[Congressional Record Volume 150, Number 37 (Tuesday, March 23, 2004)]
[House]
[Pages H1357-H1363]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




              INNOVATIVE BUDGETING PROCEDURES FOR CONGRESS

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Ms. Ginny Brown-Waite of Florida.) Under the 
Speaker's announced policy of January 7, 2003, the gentleman from 
Illinois (Mr. Kirk) is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the 
majority leader.
  Mr. KIRK. Madam Speaker, I believe the Federal Government must return 
to a balanced budget, not just as a goal of sound financial policy, but 
also as the sacred moral fulfillment of commitments that we have made 
to the American people.
  I am pleased to be joined here by my colleague, the gentleman from 
Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan), who has joined across the ideological spectrum of 
our party to make sure that we have a budget that not only cuts the 
deficit, but that is enforced to make sure that the commitments we make 
under that budget are actually fulfilled.
  I yield to my colleague, the gentleman from Wisconsin.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Madam Speaker, I thank the gentleman from 
Illinois (Mr. Kirk) for his work on this budget issue as well. Only if 
all of us work together to bring real reform to the budget process can 
we actually achieve that. The prior speaker, the gentleman from South 
Carolina (Mr. Spratt), is a person who also deserves a tremendous 
amount of credit for his work on the budget issue. He is a person who 
has been around and has witnessed this budget process work and not 
work, and we really do look forward to working with him on this issue 
as well.
  Madam Speaker, I want to briefly describe what the problem we have 
here is. Every time we bring a budget to the floor of the House of 
Representatives and the Senate and pass something, and we pass a budget 
every year, we debate about the numbers, we debate about the glidepath, 
the dates, all of those things. We just saw the charts of the gentleman 
from South Carolina (Mr. Spratt).
  This week the House Committee on the Budget will be bringing a budget 
resolution to the floor. The problem with this entire process is, once 
Congress sets a budget, Congress does not have to stick to that budget. 
That is a big problem. Look at how we do it with our family budgets. We 
do not have the ability to just assume more income into our families 
when we set a budget for our family budget for the year. However, 
Congress does that. So what we have here in this current system, it 
marks the 30th year where we have operated under these current rules, 
since the 1974 Budget Act was passed, where we will pass a budget 
resolution, not into law, but as a resolution, binding Congress for the 
year to those numbers. The problem is, Congress does not have to follow 
those resolutions, and there are a thousand tricks out of those budget 
caps.
  What we have proposed together, many of us, a large group of us on 
the Republican side of the aisle, and now we have some Democratic 
cosponsors on some of our bills, so that we are making this a 
bipartisan effort is, number one, let us make our budget binding. Let 
us actually pass a budget at the beginning of the session and get its 
top numbers signed into law by the President so that we have a budget 
that is legally binding on Congress. Once that is established, that 
can, therefore, give us the rules to enforce that budget. If we pass a 
budget that is not legally binding that we do not have to adhere to, it 
is difficult to enforce it.
  So what we are proposing is, and this is something our coalition has 
come up with, I have introduced legislation along with the gentleman 
from Texas (Mr. Hensarling) and the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. 
Chocola) and the gentleman from California (Mr. Cox) to do this as 
well; and the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Kirk) has also introduced 
legislation. What we are proposing is, number one, a budget that gets 
signed into law in its numbers by the President; and, number two, 
because it is a legally binding budget and a legally binding document, 
we can, therefore, enforce it. If Congress, if spending exceeds the 
budget in any given year, automatically, an across-the-board spending 
cut, a sequester, kicks in to bring us back into conformity with the 
budget if Congress does not pass a bill to bring us into conformity 
with the budget. If we want to break that spending, it is no longer a 
majority vote, which is the case today; it is a two-thirds vote in the 
House and the Senate to actually break this legally-binding budget.
  There are many other things we do in this bill, but I think it is 
very important that as Congress sets its track for spending, as we 
decide our priorities, as we determine when we hope to balance the 
budget, what level of spending for this, what level of taxing for that, 
we ought to be able to enforce that budget so we have the discipline 
needed to adhere to those goals and those challenges and those numbers.
  Now, there are some other things that we think we need to do to 
address this issue, and that is there are a thousand little tricks that 
are employed here in Congress to get around what little spending 
discipline we have. For instance, we can pass an emergency spending 
bill, although emergencies do not have to be paid for in the current 
budget rules. Emergencies are things like a natural disaster like a 
tornado or a hurricane or a flood or, God forbid, another act of 
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do not have to be paid for under our current budget rules.
