligence and Ayman
al Zawahiri, now al Qaeda's No. 2 man.
(Why are all of those meetings significant? The London
Observer reports that FBI investigators cite a captured al
Qaeda field manual in Afghanistan, which ``emphasizes the
value of conducting discussions about pending terrorist
attacks face to face, rather than by electronic means.'')
As recently as 2001, Iraq's embassy in Pakistan was used as
a ``liaison'' between the Iraqi dictator and al Qaeda, Mr.
Powell told the United Nations.
Spanish investigators have uncovered documents seized from
Yusuf Galan--who is charged by a Spanish court with being
``directly involved with the preparation and planning'' of
the Sept. 11 attacks--that show the terrorist was invited to
a party at the Iraqi embassy in Madrid. The invitation used
his ``al Qaeda nom de guerre,'' London's Independent reports.
An Iraqi defector to Turkey, known by his cover name as
``Abu Mohammed,'' told Gwynne Roberts of the Sunday Times of
London that he saw bin Laden's fighters in camps in Iraq in
1997. At the time, Mohammed was a colonel in Saddam's
Fedayeen. He described an encounter at Salman Pak, the
training facility southeast of Baghdad. At that vast compound
run by Iraqi intelligence, Muslim militants trained to hijack
planes with knives--on a full-size Boeing 707. Col. Mohammed
recalls his first visit to Salman Pak this way: ``We were met
by Colonel Jamil Kamil, the camp manager, and Major Ali
Hawas. I noticed that a lot of people were queuing for food.
(The major) said to me: `You'll have nothing to do with these
people. They are Osama bin Laden's group and the PKK and
Mojahedin-e Khalq.' ''
In 1998, Abbas al-Janabi, a longtime aide to Saddam's son
Uday, defected to the West. At the time, he repeatedly told
reporters that there was a direct connection between Iraq and
al Qaeda.
The Sunday Times found a Saddam loyalist in a Kurdish
prison who claims to have been Dr. Zawahiri's bodyguard
during his 1992 visit with Saddam in Baghdad. Dr. Zawahiri
was a close associate of bin Laden at the time and was
present at the founding of al Qaeda in 1989.
Following the defeat of the Taliban, almost two dozen bin
Laden associates ``converged on Baghdad and established a
base of operations there,'' Mr. Powell told the United
Nations in February 2003. From their Baghdad base, the
secretary said, they supervised the movement of men,
materiel and money for al Qaeda's global network.
In 2001, an al Qaeda member ``bragged that the situation in
Iraq was `good,' '' according to intelligence made public by
Mr. Powell.
That same year, Saudi Arabian border guards arrested two al
Qaeda members entering the kingdom from Iraq.
Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi oversaw an al Qaeda training camp in
Afghanistan, Mr. Powell told the United Nations. His
specialty was poisons. Wounded in fighting with U.S. forces,
he sought medical treatment in Baghdad in May 2002. When
Zarqawi recovered, he restarted a training camp in northern
Iraq. Zargawi's Iraq cell was later tied to the October 2002
murder of Lawrence Foley, an official of the U.S. Agency for
International Development, in Amman, Jordan. The captured
assassin confessed that he received orders and funds from
Zarqawi's cell in Iraq, Mr. Powell said. His accomplice
escaped to Iraq.
Zarqawi met with military chief of al Qaeda, Mohammed
Ibrahim Makwai (aka Saif al-Adel) in Iran in February 2003,
according to intelligence sources cited by the Washington
Post.
Mohammad Atef, the head of al Qaeda's military wing until
the U.S. killed him in Afghanistan in November 2001, told a
senior al Qaeda member now in U.S. custody that the terror
network needed labs outside of Afghanistan to manufacture
chemical weapons, Mr. Powell said. ``Where did they go, where
did they look?'' said the secretary. ``They went to Iraq.''
Abu Abdullah al-Iraqi was sent to Iraq by bin Laden to
purchase poison gases several times between 1997 and 2000. He
called his relationship with Saddam's regime ``successful,''
Mr. Powell told the United Nations.
Mohamed Mansour Shahab, a smuggler hired by Iraq to
transport weapons to bin Laden in Afghanistan, was arrested
by anti-Hussein Kurdish forces in May, 2000. He later told
his story to American intelligence and a reporter for the New
Yorker magazine.
Documents found among the debris of the Iraqi Intelligence
Center show that Baghdad funded the Allied Democratic Forces,
a Ugandan terror group led by an Islamist cleric linked to
bin Laden. According to a London's Daily Telegraph, the
organization offered to recruit ``youth to train for the
jihad'' at a ``headquarters for international holy warrior
network'' to be established in Baghdad.
Mullah Melan Krekar, ran a terror group (the Ansar al-
Islam) linked to both bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Mr.
Krekar admitted to a Kurdish newspaper that he met bin Laden
in Afghanistan and other senior al Qaeda officials. His
acknowledged meetings with bin Laden go back to 1988. When he
organized Ansar al Islam in 2001 to conduct suicide attacks
on Americans, ``three bin Laden operatives showed up with a
gift of $300,000 `to undertake jihad,' '' Newsday reported.
Mr. Krekar is now in custody in the Netherlands. His group
operated in portion of northern Iraq loyal to Saddam
Hussein--and attacked independent Kurdish groups hostile to
Saddam. A spokesman for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan told
a United Press International correspondent that Mr. Krekar's
group was funded by ``Saddam Hussein's regime in Baghdad.''
After October 2001, hundreds of al Qaeda fighters are
believed to have holed up in the Ansar al-Islam's strongholds
inside northern Iraq.
Some skeptics dismiss the emerging evidence of a
longstanding link between Iraq and al Qaeda by contending
that Saddam ran a secular dictatorship hated by Islamists
like bin Laden.
In fact, there are plenty of ``Stalin-Roosevelt''
partnerships between international terrorists and Muslim
dictators. Saddam and bin Laden had common enemies, common
purposes and interlocking needs. They shared a powerful hate
for America and the Saudi royal family. They both saw the
Gulf War as a turning point. Saddam suffered a crushing
defeat which he had repeatedly vowed to avenge. Bin Laden
regards the U.S. as guilty of war crimes against Iraqis and
believes that non-Muslims shouldn't have military bases on
the holy sands of Arabia. Al Qaeda's avowed goal for the past
ten years has been the removal of American forces from Saudi
Arabia, where they stood in harm's way solely to contain
Saddam.
The most compelling reason for bin Laden to work with
Saddam is money. Al Qaeda operatives have testified in
federal courts that the terror network was always desperate
for cash. Senior employees fought bitterly about the $100
difference in pay between Egyptian and Saudis (the Egyptians
made more). One al Qaeda member, who was connected to the
1998 embassy bombings, told a U.S. federal court how bitter
he was that bin Laden could not pay for his pregnant wife to
see a doctor.
Bin Laden's personal wealth alone simply is not enough to
support a profligate global organization. Besides, bin
Laden's fortune is probably not as large as some imagine.
Informed estimates put bin Laden's pre-Sept. 11, 2001 wealth
at perhaps $30 million. $30 million is the budget of a small
school district, not a global terror conglomerate. Meanwhile,
Forbes estimated Saddam's personal fortune at $2 billion.
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So a common enemy, a shared goal and powerful need for cash
seem to have forged an alliance between Saddam and bin Laden.
CIA Director George Tenet recently told the Senate
Intelligence Committee: ``Iraq has in the past provided
training in document forgery and bomb making to al Qaeda. It
also provided training in poisons and gasses to two al Qaeda
associates; one of these [al Qaeda] associates characterized
the relationship as successful. Mr. Chairman, this
information is based on a solid foundation of intelligence.
It comes to us from credible and reliable sources. Much of it
is corroborated by multiple sources.
The Iraqis, who had the Third World's largest poison-gas
operations prior to the Gulf War I, have perfected the
technique of making hydrogen-cyanide gas, which the Nazis
called Zyklon-B. In the hands of al Qaeda this would be a
fearsome weapon in an enclosed space like a suburban mall or
subway station.
____
[From Talk Radio News Service, June 17, 2004]
(Excerpt from the media availability following the hearing
of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the
United States. Participants: Thomas Kean, Commission
Chairman; Lee Hamilton, Commission Co-Chairman.)
Question. The Associated Press is reporting this morning
that President Bush has disputed your finding that there was
no collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein and al
Qaeda. Would you like to comment on that?
Mr. Kean. Well, what we're going on is the evidence we have
found. What we have found is that, were there contacts
between al Qaeda and Iraq? Yes. Some of it is shadowy, but
there's no question they were there. That is correct. What
our staff statement found is there is no credible evidence
that we can discover, after a long investigation, that Iraq
and Saddam Hussein in any way were part of the attack on the
United States.
Mr. Hamilton. I must say I have trouble understanding the
flack over this. The vice president is saying, I think, that
there were connections between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's
government. We don't disagree with that. What we have said is
what the governor just said, we don't have any evidence of a
cooperative, or a corroborative relationship between Saddam
Hussein's government and these al Qaeda operatives with
regard to the attacks on the United States. So it seems to me
the sharp differences that the press has drawn, the media has
drawn, are not that apparent to me.
____
Mr. KUCINICH. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
I want to thank the gentleman from Illinois for helping to
demonstrate the very reason why it is important to have an Inspector
General's audit because of all the conflicting information. So I
appreciate his presenting his side.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from California
(Ms. Harman), our ranking member.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time.
I believe that having the CIA Inspector General conduct an impartial
independent audit of the intelligence reporting on this matter is a
good idea, and I support his amendment.
Let me just mention something that I do not believe has come up the
debate, and that is that there is a real difference pre-war and post-
war. From my review of the sources provided to our committee on the
nature of this relationship, I have concluded that pre-war there were
contacts but no operational relationship. Post-war is a different
story. Post-war there is an operational relationship between terrorists
and folks on the ground in Iraq. Saddam Hussein is no longer there, but
there is a massive both recruiting and enabling effort in Iraq for
terrorists around the world. Iraq has now become fly paper.
