[Congressional Record Volume 149, Number 131 (Tuesday, September 23, 2003)]
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NOT ALL DOOM AND GLOOM IN IRAQ
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Murphy). Under the Speaker's announced
policy of January 7, 2003, the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Kennedy)
is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, this last Sunday in the
Minneapolis Star Tribune on the front page of the opinion section was a
picture in Iraq, and above this picture it says, ``Look at this
picture. What do you see?'' And then it lists a couple of
counterpoints, including one from myself. If you look at the picture,
you see a market in Mosul, and you see some fruits up front, you see
some women dressed in clean, neat clothes. You see a market with the
shelves full, and you see a U.S. soldier from the 101st Airborne
watching over that market and making sure that it stays secure.
Some in this Chamber have expressed doom and gloom as to what they
see. As we listen to the articles in the paper and the TV and the
radio, too often we hear that saying, doom and gloom. But there is a
different picture that I am going to try to, with several of my
colleagues, bring out today. Those who have been to Iraq, as I have,
and many of my colleagues, have seen a different picture. There are two
sides to this story, and I would argue that the story of advancement,
of progress, of moving towards a democracy and an open government, an
open economy, is the more accurate picture.
I was challenged recently by someone back home in Minnesota who said,
Mark, why is not anybody else saying anything positive about Iraq? And
my answer would be, well, I am not sure that anybody is reaching beyond
some of the press they are getting, because not everybody is going to
Iraq, not everybody is looking at other sources. Mr. Speaker, it was
Thomas Jefferson who said that you would be better educated if you read
nothing than if you read nothing but papers, newspapers, and that is,
unfortunately, the case in this situation.
Mr. Speaker, the press does a better job of reporting crashes than
landings. We are certainly having great reporting of the crashes, but
the landings and the progress that we have seen, with progress towards
quality of life, progress towards getting Iraqis governing themselves,
and progress towards more stability, more freedom in a country that is
very diverse and has great potential is something that we are going to
try to bring out here today.
As I mentioned, I will have several folks joining me, and I would,
first of all, like to welcome the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey)
for some comments that he has.
Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Minnesota. The
gentleman has actually been to Iraq, he has been to Baghdad, and he has
seen on the ground many of these things of which we are speaking about
tonight. As the gentleman points out, we are not really getting, if you
rely just on 24-hour news and the newspapers and coverage, we are not
really getting the whole picture, the full picture. I am glad that the
gentleman was part of a group that recently was in Iraq who could see
for themselves and understand that, as he points out, how much progress
is being made.
Mr. Speaker, there is a lot of discussion, of course, about where the
weapons of mass destruction are, where is Saddam Hussein, and, of
course, we want answers to those questions. But what the public needs
to understand is that progress is definitely being made. Nobody denies
the existence of Saddam Hussein, and I think we will ultimately find
him. But let me just point out a little bit of information that I think
is important on this issue.
The Iraq Survey Group is tasked with the search for the weapons of
mass destruction. The ISG has between 600 and 800 personnel in Iraq and
is headed by former U.N. inspector David Kay. The Iraq Survey Group's
highest priority is the hunt for weapons of mass destruction. They have
formed quick reaction teams to explore sites indicated by intelligence.
The Coalition Provision Authority has actually offered a reward of up
to $25 million for the capture of Saddam Hussein. And, of course, this
same type of incentive is what led to the finding and the killing of
Uday and Qusay.
So a lot of progress is being made. We have the inspectors on the
ground, and we are following up on every lead. This is just one of the
things that I wanted to point out, and the gentleman from Minnesota, of
course, knows that because he has been there and he has seen it.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, one of the first things I did
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when we landed in Baghdad was I asked the general in charge there, I
said, how are things here relative to what we are hearing back home?
And he said, with a combination of disgust and disappointment, that it
is total distortion. There are so many things that are going on
positive here. We in our group saw that. We had a bipartisan group of
11 Members. We went to Mosul, to Tikrit, to Babylon. We drove around in
Baghdad, visited the police academy, visited the hospital, met with
folks from Iraq who had recently been elected to city councils and to
provincial councils, and what we saw was progress in every direction.
As we flew over Iraq at night, the lights were on. As we drove through
even Baghdad, the markets were up. There were cars and, in fact,
traffic jams even in Baghdad as people were getting on with their
lives.
As we went up to Mosul, we went in a garden variety tour bus, 11
Members of Congress, through the markets of Mosul, and, for the most
part, most of the citizens did not really pay much attention to us.
They were just going about their normal life in the progress of
rebuilding. We passed by schools and hospitals that were rebuilt.
So having all of the hospitals up and running again and the schools
up and running is great progress, and that is something I was very
pleased to see. I know the gentleman as a physician can appreciate what
we are doing on the health care side, and I think on all of those
fronts we are making great process.
Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will yield, yes, and I am
so glad the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Kennedy) brought that up,
because there are some 240-some hospitals in Iraq, and many of them are
being brought back on line, and there is a lot of work that is being
done. The gentleman points out the fact that schools are being built,
hospitals are being reopened. Much of the infrastructure is markedly
improved.
