[Congressional Record Volume 148, Number 68 (Thursday, May 23, 2002)]
[House]
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House of Representatives
2002 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS ACT FOR FURTHER RECOVERY FROM AND
RESPONSE TO TERRORIST ATTACKS ON THE UNITED STATES
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Mr. DeLAY. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, before we broke for the last vote, the gentleman from
Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) in his wonderful humor put up a chart claiming
that the amendment that I have put into the bill to protect men and
women in uniform allows us to invade the Netherlands. The gentleman
from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) has a wonderful sense of humor and I greatly
appreciate that. But this is pretty serious business because an
International Criminal Court has been created, a court that the United
States has chosen not to participate in. We felt it very necessary to
pass a bill that is included in this bill, to make sure that not just
our men and women in uniform can be arrested anywhere before the world
and brought before this court. But there are certain assurances that
will happen or authorities that we give the President.
The thing missing from the gentleman's chart is the picture in the
middle of the chart of a soldier or a sailor behind bars, being
arrested by a court that is totally unaccountable for. This provision
that is the core of the bill, by the way, simply gives the President
the authority to do whatever is necessary to free our people who get
snatched by this rogue court, arrested anywhere in the world, can be
tried anywhere in the world, but could be taken to the Hague to appear
before the International Criminal Court. That authority could even
include an array of options including providing legal assistance.
Now, at the same time it could make clear that should a country
arrest and detain an American, we all should expect that the President
would absolutely use the powers at his disposal to free those
Americans. Now, if the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) is
suggesting that the Netherlands, which is our ally, would actually
arrest and detain an American, because we continually hear from the ICC
supporters that this bill is unnecessary, because there are plenty of
protections to ensure Americans will not be held, we would certainly
hope that our allies do not intend to arrest our military personnel and
try them before the International Criminal Court.
The fact that the ICC is centered at the Hague is irrelevant. Trials
could take place in any country that is party to the treaty. But more
importantly, this is aimed at countries arresting and transporting
Americans. Let us just say, for instance, that Iran, who is a party to
the court, or even the al Qaeda, could capture an American soldier and
could hold them insisting that they were going to turn them over to the
ICC. Now, our language says very clearly and I quote, ``bring about the
release of any person being detained, imprisoned by or on behalf of or
at the request of the ICC.''
Is there anyone here who would honestly say we should not do
everything in our power to free that soldier? This provision also
serves to make it very clear to any rogue nation who might want to
arrest an American for political purposes, we will not tolerate it and
we will take action to stop it.
Mr. Chairman, that person that is behind bars on that chart could be
the gentleman from Wisconsin's (Mr. Obey) own constituent. What are you
going to do then? What are you going to do for the men and women in
uniform? What are you going to do for Members of Congress that could be
arrested and brought before the court? What are you going to do for any
person that is in the bill, any covered United States person, any
covered allied persons or any individuals detained or imprisoned for
official actions taken while the individual was a covered United States
citizen or a covered allied person?
This is a very serious provision in the bill. It is serious because
it is timely. In one month all of this can proceed. In one month while
our soldiers are in Afghanistan, they can be captured and brought
before the ICC. In one month any of our soldiers in Bosnia could be
captured and brought before the ICC. This is very serious stuff. It is
not funny. Let us protect our men and women in uniform and support the
provision.
Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I should say at the outset that the provision provided
in this legislation by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay), I will
admit is more thoughtful than the propositions which we usually get
from him; but nonetheless, I would like to again correct the record,
and I would urge the gentleman to read his own amendment.
I indicated in my remarks that I thought the gentleman may have
raised a legitimate concern insofar as U.S. citizens are concerned. But
I would point out that his language goes far beyond just protecting
U.S. citizens. It says, ``The President may use all means necessary to
bring about the release of any person,'' of any person, and it says,
``the persons authorized to be freed are not only United States
citizens but covered allied persons.'' And then the legislation goes on
to describe who those allied persons are: ``Elected or appointed
officials or other persons employed by or working on behalf of the
government of a NATO member country, a major non-NATO ally, including
Australia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Argentina, the Republic of
Korea, New Zealand or Taiwan.''
Clap, if you please. The gentleman says this does not only apply to
the geographical region of the Hague, it applies to any other region of
the world
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where one of those allied personnel could be held. I submit to you the
large amount of applause from that side of the aisle indicates just how
reckless apparently a good many people in this Congress are.
I would suggest, as I did in my earlier remarks, that if you want to
deal with this issue in a serious way, you will not, on the basis of a
20-minute debate that took place in the Committee on Appropriations,
adopt a multi-page bill which serves as a Gulf of Tonkin Resolution not
just to protect our own citizens, but anyone else in the world. It just
seems to me that that does indeed make the United States the laughing
stock. And I do not think the United States deserves that.
Now, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay) has a perfect right to
offer it, and anyone who wants to support it has a perfect right to
support it. I personally think that it is a good concern which in its
draftsmanship is ill conceived and over-reaches. And if it is indeed to
become law, then it needs substantial repair in order to protect the
dignity of the United States, and reflect the common sense which
usually is supposed to come from this body.
Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, this is a very serious matter. I am really concerned, I
know that my friend, the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey), has used
that picture, chart, diagram, whatever he referred to it as, to make an
interesting observation about this issue. But can you imagine what we
would look like if that particular chart showed up on the front page of
our friendly newspapers in Europe with our allies or potential allies?
I am afraid that it would make us look really bad if a distinguished
Member of this Congress was suggesting that another Member was
advocating an invasion of an ally. That is what that chart makes it
look like. So this is a serious matter, and it deserves serious
discussion.
Just a few weeks ago, I had an opportunity to visit with some of our
troops in Bosnia. Yes, we are still in Bosnia, and we are still doing
things there. And just 2 days before I was with those troops, they had
arrested one of the indicted war criminals in Bosnia. They had to use
some unusual sources of information. They had to use some very unusual
and extreme methods for apprehending this indicted war criminal. They
did so.
Now, it was a rather delicate operation. Had they been out there
having to worry about doing something that would violate the
International Criminal Court or being arrested for something they did,
I just wonder how effective their mission might have been. As it was,
their mission was very effective.
I will tell another story. We all know about Operation Anaconda in
Afghanistan. As part of Operation Anaconda, there were several
helicopters with troops. One of the soldiers on board was a Navy SEAL.
He was knocked out of the helicopter as it rose from the ground, and he
fell to the ground. The troops in the other helicopter went to the
ground and began a fire fight that lasted for nearly 8 hours trying to
rescue this Navy SEAL who had been knocked out of the helicopter. They
did not know if he was alive or dead at the time, but they were either
going to bring him back healthy or they were going to bring back his
body. One way or another they were going to bring him back.
They were engaged in a tremendous fire fight with the al Qaeda
military unit. One of those Rangers on that helicopter that went in was
a Ranger named Mark Anderson. I am glad Mark Anderson did not have to
worry about something that might get him arrested by the International
Criminal Court.
I am really glad this is not one of the things he had to think about
at the time when he was trying to rescue his comrades and save his
life. But unfortunately, just several weeks ago my wife and I attended
the funeral of Ranger Mark Anderson who lost his life in that incident.
I am very happy that Mark did not have to worry about being arrested
and being taken to the International Criminal Court while he was
performing a mission trying to save a fellow trooper. So I think that
this is a serious issue, and I think that we need to be concerned about
it. But I do not think we should be giving friend or foe around the
world an opportunity to reprint a poster like we just saw here that
would indicate that Members of this Congress think that we are going to
invade an ally.
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
(Ms. HARMAN asked and was given permission to revise and extend her
remarks.)
Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, the support of our women and men in uniform
is indeed a serious matter. I take a back seat to no one in my support
of a strong defense and intelligence budget for fighting and winning
the wars of the 21st century.
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Throughout my tenure in Congress I have voted to ensure that the
women and men defending our Nation have the tools and resources
necessary to fight and win the next war, not the last one.
During that same time, I have also voted for the tough choices that
led to a balanced budget, beginning with the 1993 budget, then Penny-
Kasich, and continuing through the 1997 Balanced Budget Act. I voted to
put us on a path that led to the first balanced budget in a generation,
and I voted with huge bipartisan majorities of this body to create a
lockbox and protect the Social Security and Medicare trust funds.
That is why it is so disappointing that we are considering a
supplemental appropriations bill that only continues multibillion
dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. Those deficits break our
repeated promises to protect Social Security and Medicare and they hurt
our fragile economy.
Mr. Chairman, we can do better. Sitting down together to hammer out a
plan that returns us to a budget surplus is far better than increasing
our debt limit by $750 billion. I am profoundly disappointed that this
body is unwilling to make the hard choices necessary to balance the
budget and protect the Social Security and Medicare trust funds.
Instead, we are choosing imbalance.
What we need, Mr. Chairman, is a wartime budget that fully funds all
that is necessary to win the war on terrorism and puts all other
spending and tax issues back on the table to be reprioritized in a
balanced budget framework. I support tax cuts that we can afford.
Fiscal responsibility is as much a part of our homeland defense as
spending on the war on terrorism. Without economic security, we will
never truly have national security. The pending bill fails to reflect
this reality. Sadly, it only ensures that future generations will be
forced to pick up the pieces left by our unwillingness to make tough
but balanced budget decisions. We should do better.
Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I wanted to address the issue of Israel money or some
aid to Israel that is in this bill, about $200 million, and talk about
the need for it.
Earlier a speaker said that the economy in Israel is strong, and I
would take exception to that. If my colleagues go down to Ben Yehuda
marketplace, entertainment area, it is empty. A person cannot go to
Bethlehem because the terrorists have it. A person cannot go to the old
city of Jerusalem. One can hardly go to the Western Wall without going
through more security than it requires to go to the airport.
The hotels are empty or half full. The shopping areas are as well. If
one goes to a mall in Israel right now, it is like driving up to the
U.S. Capitol; you have to have your car searched; you have to have it
turned off; you have to have bomb dogs sniff it; and then when you park
in the parking lot at the mall, you go into the mall and there again
you have to go through a metal detector. That is life in Israel.
Also life in Israel is a story of a woman at a shoe store who was an
employee there and was asked, when a woman walked in one day with what
appeared to be a bottle of water, to bend down and pick up a pair of
shoes because the customer was interested in it. When the woman bent
down, the customer pulled out this water, which was not water after
all, but acid, and poured it on her, burning 50 percent of the surface
of her body.
It also means, as the case with three teenagers who went to Sbarro's
Pizza to get a snack after studying one day, and they went in there and
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third young man with him, and he remembered he forgot his wallet and
ran out, and when he walked out to get his money, somebody walked in
with a guitar case full of explosives and blew up the pizza parlor,
killing 16 people, including the two young ladies.
This is a story of a 19-year-old soldier who lived at home, who
walked out of her house one day and three minutes later was stabbed
just about in her own front yard, stabbed to death, and the terrorist
killed three other Israelis in their neighborhood complex before he was
captured.
The stories go on and on, and the reason why I mention them is
because these statistics are real, and we often look at the statistics,
and we hear about Israel and the suicide bombers, but we do not realize
there is a lot of other statistics in terrorism that goes on, and these
are the numbers just until Tuesday, May 22, that have happened of
terrorist attacks in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
We hear about Israel's aggression in the town of Jenin. We hear about
their aggression against private citizens. Well, here are some of the
weapons which myself and the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Hoeffel),
the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Saxton) and the gentleman from
Florida (Mr. Deutsch) inspected three weeks ago when we were in Israel.
These are the weapons that were taken in the town of Jenin from so-
called citizens.
Here is the rocket-propelled grenades that were confiscated by the
Israeli Army from these so-called private citizens, and notice the
Reynolds Wrap around them where they buried them to hide them from
inspectors.
The photos go on and on of munitions after munitions, and this is not
to mention the 50 tons of ammunition that was on the Carine A, that was
a ship, that was confiscated.
Indeed, Israel is our ally. It is the only democracy in the Middle
East, and it is surrounded by very hostile neighbors. Arafat is a
terrorist. Arafat is not interested in peace. Arafat could end the
violence, but he is incapable of bringing the peace on, and should we
have an independent Palestinian State, my colleagues have to ask
themselves, are we not creating another Iraq or another Iran? Will the
axis of evil become four sets of tires on the road of destruction in
the world?
It is in America's interest to stand with Israel. They are a great
ally. They are a democracy, but also, in order to keep our soldiers
from having to go from Central Asia to the Middle East, leaving
Afghanistan and going to fight in the Middle East, we need to stand
solidly with Israel. We need to give them financial and economic
support and military support at this time. I think it is very much
appropriate that it is in this bill, and I hope that others will
support it.
I also want to say on a sad note, a personal note, many of my
colleagues may have already known this, but the gentleman from Florida
(Mr. Deutsch) is not with us tonight. He is a strong supporter of
Israel, but his father passed away. So during the course of the next
couple of hours if my colleagues find some time and feel compelled,
keep the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Deutsch) in your prayers.
Mr. LANGEVIN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
(Mr. LANGEVIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. LANGEVIN. Mr. Chairman, there are two issues before us today, and
on one of them I do not think we will find a hint of dissent. We are at
war and we stand united in our support for the President, the war on
terrorism and the men and women of our Armed Forces who are fighting
valiantly to preserve freedom and democracy.
As a proud member of the House Committee on Armed Services, I have
been a passionate advocate for providing whatever support our military
needs to win this war and the funding in this bill is critical to
meeting that goal. We should have an up-or-down vote on this important
issue and we will, but there is another important issue at hand today,
Mr. Chairman, and that is the Republicans' attempt to raise the debt
limit.
It is this issue that makes today a defining moment for this Congress
and this country. Decades from now history will judge us by how we
handled the fiscal situation that confronts us right now, and my heart
is heavy because I have seen the response of the majority, and this is
a travesty.
We should have an up-or-down vote on this important issue of raising
the debt limit, but we will not. A year ago the administration claimed
there would be no need to increase the statutory ceiling on the public
debt until 2008 if the Congress adopted the Republican budget. Last
week, Treasury Secretary O'Neill wrote to Congress supporting the very
same administration's recent request to raise the debt limit by three
quarters of a trillion dollars in order to avoid default on interest
payments due by July. These startling developments clearly highlight
how responsible the fiscal policy of the administration and the
leadership of this House has been.
Last year I joined my Democratic colleagues in cautioning that the
administration's budget simply did not add up. Sadly, our warnings were
ignored and we were instead continually reassured that we could afford
an enormous tax cut, ensure the solvency of Social Security and
Medicare, pay down the national debt, fund our domestic priorities and
still have a large reserve fund for unanticipated emergencies.
As is now clear to us all, that budget was based on unrealistic
surplus projections that never materialized and a misguided tax cut
that lavished the vast majority of benefits on the wealthiest
Americans.
Not surprisingly, we now face deficits and an ever increasing
national debt that stretch far beyond the temporary economic downturn
or the costs of the war on terrorism.
Each of us was elected by a majority of the people in our districts
to come to our Nation's capital to vote and speak the will of the
people. Yet the Republican leadership, in an attack that is becoming
all too familiar in this Chamber, has denied an up-or-down vote on an
issue that is critical to every one of our constituents.
Let me be perfectly clear on one very important point. Any funds that
become available from a debt limit increase come directly from the
Social Security and Medicare trust funds. There is simply no other
money available, and as we pull out the national credit card and say
charge it one more time, we are saddling future generations with
massive debt and endangering the future fiscal stability of this
Nation.
Mr. Chairman, when the American people are already paying $1 billion
in interest-only payments on the debt every day, we have a problem.
When a debt ceiling of $5.95 trillion is no longer high enough, we have
a problem. When the interest payments on our debt are on a fast track
to become our single largest annual expenditure, we have a problem. And
when the leadership of this body responds by raising the debt limit by
a back door parliamentary maneuver instead of an honest up-or-down
vote, we have a problem. That problem is a fiscal policy that does not
work and a Republican majority that is willing to dip into the Social
Security and Medicare trust funds to make up for a shortfall created by
a $1.8 trillion tax cut pushed through the House last year.
This country will not survive economically if we do not get our
fiscal house in order. The crisis is upon us now and the time to
respond is now. Are we going to continue to mortgage our children's
future or are we going to face this challenge with courage and
integrity and put America back on the right track?