Let me just suggest to the amendment's sponsor that the results of
the audit should be made public. I think that might help eradicate some
of the confusion that has been discussed.
I think his amendment is a public service, and I support it.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished
gentleman from California (Mr. Cunningham).
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Chairman, I do not oppose the amendment, but I
resent the implication that the President did something wrong. And I
would like to read.
``That's why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of stuff
unaccounted for. I thought the President had an absolute responsibility
to go to the U.N. and say, 'Look, guys, after 9-11 you have got to
demand that Saddam Hussein lets us finish the inspection process. I
supported what he did going into Iraq. What I was far more worried
about was that he'd sell this stuff or give it away. Same thing I've
always been worried about North Korea's nuclear and al Qaeda, as well
as North Korea giving away nuclear components.''
This is President Bill Clinton. And al Qaeda was there in Iraq. Al
Qaeda had significant ties to that. Saddam Hussein paid people to blow
themselves up in Israel and kill American citizens. So the implication
that al Qaeda was not in Iraq I oppose. But I do not oppose going in
and researching exactly what those were.
[From Time Magazine, June 28, 2004]
You know, I have repeatedly defended President Bush against
the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited
until the U.N. inspections were over. I don't believe he went
in there for oil. We didn't go in there for imperialist or
financial reasons. We went in there because he bought the
Wolfowitz-Cheney analysis that the Iraqis would be better
off, we could shake up the authoritarian Arab regimes in the
Middle East, and our leverage to make peace between the
Palestinians and Israelis would be increased.
At the moment the U.N. inspectors were kicked out in 1998,
this is the proper language: there were substantial
quantities of botulinum and aflatoxin, as I recall, some
bioagents, I believe there were those, and VX and ricin,
chemical agents, unaccounted for. Keep in mind, that's all we
ever had to work on. We also thought there were a few
missiles, some warheads, and maybe a very limited amount of
nuclear laboratory capacity.
After 9/11, let's be fair here, if you had been President,
you'd think, Well, this fellow bin Laden just turned these
three airplanes full of fuel into weapons of mass
destruction, right? Arguably they were super-powerful
chemical weapons. Think about it that way. So, you're sitting
there as President, you're reeling in the aftermath of this,
so, yeah, you want to go get bin Laden and do Afghanistan and
all that. But you also have to say, Well, my first
responsibility now is to try everything possible to make sure
that this terrorist network and other terrorist networks
cannot reach chemical and biological weapons or small amounts
of fissile material. I've got to do that.
That's why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of
stuff unaccounted for. So I thought the President had an
absolute responsibility to go to the U.N. and say, ``Look,
guys, after 9/11, you have got to demand that Saddam Hussein
lets us finish the inspection process. You couldn't
responsibly ignore [the possibility that] a tyrant had these
stocks. I never really thought he'd [use them]. What I was
far more worried about was that he'd sell this stuff or give
it away. Same thing I've always been worried about North
Korea's nuclear and missile capacity. I don't expect North
Korea to bomb South Korea, because they know it would be the
end of their country. But if you can't feed yourself, the
temptation to sell this stuff is overwhelming. So that's why
I thought Bush did the right thing to go back. When you're
the President, and your country has just been through what we
had, you want everything to be accounted for.
on whether the Iraq war was worth the costs
It's a judgment that no one can make definitively yet. I
would not have done it until after Hans Blix finished his
job. Having said that, over 600 of our people have died since
the conflict was over. We've got a big stake now in making it
work. I want it to have been worth it, even though I didn't
agree with the timing of the attack. I think if you have a
pluralistic, secure, stable Iraq, the people of Iraq will be
better off, and it might help the process of internal reform
in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. I think right now, getting rid
of Saddam's tyranny, ironically, has made Iraq more
vulnerable to terrorism coming in from the outside. But any
open society is going to be more vulnerable than any tyranny
to that.
Mr. KUCINICH. Mr. Chairman, I yield 45 seconds to the gentleman from
Texas (Mr. Reyes).
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time.
I rise in support of this amendment, and I appreciate the remarks of
our colleagues on the other side of the aisle because it is important
to set the record straight, let the facts come out and see where
everything was.
I would remind everybody that for a whole year, post-9-11, when
intelligence people would come and brief our committee, I would ask
what was the connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, and
repeatedly their answer was none. In one case, one individual said
there might have been, if we stretch it, one instance. But I think it
is important that we get to the bottom of this. This is a right way to
do it. This is something that the whole House should support, and I
applaud the gentleman for offering it.
Mr. KUCINICH. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
I just want to thank all my colleagues for their perspectives as to
why
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this is a necessary amendment and comment that today that Admiral
Stansfield Turner has also endorsed this amendment. I want to thank the
chairman and ranking member for supporting it.
Mr. KUCINICH. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered by the
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Kucinich).
The question was taken; and the Chairman announced that the ayes
appeared to have it.
Mr. KUCINICH. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, further proceedings
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Kucinich) will
be postponed.
It is now in order to consider amendment No. 9 printed in House
Report 108-561.
Amendment No. 9 Offered by Mr. Simmons
Mr. SIMMONS. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
Amendment No. 9 offered by Mr. Simmons:
At the end of title III (page 11, after line 8), insert the
following new section:
SEC. 304. REPORT ON USE OF OPEN SOURCE INTELLIGENCE.
Not later than 6 months after the date of the enactment of
this Act, the Director of Central Intelligence shall submit
to Congress an unclassified report on progress made by the
intelligence community with respect to the use of Open Source
Intelligence (OSINT).
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to House Resolution 686, the gentleman from
Connecticut (Mr. Simmons) and a Member opposed each will control 5
minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons).
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Mr. SIMMONS. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 3 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, I rise today to urge my colleagues to support my
amendment, and I thank the Committee on Rules and the distinguished
chairman of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence for
endorsing this amendment. It is quite simple. It directs the Director
of Central Intelligence to prepare over a 6-month period a report on
the progress of open sources of intelligence.
Open-source intelligence refers to an intelligence discipline based
on information collected from open sources, generally available to the
public.
In the mid-1990s, it was my honor to command the 434th Military
Intelligence Detachment, a U.S. Army reserve unit affiliated with Yale
University and located in New Haven, Connecticut. With the active
participation of Chief Warrant Officer Tompkins and Sergeant Eliot
Jardines, our unit wrote the first handbook for open-source
intelligence for the U.S. Army.
Today, Mr. Jardines has provided me with some interesting photographs
that at first look like highly classified aerial photographs of the
uranium enrichment facility in Iran, and it shows here the enrichment
facility being built; and then in this photograph, it has been covered
with dirt, and you can see a large security or perimeter fence around
it.
A closer look at this aerial image again shows the construction of
the enrichment facility and then how it has been buried in Iran,
presumably to keep it a secret from the rest of the world.
These are not classified. These images were obtained from open
sources; and the beauty of open source in this particular instance, Mr.
Chairman, is that these images can be e-mailed around the country and
around the world for others to look at them and to assist in the
analysis process.
Why is open source so important? It is important because there is a
vast amount of information available in the public sector. It can be
shared. It can be shared with other countries. It can be transported
without concern about classification.
Recently, the Joint Military Intelligence Training Center published
an open-source exploitation guide. A few years previously, the ``Open-
source Quarterly'' published additional information on how we can
enhance our intelligence capabilities with open source, but this May
the U.S. Army distributed FM 2-0 on intelligence, and they left open
source out altogether. That is unfortunate, at a time when our
intelligence performance is being questioned.
At a time when every scrap of information is needed to piece together
the puzzle presented by terrorist operations, there could be no better
time than to incorporate the value of OSINT to our overall intelligence
product and make it available to our policymakers and our military
forces.
I ask my colleagues to join me in supporting this important
amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
The CHAIRMAN. Who seeks time in opposition to the amendment?
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, I do not oppose the amendment, but I will
control the time on this.
The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the gentlewoman
from California?
There was no objection.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume,
and I want the gentleman to know that I support his amendment.
For years the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has extolled
the virtues of open-source reporting, as he calls it, OSINT. Often they
are the most reliable form of intelligence available, as his charts
illustrate. Yet, in spite of this, I believe the intelligence community
has not invested sufficiently in open sources of information, and I am
pleased that this amendment is being offered, and I think it improves
the bill we are debating.
On that subject, Mr. Chairman, let me just return to an earlier
conversation about full funding of counterterrorism. While we have been
spending the last 4 hours on the floor, a letter was received from the
DCI, George Tenet. It was addressed to me and to the gentleman from
Florida (Chairman Goss), and he states in his letter that he is
planning to release it. It is a comment on the majority report language
to the bill, and I just want to quote in part.
He says, this is a letter dated today: ``I find it hard to accept
that any serious observer would believe, as the committee apparently
does, that there is an unhealthy emphasis on counterterrorism and
counterproliferation efforts or that we are placing too much emphasis
supporting the Nation's Iraq effort at the CIA. I am deeply
disappointed at the way the report has chosen to question the
leadership and capabilities of the clandestine service.''
Now, these are the opinions of DCI George Tenet. I would just point
out at this point in the debate that the minority was never consulted
about the majority report. We filed our own report, and I would just
like the record to reflect that these are the reactions of DCI George
Tenet to portions of the majority report.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. SIMMONS. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to my friend and
distinguished colleague, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Kirk), who is
also a naval intelligence officer.
Mr. KIRK. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the Simmons amendment.
Unlike some other amendments in this bill that are offered for partisan
advantage, this amendment is offered by a former CIA officer with
detailed knowledge of how the U.S. intelligence community works. To my
knowledge, there are only three current Members of Congress who work
with the CIA: our chairman, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Goss), the
author of this amendment; the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons);
and me, who is detailed to the CIA from navy intelligence.
This amendment seeks to change our intelligence culture to become
more effective in the age of the Internet. Today, every two-bit terror
organization in the world has a Web site broadcasting information on
its activities. Internet news, political parties, and foreign
government sites all offer new material to our intelligence community.
For years in the cold war, our enemies collected open-source data on
us, but we were forced to collect secret data on them. That is now
changing. There is a wealth of open-source data on our adversaries.