Electricity is an example. I think currently there are 3,200
megawatts of electricity being generated. The prewar level was 4,000.
The national demand is estimated to be 6,000, but the Coalition
Provision Authority plans to reach 4,000 megawatts by August. Baghdad
is receiving, the city of Baghdad, 1,200 megawatts. Prewar levels were
2,500, averaging 3 hours on and 3 hours off each day.
So we are definitely making progress, as the gentleman points out,
and not only in the infrastructure, but, as he also mentions, in health
care, and in water as well. Much of Iraq is at prewar water level
supply levels now. There is no critical shortage of water.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, I would say the gentleman is
absolutely right on all of those counts. One of the reasons that
possibly explains why we get such negative press is that Iraq, like
America, is a very diverse country, with a lot of different ethnic
groups and different regions throughout the country. And one of those,
the Sunni Arabs from which Saddam came, represents about 15 percent or
maybe 20 percent of the total population, and that group as a whole
received preferential treatment. So as we compare their state today
versus where they were before, it is not quite as attractive as the
Shiites in the south that were really abused and tortured and done
things to that one would not even want to describe in some cases, but
some of them as vicious as rerouting the river so that they could not
cultivate their crops. Similarly, the Kurds in the north were treated
in a like fashion.
There were three electrical grids in Iraq prior to us coming in
there, and even today; one electrical grid to make sure that all of
Saddam's palaces, his almost 50 palace compounds, were lit up around
the country. The second was for the Sunni areas around Baghdad, because
Baghdad was a showcase to the world to show the world that ``I have a
great country here.'' And the third went to the southern and northern
regions if there was any left over. Now today, of course, we are
treating everybody equal. So in and around Baghdad, it might not be
quite up to their preferential status they received before the war, but
in the 80, 85 percent of the rest of the country, they are doing
significantly better.
We also have a situation in Baghdad that really is not talked about
enough, and that is that 100,000 criminals, we are talking murderers
and rapists and thieves, were let out just before the Americans took
over, and their records destroyed, so that these criminals are
wandering around the city causing untold havoc to the native Iraqis,
making it a much riskier environment than it was before, as well as
cheap criminals for hire to go after our soldiers. So within Baghdad,
it is a much more challenging situation. It is much more difficult. It
is much more risky.
Unfortunately, like any capital, that is where most of the press are.
But I have to tell my colleagues, when one goes out beyond Baghdad, it
is a lot calmer. One does not hear the reports of the attacks on
American troops out there. They are working with the natives. They are
making great progress. I remember driving down one country road and
having several children run down the country driveway to come waving at
us and showing their appreciation. And I have talked to many Members,
even on the other side of the aisle, who have said one of the things
that struck them most was just how appreciative the Iraqis were,
particularly outside of Baghdad.
So there is good progress. It is not evenly distributed around the
country, but that is because Saddam was not evenly treating people in
the fashion that Americans have come to expect.
Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, I think the gentleman has pointed out
something that is very important in regard to the fact that Saddam
Hussein, at the outset of the conflict, just opened the prison doors. I
mean, he just literally opened those prison doors and turned all of
these bad guys, and when I say bad guys, I am talking about murderers,
onto the streets of Baghdad, particularly in the population center.
Now, one can just imagine if we did that in this country. In my home
State of Georgia, if we just all of a sudden opened that Federal
penitentiary in Atlanta and let all of these people out on the street,
the number of attacks, assault, battery, assault with a deadly weapon,
murder, rape that would occur in the city of Atlanta, and one can
understand. One begins to get, I think, a better picture.
But as the gentleman points out, there is not mass chaos in Baghdad.
We have, yes, some very difficult things to deal with, as the gentleman
from Minnesota (Mr. Kennedy) points out, Mr. Speaker. But let me give
my colleagues this information about security and force protection that
we have begun to restructure.
Coalition forces are on the offensive. They are putting constant
pressure on the enemy to disrupt some of these attacks. The coalition
forces are also deterring attacks with aggressive patrolling, cordons,
and raids based on actionable intelligence. I do not think anything is
more important than intelligence, and we are beginning to get that.
Currently the Coalition Provisional Authority has actually hired some
32,000 police officers nationwide, and 28,000 are already on the
streets. The ultimate goal, by the way, is some 61,000. The police are
conducting joint patrols with coalition forces.
So this picture that is being painted of mass chaos and everything on
the backs of our brave American fighting force, they are doing a great
job; they are doing a great job, but they are not doing it completely
on their own. As I point out, we are hiring, we are putting Iraqi
security forces on the street, and ultimately they will do the job.
They will restore order for their own country.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Georgia is
very correct. Our soldiers are doing a fabulous job. They are rightly
proud of the great work they are doing, and they are not alone. We have
long known that the British have had a region of the country around
Basra. But while we were there, down in Babylon, also in southern Iraq,
they were preparing to turn that region over from the 1st Marine
Expeditionary Force, which came in with the initial assault, and turn
that over to a Polish-led division, and that has happened.
