[Congressional Record Volume 148, Number 96 (Tuesday, July 16, 2002)]
[Senate]
[Pages S6831-S6853]
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GREATER ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE PHARMACEUTICALS ACT OF 2001--MOTION TO
PROCEED--Continued
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Florida.
Mr. GRAHAM. What is the parliamentary position of the Senate?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senate is considering a motion to proceed
on S. 812.
Mr. GRAHAM. Mr. President, I am going to talk about one of the issues
which will be a central part of the next several days' debate on
American health care. The specific bill before us upon which we are
seeking permission to proceed relates to generic drugs and eliminating
some of the legalisms which have grown up around our generic drug law
and have made it difficult for competitive products to come to market,
even after the brand name drug has run the full course of its patent.
That will be a debate for another day, hopefully as early as today.
I am going to talk about an issue that will come up somewhat later in
this debate and that is adding a prescription drug benefit to Medicare.
Some would say: Look, this issue has been around for a long time. Why
should we continue to spend time debating a matter which has thus far
been unable to find enough support in the Congress to become law? Why
is this issue important enough for us to spend time on it?
The answer is: Freda Moss. That is why this is an important issue.
In Tampa, FL, Freda Moss, an 80-year-old American, along with her 84-
year-old husband Coleman, is watching this, and so are thousands like
Freda and Coleman. They are also watching us.
Freda is watching and waiting to see if we can improve her life and
the lives of 39 million Americans by adding a prescription drug benefit
to the Medicare Program. The story of Freda and Coleman is typical of
many older Americans. They live on Social Security with an income of
$1,038 a month. They are both eligible for Medicare. They have no
prescription drug coverage.
While Coleman has remained healthy and has relatively low
prescription drug costs, unfortunately, Freda suffers from diabetes,
heart disease, and hypertension. Freda is on a list of prescription
drugs that include Plavix, Mavik, Amaryl, and Zocor. In 1 year alone,
Freda's prescription drug costs were nearly $7,800--62 percent of that
couple's total income. It is for people like Freda that we need to add
a prescription drug benefit to Medicare.
As more and more Americans discover the effectiveness of prescription
drugs in promoting longer and healthier lives, they have become an
indispensable part of our health care system. In 1980, prescription
drugs accounted for less than 5 percent of national spending on health
care. In 1980, less than 5 percent. Twenty years later, in 2000,
prescription drug costs accounted for nearly 10 percent of national
spending on health care. It is estimated in the year 2010 prescription
drugs will reach 14 percent of total health care costs.
Last year, 20 percent of the increase in the total cost of health
care came from increases in the cost of prescription drugs. Even though
they were only 10 percent of all costs, they were 20 percent of the
increase in cost.
As there has been in the last few years, there will be a lot of
debate over the next few days about the many measures that will be
introduced to conquer the problems in the prescription drug market.
While many of these proposals are important and even useful to seniors,
the ultimate goal must be a prescription drug benefit for older
Americans. For many years we have come to the Senate floor to talk
about how important this is. Others, beyond Freda, have been used as an
example of the urgency of action, but every year we have gone home we
have spoken to our constituents about how committed we were, how hard
we worked to accomplish the objective of passing a prescription drug
benefit but that we had failed.
Now is the time to overcome failure with victory. We can pass this
year--we must pass this year--a benefit for our older citizens who are
looking to us for the protection of their health care.
I appeal to all of you who have heard stories such as that of Freda
Moss to join me in providing a prescription drug benefit for Medicare.
Why doesn't Medicare, established in 1965 and which covers 39 million
people, provide a prescription drug benefit? Virtually every other
health care plan, the kind of plan that the Presiding Officer, myself,
and other 98 colleagues have, provides a prescription drug benefit as
part of a total health care program. Why doesn't Medicare?
The answer is basically history and inertial. In 1965, when the
Medicare Program was founded, prescription drugs were a very small part
of health care. Few drugs were used by the very ill. Can you believe
this? In the year Medicare was established, in 1965, the average
spending for prescription drugs by older Americans was $65. That is not
$65 a week or $65 a month. That is $65 a year was the average amount
expended by older Americans on prescription drugs when Medicare was
established.
What is the number today? According to the Congressional Budget
Office, spending over the 37 years, from 1965 to today, has risen to an
average of $2,149. That is a 35-times increase in the cost, on an
annual basis, of prescription drugs for older Americans.
If the Medicare Program were to be designed today, in 2002, there
would be no question that lawmakers would include a prescription drug
benefit. Why? Not only because every other health care plan, the plans
that most people have gotten accustomed to during their working lives,
have long included a prescription drug benefit, but also because
prescription drugs today are an integral part of a modern health care
program.
Medications are used not only to halt the effects of a disease, but
in many cases can even reverse the negative consequences of disease.
After 37 years, it is unfair to ask our Nation's older citizens, one of
the most vulnerable populations in our society, to continue to go
without the Medicare Program offering coverage for the necessity of
modern health care, prescription drugs. Everyone in this Chamber
receives this benefit as a Federal employee. We should demand nothing
less for our older citizens.
How do we solve the problem? I suggest there are a set of principles
that we should look to as we shape a response to this problem of the
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benefit of prescription drugs for older Americans.
The first principle is modernization of the Medicare Program. We will
hear, have heard, and until this debate is concluded will continue to
hear, about reform in the Medicare system. There are lots of things we
ought to do to reform the Medicare system. Many of those things that
are referred to as reform are not unimportant but they tend to deal
with the mechanics of the Medicare Program. We should ratchet up or
down a deductible. We should change an amount of coinsurance that is
required--alterations such as that.
In my judgment, the most fundamental reform that we can make to the
Medicare Program is precisely what we are recommending today, and that
is to add a prescription drug benefit. Why is this the most fundamental
reform? Medicare today is, as it was in 1965, a ``sickness'' system. If
you get sick enough to have to go to the doctor, or even sicker and
have to go to the hospital, Medicare will come forward and pay a
significant part of your bill. On average, about 77 percent of the cost
of physicians' assistance or hospitalization will be paid by the
Medicare Program. What Medicare does not pay for is very much
prevention, those things that we know will help keep you well and avoid
the necessity of having to go to the doctor or the hospital.
It doesn't pay a dime towards the prescription drugs that you will
purchase at your local pharmacy or by mail order, which for almost
every one of those prevention methodologies is an absolute fundamental
aspect.
For example, suppose you have developed an ulcer. The treatment for
that in the past was pretty straightforward. You had an operation and
the ulcer was dealt with surgically. Today, ulcer surgery is virtually
like the dinosaur, an animal of the past.
We have had the good fortune of having in our office for the last
several months Dr. Howard Forman. He is a professor of medicine at Yale
Medical School. He says that a simple 6-week course of drug therapy
today can avoid the $20,000 cost of hospitalization for ulcer surgery.
Even drugs such as Timolol, a generic heart drug, is estimated to save
$4,000 to $7,500 per year per patient in select heart attack victims.
Drugs to lower cholesterol and to control hypertension can ward off
possible stroke or heart attack--medical conditions that not only
reduce the quality of life but are very costly for treatment through
the traditional Medicare Program.
Modern medicine has been significantly altered by prescription drugs,
notably by improving the quality of people's lives, reducing long
recovery periods, and sometimes even negating the need for surgeries
altogether, as in the instance of ulcers. This is why our seniors need
a universal, affordable, accessible, and comprehensive drug benefit.
The second principle behind the addition of a prescription drug
benefit is to provide beneficiaries with a real and meaningful benefit.
An important part of assuring that a prescription drug program will be
around for our children and grandchildren is to attract a broad variety
of beneficiaries.
Mr. President, you know as I do that a fundamental principle of any
insurance plan is to get a broad base of people participating, knowing
that some of those people will suffer whatever it is they are insuring
against--like their house burning down or their car being involved in
an accident--and other people will be fortunate enough to avoid those
instances. It is having enough people in the pool who can all share the
cost that then allows us to rebuild the home that has been destroyed by
fire.
Because this program is voluntary, and because it is critical that it
attract a broad base of participation, it must have a reasonable price
and a benefit package that will make it attractive to those older
Americans who are relatively well today and who do not have large
prescription drug bills. By attracting both seniors with high needs and
those who simply need modest coverage and would like to be assured that
should they suffer a heart attack or some other disabling condition
they will be able to access the catastrophic coverage, that is the
coverage that will give them full protection for prescription drugs
beyond a certain point. This program will be solid. This program will
be actuarially sound for our and future generations.
Any prescription drug plan must offer seniors coverage that begins
from the first prescription bill; that is, no deductible standing in
the way of getting benefits. Seniors should understand that if they are
receiving a benefit, the benefit should be consistent, and seniors
should actually receive it without any gaps in coverage. That is a so-
called doughnut profit where you have coverage for a certain proportion
of your drug expenditures and then all of a sudden you are 100-percent
responsible until you reach the catastrophic level.
In order to make this program easy for seniors, it should operate in
a way as similar as possible to the coverage that seniors had during
their working life.
A third principle is that seniors should have choice. America as a
nation thrives on choice. Choice is an important part of health
decisions. Choice is an important part of creating a competitive
environment that will assist in controlling costs. Our seniors deserve
a choice in who delivers their prescription drugs, which is why we must
assure that each region of the country has multiple providers of
prescription drug benefits.
This will encourage competition, helping to keep costs down to
beneficiaries as well as to the Medicare Program and ultimately to the
American taxpayer. The choice of who you select to deliver your drugs
should be made by seniors beginning with the position as to which firm
you wish to be your representative. The phrase is a pharmacy benefit
manager, or a BPM, and then which specific drugstore you want to go to
have your prescriptions filled or should you choose to use a mail order
form of description. Those ought to be choice decisions made by the
individual senior American who we will treat with respect and dignity.
Fourth, we need to use a delivery system on which seniors can rely.
American seniors deserve a delivery system for prescription drug
benefits that is based on something tried and true, consistent with
what seniors feel comfortable with, and modeled on what has already
worked. We should not convert our 39 million older Americans into some
giant new social health policy on how to deliver a product as critical
and as basic as prescription drugs when there are already models on how
to deliver prescription drugs with which seniors are familiar and which
are working well.
Medical beneficiaries should not be led into being guinea pigs for
social experimentation. If we are going to spend billions of taxpayer
dollars on a prescription drug program, it should not be handled with
untried and untested delivery models. We are responsible to the
American taxpayers to invest in what we know will work. We should look
at what the private sector does for guidance in developing a delivery
system for a drug benefit and evaluate what is already effective for
beneficiaries so they can help us better understand what will work for
seniors.
The fifth principle is to provide an affordable program for
beneficiaries. The majority of seniors in America live on fixed
incomes. They need to know the cost of those things in order to be able
to budget. This is why seniors need a prescription drug benefit that is
affordable with a low premium and low copayments that are easy to
calculate. They need to be assured against wild variations from month
to month, or year to year. The program must also make financial sense
to beneficiaries. Seniors should not have to wait until an emergency
arises before the benefit is worthwhile.
We know that when seniors do not have coverage, they do not fill
their prescriptions, a practice we hope to eliminate with this
legislation. The gap in coverage means no coverage for many elderly who
might be caught in this doughnut of noncoverage. It means that not only
will they be unable to buy their prescriptions during that period, but
it might discourage them from engaging in the preventive practices of
asking the very legitimate question: What is the good of my starting on
an expensive drug that will help control my hypertension if 4 months
from now I am going to be in a position where I will no longer have any
coverage and assistance to buy the drug that I can take home, so I will
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start and get the benefits of that preventive treatment?
Cost will be a factor in order to maximize enrollment. We have been
advised by a number of organizations that represent the interests of
older Americans, such as AARP, that a premium in the range of $25 a
month is a premium which will be able to attract broad participation by
older Americans. In order for this program to be solid, we need to have
that broad participation.
Sixth, this must be a fiscally prudent program. We have a
responsibility as lawmakers to pass the budget and to maintain fiscal
discipline. We must exercise this judgment when we look at all
spending. And the case of prescription drugs should be no different.
That being said, we must look at prescription drug coverage in the
context of other benefit programs. As I mentioned earlier, Medicare
currently covers 77 percent of the total expenses of those services
which are Medicare covered. If you go to the hospital to have an
appendectomy or if you go to your local doctor for an outpatient
procedure, on average, Medicare will pay 77 percent of the cost.
Prescription drugs are as important to seniors as the services which
are currently covered under Medicare. If we were to cover 77 percent of
drug expenses, as we do for current Medicare services, we would be
spending over $1 trillion in the next 10 years to provide this benefit.
If we look at the drug coverage that those of us in this Chamber
receive through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, if our
seniors were to get the same level of Federal support for their
prescription drugs as we, as Senators, get for ours through the same
Federal Treasury, it would cost between $750 and $800 billion over 10
years to provide that coverage.
These numbers provide a context. Clearly, we will have to find a
balance between giving seniors what they need and what the budget will
allow, and what type of benefit will have the most use for Medicare
beneficiaries.
I would like to briefly outline some of the details of the plan that
will be introduced later this week on behalf of myself, Senator Miller,
Senator Kennedy, Senator Cleland, and a number of other colleagues.
That plan would begin by asking the seniors, in a dignified way: Do you
want to participate at all? It is your choice. This is a voluntary
program.
If seniors say, Yes, I do want to participate, here is what they will
get. First, they will get a bill for $25 a month. That is the cost of
the premium to be a participant in this plan. Once they have made that
$25 payment, then they will become eligible to participate. They will
be eligible from the first dollar they expend after they join the plan;
that is, there is no deductible.
Once they begin to acquire their prescription drugs, they will find a
system very similar to what they used during their active years. They
will make a copayment for each prescription they receive. We are
suggesting that copayment should be $10 for each generic prescription
and $40 for each brand name, medically necessary prescription.
Once you had expended $4,000 out of your pocket for prescription
drugs, you would reach the level of catastrophic, and beyond that
$4,000 from your pocket there would be no further copayments required.
Seniors with incomes below 135 percent of poverty would pay no
premiums. Beneficiaries with incomes between 135 and 150 percent of
poverty would pay reduced premiums.
Our plan uses the exact delivery model that America's private
insurance companies utilize. It is also the same model the Federal
Employees Health Benefits Plan utilizes which covers virtually, if not
totally, all of our colleagues in this Chamber.
Every Federal employee health benefit plan uses pharmacy benefit
managers, or PBMs, as the method of delivering and managing
prescription drug benefits. PBMs are private, commercial companies that
negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies to achieve low prices.
They are held accountable. Part of their fee to provide this service
is based on their demonstrated capacity to contain costs and to provide
quality care and service.
We would allow all seniors a choice of which PBM they wish to use by
giving the seniors the opportunity to shop around for a plan that best
meets their needs. PBMs would be accountable to the Medicare Program
and to the taxpayers.
PBMs would be required to demonstrate their ability to keep drug
costs down in order to be awarded a contract to seek to represent
seniors. Further, once the PBM had the contract, they would not be paid
for their services if they did not carry out their commitment to
contain drug spending while, at the same time, providing a quality
service to older Americans.
Our plan is estimated to cost less than $500 billion through the year
2010. We are suggesting that in that year, 2010, Congress should pause,
Congress should review this plan that will now have been in effect for
7 years, and the Congress should decide what we have learned during
this period, much as we are doing now as we reauthorize the welfare-to-
work law. We are looking at what we have learned since 1996. And we are
going to put that learning into the welfare-to-work law for the next
period.
In my judgment, in light of the significance of this new program, it
will be highly appropriate to examine how well the benefit is working
and whether it is providing seniors with the benefits they need. Is it
living up to those six principles I just outlined, which should be the
cornerstone of an effective prescription drug program? We can learn
from these first 7 years and apply those lessons to the future.
As I indicated earlier, this is not the only plan the Congress is
considering. In fact, the House of Representatives has already passed a
prescription drug plan. That will be awaiting our action in a
conference committee, hopefully in the next few days, to begin the
process of trying to arrive at an appropriate compromise. I would like
to make a few comments about the House Republican plan which has passed
and awaits that conference committee.
Providing a legitimate drug benefit that would actually help
America's seniors is our goal on the Senate floor. In my judgment, the
proposal passed by the House of Representatives almost 3 weeks ago
fails to give Medicare beneficiaries what they need and deserve: an
affordable, reliable, comprehensive, and accessible prescription drug
benefit.
Unfortunately, the proposal that apparently is going to be offered by
the Senate Republicans suffers from the same defects as that from the
House Republicans. If a comparison is made between the House Republican
plan, the Senate Republican plan, and the six principles I have just
outlined, only one of the six criteria for a prescription drug benefit
is met.
After many years, my colleagues on the other side of the aisle have
finally come to recognize the basic need for a prescription drug
benefit. The problems include the lack of a defined benefit. Seniors
will not know, under either the House or Senate Republican plans, what
they will get. Another problem is control is turned over to private
insurance companies to determine what the senior will receive. And an
additional problem is the money beneficiaries are expected to spend
before they actually receive benefits.
The House Republican proposal fails to provide Medicare recipients
with a stable, sustainable benefit. It would allow insurance companies
to decide what type of coverage would be offered since the House
legislation only requires that there be an ``actuarial equivalent'' of
the basic benefits plan.
This means we have no idea what type of benefits would be offered to
seniors. We do not really know what the premium is.
I have looked through all 426 pages of the House Republican bill, and
I was unable to find a real hard number that guaranteed what seniors
would pay every month as their premium responsibility. Although I have
not looked through the Senate Republican bill, which was just offered
yesterday, I suspect it is no different.
The House Republican bill could mean a $250 deductible or it could
mean a deductible as high as $1,000. This means there would be a
substantial delay between the time the senior signed up for the plan
and when they would start getting any benefit. There is nothing
reliable about this plan.
The bottom line is that America's seniors would be at risk for wild
variations in the type of benefits they
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would have from place to place in America and from year to year in the
same place.
For the first time in the history of Medicare, seniors, for instance,
in Florida would pay a different premium than seniors in Georgia or
seniors in Massachusetts. In both Republican plans insurance companies
make all the decisions, have all the choices--not the Medicare
beneficiary. These companies would be lured with taxpayers' dollars
into a market in which they do not wish to participate in order to
create a complex delivery system that does not currently exist.
There is an organization that represents a number of large
pharmaceutical companies which has been a principal advocate of the
House Republican plan. I met some time ago with a number of
representatives of that association. After they had given me the
explanation of why they were supporting this plan that requires seniors
to purchase private insurance with unstable and uncertain benefit
structures, I then asked them this question: How do your employees, the
people who work for your pharmaceutical company, including you as an
executive, how do you get your prescription drug benefits?