It is time to leave behind these secretive, shameful, partisan ploys
and honor our commitments. We could do this by working together to
craft a bipartisan plan that will responsibly address the debt limit
issue while protecting the Social Security and Medicare and ensuring
the burdens of today's fiscal policies are not placed on the shoulders
of our children and grandchildren.
We need light in this Chamber. As President Woodrow Wilson once said,
``Wherever any business affecting the public is conducted, wherever any
plans affecting the public are laid, over that place a voice must speak
with the divine prerogative of the people's will the words `let there
be light.' ''.
Mr. Chairman, there is no light in our work today.
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Mr. Chairman, we heard some more about spending all the Social
Security surplus. I think it is probably prudent that we find out
exactly why we are in the situation we are today.
We have a problem with the Democrat leadership in that there has been
no budget offered, only criticism. Now there is a body that presides on
the north side of the Capitol and one on the south side of the Capitol.
The body on the north side of the Capitol is also what some people
would call AWOL, absent without leadership.
This rule that we have here is a situation where we have added to the
bill section 1403 that provides statutory assurance that the United
States Government will take all steps necessary to guarantee the full
faith and credit of the Federal Government.
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This has been interpreted by the Members on the other side of the
aisle that we are going to borrow $750 billion from the Social Security
trust fund. Now, there is nothing in the legislation that says $750
billion. It is an assumption made from a statement, just like a rumor
on a rumor on a rumor. What the rule does do is it creates a mechanism
to allow the conference committee to act on the statutory debt.
We have been repaying the publicly held debt over the last 4 years.
In fact, we have paid off nearly $.5 trillion of the nearly $4 trillion
of this debt we have inherited from the Democrats who controlled
Congress for the previous 40 years prior to 1995. The Republicans have
reduced the public debt. The only growth in government debt was from
inner-government debt. This is reflected by the bonds that are held in
the Social Security trust fund.
Now, the Republicans have set out on a course for the Federal
Government to repay all the debt available for redemption over the next
decade. There have been charges that the tax cuts are going to drive us
into bankruptcy, but that is not true. There are some long-term bonds
that will not mature for several decades, and we cannot get to those
and pay them off without paying a premium to redeem them early. But we
are still on track to meet this goal even after accounting for the
President's tax cut.
Now, the tax cut for fiscal year 2002 is $38 billion. That is how
much money went back to the American public. What they did with that
money was one of three things. You have a few options when you have a
little extra money in your pocket. One, they could invest it, which is
good for the economy, because it allows corporations to expand and
create jobs. They can save it, which is good for the economy, because
that creates capital for mortgages and people can go out and buy new
homes. Or they can spend it, buying goods, which again creates a demand
for jobs. All three things are good for the economy. So what we have
done this year in tax relief is provide $38 billion into the economy,
which is helping us come out of the recession.
Now, on September 11, our whole system went into shock, our economy
into shock. We started a war against terrorism that is worldwide. We
have already provided $43 billion to address the needs and respond to
the crisis that occurred from September 11. Some of it went to New York
to help clean up and rebuild the city; some of it has gone to support
our young men and women who are now fighting the war on terrorism
across the globe, whether it be in Afghanistan or in the Philippines.
So this allegation that this bill has $750 billion worth of debt coming
out of the Social Security trust fund is not true. It is a
misconception.
Again, let me just refer to section 1403, which is now part of this
bill. It says we are going to guarantee the full faith and credit of
the government. Now, no one on the other side has really stopped to
answer the question what would happen if we do not provide for the full
faith and credit of the government. What crisis would then become
apparent in our economy? What about those in our districts across the
Nation that hold financial instruments from the government, like
savings bonds or Treasury bills? What if one of my colleagues' best
friends or a relative wanted to cash in a savings bond, and they went
to the bank and the bank said, Well, the government does not have full
faith and credit, therefore we are not going to honor your financial
instrument?
This is a very necessary part of conducting the business of the
United States Government. So let us not continue with this facade about
spending $750 billion out of the trust fund for Social Security. This
is merely an instrument to make us assure the full faith and credit of
the United States Government.
Announcement by the Chairman
The CHAIRMAN. The Chair again reminds all Members not to make
improper references to the Senate.
Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, if things had gone as planned, we might have passed
this bill yesterday, passed it overwhelmingly, because we were united
in doing what is right for this country. As a member of the Committee
on Appropriations, I was proud of the way we worked together. Members
on both sides of the aisle crafted a responsible bill addressing the
very real emergency needs of this Nation as we fight a war on
terrorism. It includes critical funding for the Pentagon, for airline
security, for the economic recovery of New York. It funds our war on
terrorism.
Unfortunately, the bipartisan accomplishment was shattered by the
Republican leadership's insistence on a back-door increase in the
amount of the debt our Nation can run up. And my colleague who just
spoke from the other side of the aisle said it does not say $750
billion in there. That is because they do not want to say it, $750
billion. They do not want to talk about it. My colleagues do not want
to talk about what they are doing. They are doing it as something to
hide from the American people.
Because of the massive tax cuts for the wealthy, and those are the
pockets that that tax cut went into, not into the pockets of middle-
class families in this country, the massive tax cuts for the wealthy
that the Republicans passed last spring, we are operating again on
borrowed money. Increasing our spending limit effectively pays for
those tax cuts by raiding the Social Security trust fund. That is where
the borrowed money comes from. Further, this gives Republicans a
license to continue to do this for years to come.
Put simply, it is like raising the limit on our national credit card
and paying for it out of Social Security. Make no mistake, this
maneuver has nothing to do with financing our war on terrorism,
protecting our Nation, or economic downturn. Only $800 billion of the
$2.7 trillion increase in our national debt projected by the
administration itself is related to any of those needs.
Where does the $2 trillion of debt come from? That is right, it comes
from the Republican tax cut, pure and simple. That is why the
administration had been seeking this increase well before September 11,
and that is why Republicans refuse to allow a simple up-or-down vote on
the issue. They do not want to face the consequences of their tax cut.
This is a raid, pure and simple, on the Social Security trust fund to
pay for a fiscally irresponsible plan. Increasing the Nation's spending
limit raises interest rates; it amounts to a tax increase on all
Americans. It will place the burden on our children for years to come.
You know, this bill is supposed to be about supporting the war
effort. It should be about giving our country the tools it needs to
defeat terrorism in every corner of the globe. And it is appropriate
that we consider this bill on the eve of the holiday during which we
honor those who have fought for our country.
We have heard a lot about patriotism on the floor of the House today
and impugning people on this side of the aisle and their patriotism.
Let me remind the prior speaker and the majority leader and the whip of
the Republican Party that on rollcall vote number 103, April 28, 1999,
at 8:18 p.m., we had a vote on the floor of this House authorizing the
President of the United States to conduct military air operations and
missile strikes against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. That was
Serbia and Montenegro. Our planes were in the air, my colleagues, and
the people who voted against those troops that night included the
gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay), the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Armey),
and the gentleman from Kansas (Mr.
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Tiahrt). 193 Democrats voted to protect our troops and 192 Republicans
voted not to protect our troops. Let us talk about patriotism and put
patriotism where it belongs.
Everyone in this Chamber knows that without the extras loaded into
this bill, virtually all of us would have supported this bill to help
us to win the war on terrorism. I urge the Republican leadership to
bring before this House a bill that does not tamper with Social
Security. It is a sacred trust between generations.
I have an 89-year-old mother, I have kids who I hope will be working
for my Social Security the way I worked for my mother's Social
Security. That is what it is about. It is about our values as
Americans. It supports our belief that a lifetime of work should
guarantee a safe, a secure, and a healthy and dignified retirement. It
has nothing to do with this legislation which is about supporting our
troops and winning the war on terrorism.
It is time for House Republicans to be straightforward with the
American people. The American people are going to hold my Republican
colleagues accountable; and it is they, the American people, who will
have the final say.
Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last
word.
Mr. Chairman, first of all, let me say I rise in very strong support
of the DeLay amendment. It is a very serious and necessary amendment
that makes clear that the United States will not sit idly by as
prosecutors and judges, whose country of origin will be rogue states,
bring politically motivated charges against United States servicemen
and women around the globe.
I truly believe, Mr. Chairman, that the depiction used by the
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) of this very serious amendment
trivializes not only the amendment but the compelling risk to U.S.
peacekeepers abroad, U.S. peacekeepers who are likely to be accused by
rogue nations, prosecutors who work for countries like the Sudan,
Libya, or other countries where human rights are trashed and cruelty is
the order of the day. Our people could be held accountable for doing
their duty for either peacekeeping or peacemaking. And that, frankly,
is absolutely unacceptable.
Let me make it very clear, Mr. Chairman, that I was and I am a very
strong supporter of the regional criminal actions that have been taken
against those who commit crimes against humanity in Rwanda as well as
in the former Yugoslavia. I believe we ought to do it on a regional
basis, and not allow this ongoing freestanding court with judges and
prosecutors, again, who are from rogue states who will sit in judgment
of U.S. peacekeepers and peacemakers.
Let me just also say on those regional courts, when the first
tribunal was getting under way, I offered the amendments to
significantly increase the amount of the U.S. contribution because of
the terrible crimes that were being committed against the Croatians and
then the Bosnians. So I take a back seat to no one about my concern in
holding accountable the Milosevics of this world. But having said that,
this tribunal is rife with mischief and is likely to kill peacekeeping
as we know it.
Why would we send our men and women out to be held accountable by a
Libyan judge and by a Libyan prosecutor who would bring our people to
trial? And I would just note parenthetically that the Clinton
administration was against this until the last few weeks of the
administration when they signed it, but argued against it in Rome as
the Rome Statute, or the ICC, was being considered. At one of our
hearings I asked the U.S. State Department to go back to all of our
wars, World War II, World War I, the Korean conflict, Vietnam, and look
at any battle that we were engaged in, and asked the question, Could a
prosecutor take the Dresden bombing or the bombing of Japan or
Hiroshima or Nagasaki and bring an action against President Truman, or
General Marshall, or President Eisenhower, or any of our other
generals, or those who flew the Enola Gay? Or take Vietnam or any other
conflict, most recently the Persian Gulf, or any conflict we have
engaged in.
This is rife, rife with mischief that rogue nations would bring about
against us. And let us not forget as well, although it was rejected,
there was an attempt to bring action against General Wesley Clark, who
led our efforts in the Serbian conflict. And had we had somebody from
one of those rogue nations sitting as a prosecutor, he might have been
brought to the Hague or there may have been an attempt to bring him to
the Hague to stand in account.
Finally, if you want a glimpse about what the ICC will look like when
it comes into force, look just at the U.N. Human Rights Convention in
Geneva. I have been there, year in and year out, as has the gentleman
from Virginia (Mr. Wolf), and many of us saw countries like the Sudan
sitting in judgement to do two things: one, they tried to run
interference when actions are brought against them; and, secondly, they
sit in judgment and then try to give their friends who commit human
rights abuses a pass. They constantly do that.
That is why this is a dangerous game. And again I think the gentleman
from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) owes the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay) an
apology. That little game he played with the Netherlands was way off
base. This is a serious amendment, and when our peacekeepers are held
accountable, I hope President Bush and any successor President does all
that is humanly possible to protect every American service personnel
abroad as well as in this country.
Mr. Chairman, first of all, let me say I rise in very strong support
of the DeLay amendment. It is a very serious and necessary amendment
that makes clear that the United States will not sit idly by as
prosecutors and judges, whose country of origin will at times be rogue
states, bring politically motivated charges against United States
servicemen and women around the globe.
I truly believe, Mr. Chairman, that the depiction used by the
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) of this very serious amendment
trivializes not only the amendment but the compelling risk to U.S.
peacekeepers abroad, U.S. peacekeepers who are likely to be accused by
rogue nations, prosecutors who work for countries like the Sudan,
Libya, or other countries where human rights are trashed and cruelty is
the order of the day. Our people could be subjected to kangaroo trials
for doing their peacekeeping or peacemaking duty. And that, frankly, is
absolutely unacceptable.
Let me make it very clear, Mr. Chairman, that I was and I am a very
strong supporter of the regional criminal tribunals that have been used
to prosecute those who have committed crimes against humanity in Rwanda
as well as in the former Yugoslavia. I believe we ought to establish
war crimes tribunals on an ad hoc basis, and not allow this
freestanding court with judges and prosecutors, who are accountable to
none, to sit in judgment of U.S. military personnel.
Let me just say with regards to ad hoc tribunals, that the first
tribunal was getting under way, I offered amendments in committee to
significantly increase the amount of the U.S. contribution to establish
the tribunal. The terrible crimes that were committed against the
Croatians and then the Bosnians and even the Serbes, demanded no less.
So I take a back seat to no one about my concern in holding accountable
the Milosevics of this world. But having said that, the tribunal
established by the Rome Statute is rife with mischief and is likely to
kill peacekeeping as we know it.
Why would we send our men and women out to be harassed and prosecuted
by a Libyan judge and by a Libyan prosecutor who would bring our
soldiers to trial? And I would just note parenthetically that the
Clinton administration was against the ICC until the last few weeks of
the administration when they abruptly signed it, but previously had
argued against it in Rome, as the ICC was being considered. At one of
several hearings I chaired I asked the U.S. State Department
representatives to go back to all of our wars: World War II. World War
I, the Korean conflict, Vietnam, and look at any battle that we were
engaged in, and I asked the question, Could a prosecutor construe the
Dresden bombing or the fire bombing of Tokyo or Hiroshima or Nagasaki
and bring an action against President Truman, or General MacArthur or
Eisenhower or Marshall, or any of our other generals, or those who
piloted or crewed the Enola Gay? Or take Vietnam or any other conflict,
most recently the Persian Gulf or the bombing of Serbia or any conflict
we have engaged in. Were these actions, in whole or in part, war
crimes? I got a big ``maybe'' from State.
The ICC is rife with mischief that rogue nations would bring actions
against us. And let us not forget, as well, although it was rejected by
the prosecution arm at The Hague, there was an attempt to bring action
against General Wesley Clark and others who led our efforts in the
Serbian conflict. And had we had somebody from one of those rogue
nations
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serving as a prosecutor, he might have been brought to The Hague or
there may have been an attempt to bring him to The Hague to stand
trial.
Finally, if you want a glimpse about what the ICC will look like when
it comes into force look just at the U.N. Human Rights Convention in
Geneva. I have been there, year in and year out, as has the gentleman
from Virginia (Mr. Wolf) and Ms. Ros Lehtinen, and many of us saw
countries like the Sudan sitting on the commission do two things: one,
they tried to run interference when actions were brought against them;
and, secondly, they sat in judgment and then tried to give their
friends who commit human rights abuses, a pass. If given new powers to
prosecute Americans--believe me--they will!
That is why this is a dangerous game. I believe the gentleman from
Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) owes the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay) an
apology. That little game he played earlier with the Netherlands
invasion scenario was way off base. This is a serious amendment, and
when our peacekeepers are wrongfully charged, I trust President Bush
and any successor President will do all that is humanly possible to
protect every American soldier, sailor, or marine abroad.
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Mr. McDERMOTT. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. I would
remind the gentleman that he voted against supporting the troops when
they went to Kosovo.
Today this House is sort of engaged in watching a great allegory,
only I think the Republican leadership has forgotten one of their
famous phrases, ``Remember the Alamo.'' Why do I say that? You ask
yourself, why would somebody stand in the Alamo and wait and get killed
when they knew they were going to die? Or why did the Jews jump off the
rock in Masada? Or why did the troopers get surrounded at Little Big
Horn and why did they fight till they died?
The people on the other side, the leadership, are not paying
attention to what is going on here, because there is a truth in what is
going on in this process, and it is this: You have the power. We can
talk and talk and talk and we know that we are going to lose. There is
no question about that. We have no illusions that we are going to win.
But why do people do what they did in the Alamo? Or why do people fly
planes into buildings in New York? Or why do people wrap bombs around
themselves? Or why do they go into the general post office in Dublin on
Easter Sunday in 1916? You can pick a thousand places in history where
people have done what makes no sense to people, where if you look at it
you would say, ``They had no chance.''
We know we have no chance here tonight, but we are frustrated, we are
powerless, because you have taken all the power. Wonderful allegory.
You come out here, you smash us, you will beat us on every single
amendment, and we will not be able to save Social Security, we will not
be able to save Medicare. We cannot stop you from spending like you had
no tomorrow. We have no ability to do that. We can tell the American
people we stand against that kind of stuff and we will be beaten
tonight.
