[Congressional Record Volume 149, Number 4 (Friday, January 10, 2003)]
[Senate]
[Pages S184-S187]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




                     THE PRESIDENT'S GROWTH PACKAGE

  Mr. BENNETT. Mr. President, the Senator from South Carolina has just 
concluded a rather lengthy and significant speech on the President's 
growth package. I thought it appropriate that there be some kind of 
response. If I may, I would like to start with something that some of 
my staff might consider professorial, a little lecture, if you will, on 
the nature of economics to sort of set the background for what I want 
to say about the President's growth package.
  There are laws in economics that apply regardless of how we like them 
or do not like them. If I may create a somewhat crude analogy but one I 
hope makes the point, there is a law in science known as the law of 
gravity. The law of gravity says two bodies will attract each other 
when falling in free space, so that an individual who walks to the edge 
of a cliff and looks down and jumps into space will be attracted to the 
mass of the Earth below him and end up down at the bottom of the 
valley. We call this falling off a cliff.
  Some people will go to the edge of a cliff and, in desperation, jump 
off the cliff to commit suicide. Others will be playing at the edge of 
a cliff, examining the beautiful view, and, by accident, stumble and 
fall off the cliff. And there are those who say: Well, it isn't fair. 
It isn't fair. The first person jumped off the cliff deliberately and, 
therefore, to a certain extent, deserved his fate of death, but the 
second person had no desire to kill himself, and he just stumbled, and, 
by virtue of where he was, the law of gravity killed him, too. And it 
isn't fair.
  Well, we can rail all we want about fairness, but the law of gravity 
operates regardless.
  I make that point because a similar situation exists with respect to 
economics. There are laws in economics that many in this Chamber will 
stand here and say: It isn't fair. But they operate nonetheless. They 
operate just as inexorably as the law of gravity operates. And they 
have an impact on our lives and the way things work.
  The most significant of these laws, of course, is the law of supply 
and demand. The law of supply and demand operates in capitalistic 
countries; it operates in communistic countries; it operates in 
dictatorships; it operates in tyrannies; it operates in free societies 
everywhere. The law of supply and demand is as inexorable as the law of 
gravity.
  There are some people who stand up and say it isn't fair for Michael 
Jordan to play basketball for a living and be paid $20 or $30 million a 
year, when someone else plays just as much basketball on a playground, 
works just as hard as Michael Jordan, expends just as much sweat, and 
doesn't get paid anything.
  Well, there is no demand for the services of the second player. No 
one wants to pay to see him perform. But there is great demand on the 
part of sports-loving Americans to see Michael Jordan perform. 
Therefore, since there is great demand for his services, and there is 
only a supply of one Michael Jordan, he can command virtually whatever 
salary he wants in that situation.
  There are those who say: It isn't fair for Tiger Woods to be paid 
millions and millions of dollars just because he plays golf. There are 
plenty of Americans who would love to play golf all weekend, the way 
Tiger Woods plays golf all weekend, and be paid millions and millions 
of dollars for their efforts--it isn't fair--but for those who would 
like to be Tiger Woods, no one wants to watch them play golf, there is 
no demand for observing their abilities on the golf links, and the 
number of people who want to watch Tiger Woods either in person or on 
television is very high, a very high demand, a supply of only one, 
Tiger Woods. As a consequence, he can charge, once again, virtually 
anything he wants for his services.

  The law of supply and demand cannot be repealed by the Senate. The 
law of supply and demand cannot be repealed by the House of 
Representatives. It operates, it dominates what happens in the economy.
  Now we come to the question of what do we do to make the economy as 
strong as possible. One of the first rules we should follow is to 
respect the law of supply and demand and we do not attempt to repeal it 
through government activity in the name of fairness.
  Let's talk about taxes for a moment. Most Americans don't realize 
that we have two Federal tax systems. We have additional tax systems at 
the State and local level in sales taxes, property taxes, and other 
kinds of taxes, but at the Federal level we have two tax systems. They 
are completely independent of each other. Even though for accounting 
purposes, the Federal Government mixes the money together and makes it 
appear as if there is only one source of income, there are two.