Do you know what the answer to the question was? Exactly the way that
we are proposing in our legislation. They don't use this system of a
private insurance policy for drug only for themselves or their own
employees. They want 39 million American seniors to become the first
farm of guinea pigs for this experimentation on how to deliver
prescription drugs, when we know how to deliver prescription drugs, and
in a system that seniors have already experienced during their working
lives.
Money that could be used to enhance the benefit to seniors would
instead go to marketing and administrative costs of the insurance
company.
The Republican proposal allows insurance companies to determine
beneficiaries, drugs, how many drugs they will get, what kind of drugs
they will get, instead of doctors making the decision on our behalf as
to whether we need Lipitor or Zocor for our cholesterol. Those
decisions would increasingly be driven by the profits of the insurance
companies. Seniors deserve the choices, not insurance companies.
The President must disagree with his party on this because just last
week in Minneapolis he said:
I support a prescription drug benefit for Medicare that
allows seniors to choose the drug coverage that is best for
them.
I support President Bush in my advocacy of seniors having the
responsibility and the right to make the decision as to what is in
their individual best interest.
The House Republican plan would put our Nation's seniors into an
untried, untested delivery system that has never before been used. Is
it fair to older Americans to be used as a social experiment for the
insurance industry?
The delivery model presented in the House is, in my judgment, a
recipe for potential failure, with a paltry benefit. Only those who
need the most prescription drugs are likely to buy into the plan.
There is an example of this scheme. We are not talking totally
theoretically about what is likely to occur under the House Republican
plan. Several years ago, the legislature of Nevada adopted such a
structure to be used for their prescription drug program. Their
proposal was used where beneficiaries soon found that they were looking
at very high premiums, high deductibles and copayments, which only
lured the sickest seniors into the program. As a result, beneficiary
claims exceeded premiums and copayments throughout the entire first
year of Nevada's experiment.
The experiment had the State paying a premium of $85 a month per
member for 7,500 beneficiaries. An independent actuary found that the
State-operated program, working directly with PBMs, could have provided
the same benefit for $53 a month. The extra money was paid to an
insurance company which could have been used to serve 4,500 more
seniors in Nevada.
The program has a waiting list of over 1,000 people, no doubt 1,000
of among the sickest people in Nevada who want to get on to this
program.
One of the most important factors for seniors when deciding that they
will sign up for a prescription drug benefit is cost: How much will it
cost monthly? How much will they have to pay before benefits begin? How
much value will there be in the benefit? The Republican plan fails to
give seniors this value. The plan has a $250 deductible, meaning most
seniors will have to wait for the benefit to begin, even as they are
paying monthly premiums during this waiting period.
This predicament gets worse in the House plan after beneficiaries
have spent the first $2,000. At that point, seniors, including low-
income seniors, are forced into a gap in coverage. They suddenly, after
the first $2,000, have to pay 100 percent of the cost of their drugs.
For a senior like 71-year-old Jeremiah O'Conner, a Ft. Lauderdale,
FL, resident who survived cancer and now pays $1,279 per month for
drugs to help with high cholesterol and a prostate problem, the
Republican gap would begin in March of each year. He will have to float
without coverage until at least May, still paying a monthly premium.
For a low-income senior who is 150 percent below the poverty level,
which is now $13,300 for a single person, this would be more than 25
percent of their annual income that would have to be used to pay for
their prescription drugs while they are caught in this gap of coverage.
The Republican plan will not help those seniors who are choosing
between food and medicine. The doughnut will provide them with no
nutrition. All they get is the empty hole.
For example, Ms. Olga Butler of Avon Park, FL, receives a monthly
Social Security check of $672, which makes her barely over the income
limit for Medicaid coverage. This means that 67-year-old Olga has to
pay for her own medications, sometimes having to make that choice among
food, rent, and prescription drugs.
Olga is on Lipitor and Clonidine for her hypertension and high
cholesterol. She pays $95 a month for Lipitor and $22 per month for her
Clonidine. These prescription drugs not only improve the quality of
Olga's life, but they are helpful in warding off possible strokes or
heart attacks for which she is at a high risk.
In order to qualify for the Republican prescription drug plan, Olga
must pass an assets test in order to get low-income assistance--the
first time such an asset test has been included in any Medicare
Program. I know you know the answer to this question, but some of our
colleagues may not know what an assets test is. This test means that
Olga must deplete her savings which is less than $4,000. She must sell
off her furniture and personal property, which is worth more than
$2,000. And she must sell her car, if it is valued at more than
$4,500. She must place herself in poverty in order to qualify for the
low-income assistance under the inadequate House Republican proposal.
Mr. KENNEDY. Will the Senator yield for a question on that point?
Mr. GRAHAM. I am pleased to yield.
Mr. KENNEDY. So is the Senator suggesting that, on one hand, the
Republican proposal is suggesting that it is addressing the needs of
really the lowest income seniors? I think it is always useful to review
the average income of our seniors, which is about $13,000 a year, and
two-thirds of them have less than $25,000. So we are talking now about
the lowest income. I guess it is 135 percent of poverty.
So, on the one hand, the Senator is suggesting that those individuals
are going to be covered and then he is pointing out that the
Republicans have included an assets test, which includes a burial plot
that is above $1,500. If they have a little cash in their bank account,
which they have saved over their lifetime, evidently, this says they
have to spend all of that. You cannot have personal property such as a
wedding ring. You would have to give that to the pawnbroker and spend
that.
Besides those cruel aspects of the assets test, what does the Senator
think this does in terms of demeaning our fellow citizens--to have them
go in hat in hand in this country--the greatest country in the world--
and have them have to go through and bring out their little sheet and
represent the value of their personal goods at home and demonstrate
what that bank account is.
We have other ways of making these assessments that can be done while
treating people with a sense of dignity.
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Does the Senator not agree with me that this is a particularly harsh
proposal as well for our fellow citizens, particularly those who are
extraordinarily needy and perhaps feeling a certain amount of
despondency for the way life has treated them, and then the Republican
proposal adds this additional dimension? Does the Senator not agree
with me that it dehumanizes our fellow citizens and humiliates them in
ways that are completely unacceptable?
Mr. GRAHAM. It is a testimony to exactly those attributes that we
have had Medicare for 37 years and never, never has it been proposed
that we add an assets test to people's ability to secure the basic
necessities of health care that sustain life and the quality of life.
The Senator mentioned a number of items that would be lost, from a
wedding ring to a burial plot. I think of particular significance is
the fact that you can't own a car that has a value of more than $4,500.
If you want to go down to the used car lot, you can see what that means
in terms of an available vehicle.
Mr. KENNEDY. On this issue, may I ask the Senator a question?
Mr. GRAHAM. Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. In part of the country, winters can be extremely cold.
The northern tier States are colder still--up in the State of Maine,
across the northern tier, in Montana, across Minnesota and Wisconsin.
And the last thing we want for our seniors who are going down to the
drugstore to get prescription drugs is to have their car break down. Or
if they are in the southern part of the country, on those superhighways
where traffic is moving with such rapidity and there is such a degree
of intensity in terms of the conduct of traffic, you can imagine what
happens to a senior whose car breaks down on those roads as well.
We are really flyspecking our fellow citizens. We are trying to set
up a system that addresses the needy people in our society. Does the
Senator not agree with me that we can do that with a sense of respect
and dignity? When we are talking about this point of $4,500 for a car--
which is to try to say that maybe if it is $2,000, we will be more
understanding.
I must say that this is a humiliating aspect for our fellow senior
citizens. I find it so difficult and so unwilling to accept.
I particularly appreciate the Senator's long explanation and detailed
elaboration of the Senator's own bill. I pay great tribute to Senator
Graham and Senator Miller in terms of the fashioning of this proposal.
I am grateful to be able to join them. I think his careful review of
the other proposal should make our colleagues think of whether that
kind of a proposal is worth any degree of support.
Mr. GRAHAM. I have just one last comment about the automobile. As it
is for most of us, an automobile is more than just a means of
transportation; it is a statement of our independence, our ability to
be able to do those things that make life meaningful. This is a
particularly important thing for older Americans, many of whom live in
rural areas. If you say you have a choice, can you imagine the pain
that a 75-year-old American living in a rural area in your State, or
mine, or Senator Cleland's, or Senator Stabenow's, would feel if they
say: Here are your choices: We can give you access to some payment for
a drug which, if you are unable to secure will almost assuredly decline
the quality of our life, and maybe cause death, but in order to get
that assistance, you have to give up your independence by giving up the
vehicle that allows you to have some degree of mobility. What kind of
country is America? We are saying this to the generation that we have
defined as our greatest generation. These are, in many cases, the
people who have not only lived through the Depression of the 1930s,
when our country was in tremendous jeopardy, they fought to defend our
country, or they worked in the defense industries, as did that
wonderful generation of young American women who did hard manufacturing
work in order to be sure that those ships, planes, and tanks were
built; and now we are going to tell these people when they are 75 years
old: give up your mobility and your independence or give up life
because you cannot afford to buy the prescription drugs. What kind of
an America is that? That is not the kind of America by which I want my
children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren to judge my
generation.
Beyond those points, the insult even gets worse because, to use my
example of Olga, she is not going to be immune from this gap, either.
So under the Republican plan, once she hit the wall, the beginning of
that big nonnutritious hole in the middle of this coverage, she would
have to pay between $3,450 and $5,300 of drug costs, without getting
any assistance.
So we have added insult to the tearing away of dignity and
independence. The Republican plan would make this gap harder to fill by
only including payments directly made to beneficiaries on their behalf.
This is a technical issue, but it is an extremely important issue for
many of our elderly.
The typical person, when they were 45 years old, their union
negotiated a contract with their employer and the employer said: All
right, I am going to put on the table an additional 25 cents an hour of
immediate income; or I will write into this contract a provision that
says when you get old and retire, I will pay a portion of your
prescription drug costs.
I happen to be a retiree of the Florida State retirement system, and
I am eligible, when I go on Medicare, to get a certain amount every
month toward my prescription drug costs. We are going to say that in
calculating how much you have to have spent out of your pocket to
become eligible for the catastrophic coverage, you can't include the
money that your employer is contributing. You have paid for it back 25
years ago when you gave up that quarter an hour of additional
compensation to get that benefit, but now it suddenly evaporates in
terms of counting toward meeting your catastrophic number that will
allow you to avoid future copayments for your drugs.
It is just blatantly unfair, and it has been one of the hidden
issues. If I thought of this idea, I would want to hide it, too. It has
been effectively hidden.
Mr. KENNEDY. Can I ask the Senator, and I am so glad the Senator is
taking the time to explain this issue, and I hope our colleagues are
going to pay some attention to it because it is very easy to say: A
prescription drug bill here, a prescription drug bill there, is there
really any difference? The Senator is pointing out in great detail some
of the very powerful differences.
One that is enormously important is how the Graham bill treats
employers. Those good employers who are trying to provide a
prescription drug benefit for their employees are hard pressed,
particularly smaller businesses that pay a disproportionately high
percentage in premiums. Nonetheless, they are prepared to do it.
Under the Graham proposal, there are provisions which help those
employers maintain at least the coverage for the employees. It seems to
me that everyone wins: The employee wins; the employer wins. The
objective of the Graham bill is to make sure they have the coverage, as
compared to the Republican plan which has disincentives, as I
understand, in terms of the employers.
There are clear disincentives for employers to maintain the coverage,
which means there is going to be additional costs and a higher risk of
coverage. It is a very important part of the Graham proposal. I wonder
if the Senator will spell that out because that is so important when we
are looking at what is going to happen to companies that are providing
prescription drugs and which program is best suited to make sure we
have a continuity of coverage.
Mr. GRAHAM. The Senator is absolutely right. Under the current
system, about 30 percent of our 39 million Medicare beneficiaries
receive some assistance with their prescription drugs through their
previous employer. Frankly, that number has been declining as in more
recent years employers have been less willing to add to their benefit
package a prescription drug payment in retirement. But 30 percent of
current seniors do have that, and there is concern that under the House
plan, which has no incentive for those employers to continue to provide
the service, they are going to say: Look, we do not need to continue to
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these checks to our retirees. There is now a Federal program. So we are
going to cancel out and turn all these people over to the Federal
Government to pay.
What we are proposing is that the Federal Government should
essentially enter into a partnership with those employers. We would
pick up two-thirds of the cost of what we would otherwise pay for a
beneficiary. The employer would pick up the rest. It saves the
employers two-thirds of what they are paying now, but it gives them
enough incentive that they will continue to participate rather than
have a new way of cost shift to the Federal Government and to the
beneficiaries themselves since under the Republican plan it is less
generous than most of these current employee plans, and so they will
have to pick up--they, the beneficiaries--additional expenses.
Mr. KENNEDY. If the Senator will yield, as I understand, the CBO has
estimated there would be 3.5 million people who are covered now with a
good program who would lose that good program and be in the substandard
Republican plan.
Mr. GRAHAM. Absolutely.
Mr. KENNEDY. That is CBO. There are the assets provisions the Senator
just described. There is a provision which is a disincentive for the
employers. And there is the doughnut or the wall which the Senator has
described. This is enormously important because their bill fails the
truth in advertising test.
Mr. GRAHAM. Mr. President, I appreciate the Senator's thoughtful,
incisive questions which underscore some of the differences--I think
clear deficiencies--in the legislation the House has already passed.
According to the Corporate Health Care Coalition, the benefit of
employer-sponsored coverage is minimized under the Republican proposal
and, as the Senator from Massachusetts said, threatens to force
employers to choose between private plans or the Medicare plan, and the
estimate is that a substantial number of employers would elect to dump
their current coverage for retirees and let this become a full Federal
plan responsibility.
This would be a threat to over 3 million seniors who today are able
to rely on a reduced prescription drug benefit and which under our
program would be able to, should they elect to do so, have the benefits
of both their employer plan and the new Medicare plan as, in insurance
industry terms, a wraparound policy.
Everyone in this Chamber understands the need for fiscal discipline,
but this should not come at the cost of providing a meaningful drug
benefit for Medicare beneficiaries.
The budget passed by the Senate Budget Committee provides up to $500
billion for a prescription drug benefit. Mr. President, our plan is
within that range.
We do not have to provide beneficiaries a Cadillac. Rather, we would
be more prudent to provide them with a Chevrolet or a Ford a reliable,
useful automobile. But we also do not need to provide a benefit that is
more like a moped--unreliable and cannot be driven on regular roads.
Mr. President, I say to my colleagues in the Chamber, now is the
time. We have come to the Senate floor year after year promising
America's seniors a prescription drug benefit, and every year the
seniors have come to the beginning of the new fiscal year thinking this
will be the year in which we will see the promised land, this will be
the year in which these promises are delivered. Sadly, to recount,
every year the seniors have found not an open door but a closed and
padlocked door.
Today we can take the giant leap that Medicare beneficiaries have
been waiting over the years for us to take. Just last week in
Minneapolis, President George Bush said:
We must make sure that whatever system evolves does not
undermine the great innovations that take place in America.
Surely an untried, untested system such as the House Republican
proposal which has already passed will have exactly that uncertain
impact on medical advances. By using a system that is based on what we
already know works, we do not threaten that innovation. We can, in
fact, contribute and advance innovation.
That is what our proposal does. By passing the exact system that
every Member of the Senate and most Americans use to get their
prescription drugs, it is within our power to give America's elderly
the parity, the security, they deserve in their lives and in their
health care.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Carper). The clerk will call the roll.
The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for
the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I rise to speak on the underlying bill and
on the background for Medicare, Medicare modernization, and
strengthening Medicare.
First, I am delighted the discussion of health care security for our
seniors has reached this stage of debate, active discussion, and active
deliberation in this body. The House of Representatives admirably took
this issue head on, worked very diligently through a committee process,
and produced a bill, after debate, after discussion, and it passed. The
House bill received a majority of votes and represents a very
deliberate and very solid effort to address the cost of prescription
drugs. More importantly, it addresses the issue of health care
security--including prescription drugs as a part of the armamentarium
physicians or nurses can use in looking seniors in the eyes and saying
their health care security can be complete by passage of this bill. I
think this is the crux of the issue.
Now is the time for us to act to include prescription drugs--that
powerful tool, that powerful element of health care as we know it
today--as part of the overall health care security package for our
seniors. Including a prescription drug benefit within Medicare is long
overdue. Prior to coming to the Senate, I was blessed to spend 20 years
providing care to thousands of Medicare patients in the field of chest,
heart, lungs, pulmonary status, emphysema, lung cancer, heart disease,
and stroke. Thirty years ago, medicines, including prescription drugs,
were used in these fields. However, 20 years ago prescription
drugs were used a lot more, 10 years ago even more, and today they are
an absolutely essential part of health care delivery.
As a surgeon, I do not want to say prescription drugs are more
important than surgery, but it is getting to the point that medicines
people take every day are equally important in acute and chronic care
and in disease management. Now is the time for us to address the
financing of health care delivery in this country, both in terms of the
organization of health care delivery and insurance coverage.
Everybody knows the Medicare Program is absolutely critical to health
care security. I think my colleagues in the Senate will agree that
Medicare, health care security for our seniors and for our individuals
with disabilities, is critically important and vital. It is imperative
that we do not forget that the Medicare debate applies to both seniors
and those with disabilities. I believe now is the time to strengthen
it. Others might say to modernize it. Yet even others will say to
reform it. Whatever word is used, now is the time to take a 1965
program which has been modified over the years in the way that we
incrementally do things--and strengthen the program. We need to
modernize the program to truly deliver what our seniors and disabled
individuals expect us to do--to give them health care security.
So whether one uses the word ``save,'' ``strengthen,'' ``modernize,''
or ``reform,'' now is the time to have a discussion on the floor about
the process itself.
As some people listen to the debate about Medicare and prescription
drugs, many will question why we need to address the process. The
process is important to help move such complex bills along in order to
produce a good bill that can be married with the House bill. We can
accomplish what most people want to achieve affordable access to
prescription drugs for our seniors. This is a complicated issue because
the overall cost of prescription drugs will continue to escalate unless
we fix it.
Furthermore, health care delivery will continue to change in terms of
the overall relative importance of inpatient hospital care, outpatient
care, acute care, chronic management, and
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disease management. The process is designed to take this complex bill
which could potentially be the single largest expansion of an
entitlement program and modernize it, including the coverage of
prescription drugs.