But the problem with that is, we are coming to the last act in the
allegory. I got this little thing that came from the GOP to their
members:
``Please note that it is mandatory that all Members stay in town and
be available for votes tonight and the early morning hours as we plan
to finish the supplemental in the early morning hours. It's possible
for your boss to catch a late-morning flight home on Friday.''
We know martial law is coming. They knew it in the Warsaw ghetto.
They knew it everywhere. Did people give up? No. But this really is not
the Alamo. It is not really the end. This is more like Dunkirk. The
Nazis pushed the Brits all the way up against the beach and they
thought, boy, we are going to be in England in about a month. And at
Dunkirk they took off 338,000 people who came back to fight another
day.
When they surrounded the American troops at Bastogne in the Battle of
the Bulge, they sent in an offer of unconditional surrender to General
McAuliffe. He sent back one word written on a piece of paper: Nuts.
What you do not understand is there is an election coming and the
American people are going to watch what you have done to Social
Security and what you have done with the surplus that started out at
$5.6 trillion and you have taken it down below the line and we are down
in the depths again, a trillion dollars below. The single biggest
reversal in economics in the history of the world. And you guys are
still spending. You are still spending. ``Let's raise the debt limit.
Let's keep spending.'' It is like if you take your credit card and you
give one to your son or daughter and they go to college. They say,
``Dad, I've reached the limit. What should I do?'' You say, stop
spending or get a part-time job or something. But no, not with you
guys. You call up the company and say, ``Raise our debt limit. We got
to have more credit to spend.''
We cannot stop you. You are free to do it. But you are also free to
pay the price. And do not think this is the last night. I mean, you
will win. In about two hours and 40 minutes, you will close this joint
down and create a new day and you will come out here and slam bam,
thank you, ma'am, and it will be over. We understand that. But do not
think it is all over.
Mr. WOLF. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. I will be
brief. I just wanted to rise in support of the DeLay amendment.
I broke with my party. I supported sending troops and being involved
in Bosnia and in Kosovo. But I will tell those who cared about that,
the first American soldier that is brought before the court, we would
lose support from the American public for any involvement around the
world. If America is not involved, it is not successful. And if we were
not involved, the world would be a much more dangerous place.
The DeLay amendment is really a good amendment. For that I would urge
that we would support it.
I yield to the gentleman from California.
Mr. HERGER. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Chairman, I have been listening to the Democrats talk about the
debt limit. Here are some points Members and the public should bear in
mind when considering these arguments from the other side.
Last week on the same floor during the debate on the Nation's welfare
policy, the Democrats offered two proposals: One was a substitute
welfare reform bill that called for $20 billion more in Federal welfare
spending over the next five years and $70 billion more in welfare
spending over the next 10 years. The second proposal was a motion to
add more than $11 billion in new spending to the Republican bill. In
both cases, the Democrats refused to pay for their additional spending.
Let me repeat this, Mr. Chairman. The Democrats did not pay for their
proposed increase in government spending. The additional costs would
just get added to our national debt. In contrast, the Republican
welfare bill was fully paid for within the House-passed budget. I guess
the Democrats have a tough time understanding what that means since for
the first time in a generation they did not have their own budget in
the House. And the Democrat-controlled Senate cannot seem to get a
budget done, either. All of this reflects that what is going on today
is a charade. The Democrats can sure talk a good game about fiscal
responsibility in general, but when it comes to specific bills that
reflect their real priorities, like welfare reform last week, being
responsible with taxpayers' money is the last thing on their minds.
Mr. SANDLIN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, it is hard to stifle the truth. It has a way of coming
out. But our friends on the other side of the aisle have tried all day
to gag the United States Congress so that we cannot debate the issues
and we cannot discuss the truth. But today the truth has leaked out,
drip by drip.
The truth is we all support the United States troops. There is no
question about that. But the truth also is that we are poised to invade
Social Security trust funds for the next 10 years to the tune of $1.5
trillion through 2012. That is the truth. The truth is the Republican
plan is to spend $2.25 billion in trust funds for other programs in
2003 alone. That is the truth. The truth is our friends on the other
side of the aisle should hang their heads in embarrassment. They have
been caught in a procedural and political shenanigan that they employed
to use American
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taxpayer dollars to target and influence specific political campaigns
in New York and Pennsylvania. That is the truth. That has nothing to do
with our troops. That has nothing to do with national defense. They are
funding programs in rural hospitals in New York and Pennsylvania
located in vulnerable Republican districts. The rest of America is
excluded. That is the truth. There are 1,300 hospitals in this country
that will be disadvantaged by this legislation. The only way to make
them whole, to put back the money that they are taking away so that
they can be returned to current funding levels, is to raid Social
Security funds. That is it. That is the truth.
The current bill runs up America's credit card while stealing from
America's senior citizens' Social Security. To compound the problem,
the Republican plan will require stealing. It will require stealing
additional Social Security funds just to keep hospital funding at
current levels. You have to do it. You have to take it. There is no
other way. That is the truth.
But Republicans do not want Americans to hear this debate. That is
what you have been about all day. They stifled the issues. Now they
want to stifle the process. They say they want an open debate, but mark
my words, Mr. Chairman, within the next few hours the Republicans will
stop all debate on the issues. They will stop all debate on the
process. They want to gag America. They do not want America to hear the
issues. That is an arrogant use of procedural excess and they should be
embarrassed.
Mr. Chairman, in Texas we are known for plain speaking. I want to say
this to my friends on the other side of the aisle. This comes straight
from the Texas Rangers: No party in the wrong can stand up to a party
in the right who keeps on a-coming. And, by golly, we are going to keep
on a-coming.
Mr. CALVERT. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, as I listen to my colleagues from both sides of the
aisle, I stand before you perplexed by the banter going back and forth.
In case you have not noticed, we are at war, folks. I do not know about
you, but I want to make sure that the dedicated men and women in
uniform, our brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, mothers and fathers,
are able to fight and win this war. In order to do that, our troops
need the resources to win.
On the eve of this Memorial Day weekend, I think about the beautiful
yet harrowing tributes to the hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans
that have fought to defend our freedom. The Korean Memorial bears a
simple sentence: Freedom is not free. It is one of the simplest and
most powerful statements ever made. Freedom is not free. Because war is
not free, both in material and, sadly, in human lives.
I have heard the talk about hard choices. There are a lot of choices
to make. But placing the lives of our soldiers at risk over procedural
and jurisdictional bickering should not be an option. If we do not
supply them with the necessary resources to win, none of the arguments
will matter.
These funds will pay for urgent wartime expenses related to the
military actions in Afghanistan and other U.S. operations against
global terrorist threats. These funds will improve our homeland
security by empowering law enforcement with the tools to track down
terrorists and safeguard our aviation systems, nuclear assets, ports
and borders. I do not like adding to the national debt and I certainly
do not like seeing our Nation at war. But these two emergencies, one
economic and one military, were forced upon us. Dealing with both of
these emergencies in one vote is fine with me.
American troops need the resources to win. I support this
supplemental and urge my colleagues to do the same.
Mrs. THURMAN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, before we go on to this next debate, I do want to say,
and I really hope that some of my friends on the other side will look
at their rollcall vote 103 in April of 1999, to stand up here in one
day with this President to talk about their feelings for the military.
I remember this night clearly. My father was a B-52 tail gunner. He was
one who fought in this country. The night of April 28, our Commander in
Chief, at the time President Clinton, was sending people into
Yugoslavia. And this House, with a majority of Republicans voting
against our military, tonight come down and talk about their support of
the uniformed men and women. I am not suggesting that they are not, but
I would just suggest that we ought to make sure that we are consistent.
I will tell you that I am consistent. I voted that night as I have
continued to vote, no matter who was in the Oval Office. But tonight
again we are considering a $29 billion supplemental appropriations
bill. All day long we have talked about this. We all know that we are
fighting a war on terrorism.
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I do not think there is a Member here who does not support that war
effort. However, fighting the war on terrorism is only one of many
parts of the bill. There are many things that the American people feel
that are crucial to their well-being, and we want to respond to all of
these issues responsibly. But how are we going to pay for their
solution if we continue to spend the money we do not have? You cannot
pass the supplemental bill without invading the trust funds and
breaking the promises made to the American people.
Instead of paying down the debt, we are adding to the debt and to the
interest payments. Before we increase the debt ceiling by another $750
billion, we need a plan and we need new budget restraints.
You might ask why? Well, you are going to hear from women today about
the effects of this bill and the effect they have on women. I think
that any family that has tried to plan to send their kids to college,
to buy a house, or to perhaps move a loved one out of the workforce to
help take care of them, knows they simply cannot call the credit card
company and say, ``Can you give me an increase in my credit limit?''
They do the responsible thing by paying off the family's debt to make
room for these expenses.
Families make these decisions every day, and Congress needs to be
responsible to the American people as these family members are to one
another.
Let us look at how much women, women, your wives, rely on the Social
Security program. Let us explore how they would be affected by
reductions in benefits due to a $750 billion increase in the debt
limit.
Almost two-thirds of all women 65 years and older get at least half
of their income from Social Security. For one-third of these women,
Social Security makes up 90 percent or more of their income.
Women take time out of the workforce to care for children and elderly
parents. As a result, they rely more heavily on their husband's Social
Security benefits. Over 60 percent of women on Social Security receive
spousal benefits, while only 1 percent of men receive such payments.
Women tend to outlive their husbands by an average of seven years.
These seven years can be the most vulnerable times of their lives.
Social Security as we know it today continues to pay benefits as long
as the beneficiary is alive. Reductions in Social Security payments due
to lack of funds would leave women stranded, so one can see that
dipping into Social Security by raising the debt limit can cause great
harm, especially to women.
Mr. Chairman, what we are doing here today will have an effect on
future generations of families. At this moment Congress is sitting down
at the kitchen table figuring things out like so many families do every
day. Let us be like those families that pay off their credit card debt
to make room for future expenses. Adding $750 billion in new debt to
America's credit card is the wrong way.
Mr. WAMP. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I passionately believe that neither party has an
exclusive on integrity or ideas or patriotism, but I have to say
tonight that the excessive campaign rhetoric of the last 24 hours
demeans this process and really falls short of the character of this
House.
I want to talk about some of the substantive items in this bill. The
International Criminal Court is absolutely a bad idea that Members from
both parties should reject every opportunity we get, and the
distinguished majority whip should be commended for bringing this
amendment forward and trying to
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stifle the advancement of the International Criminal Court. It is a
great threat to innocent Americans and is a terrible precedent for the
future, particularly at this dangerous moment in American history.
Relative to Israel, I do not know what the magic number is. I wish
there was a better way of assessing how much they need, and, following
the request from Israel, our ally, for what they really need, not using
an arbitrary number to establish how much we are sending them. I
understand that Secretary Powell and the administration have a delicate
balance on trying to negotiate some positive step towards peace, but I
do not like funding the PLO or any related organization there at all. I
think we need to stand by our ally, Israel, for a host of reasons, most
of them Biblical, in my heart, and in no way ever turn away from our
ally, Israel, because we will pay the price if we do.
But tonight what we have, after all of the rhetoric is out of the
way, is an emergency defense supplemental that is absolutely necessary
to get the equipment and the funding in the hands of those men and
women who are standing between the threat and our civilian population
and the advancement of freedom around the world at a time of terror
still and a critical time in world history.
We must move this defense supplemental forward. It is not about tax
cuts or Social Security. Those obviously are campaign issues that are
coming in the months ahead. Let us push them off to the campaign and
let us come together in a bipartisan way and do what is right for the
men and women in uniform. That is the bottom line.
We are going into Memorial Day. Last Memorial Day the debate on the
House floor was a lot different than this campaign year Memorial Day
rhetoric, I promise you that.
When I think of Memorial Day, I think of the greatest generation, the
World War II veterans. Every time I honor them, which is every chance I
get, they say the real heroes are the ones that did not come back. They
are the ones we honor this weekend.
I will tell you how encouraged I have been since September 11,
because the greatest generation, we stand on their shoulders and honor
them, and they are the greatest. But I wonder about my generation, the
generation that has been called the ``me generation,'' the one that was
so selfish and so absorbed with our own world that we might not be the
``giving generation'' or the ``great generation'' of those that came
before us.
But following September 11, the events following September 11, when
we saw first responders put their lives on the line and die for others,
following that Biblical mantra of the greatest show of love is to give
your life for your fellow man, for your friend, in this case people you
did not even know, we, too, have answered this call to courage in our
generation.
The greatest generation veterans are smiling with amazement at what
this generation is actually made of. We indeed are becoming a great
generation ourselves. That is why we owe it to the men and women who
are willing to serve our country to give them what they need and to
work through these details we are debating today to make sure that we
do not delay moving these billions of dollars into defense and homeland
security and intelligence capabilities to protect our country and to
honor those that are willing to fight and die for us.
Freedom is not free, and as we head into the Memorial Day weekend,
let us come together tonight and put aside our differences. Let us meet
at the water's edge as Members of the great U.S. House of
Representatives and do what is right for America and send the money to
those in the field.
Mrs. CLAYTON. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, all of us, Democrats and Republicans, support our
troops in the field and our fight against terrorism. Since September
11, in fact, all Americans are united to protect our Nation from
terrorism. There is a great unity on this issue.
Those who have fought and given their lives for freedom and our
country should not be desecrated by action on this floor in an effort
to slip in or by dishonest procedure to raise the national debt ceiling
without a debate or an up-and-down vote.
This action affects all citizens, especially our seniors, and
especially the widows of our veterans, working families, children and
grandchildren. Memorial Day should honor those who have fought to
protect our freedom, rather than to cover up other devious action that
affects millions of seniors.
Our bipartisan support for the war against terrorism here at home and
abroad should not be smeared or compromised by an attack of
unpatriotism when we question the adding of unrelated special interest
items or controversial items to a much-needed supplemental
appropriation to support the war against terrorism.
We desecrate our fallen heroes, and especially their families and
their widows, especially women of color. More than 80 percent of the
non-married elderly African Americans and Latino women rely solely on
Social Security for their retirement income and their daily
necessities.
Further, for more than half of the elderly Latino and African
American women, it provides 90 percent of their total income. We
desecrate our current military men and women when we burden a clean
supplemental appropriation to support our military forces with an
undemocratic, unprecedented and unfair rule.
This rule was unworthy of our consideration. We can and we should do
better. This vague, unclear, deceptive rule prevents an honest debate,
discussion, explanation or a vote on expanding our national debt.
However, in the back rooms, not the appropriation rooms, in the back
rooms and only by reference in this bill, we will actually send the
national debt ceiling up by more than $750 billion, which will come
from, can only come from, Social Security and Medicare trust funds.
Mr. Chairman, the question is not should we raise the national debt.
We have no choice but to raise the debt. The question is how we raise
the debt. The only way we should respond to this is how we can
responsibly and accountably do this and govern our country. The
question, therefore, is how we respond appropriately without raiding
the Social Security and Medicare trust funds, which will affect the
widows and the veterans who are so dependent on their daily resources
through the payment of Social Security payments.
The uncontrolled, unlimited expansion of our national debt will
affect working families by increasing their interest rate for their
home payment, automobile payment, student loans and other financial
needs.
Finally, Mr. Chairman, we add a great burden to our children and our
grandchildren to pay for our recklessness and our fiscal
irresponsibility.
The big tax cut given last year has caused the greatest need for
raising the national debt, more than our need to fight the war against
terrorists. Yes, we should be honest. We should be honest with the
American people in this debate to tell them that our effort to fight
this war on terrorism is costly and will continue to cost. But it is a
mistake, in fact an untruth, to suggest that the majority of the reason
we have to raise the debt ceiling is for those reasons. It is because
we gave such a large tax cut to a few Americans and big corporations
that we indeed will have a lack of resources in order to respond to the
future needs of millions of older Americans to meet their critical
needs.
Mr. Chairman, we need to support the supplemental appropriation for
our military men and women. We should do no less. But the way we are
doing it does discredit to us, and it certainly does not honor our
veterans.
Let us vote on the bill that the Committee on Appropriations sent out
and recommended to this floor. In a separate vote we need to debate and
vote on the national debt. This is what we should do.
Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I see that a great many Members are not in the Chamber
tonight. I do not know where they are but they ought to be here
listening to this debate. But just in case any Members do have a
sufficient interest in these issues we are debating tonight want to try
to contact someone and tell them to come back, we are giving to talk
about some very important amendments.
