[Congressional Record Volume 150, Number 26 (Wednesday, March 3, 2004)]
[House]
[Pages H809-H814]
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HAITI
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of
January 7, 2003, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) is recognized
for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to address the
House and the American people this evening.
Last night, Mr. Speaker, we were on the floor talking about the
recent events in Haiti that has also involved not only our military but
our international community, not only as it relates to humanitarian
efforts but to the safety of the Haitian people. I just left the
Committee on International Relations, the Subcommittee on the Western
Hemisphere where we had witnesses, the Assistant Secretary of the
Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs from the U.S. State Department,
Mr. Roger Noriega; and also the Honorable Arthur Dewey, Assistant
Secretary of Population, Refugee and Migration of the United States
State Department; also other representatives from the State Department.
Mr. Speaker, it was quite disturbing hearing some of the testimony that
was given to us there on that committee. I am thankful that the
chairman, the gentleman from North Carolina, allowed other Members that
were concerned about not only the plight of Haiti but also the U.S.
involvement in Haiti. I think the events that took place last Saturday
evening and early Sunday morning has a lot to do with how we move
forward from this point on. Many of us in this Congress feel very
strongly about the U.S. involvement in Haiti from this point on, on how
safe will it be in Haiti? How safe will it be for the Haitian people?
How many months will our U.S. Coast Guard be visually off the coast of
Haiti? What kind of commitment will the United States make to Haiti?
And also what kind of commitment will the international community put
forth as it relates to Haiti?
First of all, I would have to go back. We spoke last night about Mr.
Philippe, who has announced himself as the leader of Haiti, the head of
the rebel force, using Secretary Noriega's description of him as a
thug, that has now taken control of Haiti. He was in Port-au-Prince
yesterday, he had a meeting, he talked about him being in charge of
Haiti. He said he really looks up to the United States, that he reveres
our President, and rightfully so, he should revere our President,
because if it was not for a visit by officials from the State
Department that will go unnamed at the home of President Aristide and
giving him an ultimatum to either leave or be killed, that simple, that
he had to make the decision right then and there. Reports say that he
made that decision. That decision empowered Mr. Philippe, a known
individual not only to Haitians but also a known individual that has
carried out terror in Haiti in the past, a 36-year-old young man that
is now on the streets of Haiti who has announced that he is going to
arrest the prime minister of Haiti. I say that as a backdrop of talking
about troop safety.
I think it is important to note in the early 1990s when U.S. troops
went into Haiti to not only kick General Cedras out who took Haiti by a
coup but to also provide a level of safety to try to build onto
democracy, that not one soldier lost his or her life. No one even
choked on popcorn. It was that smooth of an operation. I commend
Senator Nunn at that time, I commend Mr. Powell at that time, now
Secretary Powell, and also the leadership of William Jefferson Clinton.
But now we have a situation that is in question. Some people may say,
why are you so concerned? Okay, President Aristide said he felt like he
was kidnapped. Some people say, well, he wasn't kidnapped, that's not
true. Who's right? Who's wrong? That is not the issue. The issue is
that for us to provide the kind of forward progress that we are going
to need in Haiti to make sure that Haiti is able to move forth in a
democratic way, for us to continue to have the international community
willing to be a part of democracy-building in the Caribbean as it
relates to other Caribbean islands surrounding Haiti, then we can no
longer move forth with a Saturday night policy ultimatum.
This should have not happened, ladies and gentlemen. Mr. Speaker, I
must say that it brings into question the very safety of troops and
also it brings into question good elections in the future. If Haitians
that were pro-Aristide and within the party that he was the head of
know and feel that the United States played a strong role in his
departure by force, and taken from Mr. Noriega's quote, I might add,
that he just gave in responding to the gentleman from New York (Mr.
Rangel) in the committee just a couple of hours ago, the gentleman from
New York asked him: Mr. Noriega, is it true that President Aristide was
told that he needed to sign a resignation letter before he boarded the
plane?
Mr. Noriega responded: It was important to make sure that we have a
positive process to a political resolution.
The gentleman from New York asked him again: Is it true that he was
asked to sign a resignation letter before he boarded the plane? That
answer was: Yes.
And then after that, to give Secretary Noriega some credit, he said
that to make sure that we can resolve a good political resolution.
Mr. Speaker, if someone showed up to my house on a Saturday night and
shared with me that either I needed to leave with them or I would be
killed and my family, I would leave. If they were to ask me, listen,
sign your mortgage or your deed over to your property because we are
not going to take you unless you do that, I would sign it.