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The Spanish are helping them, and just recently this week the
remaining portion around Nasref was handed over to the Spanish, which
was with that Polish division. So two of the six regions of the country
are already being
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administered by our allies, by a group of almost 30 countries that are
providing 20, 25,000 troops; but the gentleman is absolutely correct.
The solution here is to have Iraqis protecting Iraqis, and while we
were in Baghdad we met with the police academy; and Bernie Kerik, the
former police commissioner from the city of New York City, is there on
the ground in charge of helping to train these Iraqis. One of the most
emotional statements that I heard during my whole trip there was when
we were talking to the Iraqi general in charge of the police that are
helping to secure Iraq right now.
He says as they come through the academy and they learn about the
things that we take for granted here in Minnesota from our great police
forces around the country and teach them respect for civilians, not to
torture, civilian authority, so many other things to keep us secure and
protect our civil liberties as well, he says, When they come, I
challenge them to be heroes. He says, When I tell them about what a
hero is, a hero is somebody who leaves their family, leaves their wife,
leaves their children, leaves their parents, lives their familiarity of
home and goes to a strange land, suffer through tremendous heat,
tremendous deprivations and puts their life at risk for a stranger.
Hearing from him how appreciative he was for our soldiers, our
Marines that are doing that each and every day and how he holds those
men and women up as their heroes was a great comfort and a great
reassurance to me, but it is not just from the police. We are adding
them on the border patrol. We are adding civil defense units to guard
units to take our troops out of those regions and have Iraqis
protecting Iraq, and we are seeing that.
We had a second unfortunate attempt to bomb the U.N. headquarters in
Baghdad; and if we see who it was that unfortunately lost their life in
that attempt, it was the bomber himself and an Iraqi policeman that was
on guard doing exactly what my colleague was talking about, guarding
the treasures of Iraq, guarding their own security and protecting their
own citizens. We are moving as fast as we can in that direction. They
are taking it on very willingly, and that is a very positive step.
Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, I am glad the gentleman mentioned about the
heroism of our troops and of course some 130,000; and of course, he
also pointed out that there are about 25,000 from other countries,
indeed some I think the gentleman said maybe 20-or-so other countries,
obviously the Brits, the Pols, and that is growing every day; but there
is just no question that the commitment of the coalition forces and our
own troops is strong.
They know what the mission is; and obviously, loved ones back home,
spouses, parents, grandparents, they are concerned. Their youngsters,
their loved ones are in harm's way. Sure, they want them to come back
home and they will come back home; but they know what their mission is,
just as our men in World War II and the Korean conflict and other wars
that we have been engaged in, they are committed and they will stay the
course. I just could not be prouder of the job that they are doing
there.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. I could not be prouder either and the
gentleman is right. We have 130-or-so thousand, from I think it is up
to 30 countries now. It is about 55,000 Iraqis on the job making sure
that Iraqis are safe, and that number is growing. I think it is the
Czech Republic that stepped forward to train another 25,000-or-so on a
police program up in their country and get them more on duty to guard
their own country.
One of the other things that is really very gratifying is that our
soldiers are working with the people to make the country better; and as
they go on these raids that the gentleman spoke of earlier and they are
collecting a million dollars here, a hundred million dollars there as
part of those raids of money that was stolen from the American people,
they are putting it back to work on projects there in Iraq. In fact,
there are 6,000 projects that have been completed and these might be
cleaning up the school, making it more presentable and safe and a
better learning environment, helping with the hospitals. We were in a
neonatal institute there in Baghdad. Helping the water be a little bit
cleaner, buying a fire engine for the local fire department, buying
equipment for the local police department, on and on and on these
projects are going on.
My favorite was the 101st Airborne brought 10,000 Screaming Eagle
soccer balls for the children to have something to play with, but these
are helping to move that forward in an endless number of ways and
really making it a better country each day and I think helping to
really have a positive working relationship between our brave men and
women in uniform and the Iraqi people.
Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to talk a little bit about the
cost. Of course, the President is coming to Congress now and asking for
a supplemental appropriation to continue the efforts to win this war on
terrorism, not only in Iraq and Baghdad but also in Afghanistan and
really in the entire world. We hear a lot of discussion obviously
about, well, how can we afford 87 additional billion dollars to
continue this effort, and I want to just talk to the gentleman a little
bit about that and maybe get into a discussion about cost and putting
this in its proper perspective.
Obviously, $87 billion is a big number and the question comes up, we
hear it all the time, can the United States afford this war and
continue to do everything else the President calls for? The answer is
yes, in my opinion. We cannot afford not to do what is necessary to win
the war against terror, ensure a sustained economic recovery, and
secure the homeland. The funding for the war is necessary and
significant; but keep in mind, it is a temporary cost, and the cost of
fighting the war is well below the cost of previous conflicts. In fact,
$87 billion is less than 4 percent of the entire Federal budget.
I think it is important, Mr. Speaker, that people understand the
total cost of the 9/11 attack. We are talking about hundreds of
billions of dollars in costs just from that act of terrorism, and one
study even pegged the cost to our economy of well over $2 trillion. So
we know that this effort that we are conducting in Iraq, this war
against terrorism there, better there than on our own soil, and our
continued expenditures for homeland security, it is a big number but it
is small in comparison to what it would cost us and the devastating
effect on this economy should we have another 9/11 occur anytime soon.