Every analyst in the community should be encouraged to use as much
current and accurate
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open-source data as possible; and I applaud the gentleman, who knows
the CIA so well, for offering this amendment to keep our culture up to
date with the current technology.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, how much time is remaining on our side?
The CHAIRMAN. The gentlewoman from California (Ms. Harman) has 3
minutes remaining. The gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons) has 1
minute remaining.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New
Jersey (Mr. Holt), a member of our committee.
Mr. HOLT. Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of the Simmons
amendment. To set the record straight, there is on this side an alumnus
of the intelligence community. I also used to work in the intelligence
community, and I can assure my colleagues that the agencies make much
less use of the wealth of open-source information than they could.
Open sources mean more than searching the Internet for printed
material or extending the reach of the foreign broadcast information
service. There are now commercial companies with high-quality imagery
from satellites. There is mature technology for using commercial radio
and television broadcasts as illumination sources to passively detect
and track aircraft. These techniques could be used to augment air
surveillance, for example. The Internet, as we are all aware, could be
exploited for many intelligence purposes and so on.
There is much we could do. Last year, I sponsored in this very
authorization bill a provision that required the intelligence community
to report to us on how new approaches of open-source intelligence would
be incorporated into intelligence products. Although that report is, I
am told, in final coordination now, we still have not received it. So I
think it is appropriate to put this language into the bill, not just
report language, so that the intelligence community will make full use
of open-source information.
Mr. Chairman, I commend my colleague once again this evening for his
statement and offer strong support for the Simmons amendment.
Mr. SIMMONS. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from New Jersey for his very
appropriate comments, and I am glad to hear that we share a mutual
interest.
In closing, I would simply like to draw attention to a book called
``The New Craft of Intelligence,'' which focuses on open source. The
distinguished chairman of the Senate committee made the comment in the
preface, ``Secret intelligence alone cannot protect America.''
This amendment is designed to address that issue.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from
Florida (Mr. Goss), the distinguished chairman of the committee.
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Florida is recognized for 30
seconds.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support, and associate myself with
a distinguished member of the Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence who knows his stuff.
All-source intelligence sometimes gets confused with open-source
intelligence. I think it is important to know that a huge percentage of
all-source intelligence is open-source intelligence and is very
valuable in the filters and the proper analysis. So I support the
amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I also want to give notice that I am going to put at
the proper time a statement of the Speaker of the House in the Record
in support of this bill.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I want to reiterate my support for this amendment and
point out one of the ironies, which is that our committee has been
learning much of what it needs to do its oversight from open sources,
rather than from the regular channels. I am glad we have open sources.
Otherwise, we would have very little information. So that is just
another reason why the gentleman's amendment is so useful, and I
strongly support it.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered by the
gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons).
The question was taken; and the Chairman announced that the ayes
appeared to have it.
Mr. SIMMONS. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, further proceedings
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr.
Simmons) will be postponed.
It is now in order to consider amendment No. 10, printed in House
Report 108-561.
Amendment No. 10 Offered by Mr. Reyes
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
Amendment No. 10 offered by Mr. Reyes:
At the end of title III, insert the following new section:
SEC. 304. REQUIREMENT FOR IMMEDIATE SUBMITTAL OF DOCUMENTS
RELATING TO DETAINEES OF THE UNITED STATES.
(a) Withholding of 25 Percent of Funding for Certain
Programs.--25 percent of amounts otherwise available to carry
out the functions or duties under the following programs may
not be obligated or expended until the date on which all of
the documents described in subsection (b) are submitted to
the appropriate congressional committees:
(1) The Central Intelligence Agency Program.
(2) The Army Tactical Intelligence and Related Activities
Program.
(3) The General Defense Intelligence Program.
(4) The Joint Military Intelligence Program.
(b) Documents Described.--The documents referred to in
subsection (a) are all documents, including reports,
correspondence, legal memoranda, and electronic
communications related to the handling and treatment of
detainees under the custody and control of the United States
or individuals held on behalf of the United States in Iraq,
Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and elsewhere.
(c) Appropriate Congressional Committees.--In this section,
the term ``appropriate congressional committees'' means the
following:
(1) The Select Committee on Intelligence, the Committee on
Armed Services, and the Committee on Appropriations of the
Senate.
(2) The Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the
Committee on Armed Services, and the Committee on
Appropriations of the House of Representatives.
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to House Resolution 686, the gentleman from
Texas (Mr. Reyes) and a Member opposed each will control 10 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes).
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment to the Intelligence authorization
bill aimed at getting the full story on the prisoner abuse issue at
places such as Abu Ghraib and Afghanistan.
The abuses of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib were reprehensible; I
think we can all agree on that. Colleagues on both sides of the aisle
have agreed on that, particularly after reviewing the now-infamous
photos behind closed doors that were made available to us on Capitol
Hill.
I am equally disturbed by the indictment of CIA contractor David
Passaro, who allegedly assaulted a detainee at a detention facility in
Afghanistan. This indictment is yet another sobering reminder that the
detainee abuses were not limited to the Abu Ghraib prison.
Make no mistake: interrogations are critical to the war on terrorism.
I know that; I respect that. They are one way of generating dots that
might lead to the intelligence community, providing information on the
next terrorist plot.
But the prisoner abuse issue and the broader issue of our
interrogation policy is one that cries out for stronger congressional
oversight. Congress has got to get that straight and has got to get the
story and understand how interrogations may have gone off track.
Anything short of that would be a breach of faith with the American
public which expects us to conduct vigorous oversight on issues of
importance such as this.
The intelligence community has been trying to get the straight story
on Abu Ghraib. We have had five hearings thus far. But, frankly, the
witnesses that have appeared before our committee have not been very
forthcoming, in my opinion. Nor up until last night has the
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Department of Defense been very forthright with key documents for the
committee, documents that we have requested, including documents from
the Defense Department, which they promised to provide to our
committee.
Our sixth hearing was to be an all-day affair, the majority's chosen
topic that day: the value of interrogations. While that is a legitimate
area of inquiry, it is not what I would call hard-hitting oversight,
nor would it have enhanced our understanding of the events that
occurred at Abu Ghraib.
My amendment would strengthen oversight in the Intelligence
authorization bill. It would hold the executive branch's feet to the
fire by fencing a large sum of money until the committee received all
the documents related to the handling and the treatment of detainees in
Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay, and elsewhere. It is intended to
underscore the seriousness of the prisoner abuse issue and the
committee's determination to get the straight story. It will take the
Department of Defense little time at all to comply with this request
from our committee.
I offered this amendment during the committee's consideration of this
bill. Although the amendment was defeated on straight party lines, I am
pleased to report that yesterday the Department of Defense finally,
finally, sent over a large batch of documents on interrogation policy.
It included many of the documents that the Permanent Select Committee
on Intelligence was seeking, but not all of them. For example, it did
not include the standard operating procedures for Guantanamo Bay which
Major General Jeff Miller promised the committee; and it did not
include documents related to interrogation policy in Iraq, signed by
Lieutenant General Sanchez.
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Nor does it include Brigadier General Karpinski's December 2003
response to the Red Cross.
This authorization bill needs to be stronger on oversight. We need to
do our job properly. We should not fall for the administration's
selective provision of documents simultaneously released to us and to
the media.
The majority's report language called this amendment a petty action
masquerading as a good gesture. Petty or not, this amendment and other
actions generated pressure that yielded results, which is more than a
few hearings have accomplished to date.
I believe that there is more to the interrogation story, like the
revelation last week that Secretary Rumsfeld ghosted a detainee at the
request of CIA Director Tenet in direct conflict of testimony presented
to our Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
For this and many other reasons that we have well documented, I urge
my colleagues to support this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I seek time in opposition.
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Florida (Mr. Goss) is recognized for
10 minutes.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
This particular amendment was given very careful consideration in the
committee, and it was voted down. We will have some reasons, and I am
going to yield in a few minutes to the gentleman from Nevada (Mr.
Gibbons), not yet, to explain some of them, as the chairman of our
Subcommittee on Human Intelligence, Analysis, and Counterintelligence.
But I think its it is important to note that our committee has really
led, I think, very responsibly in the area of oversight. We have had, I
believe it is five hearings now; we have something like close to 7,000
pages in seven or eight different categories. We are getting full
cooperation. I do not understand exactly why it is there is a feeling
that we need to go forward and shut down the money to the people who
are carrying the war on terrorism because we feel they we are not
getting enough cooperation. If we got much more cooperation, I would
not have any staff available to prepare this bill, we have so many
documents to work with. So there is no question that the oversight is
being done.
I think to say this was a petty gesture posing as a grand gesture or
whatever the language was is not off-base. It is unnecessary. I think
we hashed this out in our committee, and I am sorry it has come back
again. We are doing our job.
Now, before I yield to the gentleman from Nevada (Mr. Gibbons), I do
need to point out that, indeed, I just received the mail, my mail
apparently does not come in quite as rapidly, but I too got the letter
from Director Tenet; and it appears that Director Tenet is also having
a problem with his mail, because he is referring here to language in a
draft that is no longer relevant in making a complaint about language
that does not exist.
It is true that in our report, and I will be happy to read on page 23
the offending language. The offending language is this: ``The CIA must
collect against all types of targets needed to gain the insights and
the plans and intentions of our adversaries, be they terrorists,
political, economic, military in nature. Countering the threat from
terrorism is, of course, and should be at the top of the CIA's list of
collection priorities, but the Central Intelligence Agency must
continue to be much more than just a ``central counterterrorism
agency'' if America is to be truly secure, prosperous, and free.
I do not think anybody disagrees with that. We have weapons of
proliferation, we have counternarcotics efforts, we have racketeering,
things going on. What we are saying here is what every member of the
committee knows, that we have insufficiency of capability in the
intelligence community to do all the tasks we need to protect America
from all of the threats that are out there. And I quite agree that that
is a matter that we have all expressed concern on, and that is what we
have done.
I think for the Director to come back and suggest that there is an
unhealthy emphasis on counterterrorism is a stretch; and I think he has
had bad staff work, and I hope he takes care of it.