We met with the Secretary-General of the U.N., several Members of
this Congress, on Monday. This brings into question, was this an exit
of a leader who wanted to leave of his own free will and saying that,
hey, come get me, I already have my resignation letter ready and I'm
willing to sign it, I want to thank you, America, for helping me and
helping my family leave this island? Or was this a resignation under
duress? We do not know if the 33rd coup d'etat took place on Saturday
night or it was just a misunderstanding.
I must say, I am no fan, and I have said this time after time, Mr.
Speaker, of President Aristide. I represent Miami. I represent south
Florida. But what I am a fan of is democracy. When these knee-jerk
policy decisions are made on a Saturday night, it puts forth a bad
light on the United States of America as it relates to how we deal with
democracies in South America or in the Americas. This is so very, very
important. We are sending the signal to individuals that will arm
themselves, known to be outlaws, have been a part of terror groups in
the past of Haiti to arm themselves and take cities, if we like it or
not. Some may argue, well, the 2000 elections as it relates to Haiti
was wrong and it was
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flawed. I would say that he was recognized and given credentials by the
Ambassador of the U.S., President Aristide was. He was recognized by
the United Nations as the President of Haiti. So to even talk about the
2000 elections, and I think that we should not even go there as it
relates to our own personal situations. And one thing that I do honor.
Never once that I have denounced or said that President Bush is not my
President. He is my President. Until November, until we all get a
chance to be able to cast our ballots as Americans on how we feel, he
will be the President until that point. If he is reelected, he will be
reelected. That is just something that we have to live with. But what
is important as we move forth from this point and making sure that we
stop the violence is that we play with a level hand. Guy Philippe is an
individual that has said, once again, that he will arrest the prime
minister. The prime minister of Haiti's house has been burned down to
the ground. It has been looted and burned down to the ground. He has
been living in his office protected by U.S. Marines. Can he leave that
office? No. I do not think that that is a safe situation.
I have one other thing before I yield to my colleague here. Secretary
Dewey said that there has been over 900 Haitians rescued. The
Secretary-General of the U.N. had brought a question to the United
States policy as it relates to individuals trying to flee Haiti of fear
of persecution. Persecution means that if you return, you are fearful
of your life or your family's life, women and children. We have
repatriated over 900 Haitians even though the road is littered of
bloated bodies that the rebel forces left in the path on their way to
Port-au-Prince, never once stopped by the United States of America,
never once stopped by the international community but kept marching on.
It is that same rebel force that did not agree to any of the diplomatic
or political solutions we tried to bring about to bring a peaceful
resolution to what was going on in Haiti. Nine hundred were
repatriated. The Secretary reported since Aristide has left the island
only three have been caught and repatriated. Let me just say this.
After the 900 that were brought into the Port-au-Prince dock and sent
off to the streets because they were leaving from the south end of the
island, not from Port-au-Prince, which is like over 100 miles away,
they are walking through a populated area where rebel forces and other
folks can see them and their families. Some of them are government
workers, some of them are individuals that were pro-Aristide or they
never would have left the island in the first place. They were not
leaving because of President Aristide. They were leaving because of the
violence and the violence and the persecution that they were going to
receive. So I would not even try to leave if I knew I was going to go
through Port-au-Prince and everyone was going to see me and know
exactly where I am. They are now in hiding in Haiti.
I think it is important, ladies and gentlemen, that we look at what
we are doing and how we are doing it and if we want to see a peaceful
resolution in Haiti, it is important that we put forth policy not on
slogan but based on making sure that our troops and humanitarian
supporters are safe. So it is very, very important that we understand
that as this U.S. Congress.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Michigan, the ranking
member of the Committee on the Judiciary.
Mr. CONYERS. I thank the gentleman from Florida for yielding.
(Mr. CONYERS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, I begin by commending my colleague from
Florida for the testimony that he has given before the Subcommittee on
the Western Hemisphere of the Committee on International Relations. It
has been quite a day, quite an afternoon and evening. As a matter of
fact, that subcommittee is still going on as we take this special
order. I think the gentleman who has perhaps more citizens of Haitian
descent than anyone else in the Congress should take this special order
in which we can continue to develop the discussion about how we are to
deal with this very sensitive foreign policy issue that is made more
emphatic because of the fact that it is within the Western hemisphere.
This is not thousands of miles away. This is hundreds of miles away
from our shore. It is very, very important. I appreciate my colleague's
testimony and that of all the members of the Committee on International
Relations and the Congressional Black Caucus and others who
participated in the proceedings this afternoon in the Committee on
International Relations.