It is important to enact a bill in a responsible way. The demand for
prescription drugs is going to be high because people will be counting
on drugs for cures and to improve quality of life. With that sort of
potential growth superimposed on a Medicare Program which is not
designed for such growth, the impact will literally bring the overall
program down.
For some time, the President and I have argued that as we look for
prescription drug coverage inclusion, we need to do it in a way that is
responsible to the American people--to seniors, to individuals with
disabilities, to the taxpayer, to the current generation. This is also
important to the next generation coming through the system who, if we
do not appropriately fix Medicare, simply will not have the Medicare
Program that they expect and deserve for their parents or for them a
generation from now. Therefore, Medicare must be strengthened. Medicare
must be improved.
I argue we should address prescription drugs through a process that
includes the committee structure, where appropriate debate can be
carried out. It is not clear if people have followed the debate over
the course of today, including which bills are going to be considered,
if there are going to be large bills to modernize all of Medicare, if
there are going to be very specific bills that look at the prescription
drug package to be placed in Medicare, or whether there are going to be
catastrophic plans. I am hopeful, if we are going to bypass the
committee process and come directly to the floor, that we debate all of
those bills so the American people and our colleagues will have the
opportunity to see the range of alternatives. If we consider just one
bill, especially if it is a very partisan bill and has not been taken
through a committee process, the long-term risk to the American people
is huge. This will not just affect Medicare beneficiaries but will
impact generations who will be Medicare beneficiaries in the future and
the people who are paying for Medicare today.
Pharmaceuticals are a critical component of health care delivery. Now
is the time to act, so let's do it. Let's not talk about a plan that
will take effect 3 years, 4 years, 5 years from now. Let's go ahead and
start today and let's do it in a responsible way.
Other Medicare issues my be addressed if health security is our goal.
These issues include preventive services and other benefits that are
covered by private health care plans today that are not covered in
Medicare. When we strengthen, reform and modernize Medicare, we need to
do so in a more comprehensive fashion.
We need to look at the Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan, the
FEHBP--the health insurance coverage my colleagues and I have. You do
not hear us complaining very much about our health care insurance. It
is the same plan through which about 10 or 11 million Federal employees
get their health care today. We ought to look at that model as we look
to include prescription drugs.
There are a number of principles that do need to be stressed as we
look forward because we do not know exactly what amendments are going
to be coming to the floor today or over the next several days as we
consider prescription drug coverage. I would like to stress four
principles as we consider prescription drug benefit plans.
First, a prescription drug benefit should be permanent, affordable,
and immediate.
By ``permanent,'' I mean that we should not look at bills that will
fix the program in another 4 to 5 years, rather, we need a bill to fix
the program sooner. We need to act now. We need to have a bill that
will help seniors and individuals with disabilities as soon as
possible. So, I argue we should not start a bill or legislation and
have its effect, say, 3 years from now.
When I say a prescription drug benefit should be permanent, I think
it is dishonest for us to tell seniors that this is the fix when it
only applies for 4 years to 6 years. It should be incumbent upon us to
develop a plan, a proposal. We need to be smart enough to do it in a
bipartisan fashion and include time for adequate discussion, so that we
pass a bill that can be sustained over time--whether in times of
deficit, or surplus. Additionally, a prescription drug benefit needs to
take into consideration breakthroughs in medicine that find cures,
treat or prevent such diseases as heart disease, Parkinson's disease,
emphysema, and other lung diseases. Therefore, such a benefit must be
sustainable to the best of our ability over time.
That means when we look at a plan, we don't say it starts at 2005 or
2006 or 2 years from now, and then sunsets 5 years later. I think we
need to be honest with seniors and the current generation who is paying
for Medicare today by ensuring that this plan is something that can be
sustained to the best of our ability, and that it can be sustained over
time. So, principle number 1 provides for a permanent, affordable, and
immediate prescription drug benefit.
A second principle is that a prescription drug benefit should, in
some way restrain what cannot be sustained long-term--the skyrocketing
cost of prescription drugs that we see today. Seniors and individuals
with disabilities cannot afford the high costs of drugs. Likewise,
people in the private sector cannot afford it. Thus, a prescription
drug benefit must lower the cost of prescription drugs. I would argue
the only known way of doing that long term is through an element of
competition, an element where you have informed consumers. It is an
obligation of us in government to inform consumers. Consumers are those
on the front line--seniors listening, to patients, to doctors, to
nurses. Really, it boils down to what is happening at the doctor/
patient relationship, to involve an element of educated consumers
making smart, and commonsense decisions, long term.
The Congressional Budget Office has found that bills similar to
Senator Daschle's bill, which will likely be coming to the floor later
this week, would not decrease overall drug costs, but would increase
drug costs. According to the Congressional Budget Office, bills that
rely on public/private sector partnerships and an element of
competition will help maintain the costs of drugs. For example, the
House of Representatives bill that passed by a majority vote
illustrates this point. Additionally, the Breaux-Frist bill, introduced
in the 106th and 107th Congress, is based on the Federal Employees
Health Benefits Plan model which relies on the private/public
partnership. Overall, these bills include an element of competition,
capturing the very best of the public and the private sector working
together and reducing drug costs for seniors.
The third principle--following the first principle of permanent,
affordable, and immediate prescription drug benefit and the second
principle of competition to lower the cost of prescription drugs--is
that a prescription drug benefit should be fiscally responsible. We
need to do it. We need to act in this Congress. We need to act now so
it will take effect now, and we need to do it responsibly. This is
where dollar figures are important, so we know what these relative
alternatives are all about.
Experts estimate proposals offered by Senator Daschle and some Senate
Democrats would cost at least $600 billion over the next 8 to 10 years.
In a time of deficit spending and in a time where the economy is tough,
this would ultimately require cuts in other fields like education,
national defense and Social Security. Furthermore, it would place a
heavy financial burden on the current generation receiving benefits,
the generation that is paying for those benefits, and the following
generations.
The fourth principle I would like to stress is that a prescription
drug benefit should be bipartisan. That means we need to come together.
This is a big challenge. This is a big, new entitlement that at the end
of the day is likely to be adopted--and I would argue should be
adopted--if it is done in a responsible way. I would argue in this
climate, especially in this climate where the Senate is about 50-50,
where the American people are about 50-50 in terms of partisanship,
that the only way for us to succeed is through a bipartisan bill. We
need to have people from both sides of the aisle working together in a
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way. Yes, we will concede to tradeoffs on either side to come to common
ground. But we need to do it in a bipartisan manner.
The good news is that if we can pull it off with the right
leadership, if we can pull it off with people who recognize the
importance of pulling people together, we can do it and it can be done
now. This will result in seniors benefitting very soon. It can be done
in a way that is sustainable. I am absolutely convinced there are
enough people who will work together in a bipartisan way on both sides
of the aisle--majority of Republicans and majority of Democrats--so we
can pass such a bill.
That is a challenge. It is a challenge because we have about 112 days
left until the elections commence. The real risk is in trying to pass
such a major piece of legislation in a partisan way--partisan could
bring it down to where we do not pass a bill. Amidst all the talk at
the end of the day, there are not going to be sufficient votes because
the bills are not bipartisan.
A lot of the discussion today has been basically the other side of
the aisle reaching out and saying we are ready to move forward, we want
to take action. But much of the backdrop, is that the Senate Democrats
today actually canceled or postponed a markup because of a fear that
the tri-partisan bill that normally--normally the bill would come
through the Finance Committee to be debated and amendments could be
debated and passed or failed. There could be good debate among 20
people in that Finance Committee. The committee of jurisdiction was
bypassed today with these bills being brought directly to the floor.
If you agree and if the American people agree that a prescription
drug benefit is big, now is the time to act.
The only way in an environment today that tends to be partisan
because of these elections is to demand bipartisanship. The only way to
pass a prescription drug benefit is to openly consider the bipartisan
and the tripartisan bills. And we do that, I again argue, first in the
Finance Committee; however that does not look like that is going to
happen.
I want to make absolutely sure that the Republicans are not
overstating the importance of taking a bill this big through the
Finance Committee before coming to the floor of the Senate. The
tripartisan bill--the bill that has the majority of votes in the
Finance Committee--has not been debated and has not been voted on or
marked up in the Finance Committee. Additionally, the bill that Senator
Daschle likely will bring to the floor sometime in the next several
days is a strictly partisan bill which has not been considered in the
Finance Committee either. The American people need to understand that
Senator Daschle is playing straight up politics. I asked the
Congressional Research Service to look up the top 10 or so major
Medicare bills which passed the Congress over the past two decades and
to find out: (1) Where were they first considered? (2) Did they bypass
committee and brought directly to the floor of the Senate? They
responded. It is very interesting. It looks as if there are about 12 to
15 major bills that have been considered over the past two decades.
With the exception of one, all of these bills were considered and
reported by the Senate Finance Committee before they were enacted into
law. Those bills, again for reference--were TEFRA in 1982, DEFRA in
1984, COBRA in 1986, OBRA in 1978, the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage
Act of 1998, the repeal of the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act in
1989, OFRA in 1989, OFRA in 1993, BBA in 1995, BBA in 1996, BBRA in
1999 were considered through the Finance Committee. The only
legislation out of the 13 which bypassed committee was BIPA in 2000.
BIPA is the only piece of legislation out of the 13 bills that did not
have Finance Committee consideration before congressional passage.
However, I should note that even that particular bill--BIPA--was
overwhelmingly bipartisan and passed overwhelmingly as part of the HHS
appropriations in the year 2000. I mention this because it is important
for the American people to understand the importance of the process
which is now being bypassed in order to consider bills, which if they
remain partisan will simply not pass this body.
Let me comment briefly on what I think and what I expect will happen
over the next several days. I expect tomorrow we will continue to
debate the underlying reforms in Hatch-Waxman. I look forward to
hearing from Senator Hatch and others about that particular bill.
There will be several existing bipartisan proposals that are
currently being filed and currently being submitted that will be
introduced. I think we will have a good debate on a range of issues. It
will be an educational process as we go through each of the amendments
in the bills that come forward.
I hope as we consider these bills that we have as a goal to make them
not political issues but to make sure that they are substantive policy
issues that come forward. It is simply too important to be playing
politics with our seniors' health care security. I think there will be
a lot of opportunity over the next few days to talk about these
specific Medicare proposals.
Let me close and simply comment on the patent reform bill and the
modifications in Hatch-Waxman that we will in a more systematic way
begin to address tomorrow. I think access to prescription drugs clearly
needs to be the focus as we go forward, but the overall cost is
important too because if you have prescription drugs and other drugs
escalating with skyrocketing costs, there is, I think, no system that
we can contain that long term over time.
The Hatch-Waxman law, which was passed in 1984, has been tremendous,
but it has an impact on cost. The cost issues that we see in the
private sector today are increasing 11, 12, and 13 percent. I don't
think health insurance can simply be sustained in the long term. One
major component of the increase in coverage is prescription drug costs
which continue to skyrocket.
But I need to caution my colleagues who did not have the opportunity
to sit through the Hatch-Waxman hearings in the Health Committee, it is
pretty technical. It is important that we go back and do it right, that
we fix Hatch-Waxman, or that we update it and modernize it because it
really hasn't had a major look since 1984. But we must do it in a way
that maintains the very careful balance that legislators very smartly
put together in 1984.
The balance boils down to the fact that you have prescription drugs
in the pharmaceutical industry that values patents and certain
protections. Because they have those protections for a period of time,
they are willing to invest, they are willing to innovate, they are
willing to discover, and they are willing to put capital at risk. It is
imperative that we all know how important that is. The only answer to
finding a cure for coronary sclerosis, for pulmonary emphysema, for
acute types of leukemia, or for something as big as HIV/AIDS is going
to be research. Furthermore, I would argue that most of the world's
research is being conducted in the United States of America.
Nevertheless, the protection and the incentives that we give to make
these great discoveries must be balanced. This is the balance that was
achieved by Hatch-Waxman with access to drugs. That, in large part, is
determined by a strong, a productive, a broad, a growing generic drug
industry where we know that important drugs are available at a
reasonable cost. When Hatch-Waxman started, generics were only about 20
percent of all drugs. Now it is much greater--greater than 50 percent.
But it is time to focus on some of those deficiencies in Hatch-Waxman.
It is that balance that needs to be reviewed because both generic
prescription drug companies and brand name companies have abused or
found loopholes in Hatch-Waxman. Now is the time to fix the loopholes.
We need to do that in a correct manner. That is what much of the debate
will be about as we go forward.
Another topic, we had the opportunity last week on a couple of days
to talk about is bioequivalence. It too is a little bit technical. But
it is very important because, if we get it wrong, it is not just a cost
issue. If we get it wrong, it can affect safety issues in terms of
drugs and generic drugs.
The Hatch-Waxman law allows generic companies to market off-patent
drugs if they are demonstrated to be bioequivalent.
There are definitions of bioequivalence that are applied today. If
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have drug A, and you have another drug, and you are saying, well, this
drug is the same as drug A, you want to make sure when you actually
take that drug that it has the equivalent impact in fighting disease,
the impact that it is billed to have, that the active ingredient is
absorbed at the same rate, and that the side effects are the same.
The bill, which is the underlying bill on the floor today, could
significantly weaken this important patient protection by giving the
Food and Drug Administration, the FDA, broad authority to relax the
statutory Hatch-Waxman bioequivalency standard.
Senator Hatch will be on the floor in the next several days, I am
sure. I look forward to joining him in talking about a range of issues
that are of concern to him--and he has been around a long time in terms
of watching this bill and watching the effectiveness of this bill--and
myself and many others.
Again, there are many other Members on the floor who wish to talk, so
I will bring things to a close. But I wanted to bring forward the
principles that I think should underline the debate as we move forward.
I wanted to point out, in the bill that is currently actively on the
floor, this modification of Hatch-Waxman. There are a range of issues,
such as bioequivalence, that I look forward to debating and talking
with others about.
At the end of the day, in order for us to really be able to look
seniors in the eyes and say, health care security is what this bill is
all about, it means we are going to have to work together, we are going
to have to do it in a way that is bipartisan, that clearly does not
have strict partisanship. We cannot play politics with an issue that is
this important.
I look forward to working with my colleagues as these bills more
formally come to the floor.
Thank you, Mr. President.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Nelson of Nebraska). The Senator from New
York.
Mr. SCHUMER. Mr. President, I am glad to take the floor today because
we are beginning a historic and very important debate on the issue of
the accessibility and the cost of prescription drugs. It is going to be
a very important 2 weeks.
I, first, thank the majority leader for giving us that kind of time.
This is not an issue that should be dealt with quickly. It is an
important issue. It affects all of our constituencies. And there are
many different sides to it. Anyone who thinks the issue is totally cut
and dry is mistaken.
We have had great advances in our health care system. Many of them
are due to these prescription drugs. We knock our health care system.
It is easy to do. But we often forget about its successes.
I point to my childhood where, in my neighborhood, Brooklyn, my
friends would get on their bicycles and come to my house on Wednesday
afternoons, and they would park their bicycles in the front and walk to
the backyard and push their heads up against the window of our kitchen
because sitting in our kitchen every Wednesday afternoon was something
of a curiosity. It was my great-grandmother, and she was 81.
Most children in the neighborhood had never seen someone over 80. And
she was billed as: ``Come see the oldest lady in the world.'' The kids
from the neighborhood would come around and look at her. And God bless
her, she lived a long, tough life.
But now, only 50 years later, we have Willard Scott on TV reading--he
has given up reading about 80-year-olds and 90-year-olds and 100-year-
olds--about people who are 105 and 106.
Being 80 is young. My parents, thank God--my dad is going to be 80
next year. He is healthy. He has had a few little bouts, but he is
healthy.
That is the other point I make. We not only live longer, we live
better. When I think of my dad, who is 79, and played golf Sunday--my
family and I went over and had dinner with him and my mom. And I
compared them to--I mentioned this to them just that night--how my
great-grandmother was so very old and could hardly walk at 81, and here
is my dad, just about 80, filled and vibrant.
That did not happen all by accident within 50 years. We have had
enormous advances in health care. And let's give credit where credit is
due.
A good number of those advances are because of the prescription drugs
we have. They are wonder drugs. I did not experience any of them until
a year ago when our House physician--our Capitol physician; I am still
used to calling him the House physician--prescribed Lipitor because my
cholesterol was high and, boom, down it went, almost like a miracle. He
explained to me that increases my chances of living longer and
healthier. So these drugs are very good things. We do not knock them;
we like them. We are glad they exist.
I think every one of us in this body realizes that it takes a lot of
work to create some of these drugs; that it takes time; it takes
mistakes.
I took organic chemistry when I was in college, in the days when my
parents had dreams that I would be a doctor--dreams that went by the
wayside, I regret to tell my colleagues.
To do one of those organic chemistry experiments, it is 50 steps.
Those are little ones, the rudimentary ones. If you mess up step 46,
you do not go back to step 45, you go to the first step because you
contaminated the sample. Well, multiply that a million times, and that
is how difficult it is to conceive and make these new drugs.
So the companies that make these drugs deserve a lot of credit. These
drugs are wonder drugs; they are terrific.
When my friend from Tennessee, Dr. Frist, comes on the floor, with
all his erudition, and says we have to make sure there is a balance, I
could not agree more. There has to be a balance. If we were, tomorrow,
to do something that would mean the next generation of wonder drugs
would not come on the market, we would be disserving everybody:
ourselves, our children, our grandchildren. So that is important.
That is why the legislation that is before us today, introduced by
Senator McCain and myself, was honed with such care.
Dr. Frist is right. I am not going to talk in great detail about
this. We will have another day to debate the issues. I guess the
minority is going to bring some amendments. We will get into the
specifics of our bill later. But I do want to say we have taken a great
deal of care in how we crafted this bill, mindful of the balance.
Our goal has been to keep that balance. It is our view, Senator
McCain's and myself, almost by definition--the 16 bipartisan members
who voted for our bill; in even Dr. Frist's view, who voted against the
bill--that that balance had fallen out of whack. Here is what I think
happened.
I think for the first 10 years or so, the Hatch-Waxman Act, the
Generic Drug Act, worked quite well. New companies that tried to
innovate, produced a whole lot of very fine innovations, got a great
rate of return. If you look at Wall Street numbers, the drug companies
did just about better than any other industry in terms of their
profitability. So they were not hurt.
