[Congressional Record Volume 150, Number 70 (Tuesday, May 18, 2004)]
[House]
[Pages H3180-H3185]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
30-SOMETHING DEMOCRATS
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Carter). Under the Speaker's announced
policy of January 7, 2003, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) is
recognized for 60 minutes.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, once again it is a pleasure to come
before the Members of the House and the American people to talk about
issues that are facing all Americans.
As you know, week after week we come to the floor, the gentleman from
Ohio (Mr. Ryan) and myself and other members of the 30-something Group
to talk about things that are facing young Americans, which also I
think have a lot to do with the bottom line of American families, as
they start to work on their finances, work on their future, and I am
glad to do that.
The first week we came we started talking about the issues of student
loans, the fact that more Americans are graduating from college in
debt, unable to purchase a home or take part in the American dream. We
also talked about the issues that were facing students in America here
with the price of text books, which then also has an issue that is
placed on the table of their parents are trying to make sure they come
up with the in some cases $800 to $1,500 for text books on top of
exploding tuition costs, which I must say is a student tax and a tax on
the American people.
Last week, we talked about the cost of health care as it pertains to
the young people having an opportunity to have adequate health care
outside of going to the emergency room, for that level of health care
that they so desperately need and is so very, very important that we
have a health care plan here in the United States versus some sort of
health care savings plan that the average American, that the
administration is pushing that does not make as much sense as it should
make to the average American.
We talked about voter suppression also last week, voter suppression
on college campus, and we want to make sure we get the word out that it
is important that students and parents of students, where your children
are going to be on a college campus this fall, that they can register
to vote there in that city, that town, wherever they go to school,
because we had an issue and we still do to this day, individuals that
are supervisors of elections that are saying, or the Secretary of State
that is saying, well, you are a resident of Indiana, but you cannot
register to vote at the University of Georgia. Well, you can.
The Supreme Court has already spoken to this issue, and so it is
important that we get that out and we encourage many people who want to
learn more about voter suppression to contact the Rock the Vote
organization. On their Web site they have information pertaining to
that issue.
We also want to continue to encourage people to e-mail us. We have
received quite a few e-mails. I know we both will talk about it
tonight. I am so excited about the fact that we are getting such a
great response from the American people, young and old. And I will say
some of these e-mails are really going to help us direct hopefully this
House, if given the opportunity to lead in this House in the majority,
to make sure that average Americans are heard. And I will talk a little
bit about our Web site; I hope the gentleman would.
I also want to, as we did last week, I want to thank the gentlewoman
from California (Ms. Pelosi), who is the Democratic leader in this
House, for pulling us together, helping us realize the importance of
young Americans, that we have a voice in this process, in this
democracy and allowing us to be on the floor once a week to not only
respond to e-mails but also share with the American people about what
is going on.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for taking a
lead on this. He is quarterbacking tonight.
I think there are some great issues. Just so we know, we wonder
sometimes when we stand on the floor how many people are out there
watching. And I just got off the phone with my wife and she is changing
from ``Law and Order'' to C-SPAN so that they can watch us here
tonight. So we know we have a little bit of an audience out there. But,
again, it is the Thirtysomething D[email protected]. And I have a
stack of e-mails here that we have received since we started doing
this, and it is amazing the response we are getting.
I think as we have talked about this, and it was not too long ago
that we were in college and participating in a variety of activities
there, and we felt that the political leadership was not engaging us.
And I think that is something that the gentlewoman from California (Ms.
Pelosi) has made it a point that as a Democratic Caucus we are going to
go out and we are going to pay attention to what the needs of the
students are. We recognize that they are the future of the country. We
do not just want to pay them lip service. We want to make sure that we
are there for them with the issues that they care about and on the
issues they need us to be there for them.
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If we are going to continue to thrive as a democracy and country we
are going to need to invest in our young people, and we cannot just say
we are only going to take care of senior citizens. I think there is a
responsibility there and we have a commitment there, but at the same
time, we need to make sure that we let these young people know that we
are committed to the issues they care about, we are committed to them,
we want to see them get educated and see them recognize their own
dreams, their own aspirations. In many instances, that is through a
college education, period, end of story.
It is not the only thing you need but for a good many Americans, if
you want to succeed, you have to do it by going and furthering your
education.
So the question that we have here tonight is, are young people better
off today, are students better off today than they were 4 years ago? I
think if you look at the chart that we will put up and some of the
statistics that we will talk about here today, it is clear that young
people are not better off today than they were just 4 years ago.