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I have already been here tonight talking about my amendment to reduce
the foreign aid section of our bill for Israel and Chairman Arafat, and
I have already told you that I will have charts ready for you at the
appropriate time to make my point.
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And being in lockstep with my leadership for the last 18 years in the
House, I know full well when we bring that rule back in a little while,
they are going to honor all of my requests and all of the amendments
that I have filed are probably going to be in that rule.
In anticipation of that, there is one that some of my colleagues have
approached me on because they have taken the effort to read what is
going on here. There is one that simply says, ``making a lump sum
payment to individuals born between 1917 and 1921 or their dependents
who are currently receiving Social Security retirement benefits.''
Now, I know that many of us have town hall meetings we go to, and I
have been having town hall meetings for 18 years. And nearly 99 percent
of the time, someone asks me the question, when are you going to fix
the notch baby problem? I have always told those people when they came
to my town hall meetings, when the opportunity came, I would offer the
amendment to make certain they would get their rightful due, their just
payment, which they have been denied for all of these years, to stop
them from having to be called notch babies.
This does not totally correct it, but it gives recognition to the
notch baby problem and does tokenize them with a one-time payment. So I
know that all of my colleagues have been to their town hall meetings,
and I know, because people tell me, that all of the Members of Congress
say they are for correcting the notch baby problem, but nobody ever
does anything about it.
Well, when this rule comes back tonight, because of my lockstep
allegiance to my leadership, I know full well they are going to make my
amendment in order, and when they do make it in order, there is going
to be limited debate. So I wanted to let my colleagues know tonight,
since I will have a limited amount of time to explain my amendment as
it should be explained, that I will only have a few minutes to tell my
colleagues what we are doing with this amendment.
So anticipating that this amendment is coming and knowing full well
that probably 99 percent of this House has told notch babies in their
district that they are going to do something when the opportunity came,
I am going to give my colleagues that opportunity tonight so my
colleagues can go back home during this Memorial Day recess, have your
town hall meetings and tell your notch baby constituents that help is
coming because you voted for the Callahan amendment to give them that
recognition and to give them that one-time payment that they so richly
deserve.
I know this amendment is going to be in order, or actually I am
optimistic that it is going to be in order, because of my lockstep
allegiance to my leadership. I have followed them faithfully for 18
years, and surely after all of this period of time, in the last year of
my membership in this House of Representatives, they are going to allow
me the opportunity to at least introduce the five amendments that I
have here. But we are going to have a limited time to debate it, and I
wanted all of my colleagues to call their colleagues and tell them to
get back over here, that these things are coming up shortly and they
better be here to help us correct this problem.
Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last
word.
Mr. Chairman, I am so glad that the distinguished gentleman from
Alabama made himself clear, and I look forward to the notch babies
amendment in a bipartisan spirit, because we do have a number of those
impacted negatively by that formula, and we do want to be helpful with
respect to those seniors. I am glad that there is a positive light on
this floor.
But I rise today to be able to confront and to debate issues that,
unfortunately, have been under cover. By the way, let me also say to
the distinguished gentleman from Alabama, I would hope to be able to
support his notch babies amendment. Unfortunately, I think that if we
are going to have peace in the Mideast, we cannot and absolutely should
not eliminate the funding to Israel and to the Palestinians, and we
must have the kind of aid that says that we are engaged and that we
support the peace process. It would be a disaster for the elimination
of any funds to the Mideast, Israel or the Palestinians. Certainly, we
would not want to undermine humanitarian aid.
I also want to thank the gentlewoman from Florida (Mrs. Thurman) for
being the leader on the issue of Social Security and laying the
groundwork, while women are now here on the floor of the House,
debating this bill in the late night hours, because we realize that
those who will be most hurt by the passage of this legislation are
clearly going to be the women who are most dependent on Social
Security. I used this picture just a few hours ago, it seems like a day
ago, because a picture is worth a thousand words or more. I wish it was
worth thousands upon thousands of dollars. I wish we could hand out
pictures and all of a sudden we get money. But it is important to note
that just a year ago we had a $5.6 trillion surplus and we had not
invaded the Social Security trust fund. Today, we stand here with $400
billion, just a drop in the budget, because our Republican friends have
imploded the surplus.
Today I spoke to Randy Rhodes, a talk show host in the great State of
Florida. She wanted me to mention that people across the Nation are
watching, and they remember in 1993 when not one single Republican
stood up and was counted in order to ensure that we have a budget that
we could pay our way and begin to build a surplus. Not one single
Republican voted. It was the Democrats who sacrificed their majority in
order to provide the quality of life for Americans.
Here we go again. In a situation where we thought we had an open
rule, where we had the opportunity to debate an issue such as raising
the debt ceiling, adding $750 billion more to our Social Security
credit card, as they now claim it to be; and yet we find that, one, we
do not have an open rule, and, two, we are going to hide the fact that
you are imploding and raising the debt ceiling. You are going to hide
the fact that you are raising it to $750 billion.
What does that do to the women who are impacted by Social Security?
First of all, we well know that women of low income, no matter what
racial background they come from, depend most on Social Security. We
know now that there are grandmothers who are raising children whose
sole support is Social Security. At age 65, African American women have
a life expectancy of 17 more years, one year longer than white men,
while Latina women on the average live to 87, which is longer than
either white women or men. In that instance, as it relates to minority
women, African American and Latina, Social Security is their main
support system, because they usually have had in the past low-wage
service and manufacturing jobs. They have had to rely on Social
Security.
Go to any one of our districts to our senior citizens homes and find
women and ask the question, Do you have enough to live on? Most will
say that I have my Social Security. And if I did not have that, I could
not pay rent, I could not pay the prescription drugs which I am
stretching for anyhow, I could not buy food.
So tonight what we are doing, and I understand we are going to get a
midnight rule that is going to shut all of us down, what we are going
to do is sneak out of here in the early morning, raise the debt ceiling
$750 billion, and tell those dependent women who depend on Social
Security, hey, take a flight, good night, and good-bye; we are using
your money tonight.
I would just add another picture. The reason why we do not have any
money is because the Republicans have decided to spend 42 percent of
any money that we would get on continuing to pay tax cuts to the rich.
In fact, we are looking to pay this money up until 2011.
So, Mr. Chairman, I think it is a shame and a sham that we are here
tonight doing this disservice to women
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who are dependent upon Social Security. Let us vote for the women of
America and save Social Security.
Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, as we prepare to celebrate Memorial Day and to honor
those who fought our Nation's past wars, as well as those who are, as
we speak, fighting the war on terrorism in Afghanistan and around the
world, we should be thanking these men and women for their courageous
service on behalf of our Nation by acting on their behalf; and the best
way to thank them is to pass this supplemental appropriations bill.
There are many reasons why we should pass this bill and send it to
the President for his signature quickly. First and foremost, we should
support this bill because it provides $7.8 billion for the Department
of Defense to pay for the costs of the war, including the salaries of
those who are serving, as well as the ongoing cost to train, equip, and
prepare them for battle, and to protect the 270,000 soldiers who are
serving abroad on this Memorial Day weekend as we debate this bill.
We should support this bill because it also provides $4.3 billion to
pay for the call-up of National Guard and Reserve personnel, the men
and women who have put their lives on hold to answer our Nation's call
to serve; and there are 85,000 of those on reserve that are now on
active duty.
We should also support this bill because it provides $500 million to
purchase high-priority munitions to replace those already used in this
war; to buy unmanned aerial vehicles, which have proved their value,
and to purchase equipment for our Special Forces on the ground in
Afghanistan and elsewhere. We should also support this bill because it
provides $93 million to replace Special Operations helicopters
destroyed during Operation Enduring Freedom. We should also support
this bill because it provides $1.5 billion for homeland defense and to
strengthen our Nation's intelligence-gathering efforts.
As someone who represents a district in a State that was directly
impacted by the tragic events of September 11, we should support this
bill because of the additional funding it provides to help rebuild New
York City. Members of Congress from New York and New Jersey have worked
together to provide our State governments with the necessary resources
to rebuild critical transportation and other infrastructure that was
destroyed in these attacks. As previous congressional actions have
tried to help, and they have, many families have lost loved ones.
Mr. Chairman, we should be standing on this floor tonight united in
support of our men and women in uniform, united in support of the war
on terrorism, united in our gratitude for those who have served our
Nation bravely in the past. Instead, we fight one another.
Let us remember why we are here. Let us pass this bill, let us give
each and every one of our men and women in uniform the tools they need
to fight and win our Nation's war.
Ms. LEE. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, tonight, it is almost 10 o'clock, and tonight we are
reminding our entire country that women in our country really do need
to know that by raising the debt ceiling, though sounding very
technical, that the debt limit provision in this emergency supplemental
appropriations bill will harm Social Security. By putting Social
Security at risk, we put women at risk.
This bill will have a devastating impact on women. There are already
enormous disparities in income between men and women. These disparities
will be much greater if we endanger Social Security. Women rely on
Social Security more heavily for a whole variety of economic and social
reasons. Poverty among women over 65 is twice as severe as among men in
the same age group. Women earn less than men and tend to live longer.
Women also lose an average of 14 years of earnings due to time out of
the workforce to raise children or to care for an ailing parent. Women
are also generally employed more part-time and have less opportunity to
save for retirement.
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Let me just briefly give some numbers to show how important Social
Security is for women.
For unmarried women over 65, including widows, Social Security
comprises 51 percent of their total income, a far higher proportion
than is true for married couples or men. Seventy-four percent of
unmarried elderly women depend on Social Security for at least one-half
of their income. Twenty-six percent of unmarried elderly women depend
on it as their only source of income.
As stark as these figures are for all women, they are even more
pronounced for African American women and Latinas, who are even more
dependent on Social Security because they face even greater economic
disadvantages throughout their lives.
Clearly, Social Security is the vital safety net for women. This
important program lifted 13 million seniors out of poverty last year,
and yet, the Republicans in Congress are depleting the Social Security
trust fund to pay for the increase in the debt that they are now
incurring. They spent the budget surplus by being irresponsible, and
now, after using up all of the funds in the Treasury, are really
stealing from Social Security and Medicare to pay for their reckless
spending. This is just downright wrong.
This is the same Republican leadership that really rammed through,
and I remember this very clearly last year, a very punitive bankruptcy
bill that will penalize hardworking people who fall into debt through
the loss of a job or an injury. That is an unexpected hardship. This
bill is not the result of unexpected hardship, it is the result of a $2
trillion tax cut for the rich.
We should not raid the Social Security trust fund to pay for a blank
check. It will bounce, with the notation ``insufficient funds.'' Women
have no way to scramble and make this check good, so they will suffer
even more in their golden years, after a lifetime of discrimination and
injustice. So our wives, mothers, sisters, grandmothers, daughters, and
granddaughters certainly will pay and will pay dearly if we pass this
bill tonight.
Mrs. JONES of Ohio. Mr. Chairman, will the gentlewoman yield?
Ms. LEE. I yield to the gentlewoman from Ohio.
Mrs. JONES of Ohio. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentlewoman from
California for yielding to me.
Mr. Chairman, there are a growing number of seniors who are raising
grandchildren with their Social Security income. That is a group that
we do not often talk about.
Just a couple of weeks ago in this House when we dealt with TANF and
welfare reform, these grandmothers and grandfathers raising their
grandchildren were left out of the process. There were no additional
dollars set forth to assist them in that effort.
That is why it is so difficult as we stand here to talk about this
piece of legislation that is before the House this evening, that we
would not consider that significant group of people who not only are
raising grandchildren, they are required to pay for prescription drugs.
Then, in addition to that, they may have to worry about where their
next check comes from.
A second group that is often not discussed when we talk about Social
Security are those who are beneficiaries of the Supplemental Security
Income, those who are disabled for one reason or another, who are often
left out of that process. I guarantee Members there are many women
involved.
Lastly, I would say that tonight, if we want to raise the debt
ceiling limit, let us step up and vote specifically for it and not
cloud it in this legislation.
Mrs. JO ANN DAVIS of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the
last word.
Mr. Chairman, normally I do not get up and say much about this, but I
sit here tonight and I hear all this about Social Security and how we
are raiding the trust fund. We are not doing that. We are trying to
scare our seniors. The seniors' Social Security money is going to be
there. We are not doing anything to take their money away from them.
This bill is about a war that is going on. This bill is about helping
our military men and women who are out there on the front lines right
now, and we are sitting here doing scare tactics, demagoguing. I am not
sure what we are doing on this floor tonight. I sit here and listen to
all of this, and I do not quite understand it.
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We are not raiding the Social Security trust fund, we are just trying
to help our men and women who are out there fighting for us. I just do
not understand why we are sitting here arguing like this about
something that is not happening. This is about giving the President and
giving our men and women in the military the dollars that they need to
fight our war on terrorism.
We are not taking dollars away from our seniors, and I think it is
shameful, absolutely shameful, that Members are trying to scare them.
Amendment Offered by Mr. Hinchey
Mr. HINCHEY. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
The Clerk read as follows:
Amendment offered by Mr. Hinchey:
In section 1404, strike subsection (b) and insert the
following:
(b) Reclassification of Certain New York Counties.--
(1) In general.--Notwithstanding any other provision of
law, effective for discharges occurring on or after October
1, 2002, and before October 1, 2005, for purposes of making
payments under subsection (d) of section 1886 of the Social
Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395ww) to hospitals in Orange,
Dutchess, and Ulster Counties, New York, such counties are
deemed to be located in the large urban area of New York, New
York.
(2) Rules.--The reclassifications made under paragraph (1)
shall be treated as a decision of the Medicare Geographic
Classification Review Board under paragraph (1) of such
section 1886(d).
Point of Order
Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order against the
amendment. It seeks to amend language previously agreed to. I ask for a
ruling from the Chair.
The CHAIRMAN. Does any Member wish to be heard on the point of order?
Mr. HINCHEY. I wish to be heard on the amendment, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. The Chair's question is, does any Member wish to be
heard on the point of order.
Mr. HINCHEY. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from New York (Mr. Hinchey) is recognized
to speak directly on the point of order.
Mr. HINCHEY. Mr. Chairman, this amendment that I am offering has to
do with section 1404, and it strikes subsection (b). Subsection (b) of
the legislation, the bill that is before us, deals with the counties of
Orange and Dutchess in New York.
This amendment deems that these two counties are eligible for
reimbursement under Medicare as if they were located in the
metropolitan area of New York City. The effect of the language in the
present bill would be to provide more funds to the hospitals in those
two counties, Orange and Dutchess, but it would do so at the expense of
hospitals in Putnam, in Westchester, in Rockland, and in the five
boroughs of New York City itself.
That would be a disservice to those counties adversely affected, so
the amendment that I am offering would provide that the hospitals
located in Orange, Dutchess, and Ulster counties would be deemed
eligible for Medicare reimbursements as if they were located in the
metropolitan area of New York City, but it will do so in a way that
does not adversely affect the reimbursement rates for the hospitals of
Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, or the five counties of the city of New
York.
So the amendment that I am offering is much fairer, much more
equitable, and does not disadvantage those counties that I have
mentioned.
Why do we need to do this? We need to have amendments like this
because of the fact that hospitals all across this country are
adversely affected by the budget that was passed by this Congress
earlier this year, and particularly by the tax cut which was put into
effect by this Congress early last year.
The effect of that $1.3 trillion tax cut not only has jeopardized our
Social Security system, but is making it clear that as we move forward
over the course of the next seven, eight, or nine years, more and more
money will be taken out of the Social Security trust fund as a result
of the tax cut which was forced through this House of Representatives
early last year by the majority party.
Not only will that happen, but also as a result of that tax cut, less
money is available for Medicare reimbursement. So not only have we
placed in jeopardy the Social Security of our senior citizens, but we
have also placed in jeopardy the health care of our senior citizens by
that tax cut, as well.
So we see clearly the adverse effects of the $1.3 trillion tax cut,
the majority of the benefits of which went to a tiny fraction of the
wealthiest people in the country. In order to provide that benefit for
the wealthiest people of this country, we are taking money out of the
Social Security trust fund and we are also taking money out of the
Medicare trust fund, so that our hospitals are disadvantaged in
providing health care, not only for senior citizens, but essentially
for everyone else who has recourse to use those hospitals.