  The first is the payroll taxes. The payroll taxes have been 
instituted by the Congress for the purpose of funding the Nation's 
primary entitlement programs, which are Social Security and Medicare. 
Everyone who works pays into the Social Security trust fund. Everyone 
who works pays into the Medicare trust fund. There is no refund.

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There is no forgiveness. If you work, you pay into those trust funds. 
Then at the end, when you retire, you get the benefits that come out of 
those trust funds.
  That is an entirely self-contained, single tax system of payments in 
and benefits out. We can argue about the fairness of that one because 
many people pay in all their working lives, die before they reach 65, 
and get nothing back. Other people who are long lived pay in all their 
working lives and then get 10 times back what they pay in. If you live 
until your eighties or your nineties and you have been paying in Social 
Security since you started work at 14, it is a great deal for you; you 
get an enormous amount back. But if you pay in and die at 62, every 
penny you put in is lost. That is the system. We can talk about dealing 
with it at some point, and perhaps we should, but that is one entirely 
self-contained tax system.
  The other tax system the Federal Government uses is income tax. 
Income tax is graduated. The more you earn, the more you pay. The fact 
is that if you separate these two systems as they are separated by law 
and practice, you discover that roughly 50 percent of working Americans 
pay nothing into the second system. They make no contribution 
whatsoever to covering the cost of government. The top 50 percent of 
American wage earners pay all of the income taxes. Indeed, the top 1 
percent pay something like a quarter of all of the income taxes. It is 
heavily loaded to the top end. There are some who say that isn't fair, 
some who say every citizen ought to pay something for the management of 
government: Every working citizen pays something for the entitlements, 
but every working American ought to pay something for the cost of the 
Defense Department and the Commerce Department and the new Homeland 
Security Department and all of the rest of it.
  We have made the decision in the Congress that that is not the case. 
We have made the decision that only the top half of Americans will pay 
for the cost of general government. We have loaded it in such a way 
that the very richest Americans pay the very most. Indeed, a very high 
percentage of the total tax load is at the top 1 percent. When you go 
to the top 5 percent, you are beginning to get close to half of the 
whole of Federal revenues. Over half of all Federal revenue comes from 
the top 10 percent of earnings.
  Economics is about incentives. Tiger Woods has an incentive to 
perfect his golf game better than anybody else's so he can get to that 
point I have described where he is in short supply and there is great 
demand. Michael Jordan has an incentive, an economic incentive, to 
perfect his basketball game so he is better than anybody else so that 
the law of supply and demand will work on his behalf. If we want to 
grow the entire economy and, therefore, the amount of money that comes 
from those top 50 percent of the taxpayers, indeed from the top 10 
percent where the majority of the money comes from, we want to create 
incentives for those people to perfect their skills and improve their 
ability to create wealth.
  Understand, all wealth is created from two things: One, risk taking. 
There is no wealth created unless somebody takes a risk somewhere; and 
No. 2, accumulated capital. Even the Communists learned that. They 
tried to say, no, wealth is created by labor, but as they built their 
own economy, they recognized that somewhere, someplace there had to be 
an accumulation of capital.
  The creation of a backhoe that can dig better ditches than people can 
dig with sticks represents capital that is accumulated for the cost of 
purchasing that backhoe. Somebody put that much capital together to 
create that backhoe. We have in the United States the largest capital 
investment of any nation in the world, and we have the strongest 
economy in the world. We reward risk taking better than any other 
country in the world, and that creates more wealth in the world.
  This is not an accident. This is the way it happens. When you have 
the right incentive to the right people, they will respond to that 
incentive and, under the law of supply and demand, they will then 
create skills that create wealth that benefits everybody.
  As I have said, the top 50 percent pay all of the income taxes in 
this country. The bottom 50 percent benefit enormously from that fact.
