[Congressional Record Volume 147, Number 91 (Wednesday, June 27, 2001)]
[House]
[Pages H3679-H3684]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
ENERGY AND WATER DEVELOPMENT APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2002
The Committee resumed its sitting.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished
gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Kirk).
Mr. KIRK. Mr. Chairman, first I want to commend the gentleman from
Alabama (Mr. Callahan) for restoring funding for renewable energy in
this bill.
With regard to contamination of Lake Michigan, we have had the Rock
Gobie, the Fish Hook Flea, alewife, nuclear waste and PCBs. Lake
Michigan has had enough. We killed Lake Erie in the 1960s and nearly
killed Lake Michigan. The Great Lakes are home to half of the world's
supply of fresh water. It is one of our Nation's greatest environmental
treasures. I strongly support the Bonior-LaTourette bipartisan
amendment and am totally committed to Lake Michigan's environment and
urge Members to support this worthy goal.
Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Mr. Chairman, I might point out that the purpose of this debate, what
the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Bonior) is attempting to do, is to
restrict the Corps of Engineers from granting any further permits for
this venture.
This is what the Corps of Engineers is all about. The Corps of
Engineers is there to protect the environment, to make absolutely
certain that everything with respect to any type of activity on the
lake is in the best interest of the environment and of the American
people and the area.
So I would beg to differ that the permitting process on this is not
taking place, because it is. They cannot do it without permits. If the
gentleman's amendment is adopted, the Corps would be prevented from
issuing the permits, resulting in a halting of further exploration.
I might say that every day we hear in these 1-minutes the Members of
the minority talking about the energy crisis, and this is an
opportunity to do something about the energy crisis while not doing
anything to harm the environment. So I would urge the Members to pay
close attention to what this debate is all about.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Michigan (Mr.
Upton).
Mr. UPTON. Mr. Chairman, I would join my Michigan Republican
colleagues who have spoken in support of this amendment, the gentleman
from Michigan (Mr. Camp) and the gentleman from Michigan (Mr.
Hoekstra), also in support of the amendment.
Some say that this is a safe process, slant drilling. Well, I have to
say that I am not convinced that the science, in fact, will protect us.
No one has ever suggested that the oil perhaps underneath the Great
Lakes is an Arab oil field. It will not provide a lot of oil under
anyone's estimation. So why should we take the risk?
I grew up on the shores of Lake Michigan, and I can remember as a
young boy in the 1960s and even into the 1970s there in fact had been
an oil spill on the southern shore of Lake Michigan, and I will say
virtually every day, every day in St. Joe, Benton Harbor, my hometown
and along the southern shore of Lake Michigan, anyone that went to the
beach got oil from the sand on themselves. I do not think there was a
house along the street that did not have a little bottle of Mr. Clean
on the kitchen step, which was the only stuff that would take that oil
off our clothes, off our shoes, name it.
That smell of Mr. Clean stays with me from this day, from those
summer days of always getting oil on our feet.
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One of the first pieces of legislation I passed as a young Member of
this House was oil-spill legislation. I remember almost a catastrophic
event in Bay City, Michigan, that would have destroyed, I think, the
ecosystem of the Great Lakes for decades, if not more than 100 years.
This is a Great Lakes watershed area that is not like someplace else.
When the oil is there, it stays there and it stays there for a long
time.
I support this amendment. It is bipartisan. For those of us that have
districts along the Great Lakes, I think that all of us, I would hope,
would support it. After all, we know our Great Lakes area better than
just about anybody else.
This is a wise amendment. I support the amendment. I would hope that
my colleagues would also vote for this when we take it up tomorrow. I
appreciate the bipartisanship that it certainly has, and I would just
compliment my colleagues in support of this amendment to make sure
that, in fact, we do not have oil spills throughout the Great Lakes.
Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from
Illinois (Mr. Shimkus).