So, Mr. Chairman, this amendment addresses the problem that has
befallen hospitals across this country, and particularly those that are
mentioned in the amendment, the adverse effect that has been visited
upon these hospitals as a result of the $1.3 trillion Republican tax
cut, the majority benefits of which went to the wealthiest people in
the country.
This amendment does so, helps those hospitals in those counties,
without taking money from the hospitals in the adjacent counties of
Putnam, Westchester, and Rockland and the five boroughs of New York
City, as is done by the language in the bill that is before us. That is
why this amendment is a great improvement over the language that exists
in the instant bill.
The CHAIRMAN. If no other Member wishes to be heard on the point of
order, the Chair is ready to rule.
As indicated in the ruling on the amendment offered by the gentleman
from Missouri (Mr. Gephardt) earlier today, the amendment proposes to
change text previously inserted by amendment adopted pursuant to H.
Res. 428, so the point of order is sustained. The amendment is not in
order.
Mr. HINCHEY. Mr. Chairman, I did not hear the ruling of the Chair.
The CHAIRMAN. The point of order by the gentleman from Alabama (Mr.
Callahan) was sustained and the amendment is not in order.
Mr. HINCHEY. Mr. Chairman, I move to appeal the ruling of the Chair.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is, Shall the decision of the Chair stand
as the judgment of the Committee?
The decision of the Chair stands as the judgment of the Committee.
Sequential Votes Postponed in Committee of the Whole
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, proceedings will
now resume on those amendments on which further proceedings were
postponed, in the following order: the amendment offered by the
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey); another amendment offered by the
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey); and amendment No. 2 offered by the
gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. McGovern).
The Chair will reduce to 5 minutes the time for any electronic vote
after the first vote in this series.
Amendment Offered by Mr. Obey
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) on
which further proceedings were postponed and on which the ayes
prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The Clerk designated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 199,
noes 213, not voting 23, as follows:
[Roll No. 200]
AYES--199
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldacci
Baldwin
Barcia
Barrett
Becerra
Bentsen
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop
Blagojevich
Blumenauer
Borski
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carson (IN)
Carson (OK)
Clay
Clayton
Clement
Clyburn
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cramer
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Edwards
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Frank
Frost
Gephardt
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green (TX)
Hall (OH)
Hall (TX)
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hill
Hilliard
Hinchey
Hoeffel
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley
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Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
John
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind (WI)
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Lampson
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Luther
Maloney (CT)
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Mascara
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mink
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Phelps
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roemer
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sandlin
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott
Serrano
Sherman
Shows
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thurman
Tierney
Towns
Turner
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson (CA)
Watt (NC)
Waxman
Weiner
Wolf
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
NOES--213
Aderholt
Akin
Armey
Bachus
Baker
Ballenger
Barr
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bereuter
Biggert
Bilirakis
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Boozman
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Bryant
Burr
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Coble
Collins
Cooksey
Cox
Crane
Crenshaw
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal
DeLay
DeMint
Diaz-Balart
Doolittle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Emerson
English
Everett
Ferguson
Flake
Fletcher
Foley
Forbes
Fossella
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goode
Goodlatte
Goss
Graham
Graves
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Grucci
Gutknecht
Hansen
Hart
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Herger
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kerns
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
LoBiondo
Lucas (OK)
Manzullo
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McKeon
Mica
Miller, Dan
Miller, Gary
Miller, Jeff
Moran (KS)
Morella
Myrick
Nethercutt
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nussle
Osborne
Ose
Otter
Oxley
Paul
Pence
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Portman
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Saxton
Schaffer
Schrock
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skeen
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stearns
Stump
Sullivan
Sununu
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tauzin
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thornberry
Thune
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Toomey
Upton
Walden
Walsh
Wamp
Watkins (OK)
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOT VOTING--23
Bonior
Burton
Combest
Condit
Crowley
Deutsch
Granger
Gutierrez
Hinojosa
Langevin
Linder
Lipinski
Lynch
McIntyre
Radanovich
Reynolds
Riley
Roukema
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Traficant
Vitter
Wexler
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Mr. BRADY of Texas and Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota changed their vote
from ``aye'' to ``no.''
Mr. GREEN of Texas and Mr. MENENDEZ changed their vote from ``no'' to
``aye.''
So the amendment was rejected.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
Announcement by the Chairman
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, the Chair announces
that he will reduce to a minimum of 5 minutes the period of time within
which a vote by electronic device will be taken on each additional
amendment on which the Chair has postponed further proceedings.
Amendment Offered by Mr. Obey
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) on
which further proceedings were postponed and on which the ayes
prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will designate the amendment.
The Clerk designated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The CHAIRMAN. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 197,
noes 216, not voting 22, as follows:
[Roll No. 201]
AYES--197
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldacci
Baldwin
Barcia
Barrett
Becerra
Bentsen
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop
Blagojevich
Blumenauer
Borski
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carson (IN)
Carson (OK)
Clay
Clayton
Clement
Clyburn
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cramer
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Edwards
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Frank
Frost
Gephardt
Gonzalez
Green (TX)
Hall (OH)
Hall (TX)
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hill
Hilliard
Hinchey
Hoeffel
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
John
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind (WI)
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Lampson
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Luther
Maloney (CT)
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Mascara
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mink
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Phelps
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roemer
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sandlin
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott
Serrano
Sherman
Shows
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thurman
Tierney
Towns
Turner
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson (CA)
Watt (NC)
Waxman
Weiner
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
NOES--216
Aderholt
Akin
Armey
Bachus
Baker
Ballenger
Barr
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bereuter
Biggert
Bilirakis
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Boozman
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Bryant
Burr
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Coble
Collins
Cooksey
Cox
Crane
Crenshaw
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal
DeLay
DeMint
Diaz-Balart
Doolittle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Emerson
English
Everett
Ferguson
Flake
Fletcher
Foley
Forbes
Fossella
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Goss
Graham
Graves
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Grucci
Gutknecht
Hansen
Hart
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Herger
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Isakson
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kerns
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
LoBiondo
Lucas (OK)
Manzullo
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McKeon
Mica
Miller, Dan
Miller, Gary
Miller, Jeff
Moran (KS)
Morella
Myrick
Nethercutt
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nussle
Osborne
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Ose
Otter
Oxley
Paul
Pence
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Pombo
Portman
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Reynolds
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Saxton
Schaffer
Schrock
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skeen
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stearns
Stump
Sullivan
Sununu
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tauzin
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thornberry
Thune
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Toomey
Upton
Walden
Walsh
Wamp
Watkins (OK)
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOT VOTING--22
Bonior
Burton
Combest
Condit
Crowley
Deutsch
Granger
Gutierrez
Hinojosa
Langevin
Linder
Lipinski
Lynch
McIntyre
Radanovich
Riley
Roukema
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Traficant
Vitter
Wexler
{time} 2248
Mr. LANTOS changed his vote from ``no'' to ``aye.''
So the amendment was rejected.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
Amendment No. 2 Offered by Mr. McGovern
The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr.
McGovern) on which further proceedings were postponed and on which the
noes prevailed by voice vote.
The Clerk will redesignate the amendment.
The Clerk redesignated the amendment.
Recorded Vote
The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The CHAIRMAN. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 192,
noes 225, not voting 18, as follows:
[Roll No. 202]
AYES--192
Abercrombie
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldacci
Baldwin
Barrett
Becerra
Bentsen
Berman
Berry
Bishop
Blagojevich
Blumenauer
Borski
Boswell
Boucher
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carson (IN)
Clay
Clayton
Clyburn
Conyers
Coyne
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Ehlers
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Fattah
Filner
Flake
Ford
Frost
Gephardt
Gonzalez
Goode
Gordon
Green (TX)
Gutknecht
Hall (OH)
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hoeffel
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hostettler
Hoyer
Hulshof
Inslee
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (NC)
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind (WI)
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Lampson
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Leach
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren
Lynch
Maloney (CT)
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Mascara
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mink
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (KS)
Moran (VA)
Morella
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Olver
Ortiz
Otter
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Petri
Pitts
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roemer
Rohrabacher
Ross
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sandlin
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Sherman
Shows
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (MI)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Spratt
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Taylor (MS)
Thune
Thurman
Tierney
Toomey
Towns
Turner
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson (CA)
Watt (NC)
Waxman
Weiner
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
NOES--225
Ackerman
Aderholt
Akin
Armey
Bachus
Baker
Ballenger
Barcia
Barr
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bereuter
Berkley
Biggert
Bilirakis
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Boozman
Boyd
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Bryant
Burr
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Carson (OK)
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Clement
Coble
Collins
Cooksey
Costello
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crenshaw
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis (FL)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal
DeLay
DeMint
Diaz-Balart
Dooley
Doolittle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Edwards
Ehrlich
Emerson
English
Everett
Farr
Ferguson
Fletcher
Foley
Forbes
Fossella
Frank
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goodlatte
Goss
Graham
Graves
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Grucci
Hall (TX)
Hansen
Hart
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Herger
Hilleary
Hilliard
Hobson
Horn
Houghton
Hunter
Hyde
Isakson
Israel
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
John
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kerns
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Lantos
Latham
LaTourette
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
LoBiondo
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lucas (OK)
Luther
Manzullo
McCarthy (NY)
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McKeon
Menendez
Mica
Miller, Dan
Miller, Gary
Miller, Jeff
Myrick
Nethercutt
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nussle
Obey
Osborne
Ose
Oxley
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Phelps
Pickering
Platts
Pombo
Portman
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Quinn
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Reynolds
Riley
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Ros-Lehtinen
Rothman
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Saxton
Schaffer
Schrock
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Skeen
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stearns
Stenholm
Stump
Sullivan
Sununu
Sweeney
Tancredo
Tauscher
Tauzin
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Upton
Walden
Walsh
Wamp
Watkins (OK)
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NOT VOTING--18
Bonior
Burton
Combest
Condit
Crowley
Deutsch
Granger
Gutierrez
Linder
Lipinski
McIntyre
Radanovich
Roukema
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Traficant
Vitter
Wexler
{time} 2301
Messrs. BERMAN, REYES and SAWYER changed their vote from ``no'' to
``aye.''
So the amendment was rejected.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
Mr. COSTELLO. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the amendment
offered by Mr. LaTourette and myself that seeks to strike $175 million
from the Office of Justice Programs--Justice Assistance and provide
those funds to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
Unfortunately, the Supplemental Appropriations bill provides $175
million for the Office of Justice Programs within the Department of
Justice and that inhibits FEMA's ability to consolidate terrorism
preparedness programs and properly administer the First Responder Grant
Program.
As we all know, in the past several years in response to various
terrorist attacks, the United States has increased its efforts to
address preparedness. Nationwide, training programs and response teams
were created to assist emergency responders prepare for future
terrorist attacks and natural disasters. Although all of the efforts
were well intentioned, by 2001, more than 40 different federal agencies
were offering over 90 training programs and over 100 response teams
were created, which resulted in overlap and duplication of services and
resources.
For the past seven years, our Committee has held numerous hearings
that have come to the same conclusion as many independent groups,
including GAO, the Rand and Gilmore Commission; we must consolidate our
terrorism preparedness programs to avoid duplication and overlap to
programs. By doing this, we will be better utilize the nation's
financial resources. The Administration came to the same conclusion and
proposed centralizing ``first responder'' preparedness responsibilities
within the Federal Emergency Management Agency's (FEMA) Office of
National Preparedness, and the development of a ``First Responder Grant
Program.
At our hearing on the First Responders program in April 2002, FEMA
provided detailed testimony outlining the Office of National
Preparedness. The Department of Justice even voiced their support for
the new office and stated on the record that Justice, ``is doing
everything possible to make this transition smooth, seamless, and
effective.''
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Currently, this bill does not provide FEMA any of the
Administration's requested $175 million for first responder grants
necessary for effective preparedness in the event of a terrorist attack
using a weapon of mass destruction. Not providing FEMA the money
they've requested diminishes efforts to coordinate and properly train
first responders. In addition, not providing FEMA the amount requested
by the Administration in the Supplemental Appropriations bill hampers
FEMA's ability to effectively implement the Administration's FY 2003
budget request for first responders.
I urge my colleagues to support this amendment to restore funding for
FEMA's First Responder Grant Program. By supporting this amendment you
support our efforts to better coordinate federal programs that will
help our emergency responders prepare to aid our nation in the event of
a terrorist attack.
Mr. KLECZKA. Mr. Chairman, as sure as swallows returning to
Capistrano, it seems like every year Congress considers a supplemental
spending bill to fatten all the other appropriations bills we pass
year. This is just a way to spend more than we said we would in the
first place.
While I know there are many fine things the $29 billion in this bill
could buy, I have to wonder why these programs can't wait until the
regular appropriations process, which is just about to begin. After
all, we are already more than halfway through this fiscal year with
just four months left to go before Fiscal Year 2003 arrives.
In truth, there are many provisions in this bill which are not really
the result of an emergency and do not require ``emergency spending.''
What is really going on, is that, as in previous supplemental
appropriations bills, this one will allow Congress to circumvent the
very spending caps it has set. In a wave of the magic wand, the $29
billion contained in this bill will not count against those spending
limitations. And therefore it will allow certain programs and
departments to bulk up now so that there will be less pressure this
summer for budget-busting increases in the regular appropriations
bills.
Along with all the extra spending in this bill, there are unrelated
measures that have been thrown in. This legislation will be used to
raise the federal debt limit. With the federal debt nearing its
ceiling, the Administration has asked Congress to raise the limit, but
no bill has come to the House floor for consideration. We should have
an open debate on the need to raise the debt limit, already at nearly
$6 trillion.
Also included in the supplemental spending bill is a rider changing
how several counties in Pennsylvania are treated for the purpose of
making Medicare payments to hospitals, and another that adds rural
Orange and Dutchess counties in the urban area designation of New York
City for the purpose of Medicare payments. The bill contains a trade
measure requiring that knit and woven fabrics be dyed and finished in
the U.S. in order to qualify for duty-free treatment under the African
and Caribbean Trade Act. And this legislation allows the U.S. Postal
Service to continue to use the bypass mail system in Alaska. Clearly,
these are not emergencies.
We have criticized Enron and Arthur Andersen for using budget tricks
to cook the books. We shouldn't pull the same sleight of hand on the
taxpayers while throwing in unrelated policy riders. I ask my
colleagues to join me and vote against this $29 billion supplemental
appropriations bill.
Ms. WOOLSEY. Mr. Chairman, if the GOP leadership is so sure that
their supplementary appropriations bill promotes fiscal responsibility,
why are they resorting to sneaky tactics such as the ones what we've
seen in this bill?
How many times does the majority have to be called on their false
promises to protect Social Security?
What kind of fools do they take the people of this country to be?
When are they going to level with the American public?
We're here arguing about raising the debt ceiling because at this
time last year, the Republican leadership and the administration passed
a $1.3 trillion tax cut.
The irresponsible nature of that tax cut is made evident by the very
fact that we have to raise the debt limit.
And once again, the Republican leadership is pushing for measures
that jeopardize the future of the Social Security trust fund.
We've already borrowed from the Social Security trust fund to give
the ``Bill Gates of the world'' a couple extra tax cuts and now we're
going to borrow from the trust fund again to finance other programs.
Escalating public debt mortgages away our Social Security trust fund
so why wouldn't we question the leadership's less than honest attempts
to raise the debt ceiling.
Preserving the Social Security trust fund is not a new idea. At one
time we had Republicans and Democrats alike pledging to keep the trust
fund off limits. But when it comes down to it, the GOP leadership is
not serious about ensuring basic retirement security for American
workers.
The Republican's raid on Social Security has particular impact on the
future of women. Women truly are the face of Social Security. Today,
sixty percent of all Social Security recipients are women. Of
recipients over age 85, nearly three-quarters are women.
Most of these women rely on Social Security for nearly 90% of their
income. While they tend to live longer than men, women have fewer
alternatives, fewer assets. Without Social Security's guaranteed,
lifetime, inflation-protected benefits, over half of all elderly women
would be poor.
After a lifetime of work, women often find themselves in dire
economic straits during what is supposed to be their golden years.
The year is 2002, but women are still earning less than their male
counterparts and are the ones expected to leave the workforce so that
their children, and elder family members, are taken care of. This being
the case, their Social Security benefits are extremely valuable to the
quality of their retirement.
