[Congressional Record Volume 148, Number 119 (Thursday, September 19, 2002)]
[House]
[Pages H6413-H6416]
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FREE SPEECH FOR AMERICA'S RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of
January 3, 2001, the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Jones) is
recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
Mr. JONES of North Carolina. Mr. Speaker, I will not take the full
hour, but as we are talking about our men and women in uniform, and I
want to join with the gentlewoman from Texas, that we are very
fortunate to have the men and women who serve this Nation, and God
bless them, and also the families of those who serve this Nation, the
men that serve this Nation and the women, that we do appreciate them.
That is really one of the reasons I am on the floor today, because I do
appreciate and I cherish the First Amendment right of the Constitution
of the United States of America, and I know that many men and women
have died for that right and other rights that we enjoy based on our
Constitution.
But the reason I am here, Mr. Speaker, is because our churches and
synagogues are denied the First Amendment rights to talk about issues
such as political issues. Well, some people might not know the history,
and the history is this, that from day one of the beginning of this
Nation, the preachers and priests have had the freedom to talk about
political issues and actually had that freedom until 1954. If this was
1953, Mr. Speaker, I would not even be on the floor, because there
would be no problem. The churches had freedom of speech until 1954.
In 1954, Lyndon Baines Johnson, United States Senator and majority
leader, a very strong position that he held in the United States
Senate, had the H.L. Hunt family back in Texas opposed to his
reelection because they were saying that Johnson was soft on communism.
So the H.L. Hunt family had established 2501(c)(3) think tanks,
obviously not churches, but think tanks. So Johnson, being the man that
he was, put an amendment on a revenue bill going through the Senate in
1954 that was never even debated; they never debated the amendment.
Basically what he said was if you are a 501(c)(3), you may not have
political speech.
Well, Mr. Speaker, I am one who believes sincerely that the strength
of this Nation depends on our spiritual leaders having the right of
free speech, whether it be a political issue that they think is
important or whether it should be a moral issue that is somewhat
political. What Mr. Johnson did was to give the authority to the
Internal Revenue Service to be able to say what can be said and not
said as it relates to political issues of the day.
I must say, Mr. Speaker, that I believe sincerely that the moral
future of this country depends on our religious leaders having the
freedom to talk about issues, should they choose.
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Let me give an example. A priest in my district, the third district
of North Carolina, was asked by a parishioner who is a friend of mine,
his name is Jerry Shield, Jerry Shield asked the priest in October of
2000 during the presidential election, he asked his priest, Father Rudy
at St. Paul's in New Bern, North Carolina, he said, Father, please just
make the statement at the end of the mass that George Bush is pro-life.
Mr. Speaker, that is not an endorsement. It is a statement, it is an
educational statement for those parishioners that attended that church.
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The priest said to Jerry Shield, I cannot do that, Jerry, because it
will violate the 501(c)(3) status of this church.
Mr. Speaker, I have introduced a bill, H.R. 2357, the Houses of
Worship Free Speech Protection Act. I am pleased to tell the Members
that the support that we have from leaders around this Nation is really
quite humbling, to be honest; people like Richard Land of the Southern
Baptist Convention; James Dobson, president of Focus on the Family;
David Barton, director of the Wallbuilders; James Martin, the 60 Plus
Association; Tim and Beverly LaHaye, and we all know their fine work;
and Concerned Women for America; also, the Family Research Council; the
Religious Freedom Coalition, they support this legislation; also, David
Keene, who is chairman of the American Conservative Union.
Dr. D. James Kennedy, one of the finest men I have ever met, from the
Coral Ridge Ministries, is a strong supporter of this legislation.
Another man that I have great respect for, along with all the others
that I have named, is Ray Flynn. Ray Flynn is the former ambassador to
the Vatican and former Mayor of Boston, Massachusetts. Mr. Flynn
supports this legislation; also, a man that I have really gotten to
know by telephone who I have a tremendous respect for, Rabbi Daniel
Lapin. He is a wonderful man of God, and he supports this legislation;
and James Bopp, the constitutional lawyer for the James Madison Center
for Free Speech. He is a strong supporter of this legislation.
Mr. Speaker, the reason I have this enlargement of a letter that I
received, it is from a fine man who was a Member of Congress my first
year, 1995. Floyd Flake was a Member of the Congress. He is an ordained
minister, as well. I talked to him about 4 or 5 months ago. I told Dr.
Flake what I was trying to do: I was just trying to get the support to
return the freedom of speech to our churches and synagogues. We chatted
for a while, and he said, Congressman, I would be glad to write a
letter of support.