(Mr. SHIMKUS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. SHIMKUS. Mr. Chairman, I have a lot of good friends on both sides
of the aisle that are addressing this issue, and I really get concerned
and I struggle with this.
Southern Illinois used to have one of the largest oil fields in the
country 50 years ago, decades ago. Guess what? It was all pumped out.
To benefit the United States of America, we drilled in southern
Illinois. We still have some marginal wells there. They pump about two
barrels a day. They are the little seesaw horses that one sees when
they drive down the road.
My cornfields and soybean fields are just as important as any
lakefront beach property. Sometimes I think we get very selfish. We are
in an energy crisis. Fuel is at an all-time high.
We do not want to drill off the Great Lakes. We had a vote yesterday,
where we do not want to drill off of Florida. Heavens, no, we do not
want to go into ANWR. So my basic question is: Where do we go?
I will say where we go. We are going to the Saudi Arabia sheiks. We
are going to pony up our dollars. We are going to be held hostage by
Saudi Arabia for our oil.
I just do not understand. We can send people to the Moon. We can send
people to Mars. We can go all over this world, and we cannot drill
safely?
So I ask us to bring a little common sense to this and to realize
that we have some natural resources. We have places that expended our
natural resources for the benefit of our country. Now it is time to
make sure that we are energy self-sufficient, not reliant on foreign
oil. If we want low-cost gasoline, we have to do a couple of things. We
have to drill. We have to transport and we have to refine and, of
course, we have to add ethanol.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished
gentlewoman from Ohio (Ms. Kaptur), the cosponsor of the amendment.
(Ms. KAPTUR asked and was given permission to revise and extend her
remarks.)
Ms. KAPTUR. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from Michigan (Mr.
Bonior) for yielding me this time.
Mr. Chairman, last week the Members of our body voted to send a
message to the Bush administration that oil and water do not mix. The
House voted overwhelmingly to stop offshore drilling off the coast of
Florida by a vote of 247 to 164. Seventy Republicans joined 177
Democrats in a rebuke to the White House drilling policy. Nonetheless,
Vice President Cheney claims that drilling can be conducted without
environmental damage. Where does the administration stop in its single-
minded desire to appease the oil and gas special interests? How many
times do we have to send this message before the administration gets
it?
The Bonior-Stupak-Kaptur amendment is a message: hands-off the Great
Lakes. The President and Vice President need to understand that the
people of the Great Lakes region do not want drilling. In my State, our
Republican Governor is opposed to drilling in the Great Lakes. So are
both our Republican Senators and our congressional delegation.
Lake Erie, Ohio's lake, is the shallowest of the Great Lakes and thus
the most vulnerable to the administration's scheme. The Lake Erie
shoreline, including the area in my congressional district, is a
delicate ecosystem. Congressman Dingell and I are working on ways to
protect it for generations into the future. To expose that fragile
ecosystem to oil and gas drilling makes no sense. It is reckless
policy. It is irresponsible. Our freshwater ecosystem is a powerful,
competitive advantage for our economy and a priceless national and
international resource that belongs to all the people, not to any
special interest.
For hundreds of years, even before the Northwest Territory was open,
the Great Lakes have defined an entire region of our continent and the
world. In the region, we see the Great Lakes as precious jewels. The
administration sees another drilling platform. Please support the
Bonior-Stupak-Kaptur amendment. Oil and water do not mix.
[From the Anna Arbor News, June 19, 2001]
Cheney: Drilling Could Cause No Harm
protesters charge slant drills under lakes won't reduce oil dependence
(By Karessa E. Weir, News Staff Reporter)
GENOA TOWNSHIP.--In his first visit to Michigan since
taking office, Vice President Dick Cheney said drilling under
the Great Lakes can be done without environmental damage.
As environmentalists protested outside Lake Pointe Manor
banquet hall where he was speaking, Cheney said he supports
searching for new sources of fuel. Possibly, he said, that
could include the controversial plan to slant drill under the
lakes.
