[Congressional Record Volume 147, Number 100 (Wednesday, July 18, 2001)]
[Senate]
[Pages S7851-S7871]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




    ENERGY AND WATER DEVELOPMENT APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2002--Continued

  Mrs. HUTCHISON. Mr. President, I rise to talk about the Nation's lack 
of an energy policy. Many have spoken earlier today about the fact that 
we have not taken up an energy policy for our country. It doesn't seem 
to be a priority for the Senate.
  I disagree with that. I think it is the highest priority for the 
Senate, and I urge the majority to let us debate an energy policy. It 
is time that we have a long-term strategy. We know from what is 
happening in California right now, where the energy shortage has hit 
very hard the people of California and the economy of California, that 
we can't wait and try to do something quickly because quickly doesn't 
work when you are dealing with something that is so long range.
  For instance, one of California's big problems is they don't have a 
distribution system. They have a shortage. Even if they could get the 
energy into their State, they don't have an adequate distribution 
system.
  President Bush has put forward an energy policy that would address 
long term some of these issues. As our economy is growing, they are 
going to become even more acute.
  The Congress also has put forward a plan. Senator Murkowski has been 
a leader in this effort, as past chairman of the Energy Committee. We 
need to be able to debate these issues and see where our country is 
going.
  The interesting thing is, our country is going to increase its oil 
consumption by 33 percent in the next 10 years. It is expected that our 
foreign oil imports will go from 55 percent to 67 percent by the year 
2020.
  Natural gas consumption will increase by 50 percent. Demand for 
electricity will rise 45 percent in the next 20 years. We cannot sit on 
antiquated, unreliable, and inadequate distribution systems if we are 
going to be able to keep our economy strong, to keep the businesses 
going, to keep the jobs in America, and so consumers have good and 
adequate sources of energy. We must address this policy.
  I call on the majority to make this a priority. Yes, appropriations 
bills are important, but that does not address the long-term needs of 
our country.
  What would a good energy policy entail? It would entail modernization 
and expansion of our energy infrastructure. That is the distribution 
system. We need more pipelines. We need more powerplants. We need to be 
able to get the electricity into the homes and businesses of our 
country.
  We must have diversification of our energy supplies. I have been 
trying for 3 years, with support across the aisle, very bipartisan, for 
tax credits for small drillers, people who drill 15-barrel-a-day wells. 
When prices go below $18 a barrel, those people cannot stay in 
business. Yet all of those little bitty producers together can produce 
500,000 barrels of oil a day, the same amount we import from Saudi 
Arabia. But they can't stay in business when prices fall to $18, $17, 
$16 a barrel. We had $9-a-barrel oil just 2 and 3 years ago, and those 
people went out of business. They kept their wells, and they will never 
be able to reopen their wells because they are too small. The margins 
are too thin.

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  We want to encourage our small producers of oil and gas by saying 
there will be a leveling off and a stabilizing when prices go so low 
that you can't break even. It is the same thing we do for farmers. When 
crop prices fall below break even--we value having farmers make the 
food for our country--we stabilize the prices. If we don't open markets 
for our farmers, we give them subsidies so they can stay in business so 
they won't have to sell the family farm to a real estate developer.

  That is the same concept we need for the smallest energy producers, 
so we can keep the jobs in America, not send them overseas, and so we 
can keep the prices at a stable level so that the little guys can stay 
in business and keep their employees employed when prices go below a 
break even.
  This has been supported by Democrats and Republicans. We have 
actually passed it. It has been in other legislation that has been 
vetoed previously. I believe President Bush will sign a bill that 
includes this kind of tax incentive if we can pass a bill that is 
balanced, a bill that will give our country a long-term energy policy 
to which we can work for energy sufficiency for our country.
  We must modernize our conservation and efficient energy use programs. 
I am going to introduce an amendment, if we ever make energy policy a 
priority, that will give incentives to people who buy cars that have 
more gasoline mileage efficiency. It may be a $250 credit if you buy a 
car that has a 25-mile-per-gallon efficiency level. These are the kinds 
of things that will encourage people to conserve energy so that it will 
be more available.
  A good energy policy has three prongs. It has consumption energy 
efficiency as one leg of the stool, and we should make sure that we 
have an incentive that encourages that kind of energy consumption 
efficiency, and hopefully education so that people will want to do the 
right thing.
  Secondly, we need diversification of our energy supplies. We need 
more oil and gas. We need nuclear power that is safe and clean. We need 
to have more dependence on our own resources rather than depending on 
foreign imports. We cannot be a secure country if 67 percent of our 
energy needs are imported, not to mention what that does to the jobs 
that go overseas rather than staying in America.
  The third part of a good energy policy is expanding the 
infrastructure, making sure we have the ability to efficiently and 
safely get the energy into the businesses and into the homes.
  I think it is high time--it is beyond time--that we should address 
the energy crisis in this country. The average price of gasoline is 
about $1.50 now. That is down from what it was, but it is not great; we 
can do a whole lot better. We can make the price of gasoline less if we 
have stability and if we have our own resources developed in our 
country.
  Clean burning coal--it seems as if sometimes when I hear people 
talking about oil, gas, and coal, they are talking about technology 50 
years ago, not today. When you talk about drilling at ANWR, you are 
talking about a little part of a vast area. It is the size of Dulles 
Airport and the State of South Carolina. That is what ANWR in Alaska is 
the size of--South Carolina. What you would need to drill, because of 
the new technology, is the area the size of Dulles Airport because the 
new technology allows you to go underground and drill without putting 
an oil well in every place.
  We have new technology in coal. You can now have coal extraction with 
technology that does not disrupt the environment. We need to talk about 
the new technology, not the old technology, and we need to discuss an 
energy policy for this country. I think we can get a bipartisan 
agreement on the three prongs of a good energy policy--self-sufficiency 
of production and diversification and jobs in our country, conservation 
and incentives to conserve, and an infrastructure that gets the product 
from business to consumer in a safe and efficient way. But we can't 
come to a conclusion if we don't bring it up.
  So I call on the majority to make this a priority and to say our 
energy policy is one of the areas that we must address before Congress 
goes out in August, and if we don't, we are not doing the job for the 
people of this country and for the long-term future of this country 
that we were sent here to do.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Nevada is recognized.
  Mr. ENSIGN. Mr. President, I rise to discuss the provision that funds 
Yucca Mountain in this appropriations bill. The senior Senator from 
Nevada has cut the funding that the President has requested, but Yucca 
Mountain is still being funded at somewhere around $275 million. 
Anybody who has been out to Yucca Mountain will see that they have 
spent a tremendous amount of money out there, to the tune of a little 
over $7 billion to this point. Most of the time people in this body are 
saying: Send more money to our State; build us more projects because 
they create economic opportunities.
  But both Senators from Nevada, and the majority of the people in 
Nevada, believe that the Yucca Mountain project is misguided. We feel 
this way for many reasons. One is, we believe it is not meeting the 
safety requirements that are necessary to have a permanent repository.
  Secondly, nuclear waste rods are really not just nuclear waste; they 
are partially spent nuclear fuel rods. They have a lot of valuable 
energy still in them.
  I applaud, first of all, Senator Domenici, for putting into this bill 
research money for accelerated technology for something called 
transmutation, which is a modern recycling technology for nuclear 
waste. The administration has also said we need to, perhaps, look at 
reprocessing or other alternatives for disposing of the waste, other 
than just burying it in a mountain. Doing that is the worst thing we 
can do instead of unlocking this untapped energy from these partially 
spent nuclear fuel rods buried in the mountain--just putting it in 
there; it is a very valuable resource. I believe it would be nuclear 
waste at that point because we would be wasting a valuable resource.
  What we should do instead of trying to build Yucca Mountain--the 
ratepayers from around the country have been paying into this fund. 
They say: Since we have been building this thing at $7 billion, we 
think the Federal Government should take the waste out there and finish 
the job. The problem with that is that Yucca Mountain, according to the 
GAO, is going to cost somewhere around $58 billion, and most people 
expect that number to go up much further than that. It will be the most 
expensive construction project in the history of the world.
  This construction project will be borne not just by the ratepayers 
when it gets up to those kinds of numbers but by the taxpayers of the 
United States. It is a waste of the taxpayers' dollars to bury a 
valuable resource in a mountain in the middle of the desert instead of 
recycling this fuel that is a non-greenhouse-producing fuel when we do 
it.
  The junior Senator from Texas just talked about the energy problems 
we have in this country. Let's not bury a valuable resource. Let's look 
at recycling technology to use this resource.
  I also add that there is no hurry. People say they are running out of 
room at these nuclear plants around the country. In one sense, that is 
true. The cooling pools in which these partially spent nuclear fuel 
rods are sitting today are being filled up, but the easy solution to 
that is to take them out of the cooling pools and put them in what are 
called dry cask canisters. That is being done in several places around 
the country even as we speak. It is a cheaper thing to do, and it is 
also a better thing to do. By the way, dry cask storage is safe, by all 
estimates, for a conservative 100 years. That gives our country time to 
look into these new technologies about recycling.
  I suggest that the people who are supporting taking nuclear waste to 
the State of Nevada should look at these new technologies and focus our 
resources there, instead of trying to put more money into really what 
is becoming a white elephant out in the State of Nevada.
  I yield the floor.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.

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  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Wyden). Without objection, it is so 
ordered.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the list of 
amendments which I will send to the desk be the only first-degree 
amendments in order to the bill, and that they be subject to relevant 
second-degree amendments.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The list is as follows:

       Biden, proliferation accounts;
       Bingaman, relevant;
       Byrd, relevant, relevant to any on list;
       Conrad, Upper Great Plains;
       Corzine, relevant;
       Daschle, relevant, relevant to any on list, relevant to any 
     on list;
       Dorgan, transmission constraints;
       Edwards, section 933 study;
       Feinstein, 2 relevant;
       Graham, 10 relevant;
       Harkin, National Ignition Facility, Mad Creek;
       Hollings, plutonium disposition;
       Johnson, mid-Dakota rural water, James River Project;
       Landrieu, Port of Iberia;
       Levin, 2 relevant;
       Reed, FERC ISO;
       Reid, relevant, relevant to any on list, manager's 
     amendment, relevant to any on list;
       Sarbanes, Chesapeake Bay shoreline;
       Torricelli, Green Brook Basin, navigational servitude, 
     relevant;
       Wyden, 2 Savage Rapid Dam.
       Bond, 2 relevant;
       G. Smith, clarifying BPA borrowing authority; Klamath;
       Kyl, Lower Colorado River Basin Development Fund;
       Allard No. 998, reduce funding in the bill by 1 percent;
       Collins, Camp Ellis Beach, relevant;
       Gramm, appropriation for Paul Coverdell, relevant; relevant 
     to list;
       Stevens, research; 2 relevant;
       Chafee, Estuary Restoration Act, relevant;
       Craig, Arrow Rock Dam, Lava Hot Springs, Yucca Mountain;
       Bunning, Paducah Plant;
       B. Smith, 4 Army Corp;
       Nickles, 2 relevant, 2 relevant to list;
       T. Hutchinson, relevant;
       Inhofe, relevant;
       Lott, 4 relevant, 2 relevant to list;
       Domenici, 2 relevant, 2 relevant to list, Technical, Dept 
     of Energy, FERC, NNSA;
       Crapo, advance test reactor;
       Murkowski, DOE workforce, Yucca Mountain, Price Anderson, 
     Iraq, 4 relevant;
       Warner, relevant;
       Kyl, Indian water rights;
       Roberts, Army Corps;
       Thomas, relevant, Snake River;
       Craig/Burns, Bonneville borrowing authority.

  Mr. REID. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The senior assistant bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Corzine). Without objection, it is so 
ordered.
  Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, I rise today to call attention to one of 
the issues we face in protecting our water, our taxpayers, and our 
public lands. I am talking about the need to strengthen environmental 
mining regulations or so-called 3809 regulations.
  These regulations protect lands managed by the Bureau of Land 
Management from the impacts of mining for minerals such as gold and 
copper. Earlier this year, the Clinton administration made long overdue 
revisions to the regulations after years of public comments, 
congressional hearings, and reports and evaluations.
  Despite the thorough input, the Department of the Interior announced 
in March that they were going to roll back the updated 3809 
regulations. What they were really rolling back are stronger 
protections for our environment and public health.
  My colleagues in the House recognized the importance of maintaining 
strong environmental mining regulations. With bipartisan support, the 
House voted to prohibit the administration from overturning the updated 
regulations. I fully support the House in their effort and hope the 
Senate will accept the House language in conference.
  Let me clarify the three major issues at risk.
  First, the new rules would direct mining operators to protect water 
quality. This is a serious problem for the hardrock mining industry. 
Just last May, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency recognized the 
industry as the Nation's largest toxic polluter. The Bureau of Mines 
estimated that 12,000 miles of streams are polluted by hard rock 
mining.
  Second, the old rules were not interpreted to allow land managers to 
deny mining operations in environmentally or culturally sensitive 
areas. The updated regulations would allow the BLM to deny mining 
operations that would endanger towns or national parks.
  Of course, the mining industry is opposed to any authority that would 
curtail mining operations. Based on their strong opposition one would 
think that every mining operation will be banned.
  But the BLM has publicly and repeated stated that they would ``rarely 
invoke'' this authority. And before they would ever use this authority 
they would provide full opportunities for evaluation and public 
comment.
  This provision is not about shutting down mining businesses. I 
recognize that they have a role to play in our economy. This provision 
is about responsible hardrock mining and responsible business 
practices.
  Third, the old regulations too often allowed mining companies to 
declare bankruptcy after they finished mining, leaving taxpayers to pay 
for the cleanup. Independent reports show that taxpayers have a 
potential liability in excess of $1 billion for cleanup costs at 
current hardrock mining operations.
  Keep in mind that these mining operations are taking place on public 
lands owned by Americans--lands owned by taxpayers. Too many times the 
people who come into these lands mine them for profit, making rather 
substantial profits in the process, pay little or nothing to the 
Federal Government for that right, and leave a mess to be cleaned up 
afterwards. When they leave that mess, the taxpayers have lost twice: 
First, when public lands have been exploited for profit; and, second, 
when those despoiled lands remain for the taxpayers to clean up.
  To the administration's credit, they have acknowledged the importance 
of strengthening the financial requirements. But 33 percent was a 
failing grade where I went to school.
  I recognize the need for a healthy mining industry. Under stronger 
mining regulations we will have a healthy, environmentally responsible 
mining industry that does not sacrifice the interest of communities for 
the interest of profit.
  As my colleagues prepare to conference on the Interior appropriations 
bill, I urge them to support the hard rock mining language as it passed 
in the House.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, there is no question that we have to do 
something about the bonding of hard rock mines. It has caused problems 
recently in Nevada. The largest mining company in the world that has 
significant operations in Nevada is the Newmont Mining Company. The 
Newmont Mining Company is considering discontinuing the use of 
corporate guarantees. That is the way it should be. They are setting 
the example for the rest of the industry in saying corporate bonds 
simply may not work.
  As I told my friend from Illinois, we need to be vigilant and do 
everything we can to change this hard rock mining bonding so that when 
mining operations are complete there are adequate resources to follow 
through and make sure they complete appropriate reclamation.
  Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, I thank the Senator from Nevada. I think 
it is perfectly reasonable, if someone is going to come along on the 
public lands owned by the taxpayers of this country and mine for 
profit, they should at least post a bond so if they should leave that 
land despoiled where there is a need for environmental cleanup there is 
money to do it and the taxpayers don't end up footing the bill.
  The House version of this appropriations bill contains that 
provision. Hopefully, the chairman of the committee, the Senator from 
Nevada, will do everything in his power to make sure it is included as 
part of the conference.
  I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. BOND. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.

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  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.


                           Amendment No. 1013

  Mr. BOND. Mr. President, now that our distinguished majority leader 
is here, I send to the desk an amendment on behalf of myself, Senators 
Carnahan, Grassley, and Harkin, and ask for its immediate 
consideration.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report.
  The assistant legislative clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from Missouri [Mr. Bond], for himself, Mrs. 
     Carnahan, Mr. Grassley, and Mr. Harkin, proposes an amendment 
     numbered 1013.

  Mr. BOND. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that reading of the 
amendment be dispensed with.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The amendment is as follows:

   (Purpose: To impose additional conditions on the consideration of 
      revisions to the Missouri River Master Water Control Manual)

       On page 11, at the end of line 16, add the following: 
     ``During consideration of revisions to the manual in fiscal 
     year 2002, the Secretary may consider and propose 
     alternatives for achieving species recovery other than the 
     alternatives specifically prescribed by the United States 
     Fish and Wildlife Service in the biological opinion of the 
     Service. The Secretary shall consider the views of other 
     Federal agencies, non-Federal agencies, and individuals to 
     ensure that other congressionally authorized purposes are 
     maintained.''.