So I think it is real important that we put that in perspective, and
I would like for the gentleman to speak to that if he would.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, I would absolutely agree. The
issue we have is we have a situation where we have a country that is in
desperate need and has traditionally been a source of frustration for
its own neighbors, disrupting the security of its own neighbors and
contributing to terrorism and making us less safe here at home.
The question that I would have is when FDR decided that we were going
to take Hitler out of Germany, did we ask how much it was going to
cost? As I hear our friends on the other side of the aisle lambasting
what is going on and lambasting the costs, it is a terrible cost to
pay. I do not want to have to pay anything like that. It is something
we have to watch over closely and make sure it is well spent, but we
cannot not afford to pay it, and when they are talking, I say what if
this was FDR? What if this was World War II? Would the same thing not
apply?
If we look at what we did in Germany, what we did in Japan, we had
the best track record of setting a region anew, setting a country anew.
In the 50 years before 1945, Germany had helped initiate two world wars
where millions of people had died. In the 50 years since, they have
been a great contributor to prosperity, to world peace, a great friend
and neighbor and a great friend of ours. We can say the same thing
about Japan.
I have the very real sense that what will happen with our success,
that we cannot afford to fail, we must win, we must create a democracy
in Iraq, that we will have that same stark contrast between a
disruptive past and a future that will benefit the region as much as it
has in the past.
Mr. GINGREY. The gentleman is so right, and of course, people want to
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say, well, we have not found any weapons of mass destruction, we have
not killed or captured Saddam Hussein, so we have not accomplished the
mission, the reason we went there; but of course, that was never the
reason. As the gentleman from Minnesota points out, the reason for
being there was to rid that part of the world of a dictator, of a
tyrant; and of course, although we have not found a cache of weapons of
mass destruction, in the process of looking, we have certainly found
lots of evidence of mass destruction, that is, bodies, mass graves,
where Saddam Hussein has murdered his own people.
As the gentleman points out, the main purpose is to bring some
stability to the Middle East and to that part of the world as we effect
this regime change; and make no doubt about it, that mission has been
accomplished, and I wanted to just speak a little bit more, continue in
that vein on cost, and it is actually estimated that since the Gulf War
10 years ago that the cost of containing Saddam Hussein, and that cost
would be continuing if we were not rid of him, that cost over that 10-
year period cost Americans at least $30 billion, $30 billion from the
end of the Gulf War to the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, for
the military forces stationed in the Persian Gulf, patrols over the no-
fly zone and, of course, associated costs.
So just appeasing, or if we want to say containing, Saddam and
maintaining the status quo, as so many of our allies of the United
Nations, countries who have been our friends and I think will continue
to be our friends, that appeasement, that stance of do nothing and
taking a chance and letting a sleeping dog lie was costing us, over a
10-year period of time, $30 billion; and those costs were just going to
escalate.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. The gentleman is absolutely right. The cost
of freedom is high, but the cost of not defending freedom is far
greater, and I appreciate the gentleman bringing up the mass graves.
Our soldiers over there, part of what really drives the fact is that
they know they are there for a reason, and they are proud of what they
are doing is having seen mass graves. One stands in front of a mass
grave, as we did in our group in Babylon where there was 3,000 bodies
recovered, 2,100 of them identified but 900 just reburied with whatever
personal effects were remaining, were left in plastic bags on top for
someone to try to identify them afterwards, and that is out of what
they expect to find a 3 to 500,000-people mass grave, a million three
people missing. This is out of a country with a population of 26
million where most people can tell you they know somebody who is no
longer around, and that is the kind of grave, grave tragedy that we
have recovered them from.
I am very pleased that we have been joined today by our good friend,
the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Wilson), who I know has been to
Iraq even more recently than I have and has some thoughts to share with
us on this subject.
Mr. WILSON of South Carolina. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. I yield to the gentleman from South
Carolina.
Mr. WILSON of South Carolina. Mr. Speaker, it is an honor to be here
tonight. I want to thank my colleague, the gentleman from Minnesota
(Mr. Kennedy), for asking me to be here tonight. Prior to my visit to
Iraq, the gentleman was very helpful to brief me on what to expect,
what to look for. He was very incisive, he was very knowledgeable, and
it certainly made the visit I had very helpful.
Mr. Speaker, the central front in the war on terror is being fought
in Iraq, and I was honored to be selected by the gentleman from
Missouri (Mr. Skelton), the Committee on Armed Services ranking
Democrat, to serve on a delegation last week to newly liberated Iraq.
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Our troops are heroes of an historic military victory and I was
privileged to see firsthand how they are professionally conducting
peacekeeping as they enable democracy to develop in Iraq.
This is not a war we sought, Mr. Speaker, but is a direct consequence
of the September 11 attacks on America, leading to our fulfilling the
President's plan to stop any country from harboring or supporting
terrorists. As my colleague from Minnesota stated a moment ago, this is
a war we must win. It is a war we can face head on in the terrorist
breeding grounds overseas or it will return in full force on American
soil.