``The technology in my judgment is extraordinarily good,''
Cheney said.
``I'd also like to remind everybody that we have a serious
problem in our dependence on foreign (oil) sources.''
He added that to meet the country's electricity needs,
between 1,300 and 1,900 new generators would have to be built
for coal, gas and nuclear energy.
``Those are the three options for the foreseeable future,''
he said. ``The attractive features of coal are that we've got
a lot of it . . . and it's cheap.''
Cheney was at the banquet hall south of Howell attending a
$1,000-a-plate fund-raiser for Brighton Republican Mike
Rogers.
Outside, Dan Farough, program director for the Sierra Club
and one of about 25 protesters, said continuing to put more
federal money into coal-burning endeavors will hurt Michigan
and the country without lowering reliance on imported oil.
``Michigan's lakes already are under an advisory for
mercury. Where does he think the mercury comes from? It comes
from the emissions of those dirty coal-fire plants,'' Farough
said. ``He is pushing drilling in Alaska and in the Great
Lakes but even if we kept all of what we could get, it would
only lower our imports by 2 percent.''
Cheney, flanked by Rogers and Lt. Gov. Dick Posthumus,
spent the day in Michigan, first touring General Motors
Corp.'s Vehicle Emission Lab in Warren and then attending the
fund-raiser.
Cheney also spoke to about 500 people who paid $25 each to
attend a rally at the banquet hall, where he touted the
passage of the ``largest tax cut in a generation'' and
efforts to reform Social Security and create a global missile
defense system.
``We will not accept that the U.S. is undefended from
ballistic missiles,'' Cheney said.
Inside, the reception to Cheney was warmer.
``He's doing great,'' said Millie Geisert of Howell. ``He's
bringing integrity and morality back to our country.''
In Warren, Cheney climbed into a fuel-cell vehicle and
munched on popcorn produced by the excess energy of a hybrid
truck. He said he was impressed by what he saw at the GM
facility.
``I am . . . optimistic. With American technology and
ingenuity there's no question we can solve any problems down
the road,'' Cheney said.
The tour came a week after GM announced a 25-year
collaboration with General Hydrogen Corp., a pioneer in fuel-
cell technology. GM hopes the partnership will accelerate the
development of fuel-cell vehicles, which create electricity
directly from a reaction between hydrogen and oxygen. The
vehicles emit only water vapor from their tailpipes.
Rick Wagoner, GM's president and CEO, applauded the Bush
administration's energy plan.
``We believe the plan makes sense and believe the auto
industry can help implement it,'' Wagoner said.
Rogers, who defeated state Sen. Dianne Byrum, D-Onondaga,
by 110 votes in November, garnered more than $350,000 for his
campaign through the Cheney visit. He faces his first re-
election bid in 2002.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Kucinich).
Mr. KUCINICH. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from Michigan (Mr.
Bonior) for yielding me this time.
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Mr. Chairman, in the 20th century the greatest resource issue was
oil, but in the 21st century the greatest resource issue in the world
will be water.
The freshwater resources of the Great Lakes are as precious to the
U.S. as oil is to the Middle East. It is our health. It is our wealth.
It is our economic future. It is our environmental future. Clean water
is a basic right in a democratic society. The oil companies should not
be permitted to privatize the Great Lakes.
The Bible tells a story of Esau, who sold his birthright for a mess
of pottage. Let us not sell America's birthright to one of the greatest
supplies of fresh water in the world for a mess of oily pottage in the
false name of energy security.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the distinguished
gentleman from the great State of Minnesota (Mr. Luther).
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Mr. LUTHER. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from Michigan (Mr.
Bonior), the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Stupak), and the gentlewoman
from Ohio (Ms. Kaptur) for their outstanding leadership on this issue.