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Let us begin with the most immediate consideration, that is, the
safety of the president of Haiti and his wife, Mildred Aristide. And I
want to ask the gentleman from Florida if he can shed any light based
on the numerous discussions that went on around this subject this
afternoon in terms of where they are and what amount of security is
being made available to them at this point.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, from what I understand, I have no
firsthand accounts, that they are in a Central African country, that
they have French and U.S. guards that are protecting them, including
their own private security that President Aristide has had over the
last couple of years. So from what I understand, his life is not in
jeopardy, and I am glad that the gentleman has brought that up because
there are many people not only in the United States but many of my
constituents that feel otherwise, and we try to find out that kind of
good information and share it with them that all is well so that we can
hopefully see some sort of smooth political process in the future.
Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for his comments. And
I would like to put on the record at this point that the Assistant
Secretary of State, Mr. Noriega, testified, much to my interest, that
at this point the United States, having brought the president and his
wife to the Central Republic of Africa, has now taken no responsibility
for his security at this point. This is a Francophone country in sub-
Saharan Africa that has recently undergone a coup. As a matter of fact,
there were two coups, and the last one was successful. It is a very
dangerous circumstance because those of us who may have talked to the
president or his wife, and I am one of them, they have yet to have met
with the president of the country in which they have been brought, that
they are apparently under some kind of formal or informal house arrest,
that they consider themselves to be in danger.
So I wanted to put everybody on notice in the United States of
America, including the President and the Secretary of State of the
United States, that they may be in danger even as we speak. We are
trying to get phone calls to them to determine what amount of security
is being afforded them. It is somewhat disingenuous for the Assistant
Secretary of State to tell us that having deposited them in a rather
isolated part of Africa of a very small and modest means, this nation,
in a country in Africa which is circumscribed by poverty and economic
deprivation, which in some reports to me have indicated that there may
be elements of civil unrest still going on in the country, that he
could testify before a committee of the United States Government that
we have no responsibility for the president's or his wife's safety at
this point. If this does not set off alarm bells, I do not know what
else will.
So if this Special Order convened by the gentleman from Florida does
nothing else but preserve the security and safety of the president and
his wife in the National Republic of Africa, this will be well worth
the time that we have spent here.
It is my position that the United States has every responsibility for
the continued security and safety of the president. As a matter of
fact, we have been told that the reason that he left Haiti was because
his life and his wife's were in danger. Now to take him thousands of
miles out of his country and then tell us that we have no longer any
responsibility for his security, it is up to somebody else, is totally
unacceptable. And I want to put this government on notice right now
that we had better get some security over there if it is not already,
and this is what I am going to be working on for the rest of the
evening and into the morning.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I think that is important too. I
just
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want to make sure that I clarify that, from what I understand from the
gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel), that he spoke with President
Aristide this evening or earlier, and he did share that he had French,
U.S., and personal security individuals; and he is on a French base in
this particular country. Hopefully, that security holds up over time
and justifiably so.
Going back to what I was mentioning a little earlier, and I know that
the gentleman from New York (Mr. Meeks) has joined us now for this
discussion, but the very safety and how President Aristide was removed
speaks to the future security of Haiti. And the gentleman from Michigan
is a member of the Committee on the Judiciary. I know that he is fully
aware of the temporary protected status that all of us have been
fighting for so that we do not put Haitians that are in the U.S. into
harm's way just like we have done for other countries that had similar
turmoil, be it political or natural disaster. I think it is important
that we note that when people are saying why are we worried about how
President Aristide left, I am more worried, Mr. Speaker, about the
safety of the Haitian people, also worried about our troops that are in
Haiti protecting not only U.S. properties but also looking at the issue
as it relates to the safety of humanitarian workers; and I think the
way that the administration moved on a Saturday night/early Sunday
morning with this whole resignation thing or he cannot get on a plane
fuels more chaos on the ground in Haiti.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back to the gentleman, as the ranking member of
the Committee on the Judiciary, to speak to that.
Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, let us review the urgency of what the
gentleman has described as the designation of a temporary protected
status for all Haitians who are fleeing the country. I was not able to
raise this personally with Mr. Noriega, the Assistant Secretary of
State for Caribbean Affairs; but he said that now that President
Aristide has gone, it may be safe for people to return to Haiti. This
is probably the most dangerous statement that has been uttered in a
congressional hearing certainly this year and maybe all last year as
well.