  Mr. BOND. Mr. President, this is part of a continuing effort to 
prevent the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service from advancing what we 
believe is a very ill-conceived directive to increase springtime 
releases of water from Missouri River upstream dams in an experiment to 
see if a controlled flood may improve the breeding habit of the pallid 
sturgeon.
  House language was added to prevent implementation of the 
``controlled flood'' during consideration in the House Committee on 
Appropriations. The majority leader has entered an amendment, which we 
appreciate, in this bill which says no decision on final disposition of 
the Missouri River manual should be made this year. I thank him for 
that. That is one step in the right direction.
  This, however, goes beyond and makes clear there is a broader policy 
involved. Rather than let the Fish and Wildlife Service dictate 
national priorities to the Congress, the administration, the States, 
and the people, I believe the elected officials in Congress need to 
weigh in to protect human safety, property, and jobs. In sum, we ought 
to be able to do several things at once.
  The authorizing legislation for the dams and other structures on the 
Missouri River says that they should be to prevent floods, to enhance 
transportation, provide hydropower, and to facilitate recreation. 
Subsequent to those enacting statutes, the Endangered Species Act was 
adopted with the hope that we would stop the disappearance of 
endangered species and help recover them. My purpose here today, along 
with my bipartisan colleagues, is to assure that the multiple uses of 
the Missouri River may be pursued.
  As so many of my colleagues, I was a great fan of the work by Stephen 
Ambrose, ``Undaunted Courage.'' I had a great-great-grandfather who was 
one of the laborers who pulled the boats up the Missouri River. I find 
it fascinating. It was truly a remarkable chapter in our Nation's 
history.
  That chapter has come and gone and people have moved in and live and 
farm by the river. They are dependent upon the river for water supply, 
water disposal, hydropower, transportation, and, yes, in the upstream 
States, for recreation.
  While we have had continuing discussions throughout my career serving 
the State of Missouri over the proper uses of the river water between 
upstream and downstream States, I continue to assure my colleagues in 
the upstream States that if there are things we can do to help improve 
the recreational aspects of the impoundments on the river above the 
dams, I would be more than happy to do so.
  This amendment--very short, very simple--says, simply put, that the 
Secretary, meaning the Secretary of the Army, who is the ultimate 
responsible official, may consider and propose alternatives for 
achieving species recovery other than the alternatives specifically 
prescribed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in the biological 
opinion of the Service.
  In other words, they have already proposed one thing, controlled 
spring floods. The Secretary may also propose other alternatives. This 
doesn't say that he has to; it says that he can do it. He may do it. It 
mandates that the Secretary shall consider the views of other Federal 
agencies, non-Federal agencies, and individuals to ensure that other 
congressionally authorized purposes are maintained.
  This amendment simply says, we enacted a number of different 
objectives for the Missouri River. Mr. Secretary, when you select an 
option, you have to take into consideration all of these specific 
congressionally authorized objectives.

  I believe--and it makes a great deal of sense--that the Federal 
Government should prevent floods, not cause them. It should be 
providing more safe and efficient transportation options, not 
monopolies for railroads. It should not be curtailing energy production 
from an environmentally clean source of energy, water power, during 
peak summer periods of demand during an energy crisis.
  People in our State of Missouri cannot believe that we need to have 
this debate. They cannot believe that the Endangered Species Act does 
not have enough flexibility in it to permit human safety and economic 
security to be considered. They cannot believe that their needs are 
necessarily subordinate to what the Fish and Wildlife Service said is 
the only way the pallid sturgeon can be saved.
  Unfortunately, what the Fish and Wildlife Service says goes. And then 
to add insult to injury, after imposing their plan on the Corps of 
Engineers, the Corps of Engineers has to put the States and the 
citizens through the hoax--I say hoax advisedly--of a public comment 
period that is irrelevant to the Fish and Wildlife Service that has, in 
the past, demonstrated it will use its dictatorial power under the 
Endangered Species Act not just to put people out of business and 
increase damage to private property but to threaten human safety of 
urban and rural communities where there will be greater risk of flood 
and flood damage.
  This amendment on behalf of my colleagues gives the Corps of 
Engineers the opportunity to propose alternative species recovery 
measures that help fish and don't hurt people. It requires the 
continuation of public input and directs that the Corps preserve the 
other authorized purposes for the Missouri River.
  The current Fish and Wildlife Service proposal, which they offered as 
a dictate to the Corps of Engineers last July, saying you have 7 days 
to implement this plan that will flood Missouri and downstream States 
in the spring, is not some new proposal that just needs a little public 
sunlight to be fashioned into something that is sensible.
  It represents the ``my way or the highway'' approach to regulatory 
enforcement and the reincarnation of what has previously been rejected 
by the people and the States involved.
  A spring rise and low flow period was proposed by Fish and Wildlife 
through the Corps of Engineers in 1994. It was subjected to 6 months of 
public comment, and it was ridiculed at public forums from Omaha to 
Kansas City to St. Louis to Memphis to Quincy to New Orleans to Onawa, 
IA, and elsewhere. This is what the people of the heartland of America 
said about the spring rise. I have a bad hand, and I can only lift a 
third of the transcripts at a time, but these are the comments that the 
Corps of Engineers received in 1994. Guess what. They didn't think much 
of the plan then for spring rise.
  President Clinton's Secretary of Agriculture and his Secretary of 
Transportation criticized the plan in writing. The plan was then 
shelved by the Clinton administration because of public opinion. They 
had their public comment. People did weigh in, and they said this is a 
disaster. The Clinton administration withdrew it.
  However, that plan was subsequently resurrected by the Fish and 
Wildlife Service, using the force of the so-called consultation process 
sufficient to impose its will on the people in the States.
  In other words, the Fish and Wildlife Service failed to convince the 
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and the States of the wisdom of their plan, as represented by these 
comments, so they decided to force their plan by putting a gun to the 
head of the Corps.
  If the Fish and Wildlife Service cared about the views of the States 
and the public opinion of those who live in and around the basin and 
depend upon the Missouri River, we would not be here today. There is 
very little hope that they would care about next year's comments than 
they care about the comments people took pains to make in 1994 because 
they simply don't have to. The Fish and Wildlife Service gets to do 
what it wants because while they are required to allow public comment, 
they are not required to listen. And I guarantee you, when it comes to 
this plan, they have not listened.
  This process, as previously orchestrated, is more rigged than a WWF 
championship match. But for my citizens, the price of admission is the 
cost of losing a planning season, a levee, an export opportunity, a 
flood, and maybe even the loss of a life.
  Some may tell you that the Government can control this proposed 
flood. I know they wish that were the case. But wishes are not going to 
provide accurate weather forecasts in the temperamental heartland 
spring. Unless someone in the Corps can forecast weather accurately 5 
to 10 days to 2 weeks in advance, there will be accidents, people will 
be hurt, and it will be because the U.S. Government decided to risk 
their safety for an experiment. When the Government releases pulses of 
water from the dams, that water can't be brought back; it is not 
retrievable. It takes 5 days to get to Kansas City, 10 days to get to 
St. Louis, and further down the river, even longer.
  On average, the river never floods. In the real world, though, it 
isn't the averages that hurt us but the extremes. I understand that a 
lot of people have drowned in lakes that average only 3 feet deep. With 
downstream tributary flow, we already have a natural ``spring rise'' 
every time it rains, and when that happens, a ``pulse'' released days 
before is a tragic gift courtesy of the Federal Government.
  Just 6 weeks ago, following a series of low pressure systems in the 
basin, in less than 5 days gauging stations in Missouri went from below 
normal stage to flood stage. Right in the heart of our State, in 
Herman, MO, the streamflow increased from 85,000 cubic feet per second 
to 250,000 cubic feet per second in 5 days. That is almost a threefold 
increase in the amount of water coming down that river.

  Now, neither the people of Herman nor the Corps of Engineers expected 
this dramatic tripling of the flows, but it shows the danger of 
intentionally increasing those flows during the spring season, and it 
shows what people in our State already know: We already have a spring 
rise. It is natural and it is dangerous. If the pallid sturgeon really 
liked spring rises, they would be coming out our ears. After the 
floods, we should have had little pallid sturgeons all over the place.
  The second part of the Fish and Wildlife plan is an artificially low 
summer flow, which inverts the historical natural hydrograph. For those 
who may be a little concerned about the terms, that means the river 
``ain't'' flowing like it used to flow before dams. The natural 
hydrograph is to have more water in the summer during the snowmelts in 
the upper basin. This natural pattern would be turned on its head if 
you had the releases in the spring and then low flows during the 
summer. It starves the hydropower generators of capacity during peak 
periods of energy demand, driving up the rates for customers, driving 
up the rates for Native American tribes and other citizens in rural 
areas.
  According to data from the Western Area Power Administration, ``Risk 
analysis including river thermal powerplants: Both capacity and energy 
losses increase exponentially as the summer flow decreases in July.''
  That means that when you cut the waterflow during the summer in peak 
cooling seasons, you get much greater than a straight line loss in 
capacity and energy production. The line doesn't go down like this; it 
goes up like that. That is what happens to power production when you 
reduce summer flows.
  The plan does call for continued production of energy, just not when 
people need it. The middle part of the summer is when air-conditioning 
rates are the highest and when there is the greatest drain on 
electricity. Unless we no longer care about clean energy options, then 
we should not be taking deliberate steps to increase the cost of power.
  Additionally, let me point out for our southern neighbors that low 
summer flows provide inadequate water to continue water commerce on the 
Missouri River and during very low water periods on the Mississippi 
River. During the drought years, up to 65 percent of the flow in the 
Mississippi River below St. Louis comes from the Missouri River.
  Water commerce is important for another reason. One medium-sized 15-
barge tow can carry the same amount of grain--usually going to the 
export markets--as 870 trucks. This one medium-sized tow is much better 
for safety, clean air, fuel efficiency, highway congestion, and the 
competitiveness of our shippers in the international marketplace than 
putting 870 trucks on the highway through congested metropolitan areas. 
Water commerce for our farmers, shippers, and exporters is a necessary 
insurance policy against high rates that occur when the absence of 
competition leaves shippers to the mercy of transportation monopolies. 
A key assumption of some is that freight carriers don't raise rates 
when they face no competition. That is a nice wish, but it is not a 
realistic assumption.
  Other forms of transportation do raise rates when competition is not 
present. According to the Tennessee Valley Authority, which did a 
study, higher shipping costs would add up to as much as $200 million 
annually to farmers and other shippers in Missouri, South Dakota, and 
all the States in between, not including the Lower Mississippi River 
States. A shipper from the Omaha, NE, region told my office that he 
secures railroad rates of less than $25 per ton when they go up to 
Sioux City, where the river provides competition, but when he ships up 
to Sioux Falls, where the river doesn't go, where river transportation 
is not available, then rates double.
  I am pleased and proud to say there are many ongoing programs and 
practices to improve Missouri River habitat. I have listened to the 
discussions that relate to this matter over the years, and there is 
some presumption that only the Federal Government should do something 
about it. That is false. There is that overtone, since Missouri 
strongly opposes the Federal Fish and Wildlife plan--on a bipartisan 
basis, I might add--we aren't as dedicated to fish and wildlife as some 
of our friends in the Dakotas, or Montana maybe.
  Well, Mr. President, no State in the basin dedicates as much money as 
Missouri does to fish and wildlife conservation measures. Most States 
just take payments from the Pittman-Robertson and the Wallop-Breaux and 
licensing revenue. Some States have appropriations from their general 
fund.
  The citizens of Missouri have imposed upon themselves by referendum a 
State sales tax for conservation. That has enabled Missouri to spend as 
much as California on fish and wildlife. This year that total will be 
$140 million.
  Our State conservation tax has enabled Missouri to spend twice as 
much as Florida, 11 times more than Massachusetts, 11 times more than 
Vermont, 9 times more than Nevada, and 3 times more than Illinois.
  According to the latest data from the Wildlife Conservation Fund of 
America, Missouri spends roughly 50 percent more on fish and wildlife 
than the Dakotas and Montana combined. Missouri spends 5 times more 
than South Dakota on fish and wildlife, and 10 times more than North 
Dakota.
  Almost all States raise money from hunting and fishing licenses and 
all States get Federal money. If you go beyond those sources, the 
difference between what Missouri citizens have set aside for fish and 
wildlife compared to our upstream neighbors, the numbers are 
staggering. In the latest years, the figures available to me, Missouri 
dedicated 60 times more from State taxes in the general fund than South 
Dakota, for example.
  I will not say anything beyond this except that Missouri citizens are 
doing their part, and certainly we encourage other States to follow the 
constructive example that Missouri has set.

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  What have we done? What have we done for wildlife habitat? What have 
we done to conserve species, to preserve and help restore endangered 
species? Our Department of Conservation has acquired 72 properties in 
the Missouri River flood plain totaling almost 45,000 acres. Senator 
Harkin of Iowa and I and others have requested funding for a number of 
ongoing habitat projects, and while two are funded in this bill, one 
was not funded.
  We have authorized and we have begun funding for a 60,000-acre flood 
plain refuge between St. Louis and Kansas City. We authorize an 
addition of 100,000 acres of land acquisition in the lower basin to 
restore habitat, with almost 13,700 acres already acquired.
  I have been pleased to work with American Rivers and Missouri farm 
groups to authorize habitat restoration on the river, to create 
sandbars, islands, and side channels. These are the natural structures 
that support and facilitate species such as the pallid sturgeon.
  I regret to say this administration, as the last administration, 
requested no funds to start the project, and the subcommittee this year 
did no new starts, so a consensus approach is lying in state. We have 
financed over 21,740 acres of wetland easements from the Wetlands 
Reserve Program in Missouri. Missouri is very active with the 
Conservation Reserve Program, and farmers are signing up for filter 
strips along waterways to reduce runoff.
  We are working in Missouri on an agroforestry flood plain initiative 
and have demonstrated tree systems that take out nearly three-quarters 
of the phosphorous and nitrogen so it does not reach the waterways 
while providing excellent bird habitat.
  According to our Department of Natural Resources, river engineering 
efforts on the Mississippi River have paid big dividends for endangered 
species. For example, at river mile 84 on the Upper Mississippi River, 
the Corps has created hard points in the river to separate a sandbar 
from the bank to create a nesting island for the federally endangered 
least tern. In addition, larval sturgeon have been collected in the 
resultant side channel.