  The problem is, Congress can declare anything an emergency. A couple 
of years ago in this House, we passed an emergency will that put a $2 
million summit house on top of Pike's Peak during, I think, it was a 
flood disaster emergency bill at that time. We can declare anything an 
emergency today, and that is one of the often-used tricks to get around 
the budget rules. We need to stop that, and one of the things we have 
proposed in our coalition that the gentleman from Illinois (Congressman 
Kirk) and I are members of and the legislation we are proposing is to 
tightly define what an emergency is, really what an emergency is.
  Mr. KIRK. Madam Speaker, if the gentleman will yield, before we go 
into some of the other reforms we have talked about, people have asked, 
if the Republican leadership is in control of Congress, why can it 
not enforce its own rules? What we have seen time and time again is the 
leadership many times is defeated by a majority on the House floor. 
This is a lot easier if we make a supermajority requirement to enforce 
the decisions that we have already made.

  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Madam Speaker, that is exactly right. We have 
a tight majority, and it is very easy for the leadership to come up 
with a good budget and good enforcement around that budget; but all it 
takes is a majority vote on the floor of the House to defeat that, and 
that often happens, that is often the case. Having that higher vote 
threshold makes it much more difficult for Congress to defeat its own 
budgets. Having a legally-binding budget, which automatically kicks in 
spending cuts across the board, forces Congress to act. And if Congress 
chooses not to act, then the across-the-board spending cut comes in. If 
two-thirds of the Members of Congress do not want that to happen, then 
they can make sure that that does not happen. But that is a much higher 
threshold.
  Among the other tricks that we seek to limit here is not only do we 
want to tightly define what an emergency is, but we want to raise the 
vote threshold on emergencies to a two-thirds vote, so that that too is 
a protected procedure, not another game that can be used to get around 
the budget spending caps that we have. But also, we want to set aside 
money for emergencies. We often have emergencies in this country that 
need quick attention by Congress. That is why we are proposing to set 
up a rainy day fund. Several State legislatures and State governments 
do the same thing. Congress also should set money aside to budget for 
the inevitable emergencies that occur every single year. Clearly, we 
are not going to be able to plan for every emergency. We spent $40 
billion, as we needed to, after 9-11 to address that emergency. That 
was a lot of money; clearly, more than we have for our average tornado 
or natural disaster. But we can still try and budget for the inevitable 
emergencies we will incur here this year.
  Another thing that really happens that is a big problem in part of 
our appropriation process is in addition to the fact that the 
appropriations bills can form huge bills where they put seven to 10 
appropriations bills in one giant omnibus bill, they can tack in 
spending items that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. Let us 
take, for example, one spending item that we voted against just this 
last December, $50 million for a rain forest museum in Iowa City. They 
were going to build a rain forest under a glass bubble for $50 million. 
That was tucked inside of an omnibus appropriations bill in the part 
that went to Labor and Health and Human Services. A $50 million rain 
forest museum in the middle of Iowa has nothing to do with health, 
human services, or labor, the Labor Department. However, it was stuck 
into that portion of the bill.
  Now, if we had the ability which, in this case, we did not in the 
House, to go to the floor, pass an amendment to defeat that $50 million 
from going to that rain forest project, we could do that. The gentleman 
from Illinois (Mr. Kirk) and I could bring an amendment to the floor 
saying, we should not be putting $50 million into a boondoggle rain 
forest museum in Iowa; let us pass an amendment to defeat that. We 
could pass that amendment. But by the rules of this institution, by the 
laws of the 1974 Budget Act, that $50 million would have to be respent 
somewhere else in the Federal Government. It could not be saved. So 
that is another thing we want to fix.
  Another huge, glaring glitch in the budget process is we want to be 
able to come to the floor of Congress, identify wasteful spending, make 
sure that this kind of pork does not happen again and not only defeat 
the pork, not only get these projects not funded, but save the money so 
we can use it to reduce taxes or to reduce deficits or reduce debt. 
That is another reform we put inside of our bill and inside the 
coalition of principles that we have all agreed to subscribe ourselves 
too.
  Mr. KIRK. Madam Speaker, the example of the rain forest is a powerful 
one that we focused on. But we have another reform that we have seen 
difficulties with: a line-item veto, which allows the President to 
identify pork barrel spending and eliminate it. But we have a fix.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. We do. That is a very important point that the 
gentleman from Illinois raises. If my colleague recalls, the line-item 
veto was knocked down by the Supreme Court a few years ago, for good 
reason, which was it is anticonstitutional, it was unconstitutional for 
Congress to delegate its lawmaking power to the executive branch; and 
the Supreme Court aptly knocked down that line-item veto law.
  So what we have come up with in place of it is the ability for the 
executive, the President of the United States, when he receives these 
big spending bills, to pull out pieces of spending, pork barrel 
spending and through an expedited procedure send those pieces of 
spending, those pork barrel projects back to Congress for an up-or-down 
vote on each of these procedures, each of these pork barrel projects. 