  I remember in the Banking Committee, a question was asked of Chairman 
Greenspan of the Federal Reserve system during the nineties, when the 
economy was booming: Mr. Chairman, said the questioner, what portion of 
American society has benefited the most from this economy?
  Now, from the way the questioner asked the question, it was clear 
what answer he expected and certainly the answer he wanted. He wanted 
Chairman Greenspan to say the top 20 percent have benefited more than 
anybody else because, look at all the money they have gotten.
  Chairman Greenspan surprised the questioner and pleased me with his 
insight when he said: Without question, the group that has benefited 
the most from this booming economy is the bottom 20 percent. Oh, said 
the questioner, look at the amount of money that has gone to the bottom 
20 percent compared to the huge amount of money that has gone to the 
top 20 percent. How can you say the bottom 20 percent benefited the 
most? Because the lifestyles of the top 20 percent have not changed all 
that much, he said. If Bill Gates is worth $80 billion, as opposed to 
$60 billion, there is no big difference in his lifestyle. But if 
someone at the bottom 20 percent, who barely has employable skills and 
cannot find a job in a tough economy, can suddenly find a job at $2, $3 
and $4 above minimum wage because jobs are scarce--why are they scarce? 
Supply and demand. The economy is booming. There is a great demand for 
labor and the supply is small and so the price goes up. He says, in 
terms of the impact on the lives of people, this booming economy has 
clearly benefited the bottom 20 percent far more than the other 80 
percent.
  I think that is the way we have to look at it, Mr. President. I think 
we have to say, what is the best thing we can do for the citizens who 
are at the bottom 20 percent. The first answer is that we can get them 
a job. But if you go back to the Great Depression of the 1930s, 30 
percent of Americans were without jobs. In those days, that only 
included men; women were not in the workforce. If you were to add 
unemployed women to the statistics, as we would today, because women 
are now in the workforce, the 1930s would have been absolutely 
devastating for the number of people who could not find jobs. As the 
economy got bigger, as wealth was created through accumulated capital 
and risk taking, people at the bottom began to find jobs.
  The statistics are out this morning that unemployment is at 6 
percent. This is unchanged from the last number. Some people find that 
encouraging. I find it a little discouraging. I had hoped that the 
unemployment rate would start to go down, even though I was taught in 
school that 6 percent unemployment is full employment. This shows how 
the economists have changed their attitudes. There was a time when 
economists said structural unemployment built into the system is 6 
percent, and if you ever get below 6 percent unemployment, the economy 
will overheat and self-destruct through inflation. We know now that 
isn't true.
  We got the unemployment rate down below 4 percent in the late 1990s, 
as the economy was expanding and growing. Now the economy is still 
expanding and growing but nowhere near the rate it was. For the year 
2002, the growth in the economy will probably come in around 2.9 
percent. That is the current forecast. In historic terms, 2.9 percent 
is a good growth year. In historic terms, there are many years when we 
would be thrilled with a 2.9 percent growth. But compared to where we 
were, 2.9 looks anemic. Indeed, compared to where we can be, 2.9 is 
anemic. I clearly want to see the economy growing at 3, 3.5. I get a 
little nervous when it starts growing at 4. Then you are getting into 
the area where you are in danger of tipping over to inflation.

  What does all this have to do with the President's growth package? 
This is a nice lecture on economics. I hope nobody disagrees with it 
because I think it is sound. But what does it have to do with the 
President's growth package? Simply this: The President's growth package 
recognizes the fundamental truths embedded in what I have had to say; 
that is, all growth comes from capital accumulation and from risk-
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package is saying to those who have accumulated capital that we will 
give you an incentive to take some risks.
  There are two incentives built into the President's program: No. 1, 
lower taxes. If you take your money and risk it and get a return on it, 
you will get to keep more of it than you can now. That is an incentive 
for you to take your accumulated capital and risk it more than you are 
now.
  No. 2--almost as important--is certainty. Markets flee uncertainty. 