In the past 4 years, the unemployment rate for people ages 16 to 24
has gone up 3.7 percent through the Department of Labor statistics. So
there are thousands of kids who are young people who are out there
trying to get jobs, trying to find work, and they cannot find work.
Then this is not so much off the subject, but I found this article
today that I wanted to talk about and bring up today.
This is from San Jose, California, and the title of the article is
Offshoring of U.S. Jobs Accelerating. We talk about how we have to
educate our young kids. In every single trade agreement that we have
passed, the commitment was we are going to continue to invest in
education, K through 12, No Child
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Left Behind, Pell grants, consolidation of student loans, investment in
our young people. We are going to move the country forward by investing
in our young people, and if you get an education, the promise was, then
you have work in this country.
So this study that was done roughly, and that is a quote, roughly
830,000 U.S. service sector jobs ranging from telemarketing and
accountants to software engineers and chief technology officers will
move abroad by the end of 2005. Eight-hundred-and-thirty-thousand jobs
will move offshore, high-tech jobs, by 2005.
This same outfit did a study a couple of years ago, and they said it
was only going to be 588,000. Now it is 830,000.
So the question is, do you have the opportunity that you had if you
would have graduated in 1999 or 2000 and the kind of job market that a
Democratic Congress and a Democratic President created through
balancing the budget and being fiscally responsible and leading an
enormous economic growth and creating the kind of jobs needed?
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, can I say, without one Republican
vote. Democrats did that on behalf of our future, balancing the budget.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Many Democrats lost their job over it because they
made the sacrifice.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. And did the right thing.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. To do it right and to create long-term and probably
really what we have, and I think young people sense this when I talk to
them because they have grown up in the culture of where we are talking
about stocks and politics, and they are a little more sophisticated
than even we were just a few years ago, but a lot of those young people
recognize that the decisions that are made in this body and the
political decisions that are made are made for short-term political
advantage, not long-term prosperity for the country.
I think you have seen it over the past few years that the decisions
that are made about how can we win the next election, and I am from the
school of thought that if you do right when you are in power, when you
do right by leading, that the electorate will take care of itself and
the people will vote for candidates who support issues that make the
country better, make the country stronger, economically, politically
and whatever.
But I think it is important for us to realize that the kind of
atmosphere that we are creating here, the lack of investment in
education, the lack of investment in K through 12, the lack of
investment for our college kids is coming home to roost, and we are not
creating any kind of new jobs. We are losing jobs.
But what is the next industry? If you are not investing in the young
people, you are not going to be able to create the next industry.
I am going to share one statistic with you and then I am going to
kick it back over to the quarterback here tonight.
Some of the major technology hubs over the past few years, Silicon
Valley, famous; Seattle, booming; Austin, Texas, everything was great.
Those areas now have a higher unemployment rate than the Nation at
large, and I think when we are talking here tonight about what is the
future prospects of the young people who are hopefully out there
tonight watching this, if not studying and going to school and trying
to make themselves better, what are the future prospects, and think
when you hear statistics like that where great areas of concentration
of high-tech wealth and job creation have higher unemployment rates
than the Nation at large, I think that there is a lot of things that
need to be done, and I think the answer to that is investment into
education.
So I am hoping that through raising the awareness for the young
people here that we have an opportunity to hopefully engage these young
people like the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Pelosi) wants to do,
reach out to these students and 20 somethings and 30 somethings and
engage them in the process and let them know that they have a right to
stand up and they have a right to be involved in this process.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Well, the only way we are going to see the shift
that we need, and I am so glad that you are referring to studies that
were not only done recently but were done 4 years ago, and also having
a backdrop of reading articles that are in daily publications and the
facts from the Department of Labor, U.S. Department of Labor of what
the reality is, because many times people may turn on C-SPAN, Members
may be sitting in their offices listening to us right now, and they are
saying, oh, well, that is just the 30 Something Democrats, upset
because they are not in the majority right now; so they will say and do
anything, and we will tell the American people anything.
I just wanted to say this is not the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Ryan)
report or the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) report. This is the
report of the reality of what is going on in this government that we
serve in and what is happening to the American people.
The rubber meets the road when one has to go into the emergency room
for health care services. I must say if we cough or our throat feels a
little funny today, we walk down to the clinic. We have good health
care. Fine, not a big long wait. We are not told what veterans are
told; we will see you in a couple of months. If we need to see an
ophthalmologist or optometrist or whatever the case may be, oh, sure,
in a matter of hours, not days, not weeks.