The second thing I would point out in the same letter is something
that we have reported on today, and I am quoting: ``The damage done by
inattention to the clandestine service during the first half of the
1990s cannot be repaired in the blink of an eye.''
We all know that. We all know we have an insufficiency problem, and
we all understand that we have a threat that is serious and that we are
trying to deal with it, and this bill builds back capability to deal
with it.
Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman
from Nevada (Mr. Gibbons).
Mr. GIBBONS. Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman for yielding me this
time.
I rise in strong opposition to the amendment of my good friend, the
gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes), not only for what it says, but for
what it does as well.
This amendment would withhold funding to the men and women of the
intelligence community at the very time when they are engaged in the
global war on terror. Let us be clear, Mr. Chairman, about what this
amendment really does. They say it fences, but it really cuts, and I
will explain that in a minute, it cuts vital intelligence funding. This
is not just another innocuous document request.
This amendment cuts 25 percent of the funding going to our most
critical intelligence program until Congress receives all of the
documents relating to detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay,
and elsewhere. The amendment does not name which documents; it just
says all of the documents. That is as open-ended a question as any
request could be, and I dare say that it would be impossible to ever
satisfy that request.
What is really happening here is an attempt to play politics with
intelligence funding at a time when we are at war. It is stunning to me
to see this sort of thing happening. It is not right, and it should not
happen. We should not be cutting off the funds for these agencies.
This is not the time to play politics or to be withholding
intelligence funding. The ranking member says she is for more
intelligence funding, and I believe that; yet she and her colleagues
supported this measure in committee. It seems to me that if they were
serious about the funding of the war on terrorism, they would not be
offering this amendment.
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American intelligence collectors and soldiers are under constant fire
in Iraq, Afghanistan, and yes, elsewhere; and American civilians are
being kidnapped and beheaded in gruesome videotaped ceremonies, and all
the while this is happening, the opposition wants to withhold
intelligence funding.
Mr. Chairman, the idea that someone is trying to hide documents from
Congress or that the administration is stonewalling and is not
providing the documents is foolishness. The committee has received
excellent cooperation to date from the Defense Department and the CIA.
This is just petty politics masquerading, as they say, as a grand
gesture.
Here are the facts: earlier this month, the committee made an
official request to Secretary Rumsfeld for the documents. That request,
which was signed by both the HPSCI chairman and ranking member, is
being honored. We have received thousands upon thousands of pages of
documents, including the Miller report, the Ryder report, the Taguba
report, and the Army's official interrogation manual.
Just yesterday, we received hundreds of pages of documents that
included Presidential memos on al Qaeda and Taliban detainees, and
internal DOD memoranda and Justice Department legal documents. We are
getting the documents as fast as they can be gathered and forwarded to
us.
The committee has held five, yes, five full committee meetings thus
far on the detainee hearing. Our sixth hearing, the most substantial we
have planned for to date, was scheduled for the same day as the Reagan
funeral, so we had to reschedule it for July 13, 2004. But that hearing
is going forward and will be an all-day affair, with three separate
panels and some very senior people to talk to us about the detainee
policy and procedures.
Mr. Chairman, we are getting the documents we requested. Let me also
add that, as I said before, we have had a total of 63 different
hearings on this between the Senate and the House on this issue. I
think we are getting excellent cooperation. If we ask much more of
these people on this issue, they will not be able to fight the war on
terrorism; they will have to be here defending their position on this
issue day in and day out.
This amendment is unnecessary, and it would only hurt the brave men
and women who are out there trying to protect us.
Mr. Chairman, I ask all Members to oppose this amendment.
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I would remind my colleague that we have provided a specific list of
documents that we required that have not been complied with. And as to
giving them to us as quickly as they possibly can, how long does it
take to have somebody copy the interrogation procedures of Guantanamo
Bay and provide them to the committee? It takes at the most maybe a
day, so they have not been forthcoming.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. REYES. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, what is the list the gentleman is referring
to? The letter that the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Harman) and I
have written we have had response to, and we are getting more response.
What list is the gentleman referring to, may I ask?
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, we have a comprehensive list of documents
that have been put together. I will be glad to furnish it to the
chairman.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman will yield, is this a list
that the committee has taken action on that has not been responded to?
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, this was a list that we compiled of
documents that were promised to us through the hearing process.
Mr. GOSS. May I ask who compiled the list? Who signed this request?
Mr. REYES. It was signed by the committee staff based on questions
that we had and documents that had been provided.
If I may reclaim my time, Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the
gentleman from Washington (Mr. Dicks), my good friend and colleague and
the former ranking member of this committee.
Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, first of all, I want to rise in support of
the Reyes amendment. I wanted to go back to the Rogers amendment just
for a second, and I wanted to compliment the ranking member for
opposing it.
Mr. Chairman, I served on the committee from 1990 to 1998. There was
an understanding at the end of the Cold War, this was during the first
Bush administration, that we were going to cut Defense by about 30
percent, 33 percent, but intelligence would be protected and held at
about a 10 percent cut. It was believed that everything within this
Defense budget should be reduced at that point in time.
So this was the policy laid down by Dick Cheney and Colin Powell.
This created the base for us, and when the new administration came into
office in 1993, Jim Woolsey was the head of the CIA, and he felt that
they had to make some contribution. But we protected Intelligence. We
protected it at the time.
So the gentleman's information, the gentleman from Michigan's
information, here is inaccurate; and I think it is too bad, really,
that this is in these findings, because we all want to support the
intelligence community tonight. But I could not support these findings.
I could not ask one single Member of the Democratic Party to support
these findings, because they are inaccurate. They are not correct, and
they are distorted. Also, I thought we had a rule around here that we
are not supposed to disclose intelligence information. I guess
percentages do not count, but saying that the budget was cut a certain
percentage, I think, is a mistake, and to acknowledge that publicly is
a mistake.
So I just wanted to stand up here tonight and say this: the Reyes
amendment is about not getting to the bottom of this. I remember when
my good friend, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Goss), and I were on
the committee together. We had every investigation imaginable into the
Clinton administration. One could not think up something that we did
not investigate. We went along with that, because we felt that doing
the investigations was the right thing.
Now, on this one, guys, if we do not get to the bottom of this
Guantanamo Bay and Iraqi prison thing, and if we do not insist that we
get the information, I will be up here with a resolution of inquiry to
demand that these Departments disclose this information.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. DICKS. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I thank my distinguished friend and colleague
for yielding. I guarantee, if the gentleman came up and took a look at
the record of what we are doing, have done and are continuing to do,
you would be proud that the committee is doing oversight properly.
Now, I would also like, if the gentleman will allow me, to quote from
the Director of Central Intelligence a letter.
Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I want to take back my time. The gentleman
has time on his own now, and he can use his own time.
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman's time has expired. The gentleman from
Texas (Mr. Reyes) has 1 minute remaining and the gentleman from Florida
(Mr. Goss) has 1\1/2\ minutes remaining.
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, who has the right to close?
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Florida has the right to close.
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, I yield 45 seconds to the gentlewoman from
California (Ms. Harman), the distinguished ranking member.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time. I strongly support his amendment. I supported it in committee; I
support it now.
We have not had full cooperation from the administration. We have not
had candid testimony from witnesses. I would not say that this is a
petty gesture. I think it is a profound gesture to insist that the
oversight prerogative of our committee be respected and that the rule
of law always apply to the interrogation of prisoners.
{time} 2015
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, in closing I would like to remind our
colleagues that Members on both sides of the aisle were exasperated
many, many times
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because if we did not ask the right question or just the exact
question, we were not provided the information that was requested.
Secondly, how many times have we held hearings and the day or weekend
later we open up the newspaper and there is a conflicting story in
there about information that we had been provided in the meeting.
So it is about our responsibility to do our oversight, it is about
our responsibility to do this job right. I urge all Members to support
this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back my time.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I want to respond just to my good friend the
gentleman from Washington (Mr. Dicks) by giving you a statement that we
just received from the Director of Central Intelligence. I just saw it.
I read it a minute ago. ``The damage done by inattention to the
clandestine service during the first half of the 1990s cannot be
repaired in the blink of an eye. It was severe.''
Now, the problem is you want it both ways. You said it was protected.
Actually, the administration did a pretty good job of trying to protect
the administration. It was the democratically controlled Congress that
cut the budget as we have pointed out earlier in this debate.
I will not defend or get involved in the Rogers amendment right now
because we are talking about another amendment. But I will hold this up
because this is why the problem exists. The promise was broken.
I quote, ``Now that that struggle, the Cold War, is over, why is it
that our vast intelligence apparatus continues to grow?'' Now, that
kind of statement just before no votes on supporting the intelligence
community happens to have been made by such distinguished Members of
the Congress as Senator John Kerry. That was in May of 1997 from the
Record. I got books full of that stuff. There is no doubt where the
Record is. The Democratic party did not support the intelligence
community.
If I said anything incorrect, I would be very happy to allow my
colleague the opportunity on some other time to correct it, because he
did not allow me to correct that.
But I will say that I think that we have covered the point that the
gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes) has asked. Is the letter that he is
referring to is the letter that was signed only by minority Members? Is
that the letter my colleague is referring to?
Preferential Motion Offered by Mr. Dicks
Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I offer a preferential motion.
The Clerk read as follows:
Mr. Dicks moves that the Committee do now rise and report
the bill back to the House with the recommendation that the
enacting clause be stricken.
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Washington is recognized for 5
minutes in support of his preferential motion.
Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I want to take very strong exception to what
the chairman of this committee, who I consider to be a personal friend,
said to attack the Democrats in this House. And I was the ranking
member of this committee for 4 years from 1994 to 1998. And we had
bipartisan support for intelligence. And I think this is wrong to try
to go back now and say after the Cold War was over, and there were some
efforts, and it was first by the Bush administration, to reduce the
money for defense. I mean, Dick Cheney was one of the biggest budget
hawks and cutters on defense. He cut the B-2, he tried to get rid of
the V-22, the F-15, F-16. One can go right down the list.