  Four islands around mile 100 on the Upper Mississippi were created by 
modifying existing navigational structures without interfering with 
water transport. Islands have flourished even through the flood of 
1993.
  At river mile 40 on the Upper Mississippi, the Corps has established 
critical off-channel connectivity essential as overwintering and 
rearing habitat for many Mississippi River fishes.
  We know there are better approaches that do not hurt people, and that 
is where the focus has been in Missouri, and that is where the focus 
should be in Washington. The sooner we table the plan that is risky, 
untested, and dangerous, the sooner we can get to the plans that are 
tested and broadly supported.
  Our bipartisan amendment is supported by members across the country: 
the National Waterways Alliance, National Corn Growers Association, 
American Soybean Association, American Farm Bureau Federation, National 
Association of Wheat Growers, National Council of Farmer Cooperatives, 
Agricultural Retailers Association, National Grain and Feed 
Association, and others.
  The Fish and Wildlife Service plan has been opposed strongly by the 
Southern Governors Association which issued another resolution opposing 
it early this year. The Fish and Wildlife plan is opposed strongly by 
our current Governor, Governor Holden, and his Department of Natural 
Resources which is just as knowledgeable and just as committed to the 
protection of the river they live on as the Federal field 
representatives who live in other regions and States.
  I say to all the Senators on the Mississippi River that objections 
were raised to the Fish and Wildlife Service plan in a recent letter to 
the President signed by nine Mississippi River Governors. These 
Governors include Governor Patton from Kentucky, Governor Sundquist 
from Tennessee, Governor Foster from Louisiana, Governor Musgrove from 
Mississippi, Governor Ryan from Illinois, Governor Huckabee from 
Arkansas, Governor McCallum from Wisconsin, and Governor Holden from 
Missouri.
  This plan is opposed on a bipartisan basis by elected officials, by 
our late Governor Carnahan, by mayors, farmers, and the people all 
along the Missouri River.
  Our amendment seeks to add some balance in the decisionmaking process 
and attempts to permit the administration to do what is right to find 
ways to address species recovery that do not harm people, that do not 
harm property, that do not interfere with the other legitimate multiple 
uses of the Missouri River.
  I strongly urge my colleagues to adopt this bipartisan amendment. I 
thank the Chair, and I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from South Dakota.
  Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I compliment the Senator from Missouri. 
He clearly feels as passionate about this issue as I do, and he, like 
I, has tried to find common ground. I have no objection to the 
amendment that Senator Bond is proposing this afternoon.
  What he is saying through this amendment is that in addition to the 
proposal made by Fish and Wildlife, there ought to be consideration of 
other issues, other opportunities to address the problem. I have said 
that from the beginning.
  I will support this amendment, and I urge my colleagues to support it 
as well. I also urge my colleagues to endorse this position as the bill 
proceeds through conference. This is a position that I think will 
clearly show unanimity on both sides of the aisle and, as a result, I 
hope we can maintain this position rather than the very negative 
approach adopted by the House.
  I am hopeful as we go into conference that Senator Bond will support 
the position that he and I now have adopted as a Senate position.
  While I am in agreement on the amendment, we are in vast disagreement 
about the issue. I feel compelled to address some of the questions 
raised by the distinguished Senator from Missouri.
  First of all, it is important to remember, most importantly perhaps, 
it is important to remember that this goes beyond just the pallid 
sturgeon. Obviously, the pallid sturgeon is an endangered species, and 
we can argue all afternoon about the relevance of the pallid sturgeon 
to the master manual debate, but in my view, this is about more than an 
endangered species. This debate is about an endangered river. This 
debate and the master manual is about whether or not we can save an 
endangered river.
  This is not about an endangered species. This debate is about an 
endangered river. This debate and the master manual is about whether or 
not we can save an endangered river.
  The distinguished Senator mentioned the organization American Rivers. 
The American Rivers organization has now listed for the second year in 
a row the Missouri River as the most endangered river in America. It 
doesn't get any worse than that.
  We talked about the Federal Government's commitments and regulatory 
approach. Citizens of South Dakota know a lot about commitments and 
regulatory approach. We were told if we gave up hundreds of thousands 
of acres of land to build four dams to help downstream States, we would 
benefit. We would have irrigation projects, and we would have water 
projects, and we would have an array of special consideration given the 
new jeopardy within which we find ourselves as a result of the dams' 
construction.
  The first things to go, of course, were all the irrigation projects. 
We don't have any in South Dakota. That is done. The second thing to 
go, of course, was the quality of life for people who lived along the 
river. We had to move communities. That is done. We have moved them. 
Unfortunately, because the master manual is now so out of date, we are 
drowning communities all along the river as we speak.
  The Senator from Missouri talks about his concern for spring rise and 
floods. We are getting that every year. We have already authorized the 
construction of new homes for 200 homeowners in Pierre, SD. We will 
have to commit $35 million to move homeowners because we flooded them 
out because the master manual isn't working.
  So don't talk to us about spring rise. Don't talk to us about 
flooding. Don't talk to us about sacrifice. We know

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sacrifice. We know the problem because we are living in it every single 
day.
  Yes, this is about pallid sturgeons. But this is about a lot of South 
Dakotans who are living on the river who were told they were safe, who 
were told they had been given commitments, who were told they would get 
irrigation projects, who were told they would get all kinds of benefits 
which we have not seen.
  This is about an endangered river. It is about a master manual 
written 50 years ago when times were a lot different. It is about a 
recognition that every once in a while, perhaps at least every two 
generations, we ought to look at a master manual and whether it is 
working or not and come to a conclusion about rewriting it so people 
are not flooded out.
  This has been an effort 10 years in the making. In spite of all the 
assertions made by the Fish and Wildlife and the Corps of Engineers and 
others that the spring rise proposal provides 99 percent of the flood 
control we have today, that is not good enough for some of our people. 
In spite of the fact they tell us in any single year there would be 
high water, there would be no spring rise, we would not authorize it, 
that is not good enough for some people.
  The distinguished Senator from Missouri mentioned a hero of mine, 
Steve Ambrose. I don't know of anybody who knows more about that river 
than he does. He has walked virtually every mile of it. He knows it 
backwards and forwards. He knows its history, he knows its splendor. He 
knows the river like no one knows the river. He has been very 
complimentary about the efforts made to protect it now. I will not 
speak for him, but I will say this. Were he here, I think he would 
express the same concern about how endangered this river is, as I just 
have.
  Steve Ambrose is not the only one. The Senator from Missouri was 
talking about all the indignation, talking about all those who came out 
in opposition, and he mentioned quite a list of people. I could go on, 
too, with lists of organizations, lists of Governors on a bipartisan 
basis. I think perhaps the most important is the letter we received on 
May 21 from the Missouri River Natural Resources Committee. The 
Missouri River Natural Resources Committee is made up of people up and 
down the river, but especially people in the lower regions of the 
river. Here is what the Missouri River Natural Resources Committee has 
to say. I will read one sentence, and I ask unanimous consent the 
letter be printed in the Record at the end of my remarks.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  (See Exhibit No. 1.)
  Mr. DASCHLE. ``The MRNRC supports the recommendations contained in 
the Biological Opinion as biologically sound and scientifically 
justified.''
  There you have it, perhaps the most authoritative organization on 
river management dealing with the Missouri River. This sentence is 
underlined: ``This plan is biologically sound and scientifically 
justified.''
  I feel this as passionately as the distinguished Senator from 
Missouri. What happens when two people who feel as passionately as we 
both do, with polar opposite positions, come to the floor on a bill of 
this import, on an issue of this import? What I did early in the year--
and I thank my very professional staff, Peter Hanson, and others, and 
my colleague, Senator Johnson, for his admirable work on the committee 
in working with us, and perhaps most importantly, my chairman on this 
subcommittee, Harry Reid. I thank them all for their extraordinary 
efforts to work with us to try to find some common ground.
  Basically, what is in the bill is simply an amendment that says: 
Look, let's continue to look at this; let's see if we can find the 
common ground, with the depth of feeling we recognize on both sides. 
Let's not do any damage, but let's keep working.
  That is what is in the bill. Let's not make any conclusions, let's 
not insert that somehow the States have to comply prematurely. We 
already have invested 10 years. What is another year? Let's keep 
working.
  That is what is in the bill.
  What the Senator from Missouri is saying is let's also ensure that 
there are other options that we look at. I have no objection to that. 
That is why I support this amendment. If we pass this legislation, we 
will look at other options, we will not take any specific action right 
now, but we will not deny, as the House did, the right to continue to 
move forward. I hope we can all agree this is a legitimate, balanced 
approach.
  I also hope people recognize this: If we don't solve it, the Fish and 
Wildlife and the Corps don't solve us, there is only one other 
recourse: The courts of the United States will solve this. This will be 
tied up in the courts, and we will see litigation for a long time to 
come, and it will be North v. South in a new context. I don't want to 
see that.
  I want to see a resolution to this problem. I want to see some 
understanding of the science that has gone into the solution to this 
problem. I want to see a recognition that there is pain on both sides 
of this problem. I want to see us not continuing to kick the ball down 
the field but coming to grips with it, finishing it, and moving on.
  This master manual is now older than I am. The river has changed a 
lot, as I have, over the last 50 years. I think it is time to update 
it. Probably time to update, me, too. This river is a lot more 
important than I am. This river provides a lot more livelihood to 
people in South Dakota than I do. This river is dying, and we need to 
save it.

                             Exhibit No. 1

                                                    Missouri River


                                  Natural Resources Committee,

                                Missouri Valley, IA, May 21, 2001.
     Secretary Gale Norton,
     Department of the Interior,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Ms. Norton: I am writing to express the position of 
     the Missouri River Natural Resources Committee (MRNRC) 
     concerning the biological and scientific merits of the 
     November 30, 2000, final Biological Opinion of the U.S. Fish 
     and Wildlife Service on the Operation of the Missouri River 
     Main Stem Reservoir System, Operation and Maintenance of the 
     Missouri River Bank Stabilization and Navigation Project, and 
     Operation of the Kansas Reservoir System. By way of 
     introduction, the MRNRC is an organization of appointed, 
     professional biologists representing the seven main stem 
     Missouri River Basin state fish and wildlife management 
     agencies. Our agencies have statutory responsibilities for 
     management and stewardship of river fish and wildlife 
     resources held in trust for the public. We were established 
     in 1987 to promote and facilitate the conservation and 
     enhancement of river fish and wildlife recognizing that river 
     management must encompass the system as a whole and cannot 
     focus only on the interests of one state or agency. Besides 
     an Executive Board of state representatives, we also have 
     three technical sections--Fish Technical Section, Tern and 
     Plover Section, and Wildlife Section--consisting of river 
     field biologists and managers which advise the Board on river 
     science, management, and technical matters.
       The MRNRC supports the recommendations contained in the 
     Biological Opinion as biologically sound and scientifically 
     justified. Implementation of these recommendations will not 
     only benefit the federally-listed pallid sturgeon, interior 
     least tern and piping plover, but also many other river and 
     reservoir fish and wildlife for which our agencies have 
     responsibility and jurisdiction, including river fish species 
     which have declined in many river reaches since development 
     of the system. A sustainable river ecosystem requires 
     restoring as much as possible those hydrological functions 
     and river and floodplain habitat features under which native 
     river fish and wildlife evolved. The scientific community is 
     increasingly recommending restoration of natural flow 
     patterns or some semblance of them to conserve native river 
     biota and river ecosystem integrity (Richter et al., 1998; 
     Galat et al., 1998). The Opinion takes the first, adaptive 
     management step toward accomplishing this task while 
     recognizing that the river has been drastically modified and 
     must continue to meet other human needs for power generation, 
     water supply, recreation, flood control, and commercial 
     navigation.
       The Opinion contains most of the operating and habitat 
     rehabilitation objectives contained in an alternative 
     submitted by the MRNRC in August, 1999, for the Corps of 
     Engineers' Missouri River Master Manual Environmental Impact 
     Statement Review and Study and in a white paper we developed 
     in 1997 (Restoration of Missouri River Ecosystem Functions 
     and Habitats). These objectives include higher spawning flow 
     releases from Fort Peck and Gavins Point Dams in the spring, 
     warmer water releases from Fort Peck Dam through the spring 
     and summer, lower flows below Gavins Point Dam in the summer, 
     unbalancing of reservoir storage (annual rotation of high, 
     stable, and lower reservoir storage levels among the big 
     three reservoirs), restoration of shallow water aquatic 
     habitat in the channelized river reaches, and restoration of 
     emergent sandbar habitat in least tern and piping

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     plover nesting areas, all of which have been advocated for 
     many years by the MRNRC.
       The MRNRC also commented on and supported the draft 
     Biological Opinion. A copy of that letter is enclosed. The 
     final Opinion is responsive to our comments on the draft. We 
     are especially pleased to see the commitment to include our 
     agencies in the Agency Coordination Team process for fine-
     tuning and implementing management actions identified in the 
     Opinion. I am also enclosing a copy of the 1997 white paper 
     and a brochure which explains the function of the MRNRC. I 
     hope this letter and accompanying materials clarify the views 
     of professional biologists responsible for Missouri River 
     fish and wildlife. Please do not hesitate to contact me (712-
     336-1714) if we can be of further help in this regard.
           Sincerely,

                                              Thomas Gengerke,

                                                      MRNRC Chair,
                             Iowa Department of Natural Resources.

  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Nevada.
  Mr. REID. If the Senator from Missouri will yield for a brief 
statement.
  While the leader is here, I want to say this is legislation that is 
best. The provision in the bill could have been a benchmark for a lot 
of confusion and derision, but the staffs involved, because of all the 
concern for the river, sat down and did something constructive. I, 
personally, as well as Senator Domenici, appreciate this very much. 
This avoids a contentious fight. Because of the good heads of the staff 
and the wisdom of the Senators involved, we have resolved a very 
contentious issue. Senator Domenici and I are very thankful.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Missouri.
  Mrs. CARNAHAN. Mr. President, I thank my colleague for that eloquent 
and enthusiastic support for a solution to the problem we have worked 
on for so many years. I love the opportunity to work with him in being 
able to find that solution.
  Today, I want to speak about an issue that is important to the people 
of Missouri. As you see, my State lies at the confluence of these two 
great rivers, the Missouri and the Mississippi. The rise and the fall 
of these rivers has a tremendous effect on Missouri, on its agriculture 
and recreation and environment and economy.
  The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has proposed to shift the flow of 
the Missouri River so that more water passes through our State in the 
spring and less in the summer. It is called the spring rise. If this 
proposal goes into effect, it could have devastating consequences, 
including increased likelihood of flooding and the shutdown of the 
barge industry on the Missouri.
  The energy and water appropriations bill being considered by the 
Senate contains language that would prohibit the Army Corps of 
Engineers from expediting the schedule to finalize revisions to the 
master manual that governs waterflow on the Missouri River. In effect, 
this provision would ensure that the decision regarding the flow of the 
river would not be made until 2003.
  While I welcome that language as a temporary stopgap for Missouri, it 
is not enough to protect Missourians or other downstream States, for 
without additional action by Congress, it is virtually certain that the 
Corps of Engineers will adopt the Fish and Wildlife Service's 
recommendation for spring rise. That is a condition that will do great 
harm to Missouri and other users of the Missouri and Mississippi 
Rivers.
  The Bond-Carnahan amendment strengthens the bill to provide greater 
protections for Missourians. It would allow the Corps to propose 
alternatives to assist the recovery of endangered species, but it would 
not preclude the Corps from adopting the Fish and Wildlife Service's 
proposal for spring rise.
  Just 8 years ago, Missourians faced one of the worst floods in their 
history. The water crested almost 50 feet over the normal level. Entire 
neighborhoods were washed away and damage estimates ran into the 
billions. This year, we saw communities up and down the river battling 
against floodwaters once again.
  I cannot believe that a government agency would contemplate an action 
that would put Missourians and residents of other downstream States at 
risk of even more flooding.
  The proposal is to release huge amounts of water from Gavins Point, 
SD, in the spring when the risk of flooding is already high. It takes 
10 to 11 days for water from Gavins Point to reach St. Louis. What 
would happen if we received an unexpected heavy rainfall after the 
water had been released from Gavins Point? The answer is simple. 
Missourians would face a severe flood. Even the Corps admits that would 
be the case. That is an unacceptable risk.
  The change would also damage the region's economy. The barge industry 
contributes as much as $200 million to our economy and would be 
severely hurt by the low river levels that would occur in the summer. 
The economic benefits to upstream users, approximately $65 to $85 
million, pales in comparison.
  We must also factor in the value of barge traffic on the Mississippi 
River. The proposed low summer flow would bring barge traffic to a near 
halt for at least 2 months during the summer at that area known as the 
bottleneck region of the Mississippi River. This is the portion of the 
river that stretches just south of the confluence of the Missouri and 
Mississippi Rivers, to Cairo, IL. The bottleneck needs the higher 
Missouri River flow to sustain barge traffic.
  The disruption caused by this proposal would jeopardize 100 million 
tons of Mississippi River barge traffic which generates $12 to $15 
billion in annual revenue.

  Finally, there is no reason to believe that the Fish and Wildlife 
Service proposal will do anything to help endangered species. The 
Service claims that its recommended plan will benefit the pallid 
sturgeon below Gavins Point, but it provides no supporting evidence 
that any of the claimed benefits will be realized. In fact, the Service 
admits, in its own Biological Opinion, that enormous gaps exist in our 
knowledge of the needs of the pallid sturgeon. Furthermore, the 
Biological Opinion notes that commercial harvesting of sturgeon is 
allowed in five States.
  If that is the case, I would think it would be more appropriate for 
the Service to halt the commercial harvesting, rather than risk severe 
flood and shut down barge traffic, all for unproven benefits to the 
sturgeon.
  I am also not convinced that the Fish and Wildlife Service plan will 
accomplish the goal of helping two bird species: the interior least 
tern and the piping plover. In fact, many experts believe that the 
higher reservoir levels upstream resulting from the Service's proposal 
could actually harm these birds and their habitat at a critical point 
in the year. Fluctuations in the river level could also greatly disrupt 
nesting burdens below Gavins Dam. The Service's Biological Opinion 
fails to address the consequences of these unnatural changes.
  There are better ways to ensure the continued healthy existence of 
these species. After the pallid sturgeon was added to the Federal 
endangered species list in 1990, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 
formed the pallid sturgeon recovery team to rebuild the fish's 
dwindling numbers. The Missouri Department of Conservation joined this 
effort by working with commercial fishermen to obtain several wild 
sturgeon from the lower part of the Mississippi River. In 1992, the 
Department successfully spawned female pallid sturgeons, which has 
since lead to the production of thousands of 10- to 12-inch sturgeon 
for stocking. The pallid sturgeon had never been spawned in captivity, 
but the Department developed certain techniques to do so. The fish were 
then released into the rivers.
  Before the release, the Missouri Department of Conservation tagged 
them for tracking purposes. They have since been amazed at the number 
of reported sightings of the tagged fish, which has surpassed anything 
they anticipated.
  If we are dedicated to preserving these species, we can do so through 
efforts such as those carried out in Missouri.
  In recent years, this has become a partisan issue. It should not be. 
Some say it is an environmental issue. It is not. The environmental 
benefits of a spring rise are totally unproven.
  Some say it is an economic issue. It is not. On balance, it would 
harm our economy. This is an issue of fairness. It is not fair to 
expose Missourians and other downstream residents to severe flooding, 
economic loss, and potential environmental destruction.
  Our amendment, the Bond-Carnahan amendment, will ensure fairness for 
everyone who shares these rivers. I urge its adoption.