Folks did not elect us to Congress nor any Member to Congress to say
I want you to have better health care; we love you so much we want you
to have better health care than what I have. No, they elected us to
make sure they have life better for them. That is our purpose, and I am
pretty sure that a lot of Members come to this body thinking that that
is what they would do eventually.
We have impediments of allowing us to be able to provide a better way
of life, and so the question that you mentioned earlier, are you better
off than you were 4 years ago, well, looking at the numbers, it does
not necessarily look that way.
In the past 4 years, the unemployment rate for 16 to 24-year-olds
have gone up 3.7 percent, and I think it is also important, in the past
4 years a number of unemployed college grads have doubled from 600,000
in 2000, a whopping 1.2 million in 2004 and this is the Economic Policy
Institute in case someone wants to check that out.
Goodness, I do not want to talk about gas prices. Have you filled
your car up lately?
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I am not sure we want to talk about it because it
is painful.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Well, I do.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I drive back and forth from Ohio to Washington, and
it is just, to try to get it on the turnpike or in a big city like
Washington, shameful.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Last night, I filled up, and you have to have a
credit car when you fill up. No more of that, oh, I will just take 20
bucks out and make it happen. You may get a quarter of a tank in some
gas stations.
So when you look at these issues it is not within our control. It is
not our control. That is the reason, well, we do not necessarily set
the agenda here in this House. We had a great debate today on the issue
of overtime pay. Please, tell me that we are not arguing about taking
away overtime from Americans. Please tell me that. Please tell me that
what you are saying, I wish it was untrue about American jobs that are
going overseas. Guess what, when they fire you, they do not come and
ask you are you a Democrat or Republican or Independent. You are fired
because your job is now overseas.
So the only way I think that we are going to change that is that the
American people help people like yourself, myself, the gentlewoman from
California (Ms. Pelosi) and some Republicans who want to do something
about it, and I think it is important. So the only way that is going to
happen is that we can bring it here to this floor. We do not have to
talk about it in a special order after legislative business. We can
actually take action towards making life better on behalf of every
American.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I think when you ask and we talk about what do you
do, and I think there is ample evidence for criticism of what has been
happening, not only in this chamber but the leadership throughout our
government, the lack of leadership, I guess I should say, throughout
our government, and the variety of issues that have not been
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touched upon here tonight and a lot more that we have, but what are we
going to do? What should we do? What is the answer? It is one thing I
think to criticize and critique, but what is the answer?
I think part of the answer is all we have to do is look back
throughout the history of this country from its inception, and many
people like to say, well, the government is not worth anything, the
government cannot initiate anything. If you look at all of the major
advancements that have been made in the country from the post office,
to land grant colleges, to the railroads, to the interstate highway,
Medicare, Medicaid, civil rights, Social Security, the GI Bill, the
Pell grants, Federal housing, all of these initiatives have, in one way
or another, moved the country forward. Who was it that moved the
country forward? It was always the government who was leading the way
to move the country forward.
The research on the Internet was government investment. The research
for diseases now at NIH, government investment, and now I just heard
Secretary Abraham, Secretary of Energy, he wants $50 million for a new
super high-tech fast supercomputer to give our country a competitive
advantage. Who is the Secretary of Energy? Who does it belong to? Where
does the money come from? It comes from here. It comes from the
government.
The government always has had a role to play. It will continue to
have a role to play, and I think the philosophy that people are trying
to push down the American people's throats now of here is your 300
bucks, while tuition and fees has increased by 28 percent under this
current administration; tuition and fees at 4-year public institutions
increased by 35 percent; tuition and fee increases at public 2-year
institutions increased by 60 percent; tuition and fees increased in 49
of the 50 States in 2003.
You and I come here at eleven o'clock at night. Our wives are
watching and hopefully trying to engage some young people.
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But why do it? Because we need to establish a program in this country
that will move the country forward.
Now, after 9-11, we had opportunities for energy efficiency, or
another GI bill, or you could have asked the American people to ride to
work on bikes and they would have gone out and done it because they
were committed to moving the country forward and committed to doing
whatever it takes. And yet look at the inaction, look at the one
solution for every problem. This is a one-trick pony. Tax cuts, tax
cuts, tax cuts. And they are not going to the people in my district.
Fifty percent of the people in my district in Youngstown, Ohio; in
Niles, Ohio; in Warren, Ohio; and in Akron, Ohio, 50 percent of the
people got a tax cut, but 50 percent did not.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, it is also important for my
colleague to identify that the majority of the tax cut is going to the
individuals with the most money, the individuals that are making over
$1 million a year. A lot of my constituents are not. If I had to go out
and run the election saying I am only concerned in my district with
those who are making over $1 million, I would be surprised if I
received 50 votes out of the number that I need.