We have a procedure here where the President can make sure that he gets 
that vote. We cannot stonewall, we cannot filibuster it; we have to 
have a vote on this wasteful spending that the President can take out 
of these bills and send back to the Congress so we have another up-or-
down vote to make sure that we have another chance, a redundant system 
to go after this wasteful spending. It accomplishes the same thing that 
a line-item veto does, but it retains the constitutional authority of 
the lawmaking body and the legislative branch that the Constitution and 
the Supreme Court calls for.
  Mr. KIRK. Madam Speaker, this is the same way that we now close 
military bases, which was so difficult before.
  We also talked about how, in the budget presentation to us, that the 
executive branch, the budgeteers, automatically include an inflation 
adjustment, so that we do not actually see clearly some of the 
increases that are in the budget.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. That is correct. And that is why some of the 
other forms that we are calling for, which is automatically, they just 
assume that we are going to keep raising spending. One of the things we 
see around here is a lot of Members of Congress come to the floor and 
say we are cutting spending on programs, when actually what is 
occurring, if at all, is reducing the rate of growth of programs. What 
we believe is we should go back to zero-based budgeting, and we can go 
back to not baseline budgeting, but a zero-based budgeting whereby a 
dollar extra for a program the next year is an increase in spending. We 
do not want to have a baseline that constantly inflates and puts 
spending on auto pilot for all parts of our government. We want to make 
sure that we are more frugal with our constituents' dollars and that an 
extra dollar in an extra year is an extra dollar of spending, not a 
reduction in spending.

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  Mr. KIRK. We have that to make sure that we show that what you got 
last year is higher than what you have got the previous year. This year 
is higher than what you got last year.
  But we have a number of other problems in presenting the financial 
condition of the budgets. And that is that, as yet, we do not have a 
good picture of the full debts and liabilities of the Federal 
Government.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. One of the other things that we do not account 
for here in the accrual accounting is the costs of the pension that the 
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Government owes to its employees and many of the other Federal 
Government's liabilities. If the accountants of the Federal Government 
had to subscribe to the laws that we have placed upon the private 
sector, we would make the accountants at Enron look like saints. We 
would not be able to adhere to the common private sector accounting 
principles that are employed in the marketplace today.
  What we wanted to accomplish is a full, clear accounting for all of 
the Federal Government's debts and liabilities. And that is another 
thing because if you take a look at the way the Federal budget is 
displayed and presented to Congress, it does not fully reflect all of 
the Federal Government's debts and liabilities. That is misleading. We 
need a clear and accurate picture of truly what taxpayers are on the 
hook for, not a rosy scenario, not a disguised scenario, not one that 
makes the situation look better than it actually is.
  Mr. KIRK. We have that.
  We also are talking about changing the rules of Congress. There are 
some rules of the Congress that are never waived. Any Member can raise 
a point of personal privilege, and that has never been touched. But 
there are other rules of the Congress that are routinely waived. We 
make changes to affect the budget.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. That is right. One of the problems we have in 
this particular body, in the House Chamber, unlike the other body, is 
all the budget points of order that seek to protect our budget, to 
enforce our budget, are easily waived before they even get to the 
floor.
  We have a Committee on Rules that sets the parameters of debate, the 
rules for the kinds of amendments that will be considered here. And the 
Committee on Rules, they can waive budget points of order. Therefore, 
if the Budget Enforcement Act of 1974 has a number in it that we miss 
and hit, and we break our budget, we are supposed to be able to have a 
point of order that defeats legislation coming to the floor that breaks 
our budget.
  All it takes is a Committee on Rules to waive that point of order 
before it even gets to the floor and we pass a rule with a majority 
vote without even having to vote on whether or not we are going to 
break that point of order.
  So the rules are so easily circumvented here on the floor that what 
we are doing is, we are making sure that these points of order are 
still maintained as points that Members individually can bring up. They 
cannot be waived in the Committee on Rules. They take a two-thirds 
vote. This is our preference in our particular legislation in order to 
waive these budget points of order.
  Members of Congress need to be empowered with the rules so that they 
can raise the awareness that we are breaking our budget and they can 
force a vote to make sure we conform with the budget, and it takes two-
thirds to break that.
  Mr. KIRK. Now, we are talking about a basic principle that should be 
obvious to everyone. The rules should be the rules. But we have 
embodied these ideas in a number of pieces of legislation.
  I wonder if the gentleman could talk about his bill that has come 
out.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Yes, I would like to ask the gentleman a few 
questions about his bill as well.
  I thank the gentleman for the mike. He has given me a lot of time to 
talk about ours.
  Our bill is what we call The Family Budget Protection Act. Number 
one, our bill does change the rules of the House so that you cannot 
waive these budget points of order, meaning you cannot just break the 
spending caps and not even have a vote on whether we did that or not on 
the floor of Congress.