As I met in Baghdad with Lt. General Ricardo Sanchez, the commander
of coalition forces in Iraq, I was impressed by our military competence
and resolve. At each stop we met with top military Iraqi and coalition
civilian officials, but a highlight was to meet informally with troops
of all ranks from our home States. I was startled that instead of
patrolling streets by remote armed vehicles, our soldiers were walking
the sidewalks, really getting to know the people, who are favorable 70
to 90 percent to our presence, and this has led to improved human
intelligence, reducing terrorist attacks, Mr. Speaker.
When I asked General Sanchez about media reports of being mired, he
responded very forcefully that this was untrue because real progress is
being made. From his perspective, and that of Major General David
Patraeus at Mosul, the coalition efforts are progressing much more
quickly than what they had experienced in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Daily administration of Iraq is capably led by Ambassador Paul Bremer
of the Coalition Provisional Authority. His leadership has coordinated
recruiting over 60,000 new Iraqi security forces and initiating over
6,000 community development programs for hospitals, schools, electrical
transmission, business development, and road improvements.
From South Carolina, we are very proud that Columbia attorney George
Wolfe, counsel of the U.S. treasury, is detailed to the Authority in
Baghdad. He is helping coordinate currency conversion of tons of
Hussein dinars to be replaced by new money beginning this month.
Following World War II, it took nearly 3 years to convert German
Deutschmarks, but the coalition will complete this feat in only 5
months.
The Iraqi Governing Council has been formed of 25 supporters of
democracy to begin the process of self-government. It was encouraging
on our delegation at the Al-Rashid Hotel to meet at a reception with
Chairman Ahmad Chalabi.
Since the fall of Saddam's dictatorship, more than 90 percent of
Iraqi municipalities have elected town councils, and I met courageous
supporters of democracy serving as mayors, council members, and
provincial governors as we toured Baghdad and then visited Al Hillah to
the south and Mosul to the north. Traveling by helicopter, I could see
markets filled with people, bridges left intact with heavy traffic and
minimal war damage.
Visiting Al Hillah, I met the Polish general who is commanding over
20,000 coalition forces from 32 countries. In ancient Babylon, we were
welcomed by religious university president Sayyed Qizwini, a descendant
of Mohammed, who explained that Americans are revered as liberators.
Then, as a chilling reminder of the Hussein dictatorship, the local
governor escorted us to a mass grave site where thousands of women and
children were slaughtered by the regime, which was cited a few minutes
ago by my distinguished colleague, the gentleman from Georgia (Mr.
Gingrey).
Following meetings at the palaces of Hussein, which have been
transformed into Coalition military headquarters, I was glad to see the
vibrancy of Mosul, the northern city of 1.8 million people, which had
been the ancient capital of Nineveh of the Assyrian Empire. We attended
the reopening of Kisik refinery, where 300 new jobs were restored. The
refinery was abandoned 4 years ago, but is back on line producing fuel
to trade with Syria for electricity to be sent to Baghdad as the
dilapidated infrastructure is being rebuilt, ignored for decades by
Saddam Hussein as he put more money into his palaces.
As our delegation returned last Tuesday, our transport carried a body
bag containing a soldier who had died in Iraq, a sad reminder of the
courage and sacrifice of our troops. He is a hero, protecting our
homeland overseas from a hate-filled terrorist enemy, which has as its
goal the destruction of modern Western democracy. His service should be
an inspiration for Americans to take forcefully the new challenges we
face.
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Again, I would like to conclude by thanking my colleagues here
tonight. They are making excellent points and ones that need to be
brought to the attention of the American people. I want to thank both
of them for making such a difference on behalf of our troops, our
country. Civilization as we know it is under attack, and this is not
the time to quibble, it is a time to stand together, and both of my
colleagues are making a difference.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from
South Carolina. I thank him for going there and finding out the truth
for himself. And I really appreciate your bringing up the elected
governments, because our goal there is to get out. Our goal there is to
turn over the reins to the Iraqis. But we are not going to do that
until there is a constitution that protects the rights of the
minorities, the Assyrian Christians, the Kurdish, and so many other
minorities there, the Turkamens.
Over 90 percent, as the gentleman mentioned, of the town councils
have been elected. One of the things that struck me, and maybe the
gentleman got the same briefing, they have provincial councils up and
running as well. And our troops helped organize those elections, and if
there are, say, 30 members on the provincial council, the leaders of
the town and the province would come together and elect them, but the
generals would hold out, say five to appoint themselves. And that was
to make sure we had women involved, that we had the minorities properly
represented. And we do have women on the Iraqi governing council, women
in the provincial councils.
One of the things that struck me is that the Wall Street Journal
recently published the first poll that was conducted in Iraq, the Zogby
and American Enterprise Magazine did this, and one of the many things
that I took away from that poll is when they asked, Do you want
democracy or not? Women wanted democracy by a far greater percentage
than men. This is a country and a culture that has not always had the
same views towards women that we have in this country. We obviously
respect the great corrections that they are not only applying
throughout our country here, but if you go to Iraq you see many. And I
am sure the gentleman saw many servicewomen doing just fine jobs, great
jobs, and being wonderful examples for the Iraqi people. And I think
that is something that is really another great sign of progress.