I am from Minnesota, a State with a proud heritage of protecting our
natural resources for future generations. In fact, in the late 1980s,
Minnesota took part in enacting a multi-State ban on oil and gas
drilling in the waters of the Great Lakes. Yet, today, discussion
persists about drilling in this pristine area, particularly directional
or slant drilling, is what is being discussed.
Since 1979, the seven existing directionally drilled wells have
produced enough energy to cover less than a half day of our Nation's
consumption. Think about this: risking the Nation's largest supply of
fresh water for a few hours of consumption.
As a Nation, we must not fall back into the old way of doing things
in this country. We will never get balance in our energy policies if we
continue to debate drilling in our Nation's most pristine areas.
I urge this Congress to have the vision to develop new approaches to
energy policy in this country. I urge Members to consider the
ramifications, before risking this resource for a few hours of energy
consumption. Let us give our children and their children the splendor
of the Great Lakes coastline.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished
gentlewoman from the State of Minnesota (Ms. McCollum).
Ms. McCOLLUM. Mr. Chairman, I rise today to strongly oppose drilling
of any kind in the Great Lakes. Just visit Minnesota's North Shore and
you will immediately know why. Lake Superior is a constant source of
wonder for many of us in this country. It helped to shape our
landscape, our climate, it supports our economy, and it enhances our
quality of life.
I oppose drilling not because we do not need to find additional
energy resources. We do. But these lakes are just too valuable and too
many families' lives would literally be at risk without fresh drinking
water. It is simply not worth the risk.
We are making progress in using energy more efficiently, reducing our
reliance on coal and natural gas through energy efficiency and
technology; but we must work hard to make bigger investments in current
programs to do more.
Investments do not always have to cost money either. We can and we
must reduce our consumption by supporting wind, solar power and
renewable fuels, like ethanol, which we produce in Minnesota.
Future generations depend on us not to jeopardize today's greatest
natural resources. An oil spill or any related disaster on the shores
of the Great Lakes would impact fresh drinking water for 35 million
people, and for what? For less than 1 day's worth of oil and natural
gas.
The Great Lakes are important to this Nation. They are important to
my State. They are important to the families in this country. They have
been crucial in our historical and economic development. Our
communities continue to play a critical role in Minnesota, and water is
a part of that.
I urge my colleagues to protect today's drinking water for future
generations. I urge my colleagues to support this amendment.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Brown).
Mr. BROWN of Ohio. Mr. Chairman, I thank my friend from Michigan for
yielding me time. I especially want to thank the gentleman from
Michigan (Mr. Stupak), the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Bonior), the
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Barrett), the gentlewoman from Ohio (Ms.
Kaptur), and other colleagues from the Great Lakes region for
consistently championing the preservation and protection of these
precious lakes.
I live on Lake Erie and appreciate the lake for its natural beauty.
But Lake Erie is far more than a pretty backdrop. Ohioans rely on the
lake for our region's economic well-being. We rely on Lake Erie to ship
goods, to provide us with drinking water, to play host for recreational
activities, and to attract tourists from all over the world.
The Great Lakes contain 20 percent of all the fresh water in the
world; and yet attempts are now being made to expand so-called
directional drilling under the beds of the Great Lakes, jeopardizing
the water, the shorelines, and the surrounding wetlands. These attempts
are being made even though the existing oil and gas wells in operation
under the Great Lakes have not produced enough oil and gas to fuel our
domestic needs for even a single day.
President Bush's solution for the country has been to drill early and
drill often. Drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Preserve, drill in
the Gulf of Mexico, drill in the five Great Lakes. Instead of pursuing
fossil fuels to the end of the Earth, Congress should author an energy
policy that addresses both the immediate and long-term energy needs of
our people.
We should explore for additional courses of oil and gas, but we
cannot drill our way out of dependence on foreign oil. Any strategy
that calls for drilling in the Great Lakes, where there is more
drinking water than any other place on Earth, fails even the most basic
risk-reward analysis.