Colin Powell was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. They had what they
called the base force which was one-third less than the size of the
existing force. And as part of this downsizing, the intelligence
community was cut by 10 percent.
That was the policy of the first Bush administration that was
inherited by the Clinton administration. And I must say during the
years that I was on the committee under Dan Glickman as chairman and
Larry Combest and the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Goss) as chairman, we
were able to work on a bipartisan basis. And we supported intelligence.
Now, we did not throw money at it. We tried to make sure that we
invested wisely. We had to modernize all of our national technical
means. But this was done on a bipartisan basis.
I am very sorry to see this breakdown this year, for the first time
to see the partisanship enter into this. Because I do not think it is
in the best interest of our Congress or our national security, and
especially at a time when we are in a war-time situation. But to attack
the Democrats, I say to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Goss), I think
is uncalled for.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. DICKS. I yield to the gentlewoman from California.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, I commend his service to the Congress and
to the other body when we were both staffers. And I share his heat. I
was standing on this floor just half an hour ago or so saying we all
got it wrong. Mentioning the fact that starting in the first Bush
administration and continuing in the early part of the Clinton
administration, unfortunately, we disinvested in some critical parts of
our intelligence and defense because we thought the world was safer.
And to see the chairman of this committee, my friend, the gentleman
from Florida (Mr. Goss), distort the record on the floor of the House
is really surprising to me, stunning to me. I do not believe we on this
side have done that. I think we have fairly shared across many
administrations the mistakes that were made.
As my colleague from Florida has pointed out many times, Mr.
Chairman, what changed at 9/11 was the audience. Then, finally, there
was the political will to act in ways that many of us on a bipartisan
basis thought were the correct ways way before 9/11. I commend the
gentleman from Florida for thinking they were correct before 9/11. But,
sadly, four hours of debate is reaching a very sorry end here.
The facts are the facts. The record should be accurate. And we on
this side are trying to create an accurate record. And one of the
things we have been urging is full funding of counterintelligence in
this budget and that counterintelligence, the facts will show, is not
fully funded.
Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I have to use the time. Again, I just want
to say that during the time I was on the committee, we tried to do the
best we could for the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and
the intelligence community, we supported it. I am very proud of the
record that was achieved, was done on a bipartisan basis. I hope we can
go back to that.
I know it is painful when your person is in the White House and you
have to defend the administration and you want to fend off all these
investigations, I can just tell my colleague this, we investigated
everything under the sun when Bill Clinton was at the White House
because the majority party insisted on it. Now, when it is their person
as President of the United States, they are not so excited about
investigations and getting all this information. But I think it is
important for the American people that we do get the information, that
we do find out about these detainees, and that we do get in information
in a timely way.
If they are going to stonewall, then we will have to use other
tactics like a resolution of inquiry to get the information from the
Department of Defense.
The CHAIRMAN. Does any Member claim time in opposition to the motion?
The gentleman from Florida (Mr. Goss) is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I did not make any comment or hold up this
quote from the Congressional Record that indicates that Senator Kerry
had doubts about intelligence to be combative or confrontational or to
be insensitive or to in any way offend my colleagues on the other side.
Obviously, people like the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Dicks) have
done a fabulous job over the years on a bipartisan basis. When he was
in the majority he did that, and I am certain to say that. My comment
is that when there was opposition to intelligence and year after year
efforts to cut the intelligence budget, they did come from the
Democratic side through the period of the 1990s.
I have the material here. I do not want to bore my colleague with it
or embarrass him with it, but vote after vote after vote. If he would
like to see it, come on over. If he wants me to
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read it into the Record, I will read it into the Record, however he
likes.
The fact is that all the people who knew about intelligence worked
together to make it work. And we succeeded. And that was a good thing.
We did not succeed well enough.
Now, we can argue all day long and say because it was the Democratic
leadership in the House or the Republican leadership in the House or so
forth or because it was President Clinton did not care or did care,
however you are going to characterize it, we could debate that all day
long.
The facts are that the cutting amendments to intelligence came from
the Democratic side of the aisle and were supported over the decade of
the 1990s by large numbers of Democrats. That is all I am trying to
convey.
I thank God for the Democrats who saw the light and supported the
Intelligence Community, as I do now, and I see no reason why we cannot
continue. I was trying to refer, perhaps in a hurried way, to the
Congressional Record. As I say, I am happy to share it. I have no bones
to pick, and I am not trying to create any kind of a firestorm or throw
red meat out to the gentleman from Washington. I do not think this
serves any further purpose. I hope he accepts my explanation.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the preferential motion by the
gentleman from Washington (Mr. Dicks).
The preferential motion was rejected.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered by the
gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes).
The question was taken; and the Chairman announced that the noes
appeared to have it.
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, further proceedings
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes) will
be postponed.
Sequential Votes Postponed In Committee Of The Whole
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, proceedings will
now resume on those amendments on which further proceedings were
postponed, in the following order: Amendment No. 3, as modified,
offered by the gentleman from New York (Mr. Boehlert), amendment No. 4
offered by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Sam Johnson), amendment No. 5
offered by the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Rogers), amendment No. 7
offered by the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Shays), amendment No. 8
offered by the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Kucinich), amendment No. 9
offered by the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons), and amendment
No. 10 offered by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes).
The Chair will reduce to 5 minutes the time for any electronic vote
after the first vote in this series.
Amendment No. 3, As Modified, Offered by Mr. Boehlert
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment, as modified, offered by the gentleman from New York
(Mr. Boehlert) on which further proceedings were postponed and on which
the ayes prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will redesignate the amendment.
The Clerk redesignated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 335,
noes 83, not voting 15, as follows:
[Roll No. 291]
AYES--335
Ackerman
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Andrews
Baca
Bachus
Baird
Baker
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Beauprez
Bell
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (OK)
Carter
Case
Castle
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Clyburn
Coble
Cole
Collins
Cooper
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dicks
Dingell
Dooley (CA)
Doolittle
Doyle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emerson
Engel
English
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Everett
Fattah
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Fossella
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gonzalez
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Goss
Granger
Graves
Green (TX)
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Gutknecht
Hall
Harman
Harris
Hart
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hill
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoeffel
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Hooley (OR)
Hostettler
Houghton
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jefferson
Jenkins
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Kaptur
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lucas (OK)
Majette
Manzullo
Marshall
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCotter
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McIntyre
McKeon
McNulty
Meek (FL)
Menendez
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (KS)
Murphy
Murtha
Musgrave
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Ortiz
Osborne
Ose
Otter
Oxley
Pallone
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reyes
Reynolds
Rodriguez
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Rothman
Royce
Ruppersberger
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sandlin
Saxton
Schiff
Schrock
Scott (GA)
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skelton
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Souder
Spratt
Stearns
Stenholm
Stupak
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Toomey
Turner (OH)
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Upton
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Watson
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Wexler
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Wu
Wynn
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOES--83
Abercrombie
Allen
Baldwin
Becerra
Berkley
Blumenauer
Brown (OH)
Capps
Capuano
Conyers
Costello
Cummings
Davis (IL)
Delahunt
DeLauro
Doggett
Emanuel
Farr
Filner
Frank (MA)
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hinchey
Honda
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
McCollum
McGovern
Meehan
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Rahall
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanders
Schakowsky
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Slaughter
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Woolsey
NOT VOTING--15
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
McDermott
Moran (VA)
Rangel
Tauzin
Weiner
Announcement by the Chairman Pro Tempore
The CHAIRMAN pro tempore (Mr. Kline) (during the vote). Members are
advised they have 2 minutes remaining in this vote.
Announcement by the Chairman
The CHAIRMAN (during the vote). The Chair would advise Members to
check their votes on the voting board to rule out a potential
discrepancy between one of the voting stations and the board.
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{time} 2055
Mrs. MALONEY, Messrs. NADLER, PASTOR, CONYERS, Ms. KILPATRICK, Mrs.
CAPPS, Messrs. JACKSON of Illinois, ALLEN, NEAL of Massachusetts,
MICHAUD, Ms. DeLAURO, Messrs. THOMPSON of California, LYNCH, BROWN of
Ohio, LEVIN, DOGGETT, TOWNS, STRICKLAND, DELAHUNT, LARSON of
Connecticut, MEEHAN, INSLEE, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. RUSH, Mr. WAXMAN, Ms.
ROYBAL-ALLARD, Messrs. VAN HOLLEN, PASCRELL, Ms. SOLIS, Mrs.
NAPOLITANO, Messrs. SCOTT of Virginia, RAHALL, EMANUEL, Ms. MILLENDER-
McDONALD, Ms. BERKELEY, and Messrs. DAVIS of Illinois, KANJORSKI and
KLECZKA changed their vote from ``aye'' to ``no.''
Messrs. SANDLIN, GRAVES, and BAIRD changed their vote from ``no'' to
``aye.''
So the amendment, as modified, was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
Amendment No. 4 Offered by Mr. Sam Johnson of Texas
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Sam Johnson)
on which further proceedings were postponed and on which the ayes
prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will redesignate the amendment.
The Clerk redesignated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The CHAIRMAN. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 366,
noes 51, not voting 16, as follows:
[Roll No. 292]
AYES--366
Ackerman
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Bachus
Baird
Baker
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Beauprez
Becerra
Bell
Berkley
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Capps
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (OK)
Carter
Case
Castle
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Clyburn
Coble
Cole
Collins
Cooper
Costello
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dingell
Dooley (CA)
Doolittle
Doyle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
English
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Everett
Fattah
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Fossella
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gonzalez
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Goss
Granger
Graves
Green (TX)
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Hall
Harman
Harris
Hart
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoeffel
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley (OR)
Hostettler
Houghton
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Inslee
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jefferson
Jenkins
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Kaptur
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lucas (OK)
Lynch
Majette
Manzullo
Marshall
Matheson
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCotter
McCrery
McGovern
McHugh
McInnis
McIntyre
McKeon
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (KS)
Murphy
Murtha
Musgrave
Myrick
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Nethercutt
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Osborne
Ose
Otter
Oxley
Pallone
Pascrell
Paul
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Radanovich
Rahall
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reyes
Reynolds
Rodriguez
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Royce
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Sabo
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Saxton
Schiff
Schrock
Scott (GA)
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherman
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skelton
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Souder
Spratt
Stearns
Stenholm
Strickland
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tanner
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Toomey
Towns
Turner (OH)
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Visclosky
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Waxman
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Wexler
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Wu
Wynn
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOES--51
Abercrombie
Baldwin
Blumenauer
Capuano
Conyers
Cummings
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Doggett
Farr
Filner
Frank (MA)
Grijalva
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCollum
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Nadler
Owens
Pastor
Payne
Schakowsky
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Slaughter
Solis
Stark
Stupak
Tauscher
Thompson (CA)
Tierney
Velazquez
Waters
Watson
Watt
Woolsey
NOT VOTING--16
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
Linder
McDermott
Moran (VA)
Rangel
Tauzin
Weiner
Announcement by the Chairman
The CHAIRMAN (during the vote). Members are advised 2 minutes remain
in this vote.