Mr. WILSON of South Carolina. What is also very impressive, too, is
that when, in fact, we talk about other countries, such as Germany, and
how we helped restore democracy to Germany, we cannot say that
about Iraq. Iraq has never had a democratic history. So this is a new
challenge. And I think it is extraordinary, as my colleague pointed
out, that the Zogby poll indicated there is a favorable desire.
What I found so impressive in talking to the troops from my home
State of South Carolina, and it was an informal setting, it was not
contrived, there were no ranking officers there to make sure everybody
said the right thing at the right time, they told me in walking the
streets of Baghdad, which was really surprising, again, that they would
be walking the streets of Mosul, that the people really impressed them
as to their education level and their knowledge of issues. So there is
really a bright future because of the people who live in that country
and who deserve a chance.
Another point that was so exciting too, as we flew over by
helicopter, we could see the number of satellite dishes. Prior to
March, with the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime, there were no
satellite dishes. Just as in North Korea, it is illegal to have a
satellite dish in a totalitarian regime. But we saw hundreds, possibly
thousands of satellite dishes, where people could stay in touch with
what is going on in the world. They could receive the various networks
from around the world by satellite. This is a new development which I
think will be encouraging for democracy.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Yes. And, Mr. Speaker, one of the things we
did not see was all the planned-for catastrophes that never happened.
We have challenges, yes, but the dams were not blown up, so they did
not flood everybody down river. The oil refineries and the oil wells
were not blown up, so they are producing. They are maybe not producing
as much as they will in the future, and they are helping to offset the
cost we are incurring. We did not have the tribal warfare everybody
projected.
So there are so many negative things that did not happen at the same
time all these positive things are happening.
Mr. WILSON of South Carolina. And, Mr. Speaker, the gentleman is
being very concise in what he is saying. He is not overstating. The
gentleman did not include the predictions of mass refugee formations
going into Iraq out of Iraq through different regions. And if my
colleagues will remember, there were dire predictions of urban warfare;
there was going to be a massive quagmire. Did not occur. Even the
quagmire that had been announced when we had like a 24-hour pause due
to a sand storm, that did not occur.
Then, finally, of course, there was people who made extraordinary
predictions of mass starvation. That did not occur. And it did not
occur because the American military made substantial planning. The
American government, through U.S. Agency for International Development,
did extraordinary planning. I had the privilege of being last year in
Kuwait in November and learning of the plans that were being made in
the event an invasion was necessary.
I was very fortunate to go back in February to Kuwait and meet with
the troops on the front lines, the 3rd Infantry Division from
Hinesville, Georgia, and the 1st Marine Division, and I saw the
preparation being made for the conflict and then for after the conflict
to avoid the dire consequences that we had heard would occur and did
not occur.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. And the gentleman spoke of the satellite
dishes. They are watching all kinds of channels now that they never saw
before. They are seeing the outside world.
If you ask me, Mr. Speaker, what the average Iraqi thinks, the
average Iraqi is thinking, how do I get to be like Kuwait as quickly as
possible? How do I become a prosperous country? How do I have
everything everybody else has? And it is not just the oil Iraq has. And
I am sure my other colleague saw the same thing, when we looked down
from those helicopters, it was green. They actually grow rice there.
They have enough water between the Tigris and the Euphrates Rivers to
flood fields and grow rice. This was the old supposed Garden of Eden.
This was the cradle of civilization. So we have, really, a region that
has foundations for prosperity, not just oil but water, that can
produce a strong agricultural base as well as industry.
I know my colleague must have in Georgia many industries that rely on
water, and having that diversified economy to employ the people is
something that Iraq is potentially uniquely qualified in that region to
do.
Mr. GINGREY. Well, Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will yield, I think
it is important to point out that in Iraq we are not talking about a
Third World country. We are talking about what we formerly knew as
Mesopotamia, the land between the Tigris and Euphrates. It is one of
the oldest nations on the face of the earth and has had beautiful
civilizations.
This is a situation where a brutal dictator was suppressing, indeed
even killing his own people. And not only his own people, but also the
neighboring countries, where we have moderate Muslim countries that are
friendly and understand the value of life, like Turkey, as an example,
and we mentioned Kuwait, and, of course, other neighbors of Saddam
Hussein. Under this dictator, this regime and its reign of terror, if
you will, these other countries lived in constant fear. And until we
rid Iraq of Saddam, there would never be any opportunity for people to
feel secure.
I am real pleased that the gentleman from South Carolina joined us
this evening, and I commend him. He is one of maybe only 25 percent of
the Members of Congress who is actually a veteran. I know his three
sons also served in the military, and no doubt his teenage boy one day
will. And it is really good to hear in these colloquies, and I know the
gentleman from Minnesota would agree with me, to hear from people like
the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Wilson) who knows the
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military, understands, and who was part of a group that just recently
returned from Baghdad, along with the gentleman from Minnesota, and
with his own eyes, and your own eyes, saw the tremendous job that our
troops, our well-trained troops, our modern technology was able to
perform. They were able to inflict maximal damage with minimal
collateral damage; with laser precision attacks, protecting as many
innocent men, women and children as possible and I commend you.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. And we absolutely saw that. People might
ask if everything is so great over there, why do we need this money to
rebuild Iraq. Well, I want to point out, it was not due to the war.