Fossil fuels are a finite resource. Instead of risking despoiling of
every piece of ground or water under which fossil fuels may reside, we
must focus instead on using energy resources more efficiently,
increasing our use of renewable fuels and encouraging conservation.
Last week, this body supported an amendment that afforded protection
to the coast of Florida from the potential ravages of oil and gas
exploration. Today I ask my colleagues to afford the Great Lakes the
same protection.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the distinguished
gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer).
Mr. HOYER. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time,
and I congratulate him and the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Stupak) and
others on both sides of the aisle for sponsoring this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, this should not be, in my opinion, a hard decision for
us to make. The risk is too great, when you consider the damage a spill
would cause to one of the world's environmental treasures. Twenty
percent of the world's fresh water is contained in the Great Lakes. It
is much too precious to risk for additional drilling. And what would
that drilling get us? The existing 13 wells have produced enough over
their lifetime to provide only approximately a quarter of 1 day's use
of natural gas in this country, and only approximately 2 percent of 1
day's use of petroleum. At what cost? I cannot imagine what type of
drilling would have to occur to make a serious dent in Michigan's
energy needs.
Since receiving criticism for taking the hard road of production
versus conservation, the Bush administration has tried to say nice
things about conservation. But the facts are clear: the Bush budget
proposed to cut the Department of Energy's renewable energy and
efficiency programs by almost 30 percent. It cut innovative
technologies like wind, solar, and hydroelectric research by 50
percent. The American people clearly do not want to see a policy of
drilling at all costs, and the people of Michigan do not want it
either.
I urge my colleagues to support this very excellent amendment.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished
gentlewoman from Ohio (Mrs. Jones).
Mrs. JONES of Ohio. Mr. Chairman, I would like to thank my colleagues
for
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having the tenacity and the guts to stand up and talk about no drilling
in the Great Lakes.
When I was a little girl studying about geography in the Cleveland
public school system, people used to say to us, how do you remember the
names of the Great Lakes? And they used to tell us to call it
``HOMES,'' Huron, Ontario, Michigan, Erie, and Superior.
So when I think about the Great Lakes, I think about it as home to 20
percent of all the freshwater resources, home to all the species of
fish and wildlife that live around those lakes, home to millions of
Ohio residents, Michigan residents, Minnesota residents, Illinois
residents, and the residents of all the 50 States.
Now, I know that the Army Corps of Engineers holds the Great Lakes in
the public trust, but I also know that this Congress is obligated to
give direction and guidance to the Army Corps of Engineers. By this
amendment, we can give them direction and guidance and say no direct
drilling in the Great Lakes.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Kleczka).
Mr. KLECZKA. Mr. Chairman, let me thank the gentleman from Michigan
for yielding me time.
Mr. Chairman, I rise today in strong support of the amendment to
prohibit the Army Corps from issuing any permits to provide for
directional drilling for either natural gas or oil on the Great Lakes.
Mr. Chairman, I live on a great lake, Lake Michigan. My district
borders the lake. I want to point out to the Members, especially those
opposed, that Lake Michigan alone provides fresh clear drinking water
to about 10 million residents of not only Wisconsin, but also Michigan
and Illinois.
I hear from the opponents saying we need more drilling and we need
more drilling and we need more drilling, but I have yet to hear the
word ``conservation.''
I would like to point out to the Members that in the 22 years that
drilling has occurred on the Great Lakes, a grand total of 439,000
barrels of crude oil has been extracted. Well, if you would support us
and increase the fuel efficiency for automobiles, light trucks, and
SUVs by only a small amount, we could save 1 million barrels of crude
per day in this country, obviating the need to go into fresh water
areas like the Great Lakes, which, as has been said many times, has 20
percent of the world's fresh water, and provide for drilling and
looking for crude on that great body of water.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield 30 seconds to the distinguished
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey), the ranking member of the
Committee on Appropriations.
Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I simply want to take the time to thank the
two gentlemen for offering this amendment. The greatest body of fresh
water in the world is Lake Superior. Lake Michigan is certainly not far
between. The only proper level of risk to such a pristine resource is
zero risk. I congratulate the gentlemen for offering the amendments.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I thank my colleague for his comments and support on
this.
Mr. Chairman, again I want to thank my friend, the gentleman from
Michigan (Mr. Stupak), for his leadership on this and all the
colleagues who have spoken on this issue.
The State of Michigan is a very gorgeous State. We are talking about
more than just Michigan here, we are talking about all the Great Lakes
States and the connecting waterways that touch them.
But I would like to focus in on my State for a second, if I could,
because we have had a history, Mr. Chairman, of being ravaged. If you
go back 300 years ago, John Jacob Astor and his ilk came into our State
and they took the fur and the animals out of our Great Northwest. It
took them about 5 years before they depleted some of the most precious
resources we had, leaving extinct many of the most important mammals in
our Northwest region.
Then, of course, in the next century, after the pine had been
exhausted in Maine, the lumbermen came into the State of Michigan, and
built the country. At one point, the State of Michigan was 17/18ths
trees. We had pine, white pine, as tall as some of the great redwoods
out West today, reaching 200 feet in the air; and they were leveled.
Thanks to Franklin Roosevelt and the CCC and the second growth policy
of replanting during those 9 years during the Great Depression, the CCC
and the 90,000 workers planted, Mr. Chairman, 465 million trees in our
State.
Then the Boston mineral magnates came in, and they took the iron and
the copper that Houghton, Burke, and all the others discovered in our
great State.
I give you this history, because now the attack is on our water
resources. And if you do not believe my word today, all you need to do
is review the record in our State. We have 11,000 inland lakes. Every
one of them is filled with mercury.
I went and got my fishing license the other day. They gave me a
little booklet that said if you are a pregnant woman or 15 years of age
or under, you cannot eat a good amount of the fish in the inland lakes.
The Governor of our State has issued permits to dump raw and
undertreated sewage in our rivers and streams, to the point now where
many of our beaches are closed in our State because of E. coli
bacteria.
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And now he is pursuing a policy of drilling in the Great Lakes,
extending 30 more wells. We do not need that. Oil and water do not mix.
I think it has been made very clear today that this is our most
precious resource. A fifth of the fresh water on the planet is in our
region, and we need to protect it. We need to protect it from
diversion, we need to protect it from drilling, we need to protect it
from being polluted with E. coli bacteria in our rivers and streams and
closing our beaches; we need, as my colleague from Michigan (Mr.
Stupak) has said on numerous occasions, a water policy for our State.
We do not have it. Until we do, we need to do all we can to protect
this most valuable resource.
So I ask my colleagues, please, do not create this picture. For all
of my colleagues who come up into our beautiful State, who travel up
into Michigan, from the South, from the east coast, from the other
parts of the Midwest who come to vacation, they do not come to see
this, they come to swim in our lakes, they come to use our beautiful
sand dunes, they come to fish in our waters, they come to rest on our
beaches, and they come to drink our wonderful water.
So, Mr. Chairman, I would say to my colleagues, thank you for your
support on this amendment. Vote for the amendment that has been
offered, and make sure that we can save one of the most precious
resources that God has given our planet.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may consume to
the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Rogers).
Mr. ROGERS of Michigan. Mr. Chairman, I want to commend my colleague
from Michigan.
This is a solution, though, that is looking for a problem. There is
not one State in the Great Lake States that allows offshore drilling,
not one. There is a moratorium on new angle drilling wells in Michigan.
What are we doing? This is not about protecting the Great Lakes. This
is not about talking about protecting the diversion of our water; not
at all. What we have here is a direction that many in this Chamber I
hope would disagree, including those who may have ambitions to hold
office of Governor. I trust my Governor. I trust the Governors of the
Great Lake States to be in charge of the water of the Great Lake
States.