To tell anybody that it is safe to go back to Haiti when there is no
government, when the rebel leaders have announced that they are
replacing the police and cooperating with the prime minister, people
who led the overthrow of the first democratically elected president in
the 200-year existence of Haiti, is probably the most incredible
utterance of this year or last year. And the gentlewoman from Texas
(Ms. Jackson-Lee), our ranking subcommittee person on the Immigration,
Border Security, and Claims Subcommittee on the Committee on the
Judiciary, and I and others on the committee have written Secretary
Ridge, asking that he designate temporary protected status to the
Haitians that are fleeing. To turn them around upon arriving here from
hundreds of miles in an ocean always on very fragile craft, that the
first miracle is that it even got to our shores, would be inhumane. And
yet this is the policy as we speak tonight.
And so I have to ask the President of the United States to review
this standard, especially since this is the only group coming to this
country, Haitians, that are instantly turned away in violation of the
immigration laws of this country and in violation of the humanitarian
laws that control all of us in the family of nations and in the United
Nations itself.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentleman for
coming down and his being willing to stay and be a part of this
discussion.
I know the gentleman from New York (Mr. Meeks) left the Committee on
International Relations to come here and join us here tonight.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Meeks).
Mr. MEEKS of New York. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentleman
from Florida for yielding to me, and I want to thank him for having
this important hour. I want to thank the distinguished ranking member
of the Committee on the Judiciary and the dean of the Congressional
Black Caucus as to all of his insight and his invaluable knowledge.
I just left the hearing; and just piggybacking on the colloquy that
was taking place, I just asked one of the witnesses that was brought in
who used to be in charge of Haiti University, and I asked him a simple
question since I know that part of the administration had brought him
here and wanted him to testify since he was their witness, whether or
not he thought that individuals in Haiti should receive asylum right
now coming into America, whether he thought that the policy that the
United States has of turning back Haitians and accepting Cubans was a
fair policy. And he quickly and unequivocally said that he thought that
that policy should change and it shows absolute discrimination against
the Haitian people and that that is something we should be moving in a
complete bipartisan manner to make sure that we take care of those
individuals, particularly now because of the fact that our hands are
virtually tied into what is taking place in Haiti currently.
We need to talk about the security of the people that are on this
little island called Haiti, 8 million people. What is going to happen
to them? It seems to me that what took place here when we did not
compel the individuals to sit down at the table to have a peaceful
negotiation, when we knew that the alternative would be that common
crooks and criminals would be coming in armed, coming across the
border, people who had been banned for life and people who are really
Benedict Arnolds because they were traitors to their own country, that
they would be coming back to have an insurrection as well as killing
innocent men and women on the streets of Haiti, that we should have
done something about it. And now with no form of government that is
there now, democracy basically we did not uphold, it has crumbled, the
people in Haiti are at the mercy of these individuals.
I think that the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) clearly pointed
out at the Committee on International Relations how he brought both The
Washington Post and the New York Times showing this Philippe, who is a
known criminal, convicted, is now declaring himself to be the leader
and people holding him up as if he is ruling the country, and we saw no
place in the paper, nor have I heard of anyone else saying, that they
were in charge. We have not heard from the prime minister. We have not
seen that the chief justice of the supreme court, anywhere in the
constitution, when we talk about democracy, says is supposed to be in
charge.
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Here is this guy demanding and commanding the police force, telling
the people if this guy shows his face he is going to have him placed
under arrest. So the people of Haiti are under, apparently, unless the
papers are lying, and from what I see, are apparently under the
jurisdiction of individuals who are convicted criminals. What they did
was come, and now they have opened up and destroyed all of the prisons,
where people who are under a legal system, we talk about institutions,
but under a judicial institution system, that were convicted by law,
they are now walking the streets and the people of Haiti are subject to
them.
So I say to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek), we have to really
wonder whether or not the people in Haiti are safe now. I hope that the
troops on the ground are changing their position, because I know at one
time they were only protecting United States property. So the question
is, what about the people?
Mr. MEEK of Florida. If I could reclaim my time from the gentleman
from New York (Mr. Meeks), I just wanted to make a quick point. I share
with Secretary Noriega and others, you would have individuals in the
White House saying that, well, I hope that Members of Congress would
watch what they say, because they are putting troops' lives and State
Department civilian workers' lives at stake.
I must beg to differ, because we did not make the Saturday night
visit. We did not bring about the kind of swiftness that our country
brought about. We did not allow rebels, I am going to use Mr. Noriega's
term, ``thugs and criminals,'' to go through Haiti, taking over cities,
burning police departments, pulling pro-Aristide supporters out and
executing them in front of their homes. We did not do that as
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Members of the Congress. And as it relates to the executive branch, the
administration, they did not stop it. All they did was put out a little
press release and say ``we condemn the actions of this group. Stop
doing what you are doing.''