Mr. Speaker, my colleague and I have been very, very on target as it
relates to sharing with the American people, with not just pointing out
and describing the inequities of leadership or the inequities of our
so-called health care plan, because we do not have one right now, but I
just want to share this with our listeners here.
The amount of young adults 18 to 29 years old who are uninsured has
gone up 8 percent since 2000, and in 2000 only 22 percent of all young
adults were uninsured. Now 30 percent of the uninsured Americans are
young adults, despite the fact that their age group represents just 15
percent of the population. These are uninsured numbers, I just want to
add and correct myself.
I think it is important that there is a piece of legislation authored
by one of the members of our caucus, the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr.
Snyder). He has a bill, House bill 3192, that aims to help young adults
without health insurance.
I want to also share with the American people that the Federal
Government, we in the Congress are supposed to be in the business of
not only helping the people that we represent, especially this
Congress, but also assisting States. Now, we have the benefit up here,
and here I have my credit card here. I do not have any money in my
wallet, but I can go back in and pull a credit card out, I pulled my
credit union credit card out, and we have the ability here to just
swipe the card and add it to the deficit. Swipe the card and add it to
the deficit to the point that we are borrowing money by knocking on the
bank of China, saying, hey, can you help us pay down our debt. But we
are not doing it on behalf of everyday Americans. We are doing it on
behalf of making sure that we can provide tax cuts to people who are
not asking for it.
For the middle-class individual, we support some of these tax cuts.
We support the family tax cut as it relates to child tax credit and
things of that nature. But when we start talking about tax cuts for
billionaires, fundamentally, I believe, especially in this deficit
time, in this time when States are running deficits because they cannot
take a credit card out and swipe it and say I will put it on the card,
they have to balance their budgets. So they balance their budgets on
behalf of who? The people in their State. Those people are who?
Americans that we represent. And what do they do at the State level?
They then in turn pass it on to the county government. Well, county,
sorry, but you have to let us know how you are cutting costs. We are
going to get down to the bottom of this.
What is important is that we start getting to the top of the whole
situation, and the top is in the White House, the top is here in this
House of Representatives, the top is over in the other body where we
have the kind of leadership that we have that is allowing this
legislation to pass. This is what some academics call devolution of
taxation. We will cut it here, but we will raise it there.
I can tell you right now, for the Americans listening to us and
Members of Congress and mayors and council members, or city
commissioners, school board members, they know exactly what we are
talking about. They get it. They know.
Tell me if this sounds familiar in a community near you or as to
Members of this House or people that are watching us now. Has there
been a referendum for a bond issue or something to help pay for
schools? Of course there has been. Has there been an extra penny for
transportation or something of that level, or a gas tax increase on the
local level to try to make up some kind of shortfall in revenue? Of
course there has been. It is going on now. To seniors, are you getting
the same service that you were receiving as relates to an activity
program or a good-will program in your neighborhood or in your
community? Of course there have been cuts.
The reason why there have been cuts is not the fact that we have not
been able to provide the level of service that we have been providing
in the past. And I have great concern about being in the Congress and
standing over the largest, or be taking part in the largest deficit in
the history of the Republic.
One would assume, listening to some of our colleagues in the
majority, if we were to believe what they are saying, it is those
liberal Democrats that brought us here. Oh no, it has been a long time.
And they cannot say that. I challenge the other side constantly. I
wonder where the deficit hawks are, those individuals that came to this
floor, just like we are here on this floor talking about how they
cannot believe the deficit is where it is. I cannot believe this. How
did we allow the deficit to get out of control?
Guess what? Democrats delivered a balanced budget. They got what they
asked for. Then they turn around and flip the script and try to make it
seem as though the Democrats did something fundamentally wrong. Now we
have a deficit that people do not understand how we are going to get it
down. I guarantee people are going to suffer. Student loans? Forget
about it. The banking community is here, and they are trying to make
the situation even worse for students that are trying to pay their
loans back. They will never pay them. They will always be in debt to
the banks for getting an education.
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Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Ryan) gave some great
statistics that even when individuals graduate from college, where will
they go? Where will the jobs be? Back when President Clinton was
President, there were jobs looking for people. Now there are people
looking for jobs. And the President says, well, for anyone who is
willing to work. Well, I do not have a lot of constituents saying,
Congressman, I am not willing to work. They want to have a job. They
need that job. It is very, very important that we help them.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to share this one point with my colleague,
but I have to say I love to hear my friend when he is sharing these
statistics and everything. I just sit right here, and I say this is
amazing, look at this guy. The way my colleague deploys the
information, it is just so informative. And this is good because we are
addressing folks who know what it means for someone to call your house
and say are you going to pay this bill or this student loan that you
have, or what have you? These are what real people go through,
receiving a letter in the mail that you do not know how they are going
to pay it.