But, at the same time, it was a pretty certain thing that after that
drug had its run, and the company not only recouped its costs, and
recouped the costs of the mistakes that were made--natural and
reasonable--and made a very fine profit, we would let other companies
come and put these drugs out on the market.
It worked. When the generic drug comes on the market--we will have a
lot more to say about this tomorrow--the cost plummets from 25 to 50
percent of what it otherwise was. A prescription that might cost $100
you can get for $25. Success is shown by the fact that now 47 percent
of all the drugs prescribed are generic drugs, creating the same
medical benefit but costing people a whole lot less and, incidentally,
costing our State governments less when they pay for Medicaid, costing
our big companies less when they pay for their health care plans,
costing our HMOs less, as well as costing the average person less when
he or she goes to the drugstore counter.
What happened in the last 5 years, in my judgment, was that Hatch-
Waxman was thrown out of whack. It was thrown out of whack because too
many--not all, by the way; a company such as Merck does not engage in
this practice; a few other companies are very reticent and reluctant
and mild in the way they engage in this practice--in general, a whole
lot of drug companies saw that they had these huge
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blockbuster drugs on the market and the patents were expiring. They
said: My goodness, now the generics will come along, and what are we
going to do? We will make a lot less money.
What they started to do was to work with their lawyers and their
advertisers and everybody else to figure out ways to basically extend
the life of the drug. They have done it a whole lot of ways. In fact, I
think I will submit for the Record five or six articles in the Wall
Street Journal--hardly a publication that is anticapitalist--that
showed various ways drug companies tried to get around the laws, tried
to stretch the laws. Many of them involved the use of generics. But
suffice it to say, they tried to figure out ways of going beyond the
original Hatch-Waxman intent.
One of the key ways they did it was to, what I call, innovate, not
new drugs but new patents--same old drug, new patent. And because the
law had never been updated, as Dr. Frist said, they found a lot of
clever ways to do it.
It began to get out of hand. They would say: Give me a new patent
because I am changing the type of pill. Give me a new patent because
there is a different color bottle in which I will put the drug. No one
who voted for Hatch-Waxman thought these were reasons to extend
patents.
Then they began to do other things. Some people came over to me and
asked: What about the situation where there is a vaccine for HIV and
they come up with an oral drug; why shouldn't you allow that to have a
new patent? We want to. We don't want to allow the oral patent to then
extend the vaccine patent. In other words, if they come up with an oral
one, let them apply from scratch, get the whole 20-year patent from the
day the patent is filed. But if the vaccine patent is about to expire
in a year, don't use the oral patent to extend the vaccine patent. That
is a little less virulent form of this kind of game.
So what Senator McCain and I did a couple years ago, actually, was
sit down and examine the most egregious abuses. We said: How are we
going to curb these abuses? How are we going to restore the original
balance of Hatch-Waxman?
The proposal we came up with did that. By the way, it made some of
the generic companies not happy either. This is not a bill that is just
supposed to side with the generic companies; it is a bill that sides
with the consumer. When the pharmaceutical company is abusive, we go
after them. But when the generic is abusive, we go after them, too.
In one part of our bill, we wanted to get at the fact that certain
generic companies that were given 180-day exclusivity so they might get
a leg up and give them incentive to go out on the market, they were
sort of selling that right to the pharmaceutical, the brand name
company, and then there would be no generic. We stopped that. It was
modified by the amendment of Senator Edwards and Senator Collins. But
we looked at the abuses on each side and said: Let's stop it. Let's
restore the balance.
This started out as a very modest bill. In fact, I think the
pharmaceutical industry didn't pay much attention. They said: Who is
going to pay attention to something that is admittedly technical? But
what we found was that when you looked at this bill, it was one of the
most important ways to reduce cost--reduce cost not just for seniors
but for everyone, reduce cost for government and get those generics
out.
Over the next couple of weeks we will have a debate on this, and
there will be amendments to change what we are doing--probably in the
next day or two--and we will debate it.
I want to say two things, though, in addition to talking about this
specific proposal. The first is the view of my good friend from New
Hampshire that somehow we didn't try to include him, that he is
delaying the bill because, well, we could have worked out this
language. First, this bill is not brand new. It wasn't written on the
back of an envelope last week; it has been around for a long time. On
many occasions I would go to Senator Gregg and say: Let's sit down and
work something out, and he would be amenable, but nothing much would
come of it.
The only point I am making is, he knew about the bill long before.
And then at the end, when in an effort to try to get this bill to be
bipartisan--it is always better--Senator Edwards and Senator Collins
started to work together on some changes and didn't do a terrible
injustice to our bill, Senator Gregg began to get involved. And we
started talking to him. Senator Kennedy and his staff were talking to
him. And basically when Senator Gregg had a few objections, we were
willing to go along with them.
First, he raised earlier the clarification of the language on this
45-day provision in the bill, the idea that you would have 45 days to
sue. Senator Gregg had reminded us that there was an agreement during
the markup to clarify the language, to make very specific that if a
patent owner chose not to sue one generic applicant, it wouldn't be
precluded from suing another. He is right. We honored that agreement.
It is in the proposal. Following the markup, the staff changed the
language to make the clarification so there would be no confusion.
It is my understanding that those technical changes were then
forwarded directly to Senator Gregg's staff. Then the first time we
heard about it was long afterwards. I guess it was this morning that we
heard this was a problem.
That doesn't sound to me as though you are concerned with policy.
That is saying to me, wait a minute, let's delay this thing. And I
don't think that is what we should do, no matter what our view is here.
We all agree on the policy. Let me clarify it. The intent of the
provision and the effect, because it is now clearly written--it may
have not been clearly written before--was not to cut off all the rights
of a patent owner if it refrains from suing a particular generic
applicant within 45 days. Rather, it just cuts their rights off to sue
that company.
It says that if a brand company chooses not to sue a particular
generic applicant on a particular patent, the brand company only loses
its right to sue that generic applicant or anyone else who sells or
distributes that applicant's version of the drug.
So if Schering-Plough chooses not to sue Mylan for a patent
infringement within 45 days, if they choose not to sue Mylan, they lose
their right to sue Mylan or anyone else who distributes Mylan's version
of the drug, but they will have every right to sue Barr or Teva or IVAX
or any of the others, in complete accord with what we said that day at
the markup.
This is no reason to hold up a bill. It says exactly what my friend
from New Hampshire wanted. Now, if there is some staff talk that the
language doesn't say that, let's sit down and take a look, but let's do
it immediately. Let's not spend 30 hours sitting on the floor, each of
us fulminating and not moving the bill forward and doing the people's
business.
We have a lot of issues to discuss--not just generic drugs. We will
discuss the Canadian importation and the ability of States to form
consortia--all to lower costs. Then there is the big debate, of course,
which is accessibility, allowing more people to get the drugs.
There is a one-two punch here: Lower the cost and extend the number
of people who have the ability to get the drugs. But it is just almost
to the point of, at best, counting the angels on a pin and, at worst, a
desire to delay, to say that we don't have an agreement.
I wanted to discuss another issue Senator Frist brought up--the
bioequivalence issue. There is a lot of debate about bioequivalence and
a lot of discussion about bioequivalence. The enemies of generic drugs,
early on, had tried to say that the generic is not the same as the
nongeneric in terms of its active ingredient. That reminds me of the
argument I had with my mother. I take a vitamin C pill. She would say:
Son, drink the regular orange juice. I would say: Mom, the vitamin C in
the pill is exactly the same as the vitamin C in the orange juice. She
said: No, no, no. I said: Well, it has nice little orange flecks in
there, and it tastes different, but if you looked at the oxygen,
hydrogen, and carbon atoms lined up in the vitamin C molecule, you
could not tell the difference. She said: No, no, have the orange juice.
It is the same thing my friend, the good doctor from Tennessee, is
talking about. The FDA knows what bioequivalence is. While some in the
brand name debate have tried to imply in the past
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that the generic drug isn't as pure, or its inert ingredients may be
different from nonactive ingredients, we all know it is bunk. The FDA
has had rules on bioequivalence that have met every test for years and
years, and no one has contested them. In all of the fighting between
the brands and generic name court cases, there hasn't been an issue.
All of a sudden, we are hearing that bioequivalence is an issue.
So what did we do? Senator Kennedy, in the bill--it may have been
Senator Edwards. Well, an amendment was added in the committee that
took exactly what the FDA has done, without any dispute for the last 10
years, and codified it. Now, all of a sudden, we are hearing that
bioequivalence is an issue. It is not an issue. It is a smokescreen for
people who want to delay.
So my view is a simple one. Let's get on with the debate. We have two
major issues before us--the issue of cost and the issue of access. The
McCain-Schumer bill, the Dorgan proposal, and the Stabenow proposal on
the States, all reduce the cost of the drug--here is my good colleague
from Michigan now whom I just mentioned--to everybody, including senior
citizens, parents who have a child who needs a serious drug, to State
governments.
Then let's go on to what will probably be the main show, which is
access, because so many people need access to these drugs. The one is
not exclusive of the other. People ask me, Will you be happy if just
the McCain-Schumer bill passes? No. I hope it will pass, but we have to
go beyond that and we have to increase access. We have to have a good
prescription drug plan to undo the mistake of those who wrote Medicare
in 1965--except they didn't know there were so many of these drugs.
My plea to colleagues is this: Enough. We are debating about the
number of angels on the head of a pin. We are debating about things
that have long been settled. Let's move the bill forward. Let's lower
our costs. Let's increase access. Let's disagree in a civil and fair
way, and then let's vote and let the chips fall where they may.
Mr. KENNEDY. Will the Senator be good enough to yield?
Mr. SCHUMER. I am happy to yield to our leader from Massachusetts.
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, I am struck by the point the Senator
makes again on the floor of the Senate, which I have heard him make
many times but which I think is important to understand, and that is
that this is actually a very conservative piece of legislation.
Effectively, if we accept the underlying legislation, which is just a
version of the legislation the Senator introduced with Senator McCain,
really we are going back to what the original intention of the Hatch-
Waxman proposal was all about.
I appreciate the Senator giving the historic perspective because at
the time we passed the Hatch-Waxman, we anticipated the breakthroughs
in many different areas of new pharmaceuticals to try to deal with the
challenges of our time. It has never been more likely than it is now.
We are in the life science century. Even since the passage of Hatch-
Waxman, we have seen the sequencing of the human genome. We have this
extraordinary DNA revolution. We have gone through these extraordinary
kinds of basic new research. We have seen this explosion using new
kinds of technology matched together with research, which is opening up
extraordinary possibilities. We have heard about this in our HELP
Committee.
So the opportunities are out there in terms of trying to see the day
when Alzheimer's is no longer the scourge of so many families in this
country. That would empty two-thirds of the nursing home beds in my
State of Massachusetts. That is probably true also in the State of New
York. We believe the Hatch-Waxman proposal was to try to make sure for
the drug companies, the brand companies, that were prepared to go ahead
and take advantage of these extraordinary opportunities, building on
the incredible investment the American taxpayer has made in the NIH,
which has been doubled in recent years. It is an additional reason the
Schumer amendment ought to go in.
We ought to have the energy of those companies in these breakthrough
new opportunities rather than in the ``me too'' drugs. This, I believe,
is not only dealing with the abuses that exist, but also, if we let
this continue along, it seems to me there will be a continued kind of
financial incentive not to take chances for these breakthrough drugs
that are out there, in terms of making such a difference in dealing
with the health challenges we face, and there will be these financial
incentives to game the system in order to deny people the lower cost of
drugs by the generics.
So I commend the Senator. We will have a lot of debate and discussion
about patent and patent laws and timing--30 months, and 180 days, and
45-day windows, and bioequivalency, and the rest. But we are talking
about, as the Senator eloquently stated, a major downpayment--the first
one that I know in any recent time that will bring pressure to lower
the cost of drugs.
This is a major achievement and accomplishment if we do it. It is not
going to solve the problem, but for the many families who are going
home tonight and buying their drugs and finding out that the costs have
increasingly gone up so far beyond the cost of living, it will make a
big difference, will it not?
Secondly, I don't know what the argument is--I have not heard it--for
the second provision of the Senator's amendment that deals with
collusion between the brand names and the generics, which is taking
place out there.
That is as bad as the gimmickry we have seen from these corporate
scoundrels who have made out like bandits, such as at Enron, getting
billions of dollars and then giving short shrift to the workers. What
is the difference if those corporations make out like bandits, and in
this case, instead of the workers, it is the seniors and sick people
who will suffer? I do not see a great deal of difference.
The Senator has made such a strong statement. I am as perplexed as he
is that we have not had a chance to get to the bill this afternoon and
debate it. The Senator has correctly given the interpretation we had of
the clarification of language that was raised.
I point out to the Senator and ask if he will agree with me, if they
do not agree with language, we will be willing to accept the language
to clarify those provisions. It is very clear what the intention was in
the hearing record. We are not trying to change our position. We are
still at that position. If they have language to do that, we will take
it now and get on with the bill.
We should be under no illusions. That is not it. They want to change
other provisions, substantive provisions. All the Senator from New York
is saying is, if that is the case, why are we not out here debating
those issues and taking votes on them and moving this legislation
forward?
Does the Senator find any reason this can justify why we are having
this delay on this important legislation that can make such a
difference to many people? Why is it that on a Tuesday afternoon in
July we are not doing the people's business and voting on these
matters, debating these matters but instead are caught in tactical
maneuvers by those who are opposed to the legislation?
I say to the Senator, it is being perpetrated by those who do not
want any bill at all. If we do not have any bill at all, there will be
brand companies that will make billions of dollars out of the pockets
and pocketbooks of the consumers, which is in complete violation of the
Hatch-Waxman bill. They are the ones who are behind this delay, and
that is unconscionable.
I would appreciate any comment the Senator wishes to make on that
issue.
Mr. SCHUMER. I thank my colleague. No one puts it better than he
does, and he is exactly right. Let's vote; let's debate. Our
differences are not very large. That is what makes us scratch our heads
and think that really they do not want a bill; they hope we will give
up. They hope people will lose interest. They hope something else will
come along, maybe another corporate scandal. But I think I can speak
for our leader, the Senator from Massachusetts, as well as the Senator
from Minnesota, as well as the Senator from Michigan, that we are not
letting this issue go away. They can delay us for a week or a month,
and we will be back, it is so important.
I will make one other comment. My colleague from Massachusetts is
just so good at this. After I am here half as
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many years as he, if I can be a quarter as good as him, I will be very
happy. Here is what he said and I think it is worth repeating.
We are doing not only the public but the drug companies a favor. With
this amendment, we are putting them back on track. They have lost their
way. They are degenerating into something that is hated. For people who
create such wonderful drugs, why should they be so despised? I saw a
survey just recently that the drug industry was more disliked than the
oil and gas industry. The reason is they all are losing their way. It
should not be for the Senator from Massachusetts, the Senator from New
York, the Senator from Michigan, and the Senator from Minnesota to help
them find their way; they should find it themselves. But they have lost
their way, and the Senator from Massachusetts has stated it
exquisitely, which is we are going to send them back on the path of
innovating, of creating new wonderful drugs, of doing good for society,
and making money as they do it. We want them to do that. But we want
them to add value, we want them to cure new diseases, not simply find a
new color of a pill that already cures a disease. We want them to find
new techniques.
We are sending them in the direction they started, but they have lost
their way, and the smart ones in the industry know. I hear it
whispered. They are letting the worst ones, the bad apples who will do
anything, extend their profitability even if they do not have a new
drug in their closet. They are letting those people lead and, in a
sense, what we are saying is: Go back to your sacred mission. Go back
to the mission of finding new cures and finding new drugs, and not only
will you make money, but you will be proud of what you do.
Mr. KENNEDY. Will the Senator yield on that point?
Mr. SCHUMER. I will be happy to yield to my colleague.
Mr. KENNEDY. On this point the Senator makes--and I hope our
colleagues will listen--we will put in the Record the exact figures,
but if one were to look at a chart for new drugs and innovation, one
would see that chart rising and rising, going up and up until almost
the passage of the Hatch-Waxman bill. From that time, the innovations
have gone down. It is the darndest thing we have ever seen.
I was absolutely startled by this. This might have been maybe one or
two circumstances, the evergreening process which the Senator has
outlined.
On the Senator's point about getting these drug companies back to
doing what we had all hoped they would do and we know they can do and
hopefully will do, every one of us have family members who benefit from
these innovations, but we find that is not where they are going.
We have doubled the NIH budget, $33 billion, $34 billion a year. We
doubled that over a period of time. Why did we double that at a time of
scarce resources? The reason we doubled it is because Democrats and
Republicans understood this is a life science century, and it is
unlimited in its ability. It seems everybody knows this except the drug
companies. That is what has been disappointing.
I thank the Senator again for outlining the basic provisions which,
as he has mentioned, bring us back to ground zero. They bring us back
to what was achieved with the Hatch-Waxman period, and does that to
eliminate the collusion which is taking place and the gimmicking of the
system which basically means higher prices for consumers. That is the
challenge.
If others have better ways of doing it, I am sure the Senator will
agree, let's do it, but we did not see that. My friend from Minnesota,
Senator Wellstone, was in that markup. We did not hear other ways of
doing it. All we heard was more delays, more delays, objections,
objections, objections. That is because clearly there are billions of
dollars at stake. We are talking about billions of dollars of profits
for certain of these companies. No wonder they are out here in force
trying to resist the Schumer proposal.
I thank the Senator for his excellent presentation.
Mr. SCHUMER. I thank the Senator from Massachusetts.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Minnesota.
Mr. WELLSTONE. Mr. President, I say to my colleague from Maine, and I
know the Senator from Michigan is here, I will actually be very brief.
This will not be a typical Wellstone speech. I only have about 10
minutes. I say to the Senators from New York and Massachusetts, I very
much enjoyed their discussion. I thank the Senator from New York for
his leadership on this issue.
I remember, I say to Senator Schumer, during my years here two very
humorous situations; one especially where somebody tried to extend the
patent for Lodine. I actually found out about this, and I think Senator
Kennedy was also involved in trying to get to the bottom of it. It was
in the language of the bill, but nobody would take credit for it.
Nobody would take credit for having done this, although obviously
somebody put in the language. It was you laugh or you cry--the whole
notion that we can extend the patent and it does not go generic and
they make a lot of money. But who gets hurt as a result?
The same thing has come up with Claritin as well. This is a no-
brainer of where 99 percent of the people of the country are, that is
for sure.