Not only did we go to the negotiating table, and I commend Mr.
Noriega for going over there, I commend the President for saying we are
sending the diplomatic corps over there. President Aristide sat down
and said, ``Fine, I agree with you. Let us share power.''
The opposition party said no. ``Okay. We will give you a deadline of
5 o'clock.'' Still no. The following day, still no. Then we just kind
of walked away.
But then it became a point to where that in this democracy, the
biggest democracy on the face of the Earth, the United States of
America, went in and told the President of Haiti, as wrong as he may be
on several issues, ``You have two choices: One, we can have a plane
here to save the lives of you and your family, or you will be killed.
And, by the way, if you want the plane, you have to sign this letter
resigning as president of the country that you were elected to serve.''
I would say to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Meeks) and the
gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Conyers), I hate to keep going back to
that point, because I think that is going to be the cornerstone of how
we move forth in Haiti.
Now, you listen to Mr. Noriega, you listen to the President, they
start saying, ``Well, you know, we are restoring order and peace.'' But
that is not what the Washington Post is saying. That is not what the
New York Times is saying. That is not what the Miami Herald is saying.
That is not what the Associated Press is saying. That is not what CNN
is saying. That is not what MSNBC and any other news organizations are
saying.
What they are saying is Mr. Guy Philippe is the leader of the army
and he is in charge, and he will say, President Alexandre of the
Supreme Court, I will yield to him, but at the same time it is him
riding through the streets with armed bandits.
Mr. MEEKS of New York. Just quickly, it is not only all of the press,
but my constituents who have relatives that live in Haiti, and they are
on either side of the fence. Some of them do not like Aristide either.
But they do not like these common crooks that are there.
When they call my office, they are telling me they are afraid for
their mothers, for their grandmothers, for their uncles, for their
aunts who are living there now. The situation is not better than it was
before Aristide was forced to get on the plane. In fact, if anything
else, it is worse. That is what they are calling my office and saying
to me.
Mr. CONYERS. If the gentleman would yield further, I would like to
put in the Record a communication from Jamaica from Randall White about
the meeting of the CARICOM Conference, the more than two dozen nations
in the Caribbean, who have sent this communication.
It reads: ``The CARICOM prime minister's press conference ended at
about 1330 EST today after meetings which began yesterday and about
midday.
``Here are the main points of the press conference.'' This is
CARICOM, of which Haiti is a Member.
``A communique is being drafted and will be issued later.
``CARICOM does not accept the removal of Aristide and demands the
immediate return of democratic government in Haiti.
``CARICOM leaders have been in almost constant contact with Aristide
before his removal and were never given the impression that he wished
to resign or to leave Haiti.
``CARICOM demands an impartial transparent investigation by the
United Nations into the circumstances surrounding Aristide's removal.
``CARICOM will have no dealings with the so-called government of
Haiti.''
Mr. Speaker, I include the communication from Randall White for the
Record:
The Caricom prime minister's press conference ended at
about 1330 EST after meetings which began yesterday and ended
about midday today. I must confess pleasure and some surprise
at the strength of the response.
Here are the main points of the press conference. A
communique is begin drafted and will be issued later.
Caricom does not accept the removal of Aristide and demands
the immediate return of democratic government in Haiti.
Caricom leaders had been in almost constant contact with
Aristide before his removal and were never given the
impression that he wished to resign or leave Haiti.
Caricom demands an impartial transparent investigation, by
the UN, into the circumstances surrounding Aristide's
removal.
Caricom will have no dealings with the so-called government
of Haiti.
Seems like a good strong statement.
That reminds me that in our visit to the United Nations to meet with
the esteemed Secretary General, Kofi Annan, it was announced today that
they, too, have launched an investigation into this matter.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I want to thank you for reading
that, and I will tell you how important CARICOM is to the economy here
in the United States. We have what we call the Free Trade of the
Americas, and they are a part of the whole hemisphere and economy and
everything. We need the Caribbean with us.
Prime minister Patterson of Jamaica put forth a great effort as a
neighbor to Haiti of wanting to see a resolution, a peaceful
resolution. It was the Bush administration that rode in on the backs of
CARICOM saying that we are going to use the CARICOM agreement. That is
what the Secretary of State Noriega went down to Haiti to negotiate.