I just want to read two paragraphs from this letter:
``I praise God for the stand that you have taken to defend the first
amendment right of houses of worship. It is unjust that churches and
clergymen and women are unfairly targeted when they exercise their
right as an American citizen. I am pleased to offer my wholehearted
support with sincere prayer for passage of this important and
liberating legislation.''
I am very honored and pleased to have Dr. Flake support this and
certainly to have his letter of support for what we are trying to do.
Mr. Speaker, it so happened that on May 15, the oversight committee,
chaired by the gentleman from New York (Chairman Houghton), held a
hearing on this issue, freedom of speech in our churches and
synagogues. That day, D. James Kennedy came up from Florida, flew up
from Florida to testify on behalf of this legislation.
In addition to Dr. Kennedy, also Pastor Walter Fauntroy came, who is
a pastor here in Washington, D.C. at the New Bethel Baptist Church. I
am pleased to tell the Members that actually he was a Member of
Congress and also the vice mayor of Washington, D.C., at one time.
Let me share a couple of comments that they made when they testified
before the oversight committee on May 14. I want to read these two
paragraphs, Mr. Speaker. This is from Pastor Walter Fauntroy. I am just
going to read his 5-minute presentation that he made before the
oversight committee, just two paragraphs for the Record:
``What I have learned as a pastor, civil rights activist, and Member
of Congress over these years has led me to appear before you today in
support of H.R. 2357, the Houses of Worship Political Speech Protection
Act. In the 5 minutes allowed me, I want to share with you two
definitions of `politics' upon which I have acted over these years as a
pastor, as a civil rights activist and a politician that inform my
decision to support this legislation,'' H.R. 2357.
In addition, he closed this way, Mr. Speaker. I cannot read the
entire testimony. I will at a later time, not today, ask that I might
be able to submit this for the Record.
He closed his testimony, and again, this is Pastor Walter Fauntroy,
pastor of the New Bethel Baptist Church here in Washington, D.C. Many
of my colleagues on both sides of the political aisle know him well, as
they do Reverend Floyd Flake from New York. This is how Pastor Fauntroy
closed:
``So, Mr. Chairman, I know that it is not in my interest or that of
the people whom I serve that certain people who are self-centered
hypocrites when it comes to the basic tenets of their religions
exercise their right to be wrong. But like Voltaire, I may disagree
with them vehemently, but I will defend to the death their right to be
wrong and their right to participate in an orderly effort to `translate
what they believe into public policy and practice.' I must not be
selfish and therefore sinful; I must not demand for myself what I would
deny others.''
Mr. Speaker, he also closed with a Bible verse. Again, this is Pastor
Walter Fauntroy, who is testifying on behalf of H.R. 2357 to return
freedom of speech to our churches and synagogues, should those pastors
decide that they want to talk about the issues of the day. Many times
there are political issues of the day.
He closed this way by saying: ``. . . save his life, shall lose it,
and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it.'' That is Matthew
10:39. I wish I could read the entire testimony of Pastor Fauntroy.
Obviously, Members would better understand the last paragraph if I had
had the time to do that.
In addition, I want to read just a couple of statements from the
testimony of Dr. D. James Kennedy. He and Pastor Fauntroy, along with
Kobe May, and Kobe May is an attorney for the American Center for Law
and Justice, they testified that day on behalf of freedom of speech in
our churches and synagogues.
This is one of the paragraphs that Dr. Kennedy said during his
testimony that I want to read:
``This legislation is a vitally important step in reversing a long-
standing injustice whereby free speech seems to be protected everywhere
except in the pulpit of our churches and other houses of worship. It
will restore to churches a freedom and role that dates to the American
infancy.
Nineteenth century historian John Wingate Thornton said, ``In a very
great degree, to the pulpit, the Puritan pulpit, we owe the moral
forces which won our independence.''
Mr. Speaker, that is so true. If we think about the history of this
Nation, there was never any restriction of speech in our churches and
synagogues, none whatsoever. Only Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1954, with
an amendment that was never debated, put the IRS in the churches and
the synagogues and the mosques of America.
Mr. Speaker, let me continue for just a few more minutes. I would
like to say that also at that hearing was the Internal Revenue Service,
and I want to read just a couple of comments made by the agents that
testified. This is what one agent said when he was asked the question
by the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Lewis), and this was the question
from the Congressman: ``As a rule, do you monitor the activities of
churches during the political season?'' Mr. Miller, who represented the
Internal Revenue Services, his answer to the gentleman from Georgia
(Mr. Lewis) was this: ``We do monitor churches. We are limited in how
we do that by reason of section 7611 and because of the lack of
information in the area because there is no annual filing.''