As a matter of fact, underneath the Great Lakes today, there is about
22,000 barrels of crude oil an hour flowing under the Great Lakes.
There are 550 offshore wells in Canada. This bill addresses none of
that. There are 5 million tons of oil bobbing around on the Great Lakes
every year, 20 spills a year in our Great Lakes. This amendment does
nothing to address any of those issues.
This is not about protecting the Great Lakes; this is about the
Federal Government going into the State of Michigan and telling the
legislators there, you do not know what you are doing. Do we want to
talk about our Great Lakes? You ought to live there in February. You
ought to have to put
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up with the cold weather in the winters and the high degree of snow.
Let us not get confused about what we are doing here.
There are some great protections of our Great Lakes, and I trust
those Governors, and I trust those legislators to do the right thing.
I want to say it again, because this is very important, I heard it 10
times tonight if I heard it once, that somebody is out there trying to
build an oil rig in the Great Lakes, and they are going to do it now,
and President Bush is leading the charge. There is not one State in the
Great Lakes that allows offshore drilling, not one. There is a
moratorium on directional drilling in the State of Michigan today. So
what are we doing?
Mr. Chairman, I do not believe that a bureaucrat in Washington whose
only experience with the UP is a picture in the National Geographic is
going to do anything for the protection of our shoreline, our Great
Lakes. I want people who live there. The gentlewoman from Ohio talked
about home, and that is how we learn the names of those Great Lakes.
Why? Because we live there. We see the water, we see the pollution, we
fought back and took back Lake Erie, and now we can eat the fish. We
could not about 10 or 15 years ago. Why? Because the people of the
Great Lake States stood up. It is nothing that Congress did. It is not
us arguing this issue, it is the people around the Great Lakes. Why?
Because those in California are taking care of California needs in
their districts, and those legislators who are State-elected and
Governors who are elected by all of the people of the Great Lake States
are protecting our Great Lakes.
Mr. Chairman, I have a passion for this stuff as well. We have a real
difference of opinion on what we are doing here. Diversion of water.
There is a bill in this House to empower Congress to decide what
happens on diversion issues in the Great Lakes. The last I checked,
Kansas and Arizona and New Mexico and California could use a bit extra
water, and last I checked, there are more of them than there are of us.
It has no business in this Chamber. It has all the business in the
chambers in our State legislatures back home.
This is a solution that is looking for a problem.
There is this package of bills in, and I have done many of them, one
to encourage the States to protect the diversion of that water, the
States to do it. I have a bill in that continues the ban on offshore
drilling in our Great Lakes and goes after the 550 wells currently in
operation in Canada that are out in the water. Even the industry tells
us they do not want to put a pipe in that fresh water. They do not want
to do it. Anything that touches the water they do not want to be a part
of. We ought to applaud them for it, and we ought to stand up with them
today.
But what the Federal Government can give us, they can take away.
Pretty soon, maybe the faces of this Chamber will change, and maybe
pretty soon the folks in this Chamber will decide that we want oil in
the Great Lakes, and since many of us do not live there, and the
bureaucracies of Washington, D.C., that do not get to visit there much
are going to decide, maybe it is worth it.
The thing that will protect us then, my good esteemed colleagues, is
our State legislators and our Governors of those great States.
Mr. Chairman, I want to urge this body to reject this amendment, to
throw away all the rhetoric about how this is going to pollute the
water and people are rushing to put platform drilling in the Great
Lakes, and they cannot wait for that oil to gush through Lake Superior
and Lake Michigan. That is just absolutely not true.
What I would encourage the gentleman from Michigan to do is to work
with us. Let us take a look at studying how good of shape those pipes
are that are pumping those 22,000 gallons a minute under the Great
Lakes today. Let us get together and tell Canada, get off the water.
Shut down those rigs that are on the water pumping today. What are we
going to do to make sure that those ships bobbing around out there
carrying 5 million tons of oil are safe and do not have 20 spills on
average a year?