  First, we make a binding budget so it is signed into law by the 
President.
  Second, if Congress is going to break the budget, it takes a two-
thirds vote in order to break that budget. If we do not vote that two-
thirds, then we have an obligation to reduce spending to bring it back 
into conformity with the budget. If we do not do that, an across-the-
board spending cut comes into play.
  But also the games that are played in the appropriations process, 
putting nongermane spending items in the bills where they should not 
be, we tighten up what we call the germaneness standards so we cannot 
put those kinds of things in appropriations bills.
  It is important that we are honest with the American people in how we 
spend their money. It is important that we make sure we set a budget 
and stick to it. And it is also important that we have a budget process 
that is at least neutral toward higher taxes and higher spending.
  The 30-year anniversary of the 1974 Budget Act paints one very clear 
picture, and that is the rules that run the budgeting in Congress are 
clearly biased toward higher taxing and higher spending. And they tie 
both hands behind your back if your goal is to bring sense to the 
budget system, bring fiscal discipline and hold the line on taxes.
  What we are seeking to achieve in our legislation is simply to make 
the rules at least neutral toward taxing and spending, not biased for 
higher taxing and spending. And that is something that we all have to 
work together on.
  What I am very encouraged about year, and this is my sixth year in 
Congress; I have been working on this ever since I got here. What I am 
especially encouraged about is the new coalition that we have been able 
to form.
  The gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Kirk) has been a leader in this new 
coalition to fix this budget process, and only by linking arms and 
building a team can we get these kinds of things passed. So I would 
like for the gentleman to tell me some of his ideas about what he hopes 
to achieve in this budget process, which are all part of the broader 
principles that we signed on o and how exactly does the gentleman's 
bill work.
  Mr. KIRK. I want to applaud the gentleman for his bill, which is now 
approaching 80 cosponsors. The companion legislation that I have 
introduced has 17. So we are now on our way to almost half of 
Republican Conference supporting comprehensive budget reform.
  These reforms have been agreed to by dozens of Members on our side of 
the aisle and some Democrats because it is essential that this be a 
bipartisan reform effort to make sure that the rules really are the 
rules, to remove the spending bias in the Federal Government, so that 
we can get ahold of the spending picture and present it clearly to the 
American people; and to also make sure that we can root out some 
traditional, ages-long pork barrel spending included by the Congress, 
which a few powerful Members can support, but the body as a whole would 
never support, for example, a rain forest in Iowa City.
  For us, it is important that we not only put forward these reform 
principles, but we put them in a broad principle, across party lines, 
and make sure that in the coming days we have not only passed a budget, 
but we pass legislation which allows easy enforcement of the budget. 
The budget should not be difficult to enforce. It should be very easy 
to enforce by a group of dedicated Members, fiscal conservatives who 
are watching the long-term bottom line of the U.S. Government.

  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. That is right. I applaud that.
  One of the things that we have to keep in mind is that the 
demographics of America are changing. And as the baby boomers begin to 
retire, we have to take into account the fact that we have 40 million 
retirees today; when the boomers are fully retired, we will have 80 
million retirees. And so many of our programs are geared towards senior 
citizens, namely, Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid as well. So we 
have a tremendous fiscal pressure staring us in the face.
  In order to prepare for those moments, not only do we need to reform 
these programs so we can improve them and make sure they are solvent, 
but we have to be able to pass a budget that we can stick to and 
enforce to get us to that solvency date, to make these programs viable 
for the baby boomers and for our generation, the generation afterwards.
  Mr. KIRK. I thank the gentleman for participating in this.
  First, I think this is critical that we not only vote on a good 
budget this week, but that we bring up our legislation for budget 
reform in the coming weeks
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. That is right. I also think it is very 
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to recognize that a lot of Members have worked on this issue. It is one 
thing to pass a budget under the current rules and talk about the great 
accomplishments we have in it; they are good accomplishments.
  We are bringing a good budget resolution to the floor tomorrow, 
freezing domestic spending, getting to a balanced budget even faster 
than the President proposed, and he gave us a lean budget, making sure 
that we are not going to have huge tax increases hitting the American 
family just as the economic recovery is under way.
  But the point of all this is, the current budget system, it is so 
easy to circumvent these budget rules, to circumvent the budget. So 
even though we are bringing what we think is a pretty good budget to 
the floor, actually a very good budget to the floor this week, we can 
easily circumvent it next month.
  That is why we need to have a budget process that is honest, that has 
integrity, that is clear, that is transparent, that is honest with the 
American people, that has honest accounting, that makes sure that you 
cannot have these bills that we get a day before we vote on them, that 
are this thick, and have so many little programs tucked into them that 
are pork barrel projects that raise the total of spending for the 
Federal Government, but waste a lot of money and also have nothing to 
do with the issue at hand that we are trying to legislate on.