Prime minister P.J. Patterson went to the Security Council on Friday of
last week saying we must immediately go into Haiti to secure the
situation so that we can resolve the CARICOM agreement, which was the
political solution.
To his shock and dismay Saturday evening came about, and I will tell
you there is no secret, there have been press accounts, that basically
President Aristide was told the following: ``One, get on the plane and
leave and save the lives of you and your family; or die.''
Now, this is the bicentennial, as the gentleman from New York (Mr.
Meeks) knows, of Haiti, 200 years. On this 200th anniversary, or
bicentennial, history is going to reflect that the United States played
a hand in what possibly could have been the 33rd coup d'etat of Haiti.
I personally did not want our contribution to be that, especially
since Haiti made it possible for us to make the Louisiana Purchase by
taking out and beating down Napoleon, who was trying to run the whole
world. Haiti went to Savannah to help us gain our independence against
the British.
We got all upset with France over Iraq, talking about they do not
appreciate our contributions of the past. I will say that the way we
are going about it, I will not even say ``we,'' because I do not think
this Congress would have even moved in this way, if we had the
prerogative to have some say in this, in the way the administration
moved.
So, Mr. Chairman, I am glad you put that into the Record of the
Congress, so Americans will have an opportunity to reflect back on this
moment to know that there were Members who were willing to bring this
issue to the floor to let them know that history should not repeat
itself.
Mr. MEEKS of New York. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will yield
further, I think that CARICOM really should be applauded, because they
really stepped up to the plate. They could have sat back and said just
let it be. They could have been silent, as we were, up until that
point, because we did not push CARICOM or anything.
We are the largest democracy on the planet. Yet we did not go in
there to urge any kind of diplomatic or political solution. It took the
nations of CARICOM to step up to the plate and say, ``Look, we do not
want mayhem and violence. We understand the history and significance of
Haiti. Therefore, we are going to come up with this plan and try to get
two people to the table.''
Who dropped the ball? Unfortunately, this administration dropped the
ball, because it did absolutely nothing to urge the opposition to come
to the table. In fact, by its silence it said, ``You do not have to
come to the table,'' which one knew then would lead to a result of what
could possibly be the 33rd coup d'etat in the history of Haiti.
When we look at it, the question is, what if anything could have been
done
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by Aristide at that time, because he agreed to everything. First the
bishops came with an agreement. Aristide agreed to it. The opposition
disagreed. No one compelled them to come to the table. Then CARICOM
came. Then there was an international group that came. You would have
one side there saying we are willing to talk.
I for one had some problems with what was going on, and I thought
having some more people involved in government and making sure there is
a balance of power, that is what democracy was all about. As I looked
at the CARICOM agreement, I saw there were concessions in there that
individuals who may have felt they were locked out of government and
not able to participate in a democratic process, that they were given,
and that was going to be part of the negotiating peace, where they
would be given the opportunity to sit in a floor similar to what we
have here in the United States of America, in Haiti, so they could have
the political debate to argue one side to the other.
Now, for sure, in my estimation, I do not agree with most of the
things that the Republicans in our House do, as far as what they are
moving. But we do not get into armed revolt. What we do is talk about
it and debate on the floor and I have an opportunity to participate.
Sometimes I even question the opportunity to participate because we are
limited in our rules. But still it is the democratic process. It is the
institution that we have. I think that is how problems should be
resolved, and that is what we should urge people to do.
I said for a long time that I disagreed with the results that took
place in the year 2000, where I believe that we had a President that
was selected by the Supreme Court. I disagreed with that. But I thought
that the way that we responded when we said okay, I disagree with it,
but the Supreme Court is what our institutions say where there a
dispute it is to be resolved. So even the fact that I disagreed with
what took place and with the decision, I am going to agree with that.
That would be a lesson, an example, for the rest of the world to see,
and thereby we should then also encourage other individuals to
establish these kinds of institutions and to support them and not
undermine them with common crooks and criminals.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. I have two points and a question for the
chairman. Two points: Number one, President Aristide was recognized not
only by the U.S. Ambassador, I want to recap, as the duly elected
President of Haiti, but also recognized by the United Nations and the
international community as being the President of Haiti. So when we
hear these arguments about a questionable election, I do not say
history speaks to that as it relates to our diplomatic ties with Haiti.
Mr. Ranking Member, whom I refer to as ``chairman'' constantly, the
gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Conyers), I have a question for you: Let
us just play ``what if.'' Let us just reflect back, because I was not
in the Congress when William Jefferson Clinton was the President of the
United States of America.