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  Mr. President, I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from South Dakota.
  Mr. JOHNSON. Mr. President, I commend and applaud the work of Senator 
Carnahan and Senator Bond on crafting this amendment. We have been at a 
gridlock state on the master manual development now for many years. 
Senator Carnahan's work to try to break that gridlock ought to be 
applauded.
  Last year, as many recall, this bill wound up being vetoed by 
President Clinton over this very issue. For years it has been an all-
or-nothing struggle between upstream and downstream States over the 
management of the Missouri River. I think we may be moving ahead more 
constructively now, thanks to a more thoughtful approach being taken in 
this body.
  The Missouri River is of utterly profound consequences to my home 
State of South Dakota. It divides the State in two, an East River and 
West River, as we say in South Dakota. It is central to the economy of 
the State. It is the corridor by which settlers came to Dakota 
territory. This Senator grew up on the Missouri River. My hometown is a 
college town situated on a bluff overlooking the Missouri River. Its 
welfare is of great concern to my State. It is of great concern to me 
personally.

  My colleague, Senator Daschle, noted that the Missouri River has been 
referred to as ``America's most endangered river.'' I appreciate that 
could be the criteria you might happen to choose to apply, but, 
nonetheless, the Missouri River has gone through a great many changes 
from its pristine early days--largely impounded at least in the upper 
stretches of the river behind huge earthen dams, channelized in other 
stretches, and barge traffic.
  In my home community of Vermilion, it remains as about as close to 
what Lewis and Clark saw as any stretch that remains. But that is only 
for a stretch of some 60 or 70 miles.
  This river remains of enormous consequence. The management of the 
river has always been a matter of great import. For 40 or 50 years now, 
the existing master manual--the rules for the management of the river 
that guides the Corps of Engineers--has been in place. When the Pick-
Sloan plan was implemented and these larger earthen dams were 
constructed, they were constructed with multiple purposes--flood 
control for South Dakota and for our downstream neighbors as well; 
energy production; and they remain a great source of hydroelectricity 
for our State and throughout the region; recreation certainly; barge 
traffic; and drinking and irrigation purposes.
  The thought at the time was that these huge bodies of water would be 
used for massive irrigation development through the Dakotas, and that 
there would then, in turn, be a need for reliable barge traffic to haul 
this amount of grain from the heartland and the Dakotas downstream. For 
many reasons, irrigation never happened--at least not on a large scale. 
We have moved on from the irrigation that was envisioned.
  The Missouri River is used as a significant source of drinking water. 
In the meantime, recreation, fish, and wildlife purposes have become 
paramount on the Missouri River. Although it is a far, far small 
industry than it was originally thought, it is of no one's interest to 
unnecessarily drive the barge industry out of existence. It still plays 
an important role in a much smaller way than was originally thought. 
But, nonetheless, it plays an important role, and to the degree that we 
can preserve it, that is well and good. But I think there is a very 
strong consensus that the vision for the Missouri Valley that existed 
at the time of the Pick-Sloan plan was envisioned and then implemented 
is much changed.
  This master manual no longer serves the interest and no longer 
reflects the contemporary economic realities of the Missouri River--
certainly in the upstream reaches of the river but downstream as well.
  It is the responsibility of the Corps of Engineers to proceed with 
the study, public input, and with the science that goes into at long 
last a revamping of the master manual. Up until now, we have been 
caught up in the question of should we revise the manual or should we 
not revise the manual.
  Now, at least in this body, there is an agreement that, yes, the 
manual should and needs to be revised. It should be done in a careful 
manner. I am pleased that we have gotten over that hurdle. That hurdle 
still remains in the other body, the House of Representatives, but I 
think as the Senate approaches this issue in a more thoughtful and 
wiser fashion, it is important for the Corps to take the best 
biological science available from the Fish and Wildlife Service.
  It is also important for the Corps to listen to those who have 
concerns about flooding. It is important for the Corps to listen to 
those concerned about energy production. Our rural electrics, and 
public power in particular, have a great concern about levels of energy 
production from these hydrodams. This year more than most, we have had 
a lesser amount of waterflow from the head waters of the Missouri than 
in past years. In fact, our water levels are down this year in any 
event regardless of the master manual. That remains of concern.
  We have endangered species. We have a great recreation and wildlife 
industry on the Missouri River. Much of it has been at risk because of 
the unreliability of the waterflows on the river and the lack of 
consideration given to this huge industry, the recreation and wildlife 
industry. In fact, every dollar's worth far exceeds that of the barge 
industry that has been there for so long.
  We have concerns about erosion. We have concerns about the supply of 
drinking water on the Missouri River. We have concerns about the health 
of the Missouri River itself. Steps need to be taken to restore this 
river to the grand status that it once had.
  I am pleased we are taking this step today. This does not mean that 
Fish and Wildlife's views will be ignored, or that the ultimate plan 
developed by the Corps of Engineers will be contrary to what the Fish 
and Wildlife Service wishes. But it does suggest that there are other 
perspectives that ought to be considered as well, and that the Corps 
will proceed, that they will move forward finally, at last, with the 
revision of the master manual--one that I hope will more fully reflect 
the contemporary economic and environmental realities of the Missouri 
River.
  It is my hope again that as we proceed on with this bill--again, my 
commendation to Senator Reid, our friend from Nevada, and Senator 
Domenici, our friend from New Mexico, who have done such great work on 
this bill as a whole--we will proceed with an excellent piece of 
legislation, so that when we reach a conference circumstance with the 
other body, the views of the Senate on this critical issue will, in 
fact, prevail.
  I yield the floor.
  Mr. HARKIN. Mr. President, the Missouri River is a tremendous 
resource for the Midwest. It is used for recreation and for 
transportation. It supplies water for drinking, for irrigation, to cool 
power plants, and it can, at times provide far too much water resulting 
in flooding, hurting many farmers and sometimes communities as a whole.
  It is also the home for a wide variety of wildlife, providing 
excellent hunting and fishing opportunities. It has many beautiful 
views to be enjoyed by all. And it is the habitat for a number of 
species that, unfortunately, appear to be in very serious difficulty, 
endangered.
  I believe we have a responsibility to protect endangered and 
threatened species, and I take that responsibility very seriously. And, 
I take the needs of my constituents to minimize flooding, to maximize 
the benefits of barge traffic and to use the areas along the river for 
good hunting and fishing very seriously as well.
  The Corps of Engineers which manages the large dams on the river is 
charged with a number of legislative purposes such as navigation, flood 
control, recreation and environmental remediation and enhancement. And, 
many of those responsibilities are in regular conflict. Doing more to 
promote one priority can and regularly does hurt another priority. Few 
Members are happy with the Corps in this balancing effort. I understand 
lots of Corps officials are not happy with the Corps either at times.
  Under the Endangered Species Act, passed in the early 1970s just 
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top priority. And, I strongly support that goal. It is often a 
difficult task. We so often know so little and, at times, can be so 
very wrong. But we should work in a determined manner to help species 
that are endangered.
  In this case, the Fish and Wildlife Service has issued a biological 
opinion of what they think is the best course of action. Is it the best 
path to take? Under the law, there is a process that the Corps is 
supposed to follow in making the determination of what they will do to 
move forward towards saving the endangered species. It is a long 
process. But, as the language already in the bill notes, under its 
timetable, the Corps is more than a year away from coming to a final 
``record of decision'' and then more months away from that decision's 
implementation.
  I believe that the Corps needs to very carefully consider the input 
it gets during that time. Many, including the state governments, 
learned professors, organizations representing many sides, have a great 
deal of resources and expertise. I feel that the comment period is not 
supposed to be for show, or to allow people to vent. I believe that it 
should be an opportunity for people to not only forcefully note their 
interest, but for those with the capability to propose creative 
solutions, solutions that can both do more to help the endangered 
species and more to maintain the historic priorities of the Corps.
  Do I know what that solution is? No. Is there such a solution? I 
don't know.
  I did propose increasing funding in this measure to increase sandbars 
of benefit to birds and towards slow moving water which I am told will 
help the endangered fish. And, the committee placed a portion of that 
funding in the bill. But, I am certainly not sure that it will be 
effective. A Senator is constantly listening to experts who may or may 
not be correct.
  I believe the Corps is responsible for truly sifting through all of 
the ideas and taking the best and melding them, to do what it can to 
find the best path. Some say the Fish and Wildlife Service has already 
spoken--period. This is only correct to a point. Yes, they have spoken, 
but that does not mean that they can't learn about new options and 
become aware of more information that can, with an open mind, lead to 
different alternatives.
  Last year, I opposed Senator Bond's amendment because it simply 
precluded under all circumstances one type of action from being used 
that might help endangered species. I understand his strong concerns 
about a spring rise that his proposal of last year was designed to 
prevent under all circumstances. I certainly have considerable doubts 
about the logic of the Fish and Wildlife Service's proposed spring 
rise. But, frankly, I believe that the best path is not to 
legislatively say: No, this option shall be excluded. The best path is 
for knowledgeable parties to propose better alternatives to be 
considered on their merits.
  Frankly, I also was told that last year's amendment would have 
quickly resulted in a strong lawsuit, with a likely judgement that the 
restrictions on the Corps to implement a spring rise would violate the 
Endangered Species Act. My fear was that a Federal judge, instead of 
the Corps would have replaced the Corp of Engineers.
  Today's amendment is a balanced one. Under the already existing 
language of the bill, clearly, the process is not going to come to a 
final judgement in the coming year. The amendment adds to that reality, 
saying to the Corps: look at the need of the endangered species, look 
at the many purposes of the river. Listen to those who come to testify 
and to provide meritorious input. And, put together some options.
  Ideally, the Corps will do just that. And, a year from now, 
hopefully, something will be presented that provides for the protection 
of the endangered species and the many benefits that are derived from 
its flowing waters.
  Mr. President, I am pleased that I was able to help develop this 
language which has genuine balance.
  Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, last year, Mr. Daschle and I fought hard 
against efforts to halt the progress of the new Missouri River Master 
Manual. As my distinguished colleague from South Dakota pointed out 
both last year and this year, the Missouri River is a river in jeopardy 
and the manual is long overdue for a revision.
  We need a more balanced management of this river system, a balance 
that will, among other things, give more weight to the use of the water 
for recreation upstream, at places like Fort Peck reservoir in Montana. 
Under the current river operations, there are times when the lake has 
been drawn down so low that boat ramps are a mile or more from the 
water's edge, all to send water downstream to support the barge 
industry. Recreation is vital to the eastern Montana economy and to 
economies of other upper Missouri states. It's time the Army Corps' 
management practices reflected that reality.
  This year, one of the worst water years in my State's history, the 
problems started back in March and April. The Corps told me their hands 
were tied by the old manual as to how much they could protect lake 
levels at Ft. Peck and at other upstream Missouri reservoirs--in short, 
they had to keep letting water out even though lake levels were 
dropping fast.
  Which is why I applaud Senator Bond's decision to search for 
compromise because we all want a solution to this problem. We all want 
to make sure the river is managed in the best way possible. Mr. Bond 
has come forward with an amendment that will allow the Corps 
flexibility to work towards that goal. Mr. Reid and Mr. Domenici agreed 
to language in the Energy and Water bill that will make sure the Corps 
won't accelerate this process, and that a decision on a new master 
manual won't be made until 2003. The Corps now has breathing room to do 
what's right for the Missouri River, for upstream and downstream 
interests and for fish and wildlife. After more than 50 years, it's 
about time.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. Mr. President, I strongly urge my colleagues to support 
the Bond-Carranhan-Grassley amendment to the energy and water 
appropriations bill. This amendment will allow the Secretary of the 
Army to propose alternatives to the decision mandated by the last 
administration which will unquestionably increase flood risk and limit 
barge travel on the lower Missouri and Mississippi Rivers.
  If we do not correct the ill-informed position that was shoved down 
our throats last year by the previous administration, landowners in 
Iowa along the Missouri River will face the threat of increased 
flooding. Thanks to a few of my colleagues that have obviously never 
been over to Freemont, Mills, Pottawattamie, Harrison, or Monona 
counties in Iowa, just to name a few, we have let an issue that was 
decided for political gain put lives and livelihoods at risk.
  This is not a new issue. Provisions to limit significant changes in 
flow had been placed in five previous appropriations bills by my 
distinguished colleague from Missouri, Senator Bond. Each of these 
bills had been signed into law by the last administration, except for 
the legislation last year. Last year a few members let special interest 
groups drive the agenda and place my constituents in harm's way. It was 
not acceptable then and it is not acceptable now.
  Senator Bond's amendment will allow the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers 
to propose alternatives to achieve species recovery other than those 
specifically prescribed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service plan to 
increase releases of water from Missouri River dams in the spring. 
Majority Leader Daschle championed the Fish and Wildlife Service's 
position last year which will eventually result in significant flooding 
downstream given the heavy rains that are usually experienced in my, 
and other downstream states during that time.
  Last year our opposition described their position as a ``slight 
revision'' to increase spring flows, known as ``spring rise'' once 
every three years. They emphasized, ``not every year, but once every 
three''. When they emphasized that point I guess I'm wondering whether 
that somehow makes it better or excusable to risk the lives and the 
livelihood of Iowans and other Americans living on the Missouri once 
out of every three years instead of every year.
  This issue is exactly what is wrong with our representative 
government. How many times have we heard about special interests having 
too much influence and the decisions that are being made not 
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How many Americans would view increasing the flow of the river to scour 
sandbars more important than protecting life and livelihood. There 
might be a few, and I realize as hard as this is to believe, there were 
45 in the Senate last year. But if we could let the American people 
vote, I bet they would feel protecting Americans is more important than 
scouring sandbars.
  The opposition's approach is a terribly risky scheme. Keep in mind 
that it takes 8 days for water to travel from Gavins Point to the mouth 
of the Missouri. Unanticipated downstream storms can make a 
``controlled release'' a deadly flood inflicting a widespread 
destruction. There are many small communities along the Missouri River 
in Iowa. Why should they face increased risk for flooding and its 
devastation? They should not.
  Equally unacceptable is the low-flow summer release schedule. A so-
called split navigation season would be catastrophic to the 
transportation of Iowa grain. In effect, the Missouri River will be 
shut-down to barge traffic during a good portion of the summer. It will 
also have a disastrous effect on the transportation of steel to Iowa 
steel mills, construction materials and farm inputs such as fertilizer 
along the Missouri.
  Opponents of common sense argue that a spring flood is necessary for 
species protection under the Endangered Species Act, and that grain and 
other goods can be transported to market by railroad. I do not accept 
that argument.
  I believe that there is significant difference of opinion whether or 
not a spring flood will benefit pallid sturgeon, the interior least 
tern, or the piping plover. In fact, the Corps has demonstrated that it 
can successfully create nesting habitat for the birds through 
mechanical means so there would be little need to scour the sandbars. 
Further, it is in dispute among biologists whether or not a flood can 
create the necessary habitat for sturgeon.
  This is why it is important to allow the Secretary to propose 
alternatives to achieve the same goals without the same deadly, ruinous 
side effects.
  One thing I do know for sure is that loss of barge traffic would 
deliver the western part of America's grain belt into the monopolistic 
hands of the railroads. Without question, grain transportation prices 
would drastically increase with disastrous results to on farm income.
  Every farmer in Iowa knows that the balance in grain transportation 
is competition between barges and railroads. This competition keeps 
both means of transportation honest. This competition keeps 
transportation prices down and helps to give the Iowa farmer a better 
financial return on the sale of his grain. This competition helps to 
make the grain transportation system in America the most efficient and 
cost effective in the world. It is crucial in keeping American grain 
competitively priced in the world market. The Corps itself has 
estimated that barge competition reduces rail rates along the Missouri 
by $75-$200 million annually.
  If a drought hits during the split navigation season, there will be 
even less water flowing along the Missouri unless we make this 
necessary change. Low flow will also significantly inhibit navigation 
along the Mississippi River. We cannot let this happen.
  Less water flowing in the late summer will also affect hydroelectric 
rates. Decreased flow means less power generation and higher electric 
rates for Iowans who depend upon this power source. This is not the 
time to be increasing the price of energy. In my opinion, the last 
administration already accomplished increasing energy costs to the 
breaking point for consumers, now it is time to start bringing those 
rates down.
  The corngrowers summed it up best last year when they stated, ``an 
intentional spring rise is an unwarranted, unscientific assault on 
farmers and citizens throughout the Missouri River Basin. 
``Unfortunately, the past administration felt sandbars were more 
important than citizens. Let's fix this. I urge my colleagues to 
support the Bond-Carnahan-Grassley amendment. Vote for common sense.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Mexico is recognized.
  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, I thank you. I will be very brief.
  I remind the Senate how important this Missouri River issue is and 
was. First of all, I am very grateful to hear that it is going to get 
resolved, which I understand to be the case. I haven't seen the 
language yet, but obviously there are very good Senators who have a 
more genuine interest than this Senator. So it will be right.
  But last year, believe it or not, this entire bill that we are 
talking about was put at risk because Senator Bond sought to protect 
the river. An amendment passed, which I supported, that made the entire 
energy and water bill subject to that amendment with reference to not 
moving ahead too fast with the new ideas. It had a veto threat with it.
  Believe it or not, since 1979, I think is the case, energy and water 
types of appropriations bills had never been vetoed. So we put at risk 
all the things that are needed in this bill and said we would take it. 
If the President vetoes it, we will find a way to pass the bill one way 
or another.
  The reason I state that is because, obviously, the issue is a very 
important one. It brought down this entire energy and water 
appropriations bill.
  Incidentally, we found a way to fix it. It became an issue. I am 
hopeful that today it remains an issue, and that, with this amendment 
which has been spoken to and about by those who are Missouri River 
affected, we will end up with something that is really an achievement.
  Last year, I wondered--it is a very important bill--whether it was 
worth putting the entire bill at risk of a veto. My good friend, 
Senator Bond, who is now joined by others--and I compliment them all--
told me: It is a worthwhile thing to do, Senator. I don't like putting 
your entire bill at risk--the one I happened to have managed then; the 
one I am ranking member of now--but I willingly did it, and I think 
that had ultimately a bit to do with resolving this issue in a better 
way. Because the Senate did find out it was a very serious issue and 
that they would put it at risk, with a veto pen, with reference to the 
issues between the river people and the professional Federal 
bureaucracies and the environmentalists. Hopefully, it has been worked 
out in an amendment that will be agreed to today.
  I compliment everybody who has worked on it. I can see the fine hand 
of the majority leader. I can see other Senators from the other side of 
the aisle who got together to do it. I must, with all respect, 
compliment Senator Kit Bond for not giving up and for his tenaciousness 
last year in seeing to it that we, as a Senate, understood that some of 
our Government people were busy about changing things and that we ought 
to get ourselves involved.
  Normally, we would not like to get involved, but we did. Today, 
perhaps, within an hour or so, we will end this issue with a 
compromise, which will mean we will not have anyone objecting, and 
everyone--whether they are so-called river people or environmental 
people or commerce interests--will all agree that their Senators have 
done a yeoman's job.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Johnson). The Chair recognizes the Senator 
from North Dakota.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, while I understand the reason the 
amendment was put in the energy and water bill, and understand the 
reason that there has been discussion about a modification of it that 
the majority leader says he will accept, nonetheless, let me say that I 
would prefer that we not have this issue in this bill, that the 
revision of the master manual on the management of the Missouri River 
has been going on a long, long time--far too long.
  For 12 years the Corps of Engineers has been wrestling with this 
issue of how to revise the master manual to manage the Missouri River. 
For 12 years it has been ongoing. The root of all of these amendments 
has been to try to continue to stall.
  Let me describe why this is an important issue from the perspective 
of those of us who live in the upstream States. We have a flood in the 
state of North Dakota--a flood that came and stayed a manmade, 
permanent flood. It is the size of the State of Rhode Island. It 
visited North Dakota in the 1950s.
  Why did that happen? Because this Missouri River--this wonderful 
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miles of wild and interesting river--was causing a lot of problems for 
a lot of people in some springs. On some occasions during the 
springtime, those downstream reaches of the Missouri River would have 
an awful flood. You could not play softball in the parks of St. Louis 
in the spring because the Missouri River had gone over its banks and 
caused substantial flooding. It was true, for a substantial portion of 
the Missouri River. And for flood control, and other reasons, it was 
decided that there ought to be a plan to see if they could harness, 
somehow, this river called the Missouri River.
  A man named Lewis Pick and a man named Glenn Sloan put together a 
plan, as you might guess, called the Pick-Sloan plan of the 1940s. As 
almost anyone who knows anything about the river understands, the Pick-
Sloan plan was a mechanism by which they would harness the forces of 
the Missouri River and create six main stem dams. One of those dams was 
in North Dakota, at the time, the world's largest, earth-filled dam. It 
was dedicated by President Eisenhower. It flooded 500,000 acres of 
North Dakota land. It created a manmade, permanent flood the size of 
Rhode Island in the middle of our State.