  Mr. KIRK. I thank the gentleman very much.
  This government, our government, has the prime duty given by the 
Founding Fathers to provide for our common defense. If we fail in that 
duty, we fail all other duties inherited by a free people. And I think 
that is the essential point that I want to make here. This is about 
honoring the promises that we have already made.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. One of the things, and I notice that there are 
some gentlemen coming in that I want to recognize when they all get in 
the room, that are in the gallery, that I think is very fitting for the 
House to recognize, but before I get to that, because I see some of 
them are still coming in, I think it is very important for them to 
recognize, and for those who are listening to this debate, we do not 
have the tools that we need to cut wasteful spending in Congress.


                Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Ms. Ginny Brown-Waite of Florida). The Chair 
would remind the gentleman that references are not to be made to 
visitors in the gallery.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. I apologize, Madam Chair. I simply wanted to 
recognize the fact that we have a group of Special Operations Forces in 
the gallery that just came back from Iraq. And I simply want to say to 
those, and I realize we have rules, that we are very proud of what you 
have done for our country, and we want to salute you for your sacrifice 
to our Nation and to thank you for making us a safer and more secure 
world and country. Thank you for what you have done for us.
  Will I be admonished for that?
  Thank you, Madam Chair, for your indulgence.
  I simply want to conclude by saying, I thank the gentleman for his 
leadership in this because he has been one of the linchpin people in 
Congress to bring together this coalition. You cannot have a handful of 
fiscal conservatives to try to change rules that have not been changed 
for 30 years. It takes a lot of people from a broad coalition to do 
this. There are a lot of people who have been in Congress for decades, 
longer than the gentleman and I have been living in some cases.
  A lot of people like the way things are done today. They like the 
current rules. It makes it easier to filter power through your 
committee, to filter power through this institution. But these rules 
have really accomplished one thing. The budgets we set for the Federal 
Government every year we pass a budget resolution are very easily and 
very quickly circumvented. They do not stick. They do not count, and 
they do not work.
  If we can fix our budget process, bring common sense back to it, real 
legal enforcement measures so that the budget is easy to enforce, we 
can accomplish these goals of not only balancing the budget, making 
sure huge tax increases do not hit the American people, but prepare our 
entitlement programs for that baby boom retirement without having to 
resort to deep benefit cuts or huge tax increases.
  We have to avoid the kind of malaise and troubles that other 
countries like those in Europe have fallen into where they have to keep 
taxing and taxing and taxing their people with payroll taxes and 
business taxes and value added taxes, and they have chronic 
unemployment of 9 to 12 percent.
  We do not want to go down that road. We have to prepare to make sure 
we do not go down that road as these demographics confront us with the 
retirement of the baby boomers. If we are going to confront that, if we 
are going to pass legislation to do that, we have to budget for it. And 
we have to have a budget that is enforceable. The current rules make 
that nearly impossible. That is why you have this great coalition in 
Congress that is serious about doing this this year to enforce these 
rules.
  I want to thank the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Kirk) for his 
leadership in bringing a whole host of Members of Congress to the table 
to take this issue seriously. I look forward to working with my 
colleague from Illinois to working on this as soon as this budget 
resolution is done, to move a bill through the Committee on the Budget, 
and to get it to the House floor and to fight those interests who like 
the status quo.
  I think we can prevail. I know we can prevail and I sure hope we do. 
And it is only with this kind of coalition that the gentleman has 
helped assemble that will give us a chance of prevailing.
  Mr. KIRK. I want to thank the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan). 
Our districts abut and it does prove that there is some common wisdom 
that comes from America's heartland.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. That is right.
  Mr. KIRK. As our special operators/warriors will no doubt note, our 
government has the primary duty given by the Founding Fathers to 
provide for our common defense; but if we fail, then all of our other 
duties are failed.
  In the last century, we, Republicans and Democrats, Americans, added 
a second mission to our Federal Government. And that was to provide for 
the retirement security of Americans who worked hard and became members 
of what we now call ``The Greatest Generation'' that saved the world 
from fascism.

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  These commitments to protect our families and older Americans call on 
most of the resources of the Federal Government. If we cannot afford to 
meet those commitments, we fail the most fundamental bond between 
Americans and their government. These commitments are on such a massive 
scale and duration that it calls on us all to be fiscal conservatives. 
We know that the Federal Government cannot do everything, but it can 
and must meet the duties of national and retirement security wealth.
  In our history, we have not built a perfect record of balanced 
budgets. This chart shows some of the history, and you see for a lot of 
our history we have not had a balanced budget, deep deficits obviously 
during World War II and parts of the Cold War.
  Most of our deficits early in our history dealt with whether the 
country was at war or at peace, but the deficits of later years have 
something entirely different at fault.