Does the gentleman want to do something for the Great Lakes? Let us
be a partner with them and help them solve those problems. Let us not
flex our muscles as the Federal Government and come in and tell those
legislators, you really do not know what you are doing out here. We are
here to help you.
I used to be an FBI agent, and when I would walk into a local police
station and tell them that, I did not get a warm welcome then, and I
can tell you, Congress is not going to get a warm welcome in the State
halls in Lansing.
Mr. Chairman, this is an important issue. It is an extremely
important issue. I grew up on a lake. I want that lake safe for my
kids. I want them to go to Lake Michigan and be able to play in the
water and not have to worry about turning green when they come home. I
want them to be able to eat the fish in Lake Erie. Meaning no
disrespect to this Chamber, I just came from the State legislature, and
I have seen the good things that Congress can do, and I have seen the
bad things that Congress can do, and I served with some very bright
people in that State legislature. I served with a great Governor who
understood that we had to protect our Great Lakes while we have a
moratorium on drilling. I want those people empowered to make a
difference for our Great Lakes.
I would urge this body's strong rejection of the Federal Government
encroaching into the business of Great Lake States.
I applaud all of the Members for getting up here and talking about
their passion for protecting our greatest natural resource there. Well,
let us do it. Let us be a partner with the States. Talk to our State
legislators, talk to our Governors. They will be with us. Talk to the
people and ask them, who do they want to protect their Great Lakes? Is
it the people that get up every morning and eat breakfast there and go
off to work and send their kids off to school every day, 7 days a week;
or is it a bureaucrat that they have never met in the halls of some
bureaucracy over here who is going to make an arbitrary decision on how
it ought to look; or is it a Member from California who stands up and
passionately argues, maybe 40 or 50 years from now, that it is worth
the risk to stick a pipe in fresh water?
Stand up for our Great Lakes today. Stand up for the environment of
Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Minnesota, all of those
speakers' home States. Stand up for it by rejecting the Federal
Government's role of encroaching on our ability back home to protect
our greatest national resource. I would urge this body's rejection of
the Bonior amendment.
Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of the amendment
offered by my colleague Representative Bonior. I urge its passage by
the House.
There should not be any controversy over this issue. The Great Lakes
should not be put at risk just so energy companies can extract a few
weeks' supply of oil. It was with a certain amount of disbelief that I
learned that Governor Engler and the Michigan Department of Natural
Resources had proposed to lift a 1997 moratorium restricting new
development of oil and gas drilling under the Great Lakes. I believe
this proposal is short-sighted.
The Great Lakes are a vital natural resource to Michigan. The Lakes
are our State's crown jewels, and the heart of Michigan's multi-
billion-dollar tourist industry. In addition, the Great Lakes contain
20 percent of the world's fresh water. Why would we ever choose to
place all this at risk? The environmental damage from an oil spill
would be catastrophic.
The amendment before the House today is only common sense. It would
bar any funds in this bill from being used to expand oil and gas
drilling beneath the Great Lakes.
Mr. Chairman, the Great Lakes are an invaluable resource to the
people of Michigan and, indeed, the entire country. The Great Lakes are
also part of the environmental legacy we will leave to our children and
grandchildren. I urge all my colleagues to join me in voting for the
Bonior amendment.
Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered by the
gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Bonior).
The question was taken; and the Chairman announced that the noes
appeared to have it.
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Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, further proceedings
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Bonior)
will be postponed.
Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee do now rise.
The motion was agreed to.
Accordingly, the Committee rose; and the Speaker pro tempore (Mr.
Shimkus) having assumed the chair, Mr. Simpson, Chairman of the
Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union, reported that
that Committee, having had under consideration the bill (H.R. 2311)
making appropriations for energy and water development for the fiscal
year ending September 30, 2002, and for other purposes, had come to no
resolution thereon.
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