  One might ask the question, Why would North Dakotans, in the 1950s, 
say: All right, you can do that. You can come to our State and create a 
Rhode Island-sized flood? I will tell you the answer to that. The 
answer to that was, the Pick-Sloan plan was a plan that said: What we 
would like to do is provide some benefits for everyone. Downstream, we 
provide the benefits of flood control, the benefits of perhaps 
achieving more stable navigation opportunities. Upstream, you have the 
opportunity to have a substantial shoreline for the recreation, 
fishing, and tourism industries. And then, in addition, and more 
importantly, what we will do for you upstream is to take from this huge 
body of water the ability to move water around your State, something 
called Garrison Diversion. And by the way, you can use that water to 
irrigate 1 million acres in your State.
  So those were the costs and the benefits. Our cost? Our cost was the 
one-half million acre flood that came and stayed forever.
  Now we have the cost. Take a plane and fly over it, and you will find 
the cost. It is there. That big old body of water is there. So we have 
a permanent flood. As a result of that permanent flood, some of the 
folks downstream do not get flooded in the spring. And some of those 
wonderful cities downstream in the springtime, late in the day, when 
the shafts of sunlight come through the leaves or trees, they can gear 
up and play a good softball game because there is no flooding. Good for 
them. That is their benefit. They have the benefits. We have the flood. 
But we never got the rest of what was promised to us.
  But in addition to all of that, the master manual by which the river 
is managed was created in a way that said to the Corps of Engineers, 
here are the things we want to do with this river. And then the Corps 
of Engineers went about managing to what they thought was written in 
the master manual. And they have always insisted, notwithstanding the 
fact that the Government Accounting Office, and others, that have 
studied this have said they are wrong, that the issues of recreation 
and fishing and tourism--the industries that have spawned upstream, the 
industries that have spawned in my State--are somehow of lesser 
consequence to barge traffic and flood control downstream.
  So as a result of all of that, there has been discussion about the 
need to revise the master manual. In 1989, we began to have the Corps 
of Engineers work to revise the master manual.
  No one in America has ever accused the Corps of Engineers of 
speeding, and I expect they never will. It is as slow and as 
bureaucratic an organization as there is. But 12 years to revise the 
master manual? Twelve years? I don't think so. That is not reasonable. 
Yet here we are today. We do not have a master manual revision. And we 
have propositions that need to be delayed further. There needs to be 
intervals that are artificially created.
  Let me say this about the states that are involved. We have had a 
group called the Missouri River Basin Association--eight States, all of 
which harbor the Missouri River. All of these States are enriched by 
the presence of the Missouri River. These eight States together have 
tried to work on plans about how one would manage the Missouri River 
and what kind of a master manual plan one would develop.

  Seven of the eight States have reached agreement. One has not. Seven 
of the eight States have reached an agreement, and one will not. Can 
anyone guess which State is outside of the seven? The only State among 
the eight States that said, no, we will not agree? That is right, the 
state of Missouri.
  Compromise is important. Compromise is an art. But it is not just in 
this Senate Chamber. In the Missouri Basin Association, there is not 
the ability to compromise on the fundamental issue of how you rewrite 
the master manual with respect to the Missouri River.
  I have talked a little about the Rhode Island-sized flood that came 
and stayed in my State. Let me talk for a moment about this river.
  Lewis and Clark went up that river. In the years 1804, 1805, they 
took keelboats and went up that river. It is a fascinating story. My 
colleague from South Dakota mentioned just a bit of it, but the story 
is really quite remarkable. Captain Lewis, Mr. Clark, and one of the 
world's great expeditions--what a remarkable thing they did.
  Thomas Jefferson actually, with an appropriation of $2,000 that was 
not disclosed, enlisted Captain Lewis to begin this bold venture. He 
told them: When you get to St. Louis, charge what you need for your 
venture and sign a requisition to the Federal Government, and we will 
pay for it. He purchased keelboats. He purchased a whole series of 
things. In fact, in St. Louis, he purchased 110 gallons of whiskey. 
Think of what they would make of that today. Requisition that to the 
U.S. Government.
  So he left St. Louis with this band of men, his keelboats, his 110 
gallons of whiskey, and so many other things to enrich that trip, and 
they went up the Missouri River. According to their journals, they saw 
their first grizzly bear when they got to what is now Williston, ND. 
They even made notes in their journals about the mosquitoes they 
encountered. You can encounter some of those same mosquitoes or 
relatives of them.

  They wintered near where the city of Washburn, ND, now exists, and 
spent the winter with the Mandan Indians. Here is what the description 
of that river was and is by Mr. Clark and others: ``A tawny, restless, 
brawling flood,'' one observer scribbled about the Missouri River. ``It 
makes farming as fascinating as gambling; you never know whether you 
are going to harvest corn or catfish.'' What an apt description of that 
wonderful river.
  William Clark, who braved that wilderness, admired the lush swaths of 
oak, ash, and cottonwood on the Missouri's floodplain. He said: It is 
``one of the most butifill Plains I ever Saw, open and butifully 
diversified.'' ``No other river was ever so dead-set against being 
navigated,'' another Missouri watcher wrote.
  This river is unique, remarkable, and wonderful in many ways. But the 
river has suffered. The people who make a living on that river and near 
that river have suffered as well. We have not done right by that river. 
We have created the six main stem dams, and a whole series of things 
have intervened in the way the river is managed. They have upset the 
ecosystem. They have caused a series of problems for plants and for 
animals and for mankind.
  We can do better. That is the purpose of this issue of rewriting the 
master manual. It is said that rewriting the master manual will mean 
that less attention will be paid to downstream barge traffic. The 
downstream barge traffic is a minnow compared to the upstream tourism, 
recreation, and fishing industries, which are a whale. We are talking 
about less than $10 million compared to nearly $80 million in terms of 
impact. Yet the Corps of Engineers manages this river as if the 
downstream barge traffic is some colossus. It is not. It is a 
relatively small amount of economic activity that has been shrinking.
  Upstream, the interest in recreation, tourism and fishing has been 
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as if it was yesterday in terms of economic circumstances and 
consequences. That is wrong.
  I have heard the discussions today about the spring rise and split 
navigation, all the myths about that. The fact is, even with the spring 
rise, most of the navigation traffic would be unaffected, the 
downstream reaches. Even with the proposed change in the master manual, 
and managing this river the way it ought to be managed, 99 percent of 
the flood protection would be available to downstream States.
  Some of us have exhausted our patience. We get all the cost and 
virtually none of the benefits upstream. Downstream gets all the 
benefits and almost none of the cost. Somehow they have said to us: By 
the way, we love having the Missouri River run through our cities, but 
we don't want the inconvenience of having spring floods. We don't want 
to interrupt the softball games in the middle of our cities. They build 
a flood up north and you have the flood forever. And by the way, when 
we are short of water, we want your water. And when we have too much, 
we want you to store it because we want you to be the reservoir that 
takes all of the cost all of the time.
  Sometimes you almost think that what we really ought to do, if they 
don't appreciate the flood control downstream and they don't appreciate 
the benefits they have received, maybe we ought to just dump those dams 
out of there and let that water go where it will. Then see if maybe we 
do have a master manual that manages this river in a manner that is 
sensible. Maybe everyone will understand there is a ``balance'' between 
the interests of the downstream and the upstream States.

  In most cases, one would be able to resolve this in a pretty 
thoughtful way. Frankly, the Missouri River Basin Association has some 
pretty good people from every State of the eight States involved who 
have worked pretty hard on this issue. Seven of the eight States have 
pretty much reached agreement on how to resolve it. One State has not. 
That is the State of Missouri.
  One would hope that perhaps in that venue, and perhaps also here in 
the Senate, we might find reasonable compromise to understand that the 
balance between cost and benefits of downstream and upstream States is 
something that ought to be a true balance.
  Again, this issue is critically important to us. Our future relates 
to economic development. Economic development relates to water 
opportunities. If you don't have water, you don't have development. It 
is that simple. We have the development around this flood that came and 
stayed forever in our State, the development of an aggressive, vibrant 
group of industries--fishing, tourism, recreation, that of the 
downstream navigation interests. Yet we are told with this archaic 
management of the river that somehow it really doesn't count for much. 
We are saying that is not right. So there ensues this revision of the 
master manual.
  Then 12 years later, we are still standing here talking about whether 
or not the master manual ought to be completed. Of course, it ought to 
be completed. What on earth can we be thinking about. Twelve years is 
far too long. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves, the Corps and the 
Congress, that it takes more than a few years to revise a master 
manual. Maybe we will give it 5 years. How about 7? Maybe 10 years or 
11. But you can't do it in 12? You need more time than that? What kind 
of thinking exists that says you need more time than 12 years to revise 
a master manual on how to run a river? I hope we don't have to fight a 
war some day if that is the thinking that exists. We ought to be able 
to do this in a sensible way.
  I will not object to what has been offered here. The majority leader 
spoke on behalf of all of us that while he would prefer this issue get 
resolved, and that it is critically important to upstream States, I 
will not object to this amendment. But this issue should not even be 
here. This is not where this issue should be considered. This issue 
should have been behind us, not in front of us. I hope one of these 
days all of the States, all eight States and not just seven in the 
Missouri River Basin Association, will get together and help to resolve 
the balance in terms of how to deal with the intricate, simple, and 
complex issues dealing with the management of the Missouri River.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Nevada.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate vote 
in relation to the Bond amendment No. 1013 at 4:45 p.m. this day, with 
4 minutes for closing debate prior to the vote, equally divided between 
Senators Bond and Daschle or their designees and that no second-degree 
amendment be in order prior to the vote.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. DORGAN. Reserving the right to object, I inquire, has the Bond 
amendment not been accepted or at least is this a controversial 
amendment?
  Mr. REID. No, this is not. From everything we have heard from 
everybody we have heard it from, the answer is no. It is just felt it 
would be appropriate for some to have a vote.
  Mr. DORGAN. So there is a requirement of a recorded vote on a 
noncontroversial amendment.
  Mr. REID. Yes.
  Mr. DORGAN. I do not object.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection? The Senator from New 
Mexico.
  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, I won't object, but I did maybe leave a 
misinterpretation a while ago when I spoke about being pleased that we 
had reached consensus after all of these difficult times, including 
last year. I may have left the impression that there was not going to 
be a vote required. That was not my prerogative. I should not have said 
it. The Senator who is the prime sponsor has indicated he wants a vote. 
We will have one.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, the Senator is absolutely right. There has 
been such significant progress made. This vote is more of a celebration 
of the great progress made. I don't know of anyone who is going to 
object to this vote. There may be someone I don't know. I would say 
this is just a culmination of days and days of deliberations.
  As I indicated earlier, there have been staffs working many hours on 
this matter. I think the vote is more kind of a note of accomplishment, 
and this will be an overwhelmingly positive vote.
  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, actually, I don't know what Senator Bond 
thinks it is, a celebration or whatever. What I understand is that I 
have been around here a while. There are a lot of reasons to seek a 
rollcall vote.
  I have begun the practice of not trying to speculate as to why 
rollcalls are requested. In some situations, I would not ask for them 
and Senators insist on them. Other times, I wonder why they don't 
because it seems to be such a great issue. Senator Bond is entitled to 
his request.
  I yield the floor and have no objection to the unanimous consent.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, we have now a half-hour before the vote, 
approximately. I hope that those who have amendments will come over and 
offer them. I have had conversations with a couple people, and they 
said they were thinking about offering them. I wish they would because 
we have a managers' package we have talked to a number of Senators 
about, and we have a number of issues on which we are working. We are 
not going to do that until we have some end in sight on this 
legislation. If there are issues, bring them over. What we will do at a 
subsequent time, if enough time has gone by and everybody has had an 
opportunity to offer amendments--and we believe there are amendments 
that are no longer vital to be offered if people aren't willing to 
offer them--then we will move to third reading.
  I recognize that I can't do that without the concurrence of the 
Senator from New Mexico; I would not anyway. But that is something we 
can do when we have waited long enough with nothing happening.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Mexico is recognized.