Mr. Speaker, this is the point I really want to make because this is
Mr. Miller's answer: ``So our monitoring is mostly reciprocal of
information from third parties who are looking in.'' Mr. Speaker, that
kind of reminds me of what I think Nazi Germany might have
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been in the late '30's where there are snitches that are willing to
turn in somebody for what they said in a free nation. Mr. Speaker,
America is better than that. America is greater than that. Our church
leaders do not need to be muzzled by the Federal Government, and in
this case the Federal Government is the Internal Revenue Service.
Let me give you another practical example that the gentleman from
Illinois (Mr. Weller) asked of Mr. Miller. The question is: ``Can the
minister say the following from the pulpit and not be in violation of
the tax status,'' and this is what the preacher would be saying, ``that
candidate X is pro-life or candidate Y is pro-choice?''
The answer from the IRS is: ``That becomes more problematic,
Congressman. The pastor, the minister, the rabbi can speak to the
issues of the day, but to the extent that they start tying it into a
particular candidate and to a particular election, it begins to look
more and more like either opposition to a particular candidate or
favoring a particular candidate.'' So because I have a bill in, H.R.
2357, and the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Crane) has a bill in that
speaks to the same issue, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Weller) then
asks Mr. Miller: ``And would the Crane and the Jones legislation
clarify the law to allow for that type of statement?'' The answer from
Mr. Miller is ``I believe so.''
Then let me go further. Really this in itself is another point I want
to make. The gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Weller) further asks: ``Just
to follow up on that, say you have a candidate who was a guest speaker,
was in a church speaking from the pulpit, concluding his or her
remarks, and the minister walks up, puts his or her arm around that
particular candidate and says, `This is the right candidate, I urge you
to support this candidate.' Is that allowable under law?''
Mr. Hawkins, another IRS person that attended and spoke at the
hearing on May 14, responds, ``No, that would not be allowed under the
law. That would clearly be political campaign activity. It would be
protected, however, under the two bills that have been introduced by
Mr. Crane and Mr. Jones.''
Mr. Speaker, that is the reason that I have for the last year and a
half taken this on, because I sincerely believe that for America to
remain morally strong, our preachers and our priests and our rabbis
must not be politically handicapped by the speech patrol, in this case,
the IRS, because, again, Mr. Speaker, this country is too great and too
many people have given of their lives to protect the freedoms that we
should be able to enjoy.
Mr. Speaker, let me also say that something that came to my attention
as I started researching this issue is that the IRS has what they call
code words, code words that they think could be used to endorse a
candidate, and let me tell you what these code words are. Liberal,
prolife, prochoice, antichoice, Republican, or Democrat.
Let me give you a practical example, and this is the information that
they give to the people of America about what they can and cannot do
and what candidates can and cannot do, and this issue that I am talking
about is on Page 315 of the information that is provided by the
Internal Revenue Service. It is called the ``Election Year Issues.''
Let me read and give you the example of what they give in this
documentation. This is not even a church, by the way. ``If a nonprofit
in Vermont runs an ad regarding a local `liberal' candidate, the
Vermont voters would know which specific candidate the nonprofit was
discussing,'' in this case, a liberal candidate. This is a code ``and
in violation of Internal Revenue Service Code 501(c)(3) because
oftentimes candidates are unofficially given labels that become
commonly known.''
Mr. Speaker, the more I got into this issue, I can honestly say that
it is absolutely ridiculous, and in my opinion it is unconstitutional
that Mr. Johnson was able to get his amendment passed without any
debate, and if there had been debate, quite frankly, I still think it
is unconstitutional that this Federal Government through the Internal
Revenue Service would try to stifle free speech in our churches and
synagogues. So that is the reason I wanted to be on the floor today. I
will make a few more comments and then I will close.
We have numerous letters from religious leaders throughout this
country that believe that this legislation is right, that this
legislation is needed. I will give the example again, Dr. Flake had Al
Gore in his church in the year 2000, and Mr. Flake is a Democrat, he is
a good man, and he blessed his party and I respect that and appreciate
that. So when Mr. Gore finished speaking in his church, Dr. Flake
walked up in front of approximately 10,000 people, a big church in New
York and he is a great minister and draws big crowds, and he said, ``I
believe that Al Gore is the right man for this Nation.'' That is all he
said. He got a letter of reprimand from the Internal Revenue Service.
If our preachers and ministers and priests and rabbis feel that they
have a spiritual calling to help educate people in that congregation
then please, please, let us not have the Federal Government determine
what they can and cannot say because their role for this Nation's
future is too important.