  In the 19th century, this Congress faced entirely the opposite 
problem. We had a high tariff against foreign goods, and that hurt our 
economy, but built up a massive Federal surplus. In the 20th century, 
we built up massive debts, but they were largely to fight and win the 
world wars. Our debts consumed a fifth of the Nation's income, but I 
think they were absolutely necessary to secure victories in 1918 and 
1945.
  The Korean War, the mounting cost of the Cold War and the Vietnam War 
did push the Federal Government into the red. These costs were 
staggering and seemed never ending until the Cold War was ended on 
America's terms in 1991.
  Our national security duties faded, but only briefly until forced by 
other challenges in Kuwait and Haiti and Bosnia and Kosovo. But these 
challenges hid a growing structural change in the way our government 
spent the taxpayers' funds.

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  Imagine a rain barrel. Water inside represents Federal tax dollars. A 
pipe above the rain barrel brings in more water, Federal tax receipts. 
If we raise taxes, the pipe gets bigger and more water goes into the 
barrel. If we cut taxes, we narrow that pipe.
  Around this mythical barrel are 13 ladles. These ladles represent the 
13 regular appropriations bills. These bills are used to fund the 
traditional part of the Federal Government. Each part of our government 
from the FBI to the FAA to the FDA is supplied out of these 13 bills.
  For most of our government's history, these 13 bills, represented by 
the 13 ladles around our barrel, were how we funded Washington; but in 
the 20th century, we invented entitlement programs, programs making 
beneficiaries entitled to Federal spending, for example, Americans over 
65 entitled to health care under Medicare.
  The best way to think about these entitlement programs is to imagine 
they are holes drilled in the bottom of the barrel. Expand an 
entitlement program, as we did giving a prescription drug benefit to 
Medicare, and you widen the hole in the bottom of the barrel.
  The analogy of our rain barrel with holes drilled in its side leads 
us to a clear picture of what is happening to the Federal budget. We 
are spending more money through automatic spending of entitlements than 
we are through the regular appropriations bills, the ladles I talked 
about. We are spending a lot more through entitlements.
  Our budget this year will total $2.5 trillion. Only $820 billion, 
roughly one-third of the budget, will be spent under the regular 
appropriations bills of the Congress. Two-thirds of our budget will be 
spent in automatic spending through entitlement programs. Our 
entitlement programs increase their spending even when we do not 
improve benefits. That is because the number of people entitled to 
these programs is rising.
  Today, roughly 35 million Americans have most of their health care 
paid by Medicare, but America's baby boomers are aging, and since the 
first baby boomer was born in 1946, they become eligible for Social 
Security and Medicare in just 5 years. The number of people eligible 
will rise from 35 million to over 70 million. This increase in 
beneficiaries puts an enormous strain on our budget.
  Americans should know that our government uses different accounting 
rules than a private company. If a company promises a pension to one of 
its employees, it must show the cost of that promise for the entire 
life of the retiree on the company's books. But that is not how the 
Federal Government works. We only calculate the cost of our pension 
promises for the next year, and we estimate the cost of our promises 
over 5 years.
  This method of government accounting leaves much of our financial 
position in the dark, where Americans cannot learn what is being done 
on our behalf. If you were an accountant for the Federal Government and 
you accounted for our finances the way any family-owned business in 
America does, then it would show that our government is $30 trillion in 
the red.
  Many politicians, like one of those that just spoke on the floor this 
evening, talked about the surplus of the 1990s. The surplus existed 
only on paper. It did not stand up to analysis. Every dollar of the so-
called 1990 surplus and more was needed to honor the promises that have 
already been made by our government.
  So where do we go from here? First, we begin where I began by looking 
at the two basic commitments of our Federal Government, that we provide 
for the national defense and we provide for retirement security. 
National defense in time of terror is not cheap. Our victory in 
Afghanistan was won by a seaborne Army against a country with no 
coastline. Such victories are possible, but not inexpensive.
  In the post-September 11 world, we could not guarantee that every 
terrorist in the United States had been caught, and therefore, we were 
forced to defend the homeland at great cost. For example, an airport 
screening machine costs $2 million and O'Hare Airport needed 50, 
requiring $100 million to secure just one of the Nation's 4,000 
airports.
  Like our grandmothers and -fathers of World War II, we had to protect 
our families, even with borrowed money. That was necessary in the edgy 
days after September 11, but now it is time to return to a bottom line 
so that we can ensure that our capacity for honoring those most basic 
commitments can be met. This House must review a budget to meet our 
most important obligations while returning our finances to balance.

  The Congress will consider several budgets this week, from both sides 
of the political aisle. I have my preferences, but we stand here 
tonight to make a more basic point, above partisan rhetoric in a 
presidential year.