Fortunately, the current progressive system does not penalize women
for these patterns of work wages and family obligations.
Social Security is structured to help those women with lower lifetime
earnings and/or those who have taken time off to care for children.
In order for our daughters and our granddaughters to count on the
Social Security benefits as we have come to know them to be, we must
back up our pledges to save Social Security with legislative action
that does not spend the trust fund.
With the large ``Baby Boom generation'' getting closer to retirement
and their children right behind, it's imperative that we reverse this
downward spiral of deficit spending and exercise smart fiscal policy
today.
It's time to have an honest debate about where our economy stands and
how best to shore up the future of important domestic programs like
Social Security.
Mr. Chairman, how this Congress spends our Federal funds says a lot
about who we are as a nation--who we are as a people.
Make no mistake, we support the funding necessary to protect our
country, but it take more than a strong military to keep this country
secure--our people must be strong too. That means we must invest in our
children's future; preserve retirement benefits for our seniors and
help working families.
Yet, the Republican leadership is asking us to support a supplemental
appropriations bill that threatens all of these vital needs--now and
far into the future. Talk about Teddy--the Republican plan will raise
our Nation's debt ceiling and increase our children's debt. It means
the Social Security trust fund will be raided, and domestic spending
will be cut to make up the difference. That's just plain wrong!
It's time that my colleagues across the aisle look at the whole
picture. National security isn't only about fighting the war on
terrorism. It's also about fighting for our children's future. And,
leaving them more debt is no way to make them strong.
Yet, with one narrow phrase in the supplemental bill, Republicans are
laying the groundwork to endanger our children's future by raising the
debt ceiling.
Even worse, we don't know by how much the GOP leadership plans to
raise the ceiling.
The debt ceiling now stands at $5.95 trillion. With a U.S. population
of 281 million, the debt works out to an average of $21,200 for every
man, woman and child. The question is: After they're finished, how much
will that amount increase?
Reports indicate Secretary O'Neill wants to increase it by $750
billion, making the debt ceiling more than $6.7 billion. This increases
each person's portion to $24,000.
But as far as we know, the House Republicans may be scheming for a
debt ceiling that would make it $30,000, $40,000, who knows! All so
that they can cover the cost of enacting last spring's fiscally
irresponsible tax cut for the Nation's top 2%.
Isn't increasing the debt limit raising taxes but this time on our
children and our grandchildren?
It's time for Congress to stop dancing around this issue, and bring
the decision to increase the debt limit--for a defined amount into the
light--to an open vote. Then we'd know who wants to take care of our
children.
Ms. WATERS. Mr. Chairman, today we spent much of the day talking
about raising the debt limit. I think for most Americans, much of this
debate, was difficult to follow because it focused on House procedure.
What I would like to do is try to explain why this debate will have a
negative effect on Social Security.
Currently, the Federal government does not have enough money to run
its day to day operations. There are many reasons for this, including:
a decline in the economy, a reduced tax revenue, the burst of the stock
market bubble, and the President's $1.7 trillion tax cut from last
year.
In order to meet its obligations, the government borrows money. Much
of the borrowing
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comes from the Social Security and Medicare trust funds, since it
currently takes in more money than it pays out in benefits. So the
government writes an ``IOU'' for the trust fund and uses the money to
pay for its operations.
Currently, this is not a big deal. However, beginning in 2017, Social
Security will pay out more than it takes in. In 2041, the trust funds'
reserves are exhausted--in other words there is no more money to pay
full benefits. The money the Federal government takes in will only pay
for 73 percent of benefits.
Now here is where the debt ceiling comes in to play. The Federal
government will need to borrow money so that it can continue paying for
the Nation's defense, improvements to the roads, improved schools and
teachers and many other things. It will also have to borrow to allow
the government to continue paying full benefits for Social Security
recipients.
The debt ceiling limits the amount of money the Federal government
can borrow. If we raise the ceiling today, we will have to pay off a
larger debt, we will have to pay more in interest, we will have to use
more of the trust fund to finance the day-to-day operations of the
government.
This makes it nearly impossible to address the needs of Social
Security that millions of people depend on.
If we do not address Social Security, women will be particularly
affected.
Sixty percent of all Social Security recipients are women. And
without Social Security, over half of all elderly women would be poor.
Nearly two-thirds of all women 65 and older get half or more of their
income from Social Security. Nearly one-third of those receive 90
percent or more of their income from Social Security.
On average, women spend about 14 fewer years in the workforce than
men because of pregnancies and raising children. Therefore, our
pensions tend to be smaller. But Social Security's spousal benefits
protect us, ensuring that we have enough to get through retirement.
Social Security's progressive benefit formula provides women, and
others, with benefits that are a higher percentage of their earnings.
So despite a lifetime of lower earnings--on average, women earn 73
cents for every dollar that men earn--we will have adequate income for
retirement and will live at a comfortable level.
And, since women generally live 6 to 8 years longer than men, we need
to receive benefits for a longer period of time.
Under the Social Security's benefit formula, women will receive
benefits for as long as they live. We do not need to worry about out-
living our personal savings, which is a huge comfort for many us.
In short, Social Security is a vitally important program. It allows
millions to retire in dignity and comfort.
Raising the debt ceiling makes it harder for the Federal government
to meet its obligations.
We are, in effect, asking that our children and grandchildren
increase their taxes, cut benefits and raise the retirement age for
millions of potential beneficiaries so that we can avoid taking
responsibility.
It is just plain unfair.
Mr. PHELPS. Mr. Chairman, I am offering this amendment today on
behalf of the hospitals throughout Central and Southern Illinois.
Section 1404 of this bill would fix the Medicare funding problem for a
few rural hospitals in Pennsylvania and New York, while the rest of the
rural hospitals across America will continue to struggle including
those in my district and all of downstate Illinois. It is unfortunate
this area of concern is somewhat technical and complicated.
The area wage index is a scale used to adjust Medicare inpatient and
outpatient payments to account for varying wage rates paid by hospitals
for workers in different market areas across the country. Hospitals in
areas with a higher wage index value receive higher Medicare
prospective payments than hospitals in areas with a lower wage index
value. An area wage index value is calculated for each metropolitan
statistical area and rural area in each state. The rule that I opposed
today places my hospitals at risk.
Many hospitals, especially those in rural areas, feel that their MSA
does not coincide with their actual labor market area. Hospitals in
metropolitan areas can afford to offer higher wages directly competing
with rural hospitals for health care workers. Hospitals with a low wage
index often times cannot afford to pay for the necessary labor in order
to ensure quality care for their patients. However, Medicare law does
allow hospitals to be reclassified from one MSA to another.
I support Mr. Baldacci's amendment to strike Section 1404 of this
bill, however, since that is not an option I feel that it is only fair
for counties in rural Central and Southern Illinois to receive the same
reclassification opportunity as those counties in New York and
Pennsylvania. It is absolutely unacceptable to give preferential
treatment to a few hospitals without considering the needs of all rural
hospitals across America.
I do not have a problem with hospitals receiving a higher base
payment rate. However, I do have a problem with this issue being stuck
in this appropriations bill in this unfair manner. We need to look out
for all of our citizens best interests, not just the interests of a
select few.
Mr. Chairman, I know this is going to be ruled out of order. I am
very disappointed in the outlandish process today. It reminds me of the
Executive Sessions back door Open Meeting Act.
My father of 81 years of age is just recovering from a heart attack.
If it were not for a small hospital in my home town, he possibly would
not still be with us tonight. We need help just like any other place in
the nation--urban or otherwise.
Ms. LOFGREN. Mr. Chairman, remember when Republicans told us we had
so much money in the treasury that we would run out of debt to redeem?
When their majority leader was worried about a surplus of the surplus?
And when our President told us there was plenty of money--enough to
protect our country, leave Social Security untouched and still give a
huge tax break to top income earners?
It wasn't very long ago that we heard such things, but that isn't
what we face now.
We have a war, we have a recession and we have a tax cut. We need to
pay for the war, work our way through the recession and take another
look at the tax cut. It's just crazy to continue along as if nothing
has happened with the budgeted tax cuts for top income earners that
were adopted on the premise that we would have surpluses. We need to
get together and take another stab at that plan-now that we know the
surpluses are gone--to see whether we can manage all three: war,
recession and tax cut. One thing we know is that we have to pay for the
war efforts.
Where I come from we have a saying: When you find yourself in a hole,
the first thing to do is stop digging.
I think this bill may be an attempt to use the war as cover: to pass
a provision to allow the federal government to borrow billions of
dollars from the Social Security trust fund. This is necessary not
because of the war, but because of the earlier tax cuts. Where I come
from most people tell me that they don't think it makes sense to borrow
money from Social Security to fund that tax cut.
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities has conducted an analysis.
What they found is this: the period for measuring solvency in the
Social Security system is 75 years. Over that period the projected
revenue loss for the tax cut will be $5 trillion larger than the entire
Social Security short-fall.
That, in the end, is why the debt ceiling needs to be raised and why,
I believe, Republicans who said so recently ``not to worry'' don't want
to have a recorded vote to borrow money.
America must be militarily strong to face the military challenge. Yet
we must also acknowledge we cannot be militarily strong if we allow
ourselves to become economically weak.
The people who send us here expect us to be honest with them, in
times of war and peace but especially in war. My Democratic colleagues
and I are insisting that we level with the American people and we'll
continue to oppose this effort to drive America back into deficit
spending and diverting the Social Security trust fund.
I've heard some of the older members in the Republican party defend
their raid by saying that Democrats did it when they were in charge.
Well, I have served in this House since 1995 and have only served in
the minority. I served for 14 years in local government where our
budgets had to balance each year. When I got here, we agreed--both
Democrats and Republicans--that we would balance the budget and create
a Social Security ``lock box''. That's been approved many times by
nearly unanimous votes. It is pathetic to hear now that Republicans
want to reject that pact we made with each other for the benefit of our
country.
Yes, we are in a hole. We will need to raise the debt ceiling until
we figure out how to stop digging, perhaps by freezing taxes. I think
we should raise the ceiling for 60 days. That would give us time to
meet--and get a plan to stop digging the hole. Let's vote the money for
the war effort that both Democrats and Republicans supported in the
Appropriations Committee, take out the riders that deal with things
that have nothing to do with the war and have a separate vote to raise
the debt ceiling 60 days. Let's take those 60 days, have a budget
summit and get our fiscal act together.
Fighting the war and supporting our troops is something we all agree
on. I would hope that we could also agreed that it doesn't make a whole
lot of sense to borrow money from Social Security to fund a tax break
for the most affluent--a reverse Robin Hood move that takes from the
least wealthy to give to the most wealthy.
We need to fund the war, but we don't need to wipe out Social
Security to do it. And let's
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remember that our soldiers and sailors have parents and grandparents
too--people who need to count on Social Security being there in their
old age.
Ms. DELAURO. Mr. Chairman, last night the Rules Committee amended
Section 1404 of this bill to reclassify the location of hospitals for
purposes of Medicare Reimbursements. But the Republican Leadership has
crafted a rule that allows only certain counties in Pennsylvania and
New York to receive adequate reimbursement in this amendment.
Unfortunately the current system for determining the wage index for
medicare reimbursement rates for hospitals places some hospitals at a
disadvantage. These hospitals may have similar labor costs to nearby
hospitals. But because of the geographic classification and the nature
of the reclassification system, certain hospitals have an advantage
because they receive a higher level of reimbursement for wages and
salaries.
There is no question that the hospitals located in the counties
mentioned in this bill deserve to be reclassified so that they can
receive a fair rate of reimbursement. The inadequate reimbursement rate
is one reason why we constantly hear about hospitals going broke.
However, hospitals in my district deserve the same consideration. For
this reason I offer this amendment with my colleague from Connecticut,
Congressman Shays, that would reclassify hospitals in New Haven and
Fairfield Counties so that they could qualify for the wage index that
is used for nearby New York Metropolitan Statistical Area.
I know there are hospitals in the Chairman's District and also in my
colleague across the aisle's district that would like this same
consideration. Congressman Visclosky spoke earlier this evening on how
hospitals in his district were not included in these selective
reclassification provisions even though he had contacted the Ways and
Means Committee about this very problem. In fact, there is a list of
members who have hospitals that should be eligible for geographic
reclassification. Every one of those members could make a valid
argument as to why their hospital is the one that should be taken care
of in this bill.
This language is not budget neutral language. The amendments that the
Rules Committee has allowed to be included will cost tens of millions
of dollars--dollars that come at the expense of other hospitals across
the nation.
Accordingly to preliminary estimates by the Congressional Budget
Office, the geographic reclassification of hospitals in these
Pennsylvania counties will cost approximately $34 to $35 million.
The New York Hospital Association predicts the change for certain New
York hospitals could cost some where in the range of $34 to $40
million.
So again I ask, why are those counties getting special treatment? Why
are certain hospitals in Pennsylvania and New York going to receive
help in obtaining more equitable reimbursement for their services and
not those in New Haven and Bridgeport, CT?
Hospitals in my district--and in many of my colleagues' districts--
need and deserve the same treatment. Mr. Chairman, we should not
selectively address the reclassification issue. We need to consider
this issue in a fair and comprehensive bill.
Amendment to H.R. 4775, as Reported
Offered by Ms. DeLauro of Connecticut
Page 110, after line 20, insert the following:
treatment of a certain new england county metropolitan area for
purposes of reimbursement under the medicare program
Sec. __. Notwithstanding any other provision of law,
effective for discharges occurring on or after October 1,
2002, for purposes of making payments under section 1886(d)
of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395ww(d)) to hospitals
located in the New Haven-Bridgeport-Stamford-Waterbury-
Danbury, Connecticut New England County Metropolitan Area,
such hospitals are deemed to be located in the New York, New
York, Metropolitan Statistical Area.
Mrs. CAPPS. Mr. Chairman, I want to state once again what the
controversy engaging us is about. From this member's perspective--it is
not whether or not we should pass the Emergency Supplemental bill to
help fund the war on terrorism. There is no debate about that; we all
agree that we need to get this emergency money to the President to
support our troops and beef up homeland security.
Each Member of this House wants to ensure that our men and women in
uniform have all the tools and resources they need to win the war
against global terrorism. If the debate were simply about whether to
provide those resources, we would pass the bill rather quickly.
What is at issue here are the little--and the not so little--
provisions attached to this bill.
First and foremost is the majority party's attempt to slip a $750
billion increase in the National Debt through the House with no debate,
no vote. I just can't go along with that.
Earlier today my colleague from Utah, Jim Matheson, made a speech on
the floor that particularly struck me. He said that a major problem
with this clandestine move to rise the National Debt was the lack of
``a plan'' on how to regain some fiscal responsibility around this
place. I couldn't agree more.
We have to get our fiscal house in order here in Washington. We have
to have a plan. But the only plan I see is ``Let's keep borrowing
against our children's future.''
We all come here representing different areas of the country. Often
that leads us to having different priorities. But our job here is to
find common ground to best represent the country as a whole. That
requires that we work together--in a bipartisan way--to craft a
fiscally disciplined budget for our country, just as a responsible
family, or business does. It means making choices and prioritizing. It
means being straight with the American people about what we can afford
and what we can't.
I stand here as a Democrat who votes for the tax cut last year. I
supported the effort to put more money back into people's pockets, to
end the burden of the estate tax. But by making this choice, I knew
that this would mean making other tough choices. Because you can't have
everything.
So, for example, even though I represent a rural district, I voted
against the $200 billion Farm Bill. Among other problems, I believed it
cost too much. Now, some of my colleagues may disagree with both votes.
They may have wanted more farm spending or less tax reduction. But the
issue for the House as a whole is whether or not we have a plan for
balancing these competing priorities. Do we have a schedule to bring
back some fiscal sanity? Or are we just going to return to the old ways
of endless borrowing against our children's future? Judging by what the
majority wants to do with this debt ceiling increase--no plan, just
keep borrowing--I would guess it is the latter. Mr. Chairman, that's
just wrong.
If we are going to put the American people in debt by up to $750
billion let's be straight about it. Let's tell them what we are doing
and why. Let's have a vote on it. Let's be held responsible for the
choices we make. Let's not hide behind legislative trickery to cover
our tracks.
I am also concerned by another provision slipped into the rule. It
will provide a band-aid to a few hospitals in Pennsylvania and upstate
New York--without any sort of hearings or Committee consideration. And
how are we doing this? We are cutting funds to hospitals across the
Nation.