For the individuals that own credit cards, because they do not have a
job and they are trying to make ends meet, they are paying what the
bank or the credit card is asking for, $23 versus paying to the
principal because they cannot afford to do so because they are in debt.
So it is important for us to share this information.
The government spends $900,000 a minute. Every minute, $900,000. That
is a lot of money. And it borrows $1.1 billion a day. That is an awful
lot of money, $1.1 billion, to pay down on this deficit that is in the
trillions. And people talk about our children are going to pay. My
colleague, we are going to pay it, and seniors are going to pay it.
Because Social Security is not going to be what it should be and how it
should be.
So when my colleague started talking about are we better off today
than we were 4 years ago, and I know my colleague wants to say
something. He is ready to get back on the mike, and I am going to give
him a chance in just a minute, but I think it is important for us to
share this. We shared about a piece of legislation that one of our
colleagues has sponsored now to help young Americans without health
insurance. I am 37. Individuals such as myself, the 50-somethings, the
60-somethings can say, well, we have health care needs. Of course, we
do. But guess what? When that young person, that grandson or that son
or daughter finds him or herself in a health crisis, who is going to
pay for it? Nine times out of 10 they will mortgage their homes to pay
for the health care costs for their children and grandchildren.
So this is not an issue; this is interconnected. It is all together,
and it is going to be the reality of America, or it is the reality of
America.
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Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I think the gentleman from Florida
(Mr. Meek) makes some great points. I believe this is a good
opportunity for us to try to communicate some of these points.
To continue on a point that the gentleman was making, the gentleman
was talking about the devolution of taxes and going from the Feds cut
their taxes and they push it off onto the States. And the States, in
many instances, cut their taxes too and have reduced revenue, and they
are passing it on to the county. And we see the local school boards, we
see the university raise its tuition prices, we see mental health
levies, transportation levies, disability levies, and senior citizen
levies for senior programs, parks; we see levies for just about
everything.
We have the devolution down until it gets to the local level, and the
reason why we have a Federal Government to pass money along is because
a lot of those areas are poor. They do not have the money to treat
people with mental health problems in their county. They do not have
the money. We need the Federal Government and the States to come in and
help those poor communities.
A lot of the school districts, and this is something that is going on
in Ohio, some of the school districts, they do not have the local tax
base to be able to fund an adequate education for their kids. So you
need the State to be involved or you need the Federal Government to be
involved in order to help them.
That is one stream that comes down, and it is pushing down on the
poor citizens in our communities all across the country regardless of
the State.
Then, as you reduce the Federal revenues and, as you said, you borrow
the money, you reduce the Federal revenues; but then you have to figure
out what you are going to give back because the revenues are not there
to give back. It is not like we are returning surplus money to the
millionaires, it is not like when Clinton left office, and we had
billions of dollars to give back. There is no surplus to give back, and
we keep giving back. So where do we get the money? We pull out the
credit card. We borrow the money to give it to the top 1 percent.
So we are cutting services on this end. We are pushing the burden
down to the local level, and then we are borrowing money to give to
rich people; and then in this other area here, we are pushing the
burden off on the next generation. It is a tax shift off onto your
kids, to your grandkids some day, my kids and my grandkids.
So we are going to have a higher rate of taxes for your grandkids
because of this indulgence, this binge that we have been on, the binge
that this administration has been on; and we are pushing it down to
these kids at the same time that the baby boomers are moving into our
systems, our Medicare system and our Social Security system.
What are we thinking? This makes no sense to do what we are doing. It
is mind-boggling.
I was on the floor a couple of hours ago with the gentleman from Ohio
(Mr. Brown) and the other gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Strickland) and we
were talking about veterans. When you listen to this, if you are home
just listening this, Law and Order is over, now you are turning on C-
SPAN, watching us, you think those are two partisans down there
talking, and a few hours ago there were three, just trying to score
political points, just blatant politics. But then you look at the facts
and you look at what is going on with our country and the lack of
investment in people, the lack of investment in all of the programs
that we have believed in for years, you begin to recognize it is an
issue of priorities. It is an issue of we would rather give these tax
cuts because we think in the long run it will help us win an election
as opposed to what is best for the country.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, we are in our districts working
next week, but the week after next what we should have, we need to get
a nice credit card. Just write the deficit in, expiration date unknown,
put the credit card there. You know how they have the pictures now with
the football teams, we need to talk about that, and I think that is
something that we need to talk about over the break.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Over the break, maybe we can get away from here and
open up and let the creative juices roll, and we can come up with
something.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Yes, and I have a couple of credit cards. None
with any substantial balance, but there was once upon a time that was
the case. We know better now. I think it is important to understand
that young people make youthful indiscretions, and some of those
indiscretions are financial.