The only issue on which I disagree with my colleague from New York--
and I am sorry to be the one more hard hitting on this, and I do
apologize--I do not know that the pharmaceutical companies have lost
their way--as in recently. As I go back--Senator Kennedy probably knows
the history better than I do--I have done a lot of reading about Estes
Kefauver in the early fifties. He took on the pharmaceutical industry,
and they took him on.
David Pryor, am I not correct, really did this? We have been battling
it out with him for a long time. This is an industry that has been
making Viagra-like profits, if I can say that on the floor of the
Senate. It would be funny and a little cute to say it, except that what
this really means is people cannot afford the prescription drugs, at
least the people I represent.
This legislation is very important. I know Senator Collins has worked
very hard on it. There is quite a bit of bipartisan support. I had a
chance to speak earlier this morning about other provisions. I heard
Senator Graham speak earlier. Senator Kennedy has spoken about it.
I want to say one thing about two other pieces of this in about 4
minutes. One is on this whole question of, how are we going to make
sure there are affordable prescription drugs? I think delivery is
critically important. There is a world of difference between adding
this on to Medicare and making it a defined benefit.
We are learning all about defined benefits versus defined
contributions as people see what is happening to 401(k)s versus the
language in the House bill that suggests this will be the deductible
and suggests this will be the premium but, frankly, there is no
guarantee of it. This needs to be a defined benefit, and it does need
to be a part of Medicare. We ought to at least agree on that.
Then I think there are going to be these trade-offs as to how much
money versus how good is catastrophic coverage. I am sorry to go sort
of populist on everyone, but I think I heard the Senator from Florida
say earlier that for those of us in the Senate and the House--and we
make pretty darn good salaries compared to the vast majority of the
people we represent--something like 80 percent of our prescription
drugs are covered. We might pay 20 percent, and that is it. It seems to
me we ought to do as well for the people we represent.
My dream is to someday be in the Senate when we are debating Medicare
for all. That is what I want to get back to. I almost think the people
we represent should have as good a plan as we have through the Federal
Employees Health Benefits Plan. But that is another debate for another
time.
I cannot imagine how any of us could support any legislation that
says when it comes to catastrophic expenses, after someone is over
$2,000 a year--the very point where people are hurting--then we say we
are not going to give any coverage, not until they get up to $3,700.
That is nonsense. People say: What do you mean? One of the things we
want you to do is help us deal with what happens when our expenses go
up year to year. That is the second point.
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The third thing I want to mention is I am going to be doing a bill on
the whole question of drug reimportation for the year, which Senator
Dorgan has addressed. It could be Senator Snowe and Senator Collins
will be a part of this. I know Senator Stabenow is. We are going to
have legislation or an amendment that deals with cost containment, and
I want to say one more time it is a simple and straightforward
proposition. We are coming out together, and I assume there will be
some strong bipartisan support. I know I am going to do it with Senator
Dorgan and Senator Stabenow, and I think there will be Republicans as
well. Basically, what we are going to say is you use the same FDA
strict safety guidelines, and our citizens ought to be able to reimport
these drugs.
I want to give some examples, and then I will be finished, I say to
my colleague from Maine.
Celebrex, which is used for arthritis: A bottle costs $84.95 in the
United States and $30.99 in Canada.
Glucophage, a medicine for diabetes, costs $63.12 in the United
States and $16.68 in Canada. Think about that. I will not do the
arithmetic because people can figure it out.
Methotrexate, a drug for cancer: $51.03 in the United States, $17.30
in Canada;
Tamoxifen, a breast cancer drug: $287.16 in the United States, $24.78
in Canada--same bottle, same dosage.
Imagine that. There is nothing that infuriates people more in
Minnesota, makes them believe they are more exploited and ripped off by
this industry, than this sharp contrast in prices.
There is legislation that Senator Dorgan, Senator Stabenow, and I are
going to introduce, as well as others--I do not want to speak for
Senator Collins, but Senator Collins and Senator Snowe have been real
leaders on this issue. This does not ask the Federal Government to
spend any more money. We do not have to run into that issue. We do not
have to talk about how much it is going to cost. This will dramatically
reduce the cost of prescription drugs for our citizens.
The only question is this, and then I will sit down: I can promise,
once people know it is the same strict FDA guidelines, once we make it
clear if anything ever happens, if this goes wrong, then emergency
action can be taken--I will say to the Chair this will happen in
Nebraska--90 percent of the people are going to say: Absolutely, this
is the best kind of free trade, and we ought to be able to do this. We
ought to be able to reimport, or our pharmacists should be able to do
it. There is one interest that is going to be opposed--pharmaceutical
companies. They are not going to like it. But at a certain point in
time do we not say: Tough luck. This is going to be a test case of a
vote of whether we are going to represent the people in our States,
democracy for the many, or whether we are going to let the
pharmaceutical companies stop it. It is that simple.
We had a 97-to-0 vote last night on legislation on which Senator
Sarbanes and others worked so hard. That was stuck in committee
forever, and people finally said: We have had enough. Do you know what.
People in the country said it. People in the country are beginning to
say: We have had enough. We do not want the pharmaceutical industry to
run the show. We want you, Senator, to be accountable to us.
That is what these votes are going to be about. This is going to be a
test case of whether we have a real system of representative democracy
working.
I have taken some positions where I know the majority of people do
not agree with me, but not in this debate, not in terms of where the
vast majority of people in all of our States are. Let us not
disappointment them.
I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Maine.
Ms. COLLINS. This week we have a tremendous opportunity to make
progress on an issue that affects Americans of all ages, but
particularly our elderly, and that is the high cost of prescription
drugs. I hope by the time the end of next week comes along, we will
have passed the tripartisan legislation to provide a prescription drug
benefit under Medicare that is long overdue. I also hope we will pass
the legislation to which we are about to proceed, and that is the
Greater Access to Affordable Pharmaceuticals Act.
I commend my colleagues from New York and Arizona, Senator Schumer
and Senator McCain, for their leadership and hard work in bringing this
issue to the forefront. I was pleased to have had the opportunity to
join with my colleague from North Carolina, Senator Edwards, in
offering a compromise in the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Committee last week where it was approved by a strong bipartisan vote.
I also acknowledge the hard work of our chairman, Senator Kennedy,
and our ranking minority member, Senator Gregg, on this issue.
During the last 20 years, we have witnessed dramatic pharmaceutical
breakthroughs that have helped to reduce deaths and disability from
heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and many other diseases. As a
consequence, people are living longer, healthier, and more productive
lives. These medical miracles, however, often come with hefty
pricetags, raising vexing questions about how patients, employers, and
public and private health plans can continue to pay for them.
Prescription drug spending in the United States has soared by 92
percent during the past 5 years to almost $120 billion. These rising
costs are particularly a burden for the millions of uninsured Americans
as well as for those seniors on Medicare who lack prescription drug
coverage. Many of these individuals are simply priced out of the market
or forced to make decisions--that no one should have to make--between
paying the bills or buying the pills that keep them healthy.
Skyrocketing prescription drug costs are also putting a squeeze on
our Nation's employers. We are struggling in the face of double-digit
annual premium increases to continue to provide health care coverage
for their employees. I know from talking to the small businesses in my
State, these escalating costs are a real problem for our smaller
employers. They want to continue to provide health insurance coverage
for their employees but they simply are finding it increasingly
difficult to do so. If they pass on the higher health insurance costs
to their employees, more and more of the workers deny coverage. They
decline coverage because they cannot afford their share of the premium.
One of the key factors behind the escalating costs of health
insurance is the high cost of prescription drugs. These high costs are
also exacerbating the Medicaid funding crisis that we hear about from
our Governors back home as they struggle to bridge the growing
shortfalls in their State budgets.
The Presiding Officer and I have been working very hard on a proposal
to increase the Federal match for Medicaid funding to help our
Governors and our families, who are so dependent on these services,
cope through this difficult time when States are struggling with budget
shortfalls.
In 1984, the Hatch-Waxman Act made significant changes in our patent
laws that were intended to encourage pharmaceutical companies to make
the investments necessary to develop these miracle drugs. At the same
time, the legislation was intended to enable their competitors to bring
lower cost generic alternatives to the market. In large measure, the
Hatch-Waxman Act succeeded.
Prior to Hatch-Waxman, it took 3 to 5 years for generics to enter the
market after the brand name patent had expired. Today, lower cost
generics often enter the market immediately upon the expiration of the
patent. As a consequence, consumers are saving anywhere from $8 billion
to $10 billion a year by purchasing generic alternatives.
Moreover, there are even greater potential savings on the horizon.
Within the next 4 years, the patents on brand name drugs, with combined
sales of $20 billion, are set to expire. If the Hatch-Waxman Act were
to work as it was intended, consumers should expect to save between 30
to 60 percent on these drugs as the lower cost generics become
available after the patents expire.
However, despite its past successes, it is becoming increasingly
apparent that the Hatch-Waxman Act has been subject to serious abuse.
While many pharmaceutical companies have acted
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in good faith, there is mounting evidence that some brand name and
generic drug manufacturers have attempted to game the system in order
to maximize their profits at the expense of consumers. News reports,
for example, have detailed how the manufacturer of the lucrative drug
Prilosec, the patent on which was set to expire last fall, has used the
automatic 30-month stay under the Hatch-Waxman Act to tie up generic
manufacturers in court, in litigation, over secondary patents in order
to keep the generic version of the drug off the market.
In the year 2000, Prilosec was the best selling drug in the world and
generated an estimated $4.7 billion in U.S. sales. The Medicaid Program
in Maine spent over $8 million on Prilosec in the year 2000. This bill
could be cut in half if the generic alternative were available. So
instead of the State of Maine spending $8 million on Prilosec if the
generic were available, as it should have been last fall, the State of
Maine would save about $4 million. That is much needed money that could
be put into other health care services.
I mention that because that is just one drug. But that illustrates
what happens when a brand name manufacturer exploits the loopholes in
the current law to delay consumers access to the generic equivalent.
That is just wrong.
It is no wonder that this legislation is supported by a broad
coalition representing Governors, insurers, businesses, organized
labor, and individual consumers who are footing the bill for these
expensive drugs and whose costs for popular drugs such as Prilosec
would be cut in half if the generic alternative was available when it
was supposed to have been. We are not talking about infringing on the
legitimate patents that protect the innovative drugs developed by
pharmaceutical companies. We are talking about eliminating abuses that
we are finding increasingly prevalent where the brand name manufacturer
exploits the loopholes in the current law by engaging in excessive
litigation for the sole purpose of keeping the generic off the market.
I ask unanimous consent that letters from the Business for Affordable
Medicine and the Coalition for a Competitive Pharmaceutical Market
expressing support for the Edward-Collins compromise approved by the
committee be printed in the Record at the conclusion of my remarks.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
(See exhibit No. 1.)
Ms. COLLINS. Mr. President, I was also disturbed by the testimony of
the chairman of the Federal Trade Commission before the Senate Commerce
Committee. He testified there were a number of examples where the
branded and generic drug manufacturer actually conspired to game the
system and attempted to restrict competition beyond what the Hatch-
Waxman Act intended. One case cited in the chairman's testimony
involved the producer of a heart medication which in early 1996 brought
a lawsuit for patent and trademark infringement against the generic
manufacturer.
This is what happened. Instead of asking the generic company to pay
damages, the brand name manufacturer offered a settlement to pay the
generic company more than $880 million in return for keeping the
generic drug off the market. So the brand name manufacturer essentially
conspired with the generic manufacturer and paid off the generic
manufacturer to keep the cheaper generic alternative from coming to the
market.
The consequences for consumers were considerable. This heart
medication, which treats high blood pressure, chest pains, and heart
disease, costs about $73 a month but the generic alternative would have
cost only $32 a month. The compromise legislation that we will soon
consider will make cost-effective generic drugs more available by
restoring the original intent of the Hatch-Waxman Act and by closing
the loopholes that are delaying competition and slowing the entry of
generics into the marketplace.
First, as amended by the Edwards-Collins compromise, the legislation
would limit brand name manufacturers to a single 30-month stay for
patents listed at the time of the brand product approval. Now, this
will eliminate the brand manufacturer's ability to stack multiple and
sequential automatic 30-month stays during patent litigation in order
to keep generics off the market and extend their market exclusivity
indefinitely. That is one of the primary abuses that our proposal would
end.
It will help ensure that key patent issues are adjudicated before the
generic goes to market, while at the same time ensuring that improper
late listed patents are not able to obstruct market competition.
We heard in committee examples of the brand name manufacturer making
extremely minor changes, such as in the color or the design of the
packaging or the scoring of the pill that really did not indicate a
different or improved use for the product but, rather, were devices
intended to keep the generic off the market for a while longer.
For subsequent patents for which no automatic 30-month stay is
available, a brand name company can still obtain a preliminary
injunction based on merit to protect their patent rights and keep the
generic product off the market if it is justified, if there truly is a
legitimate patent issue. However, in too many cases we found there is
not a legitimate patent issue. This is just an abuse and an
exploitation of the loopholes in the current patent law.
Moreover, our legislation stipulates that the court is not to
consider the possible availability of monetary damages when it is
deciding whether or not to grant injunctive relief. This provision is
intended to address the concern expressed by the brand name
pharmaceutical companies that it is difficult to obtain injunctive
relief in patent litigation because it is the court's view the treble
monetary damages involved in these suits as an adequate remedy.
Second, the legislation will prevent the current 108-day exclusivity
provision of the Hatch-Waxman Act from becoming a bottleneck for
subsequent generic competitors. Under Hatch-Waxman, the first generic
drug company to file an application with the FDA certifying that the
patents on the brand name product are either invalid or will not be
infringed is now granted 180 days of market exclusivity, once its
application is approved. Entry to the market for other generics is
therefore frozen until the 180-day period runs out on the first-to-
file.
This provision has made it attractive for the kind of abuse that I
mentioned earlier, and that is where a brand name manufacturer pays the
first-to-file generic company to stay off the market.
What that results in is nobody else can come to market, under the
current law, during that 180-day period. So you can see how that is
abused, when the brand name firm pays the generic manufacturer to
essentially forfeit that 180 days of exclusive market rights.
Under our legislation, the first generic applicant would forfeit that
180 days of exclusive market rights if it failed to go to market during
that time, or entered into an agreement with a brand name company that
the FTC determines to be anti-competitive. I think that would help end
or eliminate altogether the kinds of deals between the brand name
manufacturer and the generic manufacturer that are such a disservice to
consumers.
The original Hatch-Waxman act was a carefully constructed compromise
that balanced an expedited FDA approval process to speed the entry of
lower cost generic drugs into the market with additional patent
protections to ensure continuing innovation.
Regrettably, however, the law now needs to be strengthened and
reformed so we can eliminate the abuses that we are seeing. This
bipartisan compromise bill restores that balance by closing the
loopholes that have reduced the original law's effectiveness in
bringing lower cost generic drugs to market more quickly. Increasing
access to these lower cost alternatives is all the more important as we
begin work to provide an affordable and sustainable Medicare
prescription drug benefit.
Mr. President, I urge all our colleagues to join me in supporting
this legislation. It will do a great deal to make prescription drugs
more affordable by promoting competition in the marketplace and
increasing access to lower price generic drugs.
I yield the floor.
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Exhibit 1
Coalition for a Competitive
Pharmaceutical Market,
Washington, DC, July 10, 2002.
Hon. Edward M. Kennedy,
Chairman, Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
Committee, U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
Dear Mr. Chairman: As a broad-based coalition of large
employers, consumer groups, generic drug manufacturers,
insurers, labor unions, and others, we are writing to advise
you of our strong support for the Edwards/Collins amendment
to S. 812, the Greater Access to Affordable Pharmaceuticals
Act. We believe it is critical that Congress act this year to
pass legislation that would eliminate barriers to generic
drug entry into the marketplace. The legislation you will be
marking up today clearly would accomplish this long-overdue
need.
Prescription drug costs are increasing at double-digit
rates, and clearly are unsustainable. Current pharmaceutical
cost trends are increasing premiums, raising copayments,
pressuring reductions in benefits, and undermining the
ability of businesses to compete in the world marketplace. We
believe that a major contributor to the pharmaceutical cost
crisis is the use of the Drug Price Competition and Patent
Term Restoration Act of 1984 clearly in ways unanticipated by
Congress, which effectively block generic entry into the
marketplace. The repeated use of the 30-month generic drug
marketing prohibition provision and other legal barriers have
resulted in increasingly unpredictable and unaffordable
pharmaceutical cost increases.
Although the compromise amendment being offered today does
not totally eliminate the 30-month marketing prohibition
provisions, as would be our preference, it does make
important process changes that will lead to a more
predictable, rational pharmaceutical marketplace. We
recognize that compromises have been necessary to garner the
support of a majority of the Members of the Committee and
appreciate your leadership and the hard work of your staff.
However, we would strongly oppose any additional amendments
that would undermine the intent of this legislation by
further delaying generic access or reducing competition and
increasing costs to purchasers. We also remain opposed to
legislation that would increase costs to purchasers either
through extended monopolies or unnecessary and costly
litigation.
We are convinced that the legislation you are advocating
will make a major difference in increasing competition in the
marketplace and enhancing access to more affordable, high
quality prescription drugs. We look forward to working with
you and other Members of the HELP Committee to ensure that
this important legislation is enacted this year.
The Coalition for a Competitive Pharmaceutical Market is an
organization of large national employers, consumer groups,
generic drug manufacturers, insurers, labor unions, and
others. CCPM is committed to improving consumer access to
high quality generic drugs and restoring a vigorous,
competitive prescription drug market. CCPM supports
legislation eliminate legal barriers to timely access to less
costly, equally effective generic drugs.
CCPM Participating Members: American Association of Health
Plans; Aetna; Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield; Blue Cross
and Blue Shield Association; Caterpillar, Inc.; Consumer
Federation of America; Families USA; Food Marketing
Institute; Generic Pharmaceutical Association; General Motors
Corporation; Gray Panthers; Health Insurance Association of
America; IVAX Pharmaceuticals; National Association of Chain
Drug Stores; National Association of Health Underwriters;
National Organization for Rare Disorders; Ranbaxy
Pharmaceuticals; TEVA USA; The National Committee to Preserve
Social Security and Medicare; United Auto Workers; Watson
Pharmaceuticals; and WellPoint Health Networks.
____
Business for Affordable Medicine,
Washington, DC, July 10, 2002.