As we went through Baghdad, and I am sure the gentleman from South
Carolina saw the same things, we saw specific buildings, specific
floors on buildings that were targeted and that were hit, but right
beside that there would be a building standing and continuing in
commerce today.
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But what has caused a need for reconstruction is the fact that Saddam
Hussein spent one-third of total income on armaments, and we are
constantly recovering huge caches of arms in palaces. We were in one
palace complex in Tikrit that had 112 buildings on the palace compound,
each one of which could be called a palace itself. When you spend money
in such awful ways on destructive things and neglect the people, that
is what we are recovering from. We are not recovering from the war.
That damage was very tightly focused, and maybe the gentleman from
South Carolina (Mr. Wilson) can talk about what he saw in Iraq.
Mr. WILSON of South Carolina. Mr. Speaker, that was something very
startling. I was showing pictures to my family of my visit; and I, of
course, had some terrific aerial photos as we were flying by
helicopter. We had a perfect view of the communities. I saw during the
flights that I had six buildings destroyed. I also saw sites where
rubble was pushed up, so I knew there were buildings no longer there.
But the infrastructure is in place. The bridges that had to be
destroyed in Serbia, that did not occur in Iraq. The bridges were in
across the Tigris and the Euphrates.
When we talk about rebuilding, I hope the American people understand
it is not because of the American destruction. The destruction is that
created by Saddam Hussein. For example, in the schools, we are working
very hard to show our good faith to the people of Iraq to get the
schools open on October 1. When we talk about rebuilding the schools,
we are not building beautiful edifices. Many of these schools are one-
room schoolhouses which we are repainting. Particularly in the Shiite
areas, the persons less likely to be followers of Saddam Hussein, their
schools were closed or left to be dilapidated. They are not to American
standards, but they are going to be very fine schools. And very
importantly, the materials they have to learn from will be modern
materials. No longer will the math book have contrived subliminal
messages of how bad America is and how bad the West is. Now it will
deal with math, and history will be authentic. This starts on October
1.
Another part of the rebuilding that the American people should
understand because it was not due to our destruction was the electrical
transmission. Because Saddam Hussein had such a heinous dictatorship,
there were two electrical transmission systems. This is, unfortunately,
a very common occurrence in dictatorships, and that is the palaces had
a system. Additionally, the Baath Socialist Party members, they were on
the system that worked, and then the different government agencies were
on that system, but then the general public was on another system. In
fact, that system had been left in place during the 1930s and the
1940s, built by the British. That system is not only antiquated, it had
rolling power service. The people who got service were the ones who
paid a bribe to the people who administered the power plants. This is a
bizarre circumstance.
It is very difficult, obviously, for Americans to realize there are
two transmission systems. We are going in to help rebuild that system
because it is crucial for economic development. One of the greatest
industries of Iraq is cement production to build buildings and have
commerce. That is a very high-intensive use of electricity. By getting
the electrical transmission, some people perceive that as we are just
trying to provide frills; but, no, we are trying to provide basic
services so the economy can come back.
The bottom line is that is beneficial to America, because, as has
been pointed out, after World War II we had the Marshall Plan. That was
to rebuild Germany. It was not because we were fond of the Germans, but
what it was is that we did not want that to become a breeding ground
for communism, and the way to avoid that is for the economy to be
revived. Our challenge in Iraq is to restore the economy so it will not
be a breeding ground for terrorists.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, as the gentleman mentioned,
with electricity, we are bringing forth that core concept of equal
treatment under the law. No longer does the Baath Party chair or the
Sunni Arabs around Baghdad get their electricity before the rest of the
country. Everybody is being treated equal.
Now the children are also benefiting from those schools. We are not
having Saddam Hussein's picture on every other page of the textbooks.
We have had some very vicious attacks on Iraq by terrorists recently.
This is the new front for the war on terrorism. We are fighting them in
their area of strength. Patton said, do not let the enemy pick where
you are going to fight, bring the battle to them, and we are. But those
terrorists think they are somehow hurting America and dividing us from
the American people, but I sense something completely different.
When they attack the U.N., they are attacking the people who are
trying to help in Iraq. When they attack the Shiite cleric in Najaf,
they are creating a common enemy. The Iraqi people and America have a
common enemy, and these acts are pulling us together toward the same
goal of getting to the point of security and government where everybody
in Iraq, as mentioned, can be equal under the law, and that is the
final goal that we have to achieve before we turn over the reins.
Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will yield, pointing out
the attack on the U.N. Embassy in Baghdad where most of the deaths were
Iraqi citizens, and, of course, the Ambassador from Brazil who had
spent his entire professional life in trying to promote humanitarian
efforts not just in Iraq, but in many, many countries, and for them to
just come in and blow up that U.N. Embassy, and what was the U.N. doing
in Baghdad? They were not a fighting force, they were just there for
humanitarian reasons, that is all; in fact, so humanitarian that they
refused to defend that facility. They did not want it to be guarded.