If there was a Saturday night visit by the Clinton administration to
a democratically elected leader, what kind of Congressional hearings
would be taking place right now on the Hill? I just want the gentleman
to share that. I want the Record to reflect that, because I remember
being a member of the State legislature a number of hearings for less.
I yield to the gentleman from Michigan.
Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Well, first of all, we want to commend the subcommittee chairman, the
gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Ballenger), for doing what he did
today. I think it was very important. We will have a transcript of that
record, the media was there, and it is an important beginning. But the
gentlewoman from California (Ms. Lee) and myself, who are the co-chairs
of the Haiti Committee, will have a resolution circulating tomorrow
calling for an independent examination of this over and above the
Congress.
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The United Nations will be embarking on the same thing. And so it
seems to me that the three things I wanted to add as we conclude, and
this is what I think has been the import of this 3-way discussion this
evening: one, the safety of the President of Haiti and his wife in the
Republic of Africa; two, that we have an immediate meeting with
Secretary of State Powell and Ridge about the temporary protected
status of anybody that flees from Haiti and comes to our shores; and,
three, that we continue the introduction of the resolution that will
call for, in addition to any congressional activity in the House or the
Senate, an independent examination of the circumstances of the United
States in terms of this coup d'etat that has occurred in Haiti.
If there are other items to add, I would be pleased to add them to
this list.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I just want to say that it is
important that we try not in our democracy to revisit the kind of
action as I understand it has taken place over the last 84 hours. While
we are speaking into the record, I want to commend not only the
Secretary of the U.N. for his forward progress and concern and in
appointing a special envoy to deal with this situation in Haiti. But it
is going to be upon this Congress to be able to respond in the way that
we should. We cannot have it both ways. We cannot say, Haitians, you
stay in Haiti and then on the other hand clog up assistance. We cannot
say, because it is all wrapped around Haitians leaving, that is the
real issue. Haitians, stay in Haiti. Deal with your own issues, but we
will hold up the assistance. I say that again because that is what has
happened in the past, Mr. Speaker.
I appreciate the gentleman's work as chairman of the working group as
it relates to Haiti and its issues. But the gentleman from New York
(Mr. Meeks) and I celebrate representing a large Haitian American
population, and I must say that it is important that we do the right
thing in Haiti.
Number one, to make sure our troops are not over there for the rest
of their lives. Because if we follow the Bush policy that has been
followed in Iraq, we do not know when the clock will run out on that.
We do not know how long our troops will be there. If you let some of us
tell it, we think we are in charge in Iraq. And every day on the news
it is different.
So when I look at this administration, it is a say-one-thing-and-do-
another administration. And I hope that the American people are paying
very close attention. If you care about Haiti or not, you have to care
about the moves that we are making that are going to define the very
future of our children's and grandchildren's lives based on the knee-
jerk decisions that are being made on a Saturday night.
Mr. MEEKS of New York. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentleman, as
well as the ranking member, the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Conyers),
when I think about the whole Haitian task force.
Number one, the record should reflect that this is the gentleman's
first term in Congress, and he surely has followed right in the foot
steps of his mother, Carrie Meek, who long stood fighting for the
rights of Haitians and talking about the injustice that Haitians were
receiving. And I think that his stepping forward on behalf of the
Haitian people is clearly what he has done.
We talked in the hearing about the wisdom that the gentleman has
brought to the hearing today and that he brings every Wednesday to the
Congressional Black Caucus meeting because the gentleman has this
interdialogue with individuals from his community, the largest Haitian
community on or in our country. And what the gentleman brings is a
different insight. It is an insight that unless you have that kind of
interaction, everybody would not know of. And the gentleman has done it
in such an articulate manner, and we appreciate it.
I mean, how the gentleman pointed out today, for example, that our
policy, we had a problem talking about getting troops there to stop the
common crooks from coming, but we had boats there instantly where you
can see them from the shore to stop Haitians from coming here. That is
why you only see 900 here. That was just very astute of the gentleman,
and we thank him for bringing that forward.
Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, I would like to join the gentleman from New
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York (Mr. Meeks) in that commendation to the gentleman from Florida
(Mr. Meek).
Mr. MEEK of Florida. If the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Conyers)
could yield while I call my mother so she can watch. Both of the
gentlemen are saying these wonderful things about me. Go ahead.
Mr. CONYERS. This has been very important; and, of course, it is very
clear that this is the beginning of our inquiries into U.S. activities,
conduct, action, in front of and behind the scenes with regard to this
poor, distraught, economically strapped nation.