Hon. Susan Collins,
U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Dear Senator Collins: The Business for Affordable Medicine
coalition encourages you to support the Edwards-Collins
amendment to the 1984 Drug Price Competition and Patent Term
Restoration Act (Hatch-Waxman Act).
The Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee
is scheduled to vote today on legislation to close loopholes
in the Hatch-Waxman Act that delay competition and prevent
timely access to lower-priced generic pharmaceuticals. Your
vote for the Edwards-Collins amendment will ensure genuine
reform for all Americans who face barriers to affordable
medicine.
BAM members hope to continue working with the Committee and
the Administration on appropriate enforcement mechanisms that
avoid unnecessary and costly litigation.
Consumers and institutional purchasers (including
employers, and federal and state governments) can no longer
afford the anti-competitive practices that are made possible
by loopholes in the Act. Now is the time for Congress to
restore the original intent of the Hatch-Waxman Act--no more
gaming of the system at the expense of purchasers across
America.
Please take a moment to review the attached information,
including a letter from BAM member governors outlining their
concerns about this costly issue and the need for real
reform. For more information about BAM, please visit our
webswite at www.bamcoalition.org.
Thank you for your assistance in making Hatch-Waxman Act
reform a reality during the 107th Congress.
Sincerely,
Jody Hunter,
BAM Co-Chair, Director, Health and Welfare, Georgia-Pacific
Corporation.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Miller). The Senator from Michigan is
recognized.
Ms. STABENOW. Mr. President, I appreciate the opportunity to speak
once again on this very important topic of lower prices of prescription
drugs and providing real Medicare prescription drug benefit. I join my
colleague in speaking to the fact that we need to pass the bill that
came out of the committee to close generic loopholes and stop the drug
companies from gaming the system. I think everyone should be commended
for bringing this to the floor. I appreciate the fact that they have
done that.
The frustrating thing at this point is, despite the fact that there
was an overwhelming bipartisan vote to bring this legislation to the
floor so we could begin to add to it--add medicare prescription drug
coverage, add other ways to increase competition and lower prices--we
come this week with great anticipation of this debate to work together
and work out all the details after a vote of 16 people saying yes in
committee to only 5 saying no, a bipartisan vote--we come to the floor
last night, and a colleague on the other side of the aisle objects to
us proceeding even to the bill.
Colleagues come and talk about concerns about working out details,
which we want to do, we know we have to do, and we will do. But we are
being stopped. In fact, the clock has been ticking since last night and
we are not even able to bring this issue before the Senate. It is
amazing to me that, with the importance of this issue and all the words
that have been spoken on this floor and the House, during Presidential
campaigns and all the campaigns that we have been involved with--we
come to the moment of truth of being able to bring this to the floor
for debate and, instead, we are seeing an attempt to stall. We are
seeing an attempt to hold us up from proceeding. That is of great
concern.
I have great respect for my colleague from New Hampshire, but I
disagree with this approach, and I urge him to reconsider and give us
the opportunity to bring this to the full Senate.
Mr. GREGG. Will the Senator yield?
Ms. STABENOW. I am happy to yield.
Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that we proceed to
the bill; we vitiate the vote on cloture and proceed to the bill.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator cannot make such a request until
he has the floor.
Mr. GREGG. Will the Senator yield for me to make that request? The
Senator suggested I make the request. I am willing to make it.
Ms. STABENOW. I would be happy to yield.
Mr. GREGG. I ask unanimous consent----
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Hampshire is recognized.
Mr. GREGG. I ask unanimous consent we vitiate the cloture vote and
proceed to the bill.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection? The Senator from
Massachusetts.
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, this is an interesting proposal. It is 5
o'clock in the afternoon now on Tuesday. We had the opportunity last
evening to lay down the bill. We could have considered the amendments
during the course of the day and made some real progress on it. But it
was the determination of the other side not to permit us to do that.
Mr. GREGG. Regular order. Regular order, Mr. President.
Mr. KENNEDY. The regular order is----
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator object?
Mr. KENNEDY. I am reserving my right to object.
Mr. GREGG. Regular order. I ask for regular order.
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Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, I understand that under the regular
order, I have a right to object, and I----
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has a right to object. But not
make a speech.
Mr. KENNEDY. Pardon? No?
Mr. GREGG. I ask for regular order. Either objection should be or not
be made.
Mr. KENNEDY. Objection.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard. The Senator from
Massachusetts.
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, we had the opportunity to go to this bill
last evening. We have been waiting here all day long in order to take
action on this legislation. Legislation that can have a direct impact
in terms of the cost of prescription drugs and also on coverage.
Now at 5 o'clock, the Senator comes here without any kind of notice
and makes this request. I think the American people are entitled to
know why, since the Senator from New Hampshire was the one who
originally objected to bringing up the bill. I would be prepared to
vote right now on whether to proceed to the bill if the Senator wants
to call off tomorrow's cloture vote.
But if the Senator is objecting to the bill on substantive grounds
last night, I think the American people are entitled to know where
their Senators stand on considering this legislation. If the Senator
wants to do it tonight, that is fine with me. If he does not care to do
it tonight, we will follow the regular order and tomorrow when the roll
is called--as it will be done here in the Senate--when the roll is
called, we will find out. The American people will find out who
believes we ought to move ahead with this legislation. That is the way
it should be.
There has been objection raised to the majority leader to moving
ahead. Now I think, since this issue has been raised during the course
of the debate, during the course of the day, the American people are
entitled to know who is going to be for this particular legislation.
That is why I have raised that issue.
Mr. SCHUMER. Will the Senator yield for a question?
Mr. KENNEDY. I believe I have the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has the floor.
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, I think it is wise, if we are going to
conduct our activities, that we do it in the light of day rather than
the twilight of the evening. We ought to have the chance to have an
open kind of a process. We have the Senator from Michigan here who has
been waiting to make an excellent presentation. I was engaged in a
conversation with my friend and colleague from Maine about this.
Suddenly, there is a unanimous consent request to just go ahead with
the legislation.
I think we ought to conduct a full debate on this issue, which is of
such importance and consequence to families across the country in terms
of the cost, availability, and accessibility of prescription drugs. And
we ought to do it in the light of day. We ought to have a good debate
on this issue.
But since there has been objection to the majority leader proceeding
to this issue, because evidently the Committee did not conform to the
understandings of certain Senators, and there has been objection raised
from that side of the aisle during the course of discussion and debate,
I am going to insist that the Senate go ahead and have a roll call
vote. We are going to vote on this. And the American people will
understand who is for moving ahead with this legislation and who is
not. Hopefully, we can then make progress on this legislation. We will
consider amendments and begin the substance of this debate rather than
just the general debate.
I would be glad to yield to the Senator from New York. I believe I
have the floor. The Senator from New York has asked for me to yield for
a question.
Mr. SCHUMER. I thank the Senator. I appreciate his yielding. I want
to make an inquiry of him. I am, in fact, in accord with what my friend
from Massachusetts said.
We have now spent all day today. We could have spent it debating
amendments and moving the bill forward. We might have even been able to
go forward on Friday. All of a sudden, after all of this, when we can't
accomplish anything, when we can't accomplish amendments, our good
friend from New Hampshire comes up and says: Never mind.
Well, there is a reason we think we ought to have a vote. We ought to
see where people are. We ought to avoid this from happening another
time. What if it happens again 2 days from now? What if there is an
amendment that gets somebody upset and they decide to filibuster again?
Then we are in the middle of debating access, or in the middle of
debating Canadian reimportation.
Let us see where the cards are. Let us see if there was a real reason
to delay and delay and delay. Let us see where the votes are. Do people
really want a delay? This idea of spending a whole day--I don't mind
it. I like this issue. I have fun talking about it. I think it is good
that the American people hear about it. But I would rather be voting on
amendments. I would rather be crafting legislation. I would rather be
reducing the cost of drugs to my constituents from Buffalo to Montauk
from Plattsburgh down to Brooklyn.
I completely agree with my friend from Massachusetts. If you want to
have a vote now so we can avoid these games in the future, by all
means. But if you don't want to have that vote now, then let us wait
until tomorrow. Let's have a vote on this. God knows we have spent
enough time debating the issue.
I thank him for making that point so well and so forcefully.
Mr. KENNEDY. I see the Senator from Michigan has asked to be
recognized. I yield to her.
Ms. STABENOW. Mr. President, I appreciate very much having the
opportunity as well to raise the issue. I appreciate now our friend
wants to move ahead with this issue. But we certainly want to make sure
we have a vote so that we know that in fact we can proceed.
I ask of our leader, the Senator from Massachusetts: In order for us
to guarantee that we can proceed and that this will not happen again in
the future, is it his assumption that it is best for us then to move
ahead to a vote so we may guarantee in fact, as my friend from New York
said, that we don't have this happening again and not just a series of
filibusters in order to stop us from moving ahead on this important
issue?
Mr. KENNEDY. I thank the Senator. I intend to yield the floor. I will
insist on the regular order so that we have a chance to vote on this
tomorrow.
I see my friend and colleague, our leader from Nevada, wishes to
address the Senate. Obviously, I would follow the leadership in terms
of when that vote would occur. If the request is that we move ahead
with a vote this evening, I will certainly support that proposal.
(Several Senators addressed the Chair).
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Hampshire.
Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, crocodile tears are being shed here, I see.
We agree to vitiate the vote. But we didn't want to vitiate the vote.
We agree to proceed to the bill. We don't want to proceed to the bill.
All day we heard about how outrageous it was that we were having to go
to a vote. Suddenly, crocodile tears appear to be shed early today.
My reason for suggesting that we vitiate the vote was in response to
the specific comments of the Senator from Michigan. The Senator from
Michigan came to the floor and called upon me by name and by State to
proceed with the bill. That is what the Senator from Michigan called
upon me to do.
I ask if it is possible to read back the statement the Senator from
Michigan made just prior to the most recent exchange.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The statement would have to be obtained from
the Official Reporters.
Mr. GREGG. I will represent--and hopefully people will take the
representation as accurate--that the Senator from Michigan was on the
floor asking why I was slowing the bill down and called on me to----
Ms. STABENOW. Will my colleague from New Hampshire yield?
Mr. GREGG. I would be happy to yield for a question.
Ms. STABENOW. I was here at 10 o'clock this morning asking that, and
I
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think it would have been very appropriate if you had been here at 10
o'clock this morning. We would have welcomed that. We have all day been
asking that. Now we are at a point where I think the concerns of my
friend----
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Hampshire yielded for a
question.
Ms. STABENOW. I ask why you were not with us this morning. We have
been asking all day.
Mr. GREGG. I appreciate that question. I wasn't here this morning
when you asked that question. But there is a tempo to this body. And
the tempo involves putting on the Record the reasons this bill was, in
my opinion, being brought forward in a manner which was inconsistent
with the agreements which had been reached, in my opinion, within the
committee.
There are two items that were represented as being fixed before the
bill came to the floor, in my opinion. Neither of those items was
corrected. The bill has had a very short shelf life. It was introduced
last--we saw it for the first time, I believe, last Wednesday morning.
It was passed last Thursday, and it was on the floor without a report
on Monday.
During that period of it being passed in the committee on Thursday,
there was an understanding between Senator Edwards and myself that part
of the bill was incorrect and it would be fixed. Between Senator Frist
and Senator Edwards, there was another part of the bill that was
incorrect which would be fixed.
For me, it seems inappropriate to move to the bill in such rapidity
without having made that point--that point I spent a considerable
amount of time making this morning and this afternoon, and which I am
happy to continue to make.
But as a practical matter, I think the point has been made. I am
willing to proceed to the bill, as the Senator from Michigan said. She
came to the floor while I was here. I wasn't here this morning.
Regrettably, I didn't hear your excellent speech. I am sure it was an
excellent speech. But I was here to hear your last excellent speech. In
response to it, I thought: Gee, let us proceed to the bill rather than
have a vote tomorrow. We can have a vote tomorrow. I would counsel
everyone to vote in favor of it, if they can.
Mr. SCHUMER. Will the Senator yield?
Mr. GREGG. I will yield in a second.
But the question was why I made this statement. It was because the
Senator from Michigan asked me. I was stunned, startled, and surprised
by the Senator from Massachusetts who, upon--and I understand that he
was in a conversation and probably didn't hear the Senator from
Michigan ask me. But had he heard the Senator from Michigan ask me, I
am sure he would have said that is a reasonable response to the Senator
from Michigan, I agree with it, and we should move to a vote.
I am also surprised that someone on the other side of the aisle is
objecting to proceeding to the issue without a vote. If that is the
case, that is the case; so be it; let us have the vote tomorrow. But if
you want to proceed to the issue right now, I am perfectly willing to
do that without a vote.
Mr. SCHUMER. Will the Senator yield for a question, my good friend?
Mr. GREGG. I will yield for a question. I am sure it will be an
excellent question.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Hampshire yields for a
question.
Mr. SCHUMER. I thank the Senator.
He knows from the days we played basketball together in the House gym
that my questioning ability is about equal to my basketball playing
ability--not very good. But I would simply ask him a question.
If he wishes to move to the bill, and understanding that some of us
feel a little grieved that we debated this all day, why would he object
to us having a vote right now and then moving to the bill?
Mr. GREGG. I would answer the question, because my colleague from New
Hampshire is in New Hampshire attending a funeral. I would otherwise be
happy to move to the vote right now.
I renew my request that we proceed to the bill.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, I object.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. There is objection.
Mr. REID addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Hampshire still has the
floor.
Mr. GREGG. I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Nevada is recognized.
Mr. REID. Mr. President, I have the opportunity to spend a lot of
time on the floor and I see what goes on here more than this very
important piece of legislation dealing with prescription drugs. For
months and months, I have seen this. I have watched what has gone on.
And it does not matter whether it is election reform, whether it is the
energy bill, whether it is terrorism insurance, the supplemental
appropriations bill, the Department of Defense authorization bill, or,
as a couple hours ago, trying to move to military construction
appropriations, it does not matter what we do, we cannot do it because
they will not let us.
This is no different. And the answer is, you know, we can talk about:
Sure, let's do it today. We will do it right now--after we have wasted
actually 2 days--not 1 day, 2 days. Today is Tuesday.
This is the same on every piece of legislation with which we deal.
And the reason is they do not want us--``they,'' meaning the Republican
minority, do not want us to deal with this legislation--this
legislation, election reform, energy, terrorism insurance, the
supplemental, DOD authorization.
And the game does not stop with cloture on getting the bills to the
floor with a motion to proceed. It is one thing after another. No, they
don't want a 3-to-2 breakdown on the conference committee. They want 4
to 3. Or it doesn't matter what it is, we can't do it right.
But, Mr. President, we have the ability to persevere. And we have
been able to pass election reform in spite of their not wanting us to
go to it. We have been able to pass an energy bill in spite of their
not wanting us to go to it. We have been able to pass a good terrorism
bill in spite of not being able to get to it for weeks and weeks and
weeks. We have passed a supplemental bill that is a good bill. The
Department of Defense authorization bill is a good bill.
We have the ability to persevere and we are going to do it on
prescription drugs. They can stall us for days. That is what this is
all about, the big stall. That is one thing I have learned. I know what
this is: stall, delay. And, of course, the Senator from Massachusetts
is absolutely right; that is all this is about.
I have the greatest respect for the senior Senator from New
Hampshire. He is good and he knows Senate procedures. He served in the
House and was Governor of New Hampshire. And he is now a Senator,
senior Senator. He knows the rules. He knows they have gotten 2 days on
us on this bill to prevent us from offering amendments. I would like to
spend some time on the Graham-Miller legislation, which the vast
majority of the Senate--Democrats--support. It is good legislation. We
should have been debating that all day today, and started on it
yesterday.
No, we will not be able to do it. And the word has come from the
other side that the minute it comes up--the minute it comes up--they
are going to raise a point of order. And so the longer they stall on
that, the less opportunity it will give us to talk about substantive
issues.
So I am not surprised. This is the way it has been. They are going to
continue to do this because they do not want the Senate Democrats to
have victories. And we are having them in spite of having to fight
every step of the way--every step of the way--to get where we need to
go.
Mr. GREGG. Will the Senator yield for a question?
Mr. REID. I am happy to yield to my friend from New Hampshire for a
question.
Mr. GREGG. I am willing to give you a victory. I am saying: You win.
Proceed to the bill.
Mr. REID. Let me respond to my friend. I also understand this, that
you have stalled for 2 days, at least. I think we can count Friday as
another stall day.
Mr. GREGG. The bill wasn't passed until last Thursday.
Mr. REID. You stalled for 2 days. And here we now have a situation
where,
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after having wasted 2 days, we now are in a situation where you say:
OK, let's just go to it.
It is 5 o'clock tonight. You have told us your friend in New
Hampshire has a funeral. I also spoke to our colleague from New
Hampshire. He said: Do you think there are going to be any votes? I
said: It looks like you're not going to give us any votes. I said: I
would hope we would have a vote on military construction. Right out
here at about 2:30 today he and I visited.
So I say your statement that our colleague from New Hampshire is at a
funeral--I am glad he is attending a funeral. I am glad he was able to
go there. I think it is the right thing to do. But what I say, if going
to a funeral isn't an excuse for missing a vote, there isn't one that
exists in the world. So I think that is a very poor excuse for our not
voting on this tonight.
If, in fact, you want us to go forward, I ask unanimous consent that
we vote on cloture right now. Let's say at 5:45. Give people an
opportunity to get here. We vote. I will spread on the Record that
anyone who questions the junior Senator from New Hampshire not being
here for the vote--I will personally campaign against that person and
say that it is wrong for anyone to raise that as an issue.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
Mr. GREGG. Reserving the right to object, I would actually note I am
actually the junior Senator from New Hampshire. But independent of that
subtlety----
Mr. REID. Let's say, you don't act like the junior Senator.
Mr. KENNEDY. Not all the time.
Mr. GREGG. Let me make the point, we do not need a vote because I am
willing to agree to go to this without a vote. But if we are going to
have a vote, let's have it when it was originally scheduled, which is
tomorrow at 10:30 or 9:30, whatever it was. So I would object.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
Mr. REID. I say to my friend from New Hampshire, we have had people
who have told us they didn't want us to go forward. And I think they
should be called here and cast a vote and see how--I don't like to use
words like this, so I will not use the word ``phony''--let's say
deceptive.
Here they are now. They are saying: We aren't going to let you go to
this, but we don't want to vote on it. I want them to vote on it.
Probably the vote will be 98 to 0. We will show how fallacious and
foolish and wasteful it was not allowing us to go forward on this
anyway.