Another thing is, when we set the deck, when we cut Pell Grants and
cut opportunities, low-interest student loans to students that need
them, and these are Democrat, Republican, Independent kids that are
trying to educate themselves, that is another thing. That is
indiscretion based on this Congress knowingly doing this. That is a
fundamental problem when we have more young people coming out.
Are you better off? I am looking at this chart that is next to the
gentleman, and you can see it better than I can. The gentleman and I
are both Letterman guys. He is coming on in a few moments on another
station, and I always like to hear his top 10. We have more than 10
here.
When we look at those that are employed, January 2001, 132.4 million
were employed. Now we have 130.9 million, and there are more people in
the United States of America than there were 3 to 4 years ago.
Unemployment, January 2001, was 5.6 million. Now unemployed is 8.2
million. We are going in the wrong direction.
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Not in the labor force, but want a job, 4.6 million then; 4.7 million
now. You would assume these numbers would be heading higher rather than
going lower.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Absolutely. I think an amazing number here, and I
know viewers cannot see these at home, but these are official
statistics.
Household debt in January 2001 was $6.6 trillion. Household debt
today, $8.8 trillion; $2.2 trillion more of household debt. And that is
the issue that we keep talking about because the debt tax, the tax per
household from this reckless binge that we have been on over the past 3
years is ultimately going to cost your kids and your grandkids enormous
amounts of money to pay for that debt.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. There is one thing coming out at me, like 3-D,
15 gallons of regular gasoline, January 2001, was $18.90. Now, May
2004, is $26.33.
Let me just say this, it is one thing to talk the talk, and it is
another thing to walk the walk. We have a lot of guys down on
Pennsylvania Avenue at the White House. They have the bully pulpit.
They are members of the administration talking about what the
indicators said, and we believe that the indicator is going to
indicate. But when it comes down in the final analysis, the American
people more is coming out of their pockets than they are getting in
their pockets, if they are getting anything.
So when we start talking about young people, once again, I go back to
the parents and grandparents. I think the goal of every parent and
grandparent or even aunt or uncle is to see their kids or grandkids do
better than what they have done. That is their goal.
What we are seeing now, and this information can be found if Members
want to find it. You can check onto the Web site, this information is
there at housedemocrat.gov/areyoubetteroff. It is amazing, people come
up with these Web sites.
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Mr. MEEK of Florida. It is just amazing what we are finding and what
we are seeing and what is actually happening out there.
One other thing I wanted to mention. I want to talk about a broken
promise. President Bush said 4 years ago that he promised to increase
Pell grants to $5,100. For the past 4 years the President and
congressional Republicans have frozen or cut the maximum Pell grant
award. The Pell grant stands at $4,050 today. That is $1,000 off the
mark. But meanwhile we are here on this floor to make permanent tax
cuts for the most affluent individuals in this country. The only way
that this is going to change, not if we do the 30-Something hour every
week. We can only inform the American people. They are going to have to
act.
They are going to have to make sure that we have the kind of
leadership that is willing to stand up to special interests and say,
no, it is not going to happen. We have a constitutional right to make
sure that we watch out for the future of this country and to stand here
on this floor today not because of our doing, and we voted against a
lot of the stuff that has put us in this situation now, laws or
legislation passed. I always say this is the biggest cake and ice cream
administration I have ever seen. It is almost like sitting one's kid
down at the table and say, hey, do not worry about the veggies, do not
worry about eating your baked chicken. Turn those plates around and eat
that cake and ice cream, go ahead, all you want. But what happens
eventually? Either obesity, diabetes, or something. And that is what we
are finding ourselves in.
Well, we are down in the polls; so let us see what kind of tax we can
come up with today. We will give maybe 30 percent to average Americans
and the other we will give to friends and individuals that have money.
So I think it is important that we look at that.