Mr. Chairman, seniors in my district in California are clamoring for
help. They are seeing their health care system dissolve before their
eyes. And this Congress is using band aids to stop hemorrhaging in a
couple of districts for political reasons. You don't have to be a nurse
to see that that won't work.
In my district there is a health care crisis partly caused by
Medicare. Many doctors in communities are refusing to see new patients
and choosing early retirement because their Medicare rates have been
cut. Medicare HMOs are cutting benefits, increasing cost sharing for
seniors, and pulling out altogether because the Medicare Choice rates
are still stagnant. Long Term Care facilities are already struggling to
make ends meet and to provide quality care to our parents,
grandparents, and great grandparents. And now they are facing a 17% cut
in their funds from Medicare.
Clinics and other Medicaid providers are facing terrible cuts because
many States can no longer afford to support them. And hospitals in my
district are flirting with bankruptcy and disaster because Medicare is
scheduled to cut their funds, they cannot find doctors, and the
Medicare HMOs cannot, or will not, pay them enough.
Just today, the largest clinic in Santa Maria, California--Sansum
Clinic--announced it would be closing its doors this summer. This
closure will affect thousands of Santa Marians and have a devastating
effect on health care delivery in the area. And to top this all off
seniors still do not have prescription drug coverage.
This Congress needs to address the crisis in health care--and not
just in the two counties that the House leadership wants to favor.
I would urge the House leadership to pull this bill and bring down
the emergency supplemental that the Committee reported. Let's support
our troops and leave the legislative maneuvering for another day.
Mr. HONDA. Mr. Chairman, Thomas Jefferson once said: ``The whole art
of government consists of being honest.'' I've come here to speak today
about transparency in government.
The Republican leadership is attempting to increase the amount the
Federal Government can borrow--not through a direct, democratic vote--
but by quietly slipping it into the Supplemental Appropriations bill.
They're not specifying how much they want, they're not telling
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us how they plan to spend it, and most importantly, they're not telling
us how they plan to pay it back.
Why is telling the truth such a terrible thing to the Republicans?
Why is the Republican majority afraid of being open and honest with the
American people? I hope it's not about getting elections because this
is about being fiscally responsible.
Every Member in this body knows that an increase in the debt limit
has a monumental impact on our economy. However, under this Republican
procedure, there is no chance to debate or to offer alternatives to one
of the most important decisions made by this Congress.
The state of the economy affects the lives of all American families
and businesses, not just today, but especially in the future as Baby
Boomers begin to retire. We are in danger of placing an unnecessary
burden on present and future generations.
The Federal Government is in a deficit, and under a Republican
leadership, a $4 trillion surplus has disappeared in one year--the
largest fiscal reversal in our Nation's history.
Before approving a substantial increase in our borrowing authority we
must review our long-term budget policies.
As elected officials charged with the public trust we must not act
without a comprehensive plan. Just as we are clear with the goals of
the supplemental appropriations bill, we should also be clear with the
specific and transparent action on raising the debt limit. It should be
a separate and distinct action.
I've listened to a majority of this debate and all the Republicans
continue to say is ``Where's your budget?'' I sit on the budget
committee. I participated in those discussions. And I'm here asking,
Where is ``your'' budget? Where is your plan to restore us to balanced
spending? Where is your plan to protect social security and Medicare?
And where is your plan to protect the welfare of our children and
grandchildren?
In light of the dramatic reversal in our Nation's fiscal condition,
spurred in no small part by a reckless Republican tax cut, we should
not, as the Republicans are proposing today, blindly pile debt onto
future generations.
There is no doubt that this bill contains what we need to fight
terrorism. We all agree that some of this spending is necessary. But
let's pay for this war on terrorism without attaching extraneous
provisions. Never forget that undue patriotism is the last refuge of a
scoundrel. Waving the flag for the war on terrorism should not be an
excuse to cover mortgaging our future.
Supplemental appropriations bills are designed to be targeted
spending in emergencies, not wish lists for proposals that would
otherwise never stand the rigors of an open process.
Mr. Chairman, I stand on the floor today in full support of our
troops fighting terrorism here and abroad. However, we can be strong
militarily without becoming weak economically. We must take care of our
people at home. Social Security must be protected, and Medicare for our
seniors must be preserved.
It's simple math: The GOP tax cut + increase of the debt limit
without a plan = The 1-2 punch to bring us back to an era of
Reaganomics and deficit spending.
I heard that we are using the argument on Social Security and
prescription drugs to scare seniors. I say we are not scaring seniors.
I say that what the Republican want to do with our budget is scary.
We're just telling the American people they should be scared straight
by the tactics of the Republican leadership.
In Summary: It's time for the House Republicans to be straightforward
with the American people. I support an emergency supplemental bill, but
we should not use it to bury provisions that would otherwise not see
the light of day.
We need transparency within government and an honest and open
process.
We need to practice fiscal responsibility.
We must ensure our national security, but we cannot forget our
domestic responsibility.
Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I rise today to
decry Republican efforts to use parliamentary gimmickry to sneak
through a way to raise our Nation's debt ceiling.
We all know that the only reason that we are even discussing this
increase to the Nation's debt is that the Republican economic plan has
failed us. So now, the Republicans are refusing to face the music about
the consequences of their trillion-dollar tax cut for the wealthy.
The Majority doesn't seem to want to be held accountable--so they are
trying to bury this debt increase in our Nation's military supplemental
spending bill.
In other words, the Majority wants to run up this Nation's debt to
even greater heights without an open debate, and without an up-and-down
vote on this issue. Mr. Chairman, this is an outrage!
Now I can't say that I blame my Republican colleagues for wanting to
avoid this issue. In January 2001, the Congressional Budget Office was
projecting that our Nation's debt ceiling of $5.95 trillion would last
for the next six years or more.
Unfortunately, the Republican's economic plan--and its tax cut for
the wealthy--put us right back in an era of deficits. So here we are,
forced to borrow money to make our Nation's ends meet, and forced to
raise the Nation's debt limit again.
However, since my colleagues in the Republican party are trying to
avoid discussing what increasing the debt limit will actually mean for
America, I'm here to point out the consequences that this vote will
have on our Nation's Social Security program.
We have already squandered all of our surpluses, which means that all
of the funds from this debt limit increase will come directly from the
Social Security and Medicare trust funds.
The future of our Nation's most successful social program is in the
balance, and we must let the American people know that the Republican
leadership has put forth plans that could jeopardize the very system
that so many Americans rely on.
We all know that Social Security is a critical safety net for our
Nation's seniors. In my home state of Texas, one out of every ten
residents depends on Social Security to provide vital income for
themselves and their families. Nationwide, two-thirds of our seniors--
women and men--count Social Security benefits as the majority of their
income.
We all know that it is women who have the greatest benefit from
Social Security. We generally live longer, make less, and have smaller
pensions than men do. These benefits are particularly important to
women in Texas. Without these vital retirement benefits, 564,000 women
in the Lone Star State would fall below the poverty line.
For African American and Hispanic women especially, this program is
more than just retirement insurance. Women of color disproportionately
rely on this system for its disability and widow benefits. Social
Security is also a critical safety net that protects African American
children.
For all these reasons, I want to make sure that everyone knows just
how much is at stake for our community when we talk about keeping
Social Security strong.
Right now, there are proposals before the Congress to alter the
structure of Social Security. Yet, no one in the Republican leadership
seems to be willing to talk about these plans. Sound familiar? No one
on the other side of the aisle wants to talk about raising our Nation's
debt, either.
Well, we Democrats are not going to let Republicans keep our Nation
in the dark about this. We know that we must protect and strengthen
Social Security. We know that America can be strong militarily without
becoming weak economically. And we know that the American public
deserves open debate on the financial future of our Nation.
Mr. HOLDEN. Mr. Chairman, my amendment would add Schuylkill and
Northumberland Counties to the list of six Pennsylvania counties in
section 1404 that were arbitrarily moved to Newberg, NY-PA MSA
according to a self-enacting provision in the rule passed yesterday.
Section 1404 of this bill directs the Medicare Geographic
Classification Review Board to deem certain counties in Northeastern
Pennsylvania to be located in a more advantageous Metropolitan
Statistical Area for the purposes of computing reimbursement under the
Medicare program.
The two counties in my district are adjacent to the six counties
listed in Section 1404 and find themselves in similar economic
circumstances. My amendment would simply move the counties in my
Congressional District to a new MSA along with the six counties already
in the bill.
Mr. Chairman, if my amendment has the opportunity to be voted on, I
am confident it will pass, based on the success of the amendment
adopted earlier today in the rule.
I urge its adoption.
Mr. BALDACCI. Mr. Chairman, I rise to state my opposition to Section
1404 of this bill. While I had considered offering an amendment to
strike this provision, I recognize that such an amendment would be out
of order. Instead, I want to take this opportunity to state my deep
concern over the effects that this measure will have, with the hope
that this situation can be improved in the remainder of the legislative
process.
Mr. Chairman, this provision would assist a mere handful of hospitals
in a few geographic areas, at the expense of every other hospital in
the country. Mr. Speaker, we cannot afford to drain funding from any of
our nation's hospitals, especially as we debate a bill that is meant to
strengthen our ability to respond to medical emergencies that could
strike anywhere across the nation.
Mr. Chairman, hospitals in my State of Maine cannot afford any
further reimbursement cuts, no matter how small. My state already has
the 5th-lowest Medicare reimbursement rate in the country. Our
hospitals are operating on razor-thin margins. In a state as
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geographically large as Maine, we already struggle with access to
medical services. Further cuts will only exacerbate the problem.
This provision is a clear case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. In fact,
it's even worse because there are just a few select Pauls, and a
national full of Peters. Why should the vast majority of Members tell
their seniors that their access to care may be jeopardized by a gift to
a few select hospitals somewhere else? How can we effectively fight
AIDS and infectious diseases through increased spending in this bill,
when at the same time we weaken our hospitals? What sense does it make
to give money to speed our first response to attacks, while at the same
time taking funds from the hospitals who would be on the front line?
Mr. Chairman, I know all too well that the geographic adjustment
system for Medicare payment rates needs reform. My State of Maine is
among the most egregiously affected by the current system, and I would
be happy to work with any of my colleagues who wish to seek reform to
make reimbursement rates more equitable. I strongly support improved
reimbursement for all our nation's hospitals. However, this provision
in this bill only benefits a select few facilities, and will detract
from the ability of all others to meet their obligations to Medicare
beneficiaries.
Section 1404 is unfair, it's unjust, and it's just plain bad policy.
It certainly does not belong in an Emergency Supplemental. Since we
cannot remove this provision today, I am hopeful that we can fix the
problem in conference. This bill funds vital areas like defense,
security and health, and the final bill should not be marred by this
destructive measure.
Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD. Mr. Chairman, I do not in any way question the
patriotism of my Republican colleagues. Nor should they question mine.
And I most certainly have the greatest respect for Chairman Young who
worked with the minority and reported out of committee a bipartisan
bill that provides needed funding to support our military and our
Nation's fight against terrorism.
It is for this reason that I am absolutely baffled that my Republican
colleagues are allowing their leadership to muddy up this bill so
critical to the safety of our troops and our Nation's security.
It is unconscionable that the Republican leadership has made it
necessary to delay passage of this bill because of their addition of
ill-conceived and irresponsible provisions that have nothing to do with
supporting our troops or defending our country's security.
I therefore implore my Republican colleagues to insist that the
national interests of this country are put before the political
interests of their leadership.
Help us strip the bill of this underhanded attempt to burden
America's taxpayers and increase the national debt limit by 750 billion
dollars . . . which in effect is a 750 billion dollar overdraft of our
Nation's checking account.
What makes the actions of the Republican leadership even worse is
that we are already in deficit due to the earlier irresponsible
economic policies of the majority.
As a result, what the Republican leadership is doing tonight, under
the guise of national security, will come at the unnecessary expense of
our children's future and the destabilization of the social security
and medicare trust funds.
Many of my Republican colleagues have come to the floor and
challenged our patriotism for questioning and debating the extraneous
additions to this bill.
Such criticism is misplaced and quite offensive.
In fact, it is the Republican leadership that is turning their backs
on our military by making a sham of the very democracies and freedoms
our troops are fighting for and sacrificing their lives to protect.
Mr. Speaker, yesterday my respected colleague, Chairman Young, stated
that this war-time supplemental is a must-pass bill for the security of
our troops and our Nation.
I could not agree more.
Therefore I urge my Republican colleagues to put a stop to this ill-
conceived and divisive strategy to raise the debt limit and to do the
right thing by allowing us to pass a national security bill that
Democrats, Republicans, the President and the American people can
proudly support.
Mr. REYES. Mr. Chairman, I rise to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, as a Member of the House Armed Services Committee, the
Intelligence Committee, and the Veterans' Affairs Committee, as a
veteran, as a Democrat, as a citizen of this nation, I strongly support
the funding in this bill for fighting the war against terrorism and for
rebuilding New York. I strongly support the funding in this bill to
secure our borders. We all support these provisions. I applaud the
Appropriations Committee for putting together a bill that we can all
vote for and send to the President.
The Republican leadership decided to take a good bill and play
politics. The Republican leadership decided to take a bill that is
designed to fight a war, to keep our soldiers safe, to secure our
ports-of-entry, and decided to add provisions that they didn't want to
deal with and debate on their own merits.
The Republican leadership doesn't want the American people to know
that they are seeking to raise the debt limit, to add $750 billion to
our nation's credit card, without having a single member of this body
vote on raising the debt limit. They don't want the American people to
know that they need to raise this debt limit in part because of their
fiscally irresponsible tax cuts that mainly benefitted the wealthiest
in the country and ignored the needs of the working class.
If we are going to raise the debt limit by $750 billion, we owe it to
our constituents to let them know what we are doing and to have an
honest and full debate on this floor. Let's stand here and debate the
reasons we need to raise the debt limit. If we need to raise this debt
limit because we are at war, as the Republicans say, let's talk about
it and get all the facts out. I would welcome the opportunity to talk
about the fiscal policy of the Republican party that has put us in this
situation. Let's confront this issue instead of trying to sneak it into
a bipartisan emergency supplemental appropriations bill that we all
support.
Last night, the Speaker of the House said that if we voted against
this bill, we would be ``voting against our military'' and we would be
``voting against those people in New York.'' I say to the Speaker and
to my friends on the other side of the aisle that you are the ones who
made this ``war-time'' supplemental political. You are the ones
politicizing this issue. You should be ashamed of your actions to try
and fool the American people.
I am about to depart on a CODEL with a number of my colleagues to
visit our troops in Korea and Uzbekistan. I have visited troops in
Bosnia, in Germany, in Turkey, and in Afghanistan. I participate in
these CODELs so that I will never lose sight of what I am doing in
Congress and what those brave young men and women are doing for us each
day. This debate, these actions by the Republican leadership, make it
clear that too many people in this body have lost sight of what we are
supposed to do here. This bill should be about homeland defense, about
national security, about taking care of our troops who are spilling
their blood for us. Instead, this bill has become a political mess
because of the action of the Republican leadership. They should be
ashamed.
Mr. BACA. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. I'm a proud
American. We stand together in defense of our nation. I come to the
floor today in full support of our troops fighting terrorism here and
abroad. House Democrats are fully committed to winning the war on
terrorism and once again making America safe from harm.
Unfortunately, House Republicans are using the war to pass a
dangerous and cynical provision that allows the Federal Government to
break its own spending limit and take hundreds of billions of dollars
from the Social Security Trust Fund.
The war is not what we are arguing about today. What we object to is
the effort to use this supplemental spending bill to increase the
national debt and hide that increase with gimmicks and deception.
In short, Republicans spent all their money before they paid their
bills. Would you write a check before you put money in the bank. The
Republican budget used up 100 percent of the projected surplus. It left
no margin for error, and put us on a course to run up our debt.
Now the Republicans are trying to increase the debt without any
debate or vote. Most importantly, the increased debt would be paid for
from Social Security trust fund. Every dollar in additional debt
incurred is another dollar taken away from Social Security and
Medicare.
How is this increase in debt going to affect seniors, children, and
other Americans who depend on us to protect them. This is like taking
your families hard earned money to a gambling facility and hoping you
come away with enough to pay for your future.