We have a much wider obligation than has been employed so far, and I
think the Congressional Black Caucus, the Hispanic Caucus which has
joined with us, the Progressive Caucus, the Pacific-Asian caucus, the
Native American Caucus, we have all been working together with a number
of people. The gentlewoman from Illinois (Ms. Schakowsky) is in at
least one of those caucuses, but there are a number of other people
that are coming in to join us because democracy is being tested by what
we do and what we say.
It is very important. We met with the CARICOM leaders and its
chairman, just before we met in the United Nations; and it was very
obvious to them that if this could happen to Haiti, it could happen to
them.
Mr. MEEKS of New York. Just on that point, because, I think it is
important, on the whole western hemisphere because the first statement
that we heard from President Chavez from Venezuela is indicating that
Venezuela is not Haiti. Because just in April of 2003, there was an
attempted coup there, again, threatening democracy; and we stood idly
by. And but for the people of Venezuela who decided that they were not
going to allow the coup to stand and put the president back, we were
silent on that.
Our hands were kind of caught, the administration's hands I should
say, because the gentleman is correct. I do not think the Congress
would have acted that way, but the administration's hand was caught in
a cookie jar. Here we come just a few months, we move from that, and we
have the same kind of coup. There is a lot of similarities in that,
whereas we seem to disregard the institution of democracy because of
the dislike of who happens to be the democratically elected president.
What we should be doing is looking to see how we can strengthen those
institutions of democracy, how we can be helpful to strengthen those
institutions as opposed to saying that the way you do that is to have a
coup d'etat which gets rid of government altogether and causes mayhem.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. Let me just say this, there is a footprint of
drug activity in the Caribbean. So that means that you have well-
financed individuals that have guns that have now been green-lighted by
this administration, that it is okay. And if I were the prime minister
of any country in that area, I would be very concerned.
You would assume that the U.S. would help put a stop to this kind of
thing. This is the vacation capital of the Caribbean. They are not used
to worrying about coups and all these little different things. But if
they watch very slowly over a 4-week period, drug dealers, known
criminals, thugs going through Haiti and if you notice as they are
starting to progress, they are getting body armor, helmets, fully
automatic AR-15s, M-16s.
Mr. MEEKS of New York. Where do they come from?
Mr. MEEK of Florida. They say they came from the Dominican Republic.
Also, there was a question about the U.S. selling arms to the Dominican
Republic, some of those same arms that ended up in Haiti.
So I am not a man with conspiracy theory here. And take it from my
good friend, the gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel), this is not the
Kendrick Meek Report. This is factual. So we have a lot to be worried
about. And like I am saying to Americans, what this administration is
doing as it relates to putting our armed services and making the job
harder, we could have had peacekeeping troops in there. We could have
stopped the violence, and we could have come up with a peaceful
solution.
Mr. CONYERS. Under the Special Orders that we will be taking tomorrow
evening, I will be able to report to you the whereabouts of young
Duvalier, who is reported today to be planning to return to Haiti. And
there is a young gentleman evicted from Haiti named Constant in New
York.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. He is in my district.
Mr. CONYERS. We have to watch where he is at all times. His record is
bloody and long and unsavory. And so I am very glad that both of the
gentleman, who have enormous Haitian constituents, are here not just
because of their numbers, but because American democracy is on trial in
Haiti.
Mr. MEEK of Florida. As we close, Mr. Speaker, and I want to thank
the Members of the House and the Democratic leader for allowing us to
have this moment to address not only Members of the House, but the
American people and that we think long and hard about the decisions
that the President is making. We think we should not automatically give
instant credibility to Saturday-night decisions.
I am pretty sure there is a strong argument to justify the reason why
we went in and we told President Aristide what we told him when we told
him. I am pretty sure that there is a strong argument when we said you
have to sign this letter of resignation not once, but twice, before you
board the plane to save your own life. I am pretty sure there is an
argument. But I will tell you as we look on the annals of history of
this country and how we treat democracies, like it or not, there has to
be a better way. For us to make sure that we assure the safety of those
peacekeeping troops that are there, some that are Americans, some that
are do-gooders at the United Nations, we need to make sure that we do
not put them in harm's way.
Mr. Speaker, I pray and I hope that we do not have any harm come to
any of the peacekeepers that are there. I pray and hope that the
killings stop on both sides of the ball as it relates to Haitian
people.
Mr. Speaker, with that I will close. I am proud to be a Member of the
U.S. House of Representatives, and I hope in the future that we can
change some of the mistakes that have been made in the last 84 hours.
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