Markets get very nervous when we cannot have a sense of what the future 
will be. The President is saying: Here is a tax cut. We want to move it 
forward a year and, ultimately, we want to make it permanent so that as 
you make your plans for how you are going to take risks with your 
accumulated capital, you can have some certainty that you will be able 
to keep a little more of it. And if they do that and the economy grows 
at a rate faster than 2.9 percent per year, who will benefit the most? 
It will be the people at the bottom. It will be the people who cannot 
get jobs now who will find that jobs will become plentiful again. It 
will be the people who are hurting now who will benefit the most from 
the changes in the economy that will come about as a result of the 
actions of the President's growth package. There are those who will 
say: But this isn't fair. It is not fair for you to have an incentive 
for the Michael Jordans of the world. Your incentives, or your money, 
should be given to the unemployed. Well, we have extended unemployment 
insurance. We did that the first day of the Congress, and we should 
continue to pay attention to that. But the structural needs of the 
economy are such that the best welfare program we can give the 
unemployed is to get them a job.
  The best way to create jobs is to see to it that the economy grows at 
more than 2.9 percent per year. So for that reason, I think the 
President's program is a sound one. There are those who say we cannot 
afford it in terms of the Federal deficit--look, this is going to cost 
us $600 billion over the next 10 years. How in the world can we afford 
that?
  Let's go back to the growth numbers. In the next 10 years, if we grow 
at 2.9 percent every year for the next 10 years, that is an increase of 
over 30 percent. So 2.9 compounded over 10 years comes to well over 30 
percent. Let's say it is 3 percent and not compound it and say it is 
exactly 30 percent. The economy is currently operating at the level of 
$10 trillion per year. If we can keep the growth rate at 3 percent per 
year for 10 years, that is a 30-percent increase. Again, we are not 
compounding this; we are keeping the numbers simple.
  Ten years at $10 trillion is $100 trillion. If the growth rate is 
indeed another 30 percent, that is another $30 trillion. If what we do 
in terms of incentives in the tax program can raise the growth rate 
from 2.9 to just 3.1 or 3.2, multiply that over 10 years and you have 
$150 trillion. Does $600 billion amount to anything when you are 
talking about $150 trillion?
  The numbers are staggering, but they are very important. If we can 
raise the growth rate from 2.9 percent to 3.1 percent or 3.2 percent or 
3.3 percent with the President's growth program over the 10-year 
period, we will solve the social problems of those at the bottom. We 
will get enough revenue for the Federal Government because the Federal 
Government revenue does not come from the budget. The Federal 
Government revenue comes from the growth of the economy. We can grow 
our way out of this problem if we are only smart enough not to fight 
the basic laws of economics. If we spend our time saying it is not 
fair, we are like the people who will not build a fence on the edge of 
the cliff because we say it is not fair for the law of gravity to kill 
the fellow who stumbled across. Or do we say the law of gravity is 
going to operate whether we like it or not, and let's go to the expense 
of building the fence on the edge of the cliff; we will get the benefit 
of saving the lives of those who stumble across.
  I suggest that if we have the right kind of incentives for those who 
accumulate capital and take risks so that the economy grows, it will be 
worth whatever it costs, just like building the fence is worth it, even 
though it is an expense, because of the saving of lives at the other 
end.
  People speak of economics as a science, and it is because it has 
basic laws on which it is based, but it is also something of an art. 
Certainly economic forecasting is an art. I have been in this Chamber 
long enough to see the forecasts all over the place, and no forecast 
that has ever been made by the Office of Management and Budget, be it 
Democratic or Republican, or by the Congressional Budget Office, be it 
Democratic or Republican, has ever proved to be accurate. There are too 
many variables in the system. It is not that their forecasting tools 
are wrong, it is that the economy is so fluid and changes all the time 
and people react differently to incentives than others predict that the 
forecasts almost always turn out to be either too high or too low.
  For many years, OMB and CBO predicted surpluses, and we got deficits. 