Our friends on the other side of the aisle and the president need to
understand that we can defeat terrorism without destroying Social
Security. I am staunchly opposed to the Republicans' plan to raid
social security to pay for other programs that they didn't consider
when they passed their tax cut for corporations and the wealthy.
Members on the other side were very willing to stand up and take
credit when they passed the tax cut bill that put us in this mess. They
should be willing to stand up and be counted now that it has come time
to pay the bills by raising the debt limit.
I would like to see four things happen: First, I want a responsible,
honest, and bipartisan budget; second, I want to protect and strengthen
Social Security; I want to ensure that we meet our obligations today so
that our children are not burdened with debt, and; I want a budget
summit called so that we can begin to fix this fiscal nightmare that we
find ourselves in.
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Congress must work with the Administration to put the fiscal house
back together again. If American families ran their finances the way
the Republicans have run the nations, they'd be living in the dark and
taking showers in the rain.
America can be strong militarily without becoming weak economically.
Let's work toward achieving that goal.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. MALONEY of Connecticut. Mr. Chairman, this supplemental
appropriations bill contains funds urgently needed by our Armed
Services to fight the war on terrorism. I support this bill because I
believe that we must provide these much needed resources to our armed
services as promptly as possible. However, I take this opportunity to
address two important issues that should have further debate, and on
which the House should vote separately.
A year ago, budget projections were forecasting huge surpluses for
many years to come. Today, the federal budget is in deficit, and now
the majority wants to borrow more money without having a long-term plan
to get us out of the deficit. Whether you think we should raise the
debt limit or not, we should at the very least have a long-term budget
plan to eradicate the deficit. Without a plan, the majority seeks to
finance the deficit by raiding the Social Security and Medicare Trust
Funds, which places these funds at long-term great peril, and creates a
burden unfairly imposed upon our children and grandchildren.
It is especially disappointing that the House did not have any
opportunity to have an up-or-down vote on raising the debt limit.
Instead, parliamentary tricks were used to insert the provision in this
bill. It is my hope that the Senate will not let this type of gimmickry
stand. Both the House and Senate should vote directly on whether or not
to raise the debt limit.
There is a second objectionable provision in this bill: it contains
language that dramatically weakens the Endangered Species Act. Section
705 exempts the Department of Defense from complying with the
Endangered Species Act's requirements that off-base impacts of proposed
DoD decisions be considered. This language exempts DoD actions related
to off-base water consumption that threaten imperiled species or their
habitats. During debate on the 2003 Department of Defense Authorization
bill, I objected to similar environmental attacks in Committee and
joined Congressman Rahall in offering an amendment to strike these
exemptions for debate on the floor. A blanket environmental legislative
exemption to the Department of Defense is not needed. The Secretary of
Defense already has the ability to waive provisions of the Endangered
Species Act for national security purposes under section 7 of the
Endangered Species Act.
Mr. Chairman, while I vigorously support our Armed Services, I
reluctantly support this bill and hope that Senate will act quickly to
both provide our troops necessary resources to complete their mission,
and correct the clear deficiencies in the legislation before us today.
Ms. KILPATRICK. Mr. Chairman, I come to the floor today to voice my
support for our war against terrorism here and abroad. However, I stand
here today to also voice my strong concerns for our future economic
outlook and the outlook for the Social Security Trust Fund.
We have been talking about raising the debt limit to $750 billion
that puts us back on track to deficit spending. Instead of debating an
honest and clean war-time supplemental bill, we have a disingenuous
rule that extends into far reaching areas that poses to raise our debt
ceiling level. What is more worrisome is where this money will be
coming from--the Social Security Trust Fund.
In order to pay for other programs, the Republican path will force us
to raid the Social Security Trust Fund. This presents a bleak outlook
for the future of Social Security.
The movement of funds out of the Social Security Trust Fund will have
a negative impact on future beneficiaries--specifically women. Women
depend disproportionately on Social Security for several key reasons.
Women traditionally have been the caretakers of our families, where
many leave their jobs to take care of their children or other family
members. Women live longer and earn less than their male counterparts
(73 cents to the dollar) and typically are more likely to work in
lower-wage service-sector jobs, where retirement planning is not as
common. For these reasons, a woman's earning over her lifetime will be
significantly less--14 years of less earning in comparison to their
male counterparts.
For these reasons, women depend heavily on Social Security benefits.
If we drain the Trust Fund of its resources, beneficiaries, and women
in particular, will be hard hit. It is obvious that ensuring that the
Social Security Trust Fund is strong for our future is essential,
especially for women.
This issue is of crucial importance for minority women for the
reasons already mentioned, but their dependence is even greater. Women
of color have a huge stake in seeing that Social Security is not
burdened, as they rely even more heavily on Social Security for their
retirement income than do whites of either gender or men of color.
African-American women and Hispanic women tend to have even lower
lifetime earnings than other cultural and gender groups, and also have
long life spans on average. They tend to work in lower-wage jobs that
don't offer retirement or pension plans.
Moreover, they draw disproportionately on Social Security benefits
for disabled workers and for families of workers who become disabled or
die prematurely. About one in five African-American and Hispanic
beneficiaries are under the age of 55, compared to only one in ten
whites. African-American women in particularly rely greatly on these
non-retirement benefits because they have a higher rate of disability
than whites of either gender and they and their families often survive
deceased husbands.
One in five African-American married couples rely on Social Security
for all of their income in retirement. For 80 percent of nonmarried
elderly African-American and Hispanic women, Social Security provides
over half of their income in retirement, and over half of older
African-American and Hispanic widows depend on Social Security for 90
percent of their retirement income. These statistics ring loudly.
The security of Social Security benefits also extends to children. 23
percent of the children who receive the survivor's benefit are African-
American children. In fact, African American children are almost four
times more likely to be lifted out of poverty by Social Security than
are white children. This is also a children's issue.
Instead of raiding the Social Security Trust Fund, we need to work
together to ensure that it is strengthened and not weakened. We need to
ensure that each and every dollar in the Social Security Trust Fund is
spent on Social Security. We cannot smash the lockbox and raid it
blindfolded without weighing the consequences for our future.
Mr. KNOLLENBERG. Mr. Chairman, following the terrorist attacks of
September 11th, we face new challenges throughout the world. While we
work around the clock to ensure our nation's security, we must also
work to ensure that the fundamental principles of democracy, human
rights and justice are upheld.
I would like to focus for a moment on the South Caucasus. As my
colleagues know, securing open borders and ensuring regional
cooperation in the South Caucasus have become increasingly important
U.S. policy goals. Achieving these goals is not only critical to the
United States and the global war against terrorism, but also for the
countries in the region.
As a member of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Foreign
Operations, I am keenly aware of the many challenges facing these
countries and the need for open borders, regional stability and peace.
Given Turkey's ongoing blockade of Armenia, I welcomed President Bush's
April 24th Armenian Genocide commemoration statement whereby he called
on Turkey to restore economic, political, and cultural links with
Armenia. Once this happens, U.S. legislation such as the Humanitarian
Aid Corridor Act will no longer be necessary. As a result of the
economic assistance provided to Turkey in this supplemental bill and
Turkey's blockade of Armenia, Turkey will be subject to the
requirements of the Corridor Act. As many know, the Corridor Act
prohibits U.S. economic assistance to any country that prohibits or
restricts the transfer or delivery of U.S. humanitarian assistance to
another country.
In the South Caucasus, Turkey's blockade of Armenia restricts the
delivery of humanitarian assistance to Armenia. Unless President Bush
waives the requirements of the Humanitarian Aid Corridor Act, Turkey
will not be able to receive the economic assistance provided in this
bill.
Therefore, I encourage Turkey to normalize relations with Armenia and
urge President Bush to carefully review the waiver of the Humanitarian
Aid Corridor Act.
Ms. SLAUGHTER. Mr. Chairman, I rise today to share my concerns about
the effect that the supplemental spending bill we debate here today
will have on Social Security beneficiaries, and particularly on the
women of this country who depend on Social Security for their
livelihood.
Without question, this supplemental spending bill is very important,
and includes vital funding for the war on terrorism, homeland security
and much-needed aid for my home state of New York. However, I am
concerned that these priorities are being paid for with the Social
Security benefits which are of the utmost importance to countless
Americans. The retirement security of both men and women rests on the
decisions that Congress must make regarding this vital program.
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Women are especially dependent on Social Security. Currently, over
60% of all Social Security beneficiaries are women. Among beneficiaries
aged 85 or older, 75% are women. And most of these women rely on Social
Security for almost 90% of their income. Unfortunately, women often
have less pension income and personal savings than men. Social Security
provides women, who live longer and make less money than men, with a
secure source of retirement income.
Social Security has allowed generations of women to live with
independence and dignity. No plan for increasing defense spending or
any other important priority should simultaneously threaten the
livelihood of women retirees who, without Social Security would have
nowhere else to turn. I urge my colleagues to think carefully about the
spending priorities of this Congress, and to preserve Social Security
for current beneficiaries and future generations.
Ms. MILLENDER-McDONALD. Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong opposition to
the supplemental bill under consideration before the House today. My
opposition is predicated on the fact that through this bill we are
raiding the Social Security System.
The path of deficit spending that this bill maps out will do
irreparable harm to current and future retirees who rely on, or will
rely on Social Security for retirement income.
I am particularly concerned about the plight of women who rely on
Social Security. Last year the President and the House majority
leadership promised that every dollar of the Social Security and
Medicare surpluses would be saved for Social Security and Medicare.
Now, those commitments are being cast aside like useless counterfeit
money. Let's examine who will suffer and how they will suffer.
The facts of the matter are: Women constitute the majority of
beneficiaries, approximately 60 percent of the recipients over the age
of 65, and roughly 72 percent of the beneficiaries above the age of 85
are women. Furthermore, women rely disproportionately on Social
Security benefits.
27 percent of women over the age of 65 rely on Social Security for 90
percent of their income.
Among Elderly widows, Social Security provides nearly 75 percent of
their income.
The current strategy to raid the Social Security and Medicare lock
boxes will spend 93 percent of the Social Security surplus over the
next five years! The casualties from this wrong-headed policy will be
women and minorities.
Women of this House are resolute in our collective refusal not to be
victimized by a supplemental bill that is short sighted, and which will
hasten the insolvency of Social Security. Clearly, Social Security is
projected to cost more in the future largely because the number of
Americans (especially women) over age 65 will grow faster than the
number of workers. We must prepare for this eventuality.
Therefore, I call upon my colleagues to stand firm and resist efforts
to raid America's trust, our Social Security and Medicare System. We
must staunchly defend against those who propose to loot the system and
bankrupt it. We must preserve a sacred trust, so that widows and
elderly women will have the retirement income they have earned and
which has been promised to them.
Ms. LEE. Mr. Chairman, I rise to strike the last word. I rise in
opposition to this bill.
There are many provisions in this bill that I support. I strongly
believe, for example, that we must increase our investment in security
for nuclear facilities.
I also agree that we need funding for enhanced security at U.S. ports
and improved airport protections. If those measures, truly emergency
issues, were up for a separate vote, I would strongly support them.
However, on the whole I do not believe this bill, as written, serves
the interests of the American people.
In its military spending, this bill continues to echo the patterns of
the Cold War, including continued support for a weapons system the
Secretary of Defense has very clearly stated he neither wants nor
needs.
It includes dangerous provisions that dramatically expand the U.S.
role in the decades-old Colombian civil war.
It provides millions of dollars to regimes with very dark human
rights records with little oversight of how that money will be spent.
It prohibits any U.S. participation in or even cooperation with the
International Criminal Court.
This bill is supposed to be about emergency spending, but instead it
is loaded with favors to defense contractors, big oil companies, and
Republican members from a few areas.
This bill includes millions for protecting a pipeline in Colombia.
Since when was an Occidental Petroleum pipeline in Colombia a national
emergency?
In contrast, there are real emergencies that this bill fails to
address fully, including the global HIV/AIDS pandemic.
While the supplemental appropriations bill does include funding for
the global AIDS, TB and Malaria crises, I am extremely disappointed
that the amendment offered by my colleague, Ranking Member Nita Lowey,
which would have increased funding to $750 million for this priority,
was defeated in the House Appropriations Committee.
In addition to AIDS being the greatest humanitarian crisis of our
time, HIV/AIDS has been declared a threat to our national security by
the CIA.
AIDS, TB and Malaria kill over 15,000 people each day. That means 5.4
million people each year.
Without stronger U.S. leadership, more and more people will die.
The U.S. can and must do more. This is an emergency. And $200 million
is not enough.
While most of the money in this bill isn't paid for or off-set, the
Republican leadership is continuing to look for any excuse to cut
federal funding for another urgent situation, our housing programs.
This bill cuts another $600 million from low-income housing programs.
This continues an absurd trend of the GOP rescinding, cutting, or
diverting more than $20 billion in housing money since they took over
in 1994.
We face a housing crisis in my district in the Bay Area and in many
other parts of the country. And yet, these unconscionable cuts
continue, putting the dream of home ownership further and further out
of the reach of millions.
So with its Cold War approach to defense spending, pork barrel
projects, dangerous steps in Colombia and elsewhere, and shortfalls for
real emergencies such as AIDS and housing, I cannot support this bill.
Ms. SLAUGHTER. Mr. Chairman, I am stunned that this leadership can
take an overwhelmingly popular and important measure, a measure that
passed through Committee by voice vote, and load it with so many
controversial provisions.
This measure employs procedural gimmicks that silence the voice of
both Democrat and Republican alike. Whether the issue is Social
Security, defense, budget, taxes, retirement--you name it--we're cut
off. Amendments are blocked and debate shut down.
Today, however, this leadership has truly outdone itself. The
Leadership has inserted technical language into the Supplemental bill
that will allow a huge increase in the debt limit to occur without an
up-or-down vote on the floor of the House of Representatives. This
stealth maneuver will provide a germane hook so that Republicans can
later insert a debt limit increase into the conference report.
This leadership is asking us to ignore its fiscal mismanagement of
the budget and its inability to stick to the budget policies that
fostered federal budget surpluses--not deficits. This rule does nothing
to address the burgeoning public debt and mortgages the Social Security
Trust Fund.
This leadership is simply not dealing in reality. There refusal to
engage in any debate on raising the debt ceiling is just the latest in
a pattern of running roughshod over the rules of the House. Just last
month, this leadership gutted an adoption tax credit bill to ensure
consideration of legislation making the President's tax cut permanent
through this body--without having a real debate. This leadership
refuses to acknowledge that making the tax cut permanent will diminish
the government's financial standing by $4 trillion just as the Baby
Boom retirement reaches full force, between 2013 and 2022.
Budget Picture
Let's take a step back and really look at how we got here. The
deterioration of the budget outlook over the past 12 months is truly
stunning. President Bush came to office with an unprecedented budgetary
bounty--eight consecutive years of budget improvement yielded four
years of surplus and $453 billion in repayment of publicly held debt.
No increase in the debt ceiling has been needed since 1997 and, last
year, the Administration predicted that we would not need a debt limit
increase until 2008, even with enactment of the President's tax cut.
But, by August 2001, well before September 11th, Treasury was
indicating that the debt ceiling would need to be raised next year.
Thus, assertions that the debt problem is the result of September 11th
or the war on terrorism simply don't wash.
Today, the ten-year $5.6 trillion surplus seems like a pipe-dream and
we must adjust to a new reality--long-term deficits. The interests of
the people of my district or the nation, at large, are not served by
moving the goal posts, with respect to debt, and not setting forth a
plan to get the budget back on track.
INTEREST RATES
I would also note that by increasing the national debt, we run the
risk of raising interest rates and consequently enacting a massive tax
cut on all Americans. Over the past year, time and again, the Federal
Reserve has reduced short term rates. Nevertheless, long-term rates
have remained high, preventing Americans from realizing savings on
variable mortgages, new mortgages, auto loans, or credit card payments.
Thus, the return to deficits and a growing debt has effectively denied
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a tax cut to millions of Americans by keeping long-term rates high.
Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee do now
rise.
The motion was agreed to.
Accordingly, the Committee rose; and the Speaker pro tempore (Mr.
Simpson) having assumed the chair, Mr. Thornberry, Chairman of the
Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union, reported that
that Committee, having had under consideration the bill (H.R. 4775)
making supplemental appropriations for further recovery from and
response to terrorist attacks on the United States for the fiscal year
ending September 30, 2002, and for other purposes, had come to no
resolution thereon.
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