{time} 2103
Mr. PALLONE changed his vote from ``no'' to ``aye.''
So the amendment was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
Amendment No. 5 Offered by Mr. Rogers of Michigan
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Rogers) on
which further proceedings were postponed and on which the ayes
prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will redesignate the amendment.
The Clerk redesignated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The CHAIRMAN. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 222,
noes 195, not voting 16, as follows:
[Roll No. 293]
AYES--222
Aderholt
Akin
Bachus
Baker
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Beauprez
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Bradley (NH)
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Castle
Chabot
Chocola
Coble
Cole
Collins
Cox
Crane
Crenshaw
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Emerson
English
Everett
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Fossella
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Goode
Goodlatte
Goss
Granger
Graves
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Gutknecht
Hall
Harris
Hart
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hostettler
Houghton
Hulshof
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Hunter
Hyde
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline
Knollenberg
LaHood
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
LoBiondo
Lucas (OK)
Manzullo
McCotter
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McKeon
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Moran (KS)
Murphy
Musgrave
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Osborne
Ose
Otter
Oxley
Paul
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reynolds
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Saxton
Schrock
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stearns
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Toomey
Turner (OH)
Upton
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOES--195
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Alexander
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Becerra
Bell
Berkley
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (OK)
Case
Chandler
Clyburn
Conyers
Cooper
Costello
Cramer
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dooley (CA)
Doyle
Edwards
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frost
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green (TX)
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Harman
Herseth
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hoeffel
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley (OR)
Hoyer
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
John
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
Kleczka
Kucinich
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lynch
Majette
Maloney
Markey
Marshall
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McGovern
McIntyre
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Reyes
Rodriguez
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
NOT VOTING--16
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
Kolbe
McDermott
Moran (VA)
Rangel
Tauzin
Weiner
Announcement by the Chairman
The CHAIRMAN (during the vote). Members are advised 2 minutes remain
in this vote.
{time} 2110
Mr. WEXLER changed his vote from ``aye to ``no.''
So the amendment was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
Stated against:
Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, on rollcall No. 293, I was
unavoidably detained off the Hill. Had I been present, I would have
voted ``no.''
Amendment No. 7 Offered by Mr. Shays
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Shays)
on which further proceedings were postponed and on which the ayes
prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will redesignate the amendment.
The Clerk redesignated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The CHAIRMAN. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 419,
noes 0, not voting 14, as follows:
[Roll No. 294]
AYES--419
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Bachus
Baird
Baker
Baldwin
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Beauprez
Becerra
Bell
Berkley
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blumenauer
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (OK)
Carter
Case
Castle
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Clyburn
Coble
Cole
Collins
Conyers
Cooper
Costello
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Culberson
Cummings
Cunningham
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dooley (CA)
Doolittle
Doyle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
English
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Everett
Farr
Fattah
Feeney
Ferguson
Filner
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Fossella
Frank (MA)
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gonzalez
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Goss
Granger
Graves
Green (TX)
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Hall
Harman
Harris
Hart
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoeffel
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley (OR)
Hostettler
Houghton
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Inslee
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Jenkins
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kleczka
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
Kucinich
LaHood
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lee
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lucas (OK)
Lynch
Majette
Maloney
Manzullo
Markey
Marshall
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McCotter
McCrery
McGovern
McHugh
McInnis
McIntyre
McKeon
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Mica
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (KS)
Moran (VA)
Murphy
Murtha
Musgrave
Myrick
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Nethercutt
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Osborne
Ose
Otter
Owens
Oxley
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Radanovich
Rahall
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reyes
Reynolds
Rodriguez
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Royce
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Sabo
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Saxton
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schrock
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherman
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Souder
Spratt
Stark
Stearns
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tanner
Tauscher
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Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Tierney
Toomey
Towns
Turner (OH)
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Wexler
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOT VOTING--14
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
McDermott
Rangel
Tauzin
Weiner
Announcement by the Chairman
The CHAIRMAN (during the vote). Members are advised 2 minutes remain
in this vote.
{time} 2116
So the amendment was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
Amendment No. 8 Offered by Mr. Kucinich
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Kucinich) on
which further proceedings were postponed and on which the ayes
prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will redesignate the amendment.
The Clerk redesignated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The CHAIRMAN. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 343,
noes 76, not voting 14, as follows:
[Roll No. 295]
AYES--343
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Alexander
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Bachus
Baldwin
Bartlett (MD)
Bass
Beauprez
Becerra
Bell
Berkley
Berry
Biggert
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boehlert
Bono
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Capito
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (OK)
Case
Castle
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Clyburn
Coble
Cole
Conyers
Cooper
Costello
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Cummings
Cunningham
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dooley (CA)
Doyle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
English
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Ferguson
Filner
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gallegly
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gonzalez
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Goss
Graves
Green (TX)
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Hall
Harman
Harris
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Herseth
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoeffel
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley (OR)
Hoyer
Hulshof
Inslee
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (NC)
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Keller
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
King (IA)
Kirk
Kleczka
Kline
Kolbe
Kucinich
LaHood
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lee
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lynch
Majette
Maloney
Manzullo
Markey
Marshall
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McCotter
McGovern
McHugh
McInnis
McIntyre
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (FL)
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (KS)
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Myrick
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Nethercutt
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Osborne
Ose
Otter
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Quinn
Rahall
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reyes
Reynolds
Rodriguez
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Royce
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Saxton
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sessions
Shays
Sherman
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Stearns
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Terry
Thomas
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Tierney
Toomey
Towns
Turner (OH)
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Wexler
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wolf
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOES--76
Aderholt
Akin
Baird
Baker
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Barton (TX)
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Boozman
Brady (TX)
Burgess
Cannon
Cantor
Carter
Collins
Culberson
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Everett
Feeney
Flake
Fossella
Franks (AZ)
Garrett (NJ)
Granger
Hart
Hastings (WA)
Hensarling
Herger
Hostettler
Houghton
Hunter
Hyde
Jenkins
Johnson, Sam
Kelly
King (NY)
Kingston
Knollenberg
Lewis (KY)
Lucas (OK)
McCrery
McKeon
Mica
Miller (MI)
Murphy
Musgrave
Neugebauer
Oxley
Petri
Putnam
Radanovich
Rogers (AL)
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Schrock
Sensenbrenner
Shadegg
Shaw
Sherwood
Souder
Tancredo
Taylor (NC)
Thornberry
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
NOT VOTING--14
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
McDermott
Rangel
Tauzin
Weiner
Announcement by the Chairman
The CHAIRMAN (during the vote). Members are advised that 2 minutes
remain in this vote.
{time} 2123
So the amendment was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
Amendment No. 9 Offered by Mr. Simmons
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr.
Simmons) on which further proceedings were postponed and on which the
ayes prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will redesignate the amendment.
The Clerk redesignated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The CHAIRMAN. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 417,
noes 1, not voting 15, as follows:
[Roll No. 296]
AYES--417
Ackerman
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Bachus
Baird
Baker
Baldwin
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Beauprez
Becerra
Bell
Berkley
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blumenauer
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (OK)
Carter
Case
Castle
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Clyburn
Coble
Cole
Collins
Conyers
Cooper
Costello
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Culberson
Cummings
Cunningham
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dooley (CA)
Doolittle
Doyle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
English
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Everett
Farr
[[Page H4875]]
Fattah
Feeney
Ferguson
Filner
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Fossella
Frank (MA)
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gonzalez
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Goss
Granger
Graves
Green (TX)
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Hall
Harman
Harris
Hart
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoeffel
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley (OR)
Hostettler
Houghton
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Inslee
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Jenkins
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kleczka
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
Kucinich
LaHood
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lee
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lucas (OK)
Lynch
Majette
Maloney
Manzullo
Markey
Marshall
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McCotter
McCrery
McGovern
McHugh
McInnis
McIntyre
McKeon
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Mica
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (KS)
Moran (VA)
Murphy
Murtha
Musgrave
Myrick
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Nethercutt
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Osborne
Ose
Otter
Owens
Oxley
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Radanovich
Rahall
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reyes
Reynolds
Rodriguez
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Royce
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Sabo
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Saxton
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schrock
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherman
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Souder
Spratt
Stark
Stearns
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Thomas
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Tierney
Toomey
Towns
Turner (OH)
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Wexler
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOES--1
Abercrombie
NOT VOTING--15
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
McDermott
Rangel
Tauzin
Terry
Weiner
Announcement by the Chairman
The CHAIRMAN (during the vote). Members are advised that 2 minutes
remain in this vote.
{time} 2130
So the amendment was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
Amendment No. 10 Offered by Mr. Reyes
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes) on
which further proceedings were postponed and on which the noes
prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will redesignate the amendment.