  Process matters as much as policy. We have a choice between adopting 
a budget and not. If we do not adopt a budget, the record of the 
Congress is clear that we will spend much more than otherwise. Our 
history shows that we spend less with a budget plan than without. 
Ironically, any budget plan is more fiscally responsible than no budget 
plan. This sets a bipartisan imperative that, in the end, the common 
good is served when we come together on a revenue and spending budget 
plan.
  My second point on process is even more obvious. We must not only 
adopt a budget, we must enforce it. Far too often, Congress has made 
tough decisions on a budget and then waived its restrictions in end-of-
year legislation or additional supplemental appropriations bills.
  This week, Congress will debate a budget and will debate all sorts of 
specific numbers on defense and veterans and the Environmental 
Protection Agency and the like, but once we adopt a budget, we must 
make a change. We must make sure that we add tools to both the 
executive and legislative branches to make it easier to enforce the 
budget we have already passed.
  Here in Congress, we have subdivisions between Democrats and 
Republicans; and Democrats are further subdivided into liberal 
progressives, main line and conservative Blue Dog factions. Republicans 
are also divided between conservative study group Republicans and 
moderate Main Street Republicans. I am a member of the moderate Main 
Street Republican group, and the problem of balancing our budget is so 
important that we have not let divisions divide our rank and file.
  Republican moderates and conservatives joined together to talk about 
and put forward 12 consensus principles to reduce spending. These 
principles were drafted into legislation.
  One bill, H.R. 3925, was authored by myself, cosponsored by 17 of my 
colleagues. My learned colleague from Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan) authored the 
other major piece of legislation on this with 80 cosponsors.
  We set forth some basic principles: that budgets should be 
enforceable in law; that if we are estimated to miss our targets, then 
we should have automatic spending reductions to reassure taxpayers and 
markets that what our budget said it would do it will actually do. We 
should not put in superfluous numbers that are ignored by the political 
process, but numbers that count, and those are a number for the 
Committee on Appropriations, a number for entitlement programs and 
especially that rainy day fund number.
  We know that this country will go through hurricanes and floods and 
fires. We even know some of the national security challenges we will 
face. We need to plan for that now so that we can control our budget.
  Our budgets presented to us now under the old pro-spending rules 
automatically include an inflation adjustment that hides spending 
increases. We need to show the American people exactly how much we 
spent last year and how much we are going to spend next year without 
any inflation adjustments. We need to also block spending outside the 
budget, with pay-as-you-go rules, to make sure that anyone proposing a 
program which costs more is forced to actually have a way of actually 
cutting another program to pay for their increase.
  We must make sure that we cut pork barrel spending programs by 
learning the lessons from the Supreme Court and from the military base 
closing legislation to allow the President to send up a list of 
rescissions that can be presented for a clean up-or-down vote in the 
people's House to make sure that we can knock out pork barrel spending 
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  We need to show the government's full debts and liabilities to make 
sure the American people know that right now we stand $31 trillion in 
debt and we cannot afford to add any more new programs or new spending. 
We must clearly show the debt owed to our public, and most importantly, 
for the rules of the Congress, they need to be the actual rules that 
cannot be waived.
  I am very happy to be joined here not just by my colleague from 
Wisconsin, but also my colleague from New Jersey (Mr. Garrett) who has 
led on this and helped us come to a broad-based conclusion on how we 
fund bipartisan reform to make sure that when we pass a budget we 
actually stick to it.
  First, I yield to my colleague from Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan).
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Madam Speaker, I only wanted to say that we 
have now added some Members from the other side of the aisle to our 
legislation so they have become true pieces of bipartisanship. That is 
the right step in the right direction. That is the critical ingredient 
we need to get critical mass to pass these things.
  But I also wanted to recognize our colleague from New Jersey (Mr. 
Garrett) as well, who is also a very, very strident Member in making 
sure that we live within our means, a good fiscal conservative. I 
wanted to ask the gentleman from New Jersey if there are any comments 
he would like to make on this subject.
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. Madam Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. KIRK. I yield to the gentleman from New Jersey.
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. Madam Speaker, I rise today to discuss and 
join the discussion on a matter that I think should be of grave concern 
to every American taxpayer, every American worker, every American that 
relies on an essential Federal program that they look to on a daily 
basis and any American that basically looks to our Federal Government 
to provide for our safety and security, and that is, I join with my 
colleagues in discussing this issue of fiscal responsibility on the 
Federal level. It is one that you and I agree is long overdue, as 
Washington begins to put its house in order, and that we need to do it 
obviously in the sense that if we want to continue to provide those 
essential services back to our districts, those services that people 
have a right to under the Constitution and look to the Federal 
Government for, we have to put those processes in place.