Then for some years, they predicted deficits, and we got surpluses. The 
economy surprised us.
  The plea I have made the whole time I have been in the Senate is, 
yes, we need to pay attention to the forecasts, we need to pay 
attention to the economists and their projections, but we need to be a 
whole lot more humble in our assumption that these are scripture carved 
in stone. We should focus more on the fundamentals of economics than on 
the details of today's projections and today's numbers.
  Looking at the world as a whole, this is what we see: The United 
States has less structural taxation built into its system than any 
other country in the world. The United States has the greatest rewards 
for risk taking of any country in the world. The United States respects 
accumulated capital more than any other country in the world. And guess 
what. The United States has the strongest economy with the strongest 
growth rate and the highest standard of living of any other country in 
the world.
  If we were to listen to our European friends who tell us what we need 
to be doing, we should ask the fundamental question: Do we want the 
U.S. economy to be like the European economy, which is not creating any 
new jobs, which has a higher rate of taxation than we have and which is 
virtually stagnant in terms of their GDP growth?
  The Europeans are trying to create the world's second largest 
economy, maybe the world's largest economy through the Euro zone and 
the establishment of the European Community, but they are not getting 
there. I submit one of the reasons they are not getting there is 
because they do not reward productivity; they do not reward creativity; 
they do not reward risk taking. In the name of fairness, they are 
stifling the very activity that would create the wealth that would 
allow them to solve their problems.

  I have owned businesses in Japan. Japan is statistically the second 
largest national economy in the world. Japan has been virtually in 
depression for 10 years. Why? Because Japan, once again, is not willing 
to take the kinds of steps I think President Bush's economic plan 
represents because they say it is not fair. As a result, the pain is 
spread over all of the Japanese, and they pay a serious price for their 
inability to recognize that economics is about incentives and the 
purpose of government is to get out of the way of those who create 
wealth to the best degree.
  Yes, those who create wealth should pay for the government, and in 
this country they do. As I have said, once again, it is the top earners 
who pay for the Government. The bottom 50 percent pay nothing for 
governmental services. They have taxes deducted, once again, but those 
taxes are in the entitlement system. They do not participate in any way 
in the payment of Government services out of the general fund.
  One last comment, Mr. President, and I will yield the floor. There 
has been a lot of discussion here about the unfairness of the 
President's proposal to reduce taxation on dividends. We can debate the 
fairness argument, and fairness is in the eye of the beholder. There 
are some who say, as they do out of the administration, it is unfair to 
tax income twice. There are those in this Chamber who say: Hey, we tax 
income twice all the time in America. People earn something and they 
are taxed; they earn something and they are taxed again; they earn 
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and they are taxed again. I will leave the fairness argument aside 
because, as I say, fairness is in the eye of the beholder, and I will 
not make the case that it is unfair to tax corporate income twice, even 
though I think there is some validity to the case. I want to address 
another fundamental question.
  In this Chamber last Congress, we passed what is now known as the 
Sarbanes-Oxley bill. It was a reaction to the Enron scandal and to the 
corporate governance excesses we saw throughout all of corporate 
America. Out of that came a phrase that stockholders had heard but that 
general Americans had not heard before that scandal. It was the phrase 
referring to ``managed earnings.''
  I remember when I was running a public company. They talked about, 
``We can manage our earnings,'' the accountants were saying, ``to 
produce this kind of quarterly result, and Wall Street is looking for 
this kind of number and we should manage our earnings to give them that 
number.''
  Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that I be allowed to continue 
for another 10 minutes.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. BENNETT. Mr. President, I remember painfully when our public 
company fell 1 penny per share short of the projection that Wall Street 
was looking for. The stock dropped something like 20 percent that day 
because we fell 1 penny short. When some people in the company said it 
is not fair for us to be penalized that way, the reaction of the Wall 
Street analysts was very interesting.