I wanted to just hit one more Web site because I think it is
important we pay attention to this. It is rockthevote.com on voter
suppression, to make sure that young people can vote. And, Mr. Speaker,
I want to tell the gentleman from Ohio that I am telling school
districts in Florida to tell the kids in school to send notes home to
their parents to remind them to vote in the general election. Now,
those kids have Republican moms and dads, Democrat moms and dads,
Independent moms and dads. But anyone who is paying attention to what
is going on with their child in school, they are going to have an issue
of what is happening here. So if those parents were to go out and vote,
it would be a different conversation. We would be on the floor talking
about, what, under the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Pelosi) as
Speaker, we passed on behalf of the American people, not just
Democratic kids, not just Democratic 30-somethings, not just senior
Democrats, but on behalf of all Americans, and it will be fair. It will
be fair to the business community. It will be fair to the other
everyday Americans.
I am going to let the gentleman go ahead because, like I said, he has
a way of being able to supply that information; but once again we as
Democrats are looking to make sure that we have opportunities to
provide opportunities for young Americans. During the Clinton
administration, more than 10 million people were able to take advantage
of the New Hope Scholarship tax credit and other scholarships. Students
saved $8 billion through the direct college loan program. John Kerry is
talking about the same. He is talking about $4,000, not once in the
college experience but per semester, per year, credit to be able to
allow young people to attend college even though student loans have
gone up. That will allow them to be able to receive a college
education.
Let me share this, Mr. Speaker, before I yield. During the Bush
administration, college tuition has increased by 28 percent. That is
that devolution of taxation we talked about earlier, when we cut it up
here and we hand it down to State governments. They have to find it
somewhere. So where do they go for it? The weak prey, seniors and
students and young children, cutting back and saying that public
schools need to suck it up and do better. 400,000 qualified high school
graduates will not attend a 4-year college this year because of
financial barriers; 200,000 will not attend college at all. This is not
because they do not want to. It is because they cannot afford to. So I
think it is important that if we are going to have a workforce that
will be able to take those jobs under a new administration, hopefully
under a new leadership here in this House of Representatives, that they
will be able to get through school to be able to provide the kind of
skilled worker that we need versus what we are experiencing now, more
and more jobs going offshore than right here in our own communities,
State, and country.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I think the gentleman from Florida is
absolutely right, and he is as articulate as anyone is around here.
A couple of issues that I want to talk about. And we are going to
wrap up here in a few minutes. The hour is getting late, but I think it
is important to just say that what we want this Congress to do, what we
want this President to do is to take a strong leadership role in
creating a new economy for the young people of this country. And I come
from an old steel town, very strong during the industrial age; and what
I hear from the retirees, I hear from people who have been working in a
lot of these mills over the years and are coming close to retirement,
is, What are our kids going to do? And when we look back at how we
succeeded during the industrial age, the GI bill, the investments in
infrastructure, the investments in the interstate highway systems, and
I think needs to be duplicated, not in the same, but look at the space
program, the national priority to educate people. It was not just about
going to the Moon, which was a great national priority; it was about
getting people, young people and the country engaged in math and
science and engineering and physics because that administration
understood that that would spin off into the economy, and those
engineers who were getting educated were not just working in the space
program. They were working in a lot of other industries. So I think it
is important for us to do that. That is one.
And, two, I have heard the President say the economy is turning
around. I cannot help, as we are wrapping it up here in the final
couple of minutes, but to just acknowledge the fact that just a few
miles outside of my district in Canton, Ohio, Timken, which was a
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staple in Canton and Massillon, some of the greatest high school
football in the country, the Timken Company is going to close up shop,
1,300 jobs in this community. Howard Fineman just wrote a great article
about Timken and its potential effect on the election, but 1,300 jobs
in Ohio were bleeding. And the President and others want to say that
the economy is turning around, and I cannot help but say, where? Where?
Maybe if they have a little bit of stock, and the stock market is not
even doing all that well. And gas prices are going up. I mean, where is
it getting better? It is not. It is getting progressively worse. We
have the financial albatross around our neck with the current war, and
we are having a number of problems. So these are some things where we
have to make education a national priority for us.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Are you better off now than you were 4 years
ago? Mr. Speaker, I just want to, if we can, share just a few of our e-
mails that we received, and I am going to start off. From Melanie B. of
Maryland, and I will just leave it at that. She is a political and
science and social worker major at the University of Maryland,
Baltimore campus, will be 30 years old this year. And she goes on to
say that ``I have noticed over the past 2 years how tuition costs have
gone up and continue to go up. Just over the past year, I have gotten
really interested in the workings of the Congress. I tune into C-SPAN
quite often now, and I was so happy to listen to the 30-Something Group
talk Tuesday night. It almost brought me to tears.''