The Clerk redesignated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The CHAIRMAN. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 149,
noes 270, not voting 14, as follows:
[Roll No. 297]
AYES--149
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baldwin
Becerra
Bell
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Blumenauer
Brady (PA)
Brown, Corrine
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Clyburn
Conyers
Cramer
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dooley (CA)
Doyle
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Gonzalez
Green (TX)
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Harman
Hinojosa
Hoeffel
Holt
Honda
Hooley (OR)
Hoyer
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lynch
Majette
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McGovern
McIntyre
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moran (VA)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Otter
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Rahall
Reyes
Rodriguez
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Solis
Stark
Stupak
Tauscher
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Wexler
Wilson (NM)
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
NOES--270
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Bachus
Baird
Baker
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Beauprez
Berkley
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (TX)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Carson (OK)
Carter
Case
Castle
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Coble
Cole
Collins
Cooper
Costello
Cox
Crane
Crenshaw
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emerson
English
Etheridge
Everett
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Fossella
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Goss
Granger
Graves
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Gutknecht
Hall
Harris
Hart
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hill
Hinchey
Hobson
Hoekstra
Holden
Hostettler
Houghton
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Inslee
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Kanjorski
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lucas (OK)
Manzullo
Marshall
Matheson
McCarthy (NY)
McCotter
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McKeon
McNulty
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Moore
Moran (KS)
Murphy
Murtha
Musgrave
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Osborne
Ose
Oxley
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reynolds
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Royce
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Saxton
Schrock
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Snyder
Souder
Spratt
Stearns
Stenholm
Strickland
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tanner
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Toomey
Turner (OH)
Upton
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
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Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOT VOTING--14
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
McDermott
Rangel
Tauzin
Weiner
Announcement by the Chairman
The CHAIRMAN (during the vote). Members are advised 2 minutes remain
in this vote.
{time} 2137
So the amendment was rejected.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The CHAIRMAN. There being no other amendments, the question is on the
committee amendment in the nature of a substitute, as amended.
The committee amendment in the nature of a substitute, as amended,
was agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN. Under the rule, the Committee rises.
Accordingly, the Committee rose; and the Speaker pro tempore (Mr.
Isakson) having assumed the chair, Mr. Simpson, Chairman of the
Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union, reported that
that Committee, having had under consideration the bill (H.R. 4548) to
authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2005 for intelligence and
intelligence-related activities of the United States Government, the
Community Management Account, and the Central Intelligence Agency
Retirement and Disability System, and for other purposes, pursuant to
House Resolution 686, he reported the bill back to the House with an
amendment adopted by the Committee of the Whole.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the rule, the previous question is
ordered.
Is a separate vote demanded on any amendment to the committee
amendment in the nature of a substitute adopted by the committee of the
whole?
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Speaker, I demand a revote on the Sam Johnson of
Texas amendment.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is a separate vote demanded on any other
amendment?
Parliamentary Inquiry
Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary
inquiry.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his parliamentary
inquiry.
Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas. Mr. Speaker, even though our soldiers have
been indicted and the President has released all his records, I would
like to know if we can compare the votes of those who voted for against
those who voted against.
Point of Order
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, point of order.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will suspend.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Sam Johnson).
Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas. Mr. Speaker, even though the President has
released all his records, I would like to ask, would we be able to
compare the votes of those who voted for and those who vote against
now?
Point of Order
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair could not hear due to another
inquiry being made from the Chair's right. The gentleman from Texas may
state a parliamentary inquiry.
Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas. Mr. Speaker, can we take a look and compare
the votes of those who voted for the amendment the first time against
those who voted for the amendment the second time?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Members may take their own cognizance of
such matters.
The gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Frank) is recognized on his
point of order.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I withdraw the point of
order, because the point of order no longer lies, the phraseology
having been withdrawn.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will redesignate the amendment on
which a separate vote has been demanded.
The Clerk redesignated the amendment.
The text of the amendment is as follows:
Amendment:
At the end of title III (page 11, after line 8), insert the
following new section:
SEC. 304. SENSE OF CONGRESS THAT THE APPREHENSION, DETENTION,
AND INTERROGATION OF TERRORISTS ARE FUNDAMENTAL
TO THE SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTION OF THE GLOBAL WAR
ON TERROR.
(a) Findings.--The Congress finds the following:
(1) Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, the people of the
United States were too often brutalized again and again by
deadly terrorist violence, as evidenced by the hundreds of
American deaths in the Beirut and Lockerbie bombings, the
attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, the destruction of
the Khobar Towers military barracks, the bombing of the
American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the vicious
attacks on the USS Cole in 2000.
(2) The terrorist violence targeted against the United
States became more emboldened after each attack, culminating
in the deadly attacks on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon on September 11, 2001, which killed thousands of
innocent Americans, including innocent women and children.
(3) Since September 11, 2001, the citizens of the United
States have remained the priority target of terrorist
violence, with journalists and employees of non-governmental
organizations being held hostage, tortured, and decapitated
in the name of terror.
(4) Congress has authorized the President to use all
necessary and appropriate means to defeat terrorism; and on
numerous occasions since September 11, 2001, and throughout
the Global War on Terror, the interrogation of detainees has
yielded valuable intelligence that has saved the lives of
American military personnel and American citizens at home and
abroad.
(5) The interrogation of detainees has also provided highly
valuable insights into the structure of terrorist
organizations, their target selection process, and the
identities of key operational and logistical personnel that
were previously unknown to the Intelligence Community.
(6) The lawful interrogation of detainees is consistent
with the United States Constitution.
(7) The abuses against detainees documented at Abu Ghraib
prison in Iraq were deplorable aberrations that were not part
of United States policy and were not in keeping with the
finest traditions of the United States military and the
honorable men and women who serve.
(8) The loss of interrogation-derived information would
have a disastrous effect on the Nation's intelligence
collection and counterterrorism efforts and would constitute
a damaging reversal in the Global War on Terror during this
critical time.
(9) The apprehension, detention, and interrogation of
terrorists are essential elements to successfully waging the
Global War on Terror.
(10) The interrogation of detainees can and should continue
by the United States within the bounds of the United States
Constitution and the laws of the United States of America.
(b) Sense of Congress.--It is the sense of Congress that
the apprehension, detention, and interrogation of terrorists
are fundamental to the successful prosecution of the Global
War on Terror.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the amendment.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Recorded Vote
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon).
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to make
this a 5-minute vote.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair cannot entertain that request.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 304,
noes 116, not voting 14, as follows:
[Roll No. 298]
AYES--304
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Andrews
Baca
Bachus
Baird
Baker
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Beauprez
Bell
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (OK)
Carter
Case
Castle
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Coble
Cole
Collins
Cooper
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dooley (CA)
Doolittle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emerson
Engel
English
[[Page H4877]]
Etheridge
Everett
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gonzalez
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Goss
Granger
Graves
Green (TX)
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Gutknecht
Hall
Harris
Hart
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hill
Hobson
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Hooley (OR)
Hostettler
Houghton
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Lampson
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
LoBiondo
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lucas (OK)
Lynch
Manzullo
Marshall
Matheson
McCarthy (NY)
McCotter
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McIntyre
McKeon
McNulty
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Moore
Moran (KS)
Murphy
Musgrave
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Ortiz
Osborne
Ose
Otter
Oxley
Pallone
Pascrell
Paul
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reyes
Reynolds
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Rothman
Royce
Ruppersberger
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Sanchez, Loretta
Sandlin
Saxton
Schiff
Schrock
Scott (GA)
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherman
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skelton
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Souder
Spratt
Stearns
Stenholm
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tanner
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Toomey
Turner (OH)
Turner (TX)
Upton
Van Hollen
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Wexler
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Wu
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOES--116
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Baldwin
Becerra
Berkley
Blumenauer
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Capps
Capuano
Clyburn
Conyers
Costello
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (IL)
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Emanuel
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Harman
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hoeffel
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
Langevin
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Majette
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McGovern
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Rahall
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanders
Schakowsky
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Slaughter
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Tauscher
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Woolsey
Wynn
NOT VOTING--14
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Fossella
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
McDermott
Rangel
Tauzin
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Isakson) (during the vote). Members are
advised there are 2 minutes remaining in this vote.
{time} 2157
Mr. NEY changed his vote from ``no'' to ``aye.''
So the amendment was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the committee amendment
in the nature of a substitute, as amended.
The committee amendment in the nature of a substitute, as amended,
was agreed to.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the engrossment and third
reading of the bill.
The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, and was
read the third time.
Motion to Recommit Offered by Mr. Peterson of Minnesota
Mr. PETERSON of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion to recommit.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is the gentleman opposed to the bill?
Mr. PETERSON of Minnesota. I am, in its present form.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the motion to
recommit.
The Clerk read as follows:
Mr. Peterson of Minnesota moves to recommit the bill H.R.
4548 to the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence with
instructions to report the same back to the House forthwith
with the following amendment:
At the end of title I (page 8, after line 4), insert the
following new section:
SEC. 105. INCREASE IN AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS TO
FULLY FUND THE NATIONAL FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE
PROGRAM.
(a) Increase.--The amounts authorized to be appropriated
under section 101 for the conduct of the intelligence and
intelligence-related activities of the elements listed in
such section for the Contingency Emergency Reserve, as
specified in the classified Schedule of Authorizations
referred to in section 102, are increased 100 percent, and
such classified Schedule of Authorizations is modified
accordingly.
(b) Use for Counterterrorism Activities of the Intelligence
Community.--Amounts appropriated pursuant to the increase in
authorization of appropriations under subsection (a) may only
be used for counterterrorism activities of the intelligence
community.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from
Minnesota (Mr. Peterson) is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. PETERSON of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 seconds to the
gentlewoman from California (Ms. Harman), the ranking member of the
committee.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for yielding me this
time.
I want to explain to this House my request for a re-vote on the
Johnson of Texas amendment. Like the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Sam
Johnson), I believe that interrogations within the rule of law are
essential to protect American lives. However, clause 7 of his
amendment, upon rereading, I think was a bit difficult for many of us.
It says, ``the abuses were not part of United States policy,'' and I
think that statement is premature until we review all of the documents
and get additional testimony on the matter. That is why I requested
another vote.
Mr. PETERSON of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I
may consume.
The motion to recommit includes the 100 percent funding for
counterterrorism that we have talked about on this floor probably more
than some of my colleagues want to hear about. But we are very
concerned about this, and we are offering that again in this motion to
recommit.