Mr. GREGG. If the Senator will yield for a further question, I think
the Senator's knowledge of process around here certainly exceeds mine
and, obviously, it borders on genius. And, therefore, I suspect the
Senator knows there are ways in which to get one's point across in this
institution which involve procedural activities.
My purpose in raising this issue was to get my point across, that I
believed the bill was coming to the floor without having been
adequately structured as to how it was going to leave the committee.
Now, I made my point. I am happy to move on without a vote. There will
be a vote tomorrow, if you wish to have it, and it will probably be 98
to 0.
Mr. REID. Does my friend have a question?
Mr. GREGG. My question is, Why do you need a vote?
Mr. REID. For the reasons that have been outlined, in detail, by the
Senator from Massachusetts, and by me.
So I ask unanimous consent that the cloture vote on the motion to
proceed to Calendar No. 491, S. 812, occur at 10:30, Wednesday morning,
July 17, and that the time until the cloture vote be equally divided
and controlled between Senators Kennedy and Gregg or their designees;
and that the mandatory quorum under rule XXII be waived; that
immediately following the vote, if cloture is invoked, the motion to
proceed be agreed to, and the Senate begin consideration of S. 812.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. REID. Mr. President, the majority leader has asked that I
announce there will be no more votes today.
I would say, after having said that, that is really too bad. What a
time to do military construction today. We would take 20 minutes, plus
45 minutes. We would finish that bill and send it to the President.
Now, I would say that my friend from Arizona complained because he
wants firemen. I have checked with Nevada. I will be very brief. I know
people want to talk on prescription drugs, which they should, but in
Nevada--you know, my friend from Arizona is complaining he wants to
make sure there is going to be money to fight these fires--we have the
Mud Springs fire covering 4,000 acres; Eagle fire, 10,000 acres;
Buckeye fire, 850 acres; Ellsworth fire, 1,200 acres. They are burning
right now--the Belmont fire, 650 acres; Cold Springs fire, 1,000 acres;
Adobe fire, over 500 acres; Bridgeport fire, 250 acres; Pony Trail
fire, 100 acres; Lost Cabin fire, 1,500 acres.
I am willing to do what we always have done: Wait until the money
comes forward in the Interior appropriations bill. We have already
established that the President should push this in the supplemental. He
has not done that. Maybe he will do that. That is no excuse, no reason
for not going forward with this bill.
As I outlined following Senator Kennedy's statement, it is a sham.
Everything we do here is an ordeal. It is an ordeal to get money to
take care of construction needs for our military around the world. I
repeat, election reform, energy, terrorism, supplemental
appropriations, DOD, the corporate security bill, whatever it is, the
big stall takes place. And we are able, in spite of that, to work our
way through the system and declare some victories for the American
people. We are going to continue to do that.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Massachusetts.
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, I will just take a minute or two, and
hopefully the Senator from Michigan will be able to complete her
statement. She has been here all day long. She has yielded to all of
the interventions. She has a determination that cannot be matched, but
she also has patience and grace that can't be matched either. I will
just take a moment, and hopefully she will be recognized.
Just as a general matter, this legislation is enormously important.
We have all said that during the course of the day. I hope at the start
of the substantive debate we can have a sense of civility about how we
are going to proceed. If there are legitimate kinds of concerns, as
expressed by the Senator from New Hampshire about being unwilling to
permit the Senate to move forward, I will take those. I don't agree
with them, and I think they are misplaced for reasons I have outlined,
but I can understand those. Then we are going to play by the rules.
But I would hope, as we begin this extraordinarily important debate
and discussion, that we will free ourselves from gamesmanship and
surprises. Let's try and deal with this important issue. Let's share
our amendments if we are going to call them up. Let's get back to a
sense of civility. People have strong views. This is enormously
important. The underlying legislation and these amendments are
incredibly important.
People are entitled to have the full attention and consideration of
the Members of this body and to be free of the gamesmanship that too
often takes place. I hope at the start of this, we will have that as a
basis on the way to proceed. I think the American people expect no
less. There has been objection, as has been pointed out, to our
considering this. This is too important. The American people will see
with tomorrow's vote on the will of the Senate, whether this
legislation is flawed in some way or whether we ought to proceed to it.
As the Senator from Nevada has pointed out, we are prepared to have
that vote this evening as a roll call vote, so that the American people
can see, after listening to this debate all day long and after the
allegations and charges that were made about the incompleteness of the
legislation, whether there are substantial Members of this body who
don't feel we ought to go ahead, or whether the majority believe we
should go ahead.
At the beginning of this debate, which will take some time and is
very important, let's hope we can proceed in a way that is worthy of
this institution.
I thank the Senate.
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The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Pennsylvania.
Mr. SANTORUM. Mr. President, I want to comment on some of the remarks
of the majority whip and some of the comments of the chairman of the
committee with respect to this legislation.
No. 1, the junior Senator from New Hampshire has every right, as
ranking member of the committee, to be outraged at the way this bill
was brought to the floor. It is my understanding, listening to him
today and from the discussion in committee, that there were certain
commitments made with respect to bringing this bill to the floor. The
fact is, the reason we have seen delays on the floor on the energy
bill, the terrorism insurance bill, election reform, a variety of other
bills, was because those bills had bypassed committees. They had been
brought straight to the floor.
Now we are talking about another bill, the Medicare drug bill, which
will be amended, attempted to be amended, to this underlying bill that
will be bypassing the committee and brought straight to the floor. What
is the underlying bill? A bill that was introduced on Thursday and now
is on the floor. No one had seen it. I am still trying to understand
this legislation. It is very technical, very complex. It is very
important to my State, in which there is a lot of drug manufacturing. I
am still trying to understand the complexity of what this bill actually
does. It is here on the floor, and we are asked to just move ahead.
The Senator from New Hampshire had some understanding of what was
going to be changed. As you know, when you are marking up a bill in
committee, markups are not about legislative language. There are
concept documents that are then put into legislative language and
brought to the floor. The Senator from New Hampshire had understandings
and those understandings were not incorporated into this legislation.
The Senator from New Hampshire had a right to come to the floor and
explain his dissatisfaction with this procedure. We have two procedures
set up: No. 1, you completely bypass the committee; No. 2, you go
through committee, and then you don't bring the bill out that you say
you are going to from committee.
The Senator from New Hampshire simply wanted to make that point. As
you know, in the Senate we have the opportunity to put a halt on things
temporarily so you can make a point. The point is, procedurally this
Senate is being run amok, whether it is the work now coming out of
committee or, more often than not, it is the work that is not even done
in committee.
I don't know why we have a Finance Committee, much less a chairman of
the committee, because every important issue the Finance Committee has
had to deal with this session has been bypassed. The committee has been
bypassed.
Whether it is taxes or Medicare prescription drugs, I cannot think of
any two issues more important--I also include trade--the three most
important issues Finance deals with: trade, taxes, and health care--of
the three major issues of this session of Congress, the Finance
Committee and the chairman were simply bypassed. Partisan bills were
brought straight to the floor.
Why are we discussing this underlying bill? They brought this bill up
because this is the vehicle by which to talk about health care because
they couldn't get their prescription drug bill through the committee.
They couldn't get the Democrat prescription drug bill through committee
because it is a partisan approach. It will get no bipartisan support.
It has no scoring. It has not even been written yet. It is still being
worked on.
The bottom line is, they couldn't get that through committee.
Actually, the bill that would have come out of committee--I am fairly
confident--the bill that would have come out of committee would have
been a bipartisan bill. But it wouldn't have been a bill that the
majority leader wanted. So he takes the gavel out of the hand of the
chairman and runs the bill straight to the floor; that is, his bill.
That is a partisan bill.
Why does he do that? We are still operating on last year's budget
agreement. Last year's budget agreement requires two things of a
Medicare prescription drug bill: No. 1, that it be within the budget
amount, which I believe is $300, $350 billion in number--it has to be
that number or under--No. 2, it has to be reported from the Finance
Committee.
So here is the state of play now because we are playing politics with
prescription drugs instead of trying to do prescription drugs. We are
playing politics. Why? Because any bill that is offered in the Senate
that provides a prescription drug benefit for seniors will be subject
to a point of order which is 60 votes. Why? Because it was never
reported through the Finance Committee. Why? Because the majority
leader refused to let the Finance Committee mark up a bill.
So what has he done? He has set up a game where he has placed the bar
so high that no benefit will pass the Senate. Why? Morton Kondracke
answered that in Roll Call when he said it is obvious the Senate
Democrats wanted the issue more than the prescription drug coverage for
seniors. They would rather have the issue this fall than the drug
coverage for seniors as soon as possible.
I have not been around that long. I have been around since 1991. But
since I have been here in the House and in the Senate, I have noticed
one thing: When it comes to dealing with the big issues of the day,
particularly health care, taxes, Social Security, et cetera, by and
large--particularly with Social Security and Medicare entitlements--you
cannot pass one of these pieces of legislation without a bipartisan
consensus. You cannot do it, and I argue that you should not do it. You
should try to work together to get a consensus. If you are serious
about getting a bill through the Senate on prescription drugs, you
cannot bypass the committee, bypass bipartisan agreements, bring a
partisan bill to the floor, play games of 60-vote points of order, and
claim you tried and the other side blocked you from succeeding, which
is exactly the way this is going to play out.
Let's have no illusions as to how this will end. This is not a
serious discussion, folks, of getting prescription drugs for seniors.
This is a serious campaign rhetoric debate about who is for seniors
more, knowing full well, the way the game was set up, seniors will
lose, no matter what happens.
If you were serious about getting a prescription drug benefit for
seniors, you would take it through the Senate Finance Committee and
they would do the work that should not be done on the floor of the
Senate. You have folks on the Finance Committee who have waited years
and years to get on that committee and have studied these issues very
hard, such as the Senator from Massachusetts, who is an expert in the
areas under the Labor Committee's jurisdiction. He is an expert. He has
been working on these issues. This is his area of expertise in
legislating. When the Finance Committee deals with welfare, taxes,
trade, Medicare, and health care, this is their area of expertise. They
work together. This is a dynamic. That is how committees work. They
work together and find compromise. They understand the real intricacies
of the issues, and they work together to knead together legislation
that will work and come to the floor without all of the different
problems that confront a virgin piece of legislation that is dreamed up
in some back room somewhere.
That is how the process works to help the Senate do its work. You
build consensus in committee. You get Democrats and Republicans working
together to form agreements and coalitions, to bring a bill to the
floor so you can continue that. That has all been thrown out the
window. Why? This bill is about partisan politics. This bill is about
the November election. This is not about providing prescription drugs
for seniors.
This is really tragic. It is amazing to me that the Senator from
Nevada would complain about losing 2 days. We are going to lose 2 weeks
in the Senate. We are going to spend 2 weeks debating health care
issues that, because of the procedure that has been set up, will never
pass the Senate, because we have set up a procedure that is doomed to
fail, we have set up a procedure that does not allow bipartisan
cooperation.
We have a bill introduced by members of the Senate Finance
Committee--a tripartisan bill--that would have passed the committee,
that could
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have come to the floor. A lot of the problems already could have been
worked out. We could have spent less time, not more time, here in the
Senate. If we really wanted to do a prescription drug bill, we could
have let the Finance Committee do its work and we would have had the
issues narrowed as a result of that. We could have come to the Senate
floor and worked together and tried to get a bipartisan bill that could
be conferenced with the House, so we could get a Medicare prescription
drug bill. But a prescription drug bill is a partisan issue now. That
is the result of this procedure we have going right now.
I don't understand why we say we have lost 2 days. We just voted on
the corporate accountability and accounting bill at 7 o'clock last
night. We had amendments and debate going on up until then--which would
be allowed. There were amendments that were not allowed to be offered.
We had debate going on and we had 4 or 5 votes last night. So I don't
know how we have lost 2 days. The Senator from New Hampshire, about an
hour ago, said he would be willing to vitiate the vote. There has been
plenty of time for Members to lay down amendments. I think I can
stipulate for the record, if anybody on the other side would care to
have the stipulation as a satisfactory admission on our part, the vote
tomorrow will be unanimous to move to proceed to the bill.
I don't think there is any question that every Member on this side
wants to proceed to the bill. We want to talk about prescription drugs.
We want to have our ideas. We have three different plans on this side
of the aisle that are supported by various Members. Senator Smith from
New Hampshire and Senator Allard have a plan, Senators Ensign and Gramm
have a plan, and the tripartisan plan that is supported by many
Republicans, all of which I think bring a tremendous contribution to
the debate. We will have good discussions about it.
I know the Senator from Nevada said he wishes we had the Democratic
prescription drug bill up. I hope the Senator from Nevada offers that
bill right out of the shoot. I hope we do have a vote on that tomorrow,
or lay down that bill and have a discussion about it. I think it would
be great.
Mr. REID. Will the Senator yield for a question?
Mr. SANTORUM. Yes.
Mr. REID. Would the Senator from Pennsylvania support, then, an up-
or-down vote on the Graham-Miller bill that you just talked about? Do
you want to debate that, and would you be willing to have an up-or-down
vote?
Mr. SANTORUM. I think we should have up-or-down votes on every plan I
just listed. If the Senator would agree to up-or-down votes on the
tripartisan plan and the other two plans I just listed, which are
serious legislative proposals, I think there would be no question you
would easily get an agreement to have an up-or-down vote on the point
of order on all of those.
Mr. REID. I am not talking about a point of order. I asked the
Senator from Pennsylvania if he would give us an up-or-down vote on the
Graham-Miller prescription drug benefit plan.
Mr. SANTORUM. Obviously, the procedure by which this bill has been
brought to the floor has tainted this entire process. I believe,
actually, the best chance we have to get the high-water mark--in other
words, the most votes on any bill--will be the tripartisan bill because
it has tripartisan support.
Mr. REID. So the answer to my question is no?
Mr. SANTORUM. Again, I suggest that you have created the atmosphere
by which the point of order is available to some Members, and whether I
agree or not doesn't matter. I think there will be Members on both
sides of the aisle who will raise a point of order. Why? Because it is
available. The Senator from Nevada knows full well if points of order
are available, someone on this side--or the other side of the aisle, I
might add--will raise a point of order. You have brought this bill to
the floor by bypassing the Finance Committee. You have brought it with
an instant point of order. That is the remarkable thing. You could have
a prescription drug benefit bill that would cost $10, and if you
brought that to the floor, it would have a budget point of order. Why?
Because the budget says the bill had to come through the Finance
Committee. So what we have done is set the bar where you now have to
have every single Member of the Senate agree that this bill comes to
the floor without objecting to it on a point of order.
As the Senator from Nevada knows, you hardly get anybody to agree to
anything around here, much less a multibillion-dollar expansion of
health care benefits, without having someone opposed to the legislation
and then raising a point of order. So what we have done, as I said
before, is set the bar so high that you have ensured that nothing will
happen.
I will yield for a question.
Mr. REID. I would say that the bill we are working on here was
reported out of the HELP Committee by a 16-to-5 vote; 5 Republicans
voted to bring it to the floor. That is why we were so stunned when we
weren't able to go to the bill. I also say that it appears to me that
this bill didn't need to go to the Finance Committee; it was under the
jurisdiction of the HELP Committee. But even if a bill went through the
Finance Committee, it would still need 60 votes and we could raise a
point of order on it.
Mr. SANTORUM. Mr. President, taking back my time I say not
necessarily. It depends. If it were in the budget constraint and were
not marked up in the committee, would it not be subject to a point of
order?
Mr. REID. Being marked up in committee makes no difference
whatsoever.
Mr. SANTORUM. That is not what last year's budget agreement says.
I also make the other point that, with respect to this bill--and you
said you were shocked at the objection. I hope you listened to the
Senator from New Hampshire in laying out what were legitimate
complaints about the way this bill was brought to the floor, when
certain assurances were given. As you know--and the Senator is a
committee chairman and knows how markups work--certain assurances were
made about issues being brought up in committee, and technical
corrections or other corrections were ``agreed upon.'' And then when
the bill came to the floor, those changes were not made.
Mr. LOTT. Will the Senator yield?
Mr. REID. Mr. Leader, he asked me a question. May I respond?
Mr. LOTT. I will be happy to let the Senator respond, and then I want
to ask a question.
Mr. REID. I will be very quick in responding to the question. I say
to my friend, in response to the question--even though you had the
floor and you asked me a question--this, as far as I am concerned, is
one of those excuses I have talked about. The bill was reported in a
bipartisan fashion out of committee.
My friend from New Hampshire, the junior Senator, said: You told me
certain things. That is what the amendment process is all about. He
said: It is technical in nature. This is just an excuse not to go to
the bill. This is just an excuse not to go to the bill. We are wasting
time that should be used on prescription drugs. That is what we have
tried to establish today. We are wasting time when we should be dealing
with the bill itself, not talking about technical amendments that
should not be here. It is here, it is here on a bipartisan basis.
Mr. SANTORUM. Reclaiming my time, the Senator knows fixing
legislation on the floor is a lot harder than having something in the
base bill. The fact is, the Senator believed certain assurances were
made and those assurances were violated. He wanted an opportunity to
pause to make that case. Subsequent to him making that case, he agreed
to vitiate the vote. In fact, he agreed to proceed to the bill over an
hour ago, and he agreed to vitiate the vote a couple hours ago.
All I suggest is, if we were serious about moving to this
legislation, having a discussion about prescription drugs, we could be
doing that right now. We are in some degree doing that right now. We
could be on an amendment. I hope the Senator from Nevada or somebody on
his side puts down the Democratic proposal that we can have this
debate, begin in earnest and have votes. I will be happy to yield to
the leader.
Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, if the Senator from Pennsylvania will yield,
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me clarify. There are several issues in play. First of all, there was
the point the Senator from Pennsylvania was just making that there was
some understanding that Members thought they had some modification of
the bill that was going to be made that did not happen. Maybe that was
just a misunderstanding, but that contributed to this problem.
The second issue, this is not just about this drug pricing bill.
Everybody knows this is going to wind up being the vehicle for debate
on prescription drugs. There is concern about going forward in this
way; that this is going to be a process to which I have referred as
mutually assured destruction because whatever is offered is going to
have to get 60 votes because it did not come from the Finance Committee
and/or because it exceeds what the budget allows. And that is the point
I wish to clarify.