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It almost brought me to tears.
``I started my education late at 25. I am working full-time for an
attorney to put myself through school. My parents were unable to help
me. I live on my own, which leaves me no choice but to work full-time,
or I wouldn't be able to support myself. It is going to take me 6 years
to complete both degrees. I started at the community college and
transferred.
``I received a scholarship from the National Honor Society, but lost
the scholarship after the first semester. In order to keep the
scholarship you are required to go to school full-time, 12 credit
hours, and keep a GPA of 3.5. I was not able to do so, and just by
dropping down to 9 credit hours I lost the little bit of money I had
for access to school.
``I make too much money to qualify for a Pell Grant, which means that
by the time I finish school, I will be in a mountain of debt. I hope to
go to grad school, but right now I am not sure that that will be an
option. I can't imagine the cost of grad school adding to my already
outstanding debt.''
That is a reality of what is going on out there. Community college,
had a scholarship, have to work full-time, lost scholarship because she
has to work to support herself, had to go to 9 hours, she lost it. She
wants to continue her education, but cannot; not because it is not
offered, but because she cannot afford it, and also because she will be
in so much debt.
If you will read one.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I will read a couple here and start wrapping things
up here. Alan T, a senior at Oklahoma State University, sent us an e-
mail.
``I am spending over $300 a semester for textbooks that have been
used four or five times already by previous students. My best friend
was unable to be the first in his family to graduate from a major
university due to the fact that he was unable to pay for textbooks,
parking permits and other student fees that are burdening students more
and more,'' also probably a few parking tickets, if I remember college
well. Those are also a cost that students must endure.
``I can either pay my bursar, or I can pay my rent. Next year, I
won't buy my textbooks, so I can pay both.''
The fact that we have people making this decision, it sounds eerily
similar to the decision that a lot of our senior citizens have to make
between food and prescription drugs.
Joseph Oliver from North Dakota, a 20-year-old chemical engineering
student:
``Full disclosure, I do want to tell you that I am historically, even
though I am only 20, a conservative voting citizen. The investigation
into textbooks,'' for those of you at home, we have a bill that is
going to investigate the high cost of textbooks, also provide a $1,000
tax credit for you to be able to deduct that, or credit that, for your
textbooks, up to $1,000 a year, or your parents up to $1,000 a year.
``The investigation into textbooks is long past due. I spent nearly
$600 for three classes of books, then was unable to sell any of them
back because the new editions were released.''
If anything gets you more upset in college, than you would drop
hundreds of dollars for a textbook, and then you would go back at the
end of the semester to get hopefully 10 or 20 bucks back, and they say,
``We are not buying these back any more.'' I mean, that was ridiculous.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I still have some of my textbooks
from college at home, because I was so upset, I was appalled by the
fact they would not even give me even one-tenth of what I spent for
them, and I did not even give them the privilege of giving me $5 for
the textbook. I kept the textbook, even though maybe Bush 41 was the
last President of the United States in it.
Go ahead. That is just a personal issue.
Mr. RYAN of Ohio. He goes on to say, ``That was the biggest unseen
cost of college.'' He also goes on to talk about the variable interest
rate for student loans. ``I have a fixed rate of nearly 3.4 percent
right now. If that were to change, the light at the end of the tunnel
would get a little less bright. I work 18 hour days in the summer to
afford the opportunity of continuing school. I get upset every year,
because I get penalized for working hard, among other factors, when it
comes to receiving financial aid.''
I am going to wrap up here and just, again it is an honor to be here
with the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) to talk about these issues.
I think it is important, if you are there, please send us your e-mail
to us, find the rockthevote about voter suppression. But continue to
send us these, because it is important for us to know exactly what your
issues are.
I do want to take this opportunity, since we are not going to be here
next week and this is my first term in Congress, to wish my mother a
happy birthday. She is 60-years-old, so I wanted to wish her a happy
birthday. Also my cousin, Phil Guerra who is also turning 60 this year.
I wanted to take this as an opportunity to wish them a happy birthday
before we take off for our Memorial Day break. And just to say again,
we got to keep plugging away. We got a long road here. But you
establish what you stand for, you take it to these young students,
these young kids, and I think you have an opportunity to change the way
the country is run, and I think that is a great opportunity that we
have here.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Congratulations to the young people in your
family. They are still young, and they still have a lot to do.
[email protected], [email protected].
I want to thank the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Ryan), for this evening.
I look forward to coming back in another 2 weeks to talk about other
issues that are facing young Americans.
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