They did not want it to appear that they were in any way there as a
fighting force. And look what happened to them.
As the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Kennedy) has pointed out, this
killing is wanton, it is indiscriminate, and so they are not just
attacking our fighting men and women, the United States troops, it is
their own people. And it is this reign of terror that we are having to
deal with, and it is something that just could not stand, and we had to
bring an end to that, and we are going to have to continue.
The President has come to the Congress, and I talked earlier about
the cost, and trying to put it in the proper perspective. And I think
the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Wilson) and the gentleman from
Minnesota (Mr. Kennedy) would agree with me, none of us like deficits.
We do not like debt. We would love to have a balanced budget. We are
all fiscal conservatives, and $87 billion is a lot of money, but let us
talk about cost and try to put it in its proper perspective.
I have heard this statement: The $87 billion is far more than what we
spend on education or other priorities. How can we justify that? That
is absolutely wrong. Of course it is a lot of money, but remember this:
This is a temporary expenditure. This is an investment in America's
security.
In contrast, the government's sustained commitments to domestic
priorities are dollars spent every year, and they grow over time which
appropriately dwarf this incremental cost.
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Let me just give some comparisons in the fiscal year 2004 budget:
Social Security spending, $492 billion in fiscal year 2004 and growing;
Medicare, $259 billion; Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance
Program, $187 billion; veterans expenditures, $57 billion; education K-
12, $53 billion; the amount of money this country spends and we will be
appropriating this year for higher education in the way of Pell grants
and student aid loans to our neediest students so they can go to
college, $90 billion.
Again, $87 billion, and I love to get the input from the gentleman
from Minnesota (Mr. Kennedy) and the gentleman from South Carolina in
regard to this overall cost and putting it in the right perspective. We
hear over and over that people are more concerned about jobs than they
are about homeland security. Members have heard that. We see it on some
of the news shows at night. But while jobs, jobs, jobs are very
important, and the President has brought to us an economic growth
package that is going to grow those jobs, yes, there is a little bit of
lag in the policy before those small business men and women can create
those jobs, but just keep in mind, and I want to throw this out to put
it in the right perspective, on September 11, 2001, some 2,875 men and
women that went to work that morning at the Twin Towers at the Trade
Center, they had jobs. They had good jobs. They had good jobs with good
benefits, and they went to work that day feeling secure. Unfortunately,
they were not secure. They no longer have jobs. They no longer are with
us. They lost their lives that morning.
So while jobs are extremely important, and we need to do everything
we can to stimulate this economy, and I commend this President and this
administration and this leadership in what we are doing, Mr. Speaker,
in trying to grow those jobs, they are not worth a tinker's darn if we
cannot assure these workers when they go to work every day that they
are going to come home to their loved ones in the evening. So we have
to put it in its proper perspective.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman
from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey) helping us do that. This is the front line
in the war on terrorism. We are up against people who kill men and
women with no mercy and with no shame. One of the most vivid
discussions I had was with the vice mayor of Mosul. He said, for you in
America, this is a foreign policy issue. But for the jihadists that
want to take the world back and have the women wearing veils, and have
the men punished if they shave their beards, and have a few guys in
beards making all of the decisions, and do what they have not been able
to accomplish in so many other areas, if we succeed and have a
democracy and freedom and an open economy in Iraq, they will fail and
fail forever, because just as Iraq has been a very disrupting force in
the region in the past, it has the potential to be a force that expands
that freedom, expands that prosperity, expands that openness and that
choice to their neighbors, to Iran, to Syria, to Saudi Arabia, and what
better way to make Americans secure, to make sure that they are not
going to have to be worrying about their security than to plant that
freedom in Iraq in that neighborhood.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from South Carolina.
Mr. WILSON of South Carolina. Mr. Speaker, indeed what we are talking
about is jobs, because in the war on terrorism, if we were to have
disruption of our economy as we did on September 11, it could be
immediately catastrophic.
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With the container ships that we all very much depend on for products
being sent from the United States by export, back to the United States
by import, we know that there is a potential for an abuse there of
explosives or whatever. So by having an interruption of our shipping,
it could be absolutely catastrophic, particularly in the Northeast. If
there was even a 3-day disruption of shipping, there could be a
disruption of the oil and gasoline necessary for refining above New
York City to the Northeast to the point where it would be catastrophic.
We would have the return of the lines with the lack of fuel; people
would lose jobs. In my home State, the number one industry is tourism.
We already know that if we were to have a terrorist attack of some
nature, that it would completely devastate the hospitality industry.
This is just a ripple effect all over the United States, actually all
over the world. So the war on terrorism is crucial for us to proceed.
It is a war we must win. I want to thank both of my colleagues again
for making this clear.
Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota. I thank the gentleman from South Carolina.
I thank the gentleman from Georgia. We cannot afford to lose. This is a
fight that we must win.
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