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  Mr. DOMENICI. As I understand it, we entered into an agreement to 
vote on the Bond amendment at a time certain. I now speak to Senators 
on my side of the aisle. We have the list of the kinds of amendments 
people are thinking about. I hope that in the next 2 minutes a Senator 
who has an amendment that he really wants to have us vote on and 
consider for some extended period of time will advise either this 
Senator or Senator Reid because we ought to go on to another amendment 
or two. The Bond amendment will have its vote, and it will be disposed 
of. We need to have something to do. I urge them to consider coming 
down to talk about the amendment they would like to offer.
  I yield the floor.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, I know we are on the energy and water 
appropriations bill. I ask unanimous consent to speak for 10 minutes as 
in morning business with the proviso that if someone shows up and 
wishes to speak on the bill, I will be happy to relinquish the floor.
  The Senator from New Mexico is here, and I know he is anxious for 
people to offer amendments. I say to him that if someone shows up and 
wishes to offer an amendment, I will relinquish the floor and finish my 
statement another time.
  Mr. DOMENICI. I thank the Senator. There may well be someone in 
particular, Senator Bond. I do not want him to have to wait if he 
arrives in the next 10 minutes.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  (The remarks of Mr. Dorgan are printed in today's Record under 
``Morning Business.'')
  Mr. DORGAN. I yield the floor and suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order 
for the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. DASCHLE. Could the Presiding Officer inform the body as to the 
unanimous consent agreement entered into with regard to the final 
comments on the Bond amendment?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. There will be 4 minutes evenly divided and 
proceeding to a vote at 4:45.
  Mr. DASCHLE. Since it is now 4:40, I consulted with the distinguished 
Senator from Missouri, and with his permission I will use my 2 minutes 
and accommodate the Senator's desire to speak to the amendment prior to 
the time we have the vote.
  Let me say what I said a few moments ago for purposes of emphasis. 
No. 1, I support this amendment. I think it, again, is a bona fide 
effort to reach common ground. I attempted to do that. Thanks to the 
distinguished chair and ranking member of the appropriations 
subcommittee, I felt we had done so in a reasonable way.
  Senator Bond goes further and says the Corps of Engineers and the 
Fish and Wildlife Service ought to look at other options beside spring 
rise, and that is certainly appropriate. We have no objections.
  My hope is that we can maintain this position in the final conference 
on the appropriations bill. I hope on a bipartisan basis, given the 
kind of strength this amendment will clearly demonstrate, that we can 
do that.
  Let me just make three points about the issue. The first point is 
that American Rivers and other organizations have singled out the 
Missouri River as the single most endangered river in the country. This 
issue is not just about pallid sturgeons. It is not just about 
endangered species. It is about an endangered river. It is about a 
future for a river that is in great peril.
  Second, this issue is about a master manual that is over four decades 
old, that needs to be revised to recognize how endangered this river 
really is. There has been an extraordinary effort made to find a way to 
recognize the need for change in the way the river has been managed. I 
believe they have done a good job. I believe when the Corps asserts 
they can control 99 percent of the flooding, as they do now, we ought 
to believe them. But I am prepared to go beyond that, to find 
additional ways to accommodate those downstream even though we are 
being flooded out each and every day. There are 200 homes in Pierre, 
SD, that are being flooded out. And the families who own these homes 
are now being moved. So we know about floods.
  Finally, let me say if we do not resolve this issue, the courts will. 
This will be tied up in the courts for a long time to come. We are not 
going to be able to avoid this issue. This issue will be dealt with. It 
will be resolved. The question is, ``Do we do it with Fish and Wildlife 
with the assistance and oversight of the Congress, or do we do it in 
the courts?''
  I hope we can move on and recognize that in spite of our passionate, 
deeply held feelings, it is important for us to find common ground. 
This amendment, in my view, moves us closer to that goal. While we have 
different positions on the issue of how the master manual should be 
written, we certainly do not have different positions on the need to 
resolve this matter.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Missouri.
  Mr. BOND. Mr. President, I thank my cosponsors and others for 
supporting this amendment, which will get us to a final resolution of 
this very important question.
  In response to some of the comments that have been made, the record 
shows in 1952, in the authorization, the projection of tonnage was we 
could have up to 4 million tons on the river by 2010. The latest 
figures I have are we currently move agricultural products on the 
Missouri River equivalent to 45,000 transport trucks, fully loaded, at 
80,000 pounds each. That is about 9 million tons of agricultural 
products moved in a more environmentally friendly and more efficient 
and more economical way.
  With respect to the work we do to enhance conservation, wildlife 
habitat, I note Missouri spends about $141 million on fish and 
wildlife. I outlined in my remarks all the steps we have taken. I hope 
the managers of the bill will find it in their hearts to be able to 
fund the Mississippi and Missouri River Habitat Program that we 
authorized several years ago that enables us to continue to make 
improvements in the river that do not affect the multiple uses of the 
river but make it much more friendly and supportive of the pallid 
sturgeon, the least tern, the piping plover, and other endangered 
species.
  My position is simply that the Government should be preventing 
floods, not forcing floods on people. We have an opportunity to ensure 
good transportation for farmers. We expect, under this new rule, we can 
have the Fish and Wildlife Service and the Corps of Engineers listening 
to the people who are affected and develop a plan that does not force a 
spring rise down our throats, that does not force flooding on the 
Missouri River, that does not take away our potential for hydropower, 
that does not cut off river transportation that is vitally important 
for our farmers.
  I thank all who have worked with us on this amendment. I urge a 
strong vote because I believe this finally puts us on a path, not where 
we are saying you cannot resolve the issue this year, but this outlines 
a procedure that I believe can allow sound science to give us the right 
answer that achieves all of the purposes legislated for the Missouri 
River, including the preservation and recovery of endangered species.
  I ask my colleagues to support this amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The time of the Senator has expired.
  Mr. BOND. Mr. President, I ask for the yeas and nays.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second?
  There is a sufficient second.
  The question is on agreeing to amendment No. 1013.
  The clerk will call the roll.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Nelson of Nebraska). Are there any other 
Senators in the Chamber desiring to vote?

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  The result was announced--yeas 100, nays 0, as follows:

                      [Rollcall Vote No. 237 Leg.]

                               YEAS--100

     Akaka
     Allard
     Allen
     Baucus
     Bayh
     Bennett
     Biden
     Bingaman
     Bond
     Boxer
     Breaux
     Brownback
     Bunning
     Burns
     Byrd
     Campbell
     Cantwell
     Carnahan
     Carper
     Chafee
     Cleland
     Clinton
     Cochran
     Collins
     Conrad
     Corzine
     Craig
     Crapo
     Daschle
     Dayton
     DeWine
     Dodd
     Domenici
     Dorgan
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Ensign
     Enzi
     Feingold
     Feinstein
     Fitzgerald
     Frist
     Graham
     Gramm
     Grassley
     Gregg
     Hagel
     Harkin
     Hatch
     Helms
     Hollings
     Hutchinson
     Hutchison
     Inhofe
     Inouye
     Jeffords
     Johnson
     Kennedy
     Kerry
     Kohl
     Kyl
     Landrieu
     Leahy
     Levin
     Lieberman
     Lincoln
     Lott
     Lugar
     McCain
     McConnell
     Mikulski
     Miller
     Murkowski
     Murray
     Nelson (FL)
     Nelson (NE)
     Nickles
     Reed
     Reid
     Roberts
     Rockefeller
     Santorum
     Sarbanes
     Schumer
     Sessions
     Shelby
     Smith (NH)
     Smith (OR)
     Snowe
     Specter
     Stabenow
     Stevens
     Thomas
     Thompson
     Thurmond
     Torricelli
     Voinovich
     Warner
     Wellstone
     Wyden
  The amendment (No. 1013) was agreed to.
  Mr. BREAUX. Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
  Mr. DURBIN. I move to lay that motion on the table.
  The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
  Mr. REED. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order 
for the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, I understand we are looking for somebody 
to offer an amendment that can be debated tonight and voted on tonight. 
Senator Murkowski is ready to proceed with an amendment. We have one 
scheduled after it, but I will try to determine if we can find some 
additional amendments.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, the majority leader is in the Chamber, if I 
could have his attention.
  Senator Domenici just advised that there was an amendment ready on 
which we could have a vote tonight. I want to say in the presence of 
the majority leader that as the manager of this bill and having heard 
what he has said the last several days, we really need to do more than 
just one amendment. I am glad we are moving forward. I extend my 
appreciation to the Senator from New Mexico. We need to look at 
completing this bill tonight, if it is possible. Would the leader 
agree?
  Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, if the Senator will yield, I appreciate 
very much the work of the chairman and ranking member.
  We have just had a vote on the first amendment offered. We have been 
on the bill all week and the vote was 100-0. I hope we can move to the 
more substantive issues that have to be resolved before we can bring 
the bill to closure. But we will be in later this evening and tomorrow 
and tomorrow evening in order to accommodate Senators who wish to offer 
amendments.
  After this, of course, we still have the Transportation bill that we 
have to bring up. There is a lot of work left to be done for the week. 
If Senators will cooperate and work with us, we can complete our work 
on this bill. This is a very good bill. Senators have done a good deal 
of work to get us to this point. I think it is a fine product, but we 
need cooperation from Senators in order to finish.
  As the Senator from Nevada has noted, we are looking for people who 
can offer amendments. I know the Senator from Alaska is planning to do 
that now. I am hopeful that we can do more of that tonight before we 
complete our work for this evening.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Mexico has the floor.
  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, I yield to the Senator from 
Massachusetts to ask a question.
  Mr. KERRY. I wanted to ask something of the majority leader. It is my 
understanding that the majority leader made it quite clear at the 
beginning of the week that there was an agenda that needed to be 
accomplished if indeed the Senate intended to not be here on Friday. It 
is my understanding that, at the pace we are moving, there is a clarity 
to the fact that unless this changes, we will be here until late Friday 
and all of Monday voting; is that accurate?
  Mr. DASCHLE. The Senator is correct. We will have to be here later 
than normal on Friday afternoon, and we will be here on Monday as well. 
We have no choice. We have to continue our work. This will accommodate 
the consideration of the bills that have to be disposed of.
  Last year, eight appropriations bills had passed by the end of July. 
Thus far, we have only passed one in the Senate. So we have a lot of 
work to do just to catch up with what we did last year. So our effort 
to do that will go unimpeded, and we will do the best we can, given the 
schedule we have. We have a lot of work to do this week.
  Mr. KERRY. I thank the majority leader.
  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, let me state in the presence of the 
majority leader that nobody is more interested in getting the bill 
completed than the Senator from New Mexico. I remember one year when 
this bill was vetoed over an amendment that was debated in this 
Chamber. The distinguished majority leader remembers that. It was a 
pretty onerous situation to veto an entire bill over the Missouri 
River.
  We have not been on this bill very long because if you want to recall 
with me, what happened is you carved out big pieces of time for other 
things during each of the days that this bill has been up, so that on 
Monday we had a little time but no votes; Tuesday, yesterday, we didn't 
start on this bill until after noon, and this morning we finished our 
memorials and started at 11 o'clock.
  So while it may seem that we were here the whole time, we have not 
been on the bill that whole time. This would be a very short number of 
hours. Nonetheless, I will work with our Members, and I don't think 
anybody is intending to delay matters. We just put them off when, in 
fact, we have long lists, wondering who is going first. There are not a 
lot of amendments that people say they want to vote on. There are a lot 
of amendments that are going to be either in the managers' amendment or 
are not going to be taken care of. Senators know that. I will try to 
get two or three more lined up if we can proceed with this one now.

  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska is recognized.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. In the spirit of cooperation, after listening to the 
majority leader, I would be happy if the other side took the amendment 
and we would not need to have a vote. We are willing to do that on this 
side, but not on the other side. I hope after my explanation there will 
be a reconsideration and we will not have to have a vote. However, if 
we don't get accepted, we will press for a vote.


                           Amendment No. 1018

  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, I send an amendment to the desk.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from Alaska [Mr. Murkowski] proposes an 
     amendment numbered 1018.

  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that further 
reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The amendment is as follows:

    (Purpose: To provide grants and fellowships for energy industry 
  workforce training and to monitor energy industry workforce trends)

       On page 12, line 19, strike ``$732,496,000'' and insert 
     ``$722,496,000''.
       On page 19, line 2, strike ``$3,268,816,000, to remain 
     available until expended.'' and insert ``$3,278,816,000, to 
     remain available until expended: Provided, That $10,000,000 
     shall be provided to fund grant and fellowship programs in 
     the appropriate offices of the Department of Energy to 
     enhance training of technically skilled personnel in 
     disciplines for which a shortfall of skilled technical 
     personnel is determined through study of workforce trends and 
     needs of energy technology industries by the Department of 
     Energy, in consultation with the Department of Labor.''.

  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, this amendment makes appropriations for 
energy and water development for the fiscal year ending September 30, 
2002, specifically providing that $10

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million shall be provided to fund grant and fellowship programs in the 
appropriate offices of the Department of Energy to enhance training of 
technically skilled personnel in disciplines for which a shortfall of 
skilled technical personnel is determined through study of workforce 
trends and needs of energy technological industries by the Department 
of Energy, in consultation with the Department of Labor.
  The purpose of the amendment is to address realities associated with 
the area of energy and to focus in on the energy crisis in this 
country. To a large degree, that crisis exists because of inadequate 
training capabilities within the energy area.
  The amendment would monitor workforce trends across the energy 
industry. It would provide $10 million for DOE grants and fellowships 
to colleges and universities to remedy workforce shortages. It would 
develop the energy workforce of the future.
  This amendment takes $10 million from the increased funding proposed 
for the CALFED program. I want to identify for my friend, the senior 
Senator from California, that these are funds coming from the increased 
funding proposal. I recognize the sensitivity to the senior Senator 
from California of the CALFED program. I also direct your attention to 
the fact that this program has never been authorized by the Energy and 
Natural Resources Committee, which is an appropriate procedure.
  I welcome that authorization. I would welcome the opportunity to work 
with my friend from California, perhaps, to find these funds in some 
other area. In any event, what we do in the amendment is redirect these 
funds to address what we consider a critical need for our Nation's 
energy security and the next generation of energy workers.
  I recognize the CALFED program is a water program, but I also point 
out that we are taking this from the increased funding for CALFED.
  As we talk about national energy policy--supply, demand, and 
infrastructure--I think we also have to consider the realities 
associated with the inadequacy of the workforce. Who is going to 
develop and deploy the new energy technologies we are going to need for 
the future? Even now, we find the Nation is unable to meet current 
labor needs and trends for the future. The forecast is ominous.
  Enrollment in petroleum engineering has dropped 28 percent in the 
last decade. Geoscience enrollment is down 32 percent. Enrollments in 
nuclear engineering have declined by 60 percent in the past 10 years. 
Two-thirds of our nuclear faculty are older than 45; 76 percent of U.S. 
nuclear workers and 51 percent of geophysicists are within 10 years of 
retirement. There are few renewable energy and energy-efficiency 
programs but large potential needs for skilled workers to meet the 
demand.
  Several years are required to train highly skilled workers with 
advanced engineering or science degrees. We must act now. I have worked 
with Senators Domenici and Bingaman, and I agreed they were right to 
include workforce considerations in their energy proposals. This is a 
vital but unrecognized part of energy strategy.
  Recognizing the urgent national need we face, I propose that we 
provide sufficient funding to finally get this program started. Mr. 
President, $10 million will allow the Department of Energy to begin the 
program, conduct the initial needs assessment, and fund a few of the 
fellowships that are necessary in the necessary priorities.
  I would have preferred to bring this program to the floor of the 
Senate in conjunction with comprehensive energy legislation, but we are 
still reviewing several proposals, still holding hearings, with the 
hope of action later this year.
  I hope we can adopt this amendment now and get started and develop a 
fully authorized, fully funded program as we consider comprehensive 
energy legislation.
  I urge the adoption of this amendment to develop the energy workforce 
of the future. In order to fund this critically needed education 
program, I am proposing to take $10 million from funding from the 
CALFED bay-delta program in California. This program, just like last 
year, has no authorization, as I have indicated.
  Last year, the Appropriations Committee refused to fund CALFED, and I 
think it should consider the merits of this amendment this year. I am 
not unsympathetic, as I have indicated, to the water needs of the 
Western States. When I was chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources 
Committee, a number of important water projects were authorized: the 
Garrison project in North Dakota; the Lewis and Clark Rural Water 
System; the Animas-LaPlata project, and several others perhaps not as 
expensive as these.
  What these projects had in common were, A, many, sometimes agonizing, 
years of study and negotiation; B, numerous Senate hearings spanning 
several Congresses; C, most important, they were all authorized by the 
committee of jurisdiction, the Energy and Natural Resources Committee.
  CALFED has done none of this--no hearings in the Senate ever, 
although I point out we do have our first CALFED hearing scheduled for 
this Thursday afternoon in Senator Dorgan's Water and Power 
Subcommittee.
  When CALFED was first authorized in 1996, no hearings were held; $430 
million over 3 years was put in the Omnibus Parks Act of 1996, which I 
managed, to begin a process to address California's complex water 
problems. But that authorization expires at the end of fiscal year 
2002.
  Senator Feinstein has introduced a bill, S. 979, to authorize the 
actions recommended in the Record of Decision last summer. I commend 
her for her efforts on this important project and hope the hearing 
scheduled on Thursday will be helpful as she pursues this goal.
  However, one scheduled hearing is certainly not adequate in my mind 
to justify the $20 million requested by the administration, much less 
the $20 million added by the subcommittee.
  Mind you, it was $20 million by the administration, and an additional 
$20 million was added by the subcommittee. What we are proposing to do 
is to take $10 million of the additional $20 million, so it will still 
leave $30 million, which is $10 million more than the administration 
proposed.
  In addition, one hearing is not likely to provide enough information 
to learn as much as is necessary to move on a 30-year project that is 
estimated to cost in the first 7 years alone some $8 billion. Clearly, 
this is a project that should be authorized by the committee of 
jurisdiction.
  I wonder how many Senators in the Chamber today can tell me on what 
some of that $8.5 billion will be spent.
  In funding the CALFED program, the committee report contains some 
rather interesting language. First, the committee report notes that:

       The appropriate authorizing committees of Congress should 
     thoroughly review and specifically reauthorize the CALFED 
     program.