So again I have got the letter from Dr. Flake here that I read
earlier, the two paragraphs, in support of this legislation. Mr.
Speaker, we have 130 co-sponsors on this legislation, and I am a
Republican and I am reaching out across the aisle, and I am pleased to
say that we have about six or seven Democrats that have joined us. I
have got three appointments next week with three members of the
Democratic Party to go to their offices and sit down and talk to them
about joining us in this effort to return to freedom of speech.
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What I have found, I do not know how many radio shows across this
Nation that I have had the opportunity to be on. I was on a show today
in Iowa, and I was on a show two days ago in Kentucky and I am finding
people of faith that really just did not know what the law was. And
when they hear the history of it, again, that Lyndon Johnson, just a
man of arrogance, in my opinion, that just wanted to show an opponent
that he could stifle his speech, and when I tell them the history of
this thing and they know the history of America and the fact that we
have such freedom that our ministers and priests have never been
bridled in speech until this became the law in 1954.
They are joining me in this effort. I believe the leadership will
give us a chance to debate this issue on the floor of the House
sometime before we leave for the elections.
Mr. Speaker, I will always remember that this country has been
blessed by God; and the freedoms that we enjoy, in my opinion, Mr.
Speaker, are blessed by God also; and I want to return that freedom. I
want to make it clear that should they have this freedom in the
churches, not every minister is going to make a decision that he wants
to talk about this issue or that issue that might be of a political
nature. But should he not have the freedom to do so, should he or she
choose to do so? I think so. And I am pleased that 130 of my colleagues
think so.
We receive faxes and e-mails just about every day from a minister
from across this Nation. We got one yesterday from a minister in
Missouri who said in the e-mail, ``Thank you for what you are trying to
do. I am going to encourage the members from our State to join you in
this effort.''
I was on the Jerry Falwell Show last Friday in Lynchburg, Virginia,
and he is in 50 States, and we talked about this issue. Mr. Speaker,
part of the problem is that the IRS says they cannot enforce this law,
anyway. They acknowledged in the testimony on May 14 that they know
there are some churches that do not abide by the law. And yet Barry
Lynn, who is a man that is on the extreme left, and the reason I will
say that is because he applauded the Ninth Circuit Court's decision
when they said to remove ``under God'' from the Pledge of Allegiance,
so to me he is an extreme liberal; and he is opposed to this
legislation. In fact, in the year 2000 he sent to 285,000 churches a
letter that coerced and intimidated the preachers to have any
discussion of the politics of September and October of the year 2000.
So I am very hopeful that we can continue to garner support for this
legislation so that the men and women who serve our Lord as preachers
and priests and rabbis and clerics can have the freedom, should they
choose to talk about these issues.
Mr. Speaker, I want to close if I can with a letter, and this will be
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the end, from Richard Lynn. Richard Lynn again is the Southern Baptist
Convention Ethics and Religion Commission. He is head of that
commission for the Southern Baptists. And he says in his letter, ``Dear
Congressman Jones: H.R. 2357 is consistent with the constitutional
principle that the church should be separated from the State. The
government should not have the power to define what the church believes
or practices in principle or in effect. With the unbridled discretion
given to the Internal Revenue Service to selectively target those it
wishes to silence or threaten, this principle is not currently being
protected.''
So, again, what Dr. Lynn is asking is that there not be any
restriction of speech in the churches and synagogues throughout this
great Nation that we all love and respect.
So, Mr. Speaker, I am now going to close the way I close every time I
speak publicly. I was on the floor this week and will be a couple of
times next week. This country appreciates the men and women in uniform.
And as some of my colleagues from the other side were talking about the
possibility of war in Iraq, which none of us know for sure what will
happen, but I have three military bases in my district. I have Camp
Lejeune Marine Base. I have Cherry Point Marine Air Station. I have
Seymour Johnson Air Force Base. And I have gotten to know a lot of
those men and women in uniform, from the privates up to the base
commanders. And I tell you the truth, I love and respect all of them.
So I close my comments today, Mr. Speaker, by saying, most sincerely,
God, please bless our men and women in uniform. God, please bless the
families of our men and women in uniform. I have asked God to please
bless the President of the United States, that the President might make
the best decisions and the right decisions for the future of America. I
ask God to bless my colleagues here in the House and the Senators
across the aisle so that they might do what is right in the eyes of our
Lord and Savior.
Mr. Speaker, I close this way because I say it three times because I
mean it from the bottom of my heart. Please, God, please, God, please,
God, continue to bless America.
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