  They said: You have the ability to manage your earnings, and if you 
were not able to find that extra penny and change your number to 
reflect it, that means you are in a whole lot more trouble than we 
thought you were. The penny is not important. What is important is what 
your inability to come up with that penny says about your ability to 
manage your earnings.
  The stock, frankly, has never recovered. When I came to the Senate, 
it was in the low twenties. At one point in my Senate career it hit 40. 
Today you can buy every share of that stock you want for $1.25. 
Fortunately, I sold all of mine before it got there, but not at a high 
enough number to leave me with anything like the net worth I had when I 
came to the Senate. So I have had a very painful personal experience 
with that situation.
  Back to the question of dividends. I know as a CEO you can manage 
earnings but you cannot manage cash. Earnings are an idea, a concept, a 
hope, or a prayer. Cash is a fact. We created with the Clinton tax cut 
an incentive for companies to manage their earnings because we put into 
the law there could be no corporation deduction as an expense for CEO 
pay over $1 million a year. In other words, if a company was going to 
pay their CEO $2 million a year, they could only deduct as an expense 
the first $1 million. So there was a disincentive to compensate the CEO 
with cash. We did it because people on the floor said it was not fair 
for a CEO to be paid that much money just like, as I say, some people 
say it is not fair for Michael Jordan to earn so much more money than 
any other basketball player.
  We created an incentive for compensation to be tied to stock options. 
Boy, did the Enron executives get that message. They and a number of 
others under that incentive managed the earnings to drive up the stock 
price so they could cash in. And those who understood that this was 
phony accounting did cash in. They sold their shares at the highest 
point.
  That did not use to happen in American industry. It used to be that 
the measure of a company's value was how high a dividend it paid. But 
dividends are paid in cash. You can manage earnings but you cannot 
manage cash. You have to manage the business in order to get cash.
  If we were to say, OK, we will make it attractive for people to 
invest in companies that accumulate cash and pay that cash out to their 
owners, it will be taxed but it will only be taxed once and the owners 
can look for a cash return, I think that would have a greater impact on 
corporate governance and decisions in the boardrooms of America's 
manufacturing corporations than all of the Sarbanes-Oxley bills we can 
conceive of and pass. If we want to change the corporate culture in 
America back toward more fundamental sound manufacturing and goods-
producing companies, what structural change could we make that would 
have a more beneficial effect than saying if you concentrate on 
accumulating cash which comes from real operations rather than managed 
earnings, and there is an incentive for you to pay out that cash to 
your shareholders so there will be an incentive for shareholders to 
reward those managers who manage their business on sound principles 
rather than managed earnings, we would have a cultural change that 
would be tremendous.
  Back to my beginning point. Ultimately, the solution to all of our 
economic problems is to have the economy grow, to have it grow on a 
sound basis, to have it grow on a consistent basis, to have it grow 
year over year over year. If we can get the growth rate back up from 
last year's 2.9 percent to 3.1 or 3.2 and maintain that for the next 10 
years, at the end of the 10-year period with the 3-percent growth rate 
sustained and compounded, we will have all the money we need in the 
Federal Treasury to cover all projections of deficits. We will have an 
unemployment rate well below today's 6 percent, even though 6 percent 
is historically considered full employment. We will have all of the 
things we need. If in the name of ``fairness'' we ignore economic laws, 
we ignore the impact of the law of supply and demand, and we do things 
now that look good for political rhetoric and hamper the long-term 
growth of the economy, we will find ourselves 10 years from now with 
bigger deficits and slower growth and higher unemployment and more 
social problems.
  Ultimately, we must keep our eye on the goal that we have: grow the 
economy. Grow the economy intelligently on the basis of sound 
principles, build incentives into the system that will reward those 
that will contribute to growing the economy. And as we do that, we will 
then be in a position to solve all of our economic problems.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Jersey.
  Mr. CORZINE. Mr. President, I understand we are in a period of 
morning business.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator is correct.
  Mr. CORZINE. I request I be permitted to speak up to 30 minutes.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. That authority has already been granted.

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