If I am misinformed, I would like to know that at this point. But my
understanding clearly is that because we do not have a budget
resolution passed by the Senate, we do not have any budget numbers,
that the number we are operating on that is allowed for prescription
drugs is $300 billion. That is what was identified last year, and that
still is what applies.
If you exceed that amount, you have to have 60 votes to overcome a
point of order. Secondly, if it does not come from the Finance
Committee, that in itself would require 60 votes to overcome a point of
order.
There are two reasons we will have to have 60 votes to pass any of
the bills that may be offered in the prescription drug area.
If that is not correct, then I stand corrected. If we could get a
bill out of the committee that was under that amount, then there would
not be a problem. At least one of the approaches, or maybe a couple
approaches, that will be offered--the one by Senators Hagel, Ensign,
and Gramm that would cost, I understand, somewhere between $150 billion
to $170 billion--would not require the votes to overcome the point of
order, but it would because it did not come through the
Finance Committee.
There is a simple solution to this: The Finance Committee should meet
and vote. We have met for hours trying to figure out the right way to
do this. It is difficult, it is complicated, and it is important. We
met 4 hours, and I was there a couple hours last week. Yet we have not
had a markup. Let's go to a markup, have debate, amendments, and see if
the Finance Committee can report a bill. That is what I urge we do.
Then we can have a bill that came out of the committee, that could have
tripartisan support, and it would not be subject to a 60-vote point of
order. We could pass it with 51 votes and get real help to people who
need it--the elderly, sick, poor people--and we can do it this week.
Mr. SANTORUM. Was there not a markup scheduled for the Finance
Committee this week?
Mr. LOTT. There was a markup. We marked up two minor bills last week,
and there was a markup scheduled at 10 o'clock this morning. It was
delayed to 2 o'clock and then cancelled. Why? Because Senators Snowe,
Grassley, and others in the tripartisan effort served notice that they
were going to offer a prescription drug package to a so-called minor
bill. As a result of that, that markup was canceled.
It really bothers me. It looks to me that we are headed for a
situation where, when the smoke clears next week, no package will be
left standing, and we will not have passed a bill with 60 votes and the
people once again will not get the help they need. We seem to be
striving to find a way not to do this. I do not understand it.
I do not question the merits of the different bills. We can argue
about them and we can debate them, but if the end result is nothing, is
that good? As far as the underlying bill, if we knew debate was going
to be on the drug-pricing issue, we could have started earlier, and we
could probably have finished it this week. But there are two distinct
issues that are riding on each other. It is a real problem.
Once the prescription drug bills perhaps fail, I guess we will come
back to the base bill, and it will probably pass and I assume it will
be a bipartisan vote: Some for it; some against it. I want to clarify,
it is my understanding that clearly it takes 60 votes because of the
amount involved and because the Finance Committee will not have acted.
Mr. SANTORUM. The Republican leader is correct. As I said earlier, if
a drug benefit bill were brought forward that cost $10, it would be
subject to a budget point of order because of this procedure.
People are asking: Why is the 60-vote procedure such a problem? The
Senator from Nevada asked would I object to an up-or-down vote on one
of them? I can certainly agree to that. The problem is the 99 other
Senators; only one of them needs to object to an up-or-down vote and
make a point of order against the underlying bill because it is not
reported out of the Finance Committee, and we have a problem. We have
to get 60 votes.
The interesting question is why are we in this situation? Obviously,
because the majority leader has decided to bring a bill straight to the
floor and not through committee. Why are we in this situation even
stepping back from what happened yesterday? Because we do not have a
budget. We have no budget. For the first time since 1974, we have no
budget in the Senate. Now we are starting to see the consequences of
not having a budget.
The other point is we do not have any appropriations bills passed. I
am not the one objecting to the MILCON appropriations bill, and I hope
we can work that out and I would be very supportive of passing it on a
very short timeframe. The fact is, we are way behind on appropriations,
and if I look at the schedule, we are talking about health care this
week, next week, and talking about homeland security the week we leave.
I do not see any time in here to do 13 appropriations bills that are
necessary to run the Government of the United States.
We have no budget, we have no appropriations bills, and as a result
of having no budget, we have a, to be very candid, screwed-up system by
which we are dealing with a Medicare prescription drug bill, which to
my constituents--and I represent per capita the second oldest
population in the country--is perhaps one of the most important bills,
maybe the most important bill, we are going to deal with in Washington,
DC, for the people of Pennsylvania.
I always say we are second to Florida per capita in the number of
seniors, but my comment is, my seniors care more about Medicare and
prescription drugs than the ones in Florida because all my rich seniors
move to Florida, and what is left in Pennsylvania are the folks who
really need the coverage and cannot afford it. So this is a very
important bill for the folks in Pennsylvania.
This is something we want to accomplish. This is not something I want
to be held up by some procedural trick.
I will say without reservation that if we had a clean process and we
had a bill that came out of the Finance Committee that was not subject
to a point of order, we could begin the amending process and have the
Senate work its will. Would I be happy with the product? I would
probably not be overjoyed with it. I do not even know if I would vote
for it. But we would move the process forward where we get a bill to
conference that is conferenceable with the House, and we have the
potential of getting a prescription drug benefit for millions and
millions of seniors across America who are relying on us to do it. But
instead of going through the process which assures us of getting a
bill, we have developed a process which assures us of getting no bill.
So don't anybody next Friday say, oh, golly, we did not make it; oh,
golly, we did not pass a bill and think, gee, we really gave it a good
chance.
This process was scripted for failure. This process was created for a
partisan issue in November and nothing more. This is not a serious
debate about Medicare prescription drugs. When we are serious about
doing Medicare prescription drugs, we will do it the way it was
intended to be done and contemplated by the budget of last year, which
is what is done with every other major entitlement bill we have ever
dealt with in the Senate. What is that? Go through the committee of
jurisdiction. The committee works its will. A bill is brought that has
had a lot of the kinks worked out, has had bipartisan compromise by
experts who study and
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work on that kind of legislation--that is why they are on the
committee--and the bill is brought to the floor to work out the final,
in many cases major, issues. Then you get the bill done, you go to
conference, and you move on.
That is not what is happening. Why? That is a good question. Why? Do
we not trust the chairman of the Finance Committee to mark up a bill?
Do we not trust the committee of jurisdiction to take up this
legislation on which there is intense interest in the committee? There
are several bills germinating out of members of that committee on both
sides of the aisle. Why do we not trust this committee to do its work
on the most important issue that that committee will deal with this
year? Why have we said we do not trust the Finance Committee, we do not
trust the chairman, we are going to go over their head, we are going to
bring a partisan bill, which to my knowledge no one on this side of the
aisle has seen? And I suspect there are a lot of folks on that side of
the aisle who have not seen it.
The bill has not been scored. We have no idea how much it costs. The
Senator from Nevada said he hoped to be debating this bill tomorrow. I
hope to be debating the bill tomorrow, too, because I would like to see
it.
Think about this: The largest expansion of entitlement programs in
the history of the country, and we are going to bring the bill to the
floor, having not gone through committee, having not seen it, and ask
for a vote on it.
The rumor mill among the press is this bill costs $800 billion. Now,
that may be high. I do not know. That is the number I heard outside.
That is $800 billion, not over 10 years, because the bill sunsets, but
only 6 years. So it is a trillion-dollar expansion of government. That
is even a big number for Washington, a trillion-dollar expansion of
government, and no one has seen the bill. It has not gone through
committee. There has not even been a hearing on the bill. A trillion-
dollar expansion of government, and there has not been a hearing on the
bill, much less a markup.
Now what they are telling the American public is: We are really
serious, aren't we? We are serious about passing a drug bill, aren't
we? We have not had a hearing on it, we do not know how much it costs,
we haven't gone through committee, haven't marked it up, we have not
brought it to the floor, but trust me, we are serious about passing a
bill. This is real, this is legit, we really want to do this, we really
want to make this happen.
Remember, we have not drafted the bill, do not know how much it
costs, have not had a hearing, have not had a markup, have not even
brought the bill up to the floor, but we are serious, and it is, by the
way, a trillion dollars. We really want to make this happen, and we are
going to get it done in a couple of days, trust us, and we will work it
out. That is the procedure.
Then we have people saying: How dare you raise a point of order
against this bill that has not been finished, that costs a trillion
dollars, has not had a hearing, has not been marked up, has not come to
the floor. How dare you raise a point of order against this trillion-
dollar expansion of government. How can you do that? You must not care
about seniors. That is going to be the issue in November: You do not
care about seniors because you did not allow us to pass a bill that no
one had seen, costing potentially a trillion dollars, that no hearing
had been held on, that no markup had been done on, and that we had not
had the opportunity to even see and debate on the floor, with people
wondering why we raised a point of order.
Mr. REID. Will the Senator yield for a question?
Mr. SANTORUM. I would be happy to yield for a question.
Mr. REID. Is the Senator aware that this legislation about which the
Senator from Pennsylvania speaks has been written and authored by these
two radical Democrats by the name of Bob Graham from Florida and Zell
Miller of Georgia, who both have credentials, I would suspect, that are
as moderate as any in the Senate? Is the Senator aware of these two men
who have sponsored this legislation, who have written it?
Mr. SANTORUM. I understand they have been involved in the writing of
the legislation.
Mr. REID. Is the Senator also aware that this legislation about which
the Senator speaks has been endorsed by many organizations and groups
in America, including the AARP?
Mr. SANTORUM. Which I find remarkable to believe, and the answer is,
I do know that some organizations support it, but I find it remarkable
to believe that any legitimate organization would endorse a bill they
have not seen and have no idea how much it costs. The answer to your
question is, yes, I am aware that certain organizations have endorsed
it. I question the responsible nature of those organizations that would
endorse a bill they have not seen, have no idea what the impact is on
their members, and have no idea what the impact is as far as the cost
to their members and the cost to the taxpayers, because we do not know
that yet.
Mr. REID. I have two very brief questions I would ask the Senator to
answer.
Mr. SANTORUM. Sure.
Mr. REID. The Senator is not suggesting in any way that AARP is not a
legitimate organization, is he?
Mr. SANTORUM. I did not say legitimate. I said responsible. There is
a difference. They are certainly legitimate. I question how responsible
they are.
Mr. REID. In the Senator's first statement, he did say legitimate.
Mr. SANTORUM. If I did, let me correct that. AARP is certainly a
legitimate organization. I would question how responsibly they are
acting if they are endorsing legislation they have not seen and do not
know how much it costs.
Mr. REID. The Senator has indicated we should be working on
appropriations bills, and I agree with the Senator. But is the Senator
aware that for--I have lost track of the days, but for several days I
have offered at least four, maybe more, unanimous consent requests that
we move to military construction with a time of 65 minutes and I have
received an objection on that side of the aisle?
Mr. SANTORUM. I would say to the Senator from Nevada, he did not
receive an objection from me. All I can say is we have a Member or two
on this side of the aisle who are concerned about the ability to pay
for fires in their States, and I think the Senator knows that. We all
have concerns about appropriations and disasters in our State. I
certainly respect the Senators objecting to that. I hope we can work
that out because I agree with the Senator from Nevada that we should be
dealing with appropriations bills.
MILCON is one that is usually not very controversial, there usually
are not a lot of amendments to it, and we should be able to pass it in
a very short period of time. We are certainly working on this side of
the aisle very diligently to try to take care of the objections so we
can get to that issue.
I appreciate the Senator moving forward on that, and I hope the
Senator from Nevada will then, after we get MILCON done, move to the
Defense appropriations bill because I think it is vitally important, as
we are fighting this war and we are trying to protect the homeland and
we are doing things that are on the cutting edge of transforming our
military, that we get that legislation passed in the Senate. When we
get MILCON and DOD passed, the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines
will know the money is there and the program dollars can be spent in a
much more efficient way.
I am a member the Armed Services Committee, and that is always a
concern, that there will be a delay in the release of money in the
appropriations process. I think that would be a very important thing we
could do between now and the August recess, if possible. I will
certainly work with my colleagues on this side of the aisle to get them
to have a very short list of amendments and see if we can get a DOD
bill passed in short order.
Mr. REID. If I could respond to my friend without his losing the
floor, as a member of the Appropriations Committee, we reported out
this morning, or this afternoon--around noontime--the largest
appropriations bill in the history of the country. That is why--and the
Senator has taken my script--I have said basically the same thing on
military construction. We have to move forward on that because we have
construction projects for our men and women in the military all over
the
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world. Most of them, of course, are in America, but we have military
construction projects around the world that are waiting, and we need to
get to that.
I appreciate the Senator saying he would join with us, but the
problem is we have had trouble moving all legislation, not the least of
which is the military construction appropriations bill.
I appreciate the courtesy of the Senator allowing me to ask
questions.
Mr. SANTORUM. The Senator from Nevada is always courteous to Members
on our side when we come to the floor and we appreciate that gentility
in the way he deals with questions and answers and appreciate his
questions. I know we can work together in a bipartisan way to
manufacture as many appropriations bills as possible between now and
the August break. I know the Appropriations Committee has begun to
churn out these bills in marathon sessions. That is welcome news.
Hopefully, we can get to what I believe is the most important. It is
a big bill and it is complex. It is several hundred billion dollars. It
is still smaller than this bill and a heck of a lot less complex, a
bill that potentially could be presented here by the majority to expand
prescription drugs.
Again, even though I object to the way this procedure is being done,
I am very much for having this debate on the Senate floor and trying to
get a prescription drug bill done that meets the needs of our seniors
all across the country. I don't like the way it is structured. I don't
believe it has been structured in a way that will lead us to a result
that can be satisfactory to any senior. It is certainly a debate we
should have. I just wish we had it under circumstances with a
possibility of success. I don't think we are heading in that direction
at this time.
A final point is on the underlying legislation. As I said before, I
have only had a chance to look at it over the last 24 hours since I
have been back in town. I have some concerns about this underlying
legislation. This is more of a vehicle than a substantive issue. We
have to understand, when it comes to the pharmaceutical companies, they
are the great whipping boy in the Senate and certainly in the House and
many places across the country. The fact is, about 50 percent of the
new drugs that come on the market come from innovations in the United
States of America. People are alive today who are listening to my voice
because of pharmaceutical companies making billions of dollars in
investments each year to create new drugs, to move the envelope
forward, to improve the quality of and to lengthen people's lives.
I understand they get beat up on because they try to use their
patents and they charge more money here than in other countries and all
the other things said about them, but the fact is, if bills such as
this pass--and I am concerned about this particularly, some of the
litigation provisions--we are going to erode the incentives for
pharmaceutical companies to invest in cures.
It is popular, very popular, to go around and promise seniors you are
going to get them cheap drugs; that these generics are the answer.
These filthy horrible drug companies, the pharmaceutical companies, the
name brand pharmaceutical companies are horrible people who are raping
and pillaging you, and if we just give all their patents to the generic
folks as quickly as possible and give the generics an opportunity to
get in there quicker, your drug prices will be lower. That is an
argument that appeals very much to this generation of seniors and this
generation of pharmaceutical users at the expense of future cures for
them and others.
Some may say that is a good tradeoff. The politics is smart, I guess,
because people would rather have the money in their pocket than the
perspective of maybe something happening that may or may not affect
them in the future. I understand the game. I understand the politics.
The politics are great in being able to promise somebody a 50-percent
reduction in their drugs, or a 30-percent reduction in their drugs.
That is great. People see it, feel it, and hear it. But people also
need to realize that when you do that, you limit the innovation that
occurs; you limit those lifesavings drugs, the enhancing of the
quality-of-life drugs that come out of this Nation's terrific
pharmaceutical industry.
Sure, I will join others on this side with some amendments. I know
Senator Hatch and Senator Gregg have concerns about this underlying
legislation, have concerns about some of the issues, such as the
reimportation of drugs.
I have very serious concerns about the safety of the reimportation of
drugs. In Canada, they are cheap and they can send them back here and
they are cheap. They sell them in Canada because they say this is how
much you are going to charge; if you don't want this price, you cannot
sell your drug in Canada. By the way, if you really want the drug, we
will make it and sell it here ourselves. So you have no market and we
will sell your drug anywhere.
You say: I cannot believe that happens. That happens.
Here is a pharmaceutical company that says: I charge $2 for the drugs
in America; it costs me a quarter to make them. I charge $2 for the
drug in America. It costs me a quarter to make it--that is, the process
to make it. But the rest is to make up for the many cases, hundreds of
millions, invested to get this formula to where it is. I have to make
it up somehow so I have to charge more.
Canada says: I will only pay you a dollar; I will not pay you $2. I
will only pay you $1 or 50 cents. The drug company has to make a
decision: Do I sell it for less there and get the wrath of the American
politicians who say, look how cheap this drug is, or do I sell it for
less there, still cover my costs, and make a small profit--not as much,
but I make a small profit--or do I not sell my drug there, have a
Canadian steal my patent, make the drug and sell it there anyway?
If you are a pharmaceutical company, that is a decision you have to
make. Some say: No, I don't want to sell the drug. I will not do it.
Others say a little profit is better than none. And some suggest this
is perhaps a unique drug, they feel a social obligation to make it
available in countries because this is a drug that maybe doesn't have
anything similar to it. So they sell the drug even at a very small
profit because they feel a social responsibility to do so because it
will save lives.
For this, they have Senators of the Senate holding up drugs and
saying: Look at these rotten drug companies. Look at these rotten drug
companies. Look what they are doing.
Understand the story because you are not being told the full story.
You are not being told what really happens. Yes, they are cheaper, but
now you understand why they are cheaper. They can say no. Fine. In some
cases, saying no means people will die. Most pharmaceutical companies,
contrary to what you hear, are not in the business of wanting people to
die so they sell their drugs. I suggest we understand the whole story
before we get into how bad these guys are for selling drugs cheaper in
other places.
The bottom line is the American public, as a result of the way
foreign governments operate, subsidize research in the world. Is it the
right thing to do? We should have a good policy discussion on that.
There might be legitimate competing arguments whether we should
subsidize the research by paying more for research. However, if we do
not, the research will not get done and people will die because that
new drug that could have been invented had the investment been made
will not be developed or it will be much later.
Those are the chances. I know that is taking the dollar you could get
now for cheaper drugs for the promise of something better later. One
thing drug manufacturers can point to is the promises have been made
good, if you look at the quality of the pharmaceuticals that we have on
the market today and for people whose lives are being saved and the
quality of life that is being improved.
Understand what we are doing. This is not as simple as some would let
you believe. Understand what we are doing. We are going after the big
bad pharmaceutical companies that are responsible for many people being
alive today.
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