I want everybody to be clear what is happening here. We kind of put
the cart before the horse. Yesterday we passed the Defense
appropriation bill, which had the money in it for these items. Today we
are doing the authorization. This is not the way we should be doing
things. We have the cart before the horse, if you will.
One of the reasons that we are doing this on this side is because we
were not really in the loop on these negotiations that took place where
they made the deal between the different committees to come up with
these amounts. The staff was involved in some of the discussions, but
the members were not. We did not get the final thing until about a day
before the markup, and during this process, our staff had told the
other side that we wanted 100 percent funding for counterterrorism, and
it was not in the bill, so we offered this amendment.
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And that is the spirit of what we are trying to accomplish here. And
folks need to understand that the agencies have come in and asked us
for a certain amount of money for counterterrorism. And what is in this
bill is about one-third of what was asked for.
Now, to go through the list, for example, there is only 5 percent in
this bill for the NRO, 19 percent for NSA, 26 percent for NGA, and 35
percent for the
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CIA. So they put the most money into the CIA, but in this bill, it is
11.1 percent less money in 2005 for the CIA than it was in 2004. So
that is what is in this bill.
Now, obviously, everybody is going to know we are going to have a
supplemental to try to plus that up. But the problem is that these
agencies only have the money for the first 3 or 4 months, and we are
not going to get that supplemental done until later. And there is going
to be a gap. And that is a problem. Because the folks in the country
expect us to be focused on terrorism, to put our emphasis on
counterterrorism. And we do not think this bill gets us to where it
needs to be.
We do not want to be in this position. We try to work these things
out. But, frankly, we did not have the opportunity to work it out the
way it happened through the committee process. So we are here this
evening, asking your support to fund what the agencies say they need so
we have 100 percent of the money available for counterterrorism to do
what needs to be done to protect the people of this country.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Iowa (Mr.
Boswell) who has worked with me on this amendment.
(Mr. BOSWELL asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. BOSWELL. Mr. Speaker, it has been an interesting process. I look
over there at people I have a lot of confidence in, the gentleman from
Illinois (Mr. LaHood) and the gentleman from California (Mr.
Cunningham) and many others, and the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Goss).
There are things that we have said that we really have wanted to do
over this process was to plus up the money for counterterrorism, simple
as that.
I say to the chairman, I really thought that would go. I realize he
did not have a lot of warning, but I did not think it took a lot to do.
When we went to the Committee on Rules yesterday, and we made our
presentation there, I said clearly, and the ranking member agreed, I
did not care who got the name on this thing. It did not make any
difference. If the chairman of the Committee on Rules wanted it, we did
not care. But we thought for the good of the country we needed to plus-
up the counterterrorism.
Because the threat is out there. We are told about it all the time.
We think about three major events that are coming up. And I even shared
a little bit with one of my grandchildren what I would do if they
wanted to go to one of those.
Now, the country is in peril. We got a lot going for us, I do not
need to start that argument, but all we wanted to do was to plus-up
counterterrorism and make it more viable and make it happen for the
safety of this country.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from
Florida (Mr. Goss) for 5 minutes.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I hope not to use all my time. It is late. We
have had a long day. We have a heavy legislative day tomorrow. I simply
want to give Members my side of this, the committee's side of this.
We have debated extensively. I guess I will start from the point that
we have complaints from the other side of the aisle that we are not
spending enough money in intelligence for the war on terrorism is a
declaration of success that we have succeeded in getting the message
across that we have a war on terrorism that we need it to fund and
intelligence is important.
Because last year we lost a lot of Democrats on the authorization
bill. And this year I hope we do not lose any. Because I can tell my
colleagues about this bill. I rise in opposition to the motion to
recommit because the bill takes care of our needs. We do provide for
the funding for the war on terrorism. It exceeds the President's
February request by 16 percent. It exceeds by hundreds of millions, I
cannot tell Members the exact number, but hundreds of millions. It is a
lot of money.
The intelligence appropriation for 2004, 2004 does not end until
October. Even when you include in the 2004 the supplemental, it is
still more. This bill has been coordinated with the House Committee on
Armed Services. We have had testimony to that effect today from the
gentleman from California (Mr. Hunter), the chairman, the House
Committee on Appropriations; we have had testimony today from the
gentleman from California (Chairman Lewis) and from the gentleman from
Florida (Chairman Young) of the full committee. Their bills had
bipartisan support. And, as we all know, the bill of the gentleman from
California (Mr. Lewis) passed yesterday with strong bipartisan support.
This bill authorizes more funds than the defense appropriations bill,
which was voted on yesterday, but not many more. So there is not a
bunch of hollow dollars in it. There are a few. But I will say that if
you voted yesterday for the appropriation, there is no excuse not to
vote for the authorization today.
Now, when I came out here today, I was a little concerned that my
biggest problem was going to be selling to some of my colleagues that
this is the largest intelligence authorization in history. It is the
largest intelligence authorization in history. It is supported by the
administration as the right bill, it is coordinated properly. We are
prepared to do business with the Senate, which has passed their bill on
a unanimous bipartisan vote. I think we have done our job well. And I
hope that our colleagues on both sides of the aisle can see that.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the distinguished Speaker of the House.
Mr. HASTERT. Mr. Speaker, I know the gentleman from Florida has made
his case. And before we go to vote on this and then into final passage
of this bill, I just wanted to salute the gentleman from Florida. He
has many great years of service as chairman of this committee.
This is the last intelligence authorization that the gentleman from
Florida will handle. He is retiring at the end of this year. We salute
him as a great Member of this body and a great patriot. We thank him
for his service.
Mr. GOSS. I thank the Speaker.
I am sufficiently embarrassed to say I very much appreciate that and
I am going to sit down. I hope that the applause on the other side of
the aisle was for the right reason. And I thank my colleagues, and I
urge support of the bill and oppose the motion to recommit.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Isakson). Without objection, the
previous question is ordered on the motion to recommit.
There was no objection.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion to recommit.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the noes appeared to have it.
Mr. PETERSON of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and
nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 9 of rule XX, the Chair
will reduce to 5 minutes the minimum time for any electronic vote on
the question of final passage.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 197,
nays 224, not voting 13, as follows:
[Roll No. 299]
YEAS--197
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Alexander
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Becerra
Bell
Berkley
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (OK)
Case
Chandler
Clyburn
Conyers
Cooper
Costello
Cramer
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (TN)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dooley (CA)
Doyle
Edwards
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frost
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green (TX)
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Harman
Herseth
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hoeffel
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley (OR)
Hoyer
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
John
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
Kleczka
Kucinich
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lynch
Majette
Maloney
Markey
Marshall
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McGovern
McIntyre
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
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Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Reyes
Rodriguez
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
NAYS--224
Aderholt
Akin
Bachus
Baker
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Beauprez
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Bradley (NH)
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Castle
Chabot
Chocola
Coble
Cole
Collins
Cox
Crane
Crenshaw
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Emerson
English
Everett
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Fossella
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Goode
Goodlatte
Goss
Granger
Graves
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Gutknecht
Hall
Harris
Hart
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hostettler
Houghton
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
LoBiondo
Lucas (OK)
Manzullo
McCotter
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McKeon
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Moran (KS)
Murphy
Musgrave
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Osborne
Ose
Otter
Oxley
Paul
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reynolds
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Saxton
Schrock
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stearns
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Toomey
Turner (OH)
Upton
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOT VOTING--13
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
McDermott
Rangel
Tauzin
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Isakson) (during the vote). Members are
advised there are 2 minutes remaining in this vote.
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So the motion to recommit was rejected.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on passage of the bill.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Recorded Vote
Mr. LaHOOD. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. This is a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 360,
noes 61, not voting 13, as follows:
[Roll No. 300]
AYES--360
Ackerman
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Bachus
Baird
Baker
Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Beauprez
Bell
Berkley
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burns
Burr
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (OK)
Carter
Case
Castle
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Clyburn
Coble
Cole
Collins
Cooper
Costello
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Culberson
Cummings
Cunningham
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLay
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dooley (CA)
Doolittle
Doyle
Dreier
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
English
Etheridge
Everett
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Fossella
Frank (MA)
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gonzalez
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Goss
Granger
Graves
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Hall
Harman
Harris
Hart
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoeffel
Hoekstra
Holden
Hooley (OR)
Hostettler
Houghton
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Inslee
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jefferson
Jenkins
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lucas (OK)
Lynch
Majette
Maloney
Manzullo
Marshall
Matheson
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McCotter
McCrery
McGovern
McHugh
McInnis
McIntyre
McKeon
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Mica
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Moore
Moran (KS)
Moran (VA)
Murphy
Murtha
Musgrave
Myrick
Nadler
Neal (MA)
Nethercutt
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Nussle
Ortiz
Osborne
Ose
Owens
Oxley
Pascrell
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Radanovich
Rahall
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reynolds
Rodriguez
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Rothman
Royce
Ruppersberger
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Sabo
Sanchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Saxton
Schiff
Schrock
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherman
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skelton
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Souder
Spratt
Stearns
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tanner
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Tierney
Toomey
Towns
Turner (OH)
Turner (TX)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Vitter
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Wexler
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Wu
Wynn
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOES--61
Abercrombie
Baldwin
Becerra
Blumenauer
Capps
Capuano
Conyers
Davis (IL)
DeLauro
Duncan
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Green (TX)
Grijalva
Holt
Honda
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jones (OH)
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
Larson (CT)
Lee
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren
Markey
Matsui
Miller, George
Mollohan
Napolitano
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Otter
Pallone
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Reyes
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Schakowsky
Serrano
Slaughter
Solis
Stark
Tauscher
Thompson (CA)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Woolsey
NOT VOTING--13
Bereuter
Berman
Buyer
Carson (IN)
Clay
DeMint
Deutsch
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Israel
McDermott
Rangel
Tauzin
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Isakson) (during the vote). There are 2
minutes remaining in this vote.
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{time} 2234
Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas and Mr. MARKEY changed their vote from
``aye'' to ``no.''
So the bill was passed.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
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