  I believe Senator Feinstein has started us along that path with S. 
979 and Thursday's hearing.
  Second, the committee recommended:

       No funding under the California Bay-Delta Ecosystem 
     Restoration Project.

  This is where things get a little tricky. In the next paragraph of 
the report, the committee provides an additional $20 million over the 
budget request for the Central Valley Project:

       Additional funds to support the goals of CALFED are 
     provided as follows:

  Then the report goes on to list all kinds of projects with very 
little explanation that should be undertaken in the CVP to support the 
goals of CALFED.
  To understand the irony of this, I have one more quote from the 
committee report:

       The committee has consistently expressed concern regarding 
     the duplication and overlap of CALFED activities with Central 
     Valley Project Improvement Act programs and other activities 
     funded under various other programs within the Bureau of 
     Reclamation.

  It seems to me by not funding CALFED, then pulling money from CVP, 
the committee is fostering the very confusion and overlap about which 
concern has been consistently expressed. If we are providing funds from 
the CVP, the CVP contractors should receive the benefit. Yet a central 
focus on the CALFED proposal is that proposals, such as raising the 
Shasta Dam or enlarging the Los Vaqueros Reservoir, should not be used 
to offset the 1.2 million acre foot reduction in CVP yield as a result 
of the CVPIA.
  I am not proposing we completely eliminate the funding proposed under

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this bill, but I am asking that a portion of the increase be redirected 
to critically needed educational programs.
  I also suggest that the appropriators, when they get to conference, 
ensure that whatever they fund is directed toward the purposes of the 
original authorization.
  The benefits of raising Shasta Dam should go to the water and power 
users of the CVP, even if there are collateral benefits to the CALFED 
process.
  If you want to pick a particular aspect of the subcommittee that 
should not be funded, I support cutting the environmental water 
account. Maybe that is a good idea, but that is why we are holding a 
hearing on S. 979.
  Mr. President, that concludes my statement. I yield the floor, and I 
will be happy to respond to any questions.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from California.
  Mrs. FEINSTEIN. Mr. President, I regret that I have to strongly 
oppose the amendment of the distinguished Senator from Alaska. I recall 
both in the committee and in the Senate Chamber hearing the 
distinguished Senator from Alaska talk about supply, particularly in 
view of the electricity and natural gas portion of the energy crisis 
that faces this Nation.
  One of the things we in California have learned is that the 
electricity crisis is a forerunner of what is going to happen with 
water.
  California has 35 million people. It is the largest high-tech State 
and the largest agricultural producing State. It has a need for high-
quality water for high-tech, and it does not have enough water.
  Just last week, this Senate debated the Klamath with an endangered 
species issue involving both the coho salmon and the suckerfish. The 
Bureau of Reclamation had to cut off water for farmers, and 1,500 
farmers on both sides of the Oregon-California border essentially could 
not plant.
  This is not going to be an isolated incident. We are going to see 
this happen up and down the Central Valley if we do not act smart, if 
we do not work smart, if we do not move to improve the water supply, to 
work smarter on the big pumps on the California Water project, if we 
are not able to recharge our ground water and, respectfully, if we are 
not able to take from the wet years and store that water to use in the 
dry years.
  The Senator is precisely going after this money so that we cannot 
build the storage we need. The three projects that he mentioned: 
Raising Shasta Dam--that is a dam that is already there--raising the 
Los Vaqueros Reservoir, which is for reasons of water quality. There is 
a need for water quality both for the people in the area as well as 
what is supplied to the high-tech industry. That is Los Vaqueros. And 
the third is a delta wetlands project to provide water for the Central 
Valley water community.
  He mentioned that there is no authorization. CALFED was authorized, 
he is correct. The authorization has expired. Tomorrow we have a 
hearing in the committee on a bill he mentioned which I have authored 
to provide the necessary authorization. There are three bills in the 
House.
  I believe we are going to authorize this project. Not to do so would 
be a terrible mistake.
  I must correct the Senator on one point. He mentioned $8 billion in 
the authorization. This is not correct. Although the bill says ``such 
sums as may be available,'' the fact is the Federal share would be $3 
billion and the State share $5 billion.
  The point of what I am trying to do in the authorization bill is have 
all segments of the project--the ecosystem restoration, which is 
necessary for fish, the environmental water account, which is there to 
avoid an additional takings issue, as well as the storage and the water 
quality improvements--moved together concurrently so there is a 
balanced plan to move on the California water issue prior to the time 
it becomes a real crisis and the fifth largest economy on Earth is put 
out of business.

  I plead with the Senator from Alaska not to take these dollars, 
particularly from the storage project. Unless we can take water from 
the dry years and save that water and use it for the wet years, 
California has no chance of solving its problem. We have 34 million 
people, projected to be 50 million people, and we have the same basic 
water infrastructure we had when we were 16 million people. That is why 
this isn't going to work.
  The chairman of the committee, the distinguished Senator from Nevada, 
has worked very hard to be helpful. I am enormously grateful to him. He 
has worked in a prudent way to meet the need, I think knowing we are 
going to be able to produce an acceptable authorization vehicle in this 
session.
  Once again, I am willing to work with the Senator from Alaska. I am 
willing, as an appropriator, to try to help find other funds. His 
project is worthy. His offset is not.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Nevada.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, the subcommittee was very cautious to make 
sure that anything we did did not interfere with the jurisdiction of 
the Energy Committee. The ranking member, Senator Murkowski, is in the 
Chamber. Everything we have appropriated money for is related to things 
that have been authorized. We are not appropriating money that has not 
been authorized, and we went to great extremes to make sure we did 
that.
  I am, some say, the third Senator from California. I am happy to be 
in that category. Because it is such a huge State, they need all the 
help they can get. We in Nevada are a neighbor of the State of 
California. We are small in relation to population, compared to their 
34 million, but we have some of the same problems they have. Water is 
one of them. The bay-delta project is an extremely complex, difficult 
problem. The State of California has recognized it is a difficult 
problem. It has spent billions of dollars of California taxpayers' 
money to solve these problems.
  I believe, this subcommittee believes, and I think the Senate will 
believe, we, the Federal Government, have an obligation to help. This 
money we are appropriating is a very small amount of money, considering 
the tremendous burden the State of California has to meet their 
demands. Many of these problems were created by the Federal Government. 
The Bureau of Reclamation has been up to their hips in water. Many of 
the problems that California has had have been created by virtue of the 
Federal Government being involved in one way or another.
  The committee believes, of course, the appropriate authorizing 
committees of Congress should shortly review and authorize the 
programs. We agree with the distinguished Senator from Alaska that 
should be the case. They are in the process of doing that, as has been 
indicated by the Senator from Alaska and the Senator from California.
  However, in what we have appropriated, it is important to keep the 
Federal Government involvement. I oppose the amendment being offered by 
my friend from Alaska. I agree it is important to invest in the future 
of our energy workforce. I believe that very much. I believe his 
amendment, as far as what he is trying to accomplish, is excellent. I 
think the offset he has identified is inappropriate.
  My friend from Alaska correctly notes the worker training program is 
subject to future authorization in his committee as is CALFED. However, 
this subcommittee, I repeat, has been very careful to fund only those 
CALFED programs that existed as authorizations under other programs. 
CALFED is desperately important to the bay area and is important to the 
whole State of California.
  I oppose any changing of the mark at this time. It is an appropriate 
level of funding dealing with the population growth of the largest 
State in the Union, 34 million people and growing. As the Senator from 
California has indicated, it is the fifth largest economy in the world. 
It is the largest agricultural State in America. We hear a lot about 
the farm States. Rarely is California included in those, but they are 
an immense producer of agricultural products. We in the West appreciate 
very much the fruits and vegetables that come from the State of 
California. The commodities are great. Much of that comes from this 
area of the country. Agricultural needs of California are threatened if 
we don't provide this money.
  One of the things we have not talked about that we need to talk about 
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ecosystem itself. I admire what the State of California is trying to 
do. The State of California in years past has created economic and 
environmental disasters in the State of California. The State of 
California, to its credit, is trying to correct this. We, the Federal 
Government, should join in trying to help them.

  I will try to work with my friend from Alaska. It is my understanding 
that the chairman of the committee also likes very much this program 
dealing with worker training. I think that is important. I would like 
to work with him to try to accommodate this new program for workers in 
conference. I will try to do that.
  I am aware, as I indicated, that we have a situation where the 
chairman and the ranking member agree on this, as they agree on a 
number of issues. I honestly believe we have stayed out of the 
authorizers' jurisdiction in this matter, and I will ask at the 
appropriate time for the Senators to support this motion to table that 
I will make at a subsequent time.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Let me make a couple of observations. In arguing 
against the amendment, it is somewhat ironic that the two Senators 
probably have as much exposure as any Members who come from States 
where there is either a risk or an exposure to electricity blackouts. 
Clearly, training a new generation of energy workers suggests we need 
the best engineers in the world to create the best energy development, 
the best delivery system. That will help fund the solutions to the 
States' problems, particularly California.
  I remind my friend from Nevada, the floor manager, and the 
distinguished senior Senator from California, we are not creating a new 
program. We are not creating a new program that requires authorization. 
We are directing funding to the DAO Office of Science to carry out this 
important function as opposed to what we are doing relative to the 
California issue.
  As far as the CALFED issue is concerned, I agree California needs to 
address its problems with the help of the Congress. However, they must 
do so in a process that is customarily laid out in procedure before 
this body. I am happy to help the Senator from California with her 
concern, but the Senate has never, ever, ever, ever held a hearing on 
the proposals mentioned here. That is significant itself. Many Senators 
in this body assume there is a process where we hold a hearing, we do 
an evaluation, and we hear from witnesses on the merits of the 
proposal. There has been no explanation offered as to why we have not 
had a hearing. I recognize there will be a hearing tomorrow. We have 
held a hearing on workforce needs, specially nuclear workforce needs in 
the Energy Committee.

  So we have some reasonable reference point to justifiably say there 
is a significant difference here between funding this workforce effort 
and having had a hearing on it and not having had any hearings on the 
CALFED issue, as proposed in this legislation. The dollars are not 
specifically taken from an individual project, only from a larger 
overall account. I am happy to support appropriations once a proposed 
authorization is completed, and I would work with the Senator from 
California to address from where those funds might come. But the bottom 
line--and I encourage my colleagues and those who are monitoring this 
debate to recognize the realities--is the administration requested $20 
million. What did the Appropriations Committee do? They said no. They 
said no because CALFED is not authorized.
  Instead, the Appropriations Committee put $40 million into the CVP, 
which is a separate California project. But the intent was to spend it 
on the CALFED project. It is kind of a sleight of hand, if you will. I 
do not mean this in a derogatory way, but when you look at the $20 
million the administration requested and the Appropriations Committee 
said no because CALFED is not authorized, then the Appropriations 
Committee put $20 million into CVP, so they basically doubled the 
amount that was requested by the administration.
  What we are talking about here is not taking anything beyond what the 
administration requested, which was $20 million. They got $40 million 
in the CVP. We are talking about taking $10 million to fund the 
workforce effort in the Department of Energy. Clearly, the CVP would 
have $10 million more than the administration requested. Instead of $40 
million, they would have $30 million. So I think that is an adequate 
explanation of the points brought up.
  Again, I have the deepest respect for the senior Senator from 
California and for the floor manager, the senior Senator from Nevada. 
Having gone to school in California, having familiarity with the 
necessity of California's productivity related to water, I suggest we 
proceed with this process through an authorization in the committees of 
jurisdiction, including the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, and 
I will pledge to the delegation from California my effort, and that of 
the professional staff, to work toward the end to meet the legitimate 
needs of California. But I think we need to adhere to the process.
  It is my understanding there has been an effort to try to reach 
consensus on a vote, perhaps at 6 o'clock or shortly after?
  Mrs. BOXER. I object to 6 o'clock.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. I hear the Senator from California objecting. I am not 
asking for a unanimous consent. I was making an inquiry. Again, I 
encourage recognition of the necessity of authorization on this matter.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The senior assistant bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent the order for the 
quorum call be dispensed with.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the time until 
6:15 today be equally divided and controlled between Senators Reid and 
Murkowski; that no amendments be in order prior to the vote in relation 
to the amendment; that at 6:15 the Senate vote in relation to the 
amendment with no intervening action; and that the Senator from Nevada 
allocate 10 minutes that I have to the Senator from California, Mrs. 
Boxer.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  If no one yields time, time will be charged to both sides.
  The Senator from California.
  Mrs. BOXER. Mr. President, I rise to address the amendment before us. 
Is that in order at this time?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator is recognized.
  Mrs. BOXER. Mr. President, because I was preparing for this debate, I 
do not know exactly the time I have been allowed. May I be informed?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has 8 minutes.
  Mrs. BOXER. I thank the Chair.
  Mr. President, I am really disappointed that we have this amendment 
pending which would take $10 million out of a $40 million appropriation 
that my colleague Senator Feinstein has worked hard to get for the 
California water, I would say, near crisis.
  We have a process in California called the CALFED process. I think a 
lot of our States could learn some good lessons from this process. Why 
do I say that? Because we all know that questions about water, when it 
is in short supply, can be extremely contentious. We certainly know 
water is the staff of life. People need it to live. We certainly know 
that water and the free flow of water is important to our wildlife, to 
our environment, unless we believe we can abandon being good stewards 
of the environment and forget about the wildlife, about endangered 
species, and suddenly have a circumstance where we have fishermen 
worried they cannot fish. We certainly know we need the water for our 
farmers.
  The reason Senator Feinstein has worked hard on this appropriation is 
we did not have an appropriation last year. We have to move this 
process forward. We cannot abandon this very carefully balanced 
approach which I think has worked so well. We will have a 
reauthorization; that is clear. But the bottom line is we have many 
times appropriated funds where there was no authorization, where we had 
a history, a good history, with the project as we have had with CALFED. 
This important process would be harmed if the Murkowski amendment were 
to pass.