  So, Madam Speaker, I appreciate the chance to join with my good 
friend from Illinois (Mr. Kirk), and thank him for all the work he has 
done on this issue in the past, basically, this evening to bring to the 
American public's attention the issue of fiscal responsibility and 
process to the system.

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  Madam Speaker, it has been discussed already here and in the past 
that we are looking at a $521 billion budget deficit right now, meaning 
we are sending out $521 billion more than we are taking in at the end 
of the day. I stand up here as a freshman, and $521 billion is an awful 
lot of money to me. I come from the good State of New Jersey, where 
when I go back and talk to businesses there, they obviously would never 
be able to operate their business on a basis like we do in Washington.
  Even in our State government, where I had the honor of serving for 
the last 12 years, we did not have the opportunity to operate in the 
manner that Congress has over the years. We had to do the fiscally 
responsible thing, and that is to end up at the end of the year with a 
balanced budget.
  I have the privilege and honor of being on the Committee on the 
Budget, and we just went through 2 days of hearing, and this past week 
we passed through the budget that we will soon be considering in this 
House. We discussed the issue of fiscal responsibility during the 
course of that markup. But I think it is interesting to know that 
during the debate and during that time we got that bill out of 
committee, the Members on the other side of the aisle, still 
understanding where we stand with regard to the budget deficits, still 
proposed spending and sending out $28 billion more than we see in the 
budget that will be coming before us.
  I do not know whether those tactic were simply playing politics or 
whether the other side of the aisle honestly does not care about 
spending more than we are taking in, but I think it sets a bad example 
either way.
  Mr. KIRK. Madam Speaker, if I understand correctly, the gentleman is 
saying that minority members of the committee offered amendments that 
would have cost the taxpayers an extra $28 billion, which the 
Republicans defeated?
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. Exactly. Each and every one of those 
amendments came up, and Members on the other side of the aisle made 
their best case as to why we should be spending more money than we are 
taking in. Fortunately, members on this side of the aisle said it would 
not be fiscally responsible to do those programs and at the end of the 
day not have money available to provide the essentials.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Madam Speaker, could the gentleman share with 
us what the budget that was passed out does with respect to the deficit 
over the next 5 years?
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. It cuts that deficit in half, which goes 
in the correct direction. That is to say what we talked about, the area 
of trying to get to a balanced budget some day, we have to do it by 
reining in spending, and this goes to doing that not by raising taxes.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. And that was done without raising taxes?
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. Exactly. That is an important point we 
need to get to as well. At the end of the day, we want to grow the 
economy. One of the points that I think I have learned here and in 
State government, when you cut taxes, you return those dollars from 
Washington back to the family budget. Families have the ability to 
spend more; consumer confidence goes up. They spend more locally, 
businesses are able to expand, jobs are created; and at the end of the 
day, not only do you expand the economy, but by putting more people 
back to work and expanding the economy, you reduce the amount of the 
reliance on the Federal Government, and so you reduce the amount of 
money that we have to spend. So eventually you will be able to reduce 
taxes even further.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. There is more money coming into the Federal 
Government because more people are working and paying taxes.
  Mr. KIRK. Madam Speaker, some tough choices were made. The overall 
budget, outside of the Department of Defense, froze Federal spending. 
Some will say that is a cut, but actually the same level of financing 
was provided that we did last year as a part of fiscal discipline.
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. Actually we are doing a level funding 
plan. If a program had this much money this year, we are going to keep 
it level going into the future.
  Mr. KIRK. Is that a cut?
  Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. That is absolutely not a cut. A cut is 
when you are spending this much this year, and next year you go down to 
here. That is a cut. If we keep it level, I do not know how anyone can 
call that a cut.
  Mr. KIRK. Madam Speaker, I think it is important to look at this 
budget plan coming up, and people may differ with the details of the 
budget, but my understanding is this budget cuts the deficit as a 
percentage of GNP by half. We may want a more aggressive action by the 
Committee on the Budget; but in a time of national security crisis with 
so many Americans in uniform still on the field, we have some pressing 
national security needs that we need to make sure that we meet our 
obligations to Americans in uniform. So this budget sends us in the 
right direction, but we only meet that right direction if we actually 
enforce the budget that we put in place.
  The series of reforms that we put in in H.R. 3925, or other pieces of 
legislation, reform legislation, I think are essential to make sure 
that we assure markets and taxpayers that we actually mean what we say, 
that we hit our targets that we have told everybody in the budget 
resolution that we are going to do, and so that people take the word of 
Congress very directly.
  I wanted to thank the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan) and the 
gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Garrett) for joining me. This will be a 
very hot debate in Congress with regard to the specifics of the budget; 
but the debate is not over, and we have not completed our full mission 
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have actually also passed reforms to make sure that it is much easier 
and not harder to enforce the budget which has actually been adopted by 
the Congress.

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