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  Why do I say that? I refer you to the bill where we have very 
carefully explained it. My colleagues are again to be commended, for 
this spells out exactly where these funds will go. Yes, we have an 
environmental water council, which my colleague from Alaska talked 
about without seeming to praise it very much. But it is crucial because 
if we can take care of that particular part of the equation 
environmentally, it will free us up to get more water storage to be 
able to take care of the other users.
  The money that is in this bill is not put there lightly. My colleague 
from California understands the needs of the country. But every single 
appropriation is spelled out very clearly and very carefully. As I read 
it, most of this will go in terms of numbers for projects to find water 
for the farmers. And, yes, we have an environmental council that will 
take care of that set- aside.
  We know what it is to go through water wars in California. We know 
what it is to go through electricity wars in California. We know what 
it is to have people pointing fingers back and forth about who is to 
blame. We also know that the CALFED process works. It is very important 
that we hold it together. It is very balanced.
  As my colleague and I seek to get reauthorization, we are trying to 
be as one as we go forward. But we certainly have one goal, and that is 
to be true to the CALFED process. We will in fact be sending a very bad 
signal this evening if this appropriation is reduced.
  This funding is needed. This funding is important. This funding sends 
a signal to all stakeholders--be they urban users or farmers or 
environmentalists--that their goals are important; we will come behind 
those goals with funding. I think it will be in fact very detrimental 
to the CALFED process if the Senate sends this kind of signal tonight.
  This is not controversial. We talk about water. Water in itself 
always brings up controversy. But the CALFED process to date has been 
very successful. What Senator Feinstein has done and what the committee 
has done is to take those projects that are not controversial, that are 
part of the CALFED process, and fund them.
  I hope we will reject the Murkowski amendment.
  I yield the remainder of my time.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Who yields time?
  The Senator from Nevada.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, the Senator from California wishes to speak.
  Mrs. FEINSTEIN. Mr. President, I thank my friend and colleague for 
her comments. I very much appreciate her solidarity and unity on this 
subject. It is extraordinarily important.
  I also want to say there is a statement from the administration in 
support of this appropriation. We have the support of the Secretary of 
the Interior, as well as the administration, that this appropriation 
move forward. I am very hopeful that we will have unanimous support 
from our side of the aisle as well as support from the Republican side.
  As my colleague has well stated, we are fighting for every dollar. 
The energy subcommittee listened. I think it is a fact that the money 
in this appropriations bill is extraordinarily important. I believe 
that unless we can move aggressively to build an environmentally 
sensitive water infrastructure in our State, there is no way we are 
going to be able to meet the challenges of the future.
  This is a beginning.
  I thank the Chair. I thank the chairman and my colleague.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, I am certainly sensitive to the 
considerations of my two friends from California. I would like to 
correct the record in one sense. We are not talking about a 
reauthorization; we are talking about an authorization that has never 
taken place. While there are exceptions from time to time, it is the 
general rule that we authorize these projects.
  This is a complex project. Again, I remind my colleagues that the 
Appropriations Committee during this process increased over the 
administration's proposal from $20 million to $40 million total. As a 
consequence, to take $10 million away is still giving this project $10 
million more than originally proposed by the administration.
  Again, let the record note specifically that the administration 
requested $20 million. The appropriators said no. Why did the 
appropriators say no? They said no because CALFED is not authorized.
  That is the only real reservation the Senator from Alaska has. I do 
that as the ranking member and former chairman of the committee of 
jurisdiction. I have no other reason, no other motivation, because I am 
sensitive to the water needs of California. Instead, the appropriators 
put $20 million in the CVP, a separate California project. But the 
intent was for it to be spent on CALFED projects.
  There has been a little sleight of hand here, if you will, in the 
manner in which the appropriators addressed this. That is their 
business. But it is my business as the ranking member of the Energy 
Committee to advise my colleagues that we have not had an 
authorization. That is the basis for my objection.
  I think it is certainly a justification, since we are not creating a 
new program with $10 million of the $40 million, which is more than the 
administration requested in the sense that they offered $20 million and 
offered to move $10 million to a worthwhile project while not creating 
a new program that would need authorization, but directed funding to 
the DOE Office of Science to carry out the important function of 
technical training in the State.
  I yield the floor.
  Mr. DOMENICI. Mr. President, I rise to compliment the distinguished 
Senator from Alaska on what his amendment will do.
  There is no question that the Department of Energy is now engaged in 
a transition period as we prepare for new technologies, both in 
conservation and in the production of electricity and other aspects of 
energy consumption in our country.
  His amendment supplements a portion of this bill which continues to 
fund college programs in the area of nuclear physics and related 
matters. He brings it down to creating some openings for internships to 
get involved in this kind of technology and training. I think it is a 
rather interesting approach to this changing period. He discussed it 
with me. I urged him to proceed with reference to this idea.
  I urged that we not support the motion to table and that we permit 
this new idea to be approved with reference to the kinds of skills that 
are necessary to make the transition, and see whether it will work, 
along with other programs that we are now funding out of the Department 
of Energy.
  I yield any time I may have.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I move to table the amendment offered by the 
Senator from Alaska, and I ask for the yeas and nays.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second?
  There is a sufficient second.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. REID. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent the order for the 
quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Ms. Stabenow). Without objection, it is so 
ordered.
  The question is on agreeing to the motion to table amendment No. 
1018. The yeas and nays have been ordered. The clerk will call the 
roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk called the roll.
  The result was announced---yeas 56, nays 44, as follows:

                      [Rollcall Vote No. 238 Leg.]

                                YEAS--56

     Akaka
     Baucus
     Bayh
     Biden
     Bingaman
     Boxer
     Breaux
     Byrd
     Campbell
     Cantwell
     Carnahan
     Carper
     Chafee
     Cleland
     Clinton
     Collins
     Conrad
     Corzine
     Daschle
     Dayton
     Dodd
     Dorgan
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Ensign
     Feinstein
     Graham
     Harkin
     Hollings
     Hutchison
     Inouye
     Jeffords
     Johnson
     Kennedy
     Kerry
     Kohl
     Landrieu
     Leahy
     Levin
     Lieberman
     Lincoln
     Mikulski
     Miller
     Murray
     Nelson (FL)

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     Nelson (NE)
     Reed
     Reid
     Rockefeller
     Sarbanes
     Schumer
     Smith (OR)
     Stabenow
     Torricelli
     Wellstone
     Wyden

                                NAYS--44

     Allard
     Allen
     Bennett
     Bond
     Brownback
     Bunning
     Burns
     Cochran
     Craig
     Crapo
     DeWine
     Domenici
     Enzi
     Feingold
     Fitzgerald
     Frist
     Gramm
     Grassley
     Gregg
     Hagel
     Hatch
     Helms
     Hutchinson
     Inhofe
     Kyl
     Lott
     Lugar
     McCain
     McConnell
     Murkowski
     Nickles
     Roberts
     Santorum
     Sessions
     Shelby
     Smith (NH)
     Snowe
     Specter
     Stevens
     Thomas
     Thompson
     Thurmond
     Voinovich
     Warner
  The motion was agreed to.
  Mrs. BOXER. Madam President, I move to reconsider the vote.
  Mr. CRAIG. I move to lay that motion on the table.
  The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
  Mrs. BOXER. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. REID. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.


                             Cloture Motion

  Mr. REID. Madam President, I send a cloture motion to the desk.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The cloture motion having been presented under 
rule XXII, the Chair directs the clerk to read the motion.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

                             Cloture Motion

       We, the undersigned Senators, in accordance with the 
     provisions of rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate, 
     hereby move to bring to a close the debate on H.R. 2311, the 
     Energy and Water Development Appropriations bill:
         Tom Daschle, Jack Reed, Daniel Inouye, Bob Graham, Kent 
           Conrad, Carl Levin, Max Baucus, Christopher Dodd, Paul 
           Sarbanes, Tom Harkin, Harry Reid, Barbara Mikulski, 
           Fritz Hollings, Ted Kennedy, Joseph Lieberman, Byron 
           Dorgan, and Tim Johnson.


                             Cloture Motion

  Mr. REID. Madam President, I send a cloture motion to the desk.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The cloture motion having been presented under 
rule XXII, the Chair directs the clerk to read the motion.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

                             Cloture Motion

       We, the undersigned Senators, in accordance with the 
     provisions of rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate, 
     hereby move to bring to a close the debate on H.R. 2311, the 
     Energy and Water Development Appropriations bill:
         Tom Daschle, Harry Reid, Jeff Bingaman, Bob Graham, Kent 
           Conrad, Daniel Inouye, Jack Reed, Joseph Lieberman, 
           Carl Levin, Max Baucus, Christopher Dodd, Paul 
           Sarbanes, Tom Harkin, Byron L. Dorgan, Tim Johnson, 
           Debbie Stabenow, and Richard J. Durbin.

  Mr. REID. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the live 
quorums in relation to these two cloture motions be waived.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. NELSON of Florida. Mr. President, I rise today to speak about the 
programs in the fiscal year 2002 Energy and Water Appropriations Report 
that prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and nuclear weapon-usable 
material. These programs are vital to the national security of the 
United States.
  Appropriately, the committee has expressed concern that the 
``proposed budget would seriously erode progress made at great expense 
to assure the Nation's capability to detect and mitigate global 
proliferation activities.'' By providing $106.8 million above the 
President's request, the committee has restored many of the 
administration's cuts to nuclear non-proliferation programs.
  Programs restored by the committee include the Nuclear Cities 
Initiative, which redirects Russian nuclear expertise and reduces 
Russian nuclear infrastructure. This project was given a $14.5 million 
boost. An additional $15 million was added to the Initiatives for 
Proliferation Prevention program, which funds joint non-military 
research and development projects, pairs U.S. industries with 
industries in the former Soviet Union and identifies and creates non-
military commercial applications. I support the committee's 
recommendation that some of the excess funds for this program be 
directed to projects within Russian nuclear cities, in coordination 
with the Nuclear Cities Initiative. While encouraging, these actions by 
the committee merely move us back to the starting line.
  I also would like to express my support for the committee 
recommendation of $300 million to recapitalize existing operation 
facilities. The President proposed nothing in his budget to 
recapitalize our nuclear infrastructure.
  The National Nuclear Security Administration released a study last 
year on defense programs facilities and infrastructure assessment that 
reviewed the conditions of our nuclear facilities and labs. The report 
identified a $650 million annual shortfall over the next five years in 
our nuclear weapons complex, with unfunded priority requirements 
increasing by $200 million per year.
  This is unacceptable.
  Many of our facilities are World War II-era and in dire need of 
upgrades and repair. I have visited the facilities in Oak Ridge, TN, 
and can personally attest to the amount of recapitalization and 
modernization needed. The President's budget addressed none of these 
needs.
  Recently the distinguished former leader of this body, the Honorable 
Howard Baker from Tennessee, testified before the Senate Foreign 
Relations Committee about the serious funding inadequacies in non-
proliferation programs run by the Department of Energy. As Co-Chair of 
the Baker-Cutler Task Force, Baker testified that increased funding is 
critical to the future of these vital programs.
  He testified that in the former Soviet Union ``over 40,000 nuclear 
weapons, over a thousand metric tons of nuclear materials, vast 
quantities of chemical and biological weapons materials, and thousands 
of missiles. This Cold War arsenal is spread across 11 time zones, but 
lacks the Cold War infrastructure that provided the control and 
financing necessary to assure [they] remain securely beyond the reach 
of terrorists . . . The most urgent unmet National Security threat to 
the United States today is the danger that weapons of mass destruction 
or weapons-usable material in Russia could be stolen and sold to 
terrorists or hostile nation states and used against American troops 
abroad or our citizens at home.'' As a result, the Baker-Cutler report 
called for an increase in funding for such initiatives--approximately 
$30 billion over the next 8-10 years.
  I urge the Senate to consider the efforts and work of Howard Baker 
and Lloyd Cutler and provide the resources needed to fund these 
programs and facilities because they are vital to our national 
security.
  Our nuclear weapons complex and infrastructure will become even more 
important if the president seeks to reduce our stockpile as part of a 
new strategic framework. I encourage President Bush to place 
appropriate emphasis on nonproliferation as we develop this new 
framework with Russia and other involved nations.
  Mr. HOLLINGS. Mr. President, in 1997, the Department of Energy and 
the State of South Carolina reached an agreement for the Savannah River 
Site to accept and dispose of surplus weapons-grade plutonium. In 
response to an effort by the former Soviet Union and the United States 
to reduce weapons-grade plutonium, the Savannah River Site would accept 
plutonium from the Pantex Plant in Texas and the Rocky Flats 
Environmental Technology Site in Colorado. South Carolina was promised 
that this plutonium would only be treated at SRS, not stored for a 
significant amount of time. The disposition agreement included two 
types of treatment--blending the plutonium into mixed oxide fuel for 
use in commercial nuclear reactors, commonly known as MOX--and 
immobilizing it in a facility know as the Plutonium Immobilization 
Plant. The reason for using two different treatments was simple and 
spelled out in the Federal Register on January 21, 1997.

       Due to technology, complexity, timing, cost, and other 
     factors that would be involved in purifying certain plutonium 
     materials to make them suitable for potential use in MOX 
     fuel, approximately 30 percent of the total quantity of 
     plutonium (that has or may be declared surplus to defense 
     needs) would require extensive purification to use in MOX 
     fuel, and therefore will likely be immobilized. DOE will 
     immobilize at least 8 metric tons, MT, of currently declared 
     surplus plutonium materials that DOE has already

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     determined are not suitable for use in MOX fuel.

  Since 1997, DOE has continued on this dual-track path for 
disposition. That is until this year. In the administration's fiscal 
year 2002 DOE budget request, funds for the National Nuclear Security 
Administration, NNSA, were cut by over $100 million. Due to these 
budget cuts, one of the plutonium disposition programs, immobilization, 
was delayed indefinitely. I don't blame the NNSA for the cut to this 
program because I know it is their job to work within the budget they 
are given. However, I do blame the Administration for providing a 
budget that is woefully inadequate to provide for plutonium disposition 
activities at Savannah River. When General Gordon, the NNSA Director, 
testified in front of the Energy and Water Appropriations Subcommittee, 
he stated plainly that Plutonium Immobilization was delayed because of 
financial reasons, not policy ones. DOE claims it can process all of 
the plutonium by converting it into MOX, but, when pressed on the 
matter they say there is no certainty in this treatment. If MOX fails 
and there is not a back-up, SRS will be left with large amounts of 
surplus weapons-grade plutonium, but without a plan to treat it.
  There is an analogous situation to this one track mind set that 
previously occurred at SRS. To separate the sludge and liquid wastes 
contained in the tank farms, DOE proposed In-Tank Precipitation, ITP. 
After putting more than a billion dollars into this separation process, 
problems occurred. Excessive benzine was being produced as a by-product 
of the separation. As a result, the program was shut down until a new 
process could be found. The new process was selected last week--four 
years after the old process failed. Why? Because there was not an 
alternative to this process. Four years and a billion dollars later, 
the tanks are still overflowing with 60 percent of the Nation's high-
level waste. This is exactly why I want to continue a dual-track 
disposition program for this plutonium. It was part of the original 
agreement and I believe that any attempt to change the agreement should 
be made in consultation with all the affected parties.
  To date, the Secretary of Energy and the Governor of South Carolina, 
Governor Hodges, have not spoken about the disposition activities, 
which is unfortunate. In fact, Governor Hodges has said he may take 
steps to stop shipments of plutonium to SRS, which are scheduled to 
begin in August. I hope the Secretary and the Governor can come to some 
agreement to ensure safe and timely disposition of this surplus 
plutonium.
  I had an amendment, which would have prohibited the shipment of 
plutonium to SRS until March 1, 2002 or until a final agreement could 
be reached on disposition activities, whichever comes first. Some say 
that stopping these shipments would be devastating to our clean-up 
efforts at other sites. I say that walking away from our commitments of 
safe and timely disposition of this material would be just as 
devastating. All I want is for the Administration to commit to me, the 
Congress and to the State of South Carolina on plutonium disposition. I 
do not want this plutonium to be shipped to SRS and then have the 
Administration come back and say that MOX is not going to work and 
they're going to study another way of disposing of the material. I fear 
this is the road we are going down, especially in light of a recent 
article in the New York Times saying the White House wants to 
restructure or end programs aimed at disposing of tons of military 
plutonium.
  I have spoken to the Chairman and Ranking Member of the Energy and 
Water Appropriations Subcommittee and we have worked out an agreement 
on my amendment. With this compromise, hopefully, DOE and the State of 
South Carolina will come together and reach an agreement to continue 
these disposition programs at SRS, while ensuring they're done in a 
timely and safe manner. If an agreement cannot be reached, you can rest 
assured this will not be the last time this issue is raised on the 
Senate floor.
  I want to thank the distinguished chairman and ranking member for all 
their help on this amendment.

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